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\nanimation\/main #1, from hmccracken, 115 chars, Wed Oct 25 18:18:59 1989
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\nis the main gathering place here at the animation conference and focus of
\ngeneral discussion.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2, from jimomura, 87 chars, Wed Oct 25 19:10:01 1989
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\nWhich is a focus in no direction at all.<\/p>\n

(A mercyless rip-off of “The Point” \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3, from hmccracken, 734 chars, Tue Oct 31 19:28:09 1989
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\nTITLE: Favorites
\nWelcome to the animation conference, everybody. As a topic of conversation,
\nI’d be interested in hearing about some members’ favorite cartoons, bits of
\nanimations, and so forth. I’ve mentioned some of mine over in animation\/
\ncharacters; briefly, I’m a big Disney and Warner Bros. fan, and particularly
\nam alwayd eager to watch cartoons directed by the great Chuck Jones. I’m
\nnot sure what my *single* favorite would be, but two candidates would be
\nWalt Disney’s Pinocchio — which certainly ranks in my top five favorite
\nfilms of all time — and Chuck Jones’s cartoon One Froggy Evening (the one
\nabout a singing frog), which Jay Cocks rightly said came as close to per-
\nfection as any cartoon ever has.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4, from jimomura, 1383 chars, Tue Oct 31 19:53:21 1989
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\nThinking about that question I realize how much my taste has
\nchanged over the years. I there was a major change in my likes
\nwhen I first saw Robotech. It was a major change in my life.
\nPrior to that I guess my favorite animated work was Fantasia.
\nI’d seen that one which slips my mind — Forbidden Planet?
\nI can’t remember it exactly and that was pretty good in its
\nday. Other major shows I liked were the early Johnny Quest
\nseries and McLaren’s works which I used to see on CBC television
\nlate at night.<\/p>\n

Of the comedy works, my favorites were Popeyes I think.
\nI remember the New Years Eve story when Popeye takes out Olive’s
\nmother and when she eats his spinach they clear the floor at
\nthe dance hall. I never liked the wilder, zanier types of
\ncomic works. Things like the more crazy Woody Woodpeckers
\nor Daffy Ducks actually turned me off. I wouldn’t even watch
\nthem when I was a kid.<\/p>\n

I think I can watch just about anything with the Coyote
\nin it.<\/p>\n

Marvel Super Heroes, the very first time they came on
\nTV were a revelation to me also. Krantz Films produced those.
\nThey were simply adaptations from the Marvel Comics comic
\nbooks with little changed. I was amazed at the storylines.
\nI think I started to read Marvel comics *after* seeing those
\nfirst shows.<\/p>\n

I guess no matter how good the artwork it, it’s the story
\nthat ultimately stays with me.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #5, from jimomura, 83 chars, Tue Oct 31 19:53:51 1989
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\nI missed it I guess. Was it any good?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #6, from mwmiller, 212 chars, Tue Oct 31 20:06:02 1989
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\nAnyone ever see Roger Ramjet and his American flyers.
\nThere great little stories with simple animation.
\nThere often quite funny, hard to believe there made for kids.
\nWell, off to take my protien pill.<\/p>\n

Mike<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #7, from jimomura, 119 chars, Tue Oct 31 20:16:55 1989
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\nYeah, yet another Jay Ward Production! Jay Ward produced
\nstuff for teens. Little kids didn’t really watch them.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #8, from hmccracken, 214 chars, Tue Oct 31 22:53:41 1989
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\nRoger Ramjet wasn’t a Jay Ward production, though the mistake is easy enought
\nto make — the style is close to identical. Roger was done by Ken Snyder
\nProductions, who didn’t do any other shows that I’m aware of.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #9, from hmccracken, 260 chars, Tue Oct 31 22:55:02 1989
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\nRoger Ramjet at its best is as good as any Jay Ward cartoons (which is to
\nsay terrific). I especially like the theme song and Gary Owens’s readings
\nas Roger. There are several videotapes of the show out now by Rhino Video,
\nif anybody’s interested.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #10, from jimomura, 81 chars, Tue Oct 31 23:11:45 1989
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\nAmazing! I was sure it was a Jay Ward. I’ll take your word
\nfor it though.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #11, from hshubs, 513 chars, Wed Nov 1 00:14:19 1989
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\nMy favorite character is Bugs Bunny. There didn’t seem to be
\nmuch that he couldn’t get away with.<\/p>\n

My current gripe is that I saw a short a few months ago which
\nhad been cut to ribbons. It was one of the “It’s rabbit season!”
\n“No, it’s duck season.” ones. Poor old Elmer Fudd keeps shooting
\nDaffy, until the end when they determine that it’s Baseball Season,
\nand off Elmer goes into the sunset, shooting a baseball.<\/p>\n

Except for the shots at the baseball, all the shooting was removed.
\nMade no sense any more.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #13, from hshubs, 129 chars, Wed Nov 1 00:15:44 1989
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\nTITLE: Another one
\nThe Martian. You remember? “The Earth is in my way. It’ll have
\nto go.”<\/p>\n

“Instant Monster: just add water”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #14, from switch, 330 chars, Wed Nov 1 00:56:20 1989
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\nIf someone was to ask me to name my favorite cartoons right now, I’d have to ask
\nthem to categorize some, or else the task would be impossible.<\/p>\n

Features: Fantasia, Akira
\nShorts: Duck Amuck, One Froggy Evening, Broken Down Film (this will probably
\nchange after I enter this)<\/p>\n

And that’s a broad bit of segmenting there…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #15, from switch, 467 chars, Wed Nov 1 01:00:46 1989
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\nFunny you should mention that particular one. That was the *first* edited
\nWarner Bros. short I ever saw, back in April of ’85 (the same day I discovered
\n_Robotech_). Sickening. Mind you, not all of them have been similarly
\nhacked and you can still get them on video (sale or rental).<\/p>\n

Besides, if memory serves, Massacheussets gets old Warner Bros. shorts on TV —
\nI remember seeing “Prest-O Change-O” and “The Great Piggy Bank Robbery” on the
\ntube at Noreascon.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #16, from switch, 143 chars, Wed Nov 1 01:02:31 1989
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\nNonono. It’s “I’m afraid I’m going to have to blow [the Earth] up. It’s
\nobstructing my view of Venus.” Gads, I haven’t seen that in *years*<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #17, from sstaton, 573 chars, Wed Nov 1 01:19:04 1989
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\nThe fact is, most of the late 50’s and mid 60’s Warner Bros. material
\nmakes up much of the Saturday morning comics I and many other Bixen now
\nin their late twenties, early thirties, watched in morbid fascination.<\/p>\n

“Where is the space modulator?” still brings tears to my laughter. The
\ncoyote is truly one of the funniest sight gags going. The gold-leaf thin
\ngag line never wore out…they just kept coming at you with more and more
\nbizarre variations on the theme.<\/p>\n

This year has been rather hard on the animation world: we lost both Mel
\nBlanc and Jay Ward. Heavy sigh.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #18, from wablock, 282 chars, Wed Nov 1 02:32:42 1989
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\n“Oh no! That Earth creature has stolen the Alludium Q-38 Explosive Space
\nModulator!”<\/p>\n

It’s been far, far too long since I’ve seen Martin Martian. And another one:
\nall I have to do is sing the phrase “Hello, my honey” and everyone I know will
\ncrack up. Brings back fond memories.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #19, from hmccracken, 500 chars, Wed Nov 1 18:37:09 1989
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\nMassachusetts gets Warner Bros. in every form from cut to ribbons to pristine
\nuncut glory — off the top of my head I can think of local channels 25 and
\n56. CBS, WTBS, and Nickelodeon as sources. That’s not couting TNT, which
\nI believe also plays them, although it’s not available here in Newton.
\nOf course, if the particular cartoon you;re looking for isn’t available,
\nyou can probably find it on one of the umpteen Warner videocassettes. It’s
\nan amazing time to be an animation fan.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #20, from bsoron, 71 chars, Thu Nov 2 00:31:23 1989
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\n“What happened? There should have been an Earth-shattering kaboom!”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #21, from bsoron, 726 chars, Thu Nov 2 00:37:15 1989
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\nTITLE: Bullwinkle Returns to Somerville Theater<\/p>\n

For Boston-area Bixen, if you didn’t get to see the Rocky and
\nBullwinkle Festival at the Somerville Theater a couple weeks ago,
\nit’s coming back starting Saturday. I don’t have any other
\ndetails right now — I just noticed it at the bottom of their ad
\nin today’s Globe — but the Globe Calendar and the Phoenix should
\nboth have info. I did see it and didn’t stop laughing; even the
\nvintage early-Sixties commercials they showed brought back memories.
\nIt also includes the very first Peabody and Sherman, a few Dudley
\nDo-Rights, and (believe it or not) a couple clunkers that just
\ncouldn’t end fast enough. All of the regular R&B features are
\nincluded. A great time.<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #22, from hmccracken, 165 chars, Thu Nov 2 18:12:42 1989
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\nI’m told that the Bullwinkle festival will be all new stuff that
\nwasn’t shown in the first one a few weeks ago. (Great — I’ll
\nhave reason to go again.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #23, from switch, 76 chars, Thu Nov 2 20:12:50 1989
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\nHmmmn. Hope it makes it up here. The first Bullwinkle fest was hilarious.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #24, from ewhac, 219 chars, Thu Nov 2 23:34:35 1989
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\n“Shoot me again! I enjoy it! I like the smell of burnt feathers!
\nAnd gunpowder! And cordite!!! I’m an elk. Shoot me! It’s elk season!!
\nI’m a fiddler crab! Why don’t you shoot me??!! It’s fiddler crab season!!”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #25, from ewhac, 32 chars, Thu Nov 2 23:36:04 1989
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\n“You’re making me very angry.”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #26, from hshubs, 22 chars, Thu Nov 2 23:39:49 1989
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\nYep, that’s the one.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #27, from hshubs, 24 chars, Thu Nov 2 23:41:01 1989
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\n“Werry angry, indeed!”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #28, from jshook, 1254 chars, Fri Nov 3 00:48:24 1989
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\nTITLE: Boston-area Showing of Rare Zeman Films
\nThose of you who live in the Boston area have an extremely rare
\nopportunity to see the seldom-shown work of Czechoslovakian animator
\nKarel Zeman. The screenings will be held at the Carpenter Center
\nfor the Visual Arts at Harvard University (Harvard Square T stop
\non the red line). Carpenter Center is the strange-looking
\nbuilding on Quincy street a few blocks east of Harvard Square. I
\nbelive the admission charge is $3.00.<\/p>\n

Friday Nov 3
\n7:00 PM Inspiration (1949)–Zeman’s first color film using blown
\nglass figures
\nAn Invention for Destruction (1958)–Jules Vernesque film
\ncombining live action
\nand animation<\/p>\n

9:00 PM Karel Zeman to Children (1981)–scenes from his films and
\n‘how-to’ segments
\nBaron Munchausen (1961)–Same literary source as recent
\nGilliam film featuring experimental
\nand expressive use of color<\/p>\n

Saturday Nov 4
\n7:00 PM Karel Zeman to Children
\nBaron Munchausen<\/p>\n

9:00 PM Inspiration
\nAn Invention for Destruction<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #29, from hmccracken, 154 chars, Sun Nov 5 11:35:55 1989
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\nTITLE: Boston area BIXen…
\nshould investigate today’s Boston Globe book section for Hugh Kenner’s fine
\nreview of Chuck Jones’s autiobiography.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #30, from hshubs, 85 chars, Sun Nov 5 14:05:58 1989
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\nyou mean, I’ve got to go out and get a paper?<\/p>\n

time to get dressed, I guess… :-,<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #31, from hkenner, 55 chars, Sun Nov 5 17:31:03 1989
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\nWell, thanks for word that it’s in print at last!
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #32, from hkenner, 726 chars, Sun Nov 5 17:39:58 1989
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\nTITLE: Grim Natwick
\nI learned from Chuck Jones 10 days ago that Grim Natwick–creator of
\nBetty Boop and animator of Snow White Herself–is 100 years old and
\nstill drawing. He specialized in leggy women. Famous tour de force,
\na Snow White sequence in which SW is viewed from an oblique high
\nangle, running down a spiral staircase, round & round. Thisa defeats
\nthe normal animator \/ inbetweener process, where the inbetweens simply
\nmake the small changes (leg & arm positions) that transform the opening
\ndrawing into the closing one. Not only did SW get smaller with every
\nstep (because receding from the spectator’s viewpoint), she *turned* a
\nlittle bit in every frame. Natwick simply did the whole thing single-
\nhanded.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #33, from hkenner, 191 chars, Sun Nov 5 17:41:03 1989
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\nTITLE: Natwick again
\nChuck also credits Natwick with the statement that a competent animator
\nhas a “vocabulary” of some 3,000 things he can do. Example–animate a
\ntrotting horse, side view.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #34, from hmccracken, 689 chars, Sun Nov 5 17:51:58 1989
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\nAh, Grim Natwick. His career is incredible both for its excellence
\nand the fact that it has spanned (I believe) more than seventy years
\nand virtually every major studio. (I think the last film he worked on
\nas an animator was Richard Williams’s Raggedy Ann and Andy — which he
\ndid about fifteen years ago at an already very advanced age. But
\nsince he’s been teaching and writing since then, his career in the
\nbusiness has clearly continued.)
\nA friend of mine, Shamus Culhane, has had a Natwick-like career that
\nstarted in the silent era and involved stops at all the major studios.
\nI’m extremely impressed by it, but Natwick was animating when Shamus was
\nin kneepants.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #35, from sharonfisher, 70 chars, Tue Nov 7 12:20:13 1989
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\nActually, it’s “There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering kaboom.”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #36, from hkenner, 276 chars, Tue Nov 7 12:28:06 1989
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\nTITLE: Chuck Jones
\n…is nicely interviewed in today’s *New York Times*, p. C-17. Dig the
\nbanter about the Anti-Destination League, which is what creates traffic
\njames when you’re in a taxi. CJ could not understand a reporter for
\nthe Times not knowing about that. …
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #37, from hmccracken, 144 chars, Tue Nov 7 18:07:53 1989
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\n…And I am told that Mr. Jones is also prominently featured in this week’s
\nPeople Magazine, although I haven’t seen the article yet.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #38, from hkenner, 807 chars, Tue Nov 7 19:33:05 1989
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\nThanks for the tip. …<\/p>\n

I forget if I’ve already posted this; if so pardon the repetition:<\/p>\n

One of CJ’s most eloquent topics is the *weight* of the character,
\na thing of which the animator requires a keen sense. Heavy quadru-
\npeds walk with less vertical displacement of the spine (& bipeds,
\nof the head) than do light ones. Exception: a cat “is built light
\nbut walks heavy.” Once alerted to that, your eyes are sharper. Thus
\nin the Dino de L. King Kong II it was obvious which Kongs were a man
\nin a monkey-suit, because his head bounced like a 170-pounder’s. Dead
\ngive-away. Willis O’Brien, who animated the original Kong with latex
\nmodels, understood the principle perfectly. His Kong is always
\nMONSTROUSLY heavy. [For more on Kong, see “Miltonic Monkey” in my
\nbook MAZES. Advt. TINAR.]
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #39, from hmccracken, 508 chars, Tue Nov 7 20:13:14 1989
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\nYes, the effective animation of weight is both very important and very
\ndifficult — one of the many problems with limited TV animation is that
\nthis isn’t taken into consideration (and obviously can’t be, given
\ntime and monetary contraints).
\nProbably the the animator who mastered animating **very heavy** characters
\nbest was the great Disney artist Bill Tytla, responsible for the evil
\npuppeteer Stromboli in Pinocchio and winged demon in the “Night on Bald
\nMountain” segment of Fantasia.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #40, from sharonfisher, 111 chars, Tue Nov 7 20:28:11 1989
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\nMel Blanc’s death probably scared them and they want to make sure they get
\ninterviews with him before he dies.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #41, from jimomura, 73 chars, Tue Nov 7 21:05:58 1989
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\nNope. You didn’t mention it before. It’s a very important matter.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #42, from switch, 209 chars, Wed Nov 8 00:25:43 1989
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\nAnd here’s a bit of trivia: What’s the name of that demon in “Night on
\nBald Mountain”? I seem to remember reading the name somewhere as being
\n‘Chernobog’, but don’t remember where and haven’t seen it since.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #43, from jshook, 48 chars, Wed Nov 8 00:51:14 1989
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\nAlmost right…actually it was “Chernobyl”….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #44, from switch, 44 chars, Wed Nov 8 12:27:54 1989
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\nNah… he’s gotta be kidding.<\/p>\n

Aren’t you?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #45, from hmccracken, 357 chars, Wed Nov 8 21:25:16 1989
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\nTITLE: Just finished reading the People Magazine story on Chuck Jones…
\nand it’s first rate. Author Pope Brock clearly knows what he’s talking
\nabout, and manages to create a general-interest article that still has
\nlots of meat in it. Pick this up next time you’re at the grocery store,
\neven if you’re not a regular reader of People (I’m not).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #46, from hkenner, 17 chars, Wed Nov 8 21:57:31 1989
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\nI confirm. –HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #47, from morganfox, 33 chars, Wed Nov 8 22:13:21 1989
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\nTis true, he is there in People.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #48, from morganfox, 76 chars, Wed Nov 8 22:15:44 1989
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\nAnyone remember “Astroboy” or “Col. Bleep”? Watched those on tv, loved it.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #49, from jimomura, 104 chars, Thu Nov 9 09:14:53 1989
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\nI don’t think I ever saw “Col. Bleep”. I just started watching
\n“Astroboy” last year more or less.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #50, from switch, 103 chars, Thu Nov 9 10:05:26 1989
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\nI’ve only glimpsed _Astro Boy_. _Col. Bleep_ sounds familiar, but I don’t
\nremember anything specific.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #51, from dquick, 75 chars, Thu Nov 9 23:44:52 1989
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\nWow, “Astroboy”! I don’t think I’ve seen that since the 60’s.<\/p>\n

Dave Quick<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #52, from hkenner, 419 chars, Fri Nov 10 13:21:55 1989
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\nTITLE: Duck Amuck Redux
\nChuck Jones called from Washington yesterday to explain how his schedule
\nhad gotten so congested he couldn’t make it to Baltimore after all.<\/p>\n

I asked about Duck Amuck Redux. It will be a theater (not TV) film.
\nHe is presently storyboarding. That is all his present contract calls
\nfor. But, says he, if he doesn’t get to direct as well, the storyboards
\nwill be 3 times as expensive. ….
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #53, from hmccracken, 56 chars, Fri Nov 10 18:46:44 1989
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\nA scoop! Thanks for the information, Hugh.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #54, from hmccracken, 194 chars, Sat Nov 11 11:20:01 1989
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\nTITLE: Program Note
\nFor those that receive the Disney Channel and are interested in such
\nthings, there will be a special on the making of The Little Mermaid
\ntonight at 8:30 e.s.t. — Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #55, from hmccracken, 259 chars, Sat Nov 11 21:07:48 1989
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\nJust watched the Little Mermaid special, which had lots of footage from the
\nfilm. TINAR (since I haven’t seen the film yet), but it looks neat.
\nVery visually inventive, with songs I’m already humming from having heard
\nonly bits and pieces of. — Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #57, from jenn, 564 chars, Sat Nov 11 21:26:26 1989
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\nThe ‘demon’ you refer to in Fantasia’s Night on Bald Moutnains
\n(er, mountain) is supposed to be Satan. (If Chernobog is
\na term for Satan, then I guess that’s right. I don’t know
\nevery term for Satan, in every language…)
\nSatan is supposed to be releasing the spirits and witches ofr
\n(er, for) their ‘Sabbath’. Another bit of trivia about
\nthat sequence in Fantasia: The Censors made the animators
\nput bras on the Centaurs. Well, if you look at
\nthe spirits that Satan crushes in his hand, you’ll notice
\nthat they’re naked women….that one got by the censors!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #58, from jimomura, 578 chars, Sun Nov 12 01:20:06 1989
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\nTITLE: Gone With the Wind
\nThe relationship between animation and special effects is always
\nvery tight. They are the same art under different names and sometimes
\nwith different goals. Tonight I saw a special on the making of Gone
\nWith the Wind and though I’d heard the story before, it was amazing
\nto see all the work done in special effects. There was so *little*
\nthat was actually real beyond the costumes and a few indoor sets
\nthat it makes something like Dune or an Indiana Jones movie which
\nhave such great reputations for special effects seem really very
\nordinary.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #59, from richard.pini, 1236 chars, Mon Nov 13 08:44:42 1989
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\nGhod! Colonel Bleep! I haven’t heard from the Colonel in more years than
\nI care to admit. “Tick tick tick BLEEP tick tick tick BLEEP…” Zero-Zero
\nIsland. Scratch and Squeak. What about the Japanese cartoons they brought
\nover before they started pandering to Western tastes with all the robot
\nstuff – things like Kimba and Eighth Man and Gigantor (I’m trying to
\nremember the Japanese names but it’s a cold Monday morning and nothing’s
\nworking yet). And while we’re on it, someone mentioned tho old Fleisher
\nPopeye cartoons. Don’t forget the 17 great Superman cartoons that that studio
\ndid. Some were only good, but some were marvelously done – and contained some
\nfine humor as well. One of my favorite bits is in “The Bulleteers” where
\nthe bullet car is zeroing in on Superman, he gives it a sterling right cross
\nupside the headlights and it takes off at a 90 degree angle – at 200 mph.
\nJellied crooks, anyone? Oh, and the bit in the first cartoon where he hauls
\nup and straightens the falling building by grabbing the flagpole at the top.
\nWonderful physics! Used to watch them on WPIX Channel 11 out of New York for
\nyears in black and white because that’s the TV we had. Only learned a few
\nyears ago that many of them were in color.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #60, from richard.pini, 595 chars, Mon Nov 13 08:49:33 1989
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\nThe demon’s name is in fact Chernobog – now, all I have to is recall the
\nsource of that, but I will stake a pair of tickets to the elves’ next orgy
\nthat that is a fact. It may be in the big “Fantasia” book that came out in
\nthe late 1940s which was reissued just a few years ago. (BTW, a wonderful
\ncoffee table book – it’s probably available at discount any more.) And yes,
\nthere are naked lady demons in that segment, nipples and all. Makes the fact
\nthat the studio had to clean up the naked lady centaurettes in the “Pastoral”
\nsegment all the more glaring. Where’s Bakshi when we need him?! \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #61, from jimomura, 330 chars, Mon Nov 13 09:30:45 1989
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\nKimba was another series I missed. I saw a couple of episodes for
\nthe first time this year! Like most other Tezuka works it’s the sort
\nof series I would have liked to have grown up with. I still haven’t
\nseen an episode of Eighth Man or Gigantor at all, nor the Fleisher
\nSuperman episodes. I feel culturally deprived.
\n\ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #62, from richard.pini, 977 chars, Mon Nov 13 19:07:06 1989
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\nI don’t know if this properly belongs in the ‘sources’ topic; if it does I
\nhope someone will put it there. I just received something called “The Whole
\nToon Catalog” and it is 48 pages of available-for-purchase videotapes of
\nnothing but animation. Now be advised that this is legally purchasable stuff;
\nnone of it is bootleg (which we all know exists in quantity). But it does
\nrun from “Abel’s Island” to “Zoom the White Dolphin” (neither of which I’ve
\never heard of); there’s a load of Beany and Cecil stuff, Betty Boop, Bugs
\nBunny (uncut), lots and lots of collections of esoteric stuff. It’s not
\nexhaustive; it doesn’t have, for example, the Asterix movies – but it is a
\ngood source for lots of titles. Just the thing for culturally deprived
\nviewers! Write to:
\nWhole Toon Access
\n4710 University Way N.E.
\nSeattle, WA 98105 (phone) 206-391-8747
\nBTW, they will ship VHS if you don’t tell them you want Beta, but apparently
\nthey will get Beta if you request it.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #63, from jstivaletta, 676 chars, Mon Nov 13 21:19:03 1989
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\nTITLE: Ub Iwerks Cartoons
\nA few years ago I bought two tapes containing 13 cartoons from Ub Iwerks.
\n“The Brave Tin Soldier”, “Happy Days”, “Fiddlesticks”, “Jack and the
\nBeanstalk”, “The Headless Horseman”, “The Little Red Hen”, “Summertime”,
\n“Tom Thumb”, “Jack Frost”, “Alladin and the Wonderful Lamp”, “Ali Baba”,
\n“Sinbad” and “Spooks”.<\/p>\n

The following is a quote from “The World Encyclopedia of Cartoons”:
\n“Iwerks’s greatest contributation to the art of animation came the following
\nyear when he designed and developed the character Mickey Mouse (his work on
\n“Plane Crazy” was especially decisive). He also defined (and refined) the
\nconcept of the early Silly Symphonies.”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #64, from hmccracken, 781 chars, Mon Nov 13 22:02:06 1989
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\nYup. Ub Iwerks was certainly the first great animator to work with Walt
\nDisney. (He has sometimes been called Mickey Mouse’s true creator; although
\nthat seems over-compensation, he did design the mouse and animate his first
\nfilms.) He was lured away from the Disney studio by backers who set up
\nhis own studio for him, but he was no businessman (or storyman), and the
\nstudio lasted only a few years, making cartoons that were pleasant but
\nno competition for Disney’s work as far as their artistic merits went.
\nHis “star” character was Flip the Frog.
\nAfter his studio folded, Iwerks returned to Disney’s, where he did
\nsome fine special effects work for many years, including work for
\nMary Poppins and (off the Disney lot) Hitchcock’s The Birds. He died in
\n1971.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #65, from hmccracken, 460 chars, Mon Nov 13 22:09:00 1989
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\nTITLE: Jerry Beck…
\nAnimation expert, co-author of Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies, and head of
\nStreamline Pictures, a distributor of Japanese animation in the U.S., will
\nbe speaking at the University of Southern California’s Norris Hall on December
\n1st at 3 p.m. on the topic of Japanese animation. His presentation will
\ninclude 35mm and 16mm films. I can get more information on this if anybody’s
\ninterested, or you might try contacting U.S.C.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #66, from jshook, 265 chars, Mon Nov 13 23:04:10 1989
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\nThe Fleisher Supermans are gems–they have a sort of ’40s
\nfilm noir look (though they’re in color) and are very stylised
\ngraphically. The movement is quite limited but very effective
\nuse is made of unusual lighting and camera angles. They are very
\nfast-paced.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #67, from jshook, 187 chars, Mon Nov 13 23:06:30 1989
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\n“Abel’s Island” was a made-for-TV animation done by the
\nMichael Sporn studio a few years ago (a friend of mine
\nworked on it). It is based on a children’s book. I have
\nnever seen it.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #68, from jshook, 119 chars, Mon Nov 13 23:07:57 1989
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\nThe “Fantasia” book that dates from the ’40s and the book published
\na few years ago are different (I have them both).<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #69, from jimomura, 406 chars, Mon Nov 13 23:11:21 1989
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\nI should also note that Osamu Tezuka was just starting work on a
\nnew set of “Jungle Taitei” (Kimba the Lion, Leo the Lion) and had finished
\ndirecting something like 5 episodes when he died this year. These are,
\nof course, in colour. I have no idea what happened after he died.
\nNo doubt, if he had enough done on storyboard, they’d probably get
\nsomeone else to finish it up. But it’s hard to guess.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #70, from davemackey, 500 chars, Tue Nov 14 00:38:43 1989
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\nTITLE: An introduction
\nHi, Folks…
\nThis seems like a good place to introduce myself. My name’s Dave
\nMackey, and I am a cartoonaholic. I looked far and wide for places to find
\nhelp. Brother McCracken found me in the gutter, and told me to clean myself
\nup and come here. My strengths are in the classic theatrical animation of
\nthe golden age, particularly Warner Bros. I’ll check in as often as I can and
\nif I can be of some help, so be it. See you all later.
\ndavemackey<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #71, from switch, 493 chars, Tue Nov 14 11:43:22 1989
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\nHi Richard! Nice to see you’ve joined us!<\/p>\n

The Fleischer Supermans are available on tape — I’ve noticed a number of
\ndifferent companies released them, but only one has all seventeen (plus an
\nold live-action ep thrown in) on the same tape. If you’d like, I’ll see if
\nI can find the name of the distributor.<\/p>\n

Side note: IMHO, Japanese animation didn’t start pandering to Western tastes –
\nrobots are hardly an exclusively Western fascination, and there are a lot of
\nnn-robot animations there.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #72, from switch, 216 chars, Tue Nov 14 11:45:21 1989
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\nThe studio did finish it up, and I think it’s either already been released, or
\nit’s going to be by the end of the year. I’d have to look at the latest
\nissue of NewType, where they’ve been covering it for a while…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #73, from switch, 47 chars, Tue Nov 14 11:47:05 1989
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\nAny way to get transcripts of that discussion?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #74, from swestrup, 304 chars, Tue Nov 14 18:09:29 1989
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\nZoom the dolphin plays semi-regularly here in Montreal, but in French. It
\nstars a dolphin, a sloth, and a little girl with the huge eyes that seem to
\ncharacterize japanese animation. I don’t think it is japanese though. If I
\nremember correctly (and I may well not), the closing titles were in dutch.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #75, from richard.pini, 161 chars, Tue Nov 14 21:12:04 1989
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\nOK, I was going from memory – I have them both as well but they are buried
\nsomewhere in a *big* pile of books that sorely needs sorting. When I get
\ncaught up…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #76, from richard.pini, 516 chars, Tue Nov 14 21:16:17 1989
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\nI’ve seen ads for the 17 Supermans on one tape; don’t know about them. The
\nset I have is on two tapes; I think I got them from a fellow name of Rex
\nMiller, advertised in the Comics Buyer’s Guide. The quality is superb. The
\ncomment about Westernization comes from the observation that the animation
\nthat is coming over here “in bulk” is, IMHO, substantially watered down
\ncompared to the animation that would never make it on American TV. We’ve got
\na long way to go before we manage something like Dagger of Kamui…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #77, from switch, 267 chars, Wed Nov 15 00:37:25 1989
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\nOh! I thought in your original message you were referring to the original
\nJapanese animations as pandering to Western tastes. What you refer to is more
\na matter of the Americans, er, “modifying” the original stuff to make it better
\nsuit their perceived audience…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #78, from wablock, 241 chars, Wed Nov 15 00:49:48 1989
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\nAn animation nut of a friend and I would like to thank you for that source!
\nTwo catalogs are on their way, although the guy at the company was a little
\nsurprised at the answer to his question of “Where did you hear about us?”<\/p>\n

Thanks again!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #79, from hshubs, 48 chars, Wed Nov 15 08:38:59 1989
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\nAre we talking about censorship here, or what?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #80, from jimomura, 96 chars, Wed Nov 15 09:15:23 1989
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\nOnly in part. You don’t know about the editing of “Battle of the
\nPlanets” and “Robotech”?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #81, from switch, 1157 chars, Wed Nov 15 11:57:09 1989
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\nYes and no. In many cases, when a Japanese animation is brought to the States
\n(like _Macross_ as part of _Robotech_, or _Science Ninja Team Gatchaman_ as
\n_Battle of the Planets_), the overly violent and\/or sexual content gets removed.
\nThat can be construed as censorship, but considering our TV standards are a bit
\ndifferent, I might have to let that pass. OTOH, there are some instances, like
\n_Nausicaa_, where movies are edited down from two to one and a half hours. The
\nreasoning behind that (it seems – I have never seen this confirmed) is that
\npeople can only stand to watch feature-length animations for an hour and a half
\n(‘people’ in this case supposedly meaning ‘children’). In this case, usually
\nwhat gets edited out are non-action scenes (i.e. characterization).<\/p>\n

These are the constants. It’s hard to think of an anime that didn’t have these
\ntwo facets edited when brought over to the States. Now, in other cases, the
\nperson bringing it over has no thought for continuity at all, and is content
\nto hack and put together something to fit *his own* story — like _Captain
\nHarlock and the Queen of a Thousand Years_ and _Robotech the Movie_.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #82, from richard.pini, 181 chars, Wed Nov 15 17:53:22 1989
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\nWell, I’m still not certain that they’re (the Japanese companies) not doing
\nstuff these days with an eye toward this market, but that may simply be
\ncynicism talking. Who can say…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #83, from jimomura, 671 chars, Wed Nov 15 20:19:46 1989
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\nActually, it’s not that hard to say who is and who isn’t aiming ath
\nthe North American export market. They have 4 major *fan* magazines
\nin Japan with interviews with artists, producers, directors, actors,
\nsingers and just about everybody and on just about every topic. These
\nguys have *star* status there. Mostly the North American market is
\nan after thought. The aim is to have a Prime Time hit or a Japanese
\nSaturday morning hit. Sunday morning is not a good time slot for
\nthem. Things like Ranma 1\/2 run in the dinnertime to evening slots
\nfairly often.<\/p>\n

The theatrical productions likewise, and we don’t even *have* an
\nOVA market in North America yet.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #84, from switch, 124 chars, Thu Nov 16 00:40:34 1989
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\nRight.<\/p>\n

Most people tend to forget that what we (even the anime fans) see is but a
\nsmall fraction of what’s actually there.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #85, from ewhac, 197 chars, Fri Nov 17 04:56:24 1989
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\nSo far, I haven’t seen any mention of Rankin-Bass (is that right?)
\nworks. If I’m not mistaken, they did “Frosty The Snowman”, which gets
\nbroadcast once a year ’round Christmas time.<\/p>\n

Schwab<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #86, from richard.pini, 680 chars, Fri Nov 17 09:01:47 1989
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\nOf course, they did the “Parts One and Three” of the Great Lord of the Rings
\nDebacle (Bakshi having done Part Two as 1\/2 of a real movie) by animating
\nfirst “The Hobbit” and then “The Rest of the Ring Cycle” both as TV specials.
\nOy, the stories about that little mess! \ud83d\ude42
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\nanimation\/main #87, from sharonfisher, 279 chars, Fri Nov 17 12:42:47 1989
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\nWe rented a bunch of cartoon videos recently and I saw my first Ub Iwerks
\nstuff. I had never heard of him. I believe the tape was something like
\n“surreal cartoons.” Anyway, he certainly had a distinctive style; I could
\npick out his stuff after watching just a couple of them.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #88, from sharonfisher, 213 chars, Fri Nov 17 12:45:06 1989
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\nI love Thundercats. Silverhawks just seemed like a ripoff of it; same
\nthing, different appearances.
\nAnybody else watch BraveStarr? I think the people doing it are trying
\nto make a parody of a cartoon series…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #89, from rgswartz, 157 chars, Fri Nov 17 16:10:50 1989
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\n>Lord of the Rings pt3<\/p>\n

Even though I thought the movie (pt2?) was pretty weak I would
\nstill like to see the conclusion.
\nIs it (or pt2) on videotape????????<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #90, from richard.pini, 210 chars, Fri Nov 17 17:31:30 1989
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\nThey had a success with Thundercats. Nothing succeeds like excess, ergo,
\nSilverhawks, which did not do well at all. You’re right about Bravestarr,
\nthough how one can parody that which is already a parody… \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #91, from richard.pini, 982 chars, Fri Nov 17 17:37:20 1989
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\nLord of the Rings (the Bakshi film which takes us from the beginning of the
\nfirst Rings book – not The Hobbit – up to the approach to Mount Doom) is on
\nvidoetape and has been for some time; it’s readily available for rental here
\nand, I suspect, all over. The two Rankin Bass films – The Hobbit and what us
\ner, is essentially the second half of the Ring trilogy, I don’t know. As I
\nsaid, they were made-for-TV whereas the Bakshi film was a theatrical release.
\nI recorded them off the air when first broadcast. Between the two studios,
\none can see all of Tolkien’s epic, however de-epic-ified. Also note that
\nthe ending that you’ll see on the video of LoTR is not the one that was
\noriginally shown in the theatres. Seems that the original ending, a freeze
\nframe of Frodo and Gollum starting to ascend Mt. Doom was judged to be too
\nmuch of a non-ending, so for later releases things were switched so that the
\nbig battle and its attendant victory end the movie. Neither is satisfying.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #92, from rgswartz, 165 chars, Fri Nov 17 17:42:23 1989
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\ni remember i wasn’t satisfied when i saw it in the theater. it was
\na hell of a lot weaker than Wizards for instance.
\nbut i’d still like to so it.
\noh well…
\n-rich-<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #93, from davemackey, 252 chars, Fri Nov 17 19:32:39 1989
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\nArthur Rankin, Jr. and Jules Bass have been responsible for a number of fine
\nshows and specials throughout the year that have become family classics. They
\nare worthy of further mention, and you do have a good point.
\nDave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #94, from davemackey, 602 chars, Fri Nov 17 19:37:23 1989
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\nIwerks had a couple of distinct styles. His early 30’s “Flip The Frog” cartoons
\nwere more Disney-inspired than anything (as most early-30’s cartoons were)
\nbut when he did his middle-30’s color stuff, he veered off in his own unique
\ndirection. When people assimilate the cartoons of the 30’s and their style,
\nit’s probably Iwerks’ color stuff they’re thinking about.
\nUb’s studio fell on hard times in the mid-30’s and he accepted subcontract
\nwork from Leon Schlesinger (two Porky Pig cartoons) and Charles Mintz before
\ngoing back to Disney as an effects specialist.
\nDave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #95, from davemackey, 236 chars, Fri Nov 17 19:39:04 1989
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\nBravestarr was the last series produced by Filmation. As far as I know it
\nwas being done in deadly earnest, but the effect sort of reminded me of the old
\nWestworld movies — Western with parodic edge.
\nDave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #96, from hmccracken, 349 chars, Fri Nov 17 21:50:39 1989
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\nSpeaking of Elfquest and animation, Richard, it’s been a while since I heard
\nanything about any plans to animate the series — is anything going on in
\nthat area right now? (And I should profess my admiration for your and
\nWendy’s willingness to put off the prospect of animation rather than let
\na studio wreak havoc with your creation.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #97, from richard.pini, 107 chars, Fri Nov 17 22:43:30 1989
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\nWizards was Bakshi’s test piece for LoTR – and you’re right. It stands a lot
\nbetter on its own than Rings.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #98, from richard.pini, 676 chars, Fri Nov 17 22:49:11 1989
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\nYeah, well… Not that we’re any less idealistic now than we were then, but
\nI’d have to say in all honesty that we are capable of seeing more solutions
\nto a given problem than we were able to see back then (and we’re talking, what,
\nanywhere from 2-6 years ago). Where things are now is that a producer has
\nthe stories and is looking to adapt them to video, the plan being first to
\nease a wedge into viewers’ perceptions that way, and then use that wedge to
\ntry for something more ambitious. All the while we’re keeping up the publishing
\nside of things with new stories, and, one hopes, after a while the combined
\nmomentum reaches a self-sustaining point. It’s a plan, anyway.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #99, from switch, 194 chars, Fri Nov 17 23:28:05 1989
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\nPassing through New York some time ago, I saw _Return of the King_ on
\nvideotape. Never got a chance to take down the name of the distributor (or,
\nfor that matter, check if the tape was legit).<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #100, from switch, 60 chars, Fri Nov 17 23:29:22 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 99.
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\nOh, yes, and _The Hobbit_ is definitely available on video.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #101, from sstaton, 76 chars, Sat Nov 18 00:01:15 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 61.
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\nI watched _Kimba_ in L.A. in 1969. It was a kind of “Born Free” animation.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #102, from rgswartz, 21 chars, Sat Nov 18 05:36:04 1989
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\nthere’s hope then…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #103, from richard.pini, 412 chars, Sat Nov 18 09:54:54 1989
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\nIf memory serves, it was probably legitimate. There’s very little percentage
\nin a video store dealing in bootleg tapes (unlike some vendors at SF and\/or
\ncomics conventions who will happily sell you illegal copies of “Heavy Metal”
\nor “Rocky Horror” – the preceding opinion was brought to you by someone who
\nis *very* copyright conscious). “Return” would, of course, be the Rankin-
\nBass end of the cycle TV movie.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #104, from switch, 114 chars, Sat Nov 18 22:30:24 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 103.
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\nThere may be little *percentage* of video stores\/clubs that deal in
\nbootlegs, but there are still quite a few…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #108, from hmccracken, 239 chars, Sun Nov 19 23:31:10 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 105.
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\nThanks for uploading your fine review of Chuck Jones’s book, Hugh; I enjoyed
\nreading it when it came out and enjoyed re-reading it just now. I think its
\nlength qualifies it for the long.messages topic, and I’ve moved it there.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #109, from hmccracken, 747 chars, Wed Nov 22 18:08:19 1989
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\nTITLE: Notable quote
\n“It’s a neverending process the way they do pictures now. You might
\nthink that the story is all locked down. but nothing really is. If there’s
\nsomething that doesn’t work, they’ll throw it out and reboard it all
\nover again…It’s much more of a live-action approach, I think. They
\nthink in therms of shooting rations, how much stuff can be done over,
\nrewrites at the very last minute. It’s very different from traditional
\ncartoon-making.”
\n— Animator Mark Kausler on animating for Disney (specifically on
\nRollercoaster Rabbit, the upcoming Roger Rabbit short). The quote is
\ndrawn from an interview I did while researching an article on the Disney
\nFlorida studios for the next issue of my magazine, Animato.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #110, from davemackey, 122 chars, Wed Nov 22 20:23:58 1989
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\nHarry–
\nIs Kausler down in Florida now, and is he still associated
\nwith Warner Bros.?
\n_–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #111, from hmccracken, 400 chars, Wed Nov 22 22:02:14 1989
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\nMark was down in Florida for the purpose of working on Rollercoaster Rabbit
\n(he worked on both Who Framed Roger Rabbit and Tummy Trouble as a stoyboard
\nartist and animator and is therefore a Roger Rabbit expert). If the film
\nfinished animation on schedule he’s probably left again fo L.A. He moves
\naround a lot from studio to studio and may be working for Warners now for
\nall I know. — Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #112, from hmccracken, 391 chars, Fri Nov 24 23:16:19 1989
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\nAnd I should also mention that besides being a fine animator, Mark Kausler
\nis one of the two or three people with some claim to being the most
\nknowledgable person in the world on the topic of American animated films.
\n(His collection of films and related materials is fabled and has been
\ndrawn on by practically every book on the topic of animation written in
\nthe last ten years.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #113, from davemackey, 366 chars, Sat Nov 25 08:25:34 1989
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\nIt’s nice that some of today’s animators are grounded in the classics, an
\nadvantage their forebears never had. For example, Greg Ford draws on his years
\nas a pioneer cartoon buff as writer\/director for WB, which helps because he
\ncould pick the classics apart and find out what made them tick and apply some of
\nthat to his own work.
\nDave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #114, from richard.pini, 278 chars, Sat Nov 25 10:54:53 1989
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\nAnd people wonder why so much of animation today is substandard. When will these
\nyahoos rediscover the fact that you’ve got to *start* with a story before you
\nput pencil to paper? Frankenstein patchwork shows on the screen! *pant, pant*
\nOK, I hadda get that out of my system…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #115, from hmccracken, 1051 chars, Sat Nov 25 11:08:43 1989
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\nTrue. But it has also been argued (with, in some case, justification) that
\ntoday’s animators are **too** steeped in animation history, and not much
\nsteeped in any other kind of art or literature that might help them
\nbroaden their horizons. (The Bakshi Mighty Mouse cartoons have been brought
\nup as an example of this, but perhaps a better and more current one is some
\nof the character design in The Little Mermaid, drawn extremely closely from
\nFantasia, Cinderella, and even Disney’s version of Peter and the Wolf.
\nDon Bluth does this as well — the main character in his upcoming cartoon
\nRockadoodle is a dead-ringer for the Alan-a-Dale Rooster from Disney’s
\nRobin Hood, down to the guitar.)
\nNone of the above refers in any way to Mark Kausler himself, BTW;
\nto hear him do what very, very few animation scholars can — identify and
\ncritique animation sequences based on the work of the actual animator —
\nis an education and a delight. And the few pieces of writing he’s done,
\nincluding some reviews for Funnyworld, were terrific.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #116, from jimomura, 532 chars, Sat Nov 25 21:46:31 1989
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\nIt’s not necessarily a bad way to work. Though I agree that good
\nstories are a big problem. But the problem with the stories are that
\nthe only target audience for North American audiences is the little
\nkiddies and women’s social tea party set. Here, you can record this
\nphrase and keep in on a microcassette and play it for people whenever
\nyou see an “animated special” on TV or North American targetted theatre
\nanimation movie:<\/p>\n

“Oh, wasn’t it *cute*!”<\/p>\n

Cute’s nice. Kiddy stuff has it’s place. So have other anime.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #117, from bsoron, 429 chars, Sun Nov 26 00:49:18 1989
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\nTITLE: Any info on…<\/p>\n

I once saw a wonderful animated film done by (I may have the names
\na little wrong; it’s been years) Frank and Caroline Mouris, the folks
\nbehind Frank Film. The movie I remember was done exclusively with
\nAvery labels. I saw this once a looong time ago at Cambridge’s late,
\nlamented Off the Wall; never saw it again anywhere. Anyone know
\nanything about it — like a source so I could see it again?<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #118, from davemackey, 259 chars, Sun Nov 26 08:27:10 1989
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\n“Frank Film” won the 1973 Academy Award for Best Animated Short. Outside of
\nthat I couldn’t tell you anything more except to check with your library.
\nInevitably they have source books for locating films on 16mm and video
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #119, from switch, 232 chars, Sun Nov 26 10:53:18 1989
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\nCouldn’t tell you the name, but Eastman\/Kodak released a book on animated film
\n(and my fuzzy brain refuses to remember the title) which discusses “Frank Film”
\nand the second one being worked on. I’ll try to find it in the library.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #120, from richard.pini, 897 chars, Sun Nov 26 12:54:50 1989
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\nI think that your assessment of North American target audiences has been
\nmostly true, and is still largely true, but I like to think that’s changing,
\nthough slowly. One of the hopeful signs of that is the tone of reviews of
\nThe Little Mermaid, which in essence say it’s a film you don’t have to be
\nashamed going by yourself to. (This aimed at adults, and wasn’t *that* a
\ngrammatically screwed sentence!) We won’t talk about animated specials on
\nTV; I just ate and I want to enjoy the memory of the meal. Network mentality
\n(an oxymoron) has far longer to go to catch up with late 20th century ideas
\nof effective entertainment than studio film mentality. There certainly is
\nor seems to be a place for “cute” – look at how well stuff like the Care Bears
\nmovies do – but it’ll be a happy day when American animation (like
\nAmerican comic books) is taken the way European and Japanese couterparts are.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #121, from jimomura, 671 chars, Sun Nov 26 18:41:26 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 120.
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\nThey said that about Roger Rabbit, and RR was, well, cute. I’ve
\nseen one ad for The Little Mermaid and frankly, that looks “cute” too.<\/p>\n

Let me say something about “Lord of the Rings.” I have a lot of
\nrespect for that one. It was a good attempt. It fails, but it was a
\nrespectable effort. “Heavy Metal” was too, though it doesn’t aspire
\nto much more than gore freaks and maybe giving a hint to the North American
\naudience that it was possible to try for something beyond Yogi Bear.
\nActually, “Heavy Metal” pretty much succeeds. I may not like it much
\nbut I admire the fact that it’s artistic goals were met. I should hope
\nto accomplish that much someday.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #122, from bsoron, 291 chars, Sun Nov 26 22:25:56 1989
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\nThanks (and thanks to Dave as well — somehow I keep forgetting that
\nlibraries actually have reference books). I’m surprised that some video
\ncompany hasn’t put out a collection of the Mourises’ work. With hi-fi
\nvideo, the soundtrack to “Frank Film” wouldn’t even be too staggering.<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #123, from davemackey, 124 chars, Mon Nov 27 07:38:33 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 122.
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\nThanks for the thanks, Bob, and I hope you find “Frank Film,” wherever it
\nmay be hiding.
\n—Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #124, from jshook, 591 chars, Mon Nov 27 17:13:53 1989
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\nThe film you remember is called “Impasse.”
\nI don’t know what has happened to the distribution of F and C’s
\nfilms. I have not seen them in several years…the last I heard
\nthey were living in upstate New York and were looking to work
\non rock videos.
\nIt would be ideal if all of their films (like “Frank Film,”
\n“Impasse,” “Coney Island,” “Screen Test” and the others) were
\nall available on a video cassette, but I have not heard if this
\nis true. If you really want to persue this you might start with
\na call to Picture Start in Champaign Ill (sorry…don’t have
\nthe number near to hand.)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #125, from hmccracken, 419 chars, Mon Nov 27 21:51:31 1989
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\nTITLE: Interesting Rumor
\nDon’t know the validity of this, but I am told that we may see no more of
\nour friend Roger Rabbit after the upcoming Rollercoaster Rabbit short.
\nApparently Steven Spielberg wanted to run that short with Back to the
\nFuture III next Summer, and Disney wanted to run it with one of their own
\nfilms. The upshot is said to be that Steve took his half of Roger and
\nwent home. We’ll see.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #126, from bsoron, 251 chars, Mon Nov 27 22:47:15 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 124.
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\nMany thanks for IDing “Impasse.” I vaguely remember that “Frank
\nFilm” was on videocassette once, but I may just have seen a copy
\noff PBS or something. Can’t hurt to give Picture Start a call,
\nand maybe check in at a local video store or two.<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #127, from bsoron, 78 chars, Mon Nov 27 22:48:00 1989
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\nIt hasn’t occurred to either of them that they could do another one? \ud83d\ude42
\nBob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #128, from hshubs, 82 chars, Tue Nov 28 00:04:59 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 127.
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\nThat might cost _money_ though. We all know they don’t have
\nenough of _that_…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #129, from hmccracken, 467 chars, Thu Nov 30 21:19:29 1989
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\nTITLE: Whole Toon Catalog
\nThis publication — a mammoth catalog of cartoon videotapes and other
\nanimation related merchandise — has been mentioned here before by
\nothers, but having just received a copy I am moved to urge anybody
\ninterested in animation to call Whole Toon Access (206-391-8747,
\nin Seattle) and request a copy. I have no idea how the service on
\norders is, but I suspect I will soon; there are scads of things in
\nhere I’d like to have.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #130, from hmccracken, 740 chars, Mon Dec 4 18:18:00 1989
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\nTITLE: CBIX Session this Wednesday
\nThe animaton conference will be holding its first CBIX session this Wednesay
\nat 9:00pm est. Our guest will be Jerry Beck, an expert on almost every
\narea of animation who co-authored the recent book _Looney Tunes and Merrie
\nMelodies: a Complete Guide to the Warner Bros. Cartoons_ and served as
\nresearch associate on two books by Leonard Maltin, _Of Mice and Magic_ and
\n_The Disney Films_.
\nJerry is also a partner in Streamline Pictures, a new company which
\ntranslates and distributes Japanese animated features in the U.S., including
\n_Laputa: the Castle in the Sky_ and _Akira_, as well as selling original
\nart from Japanese animation. It should be an interesting session; please
\njoin us!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #131, from dyarbrough, 288 chars, Tue Dec 5 22:34:55 1989
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\nTITLE: WB short – NL: XMas Vacation
\nJust saw National Lampoon’s Christmas Vacation with the WB short. It
\nis a WB greatest “hits” \ud83d\ude42 compilation, so there is nothing new for all
\nyou fans
\nDavid () ()
\n( )<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #132, from bsoron, 283 chars, Tue Dec 5 23:17:55 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 131.
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While getting my nightly Green Acres dose on Nickelodeon, they
\npromoed a Ralph Bakshi Christmas cartoon to run this Sunday night
\n(8:30 Eastern time, I think). Unfortunately, I don’t remember its
\ntitle, so Check Your Local Listings. Anyone know if this is new
\nor a retread?<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #133, from switch, 85 chars, Wed Dec 6 00:24:20 1989
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\nWasn’t Bakshi supposed to do a Christmas-story Tattertown? Or did he do it
\nalready?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #134, from switch, 218 chars, Wed Dec 6 00:25:52 1989
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\nJust found it in Animation Magazine #6: “Bakshi warns his followers not to
\nexpect ‘Might Mouse humor’ in the first episode [of Tattertown], a Christmas
\nspecial to be aired in December [of 1988].” Guess it’s a repeat.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #135, from switch, 150 chars, Wed Dec 6 00:40:07 1989
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\nTITLE: Nelvana
\nDoes anyone have the address for Nelvana’s studio in Ontario? I sat down to
\nwrite a letter and discovered I’ve lost their address…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #136, from jimomura, 125 chars, Wed Dec 6 01:44:58 1989
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\nI’m not sure about this. I’m just looking in the phone book.<\/p>\n

Nelvana
\n32 Atlantic
\n588-5571<\/p>\n

(somewhere around Toronto)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #137, from switch, 59 chars, Wed Dec 6 12:41:54 1989
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\nThanks, Jim. I’ll try to verify it before the week’s out.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #138, from hmccracken, 204 chars, Wed Dec 6 18:30:22 1989
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\nHe was supposed to do a whole *series* of Tattertown, but the Christmas
\nspecial was the only result that ever appeared. It was first broadcast
\nlast year, and was quite poor in most respects.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #139, from hkenner, 107 chars, Wed Dec 6 18:45:40 1989
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\nHasn’t Bakshi a track record of being scheduled for a whole series of
\nwhich only one clunker ever appears?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #140, from hmccracken, 272 chars, Wed Dec 6 19:35:21 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 139.
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\nSort of. He did part one of a _Lord of the Rings_, and part two has yet to
\nappear a decade late. He recently did something called _Houndtown_ which
\nwas a failed pilot for a weekly series. And he has announced many, many
\nprojects which have never been made.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #141, from bsoron, 84 chars, Wed Dec 6 23:21:37 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 133.
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\nThank you — yes, Tattertown is the Bakshi Christmas special on Nickelodeon.<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #142, from jenn, 1092 chars, Thu Dec 7 12:24:06 1989
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\nsf\/anime #570, from brennall, 991 chars, Thu Dec 7 05:33:48 1989
\nComment(s).
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\nTITLE: Help for British Fan Needed
\nHello folks,
\nLiving in the motherland can be a problem at times, this is
\nmainly true if you like Anime. BUT I am coming to America (Didn’t Eddy
\nMurphy say that sometime ?) for my Honeymoon in May (staying in florida
\nfor 3 weeks in the royal plaza on buena vista). During this time I wish
\nto get a few chances to pick up Videos, Comics etc.. The problem is that
\nI don’t know of any place in orlando (or florida for that matter) that
\nsells what I want. SO the question is can you fine folks give me any
\nclues as to where to start looking for what I want. Also if any of you
\nfolks with tapes of all these lovely series you watch on TV want to
\nstart up a lifelong friendship and send me a copy so that I could watch
\nsomething I would be eternaly grateful (I haven’t even seen Robotech !)
\n(but I did read the book\/comics). Please contact me on BIX with any help
\nyou can offer. Thanks for your time.<\/p>\n

Dave “Brennall” Johnston<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #143, from jenn, 110 chars, Thu Dec 7 12:24:41 1989
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\nEr, David, don’t they use a different video system in
\nEngland? Or do you have both systems available to you?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #144, from switch, 742 chars, Thu Dec 7 21:12:43 1989
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\nPart of the problem here is that Britain uses the PAL video system, and North
\nAmerica uses NTSC. Unfortunately, the two are incompatible. There are two
\nsolutions, though:<\/p>\n

(1) Find a VCR that does both PAL and NTSC. Not easy to find and not cheap,
\nbut they are available (I know Panasonic makes one and I’m currently trying
\nto find the model number) in both North America and Britain.<\/p>\n

(2) Get anime from a country that uses the PAL system. Unfortunately, the only
\nplace I know of that has sufficient anime is Hong Kong (VERY popular there),
\nbut, well, there is the problem of knowing where to get stuff, or for that
\nmatter reading the ads.<\/p>\n

JIC, I’ll post a list of Florida-based anime retailers in animation\/sources.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #145, from jshook, 88 chars, Thu Dec 7 22:53:34 1989
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\nWon’t he have a problem if he buys tapes here and tries to
\nplay them when he gets home?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #146, from switch, 199 chars, Fri Dec 8 00:49:13 1989
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\nI’ve posted the address to the Manasota Anime Group in Sarasota, Florida —
\nit was the only Florida address I had. Best bet would be to write them and
\nfind out what anime retailers are in the area.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #147, from dispintoh, 588 chars, Fri Dec 8 03:15:55 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 146.
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That’s because Florida is not one of your better places to try and get anime
\nYou should have tried California or New York.
\nFor comics, that’s an easy one, Enterprise 1701. They have lots
\nof comics. They also have some tapes of anime that you might not
\nhave seen, so just ask nicely if they have any \ud83d\ude42
\nOnly place other then there that I got anime from in FL was a fan
\nclub down in Tampa that closed shop so to speak \ud83d\ude42
\nDon’t have the address for 1701 memorized, but it’s in the phone
\nbook. Real easy to find \ud83d\ude42
\nWho knows, maybe if you stop by on a Friday we’ll run into each other \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #148, from bsoron, 169 chars, Fri Dec 8 20:46:34 1989
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\nTITLE: Beck on BIX
\nSorry I missed the CBix session Wednesday night. Any chance that
\na transcript will be posted in \/listings? (Do we have a \/listings
\nsection?)<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #149, from jenn, 146 chars, Sat Dec 9 00:32:40 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 148.
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\nI believe Jim is working on getting the transcript into
\nlistings now! (I haven’t read my mail from him so…:-)<\/p>\n

Yes, we have a listings section!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #150, from wablock, 293 chars, Sun Dec 10 03:58:48 1989
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\nTITLE: Looking For…
\n“Goofy Gophers,” it seems they are called, although I’m not sure.<\/p>\n

Remember the two very polite gophers who explore the dehydrated food factory?
\nI’m looking for this cartoon–if it is on one of the collections in the
\nWhole Toon Catalog, could someone point it out to me?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #151, from rgswartz, 31 chars, Sun Dec 10 04:05:15 1989
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\n“after you”
\n“no, after you”
\n:]<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #152, from wablock, 360 chars, Sun Dec 10 04:10:46 1989
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\nYeah, I spent the afternoon looking through the catalog with a friend,
\nlaughing like idiots at our memories of so many of those cartoons.<\/p>\n

What I really want is one tape with “One Froggy Evening,” “What’s Opera, Doc,”
\nthe “fiddler crab” one (Rabbit Seasoning?), and three or four Martin Martian
\nepisodes. Kind of a “best memories of my childhood” collection.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #153, from hmccracken, 168 chars, Sun Dec 10 06:30:36 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 150.
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\nI don’t know the name of this cartoon off the top of my head (although
\nDave Mackey might), but I can easily find it out. I should have it for
\nyou later. — Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #154, from hmccracken, 224 chars, Sun Dec 10 08:07:37 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 153.
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\nI did my research: the cartoon is I Gopher You, directed by Friz Freleng in
\n1954. I’m not sure if it’s available on tape or not, but if there is a
\nvolume devoted exclusively to the Goofy Gophers, it probably is.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #155, from hkenner, 172 chars, Sun Dec 10 13:59:43 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 152.
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\nThere is a tape with a title something like “Homage to Chck Jones” that
\nmight be worth investigating. I don’t know the exact contents, but Jones
\nhimself told me about it.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #156, from switch, 199 chars, Sun Dec 10 16:04:47 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 151.
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\nLoved those guys, and I always forget what they were called. I have some
\naddresses for distributors of Warner Bros. shorts on video, tho — check
\nanimation\/sources and search for the word “Warner”.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #157, from switch, 507 chars, Sun Dec 10 16:07:28 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 155.
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\nThere is a collection of tapes (whose name I always forget, I’ll have to dig
\nthe boxes out of my closet) of Warner shorts, and each one is centered round
\na character or someone involved in the production. The ones that immediately
\ncome to mind are the tapes on Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Speedy Gonzales, Sylvester,
\nElmer Fudd, Porky Pig, Friz Freleng, Chuck Jones, and Mel Blanc. The ones
\ncentered on characters have blue boxes with gold rings, the ones on Real Live
\nPeople in purple boxes with gold rings.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #158, from sharonfisher, 292 chars, Sun Dec 10 16:22:28 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 154.
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\nI check out the WB available at all the video stores I visit, and I doubt
\nthere’s a whole tape on the gophers because there were only a couple of
\nanimations featuring them. Try the tape of
\nFreleng’s work that’s available (there’s also one for Chuck Jones and
\none of the other WB animators).<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #159, from hmccracken, 285 chars, Sun Dec 10 18:10:58 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 158.
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\nThere were nine Goofy Gopher cartoons, I see by checking _Looney Tunes and
\nMerrie Melodies_ by Beck and Friedwald; enough for a tape, but only one tape.
\nLooking through _The Whole Toon Catalog_, I don’t see any Goofy Gophers
\ncartoons listed on any of the tapes they carry.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #160, from wablock, 162 chars, Sun Dec 10 22:53:47 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 159.
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\nYes, it appears that there’s nothing about the Gophers in the catalog, although
\nthe “Salute To Chuck Jones” and “Salute To Friz Freleng” tapes look
\ninteresting.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #161, from jimomura, 194 chars, Tue Dec 12 20:57:06 1989
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\nTITLE: ‘beckcbix.txt’ Jerry Beck Special CBIX Session Transcript
\nI’ve just installed the above named file in our ‘listings’
\narea. It’s my final edit “and if you don’t like it, tough!”
\n\ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #162, from davemackey, 123 chars, Wed Dec 13 07:25:17 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 152.
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\nWablock–
\nThe three cartoons you mentioned are on “A Salute To Chuck Jones.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #163, from davemackey, 239 chars, Wed Dec 13 07:26:46 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 153.
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\nWhen Dave Mackey isn’t on line for a week, however, all bets are off. The
\ncartoon is “I Gopher You,” released very early in 1954 and regarded by
\nBeck and Friedwald as one of the best Gopher reels.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #164, from davemackey, 397 chars, Wed Dec 13 07:31:07 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 158.
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\nHi Sharon….
\nThere is no tape of Gopher shorts, as there weren’t very many. If anything,
\n“I Gopher You” might be on the Freleng tape, but am not sure.
\nThe series of tapes was called “Warner Bros. Cartoons Golden Jubilee 24
\nKarat Collection,” of which 12 were eventually released and they can be found
\nin K-Marts and the like for just $14.95 each.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #165, from jimomura, 146 chars, Wed Dec 13 17:34:03 1989
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\nTITLE: ‘bgiani.com’ installed.
\nA small utility that does register flip style animation for 4 pictures
\non IBM VGA register-compatible boards.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #166, from switch, 77 chars, Wed Dec 13 20:30:05 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 164.
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\nThanks, Dave! I’d just dug up my tape boxes and you beat me to it anyway…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #167, from wablock, 73 chars, Wed Dec 13 23:46:31 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 162.
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\nYeah, it’s already on my list. But no Martin Martian or Gophers, sniff!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #168, from brennall, 80 chars, Fri Dec 15 06:28:21 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 143.
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\nHi
\nyes they do use different video systems but I have a multi-system video.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #169, from davemackey, 607 chars, Fri Dec 15 18:12:03 1989
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\nTITLE: Sammy Lerner 1903-1989
\nSammy Lerner, the co-author with Sammy Timberg of “I’m Popeye The Sailor Man,”
\nhas died at the age of 86. ASCAP said Lerner died on Wednesday.
\nLerner was responsible for many other songs during a long career,
\ncollaborating with such other songwriters as Irving Caesar, Hoagy
\nCarmichael, Burton Lane and Richard Whiting, but none of his compositions
\nare as well known to this day as his theme for the Popeye cartoons,
\ncommissioned by the Fleischer Studios when the cartoon series began in 1933
\nand used as his signature ever since.
\n–Dave Mackey<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #170, from hmccracken, 221 chars, Fri Dec 15 22:31:29 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 169.
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\nThanks for the info, Dave. With the recent death of Sammy Fain
\n(who wrote Peter Pan’s songs with Sammy Kahn), we have had two
\ndeaths of Sammys who wrote cartoons songs with other Sammys in
\na very short time.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #171, from jimomura, 176 chars, Mon Dec 18 21:19:07 1989
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\nTITLE: ‘anist.arc’ for Atari ST
\nThis file is Jim Kent’s “Aegis Animator” program for the Atari ST.
\nThis version is Public Domain. The Amiga version is NOT Public Domain.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #172, from jimomura, 84 chars, Mon Dec 18 21:20:22 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 171.
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\nI forgot to say that it’s now available for download in *our*
\n‘listings’ area.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #173, from dtenton, 58 chars, Mon Dec 18 22:41:00 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 172.
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\nDo I detect a certain sneer with that comment ? \ud83d\ude42
\nDan
\n.,<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #174, from switch, 16 chars, Mon Dec 18 22:46:28 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 173.
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\nFierce pride \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #175, from jimomura, 167 chars, Mon Dec 18 23:18:16 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 173.
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\nNope. It’s just that ‘anist.arc’ has been available in the
\n‘atari.st\/listings’ for a while now and I thought that the message
\nI posted originally was confusing.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #176, from davemackey, 275 chars, Wed Dec 20 07:24:15 1989
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\nTITLE: Minor quibble
\nSay, I never brought this up, but did you know that on the Warner Bros.
\nGolden Jubilee tape of Daffy Duck, the cartoon “Porky’s Duck Hunt” is
\ngrotesquely sped up? There’s nothing we can do about it now, just a caveat.
\nDave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #177, from switch, 138 chars, Wed Dec 20 09:27:04 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 176.
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\nI thought it was just me. I felt there was a difference between it and
\nwhat I saw on the big screen, but I couldn’t put my finger on it.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #178, from wablock, 250 chars, Thu Dec 21 00:46:28 1989
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\nTITLE: The Raisins
\nOkay, so they’re last year’s news. But I recently re-watched the “Meet The
\nRaisins” special on tape, and the range of expression and some of the
\nphysical movements (like the penguin) are just plain amazing. It’s a fun
\nhalf-hour.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #179, from davemackey, 317 chars, Thu Dec 21 06:59:07 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 178.
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\nLove em or hate em, the Raisins (in Claymation by Vinton) represent the
\nstate of the art in the form. The technical finesse ranks right up there with
\nthe best of George Pal Puppetoons. The Saturday Morning version of the Raisins
\nis a sham. I will not accept cel-animated raisins!
\nDave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #180, from mosheyess, 30 chars, Tue Dec 26 21:59:26 1989
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\nTITLE: main<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #181, from jenn, 38 chars, Tue Dec 26 22:30:16 1989
\nThis is a comment to message 180.
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\nUh, moshe, confused?? \ud83d\ude42
\n(Welcome!!)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #182, from davemackey, 144 chars, Mon Jan 1 06:52:05 1990
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\nTITLE: A toast
\nTo all animation fans, past, present and future…
\nmay 1990 be your most animated year yet!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #183, from davemackey, 222 chars, Mon Jan 1 07:03:01 1990
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\nTITLE: Did you know?
\nThe Hollywood Foreign Press Association has saw fit to nominate Disney’s
\n“The Little Mermaid” for four Golden Globe awards including Best Picture
\n(Comedy or Musical).
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #184, from jimomura, 407 chars, Mon Jan 1 13:59:00 1990
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\nTITLE: ‘gundam.1’ now available
\nThis is the 3rd draft summary of the first part of Gundam. I took
\nit from ‘sf\/long.messages’ and made some minor changes to it and uploaded
\nit to ‘animation\/listings’. In so doing, I also removed the older version
\nin ‘sf\/long.messages’. Anyway, if you’re interested in reading a description
\nof one of the classics of the anime field, this file should be of interest.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #185, from hmccracken, 99 chars, Mon Jan 1 14:11:59 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 183.
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\nHip, hip hurrah! Wonder when the last time an animated film received such
\nan honor was?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #186, from jenn, 90 chars, Mon Jan 1 16:06:32 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 182.
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\nHappy New Year Dave! And Everyone!
\nMay the following year be even better than the last..<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #187, from switch, 23 chars, Mon Jan 1 16:59:28 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 182.
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\nHappy New Year, Dave!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #188, from davemackey, 660 chars, Tue Jan 2 00:58:19 1990
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\nTITLE: Time Life\/WB
\nI didn’t see enough of the ad to be able to answer specific questions, but
\nTime\/Life Video is now making available collections of Warner Bros. cartoons
\nthrough television direct-response offers. The ads began appearing today on
\nat least Nickelodeon, a network on which you can see these cartoons for free
\n(more or less). If I find out more, such as what collections these are, I’ll
\nlet you all know. The cost for the first volume is $9.99 which leads me to
\nbelieve these might be the Golden Jubilee and Cartoon Cavalcade collections.
\nI would imagine the Turner networks to also begin running these ads.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #189, from davemackey, 458 chars, Tue Jan 2 01:00:54 1990
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\nTITLE: Bugs’ Turtle Cycle
\nDid anyone notice today (1\/1\/90) that during TNT’s three-hour cartoon marathon,
\nthey ran all three Bugs Bunny vs. Cecil Turtle reels? “Tortoise Beats Hare,”
\n“Rabbit Transit” and “Tortoise Wins By A Hare.” I saw that the turtle footage
\nwas featured prominently in the promos for what TNT called “New Year’s Toons”
\nso I guess they more than covered their behinds. “..Wins..” is a wicked cartoon.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #190, from davemackey, 619 chars, Tue Jan 2 20:39:35 1990
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\nTITLE: A few program notes….
\nCouple of programming notes for Saturday morning aficionados…<\/p>\n

(1) FLINTSTONE KIDS returns to the ABC lineup at 12 noon Eastern time, eff.
\nJanuary 6. The show displaced is a live-action panel show, ANIMAL CRACK-UPS.
\n(2) RUDE DOG AND THE DWEEBS has been cancelled by CBS, and its replacement is
\nthe old Marvel Productions show DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS, this also taking
\neffect January 6.<\/p>\n

And a reminder… THE SIMPSONS, highly-rated in their Christmas special a few
\nweeks back, premieres their series on January 14 on the Fox Network, at
\n8:30 p.m. Eastern.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #191, from switch, 107 chars, Tue Jan 2 20:45:50 1990
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\nD&D started up this Saturday, according to a friend of mine. I’ve got to
\ngo and buy a new box of tapes…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #192, from jstivaletta, 106 chars, Wed Jan 3 07:31:00 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 191.
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\nIf you have the Disney Channel, they will be showing Superman cartoons on
\n5 January 1990 at 8:30 pm EST.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #193, from jshook, 2747 chars, Wed Jan 3 17:05:35 1990
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\nTITLE: How I Spent New Year’s Eve
\nIn Boston we have an annual tradition (since ’76) called First
\nNight–a city-wide New Year’s Eve festival of music, parades,
\nart, performance and fireworks. This year an animator friend
\nof mine, Karen Aqua, and another artist, Jane Gillooly, did
\nan installation at the Boston Public Library. They projected
\ntwo 16mm animated films and two screens of 35 mm. slides in
\na grid of large windows over the main entrance to the new wing
\nof the library. The two slide screen were in the middle, flanked by
\nthe 16mm. The screens\/windows were about 10 feet square and about
\n15 feet over the heads of the crowd.
\nThe technical set-up inside the library was a sight to behold:
\na monster 35mm mag. track reader for the soundtrack and synch
\npulses which controlled the two 16mm projectors as well as the
\ncomputer controlling 6 slide projectors on a balcony to the rear of
\nthe entrance hall. The 16mm projectors were on 12 foot scaffolding
\nand the films wound along tall ‘loop trees’–masonite panels with many
\nrollers at the top and bottom to keep the film moving along in a
\ncontinuous loop. Add to that the sound gear and it was cable city.
\nThe piece was about images and rituals surrounding the idea of time
\nand the new year, using imagery from the past and present. At times
\nthere was very tight co-ordination between the films and the slides:
\none example was a sequence in which the film on the left-hand screen (film)
\nshowed “1989” being written in sand and then blown across the two
\nslide screens (via quick dissolves from the slide projectors) to arrive
\nat the right-hand film screen and re-form as “1990.”
\nThe music was by Ken Field (Karen’s husband, and who also plays in the
\ngroup BirdSongs of the Mesozoic) and percussionist extraordinaire Ken
\nWinouker. The crowd went crazy to their crazy Afro-Beat! The original plan
\nwas to show the piece evry 15 minutes or so, but people seemed to like it
\nso much we stepped up the schedule to as fast as we could re-thread
\neverything (about 5 minutes).
\nThe whole thing was an inspired way to bring color sound and movement
\nto a rather austere architectural facade. At one point a bus got stuck
\nfor a few minutes on the way down Boylston street and the look on the faces
\nof the passengers as they stared at the images magically appearing in the
\nwindows of the library and the snake line of dancers on the sidewalk below
\nwas wonderful to see.
\nThe whole thing was atremendous amount of work in a very short time from
\nKaren and Jane. We had excellent technical support from Boston Light and
\nSound and a wonderful crew. I didn’t get to see much of the rest of the
\nFirst Night festivities, but it was worth missing all of that to be part
\nof this wonderful event.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #194, from davemackey, 219 chars, Wed Jan 3 18:06:32 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 192.
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\nThe Superman Cartoons are rejoining the regular Disney Channel schedule.
\nThey will be running every Saturday and Sunday at 8:30 a.m. Eastern and
\nPacific beginning Sunday, January 7th.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #195, from hmccracken, 354 chars, Wed Jan 3 19:04:23 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 193.
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\nGee, I walked by the B.P.L. and the show on my way to another First
\nNight event and was impressed both by the idea and by the show itself.
\n(I would definitely have stayed, except I was with a group.)
\n——–It’s not often that you see animation used, as it was in the show,
\nin a way that (to my knowledge, anyway) it’s never been used before.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #196, from switch, 149 chars, Fri Jan 5 13:36:46 1990
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\nI just installed jechard’s screwbas.arc in the listings area. Not having
\nAmiga VideoScape, I couldn’t try it out. Could someone tell me how it is?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #197, from switch, 559 chars, Fri Jan 5 16:17:23 1990
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\nI’ll assume we all know about how cartoon characters (good ones, anyway) are
\nsupposed to act the ‘right’ way because kids might use them as role models,
\nand we can’t very well have our kids kicking animals off cliffs, now, can we?<\/p>\n

Well, today I glanced at Duck Tales while waiting for my kettle of water to
\nboil. For some reason, there was a total eclipse. The characters looked at
\nit, shouted ‘yay’ or whatever, then put the welder’s smoked glass over their
\neyes to look _directly at it_. Sheesh!<\/p>\n

Kids, don’t try this at home. These are trained toons.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #198, from ewhac, 60 chars, Sat Jan 6 04:34:04 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 197.
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\nWhy can’t you look at an eclipse through welder’s goggles?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #199, from davemackey, 551 chars, Sat Jan 6 04:39:04 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 198.
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\nI was always taught in school that under no circumstances should you
\nEVER look directly at a total eclipse. My teachers advocated using the
\npinhole method (two cards, one with a pinhole lens projecting onto another
\ncard without a hole). Sunglasses, overexposed photo negatives and welders’
\nmasks were not recommended for direct viewing. The original poster of the
\nmessage had a pretty good point. The intensity of the light of a total
\neclipse is such that even heavily filtered could cause severe eye damage.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #200, from jechard, 129 chars, Sat Jan 6 13:19:30 1990
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\nI thought it was the UV component that damaged your eyes, rather than
\njust intensity. If welder goggles filter UV, etc etc….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #201, from wablock, 135 chars, Sat Jan 6 17:45:45 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 198.
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\nIt’s a gamble: maybe the goggles will have enough filtering, maybe not. But
\nwhen gambling with your eyesight, it pays to be paranoid.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #202, from switch, 66 chars, Sat Jan 6 18:16:09 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 200.
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\nSupposedly, they don’t do good enougha job of filtering out UV…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #203, from rcrook, 278 chars, Sat Jan 6 20:28:11 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 202.
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\nA technical note: a TOTAL eclipse can be viewed quite safely with the
\nnaked eye. A PARTIAL eclipse is the dangerous one to look at (yes, it is
\nthe UV that is damaging, and yes, welders goggles do filter out UV. It is
\nmore a question of how dark the goggles are.)<\/p>\n

= Argosy =<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #205, from davemackey, 261 chars, Tue Jan 9 19:05:38 1990
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\nTITLE: Fun House
\nThe game show “Fun House” is going to add a 5-minute cartoon segment beginning
\nin the fall of 1990. Executive producer Scott Stone says the cartoon will
\nfeature an animated depiction of host J.D. Roth.
\n—Dave Mackey<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #209, from davemackey, 685 chars, Thu Jan 11 07:11:47 1990
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\nTITLE: Fox SatAM
\nThe Fox Network is set to become the fourth player in the SatAM programming
\nwars. The programming of what will be known as “Fox Children’s Network” is
\ngoing to be overseen by Margaret Loesch, who had been a top executive with
\nMarvel Productions, Hanna-Barbera Productions, and ABC-TV.
\nBeginning in September 1990, Fox affiliates will program three hours of
\nchildren’s programs (yet to be selected) from 8-11 a.m. (est) Saturday
\nmornings, plus a new half-hour cartoon series during the week from TMS
\nEntertainment called “Peter Pan.” Possibilities exist for expansion in the
\nseasons to come, as with the Fox primetime lineup.
\n–Dave Mackey<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #210, from hmccracken, 388 chars, Thu Jan 11 16:28:12 1990
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\nTITLE: Hollywood Chronicles…
\na show on the cable TV network The Discovery Channel, had quite a nice
\nepisode on silent animation yesterday night, featuring interviews with
\nWalter Lantz and animation historian Harvey Deneroff. The show is hosted
\nby Jackie Cooper. I don’t know if TDC shows things more than once, but
\nif you can find the episode it’s certainly worth watching.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #215, from switch, 109 chars, Fri Jan 12 09:26:06 1990
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\nThe discussion on screwbas and it’s possibilities has been moved to
\nanimation\/bit.by.bit, starting at #203.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #216, from davemackey, 705 chars, Sat Jan 13 03:54:09 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 210.
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\nHappy New Year, Harry….
\nI’d like to seek out this program, as our cable system now has Discovery
\nChannel. Also because Lantz was one of my boyhood heroes and one of the guys
\nwhose work really turned me on to animation.
\nIncidentally, it bears mentioning that this April, Mr. Lantz will
\ncelebrate his 90th birthday. Does it seem to you that animators, who surround
\nthemselves with jocularity, live longer lives? J.R. Bray lived to be what,
\n100 or so? The Fleischer Brothers, Jones and Freleng, some of Disney’s
\nNine Old Men, some of ’em kept working long past the traditional retirement
\nage of 65 — a case right there for the value of our older citizens.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #217, from hmccracken, 372 chars, Sat Jan 13 12:01:43 1990
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\nLet’s see… Grim Natwick, Ollie Johnston, Frank Thomas, Shamus Culhane,
\nArt Babbit, Art Davis (I think), Norm McCabe, Walt Lantz, Ward Kimball,
\nand others are still around… Max and Dave Fleischer both lived to very
\nripe old age, too. Perhaps animation does do something for one’s
\nlongevity. Incidentally, does anyone know if Carl Stalling is still alie?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #218, from switch, 144 chars, Sat Jan 13 18:38:35 1990
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\nTITLE: Trivia question
\nCan anyone tell me what the “I” in I. (Friz) Freleng stands for? Someone asked
\nme this recently, and I had no answer…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #219, from jstivaletta, 8 chars, Sat Jan 13 21:24:28 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 218.
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\nIsadore<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #220, from davemackey, 295 chars, Sun Jan 14 01:23:22 1990
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\nHarry–
\nNo, Carl Stalling is no longer with us. And of those you mentioned, I know
\nthat Art Davis and Norm McCabe are still active in the animation field. Davis
\nhas got to be somewhere around ninety himself; he started with the Fleischers
\nin the 20’s.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #221, from davemackey, 520 chars, Sun Jan 14 01:26:08 1990
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\nTITLE: Hot rumor
\nThe hot rumor is that Disney will release “The Little Mermaid” on videocassette
\nat sell-through price this summer. There’s a report in the January 20 Billboard
\nthat says a wholesaler of videos says Disney is “deadly serious” about not only
\n“Mermaid”‘s release on home video but also the 1988 film “Oliver and Company.”
\nDisney would not confirm specific titles but a spokesman did say the company
\nwould be “very aggressive” in the video sales market this year.
\n–Dave Mackey<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #222, from davemackey, 503 chars, Sun Jan 14 01:29:22 1990
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\nI came in too late to be first with the answer, but I can give you a little
\nbackground: Freleng took screen credit as Isadore from 1930 to 1935, I. from
\n1935 to 1955 (exception: 1940’s “Porky’s Baseball Broadcast” credits as
\nIsadore), and Friz from 1955 to date. There were two other well known
\nanimators who just used the initial I., both of whom had substantial careers
\nat Famous Studios: I. Sparber and I. Klein., with the I standing for Isadore
\nin each case.
\n–D. Mackey<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #223, from switch, 8 chars, Sun Jan 14 01:33:45 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 219.
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\nThanks!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #224, from switch, 40 chars, Sun Jan 14 01:33:58 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 222.
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\nMaybe I should change my name… nah…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #225, from davemackey, 182 chars, Sun Jan 14 01:37:51 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 217.
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\nMy comment to the guy who asked about Freleng included a reference to I.
\nKlein. Is HE still around? If so, he too is going to be 90 this year.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #226, from davemackey, 817 chars, Sun Jan 14 09:39:48 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 188.
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\nNow I have seen enough of the ad to be able to answer these questions. Time\/
\nLife is offering the “Golden Jubilee” tapes (of which there are twelve).
\nThe first one is $9.99 and the subsequent ones are $14.99 + p & h. If I were
\nyou, I would stay away from this offer because (1) you aren’t getting a break
\non the price on any tapes after the first, since they list for $14.98, and
\n(2) if you already have some tapes (like I do) it’s not easy to pick and
\nchoose. They’re shipped at the rate of once every two months, so it would
\ntake you two years to get all the tapes (including the three tribute tapes,
\nI assume). My advice: go to your local K-Mart or similar and buy the tapes
\nthere. The only extra you’re paying is sales tax.
\nCaveat Emptor,
\nDave Mackey<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #227, from hmccracken, 177 chars, Sun Jan 14 10:30:09 1990
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\nDo you know when Stalling passed away? — Harry
\n(And add Alex Lovy to the list of old-timers who are still in the
\nbusiness (at least last time I checked he was).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #228, from hmccracken, 363 chars, Sun Jan 14 10:32:54 1990
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\nYes, I. is still around and until recently was writing quite actively. Back
\nin the 1920s he was a contributor to the leftist journal The Masses; at an
\nexhibition of artwork from that magazine, I was quite proud when an identii-
\ncation of a drawing of his said that his birth and death dates were unknown,
\nand I knew that he was still alive and well!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #229, from davemackey, 49 chars, Tue Jan 16 07:09:39 1990
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\nNot offhand, but I will definitely look into it.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #230, from davemackey, 667 chars, Wed Jan 17 17:58:45 1990
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\nApparently, this is a tough one to figure out. I went to several libraries and
\napparently the New York Times never ran an obituary on him. This would suggest
\nthat he died during a wane in cartoon fandom. My guess would be it was somewhere
\naround 1970.
\nMy research did turn up the fact that jazz saxophonist and Stalling disciple
\nJohn Zorn is working on an album of Carl W. Stalling cartoon music with the
\nhelp of Hal Willner, who is currently music coordinator for Warner Bros.
\nCartoons. This was about nine months ago this factoid was published in FILM
\nCOMMENT and am wondering if any further news has emerged re this project.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #231, from hmccracken, 308 chars, Wed Jan 17 18:36:11 1990
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\nAre you absolutely, positively sure he’s not around? He would be extremely
\nold if he were still alive. But I don’t recall ever seeing a death date
\npublished for him, and I do vaguely recall reading that he was still
\ngettin residuals for his work at a point when I assumed he had passed away.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #232, from davemackey, 308 chars, Thu Jan 18 01:23:39 1990
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\nOutside of his family, perhaps some of the higher-mucks at Warner would know.
\nBut you consider that he goes back as far as Friz did, then there might be
\nan outside chance. Maybe some of the other big animation fans (the heavy-
\nweights like Beck, or Mark Kausler) would know.
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #233, from jechard, 317 chars, Sun Jan 21 15:44:39 1990
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\nTITLE: MODEL SHEETS
\nDoes anybody know where I can find a book (or any source) of model
\nsheets for a fair number of cartoons? Disney, Warner, and H\/B would be
\nappreciated.<\/p>\n

BTW, I found an excellant book on basic animation technique at the
\nlibrary. “The Animators’s Workbook” by Tony White. Great stuff!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #234, from hkenner, 224 chars, Sun Jan 21 15:52:57 1990
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\nTITLE: UTA
\nFor What It’s Worth: Many airlines now use a video for the obligatory
\nhow-to-fasten-your-seatbelts, how to use oxygen mask, segment. The French
\nairline UTA uses full animation for the whole 5-minute thing.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #235, from hmccracken, 108 chars, Sun Jan 21 16:08:07 1990
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\n…And is the animation of a bear, mouse, duck, or bunny rabbit?
\n(It *is* of a human, isn’t it?)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #236, from hmccracken, 359 chars, Sun Jan 21 16:10:28 1990
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\nAs far as I know, there’s no single source for a goodly number of model
\nsheets. Most big books on the history of animation or of a particular
\nstudio will contain some model sheets; check out The Fleischer Story
\nby Leslie Carbaga, Tex Avery, King of Cartoons by Joe Adamson, and
\nThat’s All Folks by Steve Schneider for a representative sampling.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #237, from switch, 214 chars, Sun Jan 21 17:03:45 1990
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\nThe Animator’s Workbook is an excellent book for teaching the techniques of
\nanimation. I’d rank it as one of the necessities, along with Preston Blair’s
\nbook on how to animate and Edweard Muybridge’s photographs.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #238, from hkenner, 46 chars, Sun Jan 21 18:46:00 1990
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\nIt’s of a wiggly stewardess with purple hair.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #239, from jechard, 105 chars, Sun Jan 21 19:10:29 1990
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\nAh, yes, next question….Is there a book that has Muybridge’s photographs
\nin one convenient collection?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #240, from jshook, 307 chars, Sun Jan 21 23:23:42 1990
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\nDover continually keeps these in print. The most common
\nis the two-volum set “Human Figure in Motion” and “Animals
\nin Motion” (or something like that). They can usually be
\nfound in paperback and hardcover.
\nIf you can’t find in your local bookstore, try Dover
\ndirect (sorry…don’t have address handy).<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #241, from ewhac, 183 chars, Mon Jan 22 04:00:06 1990
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\nAlex Lovy? The guy who succeeded Bill Lava? If either of those guys
\nhad talent, it never came through in the cartoons. The stuff from that era
\nis perfectly dreadful.<\/p>\n

Schwab<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #242, from ewhac, 75 chars, Mon Jan 22 04:01:03 1990
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\nLord, I hope that’s true. I’d snap up that album instantly.<\/p>\n

Schwab<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #243, from ewhac, 249 chars, Mon Jan 22 04:03:14 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 221.
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\nDumb.<\/p>\n

They could easily rake in several zillion more bucks by re-releasing
\nit next summer, and *then* going to video.<\/p>\n

Why all this zeal to get films to tape? Does no one make *films*
\nanymore? (Apart from Mike Jitlov, I mean….)<\/p>\n

Schwab<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #244, from ewhac, 94 chars, Mon Jan 22 04:05:06 1990
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\nYes.<\/p>\n

I suppose I should call Reichart (who has a copy) and ask him the
\ntitle.<\/p>\n

Schwab<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #245, from p.schmidt, 60 chars, Mon Jan 22 07:43:43 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 234.
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\nOh? How do they show the airplane making a water ‘landing’?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #246, from davemackey, 573 chars, Tue Jan 23 04:36:19 1990
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\nHarry is confusing you with apples and oranges here. Alex Lovy was a very
\ntalented cartoonist who worked with Walter Lantz for many years and was also
\none of the big wheels at Hanna-Barbera for many years, still working there,
\na veteran of 50-plus years in animation. Bill Lava was the man who succeeded
\nthe late Milt Franklyn as musical director at Warner Bros. and he was
\nfollowed by Walter Greene… both fairly good musicians but out of their
\nelement thanks to the precedents set by Carl Stalling. Hope this sets you
\nback on track.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #247, from davemackey, 711 chars, Tue Jan 23 04:41:05 1990
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\nTITLE: In the new TV GUIDE…
\nArticles in TV GUIDE purportedly written by fictional characters are generally
\nquite dopey, but there’s a pretty good one in the January 27-February 2 issue
\nwhich is an “interview” with Fred Flintstone, Charlie Brown and Bugs Bunny,
\neach of whom are celebrating birthdays this year: 30th, 40th, and 50th
\nrespectively. The wise move was made of going to the experts for the
\ninterview answers: Fred Flintstone’s answers were provided by Bill Hanna,
\nCharlie Brown’s by Charles M. Schulz, and Bugs Bunny’s by Greg Ford and
\nRonnie Scheib of the Warner Bros. Cartoon Studio. A pat on the back to
\nLarry Closs for pulling the whole thing together!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #248, from davemackey, 420 chars, Tue Jan 23 04:43:50 1990
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\nThis sort of reminds me of a bit which was done for the Bugs Bunny Looney
\nTunes 50th Anniversary Special done in 1985 in which Billy Dee Williams says
\nwhen he wants a little romantic music he puts on some Carl Stalling music,
\nthen whipped out a Carl Stalling album. Hal Willner worked on that special and
\nprobably thought a Stalling record would be viable. Best of luck in that
\nendeavor.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #249, from hmccracken, 391 chars, Tue Jan 23 18:31:09 1990
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\nThis sounds sorta similar to an upcoming cartoon special that will be shown
\nsimultaneously on all the networks and numerous cable stations: an anti-
\ndrug show starring Daffy Duck, Winnie the Pooh, the Teenage Mutant Ninja
\nTurtles, and lots of other cartoon characters you’d never expect to see in
\none show. Sounds like it might be an artistic travesty, despite the noble
\ncause.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #250, from ewhac, 47 chars, Wed Jan 24 02:15:25 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 246.
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\nOops… Thanks for the course correction.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #251, from ewhac, 54 chars, Wed Jan 24 02:16:30 1990
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\nNoble cause?<\/p>\n

Don’t get me started….<\/p>\n

Schwab<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #252, from davemackey, 309 chars, Wed Jan 24 05:15:22 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 249.
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\nHarry–
\nThe TV GUIDE piece was primarily written in connection with next week’s
\nCBS special, “You Don’t Look 40, Charlie Brown!” which will include new
\nanimation by Bill Melendez. This is sort of a logical followup to the special
\ndone five years ago for C.B.’s 35th anni.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #253, from ewhac, 129 chars, Sat Jan 27 02:54:41 1990
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\nI’m told The Academy of Motion Pictures Arts And Sciences is voting
\non the nominees for best animated short today.<\/p>\n

Schwab<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #254, from switch, 138 chars, Thu Feb 1 12:22:31 1990
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\n[Copied from animation\/anime #157 rgswartz 1Feb90 01:29]<\/p>\n

TITLE: animation in Paula Abdul video
\nDoes anyone know who did this animation?.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #255, from switch, 134 chars, Fri Feb 2 11:14:07 1990
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\nThe “Opposites Attract” video was designed and directed by Michael
\nPatterson, the animator responsible for A-Ha’s “Take on Me” video.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #256, from rgswartz, 65 chars, Fri Feb 2 16:15:23 1990
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\nThanks. Do you know anything more about Patterson’s background?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #257, from switch, 50 chars, Sat Feb 3 07:35:55 1990
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\nNot really, I’m afraid. I’ll see what I can dig.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #258, from hmccracken, 689 chars, Sun Feb 4 18:01:48 1990
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\nTITLE: CBIX Session This Friday
\nThis Friday, February 9th, at 8:00pm e.s.t., the Animation Conference will
\nhold its second CBIX session. Our guest will be Steve Segal, whom many
\nof you will know as the creator of the award-winning Amiga animated film
\n_Dance of the Stumblers_; Steve also directed several upcoming interactive
\nchildren’s stories which will be released on CD-ROM; is co-creator of the
\ncult classic science-fiction comedy _Futuropolis_; and has worked as an
\nanimator on projects ranging from _Pee Wee’s Playhouse_ to _The Brave
\nLittle Toaster_ to the opening credits of the film _Earth Girls Are Easy_.
\nThere should be a lot to ask him; hope you’ll join us.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #259, from jimomura, 111 chars, Fri Feb 9 23:44:14 1990
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\nTITLE: How’d it go?
\nDue to last minute oddities in my life, I had to miss the CBIX
\nsession. How’d it go?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #260, from hmccracken, 227 chars, Sat Feb 10 02:24:37 1990
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\nWell, it could have gone better. We had some technical difficulties
\nthat prevented Steve from participating fully or for very long.
\nWe owe it to him and ourselves to schedule another session
\nsometime in the future.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #261, from jenn, 106 chars, Sat Feb 10 17:59:25 1990
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\nWell, it didn’t. Steve had comm problems and got blown
\noff twice. We should be able to re-schedule RSN.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #262, from davemackey, 359 chars, Sun Feb 11 08:11:11 1990
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\nTITLE: Warner Repricings
\nIn honor of Bugs’ 50th birthday, Warner Home Video is cutting the prices of
\nits video programs of Warner Bros cartoons. All five features will be
\n$19.98 and all 24 compilations (encompassing the Golden Jubilee, Cartoon
\nCavalcade and Looney Tunes Video Show series) will be $12.98 as of March 28.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #263, from davemackey, 1198 chars, Thu Feb 15 03:55:30 1990
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\nTITLE: Did you see?
\nThere was an interesting ad in the Philadelphia edition of TV GUIDE advertising
\na collection of cartoons, six hours worth, for $9.95 plus $4 shipping and
\nhandling. Judging from the ad copy this appears to be the same ol’ public
\ndomain stuff we’re used to. The art for the ad shows Bugs Bunny (in what looks
\nlike a still from FALLING HARE), Porky Pig (ditto PORKY’S ANT), and Mighty
\nMouse (a stock pose) with no reference made to the characters’ ownership.
\nNow this brings up some curious points:
\n(1) The implication is that all six hours worth of cartoons are on
\none six-hour VHS tape. Even “meticulously transferred” cartoons
\nlose a little lustre in the EP mode.
\n(2) Is $4 out of line for shipping one VHS tape within the continental
\nU.S.?
\n(3) Can they get away with depicting these characters who are still
\nprotected by copyrights (Warner Bros. and Viacom are the involved
\nparties)?
\n(4) Anyone wanna bet the most ubiquitous p.d. cartoon of all time,
\nYANKEE DOODLE DAFFY is on the tape?
\nFor purposes of consumer information, I have placed an order for said
\ncollection and will report back.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #264, from davemackey, 151 chars, Thu Feb 15 03:56:58 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 262.
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\n….of course, this makes the Time-Life offer somewhat ridiculous since
\nyou can pay less for ’em off the shelf.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #265, from hmccracken, 1016 chars, Thu Feb 15 18:40:45 1990
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\nTITLE: May I Have the Envelope, Please…
\nThe Oscar nominations are out, and for once an animated film is actually
\nnominated in some of the major categories. The film is _The Little
\nMermaid_, and the categories are Original Score (for Alan Menken’s music),
\nand Best Song (for both “Kiss the Girl” and “Under the Sea.”) Since two
\nsongs were nominated, I suppose that adds up to three nominations —
\nnot bad.
\nThe Best Animated Short Film nominations went to _The Hill Farm_,
\n_Cow_, and _Balance_; the first is a pretty good little film, the second
\nseems to me not at all deserving of even the nomination, and I haven’t
\nseen the third. This is the first time in several years that no computer-
\nanimated film got a nomination, I think (well, maybe not — I don’t know
\nif ne was nominated in 1987). I’m surprised that John Lasseter’s _Knick-
\nknack_, which I prefer to either of the two nominees I’ve seen, wasn’t
\nnominated, and Pacific Data Images’ _Locomotion_ would have been another
\nworthy choice.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #266, from rgswartz, 253 chars, Thu Feb 15 20:24:04 1990
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\n_The Hill Farm_
\nWas that the one w\/ the BIG bear, tourists w\/ cameras, hunters, shepard, etc.?
\nIf that’s the one, I like it, but thought it stretched on a little.
\nThe names of the other two don’t ring any bells though. Can you describe
\nthem a little?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #267, from jshook, 111 chars, Thu Feb 15 22:19:19 1990
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\nI found The Hill Farm absolutely bewildering. I couldn’t
\nfigure out what it was about. And then it was over.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #268, from hmccracken, 381 chars, Thu Feb 15 22:25:02 1990
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\n_Cow_ is a Paul Driessen film, in his typically weird, blobby, gross style.
\n(Can you tell I’m not a big Driessen fan?) The other film title is not
\nfamiliar to me, and none of the listings I’ve seen gives the
\nname of the director.
\n(Incidentally, _Rarg_, which played in the recent _Animation
\nCelebration_ movie is another film very worthy of an Oscar
\nnomination.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #269, from hmccracken, 696 chars, Thu Feb 15 22:29:52 1990
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\nI believe that it is in theory legal for the PD tape people to put an
\nillustration of a copyrighted character on their tape box, as long
\nas the picture is taken directly from one of the films on the tape.
\nWhich is why these tapes usually have a note stating that this is the
\ncase somewhere on the box.
\nMost PD tapes are of bad prints, poorly reproduced at less-than-
\noptimal tape speed. This is occasionally acceptable if the cartoons on
\nthe tape are rare stuff; for the Warner stuff that’s available everywhere
\nit isn’t. Incidentally, there are two quite good Betty Boop PD tapes
\navailable at Woolworths and elsewhere that are excellent values for the
\n$10 or less they cost.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #270, from davemackey, 628 chars, Fri Feb 16 04:57:36 1990
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\nHarry–
\nThe only good thing about the PD tapes is that it does enable one to
\nacquire cartoons that aren’t available elsewhere. It’s the only place
\nyou can find the work of Ub Iwerks’ studio and some of the more obscure
\nFamous Studios stuff that doesn’t get shown on television. The quality can
\nbe horrid — I’ve seen some real butcher jobs on Warner’s cartoons.
\nAnd most of the material doesn’t change from manufacturer to manufacturer,
\nwhich explains the ubiquity of that Daffy Duck cartoon I mentioned.
\nNevertheless, I’ll check out this 50 for 9.95 deal and let you know what’s
\non it.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #271, from davemackey, 575 chars, Fri Feb 16 05:01:32 1990
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\nTITLE: End of a Tradition
\nThis is sad news. It’s been announced that Jack McCarthy has resigned as
\ntelevision host of the St. Patrick’s Day Parade in New York City after over
\nforty years in the role.<\/p>\n

What does this have to do with animation? In my youth (and many other people’s
\nyouth) McCarthy hosted Popeye cartoons on Channel 11 and was right up there
\nwith the other beloved hosts of our youth, Officer Joe Bolton, God rest his
\nsoul, and Beachcomber Bill Beary among many many others.<\/p>\n

May the road rise up to meet ya, Captain Jack.<\/p>\n

–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #272, from hmccracken, 986 chars, Fri Feb 16 18:36:44 1990
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\nThanks for the news, Dave. I have heard so many people speak wistfully of
\nOfficer Joe Bolton that I would like to know more about him. The cartoon
\nhosts of my youth (in Portland) — Ramblin’ Rod, Rusty Nails, Mr. Duffy,
\net al — were much talked about but not particularly beloved as far as I
\ncan remember. (If any Portlanders are reading this, I would be interested’
\nin knowing if Ramblin’ Rod is still around, incidentally.)
\nThe best cartoon hosts I know of were Des Moines’s Duane and Floppy —
\nDuane being a man and Floppy his dog puppet. They were actually witty,
\nand in later years Duane took to givng quite scholarly comments on cartoons,
\nwith knowledge clearly derived from _Of Mice and Magic_. Duane was a Des
\nMoines fixture for several decades — mostly daily, only on weekends at the
\nend. I was genuinely shaken and personally saddened when I heard of his
\ndeath — one of the handful of times that has ever happened to me over the
\ndeath of a celebrity.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #273, from bsoron, 215 chars, Fri Feb 16 21:09:07 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 269.
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Do any of the Boop tapes have the Cab Calloway live\/animated Bettys?
\nI’ve seen most BB cartoons many times over the years, but I don’t
\nremember the last time I saw the ones with Calloway, whom I’m a big
\nfan of.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #274, from hmccracken, 233 chars, Fri Feb 16 22:08:05 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 273.
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\nThere are two excellent authorized Boop videotapes from Republic video, and
\none or the other of these has the Cab Calloway cartoons. Beware, though,
\nof other Republic tapes that include the awful recolored Betty cartoons.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #275, from switch, 157 chars, Sat Feb 17 07:29:19 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 265.
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\nUnfortunately, of the three nominees, I’ve only seen “The Hill Farm”, which
\nI always enjoy watching again and again. I prefer it greatly over
\n“KnickKnack”.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #276, from switch, 67 chars, Sat Feb 17 07:30:01 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 266.
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\n>_The Hill Farm_
\n>Was that the one w\/ the BIG bear…<\/p>\n

You got it.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #277, from switch, 169 chars, Sat Feb 17 07:31:48 1990
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\nPaul Driessen has only made a few films that I really liked — one was
\n“Elephantrio”, and the other two’s names I’ve forgotten (ah, well ;).<\/p>\n

Wasn’t “Rarg” made in ’88?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #278, from switch, 71 chars, Sat Feb 17 07:33:06 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 274.
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\nO goody! I loved the rotoscoped Calloway performance in “Snow White”.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #279, from hmccracken, 21 chars, Sat Feb 17 11:05:58 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 277.
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\nMaybe so.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #280, from switch, 248 chars, Sat Feb 17 20:35:26 1990
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\nTITLE: Animation CBIX
\nThis Wednesday, we’re going to have our first informal real-time chat in
\nanimation\/cbix, at 9pm EST. C’mon in and join us; the topic of conversation
\nis open and the cheese on the nachos will be less than a year old. Really.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #281, from rgswartz, 50 chars, Sat Feb 17 21:29:04 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 280.
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\nThank you for not making that message a bulletin!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #282, from jenn, 145 chars, Sat Feb 17 21:53:31 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 281.
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\nWell, Rich, would it comfort you to know that I have already
\nset a bulletin to start monday evening?
\nWhat’s wrong with bulletins, eh? \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #283, from jshook, 298 chars, Sat Feb 17 22:22:50 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 282.
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\nWhat’s wrong with bulletins: is that you have to read them again
\nand again and again and again and again. They are never marked
\nas read, not even in each of the many many many conferences in
\nwhich they appear. I must have read the Steve Segal bulletin
\napproximately 30 times. 29 times too many.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #284, from rgswartz, 194 chars, Sat Feb 17 22:39:11 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 282.
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\nI guess it does make sense if you want a reminder. The b*tch is that
\nif you try to break in the middle of it you get popped to back at top :
\nI’m just impatient I guess. I’ll live w\/ it. :]<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #285, from jenn, 935 chars, Sat Feb 17 22:39:14 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 283.
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\nWell, James, the only excuse I can give, is that the
\nmoderator bulletin commands are NOT user friendly.
\nThey are hard to get used to. As a result, you end
\nup showing a bulletin again and again and again in the
\nbeginning. Or, you end up not having a bulletin show
\nup at all. Or…..it’s very confusing the first couple
\nof times you post a bulletin.<\/p>\n

I too get bugged when I see a bulletin every time I log
\non. The first bulletin I posted ended up showing
\nto every newcomer to sf for about 4 months after
\nI posted it (and it was a timely event type bulletin, of
\nno use 4 months later). Someone FINALLY sent me mail (which
\neither tells me that there were no new members in those
\n4 months, or people didn’T want to point out a faux pas…:-)
\nand told me that I might want to take a look at that bulletin.
\nI then went into the bulletin system, and tried to figure
\nout what to do. I finally have it figured out. But it
\nwasn’t easy.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #286, from jimomura, 495 chars, Sun Feb 18 00:08:20 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 285.
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\nUh Jenn, the bulletin system has an option to only be
\nseen by a reader once. That should always be the option used
\nby the person posting the bulletin. At least that’s my own
\nopinion. There are some bulletins that warrant being seen
\nmore than once, but they’re rare. The bulletin about BIX
\nnot being available for a whole day due to maintenance is
\none that I feel is acceptable for reminders of that frequency.
\nOr actually, I’m not sure I feel that those are a bad move
\nin that context.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #287, from switch, 131 chars, Sun Feb 18 01:53:10 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 281.
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\nUm, well, I hate to tell ya, but I re-read some old BIXmail and it seems you
\n_will_ get that as a bulletin. You Have Been Warned.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #288, from hmccracken, 167 chars, Sun Feb 18 10:09:43 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 283.
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\nGee whiz, that Steve Segal bulletin was set to pop up once each day for
\nfour days — which is how often I saw it. Admittedly, this may still
\nbe too often.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #289, from jenn, 50 chars, Sun Feb 18 12:34:12 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 286.
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\nYeah, I know that now!!
\nI agree with you.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #290, from jenn, 235 chars, Sun Feb 18 12:37:28 1990
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\nWhat’s too often and what isn’t? I’ve set up a
\nbulletin for Wednesday’s session that starts monday
\nand ends wednesday. I don’t see a problem with a bulletin
\nshowing 3 times, or 4. But…maybe some other folks
\ndon’t agree with that?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #291, from rgswartz, 83 chars, Sun Feb 18 15:40:11 1990
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\nIt shows up more often than that (I believe) when you log on more than once
\na day.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #292, from jenn, 328 chars, Sun Feb 18 17:25:45 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 291.
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\nIt shouldn’t Rich. It should only come up once a
\nday. Not once a log on.
\nWe have three options to choose from, once every log on,
\nonce a day, or once a week. The only way we can manipulate
\nwhen it shows is the release date of the bulleting.
\ner, bulletin. But, how much is enough? How much is too little?
\nThat’s a toughie..<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #293, from jenn, 69 chars, Sun Feb 18 17:27:34 1990
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\nExcuse me, we don’t have a once a week option. It’s
\ndisplay once.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #294, from wablock, 74 chars, Sun Feb 18 18:13:03 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 293.
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\nSo why not use the “display once” option rather than “once a day” option?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #295, from jimomura, 336 chars, Sun Feb 18 20:51:52 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 294.
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\nAs I see it, the vast majority of bulletins should only be
\nset to be displayed once per person. If the information is important
\nto the person they can look it up in the old bulletin topic.
\nThat was the idea behind the system. Only *very* exceptional
\nbulletins should be set to be seen more than once. But it’s
\na judgement call.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #296, from jenn, 175 chars, Mon Feb 19 01:35:53 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 294.
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\nThat’s a good point.
\nNow that I know that ‘display once’ stays indefinitely, I
\ncan go into the bulletin command and delete it after
\nthe special cbix event it advertised….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #297, from jshook, 67 chars, Mon Feb 19 22:35:58 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 288.
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\n4 days * (however many different conferences it was posted in) = ?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #298, from davemackey, 436 chars, Tue Feb 20 06:50:56 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 272.
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\nJoe Bolton was a policeman type who hosted showings of the old Our Gang
\ncomedies on a set that looked like a police precinct. He also hosted the
\nThree Stooges and was always sure to tell his young charges not to try
\nany of the Stooges slapstick. He died about two or three years ago.
\nThe grapevine says that McCarthy may be replaced on the parade
\ntelecast by Ed Herlihy, the old Kraft announcer.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #300, from davemackey, 132 chars, Tue Feb 20 21:18:44 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 257.
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\nThought: might Michael Patterson be related to the legendary Patterson
\nbrothers, Don and Ray?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #301, from richard.pini, 69 chars, Thu Feb 22 21:30:42 1990
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\nOhmyghod! Officer Joe Bolton. I haven’t heard that name in… *snif*<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #302, from davemackey, 282 chars, Fri Feb 23 06:12:49 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 301.
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\nHi, Richard… haven’t seen you since the old days over on CI$… seems I’m
\nnot the only one who misses Officer Joe, the man who stood for law and order in
\nthe days when New York City wasn’t quite as insane as it is now. Thx for
\nthe note..
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #303, from hmccracken, 1243 chars, Fri Feb 23 19:21:45 1990
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\nTITLE: Cereal Commercials Volume II: Famous Animated Flakies…
\nis a weird videotape that will bore or bewilder most viewers, but lovers
\nof obscure animation (like me) wil probably go ga-ga over it. It’s
\nan hour-long collection of — as the name suggests — animated
\ncereal commercials, primarily from the 1950s and 1960s. (There
\nare around seventy spots in all.)
\nIt’s a lot of fun to trace the differences that evolve, for
\ninstance, in “Cheerios Kid” commercials that range over twenty
\nyears; the Kid and other characters like the Trix Rabbit are
\nextremely long-lived creations, even though nobody pays any
\nattention to them in a historical or scholarly way. About the
\nonly major gap in the tape’s selection is that it doesn’t have
\nany Jay Ward Cap’n Crunch commercials. It does include many
\nother Ward commercials, a lot of which are almost as good as any
\nof his shows. And there is a Tony the Tiger ad from 1964 on the
\ntape that’s remarkably well-written and animated.
\nObviously, this is a tape for completists only, but completists
\naren’t going to want to live without it. It’s available from
\nWhole Toon Access; the tape itself doesn’t seem to list a manufacturer,
\nalthough one Ed Finn takes copyright credit.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #304, from morganfox, 37 chars, Fri Feb 23 20:30:58 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 303.
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\nWhat!!???! No Cap’n Crunch!! heresy!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #305, from davemackey, 187 chars, Sat Feb 24 04:53:46 1990
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\nWhat makes it all the worse is the dreck that passes for Cap’n Crunch commercials
\ntoday. The late Messrs. Ward and Butler are particularly missed!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #306, from davemackey, 518 chars, Sat Feb 24 05:00:01 1990
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\nI know for a fact that the ad agencies who produced these commercials drew
\nupon the talents of several particularly well-known animators on both
\ncoasts, so we could be looking at the works of some of the greats on this
\ntape you speak of. Someone should put out a tape of animated commercial
\nclassics with the Ajax Elves, Bert & Harry, etc. It’s amazing what guys
\nlike Culhane, Avery, Deitch et. al. were capable of doing when their only
\nartistic motivation was to support themselves.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #308, from hmccracken, 182 chars, Sat Feb 24 10:48:51 1990
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\nI spoke recently with Doug Ranney of The Whole Toon Catalog, who says that
\nthere will be some new tapes of classic animation commercials in the next
\nedition. Good news!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #309, from hmccracken, 850 chars, Sat Feb 24 10:55:06 1990
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\nWell, the standards for animated commercials have gone down a great deal
\nover the past couple of decades, as the commercials tape makes clear.
\nThe Ward commercials, and the best commercials by other studios, are
\nfunny, well-designed, and remarkably irreverent at types towards the
\nproduct — and all this when they’re usually for children’s products.
\n(They also have the luxury of usually being a minute long, which lets
\nthem do something besides SELL, SELL, SELL, as today’s 30-second and
\n15-second spots must do.)
\nThere aren’t many genuinely funny animated ads on today, but the
\nartistic standards do seem to be going up a bit…There is a recent
\nTrix commercial that’s clearly an attempt to return to the days of yore:
\nit’s a minute long and beautifully animated in a new wave\/old-timey style
\nreminiscent of the new Mighty Mouse cartoons.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #310, from hmccracken, 771 chars, Sat Feb 24 10:59:04 1990
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\nTITLE: Speaking of commercials…
\nI have seen a Richard Williams demo tape, made mostly of commercials, that
\nis one of the finest demonstrations of a startling array of artistic
\ntechniques by one animation studio that I’ve ever seen anywhere. One
\nof the ads is a British floor-covering spot done in a pseudo-Tom and Jerry
\nstyle that is a clear ancestor of Williams’s work for Who Framed Roger
\nRabbit, and probably even better done.
\nCommercials by the Williams studio do turn up on U.S. tv, but much of
\nits work is done for British and German tv — meaning we don’t get to see
\nsome of the best animation being done anywhere. There are also a legion
\nof small studios in London that have sprung from the Williams studio,
\nalso doing fine work for tv ads.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #311, from davemackey, 169 chars, Sun Feb 25 04:19:22 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 308.
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\nIt just so happened that my brother was looking for the cereal commercial
\ntape, so once again, bix\/animation comes through. Thanks, Har!
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #312, from davemackey, 461 chars, Sun Feb 25 11:04:32 1990
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\nTITLE: Obituary
\nNorm Blackburn, who was an animator for Harman-Ising, Ub Iwerks and Walt
\nDisney who later became a programming executive with NBC, died on Wednesday
\nat the age of 86.
\nAfter his animation career ended, Blackburn branched out into
\ncomedy writing, and his credits there included “Kraft Music Hall,”
\n“Charlie McCarthy\/Edgar Bergen” and “Lux Radio Theater.” He was also a
\nstaff writer for Hal Roach Studios.
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #313, from hmccracken, 161 chars, Sun Feb 25 11:15:22 1990
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\nThanks for the obituary, Dave. Norm Blackburn’s name is certainly familiar
\nto me from old Harman-Ising credits, but I didn’t know a thing about him.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #314, from hmccracken, 1309 chars, Sun Feb 25 11:25:16 1990
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\nTITLE: Cultoons Volume 2…
\nis another videotape for fanatical completists like myself. It’s a selection
\nof old, very rare animated films, with an emphasis on commercial work;
\nthe lineup includes _Winky the Watchman_, a film made by Hugh Harman in
\nthe late 1940s to promote dental care, _The Microbe Army_, a 1930s UB
\nIwerks cartoon about health care, and _Duck and Cover_, a 1950s civil
\ndefense film which, while mostly live-action, is an absolutely fascinating
\ncultural artifact, with its instructions to kids on how to dive under their
\nschool desk and crouch in case of a nuclear attack.
\nAlso on the tape are a very rare “Gran’pop” cartoon from a three-cartoon
\nseries about an elderly monkey from the late 1930s; “Monkey Doodle,” an
\nabsolutely bizzare cartoon so obscure that nobody knows what studio did it;
\nand an advertising film in which fuzzy wuzzy little animals cheerfully down
\nPM blended whisky. There are also a couple of other films. If all this
\nsounds as enticing to you as I found it, you shouldn’t hesitate to order the
\ntape — which is put out by Snazzy Video and available from the Whole Toon
\nCatalog. There is another volume of Cultoons, which I have on order and
\nwill report on when I’ve seen it. If anything, it sounds rarer and more
\nwonderfully weird than volume 2.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #315, from davemackey, 293 chars, Mon Feb 26 06:44:26 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 314.
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\nThe Gran’pop Monkey reel was produced by Ub Iwerks in the late 1930’s
\nduring his association with Charles Mintz. (see OF MICE AND MAGIC, 2nd
\nedition, p. 196); three such cartoons were made but whether or not they
\nwere released theatrically is up in the air.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #316, from hmccracken, 641 chars, Mon Feb 26 21:48:07 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 314.
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\nGee whiz…I watched the Gran’pop cartoon with a friend yesterday, and to
\nrefresh our memories on the subject we consulted the Maltin book and its
\nsomewhat vague information on the series. (This was the first edition
\nwe looked at; the second has a bit more to say.)
\nI am in no way doubting that Iwerks was involved when the series
\nwhen I say that it bears no resemblance whatsoever to any other Iwerks
\ncartoon I’ve ever seen. I suppose he was in a supervisory, distanced
\nrole of some sort. The only name on the print I saw wasn’t Iwerks —
\nit was, I think, presented by one Dave Biedermann, whoever he might have
\nbeen.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #317, from hmccracken, 507 chars, Fri Mar 2 21:39:53 1990
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\nIf anyone wants to receive a copy of the excellent animation catalog,
\nTHE WHOLE TOON CATALOG, feel free to BIXmail me with your name
\nand address, and I will add them to a list of animation fans I’ll
\nbe sending the folks who put out the catalog shortly, after which
\nyou’ll receive it on a quarterly (I think) basis.<\/p>\n

You can give them a call or write them yourself to get it too, of
\ncourse, but this way is a wee bit easier.
\n— Harry
\n(And I do recommend you get the catalg one way or another; it’s great.)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #318, from hkenner, 63 chars, Fri Mar 2 21:42:21 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 317.
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\nHugh Kenner
\n103 Edgevale Rd.,
\nBaltimore, MD 21210.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #319, from jshook, 1374 chars, Fri Mar 2 23:15:06 1990
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\nTITLE: Reading Suggestion
\nAnimation fans will be amused by a short story by Ian Frazier which can
\nbe found in the Feb. 26 issue of The New Yorker (it’s the cover with
\nEustace Tilley that appears every year at this time–“The Beau and the
\nButterfly” as Nabokov put it in a thinly-disguised reference to the
\nmagazine).
\nThe story is called “Coyote V. Acme” and is the opening statement by
\nthe attorney representing “Wile E. Coyote, plaintiff” in suit against
\n“Acme Company” for “…compensations for personal injuries, loss of
\nbusiness income, and mental suffering caused as a direct result of the
\nactions and\/or gross negligence of said company, under Title 15 of the
\nUnited States Code, Chapter 47, section 2072, subsection (a), relating
\nto product liability.”
\nNot for the weak of stomach, these injuries are described in clinical
\ndetail:
\nRepetition of blows along a vertical axis produced a
\nseries of regular horizontal folds in Mr. Coyote’s
\nbody tissues–a rare and painful condition which
\ncaused Mr. Coyote to expand upward and contract
\ndownward alternately as he walked, and to emit an
\noff-key, accordian-like wheezing at every step.
\nThe distracting and embarrassing nature of this
\nsymptom has been a major impediment to Mr. Coyote’s
\npursuit of a normal social life.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #320, from davemackey, 112 chars, Sat Mar 3 06:10:14 1990
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\nYou already have my address, Harry, so send the flippin catalogue already!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #321, from davemackey, 312 chars, Sat Mar 3 06:13:19 1990
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\nI would have to imagine if Mr. Coyote would actually have his day in court…
\nsounds like something he’d do…. naah, likely, Mr. C would not pour his time
\nand money in a court case unless and until he caught the Road Runner.
\nBut thanks for the tip — will check it out.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #322, from jshook, 71 chars, Sat Mar 3 09:26:49 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 321.
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My theory is that Mr. Coyote has fallen into the hands of a
\nshyster.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #323, from bsoron, 240 chars, Sat Mar 3 11:48:46 1990
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One of the best things on Nickelodeon are the Acme ads in the interview
\nstyle, where Acme “employees” discuss the services they’re able to provide
\nfor their clients. I’ve seen a couple with Wile E. and one with Sylvester.
\nFunny stuff!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #324, from wablock, 132 chars, Sat Mar 3 22:48:14 1990
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\nThose Acme ads were the best thing I’ve seen on TV in a long time!<\/p>\n

And I’m surprised that R. Runner wasn’t named as a plaintiff…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #325, from davemackey, 329 chars, Sun Mar 4 00:00:05 1990
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\nAs banal as some of the MTV Networks promotion of the Looney Tunes shows
\nis, the Acme employees spots were quite good.
\nThis whole thing — translation of cartoon concepts to other “serious”
\nforms of expression — reminds me of that “Krazy Kat” novel that was out
\na few years ago…
\n–Davenatz<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #326, from wablock, 292 chars, Sun Mar 4 03:34:49 1990
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\nI particularly liked the Acme spots because they made such a big hole in the
\nAT&T commercials they spoofed, and I like anything that lets the air out of
\nAT&T. The Acme commercials had a much better concept than the similar ones
\ndone on Saturday Night Live (the bank that just makes change).<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #327, from tom.white, 215 chars, Sun Mar 4 04:46:42 1990
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\nI’ve read a Wile E. vs. Acme before, I think it was in National Lampoon a
\nfew years ago. The decision went against Our Hero, as all trauma
\nwas caused by his own incompetence during operation of the Acme products.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #328, from jshook, 17 chars, Sun Mar 4 17:00:03 1990
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\nDid you read it?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #329, from jshook, 90 chars, Sun Mar 4 17:01:32 1990
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\nRetrial! Retrial!
\nWonder who was on the jury….I can picture Offisa Pup as the bailiff.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #330, from hkenner, 56 chars, Sun Mar 4 18:26:46 1990
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\nI wonder if they know about that one at the New Yorker.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #331, from bsoron, 437 chars, Sun Mar 4 22:28:46 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 328.
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I read it, thought it was OK. I’ve got a lot of affection for the
\nsurreal (which is why I’m glued to Nick at Night for Green Acres every
\nnight), so I didn’t mind the author taking the liberties he did. (And
\nany book set within walking distance of my apartment is OK by me. \ud83d\ude42
\nI read it a few years ago, so most of my reaction has faded in my
\nmemory. I didn’t enjoy it as much as I do reprints of Herriman’s work,
\nbut I liked it.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #332, from mrodwell, 165 chars, Tue Mar 6 04:40:17 1990
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\nTITLE: GRASP
\nDoes anyone know anything about GRASP Version 3.1 by Paul Mace.
\nI’d be interested to hear opinions. Thanks in advance,
\nMarianne Rodwell<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #333, from hmccracken, 222 chars, Tue Mar 6 18:25:51 1990
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\nI haven’t used GRASP, but there is a demo disk available called
\n“The Adventures of Ferguson Floppy” that shows off the package’s
\ncapabilities. I believe the disk is available from Paul Mace
\nSoftware for free.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #334, from davemackey, 657 chars, Thu Mar 8 22:25:51 1990
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\nAs I posted a week ago, Harman-Ising animator Norm Blackburn
\ndied recently at the age of 86. Herewith are his screen credits for
\nWarner Bros. cartoons. He shared credit with either Isadore (Friz)
\nFreleng or Rollin (Ham) Hamilton in all cases.<\/p>\n

HOLD ANYTHING (10\/30, with Freleng)
\nAIN’T NATURE GRAND (2\/31, with Freleng)
\nYODELING YOKELS (5\/31, with Hamilton)
\nLADY PLAY YOUR MANDOLIN (8\/31, with Hamilton)
\nYOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE DOIN’ (10\/31\/31, with Freleng)
\nBUDDY’S FOX HUNT (12\/12\/31, with Hamilton)
\nPAGAN MOON (1\/23\/32, with Hamilton)
\nBOSKO’S DOG RACE (6\/25\/32, with Hamilton)
\nRIDE HIM BOSKO (9\/17\/32, with Freleng)
\nBEAU BOSKO (7\/1\/33, with Hamilton)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #335, from hmccracken, 180 chars, Fri Mar 9 00:15:47 1990
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\nExcellent, Dave…
\nIncidentally, Hal Ambro, who worked at Disney and Hanna-Barbera, as well
\nas on Richard Williams’s _Raggedy Ann and Andy_, passed away recently also.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #336, from hmccracken, 1045 chars, Fri Mar 9 00:20:35 1990
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\nTITLE: Warner Bros. fans, be aware…
\nthat the venerable Bugs Bunny comic strip has recently undergone a change
\nof creators, and is *excellent*! The art is a terrific recreation of the
\n1940s and 1950s Warner style, and the gags are quite good and very much
\nin character…and the characters involved are all the Warner Bros.
\nfavorites. After many decades of being a kind of blah, bland thing that
\nbore little resemblance to the cartoons, it’s suddenly something that
\nevery Warner Bros. fanatic will love.
\nThe art is by Darrell Van Citters (an ex-Disney animator), Brett Koth
\n(who also works on Garfield), and Shawn Keller (who animated on The Little
\nMermaid); among the writers is animation fan John Cawley. The strip,
\nunfortunately, is distributed by NEA, a syndicate which specializes in
\nselling to small, obscure newspapers, so it’s probably not in your
\nmetropolitan daily. But check out your suburban or rural paper for it —
\nI know that it’s in a number of Boston-area papers. And it’s definitely
\nworth searching for.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #337, from mscoville, 721 chars, Fri Mar 9 02:03:02 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 335.
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\nHarold (Hal) Ambro passed away February 1, l990. He joined Disney in
\n1939 and began his career there working on Fantasia. His other dDisney credits
\ninclude “Make Mine Music”, “Alice in Wonderland”,”Peter Pan”,”Lady and the T Tramp”,”101 Dalmations”, and “Gay Purr-ee”
\n. After drawing the”Sword and the Stone” he retired from Disny and then went to work for Hanna Barbera. Of note
\nhe did “Charlotte’s Web” and was supervising animator for “Heidi’s Song
\nin 1982. Until his retirement he taught at Cal Arts.<\/p>\n

Also, Henry Brandon passed away last month. He was a German born actor
\nwho came to the U.S. and started in the movies as an Indian. Of note to
\nanimation he was the animators model of Captain Hook. He was 77.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #338, from davemackey, 314 chars, Fri Mar 9 18:24:33 1990
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\nSounds great! Mr. Van Citters has a number of Warner Bros. credits as
\nwell so no question he knows how to draw the wabbit.
\nAnd, as with the more recent cartoons, it’s the animation historians
\nwho know more about how the characters should be treated. Best of luck
\nto them all.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #339, from hmccracken, 363 chars, Fri Mar 9 23:37:40 1990
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\nDarrell Van Citter’s most unusual credit may be that he was in charge of
\nanimation on the *original* version of _Who Framed Roger Rabbit_, which
\nDisney was working on in the mid 1980s, and which got shelved until
\nSpielberg picked it up. His designs and animation were quite different
\nfrom what reached the screen, but interesting in their own right.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #340, from bsoron, 155 chars, Sat Mar 10 00:51:58 1990
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Care to name a few of those Boston-area papers, Harry? We have ways
\nof making you talk… \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

Oh, for the days of the Menomonee Falls Guardian…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #341, from davemackey, 246 chars, Sat Mar 10 06:03:29 1990
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\nI remember reading that in the old Comics Scene, and have faint memories
\nof the “Who Censored Roger Rabbit” style Roger. Van Citters had sort of
\na falling out over at Disney’s, eventually (gossip gossip gossip)…
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #342, from hmccracken, 234 chars, Sat Mar 10 09:08:31 1990
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\nWell, there’s a paper called the News Tribune that carries it — and that
\npaper is one of a bunch of papers that are basically the same eccept for
\nlocal news for the particular city they cover. I think they all carry
\nit.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #343, from hmccracken, 386 chars, Sat Mar 10 09:11:41 1990
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\nWell, in the Darrell Van Citters gossip department, I had the rather sad
\nexperience of attending the San Diego Comics Convention in 1988 when
\nRoger Rabbit Mania was at its height, and having Darrell Van Citters
\npointed out to me standing across the room by a friend, but being told
\nthat he *did not like* talking about his experiences with the first
\nversion of Roger Rabbit.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #344, from hmccracken, 462 chars, Sat Mar 10 09:14:08 1990
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\nTITLE: Did-You-Know-Department
\nJerry Rees, an animation director who directed the fine little film _The
\nBrave Little Toaster_ and sume stuff for the Disney-MGM Studios Theme
\nPark is moving into live action by directing _The Marrying Man_, a new
\nNeil Simon film starring Kim Basinger and somebody else whom I forget.
\nRees joins a long line of cartoon people who have ventured out into live
\naction, the most notable of which was probably Frank Tashlin.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #345, from sharonfisher, 50 chars, Sun Mar 11 13:57:00 1990
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\nHas anyone else seen Twilight of the Cockroaches?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #346, from jenn, 85 chars, Sun Mar 11 15:53:16 1990
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\nKim Basinger? Oh yuck.<\/p>\n

Er, anyway, when is it due for release, do you know, Harry?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #347, from hmccracken, 108 chars, Sun Mar 11 16:57:18 1990
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\nI’m not sure when it’ll be out — I think it’s just filming now, so maybe
\nthe Fall or Christmas.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #348, from hmccracken, 300 chars, Sun Mar 11 16:59:11 1990
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\nTITLE: Just for the record…
\nthe list I was compiling of requests for The Whole Toon Catalog just got
\nfinished to send to the folks who publish it, so anybody with an interest
\nin the catalog should contact them directly. Check out the ‘sources’
\ntopic for their phone number and address.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #349, from jimomura, 69 chars, Sun Mar 11 19:50:00 1990
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\nI haven’t yet. It’s definitely become one of the “must” works.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #350, from richard.pini, 125 chars, Sun Mar 11 22:23:41 1990
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\nThe…Menomonee…Falls…Guardian…? Good Lord *choke*!<\/p>\n

“Those were the days, my friend, we thought they’d never end…”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #351, from bsoron, 91 chars, Mon Mar 12 19:27:09 1990
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I have. Wasn’t impressed. Or, I was impressed by the idea, but not
\nby the execution.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #352, from bsoron, 142 chars, Mon Mar 12 19:28:22 1990
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If nothing else, I’d love to see some enterprising publisher tackle
\nThe Complete Collected Conchy. Days like today, I could use a fix…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #353, from hmccracken, 432 chars, Mon Mar 12 21:04:49 1990
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\nOooh, another Conchy fan! One of the great underappreciated strips of the last
\ntwenty years. Do you have the two paperback reprint books (there may have been more,
\nbut I’ve only seen two)? James Childress was a fine cartoonist; who knows how
\nfar he might have gone if he hadn’t killed himself at a very young age.
\n— Harry
\n(Personally, my favorite Menomonee Falls Guardian strip was Gordo — also
\nin need of being collected.)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #354, from jshook, 68 chars, Tue Mar 13 09:38:51 1990
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\nI’ve seen the first half of it or so. Left sometime in the middle.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #355, from switch, 94 chars, Tue Mar 13 09:59:20 1990
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\nTITLE: So far I see…
\n…negative opinions about _Twilight of the Cockroaches_; any reasons?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #356, from sharonfisher, 210 chars, Tue Mar 13 10:21:58 1990
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\nGee, I liked it, especially compared to Laputa and Akira, my other
\nexperiences with Japanese animation. It had the usual problem I have —
\nit went on too long — but I noticed it less. The woman was *great*.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #357, from jimomura, 121 chars, Tue Mar 13 10:24:29 1990
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\nRe: “The woman was *great*.”<\/p>\n

Hmm. That’s interesting. Haven’t all the negative comments come
\nfrom male writers?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #358, from sharonfisher, 138 chars, Tue Mar 13 10:25:13 1990
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\nGiven the few people who’ve commented at all, and the gender breakdown
\non BIX anyway, I don’t think that’s statistically significant. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #360, from hmccracken, 719 chars, Tue Mar 13 18:41:41 1990
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\nTITLE: We’ve been discussing Darrell Van Citters’ work on the aborted
\noriginal version of _Who Framed Roger Rabbit_ here lately, as well as
\nthe new Bugs Bunny comic strip, and I’ve been bemoaning my lack of
\nknowledge about both of them. Oddly enough — and out of the blue —
\nI was today offered articles on both of them for the next issue of
\nmy animation magazine, Animato. The Bugs Bunny article will be by
\none of the strip’s writers; the Roger Rabbit piece will be by Darrell
\nVan Citters himself, who obviously is more willing to talk about it
\nthan I thought. (I do not know Mr. Van Citters, and the piece came
\nto me in a roundabout way.) These should both be in our June issue —
\nmore details later.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #361, from jshook, 359 chars, Tue Mar 13 20:55:34 1990
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\nBecause I didn’t like it?
\nI was interested at first in the combination of live-action and
\nanimation, which is done rather well. But after that, I became
\nrather bored with the film itself–bland characters, uninspired
\nanimation and a peculiar ideology behind it all. I found I had
\nno interest in how it was all going to come out and life is short
\nso I left.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #362, from bsoron, 203 chars, Tue Mar 13 21:50:08 1990
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Never liked Gordo; I’d put it at the level of “Rose is Rose,” myself.
\nI do have the two Conchy paperbacks in my mother’s attic, although they’ve
\nbeen on my list of Things To Dig Out for a while now.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #363, from bsoron, 432 chars, Tue Mar 13 21:55:49 1990
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I agree for the most part, although I didn’t notice any peculiar
\nideology. And I stuck all the way through. But I couldn’t help
\nbut notice the bland characters and uninspired animation. It also
\ncertainly was an ancient plot. I’m a bit surprised and offended
\nby the suggestion that I didn’t like it because it had strong female
\ncharacters, as if I couldn’t handle the thought that women can be my
\nequal or superior. Jeez…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #364, from hmccracken, 560 chars, Wed Mar 14 07:32:00 1990
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\nAck! Gordo on the level of Rose is Rose…You have deeply wounded me,
\nsir… I’d place it closer to Pogo or Li’l Abner.<\/p>\n

Seriously, I thought Gordo’s art was superb — at its end, it was
\nperhaps the last comic strip on the page to be a beautiful piece
\nof *design* — and the writing was often nearly as good. The strip
\nchanged a lot over the years; my favorite period was the 1950s.
\nI’ve often wondered what a Gordo cartoon directed by Chuck Jones
\nwould have been like. Arriola’s work reminds me of Jones’s stuff
\nboth visually and in its humor.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #365, from jimomura, 350 chars, Wed Mar 14 10:14:34 1990
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\nI didn’t say you might not like a “strong female character”.
\nFrankly, if you want to assume such, then I don’t care if you
\nare offended either. The thought I had was that what I as a male
\nmight find attractive, or interesting might not correspond to
\nwhat a female might find interesting to see in other woman.<\/p>\n

As always, read what I say.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #366, from hkenner, 160 chars, Wed Mar 14 13:44:44 1990
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\nWhen did it end? Used to run the the Santa BArbara News-Press, for
\na readership that was Mexico-conscious. Haven’t heard of it since
\nI came east in ’73.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #367, from hmccracken, 209 chars, Wed Mar 14 18:04:33 1990
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\nGordo was discontinued about three or four years ago, upon Arriola’s
\nretirement. It had sunk to a subscriber list of about thirty ot forty
\npapers — incredibly low for what was still a fine strip.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #368, from bcapps, 208 chars, Wed Mar 14 22:59:55 1990
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\nI remember Conchy! Wow. My hometown morning paper (Fayetteville (NC) Times
\n) used to run Conchy figures for the front page weather description for a
\nlo-o-ong time after his death. I miss that strip!<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #369, from richard.pini, 125 chars, Thu Mar 15 07:44:21 1990
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\nAgreed – it had, in a strange, gentle way, a lot of the surreal wackiness
\n(and I say that with only admiration) of Harriman.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #370, from hmccracken, 435 chars, Fri Mar 16 21:37:17 1990
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\nI would give anything if Fantagraphics or Kitchen Sink or seomebody reprinted
\nthe complete _Gordo_. The only two reprint books I have, _Gordo’s Cat_
\nand the recent _Gordo’s Pets_, as the titles suggest, cover only one
\naspect of the strip. (And one period: the 1970s and 1980s.) I have a
\ndecent-sized stack of Gordo Sundays purchased from a dealer, but they
\nare not particularly easy to read and more are hard to come by.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #371, from richard.pini, 124 chars, Fri Mar 16 22:15:18 1990
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\n::sitting here being very happy to have found a Gordo original Sunday page
\nof art at a comic convention once, long ago…::<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #373, from hmccracken, 161 chars, Fri Mar 16 22:19:43 1990
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\n:: Sitting here drooling, though Gordo originals are still fairly cheap and
\nI’ll probably snag one eventually… ::
\n(BTW, what period is yours from?)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #374, from dquick, 263 chars, Fri Mar 16 23:02:16 1990
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\nTITLE: Cheech Wizard
\nAnyone remember this strip? If so, can you tell me who did it, and if it is
\nstill being published anywhere? Was it something like Zap comics or something?
\nI seem to remember reading this in the early 70’s but it’s been a while.<\/p>\n

Dave Quick<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #375, from switch, 341 chars, Fri Mar 16 23:07:22 1990
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\nOh boy. The last time I saw good ol’ Cheech was in Epic magazine, some seven
\nyears back. That was what hooked me on Vaughn Bode oh-so-long-ago.
\n(Incidentally, there’s a relatively new Bode book out whose name I’ve
\nforgotten, but it’s impatiently waiting for me on reserve at Nebula, along
\nwith $75 of other SF\/animation merchandise…)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #376, from dquick, 90 chars, Fri Mar 16 23:44:13 1990
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\nVaughn Bode! Thanks Emru, I knew I’d recognize the name if I heard it again.<\/p>\n

Dave Quick<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #377, from hmccracken, 183 chars, Fri Mar 16 23:47:51 1990
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\nFor the record, Bode died fifteen or more years ago, in a meditation accident
\n(!?!) …Sort of the closest thing the comics world has to a Jimi Hendrix
\nor Janis Joplin…
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #378, from richard.pini, 473 chars, Sat Mar 17 08:11:23 1990
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\nThat was Vaughn Bode, who got Warholesque famous during the 70s for his
\nmany odd and sometimes very touching characters (recalling in particular a
\nseries of strips collected into an underground comic titled “The Man” about
\na caveman). He died in a bizarre accident involving meditation and some weird
\nharness… At any rate, his son Mark is carrying on, though not quite so
\nwell – Mark’s art style is 90% of his father’s, but Vaughn’s vision was
\nand is er, copy-protected.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #379, from richard.pini, 142 chars, Sat Mar 17 08:14:15 1990
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\nSeptember 11, 1960 – a strange little self-referential episode in which
\nthe animals discuss why there won’t be a joke in the strip that day.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #380, from grekel, 99 chars, Sat Mar 17 10:20:12 1990
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\nIf memory serves, Cheech also appeared in NatLamp’s “Heavy Metal” for
\na while in the early days…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #381, from bsoron, 1169 chars, Sat Mar 17 12:02:03 1990
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I’ve got darned few brushes with greatness, but plenty of near-misses,
\nand Vaughn Bode was one of them. Back at the ’77 Julycon, I believe,
\nBode was scheduled to do his cartoon show, which I believe essentially
\nconsisted of him showing transparencies of his strips on an overhead
\nprojector while he did the voices. It doesn’t sound like much as I
\ndescribe it, but it was very popular, and I was pretty psyched about
\nseeing it. To kill time before the show, I was wandering around the
\ndealers’ room, and passed by Bode’s table, staffed by his agent, I think,
\nwho was a friend of a friend of mine, someone I’d met a few times. “Say,
\nBob,” he says, “Can you do me a favor?” Whazzat? “I’ve gotta get over
\nand help Vaughn with the shCan you watch the table for me?”
\n“Well, I was really looking forward to seeing it myself…” “My
\npartner’s not here and I’ve gotta get over there.” Well, you can figure
\nout the rest. I was persuaded, the show went on, and Bode hanged himself
\nIa few weeks later. I kinda thought that maybe after the show, Bode might
\nstop back at the table, but no such luck, and I was wrong about there
\nbeing more chances to see the show…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #382, from richard.pini, 254 chars, Sat Mar 17 17:38:31 1990
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\nThose Seuling cons were great, though, weren’t they? As far as I am concerned,
\neven now, they were top cons. All the dealer room action you could stand, but
\nalso *good* programming and guest involvement – unlike other, more mercenary
\ncons now prevalent.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #383, from hmccracken, 296 chars, Sat Mar 17 18:22:10 1990
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\nPhil Seuling’s conventions certainly were excellent, and it is perhaps
\nsignificant that they did not outlive their founder. (My favorite
\nconvention of all time, though, was the 1976 Newcon here in Boston —
\nCarl Barks and John Stanley in person, for the first and almost-only
\ntimes!)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #384, from richard.pini, 151 chars, Sat Mar 17 20:52:02 1990
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\nI remember those too – when we lived there, Newcon was an annual staple! It
\nwas at one of them I (unwittingly) booted Al Williamson out of the room…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #385, from hmccracken, 195 chars, Sun Mar 18 00:43:29 1990
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\nAnd I recall you, too, Richard…From both the Newcons and (I believe)
\nthe Sunday Funnies shows…The Frank Thorne Red Sonja shows were one of
\nthe thins that made those shows special.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #386, from bsoron, 707 chars, Sun Mar 18 23:49:18 1990
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I guess the last out-of-Mass. con I went to was the ’82 or ’83
\nJulycon — whichever year Righetti pitched an Independence Day no-hitter
\nagainst the Sox. When my group went off to see the wiza — uh, fireworks,
\nsomeone near us had a radio and was updating the crowd as each Red Sox
\nbatter was put out. The crowd was very rowdy and I didn’t dare express
\nany pro-Sox sentiment. Haven’t returned to the city since.<\/p>\n

I haven’t gone to any local cons in a few years, mostly for the same
\nreasons I dropped out of CAPA-alpha and Interlac about the same time —
\nI owned everything I wanted, within reason, was trying to get rid of the
\nvery large amount I didn’t want, and had little to say about any of it.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #387, from bsoron, 757 chars, Sun Mar 18 23:54:48 1990
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The best convention I ever went to was Fireball ’78, a very small NY
\nconvention whose feature guest was Sheldon Mayer. I knew the con’s
\nsponsor, Ken Gale, and got to spend some time with Mayer thanks to him.
\nUnfortunately, I also had laryngitis that weekend — the only time I’ve
\never had it — but I didn’t mind listening.<\/p>\n

This might be the cynical, jaundiced view of a gafiate, but the golden
\nage for cons seemed to be the late ’70s. I’m sure that if I had been
\naround earlier, I’d be amazed at how money-grubbing they were even then,
\nbut the apa folks I hung around with in those days tended to blow off
\nthe dealer’s room and party. Geez, now I want to head over to my mother’s
\nhouse and dig out the reams of con reports from those two apas…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #388, from tom.white, 109 chars, Mon Mar 19 01:31:52 1990
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\nJuly 4, 1983, and it ended with Boggs _striking_out_!!!
\nHe never does that.<\/p>\n

Anyway, back to the topic….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #389, from hmccracken, 638 chars, Mon Mar 19 06:48:16 1990
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\nWhenever the golden age of comics conventions was, it doesn’t seem to be now.
\nThe guest lists are dull and limited in variety, and the dealer rooms are
\n90% new or very recent stuff, and 10% old, interesting stuff that nobody’s
\nbuying because the prices are so high. There’s not much joy to be found
\nat the places — which possibly is an accurate reflection of today’s comics
\nin general.<\/p>\n

The above comments don’t apply to the San Diego convention; the one I’ve
\nbeen to so far, in 1988, was excellent in every respect, and huge. Its
\nonly real flaw is that for some reason they choose to hold it 3,000 miles
\nfrom where I live.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #390, from dave.f, 802 chars, Mon Mar 19 14:45:39 1990
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\nre: I attended the Seuling cons from ’69 to
\n’75 without a miss. Great shows. One of those years, bsoron and I had a
\nrather infamous silly episode with toilet paper water bombs.<\/p>\n

I met Bode at one of the shows. Saw his slide show, too. It was classic. He
\nseemed such a down to earth guy that the circumstances of his death were quite
\na shock.<\/p>\n

At one of the cons Gray Morrow was selling off some of his private art
\ncollection in the auction. I got two framed pieces of Jack Gaughan work for
\n$25 for the pair. I think that was the minimum and noone bid against me. SF
\nart never sold well at comic cons, but I thought that was an absolute steal.
\nI made a comment to the crowd as I walked back to my seat to the effect of
\n“You just don’t know what you missed.”<\/p>\n

D=<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #391, from richard.pini, 658 chars, Mon Mar 19 17:45:36 1990
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\nTrue, true. There was a certain amount of spillover of SF and fantasy art in
\nthe comicon dealer rooms, and no one knew (well, he said with a smug grin,
\nalmost no one) how to deal with it, and so it often went real cheap. I was
\nnever one to buy as a dealer and\/or investor – mostly it was whatever I liked
\nthat I could afford (small overlap there!). Time has done the rest – though
\nI would never sell any of what I’ve bought over the years. (Can you believe
\ntwo Burne Hogarth 3×4 FOOT anatomical drawings from his life classes…for
\n$10. each at auction? YOu’re absolutely right – it makes one want to jump up
\nand say “You morons! Look what you passed up!!”)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #392, from richard.pini, 346 chars, Mon Mar 19 17:48:17 1990
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\nIt’s all relative, fellah…*I* feel the best cons were early 70s, and
\npretty well petered out when the Seuling cons died. After that there were
\nonly the Creation cons – mega-money oriented, and the big San Diego one,
\nwhich is too big, IMHO, to really enjoy. (Natch, I’m only talking comicons
\nhere; my experience with SF cons is less extensive.)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #393, from richard.pini, 280 chars, Mon Mar 19 17:52:28 1990
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\nWhere *we* live. I think this deserves a vote…<\/p>\n

San Diego’s problems (for me, anyway) are the same as the WorldCon’s – just
\ntoo doggone big to see the programming, do the dealer’s room(s), do business,
\nsocialize *and* (for me) run an expo booth! Something’s got to go, usually.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #394, from hmccracken, 358 chars, Mon Mar 19 18:04:50 1990
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\nAt the ’75 Seuling Convention’s auction, a cel from Disney’s _Aristocats_
\ncame up for bidding. There was no interest. A kid next to me urged me
\nto bid, and I did. I got the cel for $4, and the kid informed me that I
\nhad just made a steal — I was too naive to realize what a bargain I
\nhad gotten. Still the best buy I’ve ever made at a con.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #395, from bsoron, 816 chars, Mon Mar 19 19:54:06 1990
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I enjoyed the couple Chicago cons I went to back in the early ’80s, when
\nMike Gold was still involved with them; despite my joking about not
\nreturning to NY cons since the no-hitter, I just didn’t enjoy that last
\none I went to in ’83. Although I still buy a couple dozen new comics a
\nmonth, I can’t rationalize spending time or money buying old ones (except
\nfor the reprints of Little Nemo and Pogo); if anyone wanted to will me their
\ncopies of the issues of Sugar & Spike and Scribbly that I need, I wouldn’t
\nturn ’em down, but beyond that…<\/p>\n

Last night I did get over to my mother’s house and, while I didn’t find
\nmy Conchy books, I did find a ton of old fanzines. Don’t be surprised
\nif I try to sneak a classified past the Topic Police one of these days.
\nChances are I’ll reread ’em once and let ’em go.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #396, from bcapps, 1460 chars, Mon Mar 19 23:59:59 1990
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\nI haven’t really been to a big con. The one’s I got to were the little
\nmonthly dealers’ show in Detroit over the past five years. I thought
\nthere were too many of those for the Detroit market and it really killed
\ncon interest there.
\nI should take back my earlier statement. My wife and I did manage to get
\ndown to Atlanta for a fantasy fair in ’87, tho it wasn’t all comics. We
\nhave been planning to go to San Diego for awhile but work keeps getting in
\nthe way.
\nThe con I have enjoyed the most was one last year in Troy, MI, put on by
\nGreg Theakson of Pure Imagination. It was a 3-D con, so natch, Ray Zone
\nwas there and put on a neat slideshow of 3-D (RB analglyphs) images he
\nmade on his Amiga.(I think that’s wahat he said he used.) And I got a chance
\nto meet the King, Jack Kirby. Wow. That was nice.
\nOne other con I enjoyed was the Mid-Ohio-Con in 87. I got to meet Dave Sim
\nand get my Cerebus “phonebooks” auto’d. I wanted to get some of his &
\nGer’s art, but some lady who had apparently gotten a business loan or
\nsome big influx of $$$, kept outbidding everyone and I mean just about
\neveryone on everything! I mean, I just wanted one. I wasn’t going to be
\ntoo picky about it or anything, but I also wasn’t about to pay $250 bucks
\nto beat her bids either. It was fun meeting Dave and Ger, but the auction
\njust kinda left a bad taste in my mouth about some people with too much
\nmoney and not enough courtesy to fellow fans.<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #397, from mbrashier, 47 chars, Wed Mar 21 01:06:38 1990
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\nSo, how did you like the Atlanta Fantasy Fair?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #399, from hmccracken, 202 chars, Wed Mar 21 20:58:03 1990
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\nTITLE: Check out this month’s issue of _Premiere_ magazine…
\nfor an interesting short piece on Disney’s plans for a possible sequel
\nto _Mary Poppins_. (A really bad idea, if you ask me…)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #400, from bcapps, 525 chars, Thu Mar 22 01:17:33 1990
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\nIt was fun! I got to meet Bob Burden & Jean Giraud (Moebius) & pick up
\nthe ’67 paperback of Krazy Kat. Mind you, it’s my only _really_ big
\ncon, so I am apt to go off down superlative lane here…
\nThe big 2 reps were there as were a number of the indies. Deals were
\ngood (not like I was used to in Detroit). They had the standard line-up
\nof SF films Star Wars (IV, V, & VI) and the STTMP (I, II, III, IV).\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b
\nI would like to go again sometime when schedules allow. I always
\ndid like Atlanta.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #401, from richard.pini, 387 chars, Thu Mar 22 10:27:57 1990
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\nUnfortuntely, word is that the last couple of Atlanta Fantasy Fairs have gone
\n*way* downhill from those days (and I went to a bunch of them; they were right
\non up there with San Diego for me). Something about hassles with hotels and
\nlegal grumbles between two warring factions who run\/ran the conventions. It
\nis a d*mned shame, too, because AFF was one of the premiere multi-media cons.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #402, from bcapps, 361 chars, Fri Mar 23 01:40:03 1990
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\nThe one I went to was in the Omni (the CNN complex in downtown Atlanta)
\nand my wife was telling me about the previous ones and the trouble with
\nthe hotels and such. It is a shame though. She was also telling me about
\nhow the previous one faired what with WorldCon being held in Atlanta very
\nnear the same time. Something akin to a fan being in “Con” heaven.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #403, from mbrashier, 195 chars, Fri Mar 23 02:17:36 1990
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\nIt’s at the Hilton now and I had no problems with the hotel. They
\napparently had a lot of new people running the events and they did not go
\nsmooth at all. Also they dropped the general auction.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #404, from davemackey, 326 chars, Fri Mar 23 06:19:35 1990
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\nTITLE: Dan MacManus
\nVeteran Disney Studio animator Dan MacManus died on March 11
\nat the age of 90. Mr. MacManus was one of a separate unit of
\nanimators whose specialty was effects animation, which usually
\nmeant anything that wasn’t a character. He contributed to many
\nDisney features and short subjects throughout his career.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #405, from richard.pini, 615 chars, Fri Mar 23 11:14:14 1990
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\nTrue, but the only problem with *that* arrangement was that I heard so
\nmany people say they were going to stay away from Fantasy Fair and save their
\nsheckels for Worldcon, because it would be *too* good (read: expensive) to
\ngo to both. I have a suspicion the same thing will happen (though on a
\nsmaller scale) this year with the San Diego Comicon. The substitute World
\nSF con is also in San Diego, just a month later (the “real” one being in
\nHolland this year). I will go to Comicon for a few days to see friends and
\ndo business, but there’s no way I can justify 2 cross-country trips in one
\nmonth! The pain… \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #406, from hmccracken, 515 chars, Fri Mar 23 18:23:20 1990
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\nDisney aficionados in the Boston area should be aware that there will
\nbe a “Disneyana Colector’s Show and Sale” this weekend at the
\nDedham Holiday Inn, on Saturday from 5:00 to to 10:00 pm and on Sunday 
\nfrom 9:00 am til 4:00 pm. Gues will include Gary Wolf (who wrote the
\nnovel that _Who Framed Roger Rabbit_ was based on) and Disney
\nexpert Tom Tombusch. I attended a show put on by the same folks
\nduring the Summer, and it was quite nice, even though almost everything
\nwas out of my price range.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #407, from hmccracken, 691 chars, Fri Mar 23 18:34:33 1990
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\nThanks for the information, Dave. Do you know what his tenure at the studio
\nwas?<\/p>\n

Incidentally, and relating to effects animation, it’s nice to see that it’s one
\nof those rarest of artforms: one that seems to die but then suddenly
\nreturns to the pink of health. When Disney films had almost no effects
\nanimatin in the 1970s, I thought the craft was going to vanish. I think
\nwe have Don Bluth to thank for the fact that his films, and now Diseny’s,
\nare generally full of effects — lighting, water, sparkles, and so forth. In
\nfact, most of them have *too many* effects; they’ve got to learn a bit
\nof restraint. But it’s nice that they’re clearly capable of doing them,
\nanyway.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #408, from davemackey, 604 chars, Fri Mar 23 21:52:45 1990
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\nI only glanced at the obituary in Variety briefly at the book store, but I do
\nknow his name was on many of the shorts released in the 1940’s and 1950’s as
\nwell as some of the features of that period. I don’t even have enough info
\non the Disney shorts to offer a complete list of Mr. MacManus’ credits.
\nI believe that Disney and Warner’s were the only two studios during the
\ngolden age to give the effects animators proper credit. Disney primarily
\nhad Josh Meador and Mr. MacManus, while Warner’s had Ace Gamer through the
\n40’s and Harry Love in the 50’s and 60’s.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #409, from mscoville, 660 chars, Sun Mar 25 20:53:13 1990
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\nAccording to the Variety obituary column on Daniel MacManus, he worked for
\nDisney for 40 years. He started with Disney in 1935 after studying art in
\nMexico City. Mr. MacManus worked on the following:”Alice in Wonderland”,
\nFantasia,Peter Pan, The Lady and the Tramp, Sleeping Beauty, 101 Dalmations,
\nand The Jungle Book. He was known for his ability to create realistic effects
\nand reproduce nature in animation. Mr. MacManus, in 1956 worked on the MGM
\nlive action sci-fi classic “The forbidden Planet”. Of other note, he and his
\nbrother Louis conceived and designed the Emmy Award trophy for the Academy
\nof Television Arts and Sciences.
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\nanimation\/main #411, from davemackey, 346 chars, Mon Mar 26 23:57:06 1990
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\nTITLE: Local Boy Makes Good
\nFriz Freleng was back in his hometown of Kansas City over the weekend, being
\nhonored for his six decades of animation excellence by the Kansas City Museum.
\nFreleng told reporters that he’s presently working as a consultant to the
\n“Pink Panther” live action\/animation pilot for CBS.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #412, from davemackey, 409 chars, Tue Mar 27 00:46:06 1990
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\nTITLE: Da winner is…
\nAshman and Menken clean up at the Oscars. They win for the song “Under Da Sea”
\nand Menken for best original score for “The Little Mermaid.”<\/p>\n

I wish I could tell you what won for best Animated short, though, but I was
\nasleep during that portion of the program, and for that I am truly sorry.
\nI’m sure Harry or someone will cover my tail on this one.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #413, from switch, 155 chars, Tue Mar 27 01:28:58 1990
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\n“The Hill Farm” did, from what I gather. My mother caught it, and I had to
\nformulate that from what she told me.<\/p>\n

Apparently Bugs Bunny gave the award…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #414, from ewhac, 31 chars, Tue Mar 27 03:15:27 1990
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\nI thought Freleng was female.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #415, from wablock, 160 chars, Tue Mar 27 03:27:15 1990
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\nWhy? Because the I stands for Isadore? I saw him on a special that Disney
\nhad on their last free weekend deal; he looks like Roy Orbison without the
\nglasses.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #416, from jimomura, 285 chars, Tue Mar 27 09:48:29 1990
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\nNope. Not Hill Farm. It was something about “balance”. It didn’t
\nlook computer. It looked solid modelled. Mainly, it didn’t look good
\nenough to be computer, but it was 3D. If I find out it was computer
\nthen I’ll be disappointed, because I expect better from computer stuff.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #417, from jimomura, 1823 chars, Tue Mar 27 10:07:43 1990
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\nTITLE: Nelvana — Are They Really That Stupid?
\nLast night while flipping through news broadcasts (trying to avoid
\nwatching the Academy Awards, which pre-empted more than it was worth)
\nI heard one quote that really annoyed me. Nelvana is doing joint ventures
\nin France, which is smart, but in the report they quoted Nelvana as saying
\nthat they wanted to produce good quality work which they feel will sell
\nin place of “low quality Japanese animation” (I may have the wording
\nwrong, but that was the gist of it).<\/p>\n

I couldn’t believe the snivelling conceit of it. Nelvana should
\nbe so good as to have things to point to beyond “Babar”. Babar is
\na nice kiddy show. Very cute. It corresponds with what contemporary
\nparents think their kids should watch to grow up to become good people.
\nThey may find that they are wrong about this, but that’s besides the
\npoint. The animation is not wonderful. Characters and scenery tends
\nto be flat. The flip rate isn’t particularly high. All in all, as
\nanimation goes, it’s run-of-the-mill and maybe a cut above Hanna-Barbera
\nat best. The stories are nice if you believe that these are the type
\nof stories that are “good for kids.” Otherwise they are boring and
\nsoppy and not my idea of good writing. The voices, in keeping with
\nthe characters and stories are bland.<\/p>\n

I haven’t seen anything produced by Nelvana that rises far above
\nBabar. Where is artwork on the level of “Presence” or story telling
\nto match “Gundam” and “Z Gundam”? Where are the characters of the
\nrange and depth of “Amuro Lai” and “Char Asnable” and “Nausicaa”
\nand “Fuke Aroz” (Rook Bartley of Robotech) and “Hikaru Ichijo”
\n(Rick Hunter of Robotech)? Where is an semblance of the real world?<\/p>\n

Nelvana has some potential. But with thinking like theirs, they’ll
\nnever rise above Babar.<\/p>\n

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\nHill Farm was nominated, and at least some people really thought it was
\ngoing to win, but it didn’t.
\nYes, Bugs Bunny gave the award, and it was very cute. I wish they’d
\nshown clips of each of the nominees, though.
\nAnybody else see the dance to the Under da Sea song? The song wasn’t
\nthat great, but my God, what an athletic dance! It didn’t show very well on
\nthe TV, but I saw stuff that I expect to see in the men’s gymnastics in
\nthe Olympics. Choreographed by Paula Abdul.<\/p>\n

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\nI’ve always liked Nelvana for their older works — _The Devil and Daniel
\nMouse_, _A Cosmic Christmas_, _Rome-0 and Julie-8_, and particularly
\n_Rock and Rule_. _Rock and Rule_ has all the qualities I like about some
\nJapanese animations.<\/p>\n

OTOH, that denigration of anime is something I’ve heard over and over again,
\nand quite often by students in the animation program at Concordia (I’d
\nestimate it’s a 50-50 split between those who at least like it and those
\nwho think it’s garbage). Most of those who snub Japanese animation are
\neither referring to American shows which are animated in Japan, or to
\n_Grendizer_ or _Battle of the Planets_.<\/p>\n

You should have seen some of them shut up after we watched _Barefoot Gen_ in
\nour History of Animated Film class…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #420, from jimomura, 791 chars, Tue Mar 27 12:49:13 1990
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\nRe: Under the Sea Song
\nYeah. I saw that, and some other dance bits from the Academy
\nAwards. In general, some came off very well, but others didn’t.
\nThat’s sort of to be expected in a “one-off” production of this
\ntype. Broadway shows tend to change over time as people get a chance
\nto see the end product enough times to do some “tuning”. Actually,
\nthis is the function of “off Broadway”, but that’s all the same.<\/p>\n

This particular production came out overblown and “too busy”
\nvisually. The girls on the swings didn’t do anything but wave their
\ntails, and the guys on the swings were likewise just doing semi-random
\n“swimming” motions. The stuff on the ground level was sort of
\n“exuberant but trite”. I think I’d have preferred just seeing a
\nclip from the film with the song.<\/p>\n

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\nEven Rock and Rule wasn’t much more than “cute”. The rest,
\nI’ve never seen, except for short clips. Kiddy stuff all, which
\nagain, I don’t expect really rises above Babar for story content.
\nThey have yet to produce anything that I would point at and say
\n“I wish I’d done that!” That’s pretty much my standard of excellence.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #422, from switch, 197 chars, Tue Mar 27 13:06:25 1990
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\nOdd. _Rock and Rule_ is the _last_ Nelvana film I’d consider “cute”, although
\nI could say that about the others. In fact, there are some things in _R&R_
\nwhere I have said “I wish I’d done that!”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #423, from richard.pini, 1717 chars, Tue Mar 27 17:22:21 1990
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\nNelvana is a mindset as well as an animation company – I speak from experience.
\nBack in 1981 they optioned Elfquest as an animated feature. At that time, their
\nanimation on such things as “Romey-0 and Julie-8” and other holiday shorts
\nimpressed us as being a cut above what American companies, such as Filmation,
\nwere doing at the time. We thought that the stories were kind of simplistic
\nand not often 100% cohesive, but all we were after was the animation. We
\nfigured that since the story in Elfquest was already set down (and, IOHO,
\npretty good) the studio wouldn’t need to worry about that, and could put their
\neffort into the visuals. We discovered, however, that the triumverate of
\npeople at the top of Nelvana (we worked with Michael Hirsch most directly;
\nI’ve forgotten the other two and don’t know if all three are still there) had
\nand likely still has the attitude that they knew story better than anyone and
\nif they didn’t do it it wasn’t good. It was a very threegocentric attitude.
\nWhen we saw what they were planning to do with EQ, we got out of the option.
\n(Note to jimomura: No, we weren’t looking at Japanese animation at the
\ntime because what was available for our viewing was the Americanized imports,
\nand frankly we were not impressed. Since then we have had our horizons
\nbroadened considerably, with films like “Dagger of Kamui.” There are still
\nsome stylistic differences we’d have to compromise on, or learn to live with,
\nbut EQ could do a lot worse than Japanese animation. Now, if only we could
\nget them to pick it up…)
\nAnyway, it doesn’t surprise me – particularly if any of the three top guys
\nare still at Nelvana – that the studio’s attitude is one of superiority,
\ndeserved or not.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #424, from jimomura, 375 chars, Tue Mar 27 18:02:15 1990
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\nRock and Rule not “cute”? Sure it is. Pseudo-hip “cute” of the
\nHanna-Barbera level. Cheech and Chong with “cute” characters for the
\nyuppies of the day to coo over and say “ahh, aren’t they adorable?”
\nCheech and Chong themselves were not particularly adorable. Semi-gross
\nand fairly true “street-smart*ss” if they were reasonably straight,
\nbut not particularly cute.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #425, from hkenner, 50 chars, Tue Mar 27 18:06:23 1990
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\nI couldn’t agree more. A busy and colossal bore.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #426, from jimomura, 1755 chars, Tue Mar 27 18:23:29 1990
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\nBack in ’81 there wasn’t a whole lot of “wonderful” stuff in Japan
\nto see. That would have been right in the seminal period when the
\nart of animation was really just about to hit its stride. I’m not
\nentirely sure of the dates, but I think you *might* have been able
\nto see Gundam (which I think was ’79) and one of the Yamato series.
\nGundam would have blown you away, but the fact that there was no solid
\nprogram following in its footsteps might have given you the impression
\nthat it was an aberation and that animation was going to sink into
\nthe pap level again. There’s sort of a “golden age”-ism already
\nwherein some people feel that things have sunk from about ’88 – ’90.
\nTelevision-wise they’re pretty much right. But the growth of the
\nOVA market throws the situation into one which is not directly
\ncomparable. I really feel that the ’90s are going to be a “golden age”
\nin animation in North America. I think we’ll discover that the
\nOVA market can work “here”. I think when that happens, we’ll get
\nan influx of the *really* good stuff from Japan, and that in turn
\nis going to shake up Hollywood, when it’s realized that Hollywood==pap
\nin this field and that the alternative has already been *proven*
\ntrue. The Big 3 traditional animation houses won’t have anything
\nto do with it (Disney, Warner and Hanna-Barbera). Apparently, Nelvana
\nwon’t either. Look for *new* companies with “hot” talent. Maybe
\nas egotistical as the Nelvana 3, but with Marvel and TS Eliot flowing
\nin their veins instead of baby’s-room-wall-paper-paste.<\/p>\n

Hanna-Barbera, I have some respect for. They *did* try Jonny Quest
\nand it was a good shot. So was Fantastic Four really. As for Disney,
\nWarner and Nelvana, all I can say is “no guts, no glory, guys.”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #427, from hmccracken, 342 chars, Tue Mar 27 18:39:54 1990
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\nRoy Orbison without the glasses? I bet you’re thinking of the late Bob
\nClampett, another Warner director who looks exactly like Roy Orbison.
\nHe was interviewed in _Bugs Bunny Superstar_, a film which has shown
\non the Disney Channel, and which also shows Freleng — a balding,
\nmustachioed man who is not particularly Orbisonesque.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #428, from hmccracken, 388 chars, Tue Mar 27 18:45:22 1990
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\n“…Didn’t look good enough to be computer?” OOoorg, Jim, as an animation
\ntraditionalist I feel a bit like you feel about Nelvana’s Japanese
\nanimation-bashing. I’ve seen lots of rotten computer animation,
\nif lack of imagination and an obsession with surface detail are signs
\nof lousiness. You *don’t* find computer animation inherently superior
\nto hand-drawn stuff, do you?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #429, from hmccracken, 821 chars, Tue Mar 27 18:51:38 1990
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\nI am speaking off the top of my head here, but I believe that Hirsch,
\nPatrick Loubert, and Clive Smith are the three guys who founded Nelvana
\nand run it to this day. Clive Smith I have had a bit of contact with
\nbecuase he subscribes to my animation magazine; he’s a nice guy who’s
\nstill an animation fan, as well as one of the heads of what has to be
\nthe Hanna-Barbera of Canada.<\/p>\n

The comparison with Hanna-Barbera works on several levels: both studios
\nstarted out with some talented people who made fine films, and gradually
\nbuilt very large studios that churned out (for the most part) kiddie
\npablum. Nelvana’s stuff is usually a bit better than average, but
\nI wish the Nelvana that made its early specials and _Rock and Rule_
\nshowed up a bit more through the one that made all those _Care Bears_
\nmovies.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #430, from hmccracken, 288 chars, Tue Mar 27 18:53:42 1990
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\nBugs Bunny’s appearance didn’t live up to his one of two or three years
\nago; he seemed a bit stiff and arthritic (no joke — his face was rather
\nrigid), and whoever did his voice was clearly no Mel Blanc.<\/p>\n

(Although it may have been Mel’s son, Noel — anybody know for sure?)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #431, from hkenner, 72 chars, Tue Mar 27 19:00:51 1990
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\nGad, if they’d had the wit to have Chuck Jones animate that segment …<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #432, from davemackey, 125 chars, Tue Mar 27 19:23:54 1990
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\nThat was Bob Clampett. I have a graphic file of him and Roy Orbison. It’s
\na scary thing.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #433, from davemackey, 103 chars, Tue Mar 27 19:24:47 1990
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\nIf they’re doing a Roseanne Barr show, Nelvana really IS that stupid!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #434, from davemackey, 197 chars, Tue Mar 27 19:27:43 1990
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\nI didn’t hear it myself but would almost bet the ranch that Warner Bros.
\npreferred to “keep it in the family” and use Noel Blanc to do the voice.
\nM.W.H.W.I.T.W.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #435, from jimomura, 399 chars, Tue Mar 27 21:01:54 1990
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\nNo, but one thing computer animation gets right with ease, by
\nits very nature, is smooth motion and proper accelerations and
\ndecelerations — assuming that these characteristics are wanted.
\nA computer can throw all that out the window if it isn’t wanted
\ntoo. The clip I saw had “not terrible” motion control, but not
\nperfect. And it was erroneous in a way that I thought was not
\nintentional.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #436, from davemackey, 282 chars, Tue Mar 27 21:06:52 1990
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\nTITLE: Recap
\nOkay, class, to recap:
\n(1) Best Animated Short Academy Award went to “BALANCE.”
\n(2) Best Song was “Under Da Sea.”
\n(3) Best Original Score: “The Little Mermaid.”
\n(4) Friz Freleng is not female.
\nAny questions?
\nD.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #437, from hmccracken, 393 chars, Tue Mar 27 21:31:56 1990
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\n“M.W.H.W.I.T.W.?”<\/p>\n

The voice may well have been Noel’s, but I am told he does not
\nhave a lockhold on the mighty job of replacing his dad. Which
\nmay be a good thing — the odd bits and pieces I have heard of
\nhis work have been okay but far from perfect. I’m not sure,
\nbut I believe on the upcoming _Tiny Toons_, Noel will be
\ndoing some, but not all, of his father’s famous voices.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #438, from hmccracken, 444 chars, Tue Mar 27 21:36:06 1990
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\nAgreed. Jones’s recent work is sometimes disappointing, but there’s
\nno doubt that if he had done that Oscar piece, the guy on the screen
\nwould have been *Bugs Bunny*… As the segment stands, the chap
\nup there might as well have been Roger Rabbit with a Bugs Bunny
\nmask on. The bit of animation Disney did last year, with Mickey
\nMouse on stage and several of his friends seated in the audience
\nwas much funnier and well-executed.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #439, from hmccracken, 145 chars, Tue Mar 27 21:38:03 1990
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\nWonder if Bob Clampett is a well-known enough figure for Spy magazine
\nto be interested in his resemblance to the late Mr. Orbison?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #440, from hmccracken, 582 chars, Tue Mar 27 21:41:37 1990
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\nOkay, I see… Yup, that is one of computer animation’s strengths. As
\nJohn Lasseter has quite rightly said, computer animation’s strengths are
\ntraditional animation’s weaknesses and vice versa. Mechanical motion
\nof that type is easy in computer animation and very tough when done
\nby hand. And more organic motion — like character animation — is
\nrelatively easy in hand-drawn stuff and as of yet exceptionally hard
\nto do by computer. My guess is that we’ll be seeing more and more
\nwork which combines the two media in order to use each’s virtues
\nto best advantage.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #441, from wablock, 142 chars, Tue Mar 27 22:21:56 1990
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\nReally? Musta been Clampett, then. He acted as a narrator in the film I saw,
\nand had lots of black hair (looked like he needed a haircut!).<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #442, from switch, 85 chars, Wed Mar 28 00:17:58 1990
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\nIncidentally, Harry, do you know if Nelvana made any animated TV series
\naround 1985?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #443, from switch, 273 chars, Wed Mar 28 00:19:45 1990
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\nAre we talking about the same film? The only “cute” thing about _R&R_ is
\nthe fact that the main characters are all animals (I would presume this is
\nthe result of whatever wars rendered the planet to the state it’s in).
\nThe setting is too dark to be considered “cute”…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #444, from switch, 137 chars, Wed Mar 28 00:23:14 1990
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\nDoes the Batman soundtrack count as a score (and what’s the diff if it
\ndoesnt)? If so, then I know why I stopped watching the awards…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #445, from ewhac, 254 chars, Wed Mar 28 02:11:27 1990
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\nI saw a similar trick with Bugs Bunny and Tom Hanks (I think) on the
\noscars a while back. When Bugs dropped the “envelope” and Hanks picked it
\nup, I cringed. I was hoping Hanks would say, “Some things are too stupid
\neven for television.”<\/p>\n

Schwab<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #446, from ewhac, 106 chars, Wed Mar 28 02:16:00 1990
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\nI didn’t like the movie much, but Elfman’s soundtrack was excellent.
\nWas it even nominated?<\/p>\n

Schwab<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #447, from davemackey, 71 chars, Wed Mar 28 07:22:02 1990
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\nMel Would Have Wanted It That Way. Another one out of the cliche book.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #448, from davemackey, 259 chars, Wed Mar 28 07:23:31 1990
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\nI’ll have to send in my file, which I could send you a copy of if you
\nhave an Amiga capable of displaying such blather. It’s called “Roy and
\nBob Separated At Birth?” so I was also thinking of SPY when I put the
\nthing together.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #449, from davemackey, 238 chars, Wed Mar 28 07:25:09 1990
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\nAlmost certainly (I don’t generally like to gossip about deceased animators)
\nClampett had been dying his hair near the end. You’d have to figure he was
\nabout 60 or so at the time “Superstar” was made. Only his hairdresser knows
\nfor sure.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #450, from davemackey, 306 chars, Wed Mar 28 07:26:46 1990
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\nThere were two Batman soundtrack albums, one with the Prince songs and the
\nother with Danny Elfman’s orchestrations. I think the Academy takes into
\nconsideration the orchestral score for the Best Score award and songs, if
\nany (like Under Da Sea or Partyman) for Best Song.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #451, from jimomura, 202 chars, Wed Mar 28 09:24:25 1990
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\nOhhhh right! I *was* thinking of the wrong piece. I was thinking
\nof the whateveritwascalled (Edsel and Flattop?) piece. You know, if I
\nthink about it, I never did see R&R running. Just stills.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #452, from jimomura, 165 chars, Wed Mar 28 09:26:24 1990
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\nYes, the Batman soundtrack counts as a score. But I never felt
\nit was a good one. The main theme piece for Batman is good, but
\nthe Prince stuff really stunk.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #453, from jimomura, 444 chars, Wed Mar 28 09:31:12 1990
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\nBest Score is supposed to include all the music used — even the
\nincidental stuff. This is proper since it all goes into the mood and
\neffect of a movie — and can be changed. If the wrong song turns up
\non a transister radio in a guy’s hip pocket, spoiling the mood of a
\nscene, it has no business being in the movie! The Prince songs were
\nmuch more than just an accident. As such, to not count them as part
\nof the score would be silly.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #454, from richard.pini, 374 chars, Wed Mar 28 09:32:21 1990
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\nYep, those are the three. Now, before anyone gets the idea that I’m Nelvana-
\nbashing, we dealt almost exclusively with Hirsch, so the attitudes of the
\nother two fellows may be debatable. We were – and I guess still are, from
\nthe comfortable position of time – impressed with how they got started (one
\nof those charge everyone’s credit card to the hilt Cinderella stories;).<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #455, from richard.pini, 9 chars, Wed Mar 28 09:36:08 1990
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\nNope.
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\nanimation\/main #456, from richard.pini, 84 chars, Wed Mar 28 09:37:10 1990
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\nWeren’t they doing Lucas stuff around then? Ewoks and Wicket and Droids…
\n(oh my!)<\/p>\n

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\nWow, what was this other film?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #458, from jimomura, 86 chars, Wed Mar 28 13:57:45 1990
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\nIt was a short piece out of “Heavy Metal”, I think it used the
\nCheap Trick song.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #459, from hmccracken, 921 chars, Wed Mar 28 18:29:24 1990
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\nBob Clampett in later life was definitely a guy who worked very hard to be
\nyouthful and appealing to a younger set. …Which no doubt explains
\nthe weirdly black Beatle Wig hairstyle, his nearly ominipresent jean
\njacket, etc. He really was a very youthful sort of guy; I met him at
\na comics convention in 1977 and had a ball talking briefly with him.<\/p>\n

I imagine, Dave, that you know about Clampett’s controversial
\nrelations with some of his co-workers in later years, and his reputation
\nfor hogging credit for every conceivable Warner Bros. creation.
\nAnd yet he as enormously helpful to people like Mike Barrier,
\nproviding documents and artwork for many magazine articles and
\nbooks on Warner Bros. (His collection of Warner art is legendary;
\napparently he saved an awful lot of stuff, thereby preventing it from
\nbeing thrown out like most Warner artwork was.)<\/p>\n

Clearly, the guy was a multi-facted personality.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nI can’t think of any part of Heavy Metal that had Cheap Trick. Then again,
\nI haven’t watched\/wasted money on HM in months, and haven’t looked at the
\ncredits even longer.<\/p>\n

There was a song by Cheap Trick in R&R tho…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #461, from wablock, 100 chars, Thu Mar 29 02:43:33 1990
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\nWhich reminds me–was anyone else surprised that Heavy Metal was on Cinemax
\na couple of months ago?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #462, from wablock, 181 chars, Thu Mar 29 02:45:36 1990
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\nCheap Trick was definitely on the soundtrack, but I can’t remember what part
\nof the movie it was in. Personally, I’ve wanted a CD copy of the Don Felder
\nstuff for some time now…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #463, from dave.f, 479 chars, Thu Mar 29 16:58:33 1990
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\nre:
\n>was anyone else surprised that Heavy Metal was on Cinemax a couple of months
\n>ago?
\nNot really. They’ve shown it several times over the years. The litigation
\nregarding use of some of the music in the show is over video distribution
\nrights. This does not preclude broadcast or narrowcast transmission, just
\nrelease on tape and disc. They want more money for the video release. TV
\ntransmission is already covered in the original agreement.<\/p>\n

D=<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #464, from hkenner, 587 chars, Fri Mar 30 14:19:36 1990
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\nTITLE: A new series
\n… of short books (30,000 words), tentatively called *Portraits
\nof American Genius*, is to be launched next year by University of
\nCalifornia Press. I have just signed a contract to deliver the
\nlead-off title, subject, Chuck Jones. Suggestions re emphasis, etc.,
\nwelcome.<\/p>\n

Format will be that of California’s existing Quantum Books series,
\nwhich makes short hardcovers economically feasible–i.e. they can
\nbe priced low enough that people don’t think they’re being offered
\nlittle for their money–by streamlining production, notably by
\nstandardizing design.<\/p>\n

–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #465, from hmccracken, 383 chars, Fri Mar 30 19:28:16 1990
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\nHugh, that is utterly fantastic news. One of the great omissions in ani-
\nmation literature — which until recently has been a very undernourished
\ngenre in general — has been the lack of a book on Jones. (I believe
\nat least one unpublished manuscript for such a book does exist.)<\/p>\n

If I can do anything to help, please let me know. And keep us
\nposted on your progress.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #466, from hmccracken, 194 chars, Fri Apr 6 22:44:59 1990
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\nAs an afterthought, of course there is one Chuck Jones book: his own
\n_Chuck Amuck_. But that’s from his view looking out; we still
\nhaven’t had one from somebody else looking at him.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #467, from hmccracken, 2328 chars, Fri Apr 6 23:05:14 1990
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\nTITLE: XXII International Tournee of Animation
\nWith a sense of timing unusual in a radio, my car radio unexpectedly
\nprovided me with a half-hour interview with Chuck Jones that lasted
\nexactly the time it took me to drive to the new _Tournee_ and find
\na parking space. The most memorable thing Jones said during the
\ninterview was that (I’m paraphrasing) “art should be made up of
\nonly two things — work and love — and only the love should
\nshow.”<\/p>\n

It was perhaps with this in mind that I found the _Tournee_ a
\nwonderful showcase of technique — work — but a little less
\nsatisfying in the emotion — love — department. Two films in
\nparticular struck me this way, the Yugoslavian _Pictures From
\nMemory_, which is done in serveral very different styles and
\nis graphically one of the most sophisticated cartoons I’ve ever
\nseen; and the Russian _Vykrutasy_, which uses a unique type
\nof animaton done by animating wire outlines of people and objects.
\nBoth films are visual feasts that don’t seem to have a whole lot
\ngoing on underneath the impressive surface.<\/p>\n

That was true of several other films, too, but there were enough
\nother worthwhile films to make the _Tournee_ a success.
\nThe films I liked most tended to be the ones of more modest
\nambtions — Bill Plympton’s funny spot gags, Olive Jar
\nStudios’ witty _A Very, Very Long Time Ago_, and
\nJim Richardson’s student film _Cat & Rat_, for instance.
\n_The Bedroom_, by Maarten Koopman, is an unusual
\nrecreation of a van Gogh done with stop motion animation,
\nbut the idea is exceptionally clever and the film is short
\nenough that it doesn’t seem a work of empty technique.
\n_Kakania_, by Boston animator Karen Aqua and including
\nwork by BIXen jshook, is another fairly traditional but
\nvery good work.<\/p>\n

Actually, I think I’m being unfair to _Pictures From Memory_,
\nwhich *is* a pretty sophisticated, subtle piece of work.
\nMaybe another Russian film, _The Cow_, would have been
\na better example — every frame is a beautiful oil painting, but
\nthe story is sentimental swill, and the story in inexplicably
\noutlined in a voiceover at the film’s end — which may be
\nthe fault of the English-language packagers.
\n— Harry
\n(Oh, and this year’s Oscar winner, _Balance_, from
\nWest Germany, is also included, and falls into the
\nimpressive-technique-*and*-interesting-content
\ncategory.)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #468, from hmccracken, 672 chars, Sun Apr 8 13:29:13 1990
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\nTITLE: Check out today’s _New York Times Magazine_ for a fascinating
\narticle on the Disney studio’s current involvement with some pretty grandiose
\narchitecture projects. The article is not about animation per se, but Disney’s
\napproach to architecture is not unlike its current thinking in movie-making.
\nMichael Eisner says that company is not about subtlety, which is a shame;
\nin the old days, in its greatest works, it mixed subtlety with the corny and
\nbroad so well.<\/p>\n

The magazine’s cover, BTW, with a photo of a gigantic Dopey holding up
\npart of Disney’s new headquarters building, is worth going out of your
\nway to pick up the _Times_ today all by itself.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #469, from davemackey, 186 chars, Tue Apr 10 19:50:39 1990
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\nI have a videocassette copy of Heavy Metal, taped off cable back when I first
\nhad it way back in ’82. Funny how long ago eight years can really be.
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #470, from davemackey, 2103 chars, Wed Apr 11 01:35:29 1990
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\nOkay, get out your scorecards, because this is what I plunked
\ndown $9.95 for: turns out the 50 Classic Cartoons is volume one
\nof a two volume set from United American Video called “Cartoon
\nClassics, Vol. 1” (catalogue no. 5340). Herewith the titles:<\/p>\n

(1) The Wabbit Who Came To Supper; (2) The Wacky Wabbit; (3)
\nWackiki Wabbit; (4) Case of the Missing Hare; (5) A Corny
\nConcerto; (6) Notes To You (recoloring, with incorrect opening);
\n(7) Porky’s Railroad (recoloring); (8) Ali Baba Bound
\n(recoloring, with incorrect opening); (9) Yankee Doodle Daffy (no
\npublic-domain tape is complete without it!); (10) Daffy The
\nCommando; (11) All’s Fair At The Fair (good Fleischer); (12)
\nDaffy Duck and the Dinosaur; (13) Crowing Pains; (14) A Tale Of
\nTwo Kitties; (15) Presto Chango; (16) An Elephant Never Forgets;
\n(17) Volcano; (18) Underground World; (19) Mechanical Monsters;
\n(20) Terror On The Midway; (21) A Haunting We Will Go (Casper);
\n(22) There’s Good Boos Tonight; (23) Boo Moon (incorrect
\ncredits); (24) Crazytown (Famous); (25) I Don’t Scare; (26) Greek
\nMirthology; (27) Big Bad Sindbad; (28) Cookin’ With Gags; (29)
\nPantry Panic (nee What’s Cookin’?); (30) Wolf! Wolf!; (31) The
\nStupidstitious Cat; (32) The Talking Magpies; (33) The Magnetic
\nTelescope; (34) Jungle Drums; (35) Superman; (36) The Mummy
\nStrikes; (37) Pest Pupil; (38) A Day At The Zoo (no title!); (39)
\nBars and Stripes Forever (do any copies of this cartoon exist
\nwith complete main title?); (40) Teacher’s Pest; (41) The Three
\nBears (Ub Iwerks; music by Carl Stalling); (42) To Spring; (43)
\nHysterical History; (44) Dick Whittington’s Cat; (45) Old
\nMacDonald Had A Farm; (46) Comin’ Round The Mountain (partial
\ncredits, which are incorrect, & no title); (47) Gobs Of Fun; (48)
\nThe Emerald Isle; (49) Floor Flusher; and (50) Ancient Fistory.<\/p>\n

Fairly standard p.d. stuff, but any time you can get fifty
\ncartoons on one tape for ten dollars — including some pretty
\ngood examples of the form — that’s something good, in my
\nopinion. A very cost-effective way of assembling a cartoon
\ncollection, especially if you don’t have cable TV.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #471, from hmccracken, 676 chars, Wed Apr 11 20:22:07 1990
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\nTITLE: Howard Lowery is a guy out in Burbank who puts on
\nsome incredible auctions of animation art, the last of which he
\nheld on April 2nd (no doubt to celebrate my birthday). To be
\nmore specific, it is the animation art he auctions that’s incredible —
\nI haven’t been to any of the auctions. I’ve just been receiving an
\ndrooling over the catalogs he puts out, which nicely reproduce
\nthe art (mainly Disney) he has to offer. The catalogs are definitely
\nworth getting, even if you never bid on anything (and unless you
\nare a lot richer than me, you probably never will). I’m not sure
\nhow much they go for, but Lowery’s gallery can be reached at
\n(818) 972-9080.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #472, from hmccracken, 144 chars, Wed Apr 11 20:27:54 1990
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\nThanks for the report, Dave. Not a bad way to start out a cartoon
\ncollection — how’s the quality?
\n–(Print quality, that is.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #473, from davemackey, 631 chars, Wed Apr 11 23:53:04 1990
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\nThe print quality is very, very good. Some of the soundtracks sound quite
\ncrisp, and most of the material is first-state. The Supermans lack a little,
\nthough, but they did something interesting to the Popeyes — they took
\npre-1955 AAP prints and doctored them to convincingly resemble Paramount
\noriginals, with correct opening and theme music. There’s the odd splice
\nhere and there, but that’s to be expected. Oh, and the Warners are a little
\nfuzzy, but that’s to be expected with P.D. stuff. And my guess was right —
\n“Yankee Doodle Daffy” is right there on the tape, just like I pictured it.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #474, from richard.pini, 273 chars, Thu Apr 12 09:29:01 1990
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\nThe latest one (and, if memory serves, the last one too) went for $9. Which
\nmade it a bargain to get two of them – one to drool on and the other to keep
\nas quality reference. Participate in the auction itself? Hahahahahahahahahaha.
\nBanks get finicky about 5th mortgages…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #475, from hmccracken, 58 chars, Thu Apr 12 18:20:41 1990
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\nNine bucks? That’s a lot, but still worth it.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #476, from hmccracken, 708 chars, Fri Apr 13 17:27:08 1990
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\nTITLE: Notable Quote
\n“When it came to Baby Herman, we resisted the temptation to contrast his
\nbaby-like appearance with a tough-guy voice. This had already been
\nexplored quite successfully in Chuck Jones’s _Baby Buggy Bunny_.
\nOur intent was to pay homage to the past, not steal it. We chose to play
\nagainst his appearance with a rather haughty Ronald Colmanesque voice —
\nan elitist actor who resented his typecasting in films and lived, instead,
\nfor “the theater.”
\n— Darell Van Citters, director of animation for the early, aborted attempt
\nat making _Who Framed Roger Rabbit_. This is from an article on his
\nversion of the film that will be in the next issue of my magazine, _Animato_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #477, from hmccracken, 1695 chars, Sat Apr 14 00:58:50 1990
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\nTITLE: Just returned from a trip to the Somerville Theater, a Boston
\ninstitution that had been closed for a while and which reopened tonight
\nwith an animation show called “The Best of the Festival of Animation.”
\nUpon arriving at the theater, we discovered that its former projectionists
\nhad been let go and replaced with non-union folk; the former employees
\nwere picketing the theater, urging people not to go in and issuing
\ncomplaints to those who *did* go in — and there were hundreds —
\nthat seemed a bit unmannerly even given the circumstances.<\/p>\n

Not a particularly pleasant way to start the evening, and the show inside
\nproved pleasant but not all that exciting. The highlight was the first
\nfilm — the incredible Flesicher Betty Boop cartoon _The Old Man of
\nthe Mountain_ — which, as a good print projected onto a large
\nscreen, was astonishing. I’ve seen it many times on TV and liked
\nit very much, but seeing it in a theater was far better. I’ve had the
\nsame experience with classic Warner Bros. cartoons, too.
\nWoven in among a fair number of dull cartoons were some excellent
\nones, most of which (oddly enough) were clay-animation jobs:
\na Will Vinton commercial film about energy; an excellent new British
\ncartoon in which zoo animals criticisze their habitat, and the old
\nbut still funny _Jimmy the C_, in which Jimmy Carter lip-synchs
\nto Ray Charles’s recording of “Georgia on My Mind.”<\/p>\n

I haven’t ever crossed a picket line to be entertained before; I’m not
\nsure I’ll ever do it again…but the Somerville Theater is an excellent
\nneighborhood resource whose unexpected rebirth is definitely
\nworth supporting by attending the show, if you can bring \/yourself\/
\nto do so.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #478, from bsoron, 608 chars, Sat Apr 14 21:23:04 1990
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I agree with your review of the package of cartoons, and I’ll leave
\nany merits the picketers’ arguments may have had aside (except to note
\nthat I’ve never understood why people will fight for the right to work
\nfor someone they consider a slimeball), but I think the jury is still
\nvery out on the theater itself. I’ll say more in new.england\/mass.,
\nbut I thought the owner spent money in all the wrong places.<\/p>\n

(One quick comment: I’d never seen “One of those Days” before,
\nand thought the scene with the second slice of toast was one of
\nthe funniest scenes I’ve seen in years. I just died laughing.)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #479, from hmccracken, 861 chars, Sat Apr 14 22:29:10 1990
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\nOne thing I forgot to mention in my comments is that I regret the
\nfact that all Boston-area animation festivals now seem to come with a
\nguy on the stage who drones on…and on…about what a great
\nasset to the community the theater in question is, makes obvious,
\nuninteresting comments about the cartoons just seen or about to
\nbe seen, etc. Both currently-running festivals have their own
\nversion of this guy. (The Somerville’s version was especially
\nannoying, with his reference to the audience as “twisted”
\nanimation fans when _Lupo the Butcher_ — a really unpleasant
\ncartoon — was shown at the end of the program, supposedly
\nto quench our thirst for weird animation. Whoever put together
\nthis package of films seems to have a peoples-limbs-falling-off
\nfixation; _Lupo_ and at least a couple of other cartoons in the
\nshow dwelt on the topic.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #480, from bsoron, 350 chars, Sun Apr 15 20:35:40 1990
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I don’t have any objection to being tagged as “twisted,” but I do
\nobject to people who equare “twisted” to “abnormally violent.” Being
\ntwisted isn’t an inherently negative trait — it can be a sign of
\nspectacular creativity. By the same token, I don’t have anything
\nagainst shock value if there’s something behind it, but Lupo offered
\nnothing.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #481, from morganfox, 743 chars, Sun Apr 15 22:28:43 1990
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\nTITLE: new from old?
\nToday I had, what for me was a pleasure. While watching PBS TV with my nephews,
\nI watched the show(sorry I don’t know the name) That has Ringo Starr as a
\nfeatured person. The show included live action and still-action with some
\nanimation(hey..I am such a novice, you can call me dumb!) stuff. But what *really* tickled me was a put together of ver
\ny old, vintage cartooning, cut and
\nspliced to form a new idea to a song. The theme was way Bullies are not a good
\nthing to be. It was so carefully and tenderly done. Very old, very good and very beautiful animation was repackaged. An
\nd I *liked* it. It was good. And my
\nvery young nephews got to see the beauty of some great animation in a new
\nform that looked real good!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #482, from rconner, 140 chars, Wed Apr 18 09:41:28 1990
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\nTITLE: Panther name in The Jungle Book?
\nAnyone recall it? Thanx,
\n-Richard<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #483, from tom.white, 174 chars, Wed Apr 18 19:29:56 1990
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\nBagheera. Tiger was Shere Khan, bear was Baloo, wolf pack leader was
\nAkela, and the mancub was Mowgli. Naturally, I forget the name of the
\nelephant. But I can look it up.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #484, from switch, 938 chars, Thu Apr 19 01:46:39 1990
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\nTITLE: Bugs Bunny
\nThe Cinematheque Quebecoise shows various animations every Wednesday night
\nfor the paltry sum of $2. I rarely get a chance to go, but tonight was
\na compilation of 12 Bugs Bunny shorts, so I decided to go and relax for a
\nchange (given the extremely comfortabe seats, it’s fairly easy to fall
\nasleep before the show starts). The audience, as usual, was receptive —
\nduring _The Wacky Wabbit_ and _Rabbit of Seville_, the audience’s laughing
\ncaused someone to decide to turn the volume up a notch since we were
\ndrowning out the soundtrack.<\/p>\n

The films shown were _A Wild Hare_, _The Heckling Hare_, _The Wacky
\nWabbit_, _Falling Hare_, _Corny Concerto_, _What’s Cookin’, Doc?_,
\n_Rhapsody Rabbit_, _Hair Raising Hare_, _Rabbit of Seville_, _What’s Opera,
\nDoc?_, _Hareway to the Stars_ (which I haven’t seen in at least five years),
\nand _Baton Bunny_.<\/p>\n

I was going to say more but I think I’ll go fall asleep instead.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #485, from ewhac, 135 chars, Thu Apr 19 03:07:27 1990
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\n_Rabbit of Seville_ is one of the best musical visualizations I’ve
\never seen. It’s also one of my favorite WB cartoons.<\/p>\n

Schwab<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #486, from tom.white, 154 chars, Thu Apr 19 04:21:50 1990
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\nUncut versions, with all the Dangerous, Child-Corrupting violence left in?
\nOoh, what a deal! Even the largest home tube doesn’t match the silver screen.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #487, from davemackey, 162 chars, Thu Apr 19 07:45:19 1990
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\nIf theatre owners only knew the wild reception Bugs shorts are given to
\nthis day, they’d go out of their way to book them. But this ain’t 1946
\nany more (sigh)…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #488, from switch, 166 chars, Thu Apr 19 12:36:40 1990
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\nSame here, and apparently for most of the audience as well. That and
\n_What’s Opera, Doc_ were the only two that drew rounds of applause when
\nthe title showed.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #489, from switch, 304 chars, Thu Apr 19 12:38:17 1990
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\nYeah. Watching _Rabbit of Seville_ on the big screen, I noticed something
\nI’d never seen on the tube; when Bugs, er, “shaves” Elmer with the razor
\nand proclaims that his face looks like “it’s been through a machine”,
\nthe next two shots of Elmer have him with all these red cuts all over his
\nface.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #490, from dave.f, 408 chars, Thu Apr 19 15:30:53 1990
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\nre: The program is called SHINING TIME STATION.
\nMy kids like it a lot. In a broad way I would put it in the same category
\nwith PEEWEE’S PLAYHOUSE, in that it takes a bunch of unrelated vignettes —
\nsome done for the show, some PD, some small features that may have run on
\ntheir own elsewhere — and sprinkles them through the story that the main
\ncharacters are engaged in.<\/p>\n

D=<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #491, from hmccracken, 338 chars, Thu Apr 19 23:17:59 1990
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\nDefinitely. Bugs starred in several of the finest interpretations of music
\never done in animation, most of them by Chuck Jones. Besides
\n_Seville_ and _What’s Opera, Doc?_, there are the lesser known but
\nexcellent _Long-Haired Hare_ (a personal favorite) and _Baton Bunny_.
\nFriz Freleng’s _Rhapsody Rabbit_ is also wonderful.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #492, from wablock, 245 chars, Fri Apr 20 00:27:04 1990
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\nI think I actually preferred the version with the cat and the mouse, rather
\nthan the version starring Bugs. But they were both good. I noticed that
\nBugs has something of a different “look” in that cartoon than he does in most
\nof the others…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #493, from davemackey, 352 chars, Fri Apr 20 18:09:56 1990
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\nThat’s one of the genres that Jones always scored big with, though
\nFreleng is more noted for what he’s done with music (“Pigs In A Polka,”
\n“Rhapsody In Rivets,” “Three Little Bops”). Not only the cartoons you
\nmention but he did one in 1959 called “High Note” that’s pretty neat;
\nit’s on the Golden Jubilee Jones tape.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #494, from hmccracken, 952 chars, Sat Apr 21 13:27:40 1990
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\nTITLE: Random notes that aren’t quite worth messages of their own…
\n* _Animation Magazine_ (not the animation magazine I edit, but the larger one
\npublished in California) has been sold by Expanded Entertainment to a
\nvideo distribution company.<\/p>\n

* Streamline Pictures, the company that distributes _Akira_ and other
\nJapanese animated features in the U.S., is also distributing _Akira_
\nvideotapes and posters now.<\/p>\n

* Don Bluth Productions’ U.S. office has wrapped animation on its
\nproject for Universal Studios’ Hanna-Barbera t atrraction at its Florida
\ntheme park. Interestingly, it’s hard to get information on this project;
\nthey don’t particularly like to talk about the fact that H-B was not
\ndeemed capable of doing animation good enough for the attraction.<\/p>\n

* In a related matter, Universal has called in a commercial studio
\ncalled Film Fair to punch up H-B’s _Jetsons_ movie, which
\nUniversal doesn’t think is funny enough.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #495, from davemackey, 473 chars, Sat Apr 21 16:14:18 1990
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\n“Animation” magazine can be very entertaining reading… sometimes. Other
\ntimes you wonder if anyone there really knows animation well enough to not
\nlet errors slip through, like in the most recent issue where a transcription
\nof a Mel Blanc lecture included a reference to Trent (sic) Brown; I’m sure
\nhe was talking about Treg Brown. (Just getting that off my chest. I never
\nsee anything that blatantly wrong in that “Animato” mag, though.)
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #496, from hmccracken, 391 chars, Sat Apr 21 16:28:32 1990
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\nI’m obviously biased on the topic of animation magazines…But I am glad
\nthat _Animation_ has evolved into something of a trade journal, while
\n_Animato_ is happy to be, as we call ourselves, “The Animation Fan’s
\nMagazine.” Our relations with Terry Thoren and crew at Expanded Enter-
\ntainment have always been cordial, and I’m interested in finding out
\nmore about the new owners.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #497, from hmccracken, 1678 chars, Sat Apr 21 21:30:34 1990
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\nTITLE: I have been remiss in not mentioned _America’s Great Comic
\nStrip Artists_ (Abbeville Press), a book by Richard Marschall that
\ncame out last year for the Christmas season. (Then again, I wouldn’t
\nhave had much to say about it before; I just got it as a birthday present.)
\nThis book is an unusually fine, very large and imposing coffee-table
\nvolume with essays on a dozen or so important comic-strip artists,
\nranging from Rudolf Dirks and Winsor McCay up to Capp, Kelly, and
\nSchulz. (The implication being that there aren’t any contemporary
\ncomic strippers worth celebrating in a lavish art book, an implication
\nI might be inclined to agree with. Even Schulz’s work, as wonderful
\nas it often is, looks a little pallid graphically in comparison with
\nMcCay or the remarkable but underappraciated Cliff Sterrett.)<\/p>\n

Marschall’s essays are well-written and often quite insightful — these
\nare not (for the most part) groundbreaking works of scholarship,
\njust good introductions to each cartoonist covered. (Marschall, for
\nthose who don’t know, is one of the very most knowledgable folks
\nin the world on the topic of American comic strips.) The illustrations
\nare mostly excellent, with plenty of color and fine examples of
\neach cartoonist’s work. (There are some examples of strips printed
\ntoo small or in rather blurry form, but they’re rare.)<\/p>\n

All in all, a good book that, surprisingly enough, is fairly conservatively
\npriced at $55. (Other similar cartoon-related books usually seem to go
\nfor more, anyway.) Fifty-five bucks is still a lot of money, of course,
\nwhich is why I had to wait until a generous benefactor (my sister)
\nprovided me with a copy.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #498, from davemackey, 187 chars, Sun Apr 22 03:40:52 1990
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\nWell, that explains all the ads for the various animation houses and computer
\nfacilities that your magazine doesn’t run. It does seem to be more trade-
\noriented, now that you mention it.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #499, from switch, 202 chars, Tue Apr 24 18:28:43 1990
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\nAccording to an ad I saw, the _Akira_ video Streamline is selling is the
\n_Akira Production Report_; sort of a “making of Akira” video. The movie is,
\nI think, still making the theatrical rounds.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #500, from hmccracken, 706 chars, Tue Apr 24 18:40:46 1990
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\nTITLE: Quakers Unhappy With Popeye
\nToday’s _Boston Globe_ has quite a long article about this. It seems that
\nmembers of the Quakers (the religion) are upset with Quaker (the oatmeal
\ncompany) over a series of ads for Quaker Oatmeal featuring Popeye.
\nIt seems the Quakers find Popeye’s aggresiveness and Olive Oyl’s
\nsubmissiveness offensive, as well as the commercial’s tagling of “I’m
\nPopeye the Quaker Man” (I can almost see their point there). One
\ncomplaining Quaker proposed that the ads be replaced in one in which
\nPopeye and Bluto realize that their fighting has never accomplished
\nanything, and pool their resources to build a shelter for the homeless.
\nSomehow I don’t see it happening.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #501, from davemackey, 92 chars, Tue Apr 24 21:09:03 1990
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\nDunno, Harry… I always regarded Popeye as a good Friend.
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #502, from switch, 288 chars, Wed Apr 25 02:39:09 1990
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\nTITLE: I’ve finally gotten around…
\n…to uploading and installing the rec.arts.anime digests in \/listings. We’re
\nup to the twelfth right now, and the last message I archived was somewhere
\naround March 30th. Time for a break; I’ll be continuing my attempt to catch
\nup next week.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #503, from hmccracken, 334 chars, Thu Apr 26 21:18:08 1990
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\nTITLE: Did you know…
\nthat merchandising and licensing of the Garfield character is so massive that
\nthere is an annual convention — called the “Big Deal” — of Garfield licensees?
\nIt features speeches, seminars, banquets, golf and tennis, and other stuff, all
\nfocused around making money off of the Fat Cat’s popularity.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #504, from tom.white, 62 chars, Thu Apr 26 21:36:11 1990
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\nNo doubt held at one of the hotels in that chain he endorses.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #505, from hmccracken, 620 chars, Sun Apr 29 11:39:56 1990
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\nTITLE: Today’s _New York Times_ has two articles of interest
\nto cartoon fans. The Arts & Leisure section has a piece on Disney’s
\nplans for theatrical animated shorts — it says the studio intends to
\neventually run a cartoon with almost all of its feature films. The
\nother article, in the Business section, is on the licensing of The
\nSimpsons. Looks like there’s going to be a *ton* of Simpsons
\nmerchandise out; be prepared to become thoroughly sick of the
\ncharacters. It’s an interesting contrast to Bill Watterson’s handling
\nof his _Calvin &Hobbes_; the only C&H merchandise is the books
\nand calendars.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #506, from bcapps, 286 chars, Sun Apr 29 11:49:14 1990
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\n… and 1 t-shirt. But that’s about it. C’mon Bill, all we want is a
\nreversible Hobbes doll and then the coffee cups and the pen & pencil sets
\nand the sweat bands and the frisbees and the useless stickers and …<\/p>\n

[sorry, must’ve been watching too many toy-based shows lately]<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #507, from hmccracken, 218 chars, Sun Apr 29 15:18:57 1990
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\nAre there even Calvin & Hobbes T-shirts? I believe the few I’ve seen have
\nbeen bootleg ones.
\n— Harry
\n(Who might be tempted by a quality Hobbes doll, the one product Watterson
\nhas been most emphatic in ruling out.)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #508, from dquick, 128 chars, Sun Apr 29 21:44:25 1990
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\nDarn! My pet tiger has his little heart set on a Calvin doll. He did want
\nan imaginary playmate *so* much. \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

Dave Quick<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #509, from tom.white, 777 chars, Sun Apr 29 21:45:36 1990
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\nLikewise, Breathed kept the Bloom County merchandise limited:
\nt-shirts (a wide variety, though), calendars, the books, Opus
\ndolls (another wide variety), and the Bill the Cat doll.
\nThe only other thing was the Opus phone, which can be set to
\nturn its head when the receiver is picked up. Breathed authorized
\nit because he thought he’d like one. It’s cute.<\/p>\n

This summer’s Roger Rabbit\/Baby Herman cartoon, Rollercoaster Rabbit,
\nis being shown with Dick Tracy. Like I needed the extra incentive
\nto go see it….<\/p>\n

What C&H shirt? Never saw it. The main reason Watterson cites for
\nresisting the most obvious merchandise, the Hobbes doll, is that
\nhe refuses to choose which version Hobbes to make, and doesn’t want
\nto make both. It’d be like proving which Hobbes is “real.”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #511, from bcapps, 380 chars, Sun Apr 29 23:53:26 1990
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\nYes, there was 1 authorized t-shirt [Graffiti, I believe] right after the
\nfirst book came out. It shows the cover of the book with Calvin & Hobbes
\nflying out of the wagon.<\/p>\n

I think Watterson wants to preserve the fantasy quality of Hobbes, so he’s
\nnot authorizing any dolls. Which would tend to fire up black market copies.
\nOr so Berke Brethed tried as much to tell him.<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #512, from bcapps, 232 chars, Sun Apr 29 23:58:45 1990
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\nRight, sorta what I replied earlier [before I read this msg].<\/p>\n

Just went and got the shirt. Hmm… maybe Graffiti didn’t do it, but it
\ndoes have the Screen Stars (R) label. I got it at a local show while
\nliving in Detroit.<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #514, from hmccracken, 800 chars, Mon Apr 30 21:40:58 1990
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\nFor me, Breathed has folowed an even nobler path than
\nWatterson when it comes to merchandising. All the Bloom
\nCounty products really are well done neat, and they’re all
\nclosely tied to the strip (no Opus air fresheners or Steve
\nDallas pencil sharpeners). Watterson’s refusal to do even a
\nHobbes doll strikes me as…well, a bit prissy. That a
\nstuffed doll in the likeness of Hobbes exists is no more a
\nsign that Hobbes *is* a stuffed doll than would be the
\ncase with Charlie Brown or Garfield. (Of course, maybe
\nHobbes *is* a stuffed doll — it’s just that whether there
\nare Hobbes dolls has no effect on this.)<\/p>\n

Of course it’s Watterson’s creation to do with as he will.
\nBut somehow calendars strike me as a tackier merchandising
\nproduct than dolls or T-shirts. Just me, I guess.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #515, from bsoron, 709 chars, Mon Apr 30 23:11:23 1990
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Disagree on a few counts. The calendars present the strips more-or-
\nless as they appeared; it’s a way to have some of the better strips
\non your wall without tearing the books apart or watching the clippings
\nyellow. I might choose others, but in the perfect world, all of them
\nwould be on my wall…<\/p>\n

As for the doll, you can buy any doll in the world and have the
\nsame relationship with it that Calvin has with Hobbes… or that you’d
\nhave with your Hobbes lookalike. I haven’t seen Watterson say as much,
\nbut I surely think one reason he’s refused to allow a Hobbes doll is
\nthat everyone ought to find her or his own. And if it’s a human friend
\nrather than an imaginary friend, so much the better.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #516, from tom.white, 60 chars, Tue May 1 00:13:27 1990
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\nI’ve always considered calenders a natural cousin to books.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #517, from wablock, 162 chars, Tue May 1 01:15:09 1990
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\nTITLE: Daffy Doodles
\n…was on TNT this afternoon, but I either missed the credits or there weren’t
\nany. Can someone tell me who directed this? (It was great!)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #518, from ewhac, 150 chars, Tue May 1 04:55:48 1990
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\nNewSightem: The Simpsons T-Shirt featuring Bart with the quote,
\n“I’m proud to be an underachiever,” has been banned from Ohio schools.<\/p>\n

Schwab<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #519, from ewhac, 208 chars, Tue May 1 04:59:03 1990
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\nIn last Sunday’s Calvin & Hobbes, Hobbes manipulated reality.
\nCalvin put a phony dummy of himself in front of the door for Hobbes to
\nattack. Instead, Hobbes picked it up and carried it inside.<\/p>\n

Schwab<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #520, from switch, 143 chars, Tue May 1 13:55:18 1990
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\nTrouble is, that could still have been Calvin moving things around and
\n“inserting” dialogue to suit. Kids are reeeeeal good at that…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #521, from davemackey, 432 chars, Tue May 1 18:34:47 1990
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\nDaffy Doodles was not only the first cartoon to carry a Robert McKimson
\ndirection credit, but it was one of his best.
\nAs far as the credits, there weren’t any, because it’s a Blue Ribbon
\nreissue. The only other credits listed in Beck\/Friedwald are for writer
\nWarren Foster and musical director Carl Stalling, and I assume the
\nanimation and layout\/background credits have become lost to the ages.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #522, from davemackey, 289 chars, Tue May 1 18:37:03 1990
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\nThough, to further expand, he did have Dick Bickenbach, Art Davis, Don
\nWilliams and Cal Dalton in his (actually Tashlin’s) crew. Richard H.
\nThomas was definitely the background artist because some of his work
\nfrom this cartoon appears in “Thats All Folks.”
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #523, from hmccracken, 108 chars, Tue May 1 22:17:50 1990
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\n_Daffy Doodles_ is definitely Robert McKimson at his best — very
\nClampettesque and very funny.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #524, from wablock, 221 chars, Tue May 1 22:44:03 1990
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\nIt *was* good! I was impressed with some of the actions; the scenes of Porky
\nchasing Daffy around the ledge on the building was very original. I can’t
\nrecall seeing anything else like it anywhere.<\/p>\n

Thanks for the info!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #525, from richard.pini, 330 chars, Wed May 2 09:11:51 1990
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\nWhich T-shirt? I recall buying one in Michigan last year that was a very
\nfunny swat at all the Batmania that happened, only to find out it was a
\nbootleg. I was told by Mark Evanier, that walking encyclopedia, that
\nWatterson had licensed *no* T-shirts…
\n(Not that I’m gonna give this one back, though…it really is too funny!)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #526, from richard.pini, 64 chars, Wed May 2 09:14:54 1990
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\nI dunno…books can be timeless. Calendars are dated. (ducking)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #527, from bcapps, 533 chars, Sat May 5 21:21:50 1990
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\nRichard,
\nThis shirt shows “the wagon” [a major character, I understand]
\napparently in mid-air [since there is no reference to the ground] with
\nHobbes hovering over the wagon and Calvin, tethered to the wagon with a
\nrope, holding an umbrella and wearing rollerskates. It is in all probability
\na bootleg. There is no (C) or TM and no Watterson signature.
\nBTW, when are you folks releasing the Xanth books [my wife WANTS them, being
\nsomething of a appreciator of Piers Anthony]? I misplaced the CBG which
\nmentioned it.<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #528, from morganfox, 215 chars, Sat May 5 21:41:38 1990
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\nBob, while I have *no* idea what sort of t-shirt Richard has, for the rest, may
\nI (with the permission of the Mods here) point you to the new Conference, Elfquest?
\nBut be assured, you will be answered here.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #529, from richard.pini, 1212 chars, Sat May 5 23:37:52 1990
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\nLast first – the first volume of the Xanth stuff *should* be out the latter
\npart of June, but maybe early July. (New Elfquest, plus cramming for the ABA
\nand assorted trade shows is taking its toll.) But if I may say so, it looks
\nreal good; the artists are having fun!
\nThe C&H shirt I got – now that I think on it – must be a bootleg taken
\nfrom some existing shot… Hobbes is standing, back to CAlvin, looking over
\nhis shoulder with a smug look on his face, arms folded. Calvin is standing,
\nshoulders a bit hunched, glaring back up at Hobbes. The difference is that
\nHobbes is in a Batman suit and CAlvin is dressed up as Robin, mask and all.
\nHobbes is saying “Nice panties…” to Calvin; the reply is “Shut up,
\nBat-Dork!” I admit I cracked up when I saw it (the world was up to its
\nnostrils is Batmania at the time) and had to buy one. At the big San Diego
\ncomic convention last August I wore it to the DC party – so whoever said I
\nwas reverent? – and it was a hit. Mark Evanier asked me, “Now what would *you*
\ndo if Watterson walked in here wearing a bootleg Elfquest T-shirt?” I said
\nI’d walk up to the man, introduce myself, and converse about the joys of
\nbootlegged merchandise. If ya ain’t got humor…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #530, from richard.pini, 29 chars, Sat May 5 23:38:55 1990
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\nReally? Where???? (ducking!)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #531, from sharonfisher, 265 chars, Sun May 6 00:38:22 1990
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\nTITLE: Lasseter doing commercials?
\nI saw a commercial tonight for Tropicana orange juice that looks like
\nLasseter either did it, or else they stole his style — straw bouncing
\naround, trying to jump into an orange. Great big bulgy eyes on the straw.
\nSo is it him?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #532, from switch, 308 chars, Sun May 6 01:22:14 1990
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\nTITLE: Speaking of commercials…
\nThe National Film Board of Canada has two excellent ads promoting Canadian
\nanimation. Included are scenes from Babar, Bambi Meets Godzilla, The Big
\nSnit, and The Cat Came Back. Very well done, but then I’m biased \ud83d\ude09 Pity
\nthere were no scenes from Rock & Rule<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #533, from wablock, 78 chars, Sun May 6 03:16:11 1990
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\nI saw that ad today and it stuck in my mind. Whoever did it, it looks great!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #534, from sharonfisher, 757 chars, Mon May 7 10:34:48 1990
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\nTITLE: Animation Festival
\nWent to see this last night in San Francisco. Several of the pieces — The
\nHousekeeper, The Chore, Knick Knack — I’d seen before. Lots of attention
\non fecal products this year for some reason. One by Pacific Film Images about
\na train, that was all computer-generated; looked very much like people
\ntrying to be Lasseter. One dance thing that reminded me a lot of the
\nBrazilian dance one of last year. Anybody else see this?
\nI got really annoyed by the people behind me, one of whom had
\napparently seen it before, and was alerting the person next to her about all
\nthe upcoming good parts, which they’d then discuss. I finally turned around
\nand asked them to please wait until they got home to talk about it. Didn’t
\nhelp much.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #535, from switch, 435 chars, Mon May 7 10:39:14 1990
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\nI’ve seen The Housekeeper, Knick Knack, and several dance animations, but I’m
\nnot sure I’ve ever seen them all at the same sitting; these festivals
\nsometimes show shorts they hadn’t advertised, and I only recently started
\ntaking note of the extras. Do you know for sure which festival this was?
\nIt sounds like it could have been Mike and Spike’s Festival of Animation, or
\nExpanded Entertainment’s Second Animation Celebration.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #536, from sharonfisher, 704 chars, Mon May 7 12:04:19 1990
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\nIt was Mike & Spike’s.
\nThere was another one that seemed terribly familiar but which I hadn’t
\nseen; I wonder if I’ve heard it as a joke, or seen another version, or
\nsomething. It’s called The Chairs. 3 chairs in a row. Character 1 sits
\nin first chair, something bad happens. Character 1 sits in second chair,
\nsomething bad happens. Character 1 convinces Character 2 to sit in third
\nchair, something bad happens. Character 3 laughs at Characters 1 and 2,
\nsits in second chair, backwards. Nothing happens. Characters 1 and 2 sit
\nin first and third chair, backwards. Nothing happens. Character 3 gets
\nup from second chair and explodes. Characters 1 and 2 look at each other
\nand don’t move… T<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #537, from switch, 270 chars, Mon May 7 12:34:54 1990
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\nHuh. I’d dug up my program for Mike and Spike, and I _still_ don’t remember
\nhalf of what you’re speaking of (or it just ain’t there). Either they added
\nin some different shorts for yours (not unlikely), or they’ve released another
\ncompilation (which I doubt)…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #538, from sharonfisher, 147 chars, Mon May 7 13:02:39 1990
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\nIt may well be another one. It’s different from last year’s. Unfortunately,
\nI don’t have my program with me, so I can’t compare notes very well.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #539, from hkenner, 48 chars, Mon May 7 13:05:20 1990
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\nThe Chairs sounds like Poor Man’s Beckett.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #540, from hmccracken, 193 chars, Tue May 8 01:22:24 1990
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\nI don’t know if the commercial is by Lasseter, but Pixar has recently begun doing
\ncommercial work, in conjunction with Colossal Pictures, so there’s a good chance
\nit’s a Pixar work.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #541, from jshook, 175 chars, Tue May 8 02:06:36 1990
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\nAre you referring to “Feet of Song”? At least I think that’s the
\ndance film…. If it’s the same one, I have seen this several times.
\nI want a recording of that soundtrack!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #542, from ewhac, 60 chars, Tue May 8 04:11:41 1990
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\nThey didn’t do the recent California Lottery ad, did they?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #543, from switch, 103 chars, Tue May 8 06:49:39 1990
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\nHow could I have forgotten “Feet of Song”? That was easily one of my favorites
\nof the Festival.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #544, from hmccracken, 156 chars, Tue May 8 18:15:47 1990
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\nI don’t know; I just heard, a while ago, that they were going to get
\ninto commercial stuff. I don’t know of any specific things they’ve
\ndone.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #545, from sstaton, 242 chars, Fri May 11 21:29:17 1990
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\nTITLE: The Chairman
\nA Canadian animation I have on video from 1983 called “The Chairman” mixes
\narchitectural imagery with pixelated charaters in a weird, grim world-view
\nthat climaxes with a bauhaus Thing taking over. Anyone else seen this?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #546, from jshook, 413 chars, Sat May 12 00:45:37 1990
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\nYes, if the film you are describing is the English title for
\n“L’Age de [du?] Chaise [?]” which the animator (whose name
\nI am ashamed to say escapes me for the moment) explained is
\na pun in French meaning something like “The Age of Rocks”
\nor “The Stone Age.”
\nAnyway, if this is the same film, I have seen it several times
\nand like it very much. A production of the National Film Board,
\nFrench language section.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #547, from ewhac, 915 chars, Sat May 12 05:00:18 1990
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animation\/main #548, from switch, 15 chars, Sat May 12 07:46:13 1990<\/div>\n
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BWAH HA HA HA!<\/div>\n
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animation\/main #549, from rfranzen, 77 chars, Sat May 12 09:11:18 1990<\/div>\n
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Ozzie and Harriet, right?<\/div>\n
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\u00a0 \u00a0Seriously, that’s impressive ASCII art.<\/div>\n
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Neat, Leo! \u00a0But not done with “Onion,” I hope…<\/div>\n
\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0:-))<\/div>\n
\u00a0 — Harry<\/div>\n
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animation\/main #551, from ewhac, 95 chars, Sat May 12 16:41:47 1990<\/div>\n
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No, not done by me at all, actually. \u00a0This image is making the<\/div>\n
rounds on USENET.<\/div>\n
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Schwab<\/div>\n
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animation\/main #552, from dquick, 44 chars, Sat May 12 19:38:55 1990<\/div>\n
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Thanks Leo, that was wonderful.<\/div>\n
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animation\/main #553, from dquick, 61 chars, Sat May 12 19:39:55 1990<\/div>\n
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Well, *somebody* did one heckuva job on it. \ud83d\ude09<\/div>\n
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animation\/main #554, from rcrook, 35 chars, Sat May 12 20:51:33 1990<\/div>\n
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… VERY impressive!!<\/div>\n
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\u00a0= Argosy =<\/div>\n
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animation\/main #555, from switch, 330 chars, Mon May 14 11:31:43 1990<\/div>\n
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TITLE: Grim Natwick<\/div>\n
As has been mentioned, Grim Natwick’s 100th birthday is coming up in just a<\/div>\n
few months. \u00a0Apparently, some magazine (most probably Comics Scene or<\/div>\n
Storyboard, since I read neither) printed his address to send him birthday<\/div>\n
cards. \u00a0Here it is…<\/div>\n
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Grim Natwick<\/div>\n
1336 Centinela Ave., #1<\/div>\n
Los CA 90025ngeles, A<\/div>\n
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Emru<\/div>\n
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animation\/main #556, from switch, 43 chars, Mon May 14 11:31:59 1990<\/div>\n
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Oh, yes — his birthday’s August 16.<\/div>\n
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animation\/main #557, from richard.pini, 15 chars, Mon May 14 18:56:51 1990<\/div>\n
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Had a COW!!!!!<\/div>\n
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animation\/main #558, from davemackey, 510 chars, Mon May 14 21:22:30 1990<\/div>\n
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TITLE: Cels as investment<\/div>\n
In the May 21 “U.S. News and World Report,” there is an article about “The<\/div>\n
extremely lucrative life of a cel,” which notes the escalating prices of<\/div>\n
original animation cel set-ups and talks briefly about Christie East’s<\/div>\n
upcoming auction of Chuck Jones original artwork on June 19. Since very<\/div>\n
few cels are going to be offered, the Jones auction is going to test the<\/div>\n
viability of original animation drawings and directors’ sketches in the<\/div>\n
marketplace.<\/div>\n
\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 –Dave<\/div>\n
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animation\/main #559, from davemackey, 906 chars, Tue May 15 20:34:40 1990<\/div>\n
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TITLE: Bugs Magazine<\/div>\n
The commemorative 50th anniversary of Bugs Bunny magazine is now out on<\/div>\n
newsstands. Included are many of the features that were in the Time Inc.<\/div>\n
magazines’ advertising section a few weeks ago plus a reproduced cel<\/div>\n
setup from “Box Office Bunny” and a lengthy article about the making of<\/div>\n
“Box Office Bunny,” including comments from director Darrell Van Citters,<\/div>\n
producer Kathleen Helppie-Shipley, writer Charles Carney, and also mentioned<\/div>\n
in the piece are animators Bob Scott and Chris Buck designer Michael<\/div>\n
Giaimo, background artist Alan Bodner, film editor Jim Champin, and<\/div>\n
voice artist Jeff Bergman, all of whom contribute to this project that<\/div>\n
to me represents the final break from the Warners’ of old: producer<\/div>\n
Helppie-Shipley and director Van Citters are the old kids of the bunch<\/div>\n
at 33.<\/div>\n
\u00a0 \u00a0Termite Terrace II? We’ll see when the short is released.<\/div>\n
\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 –Dave<\/div>\n
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animation\/main #560, from davemackey, 317 chars, Tue May 15 21:06:36 1990<\/div>\n
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Four months later, the answer: No. According to a feature in the Bugs<\/div>\n
Bunny magazine, the birth and death dates of Carl W. Stalling are<\/div>\n
1888-1972. (It’s a chart of Bugs’ fathers, how many cartoons they did<\/div>\n
with the wabbit, including Mel Blanc, Stalling, and the major directors.)<\/div>\n
\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 –Dave<\/div>\n
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animation\/main #561, from hkenner, 43 chars, Tue May 15 21:38:24 1990<\/div>\n
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Where do I get the Bugs Bunny Magazine ???<\/div>\n
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animation\/main #562, from hmccracken, 101 chars, Tue May 15 22:22:11 1990<\/div>\n
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Four months, heck! \u00a0I’d been wondering about Stalling’s status for<\/div>\n
*years*. \u00a0Thanks, Dave!<\/div>\n
\u00a0 – Harry<\/div>\n
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animation\/main #563, from hmccracken, 306 chars, Tue May 15 22:24:30 1990<\/div>\n
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I suspect the magazine will be available at any newsstand of any size, though<\/div>\n
I just returned from a B.Dalton’s that doesn’t have it as of yet. \u00a0The Mickey<\/div>\n
Mouse Sixtieth Birthday Magazine, to which the Bugs publication is clearly<\/div>\n
an unofficial sequel (same publisher) was available everywhere.<\/div>\n
\u00a0 — Harry<\/div>\n
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animation\/main #564, from hmccracken, 105 chars, Tue May 15 22:25:47 1990<\/div>\n
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Hmmm…is Bugs Bunny Magazine an on-going publication? \u00a0It is<\/div>\n
a one-shot magazine, isn’t it?<\/div>\n
\u00a0 \u00a0— Harry<\/div>\n
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It is indeed a one-shot and is not to be confused with the ongoing kid-slanted<\/div>\n
“Looney Tunes Magazine.”<\/div>\n
\u00a0 \u00a0 Incidentally, in the style of the Warner Bros. merchandise catalogues,<\/div>\n
there’s a really neat shot of Dana (China Beach) Delaney wearing a Bugs<\/div>\n
50th anniversary jacket on the last editorial page. (That should whet any<\/div>\n
man’s appetite.)<\/div>\n
\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0–Dave<\/div>\n
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animation\/main #566, from switch, 251 chars, Wed May 16 11:33:29 1990<\/div>\n
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>Termite Terrace II? We’ll see when the short is released.<\/div>\n
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Dave, you should be careful when you say that \ud83d\ude09 \u00a0About half of the animation<\/div>\n
students I know at Concordia have expressed a desire to apply for jobs should<\/div>\n
Termite Terrace resurface…<\/div>\n
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\nanimation\/main #567, from grekel, 158 chars, Wed May 16 13:11:31 1990
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\nTITLE: Henson
\nJust heard Jim Henson died. I believe he was 53, and died of a
\nbacterial infection. Must’ve been a sudden thing.
\nAnyone have any other details?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #568, from jimomura, 72 chars, Wed May 16 13:37:53 1990
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\nDisney stocks dropped something like $.50 when the news was heard.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #569, from morganfox, 122 chars, Wed May 16 16:00:40 1990
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\nVery little more, just that he died of an acute bacterial infection this am in
\na NYC hospital which he entered yesterday.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #570, from davemackey, 154 chars, Wed May 16 17:56:35 1990
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\nI can’t even hold a pencil and draw a straight line but would love to be
\na part of the neoclassical cartoon explosion!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #571, from davemackey, 405 chars, Wed May 16 17:58:47 1990
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\nThis was indeed sudden, and I am aggrieved. His contributions to the worlds
\nof children’s television (and animation by logical extension) are multiple
\nand ubiquitous. It only seemed logical that Disney would swallow up the
\nMuppet empire, since Henson, in his own way, was the Disney of a generation
\ntoo hip for Mickey and Donald and their like. Lord knows he’ll be missed.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #572, from davemackey, 194 chars, Wed May 16 18:02:00 1990
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\nTNT, in preface to its 6 p.m. broadcast of “Fraggle Rock,” ran a brief
\ntribute to Henson. “TNT remembers the man behind the Muppets, the face
\nbehind the Fraggles… Jim Henson, we’ll miss you.”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #573, from sharonfisher, 224 chars, Wed May 16 18:13:23 1990
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\nOh, my God! Somebody mentioned this in passing in one of the other fora
\nand I thought I’d misunderstood. I didn’t think that type of thing could
\nkill people these days. Jeez, he was just on Arsenio a couple of weeks ago.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #574, from hmccracken, 579 chars, Wed May 16 18:54:57 1990
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\nSudden? It sounds like it, but the guy had a magnificent sense of timing.
\nWhen he sold out to Disney in the Fall, I wondered, along with numerous
\nfriends, why the money he’d get would be worth giving up complete
\nartistic power and control of his own destiny. But as things turned
\nout, he assured the Muppets would outlive him, lost no control, and
\n(presumably) made sure his family would have no money problems
\nafter his passing. I don’t mean to sound callous; I have a keen sense
\nof loss, and am sure we won’t see his likes again. But I am fascinated
\nby it all.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #575, from tom.white, 139 chars, Wed May 16 19:11:22 1990
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\nThat’s too sad. This was the man who made Kermit speak at
\nHarvard’s Commencement exercises a few years ago.<\/p>\n

Say hi to Walt for us, Jim.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #576, from jimomura, 198 chars, Wed May 16 19:52:55 1990
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\nCould be, that’s why it happened. Apparently he’s an extreme
\nworkaholic and it’s possible that no matter how bad it got, he just
\nkept pushing himself. Maybe he just didn’t take it seriously.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #577, from hmccracken, 397 chars, Wed May 16 20:17:26 1990
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\nTITLE: The other show-business legend who died today — Sammy
\nDavis, Jr. — also had animation connections that are worth noting.
\nHe performed the voice of the Cheshire Cat in a 1960s Hanna-Barbera
\nTV adaptation of _Alice in Wonderland_; and his musical number as
\na rat in H-B’s 1970s\/1980s animated feature _Heidi’s Song_ was
\nmarvelous and one of the few good things about that movie.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #578, from davemackey, 893 chars, Wed May 16 23:16:22 1990
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\nRight, Harry! “What’s A Nice Girl Like You Doing In A Place Like This”
\nwas one of my childhood classics.
\nIt was noted on one of the news programs here in New York (it may have
\nbeen the network news) that Jim Henson had been ill for a few days and that
\nif he had gotten to a doctor in time, he might still be with us.
\nAnd talk about timing — PBS aired a tribute program tonight to Joe
\nRaposo, one of the other creative geniuses behind “Sesame Street”; the
\nprogram carried a notation at its head that Henson had passed. Hopefully
\nhis tribute show will come later, because the man did as much to advance
\nthe art of puppetry as people like Bil Baird (one of Henson’s inspirations
\n) and Burr Tillstrom.
\n(The Raposo show, by the way, had footage of “Raggedy Ann and Andy,”
\nthe 1977 Richard Williams feature for which he had written several songs.)
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\nanimation\/main #579, from davemackey, 157 chars, Wed May 16 23:19:55 1990
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\nIt’s been speculated in one of the other forums that Henson may have had
\nsome foreknowledge that his time was running out.
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #580, from hmccracken, 172 chars, Thu May 17 00:00:36 1990
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\nAnd don’t forget that Henson is the cover subject of the current
\nissue of _Animation_ magazine, talking, ironically enough,
\nabout his plans for future projects.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #581, from hmccracken, 250 chars, Thu May 17 00:15:24 1990
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\nJust found out — the author of the Lampoon Coyote story is suing
\nIan Frazier, the author of the New Yorker one. The similarities
\nbetween the two stories are remarkable, but it’s hard to believe that
\nit’s not just a very big coincidence.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #582, from hkenner, 114 chars, Thu May 17 00:57:43 1990
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\nDid that 1977 Raggedy feature ever get shown? I have a book about it
\nbut never heard that the film emerged.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #583, from grekel, 323 chars, Thu May 17 01:06:24 1990
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\nHarry;
\nWhat sort of projects was Henson in the middle of?
\nDoes anybody else miss “The Jim Henson Hour” on NBC? I have a tape of
\n“Dog City” that my 3-year-old daughter and I pull out about monthly and
\nlaugh our buns off…
\n“Oh, he will all right.”
\n“But what if he doesn’t?”
\n“Oh, he will all right.”
\n“But what…. etc. etc.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #584, from switch, 114 chars, Thu May 17 01:31:56 1990
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\nMy sister told me when I came home this evening. I was in utter shock.
\nLast I’d seen, he was quite hearty.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #585, from switch, 75 chars, Thu May 17 01:33:28 1990
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\nIf it happens, I’ll be one of the first in line to apply for work…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #586, from jshook, 190 chars, Thu May 17 02:20:09 1990
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\nYou’re not alone in having missed that feature-length animation.<\/p>\n

I was not aware of it’s ever having played anywhere near me (and
\nI live in a fairly large city). I have the book, also….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #587, from sharonfisher, 209 chars, Thu May 17 10:17:09 1990
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\nThat suit was filed a while back. The author of the Lampoon story is Joey
\nGreen, who’s written for Rolling Stone, too, I believe. Anyway, he was the
\neditor of the Cornell humor magazine about ten years ago.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #588, from dave.f, 495 chars, Thu May 17 11:30:02 1990
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\nI certainly miss THE JIM HENSON HOUR. I thought it was wonderful. I have
\na few episodes on tape. Unfortunately I had technical problems when
\n“Dog City” was on and did not get it tape. I saw it and thought it was the
\nbest and funniest piece to come from Henson’s company in quite a while.
\nWell deserving of his directorial Emmy. I really liked the “Storyteller”
\nsegments. I found them to be much more satisfying video fairy tale
\nadaptations than the self-indulgent FAERIE TALE THEATRE.<\/p>\n

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\ntelevision\/general #456, from dave.f, 731 chars, Thu May 17 11:20:28 1990
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\nAs you all have no doubt heard by now, Henson died of what is being termed
\n“galloping pneumonia”. In other words, he had a bacteriological pneumonia
\nfor three days and did not get it treated, assuming it was just the flu.
\nConsequently, the infection spread throughout his body to the point where
\nnumerous organs were involved. By the time he checked into the hospital,
\nhe was beyond the help of anibiotics. The doctors tried to revive him
\nthree times when his heart stopped. The third time was not successful.<\/p>\n

Jim is survived by his wife and five children. His daughter, Diana, is the
\ncurrent president of the HARVARD LAMPOON. One of his sons was listed as
\na puppeteer in the credits of TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #590, from davemackey, 417 chars, Thu May 17 18:52:24 1990
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\nThe film did see some theatrical release, though I don’t remember to what
\ndegree. The film’s quite interesting in that its animators were credited
\nwith the characters they were largely responsible for. This included guys
\nand gals like (this is off the top of my head right now) Tissa David,
\nArt Babbitt, I think Grim Natwick was there too, and the Warner Bros.
\nveteran Gerry Chiniquy.
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #591, from hmccracken, 220 chars, Thu May 17 21:03:41 1990
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\nWell, there was just a Muppets show on as part of the
\nDisney network show, and a feature film called _The
\nWitches_ was also mentioned, I believe. Henson
\nalways had a *lot* of projects on at any given time…
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #592, from hmccracken, 516 chars, Fri May 18 18:55:49 1990
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\nTITLE: Third-hand gossip dept.
\nSpoke today to a friend who spoke to a friend of *his* who is a general
\nall-around animation bigshot who says that a shakeout is in progress
\nin the animation biz — everybody’s underbiddng everybody else
\n(the DIC studio is notorious for this), and nobody’s making any money.
\nHis prediction is that two well-known studios will soon be out of
\nbusiness. Unfortunately, my friend would not pass on the names of
\nthose two studios — wonder which ones his friend is thinking of?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #593, from richard.pini, 611 chars, Fri May 18 20:11:37 1990
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\nTITLE: Land of the Lost
\nI am desperately seeking a source for any of the “Land of the Lost” cartoons
\nthat the Fleischer studio did, I guess in the late 40s. These were short
\ncartoons about the place under the sea where things humans have lost go to
\nlive, overseen by Red Lantern, a wise old fish. I remember several of the
\nepisodes only sketchily, and would love to see them again. In the latest
\nWhole Toon Catalog, I notice that in one collection there is one cartoon
\nmentioned (sorry, I don’t have the catalog in front of me) but would be
\nin heaven if there were an entire tape of the things. Anyone? Anyone?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #594, from hmccracken, 341 chars, Fri May 18 21:44:04 1990
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\nAre you sure there were more than one? The only one I know of
\nis _Land of Lost Watches_, which is certainly one of the best
\ncartoons ever made by the Famous (not Fleischer, BTW)
\nStudios. (And one that I’ve more than once heard fondly
\nremembered by a non-cartoon fan). The cartoon was based
\non the Land of the Lost radio show.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #595, from hmccracken, 680 chars, Fri May 18 21:48:36 1990
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\nTITLE: Jeff Bergman, the guy who is doing the lion’s
\nshare of replacing the late Mel Blanc as voice of the Warner’s
\ncharacters, was on the Larry King radio show yesterday
\nnight, and did most of the voices. His Bugs and Elmer
\nare *extremely* good; the rest merely *very* good. He
\neven performed two historically-different Bugses — an
\nearly forties one and a 1950s J{_ir’@jR9iy[mones one. I think that
\nearly forties one and a 1950s Jones-type one. I think that
\nwe and the Warner’s characters are lucky to have the guy.
\nThe upcoming _Box Office Bunny_ theatrical short will
\nbe the first big showcase for his talents; he’s doing the
\nvoices of Bugs, Daffy, and Elmer.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #596, from jimomura, 1348 chars, Fri May 18 22:53:40 1990
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\nTITLE: Bakshi’s “Wizards” (1977)
\nTonight was a strange night. For now, I’ll start in at the point
\nwhere I ended up at my freind’s place and we watched “Wizards”. Now,
\nJoe and Natalie have been watching a fair bit of Japanese animation
\nwith me over the last year. Joe is very picky. There’s a lot he
\nlikes in some of the Japanese animation now, but he’s *very* critical.
\nHe’s never too happy to see anything in pure Japanese anyway. Even
\nif it’s a really good one and I’m there to translate, he doesn’t really
\nlike it. He hates seeing anything re-used. He has a excellent eye
\nfor that. He hates artistic shortcuts in general really.<\/p>\n

But we’ll get on with it. He *really* cut down “Wizards”. He
\nreally hated the mixing of art styles, he disliked the use of stills
\nand limited animation. He liked, maybe about 15 – 20 min. of the movie.
\nAll in all, there wasn’t much I could do to make him feel better about
\nhaving seen it. On the otherhand, I think if I saw it by myself, I
\nprobably would have liked most of it. Then again, I’m more tolerant
\nof things like limited animation and I find the mixing of artistic
\nstyles interesting. It’s not a fast paced film by any means. They
\nleft a lot of time for people to say “oooh ahh, lookitalltheprettypictures!”
\nBut it’s a good film to relax with with a bottle of something or other.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #598, from davemackey, 265 chars, Fri May 18 23:17:02 1990
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\nThe frightening thing is he’s almost as exactly as old as Mel Blanc was
\nwhen he started his career — 29. Have you caught the Holiday Inn radio
\nspot with Bugs and Yosemite Sam? In spots the Sam is a little off, but
\nBugs is there.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #599, from davemackey, 565 chars, Fri May 18 23:27:50 1990
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\nThere were three cartoons released by Famous Studios inspired by the
\n“Land Of the Lost” stories by Isabel Manning Hewson: “Land Of The Lost,”
\ndirected by I. Sparber and released 6\/7\/48; “Land Of The Lost Jewels,”
\nalso directed by Sparber and released 1\/6\/50, and, of course, “Land Of
\nLost Watches,” directed by Seymour Kneitel and released on May 4, 1951.
\nThese cartoons would more likely than not pop up on those public-
\ndomain cheapies Whole Toon Catalog doesn’t want to deal with, but I have
\nnever run across any of them.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #600, from davemackey, 537 chars, Fri May 18 23:30:53 1990
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\nTITLE: DIC Studio Tour
\nNothing’s finalized, of course, but those enterprising folks at Hollywood’s
\nmost prolific animation house, DIC Animation City, are planning either an
\non-premises or off-premises animation tour which would be somewhat more
\ninteractive than the Disney MGM Studios Animation Studio tour.
\nA report in a trade journal states that computers would play some part
\nin such an interactive tour to give young would-be animators a chance to
\nput together some sort of animation themselves.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #601, from wablock, 131 chars, Sat May 19 02:38:30 1990
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\nI saw that and thought that the Bugs voice was too high. But it was too
\nshort a spot to really tell. Elmer sounded good, though.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #602, from hmccracken, 194 chars, Sat May 19 04:23:08 1990
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\nI’m not sure if Bergman is the new, official Sam, although he
\ndid do him on the radio show. I recall being told that Joe Aslaskey
\n(who did Sam in Roger Rabbit) may hold that title.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #603, from hmccracken, 273 chars, Sat May 19 04:29:20 1990
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\nDo the tour visitors get to learn how to make cheesy, tacky
\nTV cartoons? (DIC has got to have one of the lowest
\nbatting averages for quality of any animation studio, ever.
\nIt’s not a very popular place in the industry either,
\neven among folks who work there.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #604, from davemackey, 229 chars, Sat May 19 07:00:08 1990
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\nAlaskey is a very good impressionist, but the thing about him that I have
\na question about is why he didn’t do the last three weeks of “Couch Potatoes”
\nthe syndicated game show from last year.
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #605, from davemackey, 385 chars, Sat May 19 07:03:13 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 603.
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\nHow do they do it? Volume! You’ve gotta give them some credit, though,
\nfor being enterprising enough to repackage some of the marginal series they
\nhave produced for basic cable.
\nI think with those computers the tour guests could make cartoons surpassing
\nDIC’s in quality. I have to dig up the article (it was in Broadcasting) for
\nmore details.
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #606, from switch, 481 chars, Sat May 19 08:29:54 1990
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\nAfter watching _Wizards_ far too many times, I’ve gotten from the
\n“Wowwhatagreatfilm” opinion to “Lemme see some of the scenes I like and we’ll
\ncall it a day”. After watching it (n+1) times, it seems to drag on forever;
\nthen again, I’m starting to get tired of quest stories.<\/p>\n

My favorite scenes, which I will watch many times over, are “They killed
\nFritz!”, the scene with the two soldiers and the priests, perhaps our
\nheroes in the elf domain, and the ah final battle.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #607, from hmccracken, 570 chars, Sat May 19 11:02:14 1990
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\nOne of my favorite animation events I’ve ever attended was an appearance
\nby June Foray and Bill Scott in Boston at which they performed a Bull-
\nwinkle script live; the voices of the narrator, Boris Badenov and various
\nothers were provided by Joe Alaskey and Billy West (the guy who did
\nthe voice of Cecil on the new Beany and Cecil cartoons). Alaskey and
\nWest did a great job and were clearly having the times of their lives;
\nin partciular, West seemed so overwrought with joy that I sincerely
\nwondered what the chances were that he might pass out with joy.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #608, from jimomura, 906 chars, Sat May 19 11:30:18 1990
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\nWho did the voice for that Fritz part? It sounded like Martin Short.
\nI didn’t ask him, but from his reactions, I think he liked the bit
\nwhere the soldier is talking to the other one to go fight, the Fritz
\nscene, the “prayer” scene (though it went on too long and I think liked
\nthe “Plan B”, but he didn’t), the point where Avatar sort of goes
\nnuts and starts “shooting flowers around” and that’s about it. For
\nmyself, I’d add the final confrontation between Avatar and his brother.
\nThe writing for that and the voice acting were excellent. It was
\nthe animation that fell down. It was dull art at best. Avatar
\njust sort of stood there talking. I’d have had him moving around
\nmore.<\/p>\n

Joe’s reaction was so bad that I didn’t ask him to keep running
\nthrough the credits. He switched it off almost as soon as they started
\nto roll. If you have a list of credits, I’d like to see who was listed.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #609, from davemackey, 446 chars, Sat May 19 20:37:45 1990
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\nBilly West is a sometime performer on the Howard Stern show in New York.
\nAmong the voices he does is Larry Fine (of the Three Stooges) and I think
\nat one point he was up for some of the coveted Looney Tunes parts.
\nIt’s clear that the kids who grew up with these characters know how
\nto make them sound like they were in their prime, and this explains
\nguys like Frank Welker, Dave Coulier, Jeff Bergman et. al.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #610, from hmccracken, 254 chars, Sat May 19 20:43:10 1990
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\nWho’s Dave Coulier? Speaking of Billy West doing Larry Fine,
\nBergman does a splending William (Fred Mertz) Frawley — I
\nlove that sort of oddball impression of somebody who we
\ncivilians would never think worthy of an impressionist’s skills.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #611, from richard.pini, 149 chars, Sat May 19 21:45:24 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 594.
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\nOh yes, there were a bunch of them. As well as 9 issues of the comic that
\nwas done by EC (before they got into horror), adapted from the radio show.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #612, from richard.pini, 163 chars, Sat May 19 21:46:57 1990
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\nHm. I recall very specifically one about a little lost jack knife who comes
\nto the rescue of Princess Spoon or some such – was that one of the ones you
\nmentioned?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #613, from richard.pini, 21 chars, Sat May 19 21:49:12 1990
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\nEspecially other. \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #614, from richard.pini, 156 chars, Sat May 19 21:54:28 1990
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\nBelieve it or not, but I am told and have no reason not to believe (having
\nheard the voice “in the flesh” so to speak) that that is Bakshi
\nhimself. Hm?????<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #615, from hmccracken, 154 chars, Sat May 19 23:26:04 1990
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\nShould be pretty easy to tell — Bakshi has a distinctive voice that’s
\ngreat for cartoons. He also did at least one voice in _Fritz the Cat_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #616, from bsoron, 180 chars, Sat May 19 23:29:25 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 607.
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I remember that. It was a wonderful night; Alaskey and West weren’t
\nthe only ones having the times of their lives. Might’ve been Off the
\nWall’s crowning accomplishment, too.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #617, from hkenner, 171 chars, Sun May 20 00:52:16 1990
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\nDo you (or does anyone out there) know of any bio sources
\non Grim Natwick? I may devote the September *Art & Antiques* piece
\nto him in honor of his 100th.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #618, from switch, 98 chars, Sun May 20 01:31:30 1990
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\nI’m afraid not. But a hunt through Nebula’s book racks on Tuesday might
\nturn something up.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #619, from davemackey, 290 chars, Sun May 20 09:03:45 1990
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\nDave Coulier does some of the voices for “Muppet Babies” and briefly did
\nthe voice of Popeye on his most recent TV series; he is also one of the
\nstars of “Full House” and just took on the chore of hosting “America’s
\nFunniest Home videos, Part 2”.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #620, from richard.pini, 71 chars, Sun May 20 09:20:24 1990
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\nIf memory serves, he was one of the cops – Phil Seuling was the other.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #621, from hmccracken, 109 chars, Sun May 20 10:25:48 1990
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\nYep, and they made a great pair — rather similar voices and personalities
\nin some ways, I think.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #622, from hmccracken, 906 chars, Sun May 20 10:32:21 1990
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\nThere are bits and pieces on Natwick almost everywhere, but not all that
\nmuch in any one place. You said you had the Raggedy Ann and Andy
\nbook; that’s one good source. You might also try to find the current
\n( I believe) issue of Comics Scene magazine (which is fairly easy to
\nfind on newsstands) with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles on the cover —
\nit has an interview with Natwick.<\/p>\n

Beyond that, the most productive approach might be to find a library
\nwith a good animation section and look him up in indexes; since he
\nworked almost everywhere, he should be referred to constantly.
\nTry _Disney Animation: the Illusion of Life_ for his time at
\nDisney’s; _The Fleischer Story_ for his work at Fleischer’s;
\n_Talking Animals and Other People_ for his work at Iwerks;
\nand _The Walter Lantz Story_ for his Lantz work. Natwick
\nalso for a time a columnist for a magazine called _Cartoonist
\nProfiles_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #623, from hmccracken, 548 chars, Sun May 20 20:38:14 1990
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\nBTW, the Childrens’ Television Workshop, producers of _Sesame Street_,
\nannounced quickly after Henson’s death that Ernie — whom they, and not
\nDisney, hold the copyright to — will not be used anymore on the show
\nexcept in old segments produced before Henson’s passing. I would
\nlike to think that Disney would do the same thing with Kermit, but I’m
\nnot holding my breath. In fact, they are trying to have their purchase
\nprice for Henson Associates reduced, on the grounds that much of what
\nthey were paying for was Jim Henson himself.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #624, from tom.white, 399 chars, Sun May 20 20:47:53 1990
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\nIf the deal was finalized, I say tough noogies to Disney.<\/p>\n

In today’s world of digital processing, I think they could manage
\nto voice Ernie accurately, the only restrictions being cost and
\nwhether or not Henson WROTE Ernie’s dialogue.<\/p>\n

How was Kermit handled in the deal anyway? I know the Sesame Street
\ncharacters were not included in the Disney sale, but Kermit is
\na crossover (the only one?).<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #625, from rfranzen, 62 chars, Sun May 20 21:27:08 1990
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\nAccountants and Lawyers are wunnerful people, aren’t they?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #626, from dyarbrough, 1140 chars, Sun May 20 22:28:41 1990
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\nFirst your question. Kermit was created several years before the Street
\nIn fact I think Kermit was one of the first, if not the first muppet (I
\nam sure Harry will correct me if I am wrong on this. \ud83d\ude42 Jim Hensen
\nhad a local TV show in a city in the Northeast (the city’s name escapes
\nme at the moment) several years before the street went on the air. So
\nKermit was owned by Hensen, whereas the other characters on the street
\nwere created for the show and they were probably signed over at the time.
\nThe deal with Disney was not finalized at the time of h
\nHensen’s death. It would be within Disney’s rights to renogiatiate the
\ndeal since there has been a substantial change in what is being bought.
\nOTOH Hensen also signed a 7 – 9 yr (I forget the exact length of time)
\ncontract at the time the sale was agreed on. It basically depends on
\nhow much of the price was listed as “Intangibles” in valueing the
\nproperty. If the “intagible” amount is large Disney could argue they
\nwere buying Hensen’s creative genius of which they would now not recieve.
\nW\/O knowing anymore details any further speculation is just that, speculation.
\ndavid<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #627, from dave.f, 96 chars, Mon May 21 17:40:20 1990
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\nre: Dave Coulier is also the host of OUT OF
\nCONTROL on Nick.<\/p>\n

D=<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #628, from dave.f, 460 chars, Mon May 21 17:40:27 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 624.
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\nre: According to an interview with one of the
\nCTW folks I heard several month ago, all scripting is done by the SESAME
\nSTREET writers, Henson’s people are just performers. Ernie’s style and
\npersonality are such that I cannot imagine anyone else, including the
\nmuti-voiced Jerry Nelson, being able to carry him off convincingly. He was my
\nfavorite. I think it’s that he’s such a lovable trouble-maker that really got
\nto me.<\/p>\n

D=<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #629, from davemackey, 133 chars, Mon May 21 17:54:22 1990
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\nAbsolutely right, and those now six-year-old shows are still running
\non the weekends on Nickelodeon!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #630, from bcapps, 356 chars, Mon May 21 22:21:55 1990
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\nOn the day of his death, Channel 4 here in Wash. DC commented on Henson
\nbefore mentioning Sammy Davis Jr.’s demise, since Henson got his start at
\nthat station in its early days by doing a little puppet skit at the end of
\nthe news telecast. In accompanying photos, one can see the early Kermit
\nevolving and there is also a shot of Henson pre-beard.<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #631, from rfranzen, 344 chars, Tue May 22 19:28:25 1990
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\nTITLE: Orlando Sentinel, 21 May 1990, page A-5
\nDisney (apparently) took the whole page. It said:<\/p>\n

Jim Henson
\n———
\n1936-1990
\n———<\/p>\n

In the lower left corn, there is a 1.5″ Mickey with a tear rolling down his
\ncheek. This quiet tribute was extremely effective; I had a tear or two join
\nMickey’s. Classy.<\/p>\n

Rich<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #632, from hkenner, 40 chars, Tue May 22 19:36:45 1990
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\nLikewise in yesterday’s New York Times.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #633, from hmccracken, 325 chars, Tue May 22 20:12:48 1990
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\nClassy indeed, though crying cartoon characters are perhaps getting a wee
\nbit tired as a device in such tributes. Two of the best are one of the first —
\n_Paris Match’s_ crying Mickey when Walt Disney died, and Warner Bros.
\n‘s morose (though not actually sobbing) Bugs and company when Mel
\nBlanc passed away.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #634, from hmccracken, 268 chars, Tue May 22 20:25:47 1990
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\nTITLE: Does anybody’s newspaper carry a new strip called
\n_Queen of the Universe_, by Sam Hurt. It’s previewed in the
\ncurrent _Comics Buyer’s Guide_, and I curious both as to how
\ngood it is (beyond CBG’s samples) and whether it’s in any
\npapers of any size.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #635, from tom.white, 972 chars, Tue May 22 21:12:00 1990
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\nThe Austin American-Statesman is running Sundays of Queen of the Universe
\n(apparently at the expense of Making It, about which I must complain).
\nThe local hyper-cool weekly freebie, The Chronicle, also runs the week’s
\nworth of strips when it publishes on Thursday, though at rather small size.
\nThe Chronicle will continue this until University of Texas’s daily Texan
\nresumes publication sometime over the summer, when QotU will move it’s
\ndailies to there.<\/p>\n

Of course, this figures since Hurt still lives here.<\/p>\n

This week’s CBG has a preview of Queen of the Universe, including
\na Sam Hurt chronology of how he got started in the business.<\/p>\n

If you cannot find Eyebeam books locally, I can probably track them
\ndown here in Austin.<\/p>\n

My general impression is that Hurt is still getting back into doing
\na daily (he continued Eyebeam as a weekly panel in The Chronicle, but
\nit was wildly non-sequitur), but will find his feet and his cutting teeth
\nquickly. The man is sharp.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #636, from switch, 176 chars, Wed May 23 02:09:58 1990
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\nI never saw the Paris Match ad (of course), but I felt a pang when I saw
\nthe mourning Warner characters. I’ve got a copy of that out of Animation
\nMagazine on my wall…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #637, from davemackey, 207 chars, Wed May 23 18:30:42 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 592.
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\nI read somewhere that Great American is thinking of selling off its two
\nanimation studios — Hanna-Barbera and Ruby-Spears. Possibly to MCA.
\n(Broadcasting, 5\/21, p. 72)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #638, from hkenner, 49 chars, Thu May 24 00:57:49 1990
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\nTITLE: Art Babbitt …
\n… is he still with us?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #639, from hmccracken, 46 chars, Thu May 24 18:13:39 1990
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\nAlive and (as far as I know) well.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #640, from richard.pini, 918 chars, Sat May 26 08:58:04 1990
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\nTITLE: Uncut Japanese animation?
\nI just picked up, at the local Kay-Bee toy store, a bunch of “Family” label
\nvideo (don’t know the exact logo, but easy to spot) versions of a bunch of
\nJapanese feature-length animations – “Spe
\na(let’s try that again with hitting the return key…)
\n“Space Firebird” (“Phoenix 2772” originally), “Locke the Superpower” (origin-
\nally “…the Superman”, I can see DC’s lawyers getting on that one), some
\nHarlock, some robot films. Having seen “Phoenix” before uncut, I could tell
\nthat these have been edited, I suspect, both for time and for younger
\naudiences. I’d never seen “Locke” before and we both enjoyed it, given that
\nwe knew we were seeing an edited version – some of it is pretty obvious, as
\nto where and why things are cut. Can anyone on here put me on the track of
\neither an uncut, translated or just an uncut version? We’d love to see what
\nthe entire film looks like. Thanks.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #641, from jimomura, 500 chars, Sat May 26 09:14:21 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 640.
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\nUh, well, it wouldn’t be particularly cheap. I remember seeing
\nthe price for “Locke” and passing on it. How were the voices and
\ndialogue for “Space Firebird”? I’ve seen the box for that one in
\na rental store up here in Toronto, but I haven’t rented it (or bought
\nit either — something like $80.00 I think).<\/p>\n

It’s funny you should mention “Space Firebird”. This was the
\ntape I *wanted* to see the night I saw “Wizards”. Somebody had already
\nrented “Space Firebird” before I got there.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #642, from davemackey, 414 chars, Sat May 26 09:37:02 1990
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\nTITLE: If you can find a copy….
\n…check out this week’s weekly Variety for a 24-pg. special section on the
\nresurgence of animation. Talks about works in progress (“The Thief and
\nThe Cobbler” for Christmas 1991??? ’bout time if so!) and two nice articles
\non the elder statesmen of Warner Bros. Cartoons, Chuck Jones and Friz
\nFreleng, both of which I duly note contain the word “active” in their
\nfirst paragraph.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #643, from switch, 265 chars, Sat May 26 12:40:26 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 640.
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\nDo you have access to a laserdisc player? If so, Wok Talk, Nikaku Animart, or
\nLaser Perceptions would do nicely. If not, Books Nippan probably has it
\navailable, if at an expensive price.<\/p>\n

I’ll go through my list when I get home and see what I can dig up.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #644, from jenn, 73 chars, Sat May 26 15:15:42 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 634.
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\nHaven’t seen it anywhere here in Seattle, Harry.
\nI’ll keep an eye out…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #645, from steven_edwards, 830 chars, Sat May 26 16:33:27 1990
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\nTITLE: Disney’s “The Little Mermaid” on Videocassette<\/p>\n

I bought a copy of “The Little Mermaid” video that was released last
\nweek. The list price is $26.99 and there is a mail-in rebate good for three
\ndollars; I purchased my copy at The Disney Store in Nashua, NH for $19.99.<\/p>\n

The recording was done quite nicely. Of course, home video is never
\nas nice as the big screen, but the reframing for tv turned out really well
\nand the stereo playback was almost as good as the CD version. It really is
\nworth seeing more than once just to catch the nuances of the animation work.
\nAlso, when the end credits roll (something occasionally cut in the theaters),
\none is rather impressed with the numbers of the “ink & paint” troops – clearly
\nDisney has no hesitation to employ small armies of artists to get the job
\ndone right.<\/p>\n

— Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #646, from davemackey, 329 chars, Sat May 26 18:27:13 1990
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\nTITLE: Peter Pan Release
\nDisney’s next big video cassette release is now official. “Peter Pan,”
\nreleased in 1953, hits stores on September 21. Both it and “The Little
\nMermaid” will be withdrawn on April 30, 1991.
\nThe rebate tie-in for “Pan” will be $5.00 and will be sponsored by
\nNabisco.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #647, from hmccracken, 197 chars, Sat May 26 20:59:08 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 646.
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\nRight — my copy (at least) of Mermaid unexpectedly came with an ad inside for
\nPeter Pan. I’d forgotten to mention that! Two Disney animated features on tape
\nin one year — gee whiz.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #648, from richard.pini, 254 chars, Sat May 26 21:49:43 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 643.
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\nBelieve it or not, all of these Americanized, familyized videotapes were on
\nsale for $3.99 each – even for cut versions it’s a very good price. The
\nvoices\/dialogue on “Firebird\/Phoenix” were decent, given what I know of the
\nstory\/dialogue for “Phoenix.”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #649, from jimomura, 95 chars, Sat May 26 23:41:44 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 648.
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\nHuh? $3.99? Hey, Richard, do you think you can get me one?
\nI’ll pay you back of course!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #650, from davemackey, 256 chars, Sun May 27 00:00:43 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 647.
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\nI think the next one in the queue, given the fact that it’s being reissued
\nto theatres this summer, is “Jungle Book.”
\nAlso, I wonder if Disney’s entertaining thoughts of video-releasing
\ntheir DuckTales feature film?
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #651, from davemackey, 330 chars, Sun May 27 00:02:38 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 645.
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\nSteven–
\nImagine having to transcribe all those names. It’s a far cry from the
\nearly days, when only about 50-80 artists were credited on a Disney feature.
\nNow it’s hundreds upon hundreds. I think I can find out exactly how many
\nnames there were on those credits. I’ll get back on this.
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #652, from davemackey, 208 chars, Sun May 27 00:04:28 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 642.
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\nComment to my own message: Is the new CEO of Hanna-Barbera’s name not
\nspelled Kirchner? Throughout the section it’s spelled as if he was one
\nof Don Kirschner’s relations.
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #653, from hmccracken, 219 chars, Sun May 27 10:28:15 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 650.
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\nI can’t imagine that they would lovingly put the DuckTales movie back in the
\nvault, saving it for theatrical release for future generations…I’m sure it will
\nbe put out on video at the earliest opportunity.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #654, from hmccracken, 175 chars, Sun May 27 10:29:32 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 653.
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\nThey also refer to one “Jeffrey” Beck, co-author of a book on Warner
\nBros. cartoons — whom I suspect is a close relative of BIX CBIX
\nsession guest *Jerry* Beck.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #655, from hmccracken, 190 chars, Sun May 27 10:32:31 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 653.
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\nIt’s still must-readin for cartoon fans, and an excellent snapshot of the
\nstate of animation at this time. I especially liked the list of prime-time
\ncartoon shows in the works.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #656, from davemackey, 332 chars, Sun May 27 15:47:51 1990
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\nTITLE: Jetsons Feature
\nNoteworthy aspect of the Jetsons feature film which will be released shortly:
\nHanna and Barbera are directing this one themselves. I don’t think they’ve
\ntaken director credit on anything since the early 1970’s, turning those
\nduties over to Nick Nichols and others at that time.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #657, from hmccracken, 99 chars, Mon May 28 01:17:21 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 656.
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\nReally? I thought an ex-Disney man was directing the movie…
\nDave Somebody-or-other.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #658, from davemackey, 280 chars, Tue May 29 18:22:31 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 657.
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\nThat Dave something or other (I don’t even remember) is credited, I believe,
\nwith animation direction or supervision. H&B are credited as “Produced and
\nDirected by…” which is the way they were credited from the earliest
\ndays of their own studio (and the final days at M-G-M)…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #659, from switch, 137 chars, Tue May 29 19:57:48 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 648.
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\n*$3.99*?!? Hey, Richard, if’n ya can send me a tape or three, I can pay ya
\nback!<\/p>\n

Durn, and my dad was just in NY this weekend…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #660, from hmccracken, 198 chars, Wed May 30 18:40:52 1990
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\nTITLE: Odd But True…
\n_The Little Mermaid_ is still playing at the local theater here in Newton, six
\nmonths after it opened and several weeks after the movie was released on
\nvideotape!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #661, from steven_edwards, 374 chars, Wed May 30 22:57:32 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 660.
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\nI guess that means that there are still some people who don’t yet
\nhave VCRs, or just enjoy the theater experience.<\/p>\n

By the way, did you know that on _The Little Mermaid_ CD, Disney
\nleft off the names of the vocalists? Authors Ashman and Menken are credited,
\nhowever. I really enjoyed Jodi Benson’s Ariel – perhaps we’ll hear from her
\nagain in a future title.<\/p>\n

— Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #662, from hkenner, 640 chars, Fri Jun 1 14:10:32 1990
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\nTITLE: Grim Natwick
\n… will be 100 on Aug. 16, as I think everyone here knows. He will
\nbe the subject of my “Inside Story” column for the September *Art &
\nAntiques* (there is no August issue, alas). I have written him asking
\nfor the loan of a drawing we can reproduce. On Sunday I leave the
\ncountry for 2 weeks. If by Monday June 18, when I pick up accumulated
\nmail, there is nothing from Grim, I’ll turn to you BIXEN for help: a
\nsource, any source.<\/p>\n

Meanwhile, any Natwick anecdotes are welcome. Post them here or send
\nme BIXMail.<\/p>\n

Circulation of *A&A* has reached 150,000, which makes it the most-read
\nart mag in the world.<\/p>\n

–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #663, from davemackey, 377 chars, Fri Jun 1 18:00:01 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 662.
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\nI forget what magazine Howard Beckerman used to write a column for, but he
\nonce printed the following exchange between Natwick and Tissa David:
\nNatwick: “What do you think of animation?”
\nDavid: “Animation is animation.”
\nNatwick: “You can’t argue with that.”
\nHave to check my notes (which I have someplace) for the proper attribution.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #664, from jshook, 62 chars, Sat Jun 2 00:30:15 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 663.
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\nThat must have been the late, lamented Filmmakers Newsletter.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #665, from ewhac, 45 chars, Sat Jun 2 01:49:48 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 645.
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\nSince when are end credits cut in theatres?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #666, from davemackey, 311 chars, Sat Jun 2 08:48:39 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 664.
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\nNow that you mentioned it, that’s probably where it was. I’d have to go
\nback to my college library and read through all those again. Beckerman is
\na very interesting crusader for the art and science of animation both;
\nhe got his start as an animator for Paramount Cartoon Studio.
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #667, from steven_edwards, 453 chars, Sun Jun 3 01:08:14 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 665.
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\nI don’t think the film is actually physically cut; what commonly
\noccurs is that the house lights are brought up (and sometimes the soundtrack
\nis attenuated) to facilitate the quick emptying of the theater. It is
\ndifficult, if not impossible, to read the credits under the resulting low
\ncontrast visual conditions. I have found this to be a common occurance in
\nthose movie houses that try to jam as many performances as possible in a day.<\/p>\n

— Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #668, from switch, 109 chars, Sun Jun 3 13:40:03 1990
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\nTITLE: Total Recall
\nOkay, how many people noticed the “Botco” ad in the background in “Total
\nRecall”?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #669, from grekel, 63 chars, Sun Jun 3 17:44:56 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 668.
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\nsorry, Emru — what’s “Botco”?
\nBTW, whadja think of the movie?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #670, from switch, 1077 chars, Sun Jun 3 18:09:30 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 669.
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\nTotal Recall was fun, I suppose. The violence really got to me, because, as
\nin any movie with a lot of action, you reach a point of saturation, after which
\nit all becomes absurd. Unfortunately, TR hit that level fairly early. In the
\nscene where the “doctor” tells Quaid to look at himself, at his super-agent
\nacheivements, and asks him how probable that is, I said, “yeah, how probable{<\/p>\n

_is_ this?” But I check my disbelief in at the door when I walk into these
\nkinds of movies.<\/p>\n

To keep this on-topic — when Kuato helped Quaid to remember, I was thinking
\nof how much the memory of the alien reactor site resembled the area under
\nLaputa that Muska discovered in Miyazaki’s film. Then, towards the end, the
\nreactor acted almost _exactly_ as Laputa did when Pazu and Sheeta used the
\nfinal Word of power.<\/p>\n

“Botco” (not the full name, if memory serves) is a computer animation that was
\ndone in the mid-80s, and can be found on the tape “State of the Art of
\nComputer Animation”. Pretty funny. The tail end of it was shown just before
\nthe Total Rekall ad Quaid saw.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #671, from ewhac, 48 chars, Mon Jun 4 01:36:35 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 670.
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\n“Botco. Tomorrow’s fuels, tomorrow’s prices.”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #672, from grekel, 74 chars, Tue Jun 5 08:28:25 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 670.
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\nokay. “botco” — yah, I’ve seen that piece. I’ll keep an eye out for it!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #673, from davemackey, 541 chars, Tue Jun 5 18:07:01 1990
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\nTITLE: Jack Gilford
\nMention must be made here in the animation conference of the recent passing
\nof Jack Gilford at the age of 82, for two reasons:
\n(1) He was the star of a successful series of commercials for Cracker
\nJack. These spots which cast Gilford in a variety of roles (though I seem
\nto remember him as a kindly school bus driver) were quite well written.
\n(2) He played the crusty veteran animator, Brooks Carmichael, on the
\nshort-lived sitcom set in a cartoon studio, “The Duck Factory.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #674, from hmccracken, 403 chars, Tue Jun 5 19:48:07 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 673.
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\nJack Gilford is dead? Oh, my. I will remember him for
\nmany wonderful performances, but perhaps above all
\nfor a record he recorded as the voice of Winnie-the-Pooh
\nthat I listened to dozens of times in my childhood.
\n(Wonder if I still have it?) I believe the Gilford Pooh
\nrecording preceded the Disney cartoons, and possibly
\ninspired them: his voice is very similar to Sterling
\nHolloway’s.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #675, from sharonfisher, 77 chars, Tue Jun 5 20:33:03 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 674.
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\nI recognized the guy for *years* in various things, but never knew his name.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #676, from davemackey, 141 chars, Tue Jun 5 20:54:44 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 652.
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\nComment to my own comment: It is spelled David Kirschner. My apologiez
\n(whoops) for the misinformation.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #677, from davemackey, 404 chars, Tue Jun 12 18:31:12 1990
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\nTITLE: For those who prefer…
\n….the complete, unexpurgated, un-Bugs and Elmer-ed version of Wagner’s
\nRing cycle, PBS will be airing the Metropolitan Opera productions on
\nnext Monday through Thursday nights. “Das Rheingold,” “Die Valkure,”
\n“Siegfried” and “Gotterdammerung” will be performed in their entireties
\non consecutive nights, as was Wagner’s original intent.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #678, from hmccracken, 72 chars, Tue Jun 12 18:43:05 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 677.
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\nYeah, but who wants to watch opera without Bugs Bunny in it?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #679, from tom.white, 71 chars, Tue Jun 12 20:27:25 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 678.
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\nMore to the point, who wants to watch without “kill the wabbit” in it?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #680, from hmccracken, 270 chars, Wed Jun 13 18:36:30 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 593.
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\nAre you still looking for Land of the Lost cartoons? I note that
\non the back cover of current Harvey comic books (I admit it —
\nI was flipping through _Hot Stuff_ at the newsstand) there is an
\nad for a tape that includes one of them, _Land of Lost Watches_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #681, from davemackey, 232 chars, Wed Jun 13 21:34:30 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 678.
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\nWell, regardless, I dragged out the old Chuck Jones tape and got my
\nmonthly taste of Wagner just for the fun of it. Don’t know if I’ll
\nwatch the whole Ring cycle. They’ll probably slip in pledge phone
\nnumbers amongst the subtitles.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #682, from richard.pini, 105 chars, Wed Jun 13 22:19:21 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 680.
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\nYes! Definitely still looking! Thanks for the tip – I’ll hit the local shop
\ntomorrow to see what’s what.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #683, from davemackey, 585 chars, Fri Jun 15 21:17:19 1990
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\nTITLE: Freberg alert!
\nThe digital age is now getting a taste of Freberg. Capitol Records is
\nsoon to be releasing a 21-track compact disc of the best of Stan Freberg,
\nwhich heavily emphasises the records he made in the 50’s such as “St. George
\nand The Dragonet” (with the late Daws Butler). Hooray!
\nTo recap for those coming in late, Freberg did voices for Warner Bros.
\nCartoons for about a decade including Junyer Bear, one of the Goofy Gophers,
\nand that all-time fave, Pete Puma. He later narrated “Wuzzles” for Walt Disney
\nTelevision Animation.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #684, from jshook, 280 chars, Fri Jun 15 23:09:31 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 683.
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\nFreberg also had a radio show (Good God! am I *that* old?) of
\nwhich I have fond memories. I remember seeing a book he wrote…
\nI think it came out last year or so. As I recall, it dealt mostly
\nwith his commercial work (“Who put eight great tomatoes in that
\nitty-bitty can?”)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #685, from hmccracken, 266 chars, Sat Jun 16 00:13:21 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 684.
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\nFreberg’s commercials are undoubtedly the funniest of all time,
\nespecially a soup one with Ann Miller and a Ray Bradbury spot
\nfor prunes. He does have a current series of ads for Encyclopedia
\nBritannica (starring his son) which are not especially funny.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #686, from davemackey, 203 chars, Sat Jun 16 08:50:32 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 685.
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\nThen that’s gotta be daddy being the omniscient narrator in those spots,
\nright? I had no idea that was Freberg and his kid. Thanks for the
\ninfo! Ooh ye cool!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #687, from hmccracken, 125 chars, Sat Jun 16 10:28:58 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 686.
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\nYup, that’s Freberg narrating the commercials. Mildly amusing,
\nbut no competition for his great sixties work.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #688, from davemackey, 206 chars, Sat Jun 16 23:11:43 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 687.
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\nAfter the fact, it does sort of sound like his Wuzzle’s narration. But
\nthousand-dollar encyclopaedias ain’t Jeno’s Pizza Rolls and require a
\ndifferent selling approach.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #689, from hmccracken, 1232 chars, Sun Jun 17 07:47:33 1990
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\nTITLE: They did it again..
\nWhen Disney was releasing _Who Framed Roger Rabbit_ two years ago,
\nthe movie was set to be promoted as a “Walt Disney” production
\n(rather than a “Touchstone” — i.e., for grownups — one) up until
\na very short time before it reached theaters. (I saw posters and
\nother stuff that promoted it as a Disney film). The same thing
\nseems to have happened with _Dick Tracy_ — I saw an article
\nsomewhere that explained that the film would be a “Disney” one,
\nbut at the last moment it became a “Touchstone” one. They were
\nnervous about the (stylized, non-blood) violence and Madonna’s
\nlow-cut gowns and one or two very mild sexual innuendos. (_Roger
\nRabbit_ was probably a racier film, really, all things considered.)<\/p>\n

I am a purist when it comes to such things, but I would have liked
\nto see _Tracy_ promoted as a Walt Disney film. Except for the Roger
\nfilms, all the studio’s animation goes out under that banner, but
\nvery little else. (_Honey, I Shrunk the Kids_ being the only live
\naction Disney film of recent vintage.) It would be nice to see a
\n“Disney” live-action film be really widely popular, but if they
\nreserve the monicker for the most purely kid-oriented stuff it’ll
\nnever happen.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #690, from hkenner, 200 chars, Mon Jun 18 17:14:18 1990
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\nTITLE: Grim
\nOK, folks, I’m back from 2 weeks abroad, and no letter from Grim
\nNatwick. So somebody please point me to a source for a pic *Art &
\nAntiques* can use. Need it within about 10 days.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #691, from hmccracken, 46 chars, Mon Jun 18 18:41:09 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 690.
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\nA picture of Grim or of his work?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #692, from hkenner, 143 chars, Mon Jun 18 20:31:04 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 691.
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\nSory, I should have been more specific. Of his work. Snow White is
\nlikely tied up in Disney copyrights, but a BBoop should be findable.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #693, from davemackey, 799 chars, Tue Jun 19 22:01:17 1990
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\nTITLE: Coincidence?
\nThe very day that a number of production art pieces were to be auctioned
\noff at Christie’s East from the cartoon “Duck Dodgers in the 24-1\/2th
\nCentury,” Channel 9 in New York gives us a chance to see the cartoon
\non its 8 a.m. Bugs\/Porky show! Weird!
\nIncidentally, Mr. Jones held court for about an hour or so at Christies
\nlast night, and the stories he tells in “Chuck Amuck” are much better
\ncoming straight from the source than set into type. IMHO, the experience
\nof meeting Mr. Jones in person was well worth driving two and a half
\nhours in raging thunderstorms.
\nAlso on hand were Chuck’s brilliant layout man Maurice Noble, and
\nanimator Shamus Culhane, who briefly worked at Warner’s in the early
\n1940’s with Jones.
\nSuch a night.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #694, from hmccracken, 217 chars, Wed Jun 20 18:34:50 1990
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\nWow! Any interesting Jones\/Culhane stories come out of the night?
\nMeeting Jones would be worth a drive of almost any length; it really
\nis the equivalent of meeting, say, Chaplin in the live-action world.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #695, from hkenner, 62 chars, Wed Jun 20 22:28:25 1990
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\n—And I’ve met Jones twice, and once dined witj Chaplin. …<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #696, from hmccracken, 615 chars, Wed Jun 20 23:31:53 1990
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\nI’m sorry that I’ll never have the chance to meet Chaplin, at least
\nin this lifetime. He is one of my heroes, and I think that animation
\nowes a tremendous debt to him, as well as Lloyd and Langdon. Silent
\ncomedy’s influence on animated cartoons, even those with dialogue,
\nis much greater than the impact it had on live-action sound comedy.<\/p>\n

(While I never met Chaplin, I have seen Le Cirque Imaginaire, a
\nfascinating two-person circus performed by his daughter Victoria and
\nher husband — and Victoria has much of her father’s genius and
\n*exactly* the same smile, so I feel I’ve compensated somewhat.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #697, from davemackey, 262 chars, Thu Jun 21 01:33:05 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 694.
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\nI didn’t see Culhane; his presence was pointed out to me. But I did notice
\nMr. Noble and kicked myself thereafter for not giving him a hearty cheerio —
\nsince his design work made lots of Jones successes that more palatable.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #698, from switch, 88 chars, Thu Jun 21 12:16:19 1990
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\nTITLE: Just installed…
\n…UseNet digest #16. Still on the road to catching up.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #699, from bcapps, 298 chars, Fri Jun 22 23:38:33 1990
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\nI too, regret that these folks are no longer around and are becoming less
\nand less remembered and appreciated. I would also add Keaton to the list
\nof those silent stars to whom animation owes a debt. Some of the scenes
\nfrom his films that he choreographed, are nothing short of magical.<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #700, from switch, 183 chars, Sat Jun 23 00:07:39 1990
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\ni spent a lot of time saying, “Buster _who_?” Then I took a FIlm
\nAesthetics course. We were doing comedy, and watched “One Week”
\nand “The General”. Hooked me almost at once.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #701, from davemackey, 686 chars, Sat Jun 23 06:27:25 1990
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\nTITLE: A Tale of Two Ali Babas
\nI purchased a PD cassette with the Ub Iwerks version of “Ali Baba” and
\nwas surprised to the similarity to “Popeye The Sailor Meets Ali Baba’s
\nForty Thieves.” The overall design and plotline are quite similar, and some
\ngags are almost identical — the camel being filled with gasoline, the
\nclosing gag of Ali and the thieves pulling the wagon in the desert, even
\nthe opening atmospheric shots of the thieves riding the desert.
\nConsumer advocates should note that the two PD tapes I bought both
\nhad cartoons that were listed on the box but weren’t on the program.
\nThese were Star Classics tapes I bought at Caldor.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #702, from davemackey, 315 chars, Sat Jun 23 06:30:08 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 470.
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\nUpdate on the 50 Cartoons for $9.99 scam: I am now told that
\nthe company that was selling these tapes through the mail, U.S.
\nBuyer’s Network, is under investigation by a number of government
\nagencies and I was quite lucky to get the tape as many customers were
\nnever shipped them.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #703, from jdow, 278 chars, Sat Jun 23 18:27:55 1990
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\nI think of Peter Sellers or Woody Allen and have to admit they were great.
\nBut IMHO the two greatest movie comics of all time were Buster Keaton and
\nCharlie Chaplain. From time to time I swap who I think was the best. So far
\nI have seen nobody come up to their standards.
\n{@_@}<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #704, from hmccracken, 450 chars, Sat Jun 23 19:32:02 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 699.
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\nLeaving out Keaton was a ridiculous oversight on my part. While
\nI must admit that in someways my regard for him is more intellectual
\nthan emotional, _The General_ has got to be one of the most
\nremarkable motion pictures ever made. And much of the rest of
\nhis stuff is extraordinary. Harry Langdon, on the other hand, who
\nis much less well-remembered, is someone I love even though most
\nof his films aren’t as “great” as Keaton’s work.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #705, from hmccracken, 336 chars, Sat Jun 23 19:34:26 1990
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\nGee, I didn’t even know that Star Classics was still in business.
\nWhen they were one of the only el cheapo PD tape companies around,
\nI bought a tape that didn’t match the cartoons listed on the box,
\nand was a wee bit embarassed in trying to explain to the clerk
\nwhy I was returning it. (Hey, a cartoon’s a cartoon, right?)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #706, from davemackey, 403 chars, Sat Jun 23 22:26:37 1990
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\nSure. To the untrained eye, that is. But I find it a little weird to be
\nwatching a Walt Disney cartoon in PD form (one of the tapes included the
\nJack Hannah cartoon “Hooked Bear” from 1955).
\nCaldor just got a whole bunch of new ones in, and now there’s a brand
\nof PD tapes that encloses free Gummi Bears in the package. (A little
\nfood with your entertainment.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #707, from jshook, 141 chars, Sat Jun 23 23:01:36 1990
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\nNext time you are confused about which of the two was greater, repeat
\nthis phrase to yourself “Chaplin was theater, but Keaton is cinema.”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #708, from hmccracken, 387 chars, Sun Jun 24 00:17:23 1990
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\nDoes that mean you are a Keaton fan? I think the idea that Chaplin
\nwas “theater” is overrated. Have you seen the PBS documentary
\n_The Unknown Chaplin_? He really did work awfully hard, as a
\ndirector, to create his stuff. I think there may be something to
\nthe theory, which I’ve heard more than once, that Chaplin is the
\ngreatest *film* actor in the history of the medium.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #709, from davemackey, 442 chars, Sun Jun 24 08:30:24 1990
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\nI did see “The Unknown Chaplin.” When I was a teenager, PBS used to show
\nthe Chaplin shorts during the summertimes and I went to see revivals of
\n“The Great Dictator” and “Modern Times” in my local theatre. I wasn’t
\naware until I saw “The Unknown Chaplin” that he strove so hard to get his
\nmessage on the screen — which may have been unusual in those lackadaisical
\ndays of filmmaking in the 1910’s.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #710, from hkenner, 476 chars, Sun Jun 24 12:21:02 1990
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\nOpinions sought: is it fairly safe to say that Grim Natwick (at
\npresent 99.85 years old) is the first animator to have boasted
\nformal art school training? (Chicago Art Institute, National
\nAcademy of Design, Vienna National Academy). Winsor McCay for
\ninstance seems to have been self-taught. Max Fleischer was
\nbriefly at Art Students’ League and Cooper Union, but that sounds
\nbush-league.<\/p>\n

Also, does anyone remember the name of the singning crow ensemble
\nin Dumbo ?
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #711, from mscoville, 557 chars, Sun Jun 24 15:14:30 1990
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\nIn response to hkenner’s question concerning the crows in Dumbo,
\nThey were named Fat Crow, Jim (or Dandy)Crow and he was the leader of
\nthe group, Glasses crow who was the smallest and obviously shortsighted,
\npreacher crow and finally Straw Hat Crow. It should be noted that the
\nnames changed throughout the production. Other information on the crows:
\nThe voices of the crows were done by Cliff Edwards and Jim Carmichael.
\nThe singing vioces were provided by the Hall Johnson Choir. They were
\nreportedly drawn by Ward Kimball. Hope this helps.
\nmscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #712, from hmccracken, 149 chars, Sun Jun 24 16:42:05 1990
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\nAnd to expand a little, I don’t believe that either the group or
\nthe individual members had names that were referred to during the
\nmovie.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #713, from hmccracken, 473 chars, Sun Jun 24 16:45:01 1990
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\nI will do a little research on this question, but you may well
\nbe right. Certainly serious art schooling was unusual until
\nthe mid-1930s, when Disney both raided art schools for talent
\nand sent employees to art school at night, as well as conducting
\nclasses at the studio. (All of which led to him organizing
\nCalArts, one of his least-appreciated accomplishments and a
\nuseful rejoinder to those who say that Disney knew nothing of
\nand cared nothing for art.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #714, from jenn, 56 chars, Sun Jun 24 17:35:43 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 683.
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\n“Let’s see you do THAT on television!” — Stan Freberg<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #715, from jshook, 1302 chars, Sun Jun 24 23:26:58 1990
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\nChaplin was indeed a great film actor. What I meant by my
\nremark is that Chaplin did not exploit the film frame and other
\nfilmic devices as Keaton did. Chaplin’s filmmaking technique
\nwas quite conservative–the camera does little more than record
\na series of performances which are essentially theatrical in
\nnature. This is obviously an over-simplification, but I
\nbelieve there is a grain of truth in there….
\nKeaton on the other hand was far more filmic in his approach.
\nHe had a mesterful sense of how to present himself as a graphic
\nelement in the frame so that his actions were always immediately
\nlegible, no matter how far away he was (example: the scene in
\n“Our Hospitality ” [I think] where he runs down the street, stops
\nfranticallyt in front of the church and slides a good 10 or 20
\nfeet before he can change direction and charge up the stairs– all
\nshot from about 300 feet away!) He also was far more inventive in
\nusing filmic techniques like cutting, multiple points of view and so
\non to present the situation. And of course he liked to draw attention
\nto the medium itself, “Sherlock, Jr.” being only the most well-known
\nexample.
\nI have often thought that Keaton’s famouse stone face was his way
\nto ensure that the viewer would be compelled to read him from body
\nlanguage alone.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #716, from hmccracken, 560 chars, Sun Jun 24 23:48:42 1990
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\nI guess we pretty much agree…No doubt Keaton was the greater
\nuser of film’s bag of tricks in many ways. But Keaton’s excellence
\nin this area doesn’t mean that Chaplin was excessively conservative
\nor “of the theater” in his approach; as I say, I think this theory
\nis overrated. (I would rate _The Gold Rush_ with most of Keaton’s
\nwork in its use of cinematic technique, for instance.) For me,
\nChaplin’s body of work is greater than Keaton’s — and certainly
\nhad much more to say — but one’s preference between the two is a
\nvery personal thing.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #717, from jshook, 286 chars, Sun Jun 24 23:57:20 1990
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\nI agree…Chaplin\/Keaton preference is personal, and probably
\nindicative of an underlying characteristic of personality,
\nlike people who like cats rather than dogs and so on. My
\nexperience is that you can never convince those cat people that
\nthey’re wrong–it’s just the way they are.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #718, from hkenner, 233 chars, Mon Jun 25 00:04:48 1990
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\nFinally: has anyone a clear memory of the scene where (Disney’s) Snow
\nWhite runs downstairs? Natwick recalls animating it frame-by-frame
\nYears since I’ve seen it. Is it a *spiral* staircase, and is the
\n“camera” angle oblique?
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #719, from switch, 93 chars, Mon Jun 25 11:46:59 1990
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\nBut how can you convince us (cat people) that we’re wrong when we’re most
\nclearly not?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #720, from hkenner, 108 chars, Mon Jun 25 17:57:27 1990
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\nSee writers.talk\/hk.stuff #336 for a draft of the Grim Natwick
\ntribute. Factual corrections welcomed.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #721, from switch, 287 chars, Mon Jun 25 19:44:16 1990
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\nOnly one such scene: Joan Crawf– er, the Queen running down a spiral
\nstaircase. The camera is facing straight at the staircase itself (which
\nis ‘wrapped’ around a pillar about five-six feet in diameter). This takes
\nplace somewhere around the time she prepares the poison apple.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #722, from mscoville, 145 chars, Mon Jun 25 23:18:33 1990
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\nThis is actually a comment to #720. The question is are you asking
\nThe Queen or Snow White? Let me know and I will check my sources.
\nmscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #723, from steven_edwards, 655 chars, Tue Jun 26 00:04:00 1990
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\nThere is also a staircase scene of note in _The Little Mermaid_. The
\nscene takes place in the castle with Ariel running down a wide, orthogonal
\nstairway after she is (mistakenly) told of her upcoming wedding. If you
\nwatch this carefully, you’ll see a combination rotation and zoom from the
\ncamera’s veiwpoint. Additionally, the zoom movement rate is kept just on
\nthe upper limit to avoid frame sampling aliasing. A similar rate limitation
\ncan be seen on the rotation speed of the horse-drawn carriage wheels that
\nkeeps the spokes from travelling backward. Obviously, there was some computer
\nassistance on these and several other scenes.<\/p>\n

— Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #724, from hkenner, 185 chars, Tue Jun 26 00:21:10 1990
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\nI had Snow White in mind, because Grim named her re the animation of
\nthe staircase sequence. But switch has indicated that it may well have
\nbeen the Queen. *Any* light welcomed.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #725, from hmccracken, 143 chars, Tue Jun 26 01:26:20 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 723.
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\n…And unless I miss my mark there is a similar spiral staircase
\nscene in _Cinderella_, which probably inspired the _Mermaid_ one.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #726, from hmccracken, 146 chars, Tue Jun 26 01:27:29 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 721.
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\nCorrect — it’s an excellent scene, but it’s not Snow White. And
\nthere isn’t any scene in which Snow runs down that spiral
\nstaircase.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #727, from bcapps, 1919 chars, Tue Jun 26 23:31:05 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 717.
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\nIt’s amazing to see the responses triggered by plucking the right memory
\n“string.” \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

The thing that always attracts me more towards Keaton’s films is that there
\nis an underlying complexity to the work as a whole, yet, it seems so
\ncomically simple and spontaneous. Keaton planned everything and then
\nwrapped it up with characters.<\/p>\n

Chaplin, however, had the gift for pathos and portraying the “Everyman.”
\nWhere Keaton took the scientific and complex and utilized them, Chaplin
\nblissfully went about his way in life, involving himself in affairs and
\nhaving fun. Keaton never really had fun. Chaplin danced and pranced
\naround, taking great delight in whatever havoc he could wreak.<\/p>\n

Hmm. But then Keaton usually found himself holding the short end of the
\nstick. Maybe I’ve attached the “Everyman” label to the wrong guy. I guess
\nwhat I meant to say is that Chaplin appealed to masses more because he was
\nhaving fun (something just about everyone likes to do) and he was more
\nemotional (and usually had more “Happy Endings,” a “requirement” in American
\ncinema). We can identify with Keaton, but we yearn to be Chaplin, is
\nprobably the best way to put it.<\/p>\n

And then again, I still find it hard to forgive Chaplin for his merciless
\ncuttings of Keaton’s better moments in “Limelight.” Apparently from
\nthe historical texts I’ve read, Chaplin, peeved at being outstaged,
\ncuts out the scenes himself and only leaves in a few appearances,
\nthose in which Chaplin himself, was funnier. Then, IBM picks up
\nthe Chaplin character as their mascot for their PC line. Cute,
\nimmediately identifiable and strong appeal, but morally nauseous.
\nThese have soured me on Chaplin. Don’t get me wrong. I like
\nChaplin films. Always have, always will. But, I _admire_ Keaton’s
\nworks far and above those of Chaplin, for entertaining me and also
\n“tickling” those scientific and technical parts of psyche at the
\nsame time.<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #728, from davemackey, 868 chars, Wed Jun 27 20:32:37 1990
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\nTITLE: Cartoons in the classroom
\nThe New York Post of June 26, 1990 reported on P.S. 91, in a depressed
\narea of the Bronx. The upshot of the article: when they can’t get
\nsubstitute teachers, they march the kids into the auditorium and make them
\nwatch Bugs Bunny cartoons for 45 minutes! School officials defend the
\npractice, saying “…throughout the country, schools probably show
\ncartoons at one time or another when teachers are out sick… it’s
\nonly a problem if it gets out of hand.”
\nThe only time I ever got to see anything somewhat resembling a cartoon
\nin school was when my 9th grade geometry class got to see “The Dot and The
\nLine” — and what a cartoon! I can remember later hearing that cartoon
\nwon the 1965 Oscar for Chuck Jones and being very impressed that the first
\nplace I ever got to see it was in school.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #729, from switch, 168 chars, Wed Jun 27 21:03:00 1990
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\nI saw _The Dot and the Line_ in class as well. Can’t remember when,
\nthough. I like the idea of showing cartoons for 45 minutes, though.
\nBut then, I’m biased \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #730, from steven_edwards, 993 chars, Wed Jun 27 22:01:42 1990
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\nAs regards non-educational cartoons in the classroom, I would think
\nthat the children get enough of that at home without the taxpayers’ assistance.<\/p>\n

I recall seeing _The Dot and the Line_ as a filler in a movie theater
\nback around 1965 when I was eight. Having not seen it since, it obviously
\nmade quite an impression at the time as I can remember it fairly well.<\/p>\n

I have seen a few educational cartoons in the classroom. I recall
\na number of Disney films with extensive animation that described basic science
\nto the grade school crowd back in the Sixties. I seem to remember a number
\nof films with a Jiminy Cricket narration that taught about the five basic
\nsenses. Perhaps others here could fill in the details.<\/p>\n

There is also the classic “Donald Duck in Mathemagic Land”, which I
\nsaw in an eleveth grade analytic geometry class as a sort of comic relief.<\/p>\n

I also think that the animated version of George Orwell’s _1984_ was
\nshown as part of a high school civics class.<\/p>\n

— Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #731, from switch, 95 chars, Wed Jun 27 23:08:11 1990
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\nThere was an animated _1984_? The only animater Orwell work I know of is
\n_Animal Farm_.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #732, from hmccracken, 117 chars, Wed Jun 27 23:10:13 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 728.
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\nWhat, you never saw _Hemo the Magnificent_ or _Donald in Mathemagic
\nLand_? You led a deprived childhood.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #733, from grekel, 264 chars, Wed Jun 27 23:24:47 1990
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\n>Jiminy Cricket flix…<\/p>\n

I recall one (or more) called “I’m No Fool.” First place I ever heard,
\n“Don’t put anything in your ear larger than your elbow.”<\/p>\n

great stuff. Now Disney chops them up and tries to fit new dialog to the
\nbits to make “new” cartoons.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #734, from jshook, 117 chars, Wed Jun 27 23:59:28 1990
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\nGeee…everything I know about physics I learned from watching
\nRoad Runner cartoons. But I did that on my own time.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #735, from rgswartz, 136 chars, Thu Jun 28 01:35:07 1990
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\nTITLE: Cartoons in the classroom
\nOk kiddies, today we’re going to watch a cartoon. It’s called Fritz the Cat.<\/p>\n

yeah, that’s the ticket<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #736, from davemackey, 363 chars, Thu Jun 28 07:06:20 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 730.
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\nI remember seening “Donald in Mathmagic Land” in Jr. High School, and we had
\na whole course back in Jr. High which I think was called “History Through
\nFilms” or “Literature Through Film” in which we sat around and watched movies.
\nOne of which was the film adaptation of “Fahrenheit 451” which really made an
\nimpression on me.
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #737, from davemackey, 424 chars, Thu Jun 28 07:08:42 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 733.
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\nDisney produced the “I’m No Fool” and “You” series originally for the Mickey
\nMouse Club back in 1955, which eventually spawned a whole educational division.
\nIn fact, the Disney Channel shows a revised version of “I’m No Fool With
\nFire” which incorporates a considerable live-action segment about fire safety
\nin the 1980 So they’re still involved with updating and freshening these
\nfilms.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #738, from steven_edwards, 197 chars, Thu Jun 28 10:18:11 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 731.
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\nOf course, it was _Animal Farm_. Although, now that I think about it
\n(always a good thing to do prior to posting), an animated _1984_ would
\ncertainly be worth watching if it existed.<\/p>\n

— Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #739, from switch, 221 chars, Fri Jun 29 01:17:51 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 735.
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\nWell, we did get to watch some of _Barefoot Gen_ in class last semester.
\nNow that produced some shocked faces. Almost as many as when I showed
\n_Area 88 Act III_’s opening combat sequence in class the year earlier.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #740, from hmccracken, 329 chars, Mon Jul 2 18:40:04 1990
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\nTITLE: Check out the current _New Yorker_ for
\ninteresting reviews of _Gremlins II_ and _Dick Tracy_ that say
\nthe former’s good because it’s like a live-action Warner Bros.
\ncartoon and the latter’s bad because it’s like a live-action
\nDisney cartoon. I agree with the comparisons — except that
\nI *liked* both movies.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #741, from steven_edwards, 823 chars, Mon Jul 2 22:54:17 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 740.
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\nYesterday I went and saw _Dick Tracy_ in Cambridge, Massachusetts on
\na rather rainy Sunday evening, and I didn’t expect too much of a walk-in crowd
\ndue to the poor weather.
\nThe theater was packed. Furthermore, listening in on others’
\nconversation, it was obvious that it was not the first viewing for many of the
\nsomewhat soggy audience. During the film, the biggest laughs came during the
\nvarious literary references spouted by Al Pacino. Definitely worth seeing, in
\nmy opinion.
\nThe biggest applause came during the showing of the attached cartoon,
\n_Roller Coaster Rabbit_, which I thought compared somewhat favorably to the
\nearlier _Tummy Trouble_. Incidentially, has anyone noticed the (subliminal?)
\nreference to another Disney effort (its on a carnival poster) early on in
\n_Roller Coaster Rabbit_ ?<\/p>\n

— Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #742, from jimomura, 575 chars, Tue Jul 3 22:35:44 1990
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\nTITLE: Norm McLaren
\nLiving in Canada means that on occasion, while flipping through
\nthe channels you occasionally see some of the works for McLaren, like
\n“Blinkity Blank.” I just saw this about an hour ago. I’m always impressed
\nby what he produced. I understand that this piece was one of several
\nin which he worked directly on film stock. Despite this he achieved
\ngreat fluidity of movement.<\/p>\n

I may have mentioned before that if you wanted to, you could watch
\nhis life’s work in 1 day.<\/p>\n

I think I’d give him the title for pre-computer-era-lava-lamp
\nking.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #743, from davemackey, 1107 chars, Tue Jul 3 23:47:08 1990
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\nTITLE: Noel Blanc
\nThere’s a Noel Blanc piece about his dad in the July 7 TV Guide. We found
\na little bit of truth-bending on Noel’s part that Dad would be quite proud
\nof. Noel says that Mel did the first 65 episodes of “The Flintstones”
\nfrom his bed in a horizontal position with a mike suspended over his bed.
\nSince “Flinstones” went on the air in September 1960 and Mel Blanc’s
\ncar crash was on January 24, 1961, there had to have been at least a season’s
\nworth of “Flintstones” dialogue already recorded. And there are several
\n“Flintstones” episodes from about the era of Blanc’s accident in which Daws
\nButler did the voice of Barney Rubble instead.
\nMost telling, IMHO, is Noel’s statement that only someone who’s lived
\nwith the characters (read “lived with dad”) can do ’em well in the absence
\nof the great one. Call me crazy for reading into this, but I sense some
\nprofessional jealousy directed toward one Mr. Jeff Bergman, who’s already
\nproved to the Warner’s brass that he can do the voices better without benefit
\nof being a blood relative of Mel Blanc.
\n–Dave M.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #744, from hmccracken, 209 chars, Wed Jul 4 08:38:31 1990
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\nInteresting. Come to think of it, I’ll bet you could watch the
\nlife’s works of *most* independent animators in one day…at
\nleast as long as you were willing to stay up kind of late in some
\ncases.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #745, from hmccracken, 218 chars, Wed Jul 4 08:40:38 1990
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\nI wonder if Warner’ was involved with preparin that article? It’s
\nalmost like they were trying to have it both ways…getting Bergman
\nto do most of the voices, while perpetuating the Mel\/Noel Blanc
\nlegacy.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #746, from davemackey, 174 chars, Wed Jul 4 08:44:59 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 745.
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\nGood morning, Harry… The article probably came from the bowels of Mr. Blanc’s
\nsoul and Warner’s most likely had nothing to do with it.
\n-Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #747, from davemackey, 654 chars, Wed Jul 4 09:38:24 1990
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\n> … album of Carl W. Stalling cartoon music…<\/p>\n

Great news. In late July, Warner Bros. Records is releasing “The Carl
\nStalling Project: Music From Warner Bros. Cartoons, 1936-1958,” produced
\nby Hal Willner.
\nThe album features soundtrack classics spanning Stalling’s entire
\nWarner career, from “Porky’s Poultry Plant” (1936) to “To Itch His Own”
\n(1958), with many stops in between. Willner and aides are said to have
\ngone over one thousand hours of material to cull this album, which
\nfeatures state-of-the-art electronic processing techniques.
\nThe album will be issued on cassette and compact disc.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #748, from hmccracken, 228 chars, Wed Jul 4 12:56:39 1990
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\nWow! Now all we need is a Scott Bradley album…Actually, come
\nto think of it, we also need discs devoted to the works of some
\nof Disney’s 1930s composers, too.
\n(But *nothing* devoted to Terrytoons’s Phil Scheib!)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #749, from davemackey, 592 chars, Wed Jul 4 14:12:14 1990
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\nI should have a list of tracks from the Stalling album later today and
\nwill post same. My brother manages a record store and breathlessly
\ncalled this morning — too many tracks to list over the phone. But
\nthere’s stuff like Duck Dodgers, Scent-imental Romeo, and some of the
\nRaymond Scott pieces like “Dinner Music For A Pack Of Hungry Cannibals.”
\nI, too, am a fan of what Scott Bradley did at M-G-M. With the exception
\nof one cartoon (“The Missing Mouse” scored by Ed Plumb), he was musical
\ndirector of every M-G-M cartoon, 1934 to 1957. Remarkable.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #750, from davemackey, 55 chars, Wed Jul 4 14:13:03 1990
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\nNo Phil Scheib? Would you settle for Winston Sharples?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #751, from hmccracken, 132 chars, Wed Jul 4 17:08:12 1990
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\nSharples was a much better composer than Scheib, in muy mind at
\nleast…Too bad he rarely got to score a decent cartoon!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #752, from richard.pini, 410 chars, Wed Jul 4 17:51:28 1990
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\nTITLE: The quest goes on
\n*sigh* I called the 800 number to order that video cassette advertised on the
\nback cover of recent issues of Harvey comics (the video included a “Land o9f
\nthe Lost” episode) and was told that the tape had been pulled from distrib-
\nution. The person on the other end of the phone could give no details. Foo!
\nAnyone know anything about this? And still looking for other LOTL cartoons…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #754, from ewhac, 37 chars, Wed Jul 4 18:18:04 1990
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\nThey have one guaranteed sale here.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #755, from davemackey, 2044 chars, Wed Jul 4 20:06:45 1990
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\nInformation on “The Carl Stalling Project”
\nAs noted earlier, Warner Bros. Records will soon be releasing
\n“The Carl Stalling Project: Music From Warner Bros. Cartoons,
\n1936-1958.” Here is the tracking and other information.<\/p>\n

Produced by Hal Willner
\nCatalogue #: 4-26027 (cassette), 2-26027 (compact disc);
\nnot available on vinyl<\/p>\n

Side One:
\nPutty Tat Trouble (part 6, 1951)
\nHillbilly Hare (1950)
\nEarly WB Scores: The Depression Era (1936-1941)
\na) Porky’s Poultry Plant — Stalling’s first WB score
\nb) Milk and Money
\nc) Porky’s Romance
\nd) Daffy Doc
\ne) Porky’s Midnight Matinee
\nThe Good Egg — vintage Merrie Melodie
\nVarious Cues from Bugs Bunny Films (1943-1956)
\na) Rabbit Fire
\nb) Robot Rabbit
\nc) Half Fare Hare
\nd) Beanstalk Bunny
\ne) What’s Cookin’ Doc
\nf) Bewitched Bunny
\ng) Windblown Hare
\nh) Hot Cross Bunny
\nThere They Go Go Go — complete Road Runner
\nStalling Self-Parody: Music from Porky’s Preview (1941)
\nAnxiety Montage (1952-1955)
\na) Tree For Two
\nb) Claws For Alarm
\nc) Jumpin’ Jupiter
\nd) Duck Dodgers in the 24-1\/2 Century
\ne) Hyde and Hare
\nStalling: The War Years (1942-1946)
\na) Nutty News
\nb) Puss N’ Booty
\nc) I Got Plenty Of Mutton
\nd) Behind The Meatball
\ne) Mouse Merized Cat
\nf) Book Review<\/p>\n

Side Two:
\nMedley: Dinner Music For A Pack Of Hungry Cannibals (1941-1950)
\na) Caveman Inki
\nb) Porky’s Ant
\nc) Robinson Crusoe Jr.
\nd) Which Is Witch
\ne) Gorilla My Dreams
\nCarl Stalling with Milt Franklyn in session recording “Putty Tat
\nTrouble (1951) and piano effects (1956)
\nSpeedy Gonzales (1955) meets Two Crows From Tacos (1956)
\nPowerhouse and other cats from the early 50’s
\na) Turntale Wolf
\nb) Early To Bet
\nc) Drip Along Daffy
\nd) Bear For Punishment
\ne) Scent-Imental Romeo
\nf) Feed The Kitty
\ng) Beep Beep
\nh) Corn Plastered
\ni) A Hound For Trouble
\nPorky In Wackyland (1938)\/Dough For The Do Do (1949)
\nTo Itch His Own (1958) — Stalling’s last score<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #756, from davemackey, 238 chars, Wed Jul 4 20:08:22 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 751.
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\nSharples had a tough act to follow at Famous Studios: Sammy Timberg. I wish
\nthe Fleischer bros. had been a little more generous with music credits,
\nbut think Timberg did most of ’em near the end.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #757, from hmccracken, 264 chars, Sun Jul 8 19:54:41 1990
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\nTITLE: Check out this month’s issue of _Wigwag_, that
\n_New Yorker_-by-way-of-_Spy_ new magazine, for a lengthy
\narticle on Disney World in which the author indulges in a
\nfair amount of Disney-bashing before admitting, grudingly,
\nthat he liked the place.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #758, from davemackey, 335 chars, Mon Jul 9 18:07:22 1990
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\nTITLE: New WB merchandise…
\n(1) “Chuck Amuck” is to be published in paperback in November, courtesy of
\nAvon.
\n(2) “Happy Birthday Bugs: 50 Looney Years” is going to be released on home
\nvideo sometime in August.
\nThe Bugs anniversary propaganda machine picks up steam as it heads
\ntoward July 27….
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #759, from sharonfisher, 105 chars, Mon Jul 9 18:22:07 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 758.
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\nIf you’re in BOMC, you can get the “old gray hare” Bugs Bunny book for about
\n$10 plus some bonus points.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #760, from steven_edwards, 269 chars, Mon Jul 9 18:28:58 1990
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\nYes, I ordered a copy for a friend. I think the cost was about
\n$10.75 plus two Dividend Credits plus two to three bucks for shipping. The
\nfull title is _Fifty Years Old and Only One Gray Hare_.
\nI’ll let you folks know what it looks like when it arrives.<\/p>\n

— Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #761, from hkenner, 89 chars, Mon Jul 9 19:36:35 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 758.
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\n>>Chuck Amuck paperback–
\nYup, I have a copy of the cover, handed me by CJ himself.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #762, from hkenner, 28 chars, Mon Jul 9 19:37:28 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 759.
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\nQu’est que c’est que BOMC ?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #763, from steven_edwards, 31 chars, Mon Jul 9 20:09:52 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 762.
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\nBOMC = Book Of The Month Club<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #764, from hmccracken, 494 chars, Mon Jul 9 21:14:03 1990
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\nTITLE: Folks who get the _New York Times_ and who haven’t
\nthrown out yesterday’s papers may want to read the article in
\nthe Arts section on _Tiny Toon Adventures_, the upcoming TV
\nseries starring infantized (well, childized) versions of the
\nWarner Bros. characters. The article casts the series in a
\nfavorable light, and based on that, having looked at the press
\nkit for the show, and having spoken to a friend who’s seen a
\ncouple of episodes, I’m actually looking forward to it.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #765, from hmccracken, 342 chars, Mon Jul 9 21:18:53 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 758.
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\nIs July 27th *the* great day for Mr. Bunny? How appropriate, then,
\nthat the big Bugs Bunny issue of my magazine _Animato_, which will
\nbe back from the printer later this week (I hope, I hope) will hit
\nthe stores just about that time! An utter coincidence — I really
\ndidn’t know if Bugs’s birthday was tomorrow or December 31st.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #767, from davemackey, 105 chars, Tue Jul 10 07:18:15 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 765.
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\nBased, of course, on the release date of “A Wild Hare,” July 27, 1940.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #768, from davemackey, 290 chars, Tue Jul 10 22:20:28 1990
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\nTITLE: Anniversary
\nThis is a sad anniversary. It was one year ago today that we lost Mel Blanc.
\nI refuse to believe it’s been that long, but it has.
\nBut since most of his work is still very much a part of us, it’s
\nsomehow as if he has never left.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #769, from hmccracken, 640 chars, Tue Jul 10 22:35:45 1990
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\nA moment of silence, then…<\/p>\n

You’re right, though: as much as anybody I can think of,
\nBlanc will never leave us, really. It’s probably worth
\nconsidering the fact that 95% of the work we remember him for
\nwas done between fifty and thirty years ago already; while
\nhis death formally ended his career, it was the death of
\nthe Hollywood cartoon short that ended his twenty years of
\nbrilliance. One of the side benefits of the rebirth of
\ntheatrical animation that seems to be going on may be the
\nemergence of some new young Mel Blancs — TV animation has
\nnever quite provided such artists with the showcase you’d
\nthink it would.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #770, from switch, 330 chars, Wed Jul 11 00:18:21 1990
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\nA friend (a clone, really) dropped by this afternoon and we spent
\na good deal of time reciting Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck cartoons at
\neach other (Bugs and Daffy are my first and second favorite chaarcters
\nrespectively; he’s the opposite), and drank a toast to the memory
\n\u001bof Mel. We hadn’t realized it was one year today…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #771, from steven_edwards, 327 chars, Wed Jul 11 10:21:49 1990
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\nI heard a report on one of the cable news stations yesterday that Mel
\nBlanc’s son is replacing his father’s somewhat conventional tombstone with a
\nbrightly colored new one that has the inscription:<\/p>\n

“That’s All, Folks!”<\/p>\n

It has been claimed that these were also Blanc’s last words, and so
\nmake a fitting epitaph.<\/p>\n

— Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #772, from davemackey, 255 chars, Thu Jul 12 00:27:07 1990
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\nActually, “That’s All Folks!” were Mel Blanc’s last RECORDED words, and the
\ntombstone is made of white marble. The cemetery he’s buried in is the
\nBeth Olam cemetery in Hollywood.
\n–Dave (as reported in
\nUsa Today)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #773, from davemackey, 141 chars, Fri Jul 13 00:54:23 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 760.
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\nSteve, you will not be disappointed. TINAR, but it’s one of the best
\nanimation books in recent memory.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #774, from davemackey, 180 chars, Fri Jul 13 00:58:35 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 757.
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\nI was too busy playing the scavenger hunt to notice. Is that 13 cabins
\nat Aspen, and where’s the great grandson of the first Vice President?
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #775, from davemackey, 326 chars, Sat Jul 14 20:38:20 1990
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\nTITLE: Bugs #2
\nSecond issue of the DC Comics “Bugs Bunny” miniseries written by Joey
\nCavalieri and drawn by Chuck Fiala is now in comics shops. Featuring
\nappearances by Pepe le Pew, The Goofy Gophers, Rocky & Mugsy and other
\ndelights. But in this issue, Daffy seems to take center stage.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #776, from bcapps, 1293 chars, Sun Jul 15 00:25:42 1990
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\nI was just listening to the Howard Stern morning radio broadcast last
\nweek (it’s also brdcst in DC) and I heard the tease that they were going to
\nbe talking to Noel Blanc. Naturally, I didn’t go immediately into the
\noffice and lingered for awhile in the parking lot to listen. Seems he and
\nanother person (sorry, the name just doesn’t want to come back) are doing
\nBugs alternately for WB now and just got through doing 1400 name-oriented
\nbirthday messages for a 900 service (1-900-VIP-BUGS, I remembered that, also
\nthe $6.95 cost!) which delivers personalize messages from Bugs for . He also talked about Dad quite a bit. Seems that Noel can
\nonly do some of the voices (he doesn’t do Yosemite Sam) his Tweety was
\n_really_ reaching, but his Bugs was good. Pretty much right on, your
\nharmonic decipherings may differ. But they also talked a little about Mom
\nwho also used to help do voices. This kid grew up in an interesting
\nhousehold. Seems that Dad also helped him drill on the voices too. But
\nhe didn’t get all of them. And that’s the tragic, but wonderous, thing about
\ncreative talent such as Mel’s; You can replace such talent, but you’ll be
\nvery hard-pressed to ever find it again in one individual, even his son.
\nRest well, Mel…<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #777, from davemackey, 347 chars, Sun Jul 15 08:50:37 1990
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\nThe interesting thing about that is that one of Stern’s pseudo-regulars,
\nBilly West, can do some of the Warner’s characters better than either
\nNoel Blanc or Jeff Bergman.
\nAre you sure you heard this show this past week? Stern was in reruns
\nin New York City all week getting ready for his television show.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #778, from switch, 271 chars, Sun Jul 15 23:22:08 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 776.
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\nAt the Chuck Jones: Comedy in Animation show this weekend, someone
\nasked Jones about his opinion of Noel Blanc’s voices versus Jeff
\nBergman’s. His opinion is the same as mine (well, he put it into
\nwords): Noel can imitate Mel doing Bugs, but he can’t _be_ Bugs…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #779, from dave.f, 355 chars, Mon Jul 16 18:22:52 1990
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\nre: Billy used to be a regular with Charles
\nLaquidara on WBCN in Boston. I was highly impressed with his range. He did
\nget tapped to do the voice of Cecil in the briefly resurrected BEANY AND
\nCECIL, but I can’t believe he’s not doing any cartoon voices on a regular
\nbasis. He really has a gift for characterizations.<\/p>\n

D=<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #780, from davemackey, 261 chars, Mon Jul 16 21:11:58 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 779.
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\nI don’t see why he’s not doing more voices, either. This week on one of
\nStern’s pre-recorded commercials he did before his vacation, he had Billy
\ndo an almost flawless Daffy Duck. And yes, that was Billy doing Cecil on
\nthe very bad B&C show. It wasn’t too bad.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #781, from bcapps, 79 chars, Tue Jul 17 00:15:27 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 777.
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\nDave,
\nIt was the Wednesday before the reruns. It was the live stuff.<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #782, from davemackey, 465 chars, Fri Jul 27 00:09:52 1990
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\nTITLE: This is the day
\nAs I’m sure everyone knows by now, it’s Bugs Bunny’s 50th anniversary.
\nAnd today is the actual day. It was 50 years ago today that a Fred Avery
\nsupervised Merrie Melodie called “A Wild Hare” hit theatre screens, introducing
\nthe latest variation on the rabbit who had appeared in several previous films.
\nNo need for further variations, this was the one. And so today we
\nraise our glass in toast.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #783, from hmccracken, 114 chars, Fri Jul 27 00:13:43 1990
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\nWell, happy birthday to Bugs! And I hope the glass we raise in
\ntoast contains some fine carrot juice!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #784, from sharonfisher, 230 chars, Fri Jul 27 03:20:05 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 783.
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\nI just returned from a theater where they showed a bunch of Bugs Bunny
\ncartoons, including Porky’s Hare Hunt and A Wild Hare, the first two Bugs
\ncartoons (although they weren’t called that then).
\nI hadn’t seen Porky’s before…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #785, from tom.white, 196 chars, Fri Jul 27 13:46:32 1990
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\nLocal theatre is running The Brave Little Toaster. Local reviewer
\nsaid it was pretty good. The theatre is a pain to get to; any
\nfirst-hand opinions on this film, if I should go see it or not?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #786, from hmccracken, 374 chars, Fri Jul 27 18:18:29 1990
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\nYeah, I’d probably go… It’s a cute little movie that’s most
\ncertainly one of the better non-Disney animated features of
\nthe past few years. (Though as you may know, it began as a
\nDisney film…After it was canceled as a Disney project, it
\nwas picked up by a new studio, and even then Disney invested
\nsome money in the project in return for the cable rights.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #787, from sharonfisher, 20 chars, Fri Jul 27 20:21:06 1990
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\nWell, I liked it…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #788, from bcapps, 40 chars, Fri Jul 27 23:46:51 1990
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\nHappy boithday you sthilly wabbit!<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #789, from davemackey, 492 chars, Sat Jul 28 17:28:02 1990
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\nHoliday Inns last evening acknowledged the official 50th birthday of Bugs
\nby serving complimentary carrot cake with their dinners. And I celebrated
\nwith lots of other partygoers at a nightclub called Taylor’s in Cherry
\nHill, NJ, where they were doing a cross-promotion with AMC Theatres.
\nThey showed a six-minute featurette which included film clips of Bugs
\nand interviews with Friz Freleng, Chuck Jones, Maurice Noble, Terry
\nLennon and Darrell Van Citters.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #790, from davemackey, 237 chars, Sat Jul 28 17:29:30 1990
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\nHopefully you saw “Porky’s Hare Hunt” in black-and-white and not ghastly
\nredrawn color! “Hare Hunt” was nothing more than a variation of Avery’s
\n“Porky’s Duck Hunt,” the cartoon that introduced Daffy Duck.
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #791, from davemackey, 231 chars, Sat Jul 28 17:31:10 1990
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\nI’ve seen it on cable a number of times… a pretty nice little film. It
\nwas produced by the Kushner-Locke organization and directed by Jerry Rees,
\nwhose wife Rebecca also worked on the film.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #792, from hmccracken, 360 chars, Sat Jul 28 19:54:17 1990
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\nI am told by a friend of mine, Steve Segal, who traveled to
\nTaiwan to work on the film, the Rebecca Rees is extremely
\ntalented. Jerry Rees has worked on a bunch of projects for
\nDisney, including the excellent film that combines live
\naction of Walter Cronkite with animation of Robin Williams
\nwhich is shown at the Disney-MGM Studios animation tour.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #793, from davemackey, 485 chars, Sun Jul 29 18:53:43 1990
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\nTITLE: Mermaid pulled
\nA supermarket chain in Phoenix has pulled the videocassette release of
\n“The Little Mermaid” off its shelves. The reason: if you look closely
\nat the castle in the background, one of the castle’s spires bears a
\nstriking resemblance to an erect male genital.
\nThis is true; it was in Billboard. No one knows how the penis got
\nthere, but it’s there all right: I checked my copy just to be sure,
\nand they’re absolutely right.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #794, from hmccracken, 107 chars, Sun Jul 29 19:24:37 1990
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\nAccording to, I believe, _Entertainment Weekly_, a disgruntled
\nDisney artist did the dirty deed.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #795, from steven_edwards, 599 chars, Sun Jul 29 20:22:36 1990
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\nI don’t see how the painting can be too suggestive if it has taken
\nthis long for the symbolism to be noted. After all, all towers are at least
\na little bit phallic, and the ones one _The Little Mermaid_ aren’t even
\nremotely comparable to those on St. Basil’s in Moscow, or on most mosques I
\nhave seen.
\nIncidentially, this week’s _TV Guide_ discusses various newly released
\nhome videos including _Peter Pan_ and _All Dogs Go To Heaven_; there is also
\na suggestion that Disney is going for a second press run on the Mermaid tape.<\/p>\n

— Steve (who recently spent five bucks on a mermaid coffee mug)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #796, from ewhac, 27 chars, Mon Jul 30 05:17:21 1990
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\nInstant collectors’ item.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #797, from sharonfisher, 58 chars, Mon Jul 30 17:45:48 1990
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\nYes, it was in b&w, and yes, I noticed the resemblance…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #798, from davemackey, 409 chars, Mon Jul 30 19:19:11 1990
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\nTITLE: Time
\nNice article on the animation Boom in the Aug. 6 Time. About the only
\nreal news is that Steven Bochco, who’s given us such series as “Hill
\nStreet Blues” this fall’s police musical “Cop Rock,” is developing
\nan animated series for ABC in which White House politics are seen through
\nthe eyes of mice, bugs and other creatures roaming under the First Couple’s
\nfeet.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #799, from davemackey, 214 chars, Mon Jul 30 19:21:14 1990
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\nAnd millions of ’em out there. Remember that Disney embargoes most
\nof its video releases after a while and “Mermaid” is scheduled to go
\noff the schedule after it, um, peters out.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #800, from hmccracken, 71 chars, Mon Jul 30 19:27:34 1990
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\nWonder if they’ll alter the picture on any future printings?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #801, from hmccracken, 724 chars, Mon Jul 30 19:40:10 1990
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\nTITLE: If any of you are planning to be in the L.A. area on August
\n5th, you should definitely plan on attending the animation art
\nauction being put on by Howard Lowery at the Burbank Hilton at
\n(I believe) 6:00 PM. I’ve mentioned before the excellence of
\nthe stuff he comes up with for his auctions, and his new catalog
\nis crammed with fascinating things, including an original greeting
\ncard drawn and signed by Tex Avery’s animation staff in the late
\n1930s for presentation to their boss. (The card is actually going
\nto be sold at a future auction, BTW).<\/p>\n

The artwork offered is not cheap, and even the catalog itself is
\ntwelve bucks…But it looks like a classy affair. Plus, Lowery is
\na nice and decent guy.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #803, from hmccracken, 915 chars, Tue Jul 31 21:38:58 1990
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\nTITLE: Ever open a paper and read the obituary of someone you would
\nhave thought died thirty years ago? I just found out that Margaret
\nWinkler died on June 21st. Miss Winkler distributed Walt Disney’s
\n“Alice” cartoons in the mid 1920s; her husband was Charles Mintz,
\nwhose raiding of the Disney studio for talent and the character of
\nOswald the Rabbit led to the creation of Mickey Mouse. (Mintz also
\nran the Columbia studio during the 1930s.)<\/p>\n

Miss Winkler, who was 95 when she passed away, certainly deserves
\ncredit for being one of the first people to recognize Disney’s
\ntalent (she also distributed the works of several other studios,
\nby the way). I’d also imagine her to be a pretty early example of
\na successful businesswoman in the film game. As we mark her
\npassing, we can blame, for the moment, her company’s eventual
\nmistreatment of Walt Disney on her husband; he *did* die decades
\nago.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #805, from tshim, 1229 chars, Tue Jul 31 23:04:16 1990
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\nHello, Mr. McCracken.<\/p>\n

I’m quite impressed with your Animato! journal. Are there any plans to
\nreprint the out-of-print digests?<\/p>\n

(P.S. Not to ruffle any feathers, but how often do you publish? I wonder
\nbecause the frequency of issues seems (unfortunately) few-and-far-between.)<\/p>\n

One more question: I’ve tried to obtain info on Cartoon Quarterly, a virgin
\npublication from your colleague and staff member Jim Korkis, but it’s as
\nelusive as catching Michigan J. Frog singing. Any address or phone number
\nwill be appreciated, thanks.<\/p>\n

As for my favorite pieces of animation, I would have to say the “Rabbit Fire”
\ntrilogy, and Clampett’s “Old Grey Hare.” I have this weird affection
\nfor Arthur Davis’ work, and also for Bob McKimson’s earlier stuff.
\nAvery’s “Bad Luck Blackie” gets honorable mention, as does Disney’s “101
\nDalmations (if only for sentimental value, sorry). And one guilty pleasure:
\n“Watership Down,” if only for some good Hubley stuff, and the one time a
\nnon-Disney script for an animated feature surpassed the animation (which I
\nguess could be damning with faint praise … but I digress). The voices were
\ngood too. Too bad “The Plague Dogs” — which had superb animation — wasn’t
\nnearly as well-written.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #806, from tshim, 605 chars, Tue Jul 31 23:10:48 1990
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\nThere are a lot that ABC cuts.<\/p>\n

“Rabbit of Seville” and “Bugs Bonnet(s?)” have various direct shots to
\ncharacters cut out. The fact that some of these cuts are rather invisible
\nmakes them more insidious than clever.<\/p>\n

I recall that when CBS ran the WB stuff, there were even more cuts. The head
\nof CBS Saturday morning programming said something to the effect of, “Well,
\nif Warners didn’t make them so violent in the first place …” Uh … yeh.<\/p>\n

Considering the number of people who grew up healthy on this stuff, and not
\ninto Son-of-Sam maniacs, this kind of paranoid editing completely stupifies
\nme.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #807, from tshim, 582 chars, Tue Jul 31 23:15:05 1990
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\nHere in New York, about three years ago, you got about an hours’ worth
\nof post-’48 stuff on ch.5 (Fox’s flagship station now) and about an hours’
\nworth of pre-’48 stuff on ch.9, every day, seven days a week. Then ch.9
\nbought out ch.5 and showed that plus an extra hour on Sundays.<\/p>\n

Now all the pre-’48 stuff is only on TNT, and post-’48 stuff reduced to
\na half-hour a day on the weekdays. MGM stuff, which used to be shown
\non ch.11 here, is now only on TBS and TNT also.<\/p>\n

(By the way, ch.9 here is WWOR, the superstation on most cable systems around
\nthe nation.)<\/p>\n

— Thomas Shim<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #808, from hmccracken, 1360 chars, Wed Aug 1 00:14:25 1990
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\nWelcome, Thomas!<\/p>\n

To try to answer your questions in no particular order, _Animato_’s
\npublishing schedule is irregular. We get it out as often as we can,
\nand quite intentionally avoid stating frequency in places like our
\nmasthead. The new issue, #20, is just out — it hasn’t reached stores
\nor most subscribers yet.<\/p>\n

Secondly, there aren’t any plans to reprint our out-of-print issues.
\n*I* think it’s a swell idea, but our publisher, Mike Ventrella, would
\nrather let these less-slick magazines stay out of print. Since he
\nwas largely responsible for all the digest issues save the last two,
\nI haven’t pressed him all that hard on the matter. Mike is, however,
\nplanning to put together a “Best of Animato” special which would
\nreprint the best material from those issues. And if you really want
\nto see them reprinted, it couldn’t hurt to write Mike at our PO
\nBox and tell him so.<\/p>\n

Thirdly, _Cartoon Quarterly_ has seen only one issue, and is unlikely
\nto resume publication anytime soon. But then again, Jim Korkis and
\nJohn Cawley say that it’s not entirely dead, either, so I wouldn’t
\nclose the book on it altogether — there may be future issues if they
\ncan get together with a publisher. The new issue of _Animato_
\nincludes several features that were planned for the second issue of
\n_CQ_.<\/p>\n

And many thanks for the kind words about _Animato_!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #809, from ewhac, 338 chars, Wed Aug 1 05:39:43 1990
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\nI recall one Sylvester cartoon where he is caught on a streetcar
\npowerline being chased by a streetcar. As the streetcar reaches him,
\nhe gets zapped by 376 skillion volts.<\/p>\n

Except you don’t see him get zapped. Some BOZO cut that sequence
\nout. (I wonder if this will get applied to “The A Team” when it gets
\nsyndicated.)<\/p>\n

Schwab<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #810, from ewhac, 180 chars, Wed Aug 1 05:42:08 1990
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\nJust checked this out at the Wherehouse at the mall. Took me
\nabout 45 seconds to find it in the picture. It’s well-hidden, but once
\nyou find it, it’s unmistakable.<\/p>\n

Schwab<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #811, from switch, 86 chars, Wed Aug 1 06:54:25 1990
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\nTITLE: Latest in listings…
\nRec.arts.anime digest #20 has just been installed.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #812, from tshim, 292 chars, Wed Aug 1 10:06:35 1990
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\nExactly my sentiments.<\/p>\n

How stupid do the censors think kids are these days? Can you imagine some
\nchild seeing Sylvester getting zapped, and going, “Gee, that looks fun, I’ll
\ngo and stick >< finger in that wall socket there too!” Er, yeah.<\/p>\n

But it seems the networks believe this to be so.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #813, from tshim, 533 chars, Wed Aug 1 10:11:55 1990
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\nNot to beat a dead horse, but …<\/p>\n

Three quick things: Can you give me an address to obtain the lone issue
\nof ?<\/p>\n

Second: So how many letters >did< you get for saying that Friz Freleng tends
\nto be “taken for granted” by most Warner Bros. fans?<\/p>\n

Third: Is Dave Bastian taking out life insurance and has he hired P.I.’s to
\nkeep an eye out for lanky animators with goaties out for literary revenge?
\n(Heh ehe — personally, I think maybe you should have printed a re-rebuttal
\nfrom Bastian to explain himself somewhat.)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #814, from tshim, 492 chars, Wed Aug 1 10:17:02 1990
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\nThe Museum of Broadcasting is likewise showing their (apparently) bi-decade
\ntribute to Jay Ward (with 60s commercials intact). Loads of fun on a 100″
\nprojection television, from Crusader Rabbit to George of the Jungle, with
\nhealthy amounts of Dudley, Fractured Fairy Tales, and R&B too, of course.<\/p>\n

“Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat …”<\/p>\n

“Again?”<\/p>\n

“Nothing up my sleeve …”<\/p>\n

“… Presto!” “Time to get a new hat …”<\/p>\n

(“And now for something >really< amazing …”) ========================== animation\/main #815, from tshim, 266 chars, Wed Aug 1 10:24:27 1990 This is a comment to message 814. ————————– The Museum of New York is in New York City (Manhattan, 1 East 53rd St., just off Fifth Avenue). They have private viewing booths too, if anybody comes here after the festival and wants to see old stuff like “The Bugs Bunny Show” as well as “Rocky and Bullwinkle.” ========================== animation\/main #816, from tshim, 118 chars, Wed Aug 1 10:25:42 1990 This is a comment to message 34. ————————– Actually, isn’t Natwick working on segments for Dick Williams’ “The Cobbler and the Thief” (20 years in the making!)? ========================== animation\/main #817, from tshim, 1211 chars, Wed Aug 1 10:35:34 1990 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: Trivia that has driven me crazy for years. I know Tom McKimson is Bob’s brother, and an animator with him before Tom left Warners soon after (before?) Bob took over as director, but who’s Charles McKimson, the long-time animator of Bob’s unit into the 50s? And is he related to the others? Second: I know that stop-motion monsters like King Kong, those of Ray Harry- hausen, and those Tauntauns and walkers in Empire Strikes Back, always move kind of stiffly, and with a strobe effect (likewise clay animation, as done by Will Vinton and his Calif. Raisins). The strobing is unavoidable due to the fact that each exposure is frozen and in perfect focus, and does not include the blurring that makes live-action so smooth looking. Moving the tauntaun in the Star Wars films slightly while exposed helped alleviate the strobing somewhat, but not much. But!!! Cels of animation are >also< likewise in perfect focus, but a well- animated film will >not< show strobing at all! Look at any golden-age cartoon: Although there are distortions in very fast action (double eyes, smear animation, etc.), in most sequences, the individual frames are in perfect focus. So where is this obligatory strobing?? ========================== animation\/main #818, from switch, 280 chars, Wed Aug 1 12:52:44 1990 This is a comment to message 817. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 817. ————————– I had always thought the ‘strobe’ effect was due to the fact that every time you moved a figurine, you unavoidably move the whole object marginally, and in uneven bursts (for want of a better word). OTOH, I’ve as yet to work in pixellation, so this is pure speculation… Emru ========================== animation\/main #819, from tshim, 33 chars, Wed Aug 1 13:33:14 1990 This is a comment to message 801. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– How does one obtain the catalog? ========================== animation\/main #820, from tshim, 564 chars, Wed Aug 1 13:39:36 1990 This is a comment to message 818. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 818. ————————– I also figured that cel animation was likewise more precise than stop-motion\/claymation, and like you say, that must contribute to the strobing effect. But ILM at Lucasfilm employs go-motion in attempts to decrease strobing due to what they apparently believe is the sharp focus of objects. Go-motion blurs the object’s movement during exposure, but from what you see on the screen, it still strobes, probably due to what you say in your message. In any case, wouldn’t the sharp focus of cels cause some unrealistic effect as well, if not necessarily strobing? ========================== animation\/main #821, from switch, 39 chars, Wed Aug 1 14:04:25 1990 This is a comment to message 819. ————————– Check out animation\/sources #77. Emru ========================== animation\/main #822, from switch, 248 chars, Wed Aug 1 14:07:21 1990 This is a comment to message 820. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Yes. Ever seen a human being stand absolutely rock solid? Or with all of his body in constant, minute motions? With cel animation it’s fairly easy to fall into that trap. Whoops. I’d go into more but they need this line (I’m at work)… Emru ========================== animation\/main #823, from morganfox, 170 chars, Wed Aug 1 16:30:45 1990 This is a comment to message 812. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Well…..after TNMT cames out, various cities reported greatly increased incidents involving kids getting hurt, trapped etc. in sewers…so go figure. (That is the film) ========================== animation\/main #824, from hmccracken, 802 chars, Wed Aug 1 18:27:50 1990 This is a comment to message 823. There are additional comments to message 823. ————————– CQ #1 is $6.00 from Cartoon & Comic Company (that’s Jim and John’s company) at PO Box 1458, Burbank, CA 91505. The only letter we got berating me for saying that about Friz Freleng (and I still think it’s true) was that one we published. Although Dave Bastian and Shamus Culhane both live in NYC, I don’t think Dave has anything to worry about. Shamus tends to express himself in the most forceful way possible on whatever topic he’s discussing, as he did in his response to Dave’s review of his book. I have had trouble convincing a few people that Shamus is a good friend of _Animato_ after that letter he wrote, until I show them a kind comment he made about the magazine. The lack of a response or a refusal to respond to Shamus’s letter, by the way, was Dave Bastian’s own choice. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #825, from tshim, 221 chars, Wed Aug 1 20:46:14 1990 This is a comment to message 823. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– I find that hard to believe. Are kids stupid enough to try some of the things that go on in these cartoons? If so, they make a great case for juvenile asylums. MorganFox, from what source did you get this information? ========================== animation\/main #826, from tshim, 199 chars, Wed Aug 1 20:49:47 1990 This is a comment to message 822. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– It seems that with animation, it almost never strobes (if done well). Does an animator have that fine a control to prevent strobing due to precise focus? (Please continue when you get a free line.) ========================== animation\/main #827, from tshim, 431 chars, Wed Aug 1 21:22:21 1990 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: The Animation Forum I’m new here, so if this is a naive question, say so. When is the Animation Forum open? I’m speaking of the CBix choice here. I understand you’ve had Jerry Beck on once, but I was under the impression people could converse “live” here anytime, but the joint seems closed. If it’s only open for celebrities, when is the next one? And, for that matter, who others besides Jerry Beck have we had here? ========================== animation\/main #828, from switch, 223 chars, Wed Aug 1 21:33:07 1990 This is a comment to message 827. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 827. ————————– We’re working on it, we’re working on it… As soon as I get my schedule worked out, we will probably start having a regular CBIX. Probably not weekly for starters, but there will be something. Watch this space… Emru ========================== animation\/main #829, from jenn, 208 chars, Wed Aug 1 21:53:05 1990 This is a comment to message 827. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– >Well, we tried to have regular animation\/cbix’s…but it
\ngot kinda lonely with Harry, switch, and me there by ourselves. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

We are discussing starting it up again. Not weekly at first,
\nmaybe bi-weekly.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #830, from tshim, 127 chars, Wed Aug 1 22:18:37 1990
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\nI hope I didn’t give an impression of impatience. If so, I apologize.<\/p>\n

Just wondering, but is Jerry Beck the only one so far?<\/p>\n

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\nReally? I was thinking maybe with all these people here, there
\nwould be more participants. I was mildly shocked that so few were
\nin on the Jerry Beck CBix. (I can kill myself, I have so many questions
\nfor the dude.)<\/p>\n

I have four weeks vacation, and an unlimited account on BIX and Tymenet,
\nso I’ll be more than happy to be in on the fun.<\/p>\n

P.S. Like I asked switch, has Beck been the only celeb thus far?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #832, from jenn, 260 chars, Wed Aug 1 22:24:29 1990
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\nBeck has been the only celeb so far. We actually did have
\na pretty good turnout for that. It was just the
\nget-together cbix’s that left something to be desired.<\/p>\n

He is also certainly not the only celeb we hope to
\nget online.<\/p>\n

Btw, welcome to the conference!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #833, from hmccracken, 291 chars, Wed Aug 1 22:52:12 1990
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\nYou are forgetting (or probably blocking out of your memory) the
\nsession with Steve Segal, Jenn. (Which you might not have been
\npresent for — I don’t quite recall.) There were scads of tech
\nproblems, but for the fleeting moments that everything worked it
\nwas quite interesting.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #834, from hmccracken, 121 chars, Wed Aug 1 22:53:28 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 831.
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\nDo you have any specific questions for Jerry? I will be seeing
\nhim this week and might be able to relay them.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #835, from hmccracken, 176 chars, Wed Aug 1 22:54:51 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 817.
\nThere are additional comments to message 817.
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\nCharles was brother to Bob and Tom. Tom left animation to become
\na prolific comic-book and childrens’-book cartoonist (doing lots
\nof work on the Warner characters).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #836, from switch, 594 chars, Wed Aug 1 23:15:04 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 826.
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\nAll I was going to do was point up the basic differences between
\na drawing and a living, breathing person, really. Animated characters
\ntend to work in “segments” usually, even counting a segment as,
\nsay, half of the body. A real human body shifts imperceptibly with
\nalmost every movement.<\/p>\n

Also, animated characters tend to work a bit differently when they
\nmake gross movements. Watch a walking animated character coming to
\na stop and a walking person coming to a stop.<\/p>\n

Sorry if this doesn’t come out right; I usually have a hard time
\ndescribing something I see almost intuitively…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #837, from switch, 155 chars, Wed Aug 1 23:16:24 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 830.
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\nThere was a CBIX with Steve Segal, but BIX and the telecom gods
\nconspired against that one. There might be a second try in the
\nfuture, who knows…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #838, from switch, 226 chars, Wed Aug 1 23:17:50 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 831.
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\nIf you have any questions with respect to Streamline Pictures,
\ncheck out the rec.arts.anime digests in animation\/listings. Or
\nask here, as I lost a number of files destined for the digests
\nwhen my UUCP feed went down.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #839, from davemackey, 535 chars, Wed Aug 1 23:33:52 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 806.
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\nHi there, apparently you’re new and just catching up on our vast library
\nof messages, otherwise there wouldn’t be 36 new messages in this section
\nsince last night. So welcome aboard.
\nNow as to your message, there are lots of cartoons — Warner’s and
\notherwise — in which the firing of weapons are deleted. If you saw the
\npiece on the revived Bugs Bunny comic strip in the latest Animato!, you
\nwould learn that they can’t show weapons, either. So I guess it’s more
\na pacifist thing than anything.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #840, from davemackey, 541 chars, Wed Aug 1 23:40:36 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 817.
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\nElaborating on what Harry already gave you on Los Bros. McKimson…
\nTom and Robert had been working there since the Harman-Ising days and
\nmight have started work on the same day. Charles, who I believe was
\nthe oldest, joined later and stayed until about 1953. Tom aligned with
\nthe Harman-Ising group when it moved to M-G-M and later returned as an
\nanimator\/layout man for Clampett and later Art Davis. All three McK.
\nbrothers received their earliest art training from Mother McKimson.
\nHope this helps ya!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #841, from jshook, 959 chars, Wed Aug 1 23:42:10 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 817.
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\nDon’t know about the McKimsons.<\/p>\n

Strobing in animation: This is an interesting question, and I have
\nnever considered it fully before. The short answer is that you can
\nin fact get strobing in cel animation. Horizontal camera moves past
\na picket fence will sometimes give you on-screen strobing. That’s
\nwhy all camera moves are shot on ones even if the cels animate on
\ntwos or threes. And most automated cameras that I have worked on
\nallow you to make the exposure while the camera or table is moving
\nso that you get a natural blur during camera moves. Bu these effects
\ncome from motion of the background, not the characters, which is
\nreally what you are asking about. This is just a guess, but perhaps
\nit’s a perceptual effect caused by the nature of te imagery itself:
\ncel animation, no matter how complex or detailed will always be visually
\nflatter than dimensional animation. And this flatness may work to surpress
\nthe strobing.
\nBut I don’t know.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #842, from tshim, 74 chars, Wed Aug 1 23:49:49 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 833.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nWill you be posting this CBix (w\/Segal) in the files section too, Harry?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #843, from jshook, 989 chars, Wed Aug 1 23:50:17 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 818.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nNo, it’s simply the fact that usually what you are seeing is
\na scuccession of perfectly-sharp images. That’s why systems
\nlike GoMation (?), not sure if this is the right name) wrerere
\ndevised. Parts of the figures are attached to stepper motor
\nand the figure is moved slightly during the exposure. This
\ntechnique was used widely (though not for the first time) in the
\ndimensional animation for “Dragonslayer.”
\nThe effect is also exploited by means of stroboscopic
\ncinematography. Instead of each frame accounting for the
\n1\/50th of a second or so that normal cinematography uses, each
\nframe is exposed to intense light for a much smaller fraction of
\ntime (although 24 are still exposed each second). This produces
\nindividual frames that are razor sharp, even when there are objects
\nin motion within the scene. You have seen this effect in tv
\ncommercials (even if you have not realised it) when they show things
\nlike individual salt crystals bouncing in closeup of off ears of corn.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #844, from hmccracken, 304 chars, Wed Aug 1 23:56:23 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 842.
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\nWouldn’t be too informative — it was 50% Steve being unsuccessful
\nin getting on, 25% him getting bounced out of the system by BIX,
\n10% him wandering around other conferences in a fruitless attempt
\nto find this one, and maybe 15% disjointed questions and answers.
\n(And 2% butterscotch ripple.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #845, from tshim, 1038 chars, Wed Aug 1 23:57:53 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 834.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nSure, I sent him a letter just today, with a self-addressed stamped envelope.
\nI’m not sure how busy he’ll be, or if he’ll write back, so if you can verbally
\nace him out, great.<\/p>\n

Three questions, mainly: Why is the 50s section in LT and MM’s (his book)
\nmore profuse in subjective statements than in other sections?<\/p>\n

And — in the Scarecrow edition of The Warner Bros Cartoons, he (or Will F.)
\npraise Rod Scribner for the loose-limbed animation of Foghorn and the Genie
\nin A-Lad-In his Lamp, two early McKimson classics. But Scribner (credited
\nas animator in “A Wild Hare”) didn’t join McKimson’s unit until after the 50s
\nwhen McKimson’s style was much squarer. I was wondering if Jerry\/Will
\nmeant either John Carey or Manny Gould (who were left when Scribner and
\nHerb Cohen came in) [Charles McK. and Phil DeLara stayed on].<\/p>\n

Like I said, the letter was more comprehensive, and has a SASE, so if this is
\na mouthful, you can let the letter do the job. But if you two have the time,
\nI’d appreciate the forwarding of the above. Thanks!!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #846, from tshim, 257 chars, Thu Aug 2 00:00:28 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 840.
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\nThis sure does — so little is written about McK, it’s a boon to find
\nsuch a wealth (and >>speed<<!!) of knowledge just a modem away. Awww, I’ll come out and say it now — youse guys are de best! (Now imagine what I’ll say when I get to really know you!) ========================== animation\/main #847, from hmccracken, 471 chars, Thu Aug 2 00:01:22 1990 This is a comment to message 845. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 845. ————————– I know that Will and Jerry divided their work on the book into decades, with each handling certain ten-year spans. That might explain why the 1950s stick out from the rest of the book. (I can’t remember offhand if Will or Jerry handled that section, but the book notes who did what.) I don’t know much about Scribner’s career after the Clampett unit closed — he didn’t move into the McKimson unit, at least for a while? I will try to ask Jerry about this. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #848, from tshim, 983 chars, Thu Aug 2 00:05:49 1990 This is a comment to message 841. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 841. ————————– Thanks for the comments … they give me an explanation I never would have imagined. Speaking of camera pans — the fact that the camera >accelerates< and >decelerates< naturally, although the pan is obviously shot frame-to-frame: Is this all calculated out? Same with zooms and pans — are the decelerations and accelerations of the movements actually calculated? Also: In the 1975 Film Comment devoted to Animation — When Greg Ford\/Richard Thompson asked Chuck Jones if Warners used a multiplane camera for some of their landscape shots (visible in some shorts), Jones answered absolutely not, but that an effect of depth was achieved by a technician (forgot his name) who knew how to choreograph layered backgrounds to achieve a multiplane effect. Does anyone have any info on this? It seems multiplane when you view the shorts, but I would think the calculations (or smooth ones at least) are almost impossible (but then I think calculated pans and zooms are impossible). ========================== animation\/main #849, from hmccracken, 156 chars, Thu Aug 2 00:08:36 1990 This is a comment to message 848. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 848. ————————– Check out the opening of Clampett’s _Wabbit Twouble_ for a panoramic canyon scene that looks very much like it was done with a multiplane camera. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #850, from jshook, 2432 chars, Thu Aug 2 00:26:42 1990 This is a comment to message 848. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 848. ————————– Accelerations and decelerations are\/were indeed calculated. (By the way, these are more commonly referred to as “ease in” and “ease out” and, in Britain, “fairings”). I used to do it in manner that cannot be even charitably referred to as calculation: I used to divide the total distance by number of frames to get the distance I needed to travel for each frame (by “distance” I mean the difference between the beginning and ending numbers on the dials connected to the cranks that move the compound or camera). If I needed to move, say, 7 units per frame, I would say this was a peak speed of 10 per frame (and 10 is a much easier number to deal with than 7). Then I would fiddle with the beginning and end of the move to end up travelling the right distance. This is no fun. You may have to figure a move on three or even more axes over hundreds of frames. Once I was groaning about this to a friend of mine who is good at math, and he thought for a few seconds and wrote out a formula that I used from then on to get it perfect the first time. With computer-controlled cameras you don’t have to do anything except tell it where you want to start and end and how many frames to use for the eases. The simplest controllers have one built-in contour; more expensive ones allow you to select from several or even specify a custom contour. The hardest move I ever had to do was to try to get the effect of a continuous zoom from a cell to strands of DNA. To do this in one move I would have had to make artwork about the size of a football field in order to keep the relative scale correct. So insetead I made a series of drawings. I zoomed in on the first one, then, just at the bottom of the zoom, did an in-camera dissolve out. Then I took the camera all the way to the top again and dissolved in on the next artwork which was visually registered to the first. And so on. I think I had about ten drawings. The hard part was figuring the numbers, since as I got closer to the artwork, the on-screen effect is that the camera is speeding up. So I had to try to figure out how much to decelerate to maintain the effect of a constant velocity. I utterly lack the mathematical skills needed to perfom such a calculation. I ended up shooting lots of test of HiCon film (which you can easily develop yourself in any reasonably dark room). I never did get it exactly right, but after a while it was close enough. , ========================== animation\/main #851, from switch, 409 chars, Thu Aug 2 00:27:50 1990 This is a comment to message 848. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 848. ————————– I don’t know how Real Animators (is there such a thing? \ud83d\ude09 do it, but at Concordia we either have perfectionist ex-physics students like Greg, Ted and myself who work it out on paper, or really good blind-guessers like Alison who just sort of do it. (This is referring to calculated acceleration.) Re calculating multiplane effects: no idea why not. It’d be hell, but it should be able to be done… Emru ========================== animation\/main #852, from jshook, 1161 chars, Thu Aug 2 00:36:04 1990 This is a comment to message 848. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 848. ————————– Fake multi-plane shots are fairly easy to do. You just create a forground element (like a tree or lampost or whatever would be closer to the viewer in the scene) and whenever you move the background, you move the foreground element a little faster. The relative motion is what makes it seem closer. This can be very effective when you begin a zoom–pan the forground element away from the center of the frame as you zoom. This can look a lot like you are actually moving into the scene as the fg element slides past you at a faster rate than the bg. It’s a fake, of course, because the fg would grow larger at a faster rate than the bg, and, being flat artwork, it won’t. But you can see this used in lots of cartoons, usually in a shot that establishes a scene. I once did this for a sequence where I was zooming into a kitchen table. I made a wall section with a clock on it and as I did the zoom, I slid the wall out of the frame. However, I hadn’t realised that by moving the wall section I would be uncovering hither-to-unseen parts of my background, which had no artwork on it! So every few frames I had to stop and draw in some more stuff…. ========================== animation\/main #853, from grekel, 276 chars, Thu Aug 2 01:05:46 1990 This is a comment to message 810. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– okay… is the “spire” in question in the wide establishing shot of the underwater castle, just past the main title, on screen for maybe 4 seconds? Lower right third of the screen? If so, I -think- I found it, but VHS is such a crud-o format, it’s har\/ er, difficult to tell. ========================== animation\/main #854, from grekel, 522 chars, Thu Aug 2 01:14:15 1990 This is a comment to message 841. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 841. ————————– > cel animation… will always be visually flatter…<\/p>\n

exactly! If this were not the case, we would have trouble distinguishing
\nbetween the real folks and the toons in “Roger Rabbit”. Your brain
\njust -knows- that cartoons can’t be real, so it doesn’t send the “aw,
\ncome on” message. Now try to fool me with Harryhausen or Go-Motion, and the
\nwarnings trigger, but things are getting very sophisticated.
\nI’ll be at SIGGRAPH next week, and I bet I see a lot of computer-generated
\nimagery that doesn’t look “wrong.” \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

greg<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #855, from ewhac, 96 chars, Thu Aug 2 02:59:53 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 853.
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\nI think you misunderstood (or I didn’t express it right). It’s
\non the box cover.<\/p>\n

Schwab<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #856, from davemackey, 682 chars, Thu Aug 2 03:34:50 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 845.
\n————————–
\nRod Scribner was not the credited animator on “A Wild Hare” — Virgil Ross
\nwas. But good eye on some of the other stuff you mentioned in this message.
\nAs you may know, Beck and Friedwald traded off writing about certain
\ndecades. As it happens, there was quite a bit more to say about the cartoons
\nof the 1950s than any other era — it was sort of a crossroads period for
\nthe studio, with the staff continually flexing its creative muscles in
\nan era when there was increased competition thanks to the flowering of UPA.
\nAny discussion on Warner Bros. cartoons of the 60’s centers on how horrible
\nthey are compared to that which went before.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #857, from davemackey, 673 chars, Thu Aug 2 03:39:59 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 848.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTo my knowledge, Warner’s never owned an authentic multiplane unit, but
\nthe background artists could create multi-dimensional scenes by putting
\nthe different levels of depth on long cels. When photographed, the cels
\nmoved relative to their position in the shot: anything in the foreground
\nmoved very rapidly, and the background itself remained almost static as the
\ncamera panned.
\nThe beauty of multiplane, as used by classic Disney shorts such as
\n“The Old Mill,” is the ability to be able to zoom into these different
\ndepths of field and have more actual camera movement than what the
\ntightly-budgeted Warner’s crew could simulate.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #858, from morganfox, 307 chars, Thu Aug 2 06:44:13 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 825.
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\nI read a couple of articles in the Boston Globe. Some kids being rescued, that
\nsorta thing. And I seem to recall part of one of those or a separate one
\nconnecting it to the popularity of the movie.
\nOne would hope kids would know better…but it seems as in all things there
\nare a few out there who don’t.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #859, from tshim, 76 chars, Thu Aug 2 09:51:20 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 747.
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\nHallelujah! When’s the Stalling album coming out! I’m buying five copies!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #860, from tshim, 307 chars, Thu Aug 2 09:55:26 1990
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\nTITLE: Gerald and Danny Peary
\nDoes anyone know where I can get a copy (and I literally mean a copy — I’d
\nsettle for xerox’s of the articles) of the Pearys’ _The American Animated
\nCartoon_?<\/p>\n

For that matter, does anyone own an original (I have xeroxes) copy of the
\n1975 _Film Comment_ devoted to animation?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #861, from tshim, 215 chars, Thu Aug 2 19:33:28 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 858.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nI didn’t realize you meant TNMT and not TNT — what movie are you referring
\nto.<\/p>\n

Oh, someone next to me tells me that you’re talking about the Turtle
\n\u0012movie. Your TNMT messed me up (it’s TMNT, but who cares …).<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #862, from tshim, 131 chars, Thu Aug 2 19:38:40 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 843.
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\nIf the strobing is due to rock-solid images, then why isn’t there
\nlikewise strobing in cel animation, also with rock-solid images?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #863, from tshim, 200 chars, Thu Aug 2 19:41:12 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 849.
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\nLike I said, Jones contends that no such things was available from
\ntight-fisted Leon, and that a guy over there at the Terrace knew
\nhow to align the backgrounds to simulate depth.<\/p>\n

But who knows …?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #864, from morganfox, 75 chars, Thu Aug 2 20:03:19 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 861.
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\nYeah, TMNT, yeah, that’s the ticket! Guess ya can tell I’m a big fan…;)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #865, from grekel, 299 chars, Thu Aug 2 20:52:28 1990
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\nThere IS strobing in cel animation. But EVERYTHING strobes at
\nthe same rate. In Harryhausen-type animation, the backgrounds
\nrun with normal blurring action, and the strobing you see is the
\nbeating of the solid animation against either the blurry
\nbackgrounds or against other “real” objects.<\/p>\n

maybe?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #866, from bsoron, 281 chars, Thu Aug 2 21:20:02 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 841.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

I noticed strobing all through Watership Down — and commented
\non it when I wrote a review for a zine back then, since I’d never
\nseen it so bad before. Especially visible in landscapes, I remember,
\nthough it’s been way too long since I’ve seen the movie to remember
\nmuch more.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #867, from davemackey, 212 chars, Fri Aug 3 07:45:33 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 859.
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\nIt should have been out by now. I’ve been scouting record stores for it
\nbut I’m wondering where most stores are going to put it. Classical?
\nInstrumental? Soundtracks? Kiddie?
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #868, from tshim, 347 chars, Fri Aug 3 21:23:25 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 865.
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\nThis is an interesting theory, and old b&w animation shot at 16 frames\/sec
\nseem to hold this one up. Again, who knows — my original wonderment
\nsprang from hearing that stop-motion strobing was due to rock-solid images,
\nand wondering aloud why cel animation, with rock-solid images, didn’t strobe
\n(visibly at least) at all.<\/p>\n

Thanks for the stab!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #869, from tshim, 368 chars, Fri Aug 3 22:57:33 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 867.
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\nI would think Soundtracks would be the category that would come most
\nimmediately to mind.<\/p>\n

I called about ten stores, from massmarket outlets to specialty dives. Tower
\nRecords’ buyer had no clue, and the Footlight Records, where I found an old
\nWatership Down soundtrack just five years ago, claims ignorance.<\/p>\n

Where’s Warner Records’ PR? On vacation in the Bahamas?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #870, from bsoron, 282 chars, Fri Aug 3 23:05:44 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 869.
\nThere are additional comments to message 869.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

Incidentally, while I was in Austin last week, I picked up a CD called
\n“Like a Version” by the band Two Nice Girls — I mention it here because
\nit has a cover of the theme to Speed Racer. I haven’t listened to it yet
\n(don’t have a CD player) but others may want to look for it.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #871, from tshim, 561 chars, Fri Aug 3 23:12:57 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 866.
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\nSpeaking of Watership Down, I know the Hubley stuff (really UPA jazz, graphics
\nmusic, art, everything) was excellent, and even the Rosen-supervised
\ndrawings were exceptional for half the movie, and then the animation
\nfell bottom-out. Especially with the wide-angle dog attack — it made
\nthe Crusader Rabbit look downright lavish.<\/p>\n

But! I didn’t notice much strobing. Or maybe I’m looking for the wrong thing.
\nAnyway, does anyone know the specifics of why Hubley up and quit? Maltin,
\nSolomon, no one seems to mention anything other than creative differences.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #872, from tshim, 344 chars, Fri Aug 3 23:16:45 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 857.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nAs I’m talking to hands-on animators (a dream I can only hope to achieve),
\nlet me ask y’all something: Seeing multiplane scenes (and simulations there-
\nof), I kind of make them akin to ye ole 3-D processes. The effect is nice
\nand all that, but instead of reality, things turn out looking like
\nViewMaster ripoffs.<\/p>\n

Comments? Cheers or flames?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #873, from tshim, 317 chars, Fri Aug 3 23:21:04 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 854.
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\nHas anyone seen the computer animation for Tropicana Orange Juice?<\/p>\n

Grekel, this might be something you inadvertantly meant in your previous msg.
\nFor a while, I thought, “Hey, how’d they get a straw to bounce that freely
\nin slow-motion.” Once I saw the eyes, the computerization was given away.
\nBut it impressed me.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #874, from tshim, 1411 chars, Fri Aug 3 23:37:47 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 847.
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\nI know he was with Virgil Ross and Richard Beckinbach (?), plus others,
\nin Clampett’s later stuff. When McKimson took over the reins, and full
\ncredits began to be shown, Scribner was notable in his absence. McK
\nbasically started with Gould, Carey, DeLara, and C.McK., with variations
\nbrought around by Art Davis’ unit folding (which, of course, took over when
\nhis boss, Tashlin, left again, this time for good). It’s been mentioned
\nthat Davis\/Tashlin stuff is awfully Columbian-in-style (the studio, not the
\nnation, and pre-UPA to boot), and not surprising considering both came back
\nto Warners after their brief sojourn with the Fox and the Crow.<\/p>\n

Anyway, the point of all this is that the melding of Clampett and
\nDavis\/Tashlin’s units produced the really great McK stuff in the pre-50s.
\nIt is only after McK went into his rather stuffy style later on that Scribner
\nand Herman Cohen (who also worked with Clampett) were listed in the credits.
\nGould and Carey left, while DeLara and Charles McK stayed.<\/p>\n

That seems to say that Gould and Carey did those grand posturings seen by
\nthe earlier (lower-pitched by Blanc) Foghorn Leghorn, the Genie from A-Lad-In
\nHis Lamp, and that great Senate scene from Rebel Rabbit (“That hare must die!”
\nBB: “Hare! Die! Hair dye! That’s a joke son, you missed it! Admit it son,
\nI’m too fast for you!” <slap, slap, slap, slap, big mooch on the lips>).
\nBut I don’t know. …<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #875, from switch, 540 chars, Fri Aug 3 23:47:28 1990
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\nIn my opinion, multiplane effects shouldn’t be used with certain
\ncamera movements, depending on how it’s done. I really don’t like
\nmost of the shots where we advance between two trees, which seem to
\njust walk off sideways. In fact, the two areas where I _do_ like
\nthem are when there is no camera movement and one object is in
\nfocus while another is blurred, or when something is moving *very*
\nfast, and the different foreground and background objects are
\nzooming by at different rates.<\/p>\n

But that’s this bizarre person’s opinion…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #876, from tshim, 710 chars, Fri Aug 3 23:50:28 1990
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\nThis is absolutely amazing stuff, James. Thanks for taking the time
\nto lay it out in layperson’s terms.<\/p>\n

This really gives me some respect for the tranverse and diagonal pans
\nI’ve seen used, especially when it involves animation going on in those
\nmovements. Today, as you say, computers can be used, but back in the 40’s
\nand 50’s, it must have been pure instinct.<\/p>\n

(The person that comes to mind is Tashlin. Although his later stuff really
\nstressed sight gags based on nearly stock-still figures (almost limited
\nanimation in a way), his verves and caroms throughout his career really
\nshow the guy did things the hard way. Then again, maybe it was his animators
\nwere the ones who had to worry about this!)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #877, from tshim, 255 chars, Fri Aug 3 23:52:38 1990
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\nI can imagine how people can have “a feel” for it. That’s amazing in and of
\nitself, but to think that some of you “less gifted” (“cursed?”) actually
\ngo out to work it manually is mind-boggling.<\/p>\n

P.S. I’m a bit out of the inner circle, Emru. Greg? Ted?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #878, from tshim, 560 chars, Fri Aug 3 23:57:22 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 852.
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\nI had no ideer that such things could be rendered expertly enough w\/o
\nreal multi-plane. It’s quite an eye-opener.<\/p>\n

With WB stuff, it seemed to be used at least one in every (as you say)
\nestablishing shot, but past 1946 or thereabout, it wasn’t used except
\nsome notable times when McK used in as far into the late 50s. Of course,
\nDisney just had the multiplane to go to anytime.<\/p>\n

I know “Daffy Doodles” has a chase scene with a moving background (Porky
\nand Daffs on a building ledge, rounding corners and such).
\nWas that an animated background like Gertie’s?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #879, from switch, 385 chars, Sat Aug 4 00:00:52 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 877.
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\nWorking out acceleration and deceleration isn’t too difficult, really.
\nThere’s the mathematical way (Physics 101), and there’s the graphic
\nway (with an arc and a ruler). It really depends on what I’m doing.<\/p>\n

Greg and Ted are the only other two people in last year’s class who
\nhad some kind of a science background. We’re also the three who tend
\nto get it right the first time.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #880, from tshim, 278 chars, Sat Aug 4 00:04:40 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 875.
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\nAgreed: such shots like the first Road Runner, where the Coyote paces
\nback and forth against two differently scanning backgrounds, and such extreme
\nshots as the moon or sun standing still as the background goes past the
\ncharacters, are the best ones to make use of multiplane.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #881, from ewhac, 95 chars, Sat Aug 4 06:25:42 1990
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\nTITLE: I Give Up<\/p>\n

I should know this, but I don’t:<\/p>\n

What’s a multiplane camera?<\/p>\n

Schwab<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #882, from davemackey, 242 chars, Sat Aug 4 07:14:45 1990
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\nAs I said, it should have shipped by now. I have a couple of pieces of
\nWarner Bros. Records (WEA) publicity (my brother is a record store manager)
\nthat said the album was definitely coming out in July.
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #883, from davemackey, 771 chars, Sat Aug 4 07:22:02 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 881.
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\nGood question. The multiplane camera was developed by Disney in the mid-30’s
\nthough evidence suggests that his ex-compadre Ub Iwerks was working on
\na primitive version of same in the early 30’s. Where a regular animation
\ncamera has just one plane for photographing cels and backgrounds, the
\nmultiplane has a number of different levels on which larger cels can be
\nstaged. Each plane can move independently of the others and the camera can
\ntruck in and out of these different levels of depth. “The Old Mill,” Disney’s
\nOscar winner from ’37, was the first cartoon using multiplane footage.
\nIt took at least two or three men to operate and several mathematicians on
\nhand to calculate the precise adjustments this camera was capable of.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #884, from switch, 346 chars, Sat Aug 4 07:34:19 1990
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\nDisney didn’t actually develop the multiplane — someone else had
\ncreated and used a multiplane beforehand, but Disney refined it.
\nI really should know the name of the person who first created
\nthe multiplane — I aced that question all through History of
\nAnimated Film. Oh, well. I’ll have to look it up once I get to
\nmy reference books.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #885, from tshim, 130 chars, Sat Aug 4 22:03:48 1990
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\nAs a tangent to this, Emru, what colleges have the best animation courses
\nfor serious and not-so-serious animators, respectively.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #886, from tshim, 71 chars, Sat Aug 4 22:05:04 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 882.
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\nWell, then I guess the real answer is, is anyone >buying< this record? ========================== animation\/main #887, from tshim, 948 chars, Sat Aug 4 22:14:05 1990 This is a comment to message 230. ————————– The 50th Anniversary Bugs Bunny Magazine lists Carl Stalling as dying around 1972 [(1888-1972)]. That would put him about 40 when he joined Disney, 50 when he joined Warner Bros., and 70 when he composed his final score! I’m not surprised The New York Times didn’t run an obit on him. As late as 1980, even after the publication of “Of Mice and Magic,” the following was written of Tex Avery: “Fred (Tex) Avery, maker of cartoons starring Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, and Porky Pig, died yesterday. He is survived …” I’m not even sure if they mentioned cancer, and the blurb was from UPI. Even more recently, when Mel Blanc died, the Times seemed to take everything from his autobio, saying he dubbed Bugs’s name and other inaccuracies, and many other factual errors. Read your local library’s microfilm to see the travesty. Luckily, Glenn Collins, cultural affairs reporter, is learning fast. Hope- fully he’ll not repeat mistakes like this. ========================== animation\/main #890, from tshim, 513 chars, Sat Aug 4 22:31:20 1990 This is a comment to message 749. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– I have the deepest respect for Bradley’s longevity, but remember, MGM came out with a maximum of 12-16 shorts a year. Warner Bros. once topped forty (count ’em: forty) shorts in 1946 (or around then), and averaged at least 20-30 shorts every year. That’s around 400 shorts between 1936 and 1954, when Milt Franklyn eased in. Bradley didn’t do more than 300, if that many. It also follows that although Bradley had to churn out maybe a score per month (still amazing), Stalling had to do the same each >week<. ========================== animation\/main #891, from tshim, 140 chars, Sat Aug 4 22:38:32 1990 This is a comment to message 764. ————————– The fact they are using a 26-piece >orchestra< for the soundtrack bodes well. The fact that the director is from hanna-barbarian does not. ========================== animation\/main #892, from tshim, 216 chars, Sat Aug 4 23:57:23 1990 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: Policy Change? This is a nitpick, but is it possible to arrange the read order of the topics so that, say, memos come first, then bulletin.old, then main, etc.? The current read order is a little non-ordered. ========================== animation\/main #893, from tshim, 173 chars, Sun Aug 5 18:14:41 1990 This is a comment to message 473. There are additional comments to message 473. ————————– You have to be kidding. I got this tape, and although I’ll admit the price is right, the quality of the shorts, all in all, is poor to fair, and far from “very very good.” ========================== animation\/main #894, from tshim, 284 chars, Sun Aug 5 18:21:14 1990 This is a comment to message 309. ————————– It seems the General Mills people are doing good things for animated ads. All their cereals have old-style animation full of secondary movements. You mention the Trix rabbit, but the CoCo Puffs bird, Lucky Charms elf, and even the Honey Nut Bee all seem to have been done with class. ========================== animation\/main #895, from tshim, 52 chars, Sun Aug 5 18:23:03 1990 This is a comment to message 310. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Where is this Richard Williams demo tape available? ========================== animation\/main #896, from tshim, 198 chars, Sun Aug 5 18:24:08 1990 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: Hook cartoons The latest fad seems to be getting the entire Snafu series from WB, but why is it that Hook’s seem to be neglected. They’re not even mentioned in MM and LT’s (Beck\/Friedwald). ========================== animation\/main #897, from tshim, 204 chars, Sun Aug 5 18:38:02 1990 This is a comment to message 415. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Is Friz Freleng’s health a current concern? I remember him in the early 80s being rather heavy-set, but now I saw recently and he seems to have lost about 50 lbs. Does anyone know if the ol’ guy is ok? ========================== animation\/main #898, from switch, 1050 chars, Sun Aug 5 18:38:21 1990 This is a comment to message 885. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Is there such a thing as a serious animator? \ud83d\ude09 To tell the truth, I can only really go by what I’ve heard from attendees (whose testimony is usually heavily biased) and hearsay (which is never really that accurate). Concordia is very good at allowing the students to do what they want. Most of the teachers encourage experimentation of any kind, and occasionally we have “animation blitzes” where we get to go wild and do whatever we want, with free 16mm film stock. Sheridan art college in Toronto has produced some very interesting animators\/animations, but hearsay says that they force you into a house style. This is corroborated by my cousin who is in fine arts there — she came and visited Concordia and was very surprised at the freedom we had in what we did. Universite de Montreal is supposed to have a program, but I know nothing about it, if it exists… CalArts has an amazing rep but considering the supposed flow of students from there to Disney, I begin to wonder if it also suffers from conforming to house style… Emru ========================== animation\/main #899, from tshim, 707 chars, Sun Aug 5 18:42:14 1990 This is a comment to message 449. ————————– Clampett, as most people will attest, was insufferably egotistical. It doesn’t surprise me that he would dye his hair an embarrassingly jet black color, just like it didn’t surprise me when I saw him taking over “Bugs Bunny Superstar” and almost stealing credit for his creation. The fact that Blanc and him didn’t get along is also not earth-shattering. And of course, despite Chuck Jones’ reticence, I think most people know a >little< about Clampett’s malabuse of his most famous animator in the early
\ndays. (I for one have the thinnest of clues.)<\/p>\n

His cartoon are the best, but his personality may have left a lot to be
\ndesired.<\/p>\n

(And one wonders why he ever so quietly hoarded so many collectibles.)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #900, from tshim, 389 chars, Sun Aug 5 18:47:18 1990
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\nSpeaking of the Bugs Bunny Looney Tunes 50th Anniversary Special: Does anyone
\nhave a tape of this? I would be interested in borrowing it, please send me
\nmail if anyone does. (This’s the one from 1986, not Bugs’s B’day (1990).)<\/p>\n

P.S. I’m still looking for any semblance of _The American Animated Cartoon_
\nby Gerald and Danny Peary. Xeroxes would suffice — you will be handsomely
\npaid!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #901, from switch, 290 chars, Sun Aug 5 18:49:03 1990
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\nI’m afraid not, Thomas. I’d prefer for ‘memos’ to come first as well,
\nbut there’s no such moderator function.<\/p>\n

You _might_ be able to rearrange the order yourself by resigning
\na topic (say, ‘memos’) and rejoining it. I’ve never tried it,
\nthough, so I’m not sure if that would work.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #902, from tshim, 256 chars, Sun Aug 5 18:50:03 1990
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\nBugs Bunny certainly did give the award for best animated short.<\/p>\n

It was a preview of what Darrell Van Citters’ “Box Office Bunny
\nwill look like, and it looked spectacular. Bugs hasn’t looked this
\ngood since the late 50’s.<\/p>\n

I’m surprised no one saw this!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #903, from switch, 91 chars, Sun Aug 5 18:51:22 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 902.
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\nSigh. One of those things. I was in a Film Aesthetics class, and
\ncouldn’t tape it.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #904, from tshim, 329 chars, Sun Aug 5 18:52:53 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 430.
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\nHmmm, difference of opinion here, but I thought this year’s Bunny was
\nbetter than the 1986 Oscar bunny, although the personality may have been
\nbetter.<\/p>\n

I think the voice was Jeff Bergman’s. Speaking of which, why is Noel Blanc
\nall over the press and media hocking himself as Mel’s successor? Is there
\na war of the voices here?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #905, from tshim, 930 chars, Sun Aug 5 19:08:11 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 492.
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\nAdamson’s version maintains that although both projects were independent
\nin their creation (both “Rhapsody Rabbit” and “Concerto Cat” were probably
\nweaned in part from both Disney’s “The Band Leader” (?) and Freleng’s
\n“Rhapsody in Rivets”), Freleng’s Bugs version was slated to premiere almost
\na year earlier. Technicolor, which during the war had an awful time getting
\nprints done on time, sent a copy of Freleng’s work to MGM accidentally.
\nAvery backs up the story that when Hanna-Barbera saw the short, they
\nstepped up work for “Concerto.” When the lots were drawn for Oscar showing,
\nConcerto came out before Rhapsody, and people thought Freleng copied from
\nMGM. Freleng has maintained that H&B played unfair, and H&B claim that
\nFreleng stole their idea (although “Rhapsody in Rivets” outdates both
\nby a good three years).<\/p>\n

Anyway, Concerto won the Oscar, maybe deservedly so, but I think 1946 should
\nhave gone to Rhapsody.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #906, from tshim, 114 chars, Sun Aug 5 19:18:54 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 901.
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\nNice try, Emru, but you can’t resign from topics, only from conferences.<\/p>\n

(So when’s the next CBix? <hint, hint>)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #907, from switch, 154 chars, Sun Aug 5 19:25:05 1990
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\nYes, you can resign from topics. Try, for instance, ‘resign animation memos’.<\/p>\n

Definitely keeps me from going completely insane over in tojerry…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #908, from tshim, 265 chars, Sun Aug 5 19:53:00 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 907.
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\nHoly moly, you’re right. Sorry for doubting you.<\/p>\n

I thus ask you this question: Considering that resigning from a topic
\nrenders that topic invisible, are there other topics I might be missing?
\nIn other words, how many topics are there in animation (I see 13 now).<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #909, from tshim, 179 chars, Sun Aug 5 20:30:28 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 901.
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\nFor those waiting for the news: Yes, Emru is correct (once again) …
\nTopics can be rearranged by resigning and joining them. Last ones joined
\nget added to the end of the queue.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #910, from switch, 208 chars, Sun Aug 5 20:44:56 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 908.
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\nBest way to check all the topics in any conference is to enter
\n“show “. Yes, there are 13 topics (not counting listings and
\ncbix) here.<\/p>\n

Don’t worry about doubting me. I do it all the time.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #911, from morganfox, 64 chars, Sun Aug 5 21:58:11 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 906.
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\nOne can resign from topic within a conference…I have done it.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #912, from jshook, 532 chars, Sun Aug 5 23:52:42 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 898.
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\nLast time I heard, CalARrts had two separate animations programs.
\nProgram A (my terminology) is oriented towards character animations,
\nand is presumably the sourcefrom which the Disney studios get their
\nnew talent. Program B is directed by Jules Engel, and is oriented
\nmore towards animation as a fine art and means of personal expression.
\nMost of the CalArts grads that I know come from Program B.
\nHowever, the school is extremely flexible about students setting theirt
\nown programs, so I would guess you could mix ‘n match….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #913, from switch, 172 chars, Mon Aug 6 00:15:58 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 912.
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\nSee what I said about hearsay?<\/p>\n

I’ll have to keep that in mind, although right now I don’t see myself
\nheading down to CA… the Montreal women keep me busy enough \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #914, from tshim, 1269 chars, Mon Aug 6 21:07:05 1990
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\nTITLE: The Cutting of WB shorts
\nThere seems to be a lot of cutting, and I don’t mean only on television.
\nFor example, has anyone >really< seen a print of “The Big Snooze” that contains the scene with Bugs Bunny actually >taking< the sleeping pills
\njust before he gets into Elmer’s dream?<\/p>\n

Also, in Frank Tashlin’s “Hare Remover,” there is another abrupt cut where
\nafter Elmer captures Bugs and starts whooping it up about catching him, the
\nscene suddenly skips to a rather ornery-faced Elmer carrying off a laughing
\nBugs. What happened?<\/p>\n

Thirdly, there is a cut in Clampett’s “Baby Bottleneck.” It occurs during
\nthe newspaper headlines shown with illustrating skits of babies getting
\ntheir wrong parents, specifically the one where the baby alligator gets
\nsent to Mrs. Pig. Just as the babigator is about to snap (and I mean snap!)
\nup a teat, there’s an abrupt cut to Mrs. Pig scolding the reptile for a
\nsplit second before the next skit just as suddenly invades, in turn.<\/p>\n

Now we all know about the scene cut from Avery’s “The Heckling Hare,” and
\nmost of us know about the replacement of Yosemite Sam’s claim, “And I ain’t
\nMahatma Gandhi” to “And I ain’t no mamby-pamby,” in “Bugs Bunny Rides
\nAgain.” But what the heck used to be in the cuts in the above shorts??<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #915, from tshim, 474 chars, Mon Aug 6 21:12:04 1990
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\nTITLE: Typo in Animato
\nThere is no storyman credited with “The Old Grey Hare” and “The Big Snooze”
\nin the recent (#20) issue of Animato! magazine. While this is so in
\n“The Big Snooze,” Michael Sasanoff does get screen dues for “The Old Grey
\nHare.” Thought you might like to know, Harry.<\/p>\n

In all other respects, a fine, fine issue, featuring some of the regulars
\nright here on BIX\/animation. Bravo.<\/p>\n

One thing tho: Who the heck is Thelma Crumb???
\nIs it Harry McC in drag?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #916, from davemackey, 228 chars, Mon Aug 6 22:07:07 1990
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\nIt says in the latest Animato! that Warner’s put out forty shorts in
\n1940, and that was the record setting year.
\nI think the M-G-M cartoons of Bradley required more individual
\nvirtuosity from the musicians in the orchestra.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #917, from davemackey, 383 chars, Mon Aug 6 22:09:25 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 473.
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\nWell, you get what you pay for, and it beats hunting down pristine 16mm
\nprints at multiples of the price.
\nI was told recently that the company had gone under, but they’re
\nback — they’re currently pushing that awful-looking Cat and Mouse watch.
\n(Which would be nice if it were Tom and Jerry — but it’s just a generic
\nreal-type cat and mouse.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #918, from davemackey, 150 chars, Mon Aug 6 22:10:39 1990
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\nThey do seem to be glossed over in every written history of Warner’s that
\nI’ve ever read, and my curiosity is similarly piqued. Are these lost
\nfilms?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #919, from davemackey, 354 chars, Mon Aug 6 22:13:12 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 897.
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\nI saw Friz a couple of weeks ago at a Circle Galleries appearance (at the
\nSeaport), and he appears to be OK, but please remember the man is going to
\nturn 84 this month. I think we should be extremely fortunate that the man
\nis still with us and able to bask in the adulation we’ve recently lavished
\non his creations.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #920, from davemackey, 233 chars, Mon Aug 6 22:16:18 1990
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\nYes, I do — please E-mail me your address and we can work out dub
\narrangements. Incidentally, Warner’s has just released the Bugs 50th
\nspecial “Happy Birthday Bugs: 50 Looney Years” on videotape.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #921, from davemackey, 122 chars, Mon Aug 6 22:17:55 1990
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\nThe other day, TNT showed “Rhapsody Rabbit,” immediately followed by
\n“Rhapsody In Rivets.” What you’d call a theme set…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #922, from davemackey, 253 chars, Mon Aug 6 22:21:53 1990
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\nI give thanks for the plaudits and add a bit of a mea culpa of my own:
\nthe correct MPPDA certificate for “Tortoise Beats Hare” is 6620. (Whoops)
\nI don’t know who Thelma Scumm is, probably just a vain ol’ bird.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #923, from switch, 248 chars, Mon Aug 6 23:33:17 1990
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\nYou’re referring to the Private SNAFU films? Those were done
\nexclusively for soldiers overseas during WW II, and were only
\nrecently (relatively speaking) released to the public. Even so,
\nthey’re hard to get to. I’ve only seen two to date.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #924, from davemackey, 273 chars, Wed Aug 8 09:57:31 1990
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\nEmru, we’re trying to track down a similar second series of cartoons
\nwhich was called “Hook” produced for the U.S. Navy. There are plenty of
\ncartoons of Snafu’s on homevideo; check out the Whole Toon Catalogue.
\nBut I’ve never heard of a Hook cartoon being released on vid.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #925, from davemackey, 187 chars, Wed Aug 8 09:59:22 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 755.
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\nMy source in the record retail racket, known only as Deep Bob, tells me that
\n“The Carl Stalling Project” has been delayed but should be in stores soon.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #926, from switch, 66 chars, Wed Aug 8 13:55:41 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 924.
\nThere are additional comments to message 924.
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\nHmn, yeah, Whole Toon. I never did receive my catalogue…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #927, from tshim, 1069 chars, Wed Aug 8 22:20:46 1990
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\nTITLE: Many Questions, mainly to Harry
\nConcerning ANIMATO! #20:<\/p>\n

1) The Contents Page lists under Short Subjects a teaser for a review of
\n“Roger Rabbit’s latest …” which I presumed was a critique of “Tummy
\nTrouble” or at least “Roller Coaster Rabbit.” Nothing doing. Are there
\n(or will there be) reviews on these shorts?<\/p>\n

2) What happened to the Staten Island comics that used to be listed as a
\ndistributor? A New Jersey store has quietly taken its place.<\/p>\n

3) Whatever happened to Toons on Tape? Did Matthew Hasson finally burn out?<\/p>\n

4) I really love your new typography and layout — little did I realize how
\nmuch of a difference those little open and closing quotes make. But one
\nreally nitty pick: Don’t keep two spaces between sentences, make it one
\nspace. Two spaces only work with computer displays and typewriters.<\/p>\n

5) What’s the origin of the title: Mail from some Flounder?<\/p>\n

6) How scientific is the ANIMATO! Toon Poll? In other words, do you
\ncheck for repeat entries or do you throw the whole batch into the
\ncomputer?<\/p>\n

Thanks for any answers!!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #928, from tshim, 162 chars, Wed Aug 8 22:25:15 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 922.
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\nWelp, someone has to write up those witticisms … cheers to whomever
\nyou are. And if you need your anonymity to keep your bite, welp, no
\ncomplaining here then.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #929, from tshim, 460 chars, Wed Aug 8 22:29:06 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 916.
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\nI agree — Bradley put his people through hell, but what results!<\/p>\n

Speaking of cartoon composers, one of the qualms I have against Milt Franklyn
\nis that he seems to hate anything brassy. Whereas Stalling loved to interject
\nsome harsh trumpets into most anything, Franklyn seemed to stay with strings,
\nalmost maddeningly so.<\/p>\n

Then again, for some odd reason, the mixing dept. at WB seemed to play the
\nmusic at such low levels, this seems to be a moot protest.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #930, from tshim, 505 chars, Wed Aug 8 22:33:53 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 917.
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\nThis is true, and I’m glad that some Fleischer Popeye’s are thrown in.<\/p>\n

(By the way, Dave, as an aside, your msg somehow got tagged as a comment to
\nyour original #473 … I guess you “comm”‘d right after viewing an “orig” from
\nmy msg (#893), which you were really replying to.<\/p>\n

To remedy this, I usually go back to the newer msg after doing any “orig”‘s to
\nrefresh my (failing) memory. That way the comm’s come out right. But I’m
\nreally nitpicking — just a hint! <Okay, okay, I’ll shut up already.>)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #931, from tshim, 278 chars, Wed Aug 8 22:36:42 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 918.
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\nThe least “MM and LT” could have done was mention them in the intro to
\n“That’s Not All Folks!” section, wherein the Snafu’s are meticulously
\nsynopsed. ENCHANTED DRAWINGS is the only source that mentions them,
\nand only in passing (but it shows a nice lobby card of the series).<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #932, from tshim, 164 chars, Wed Aug 8 22:38:14 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 923.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTo add to Dave’s reply, Bosko Video is coming out with the unedited
\nand “definitive” series of all Snafu’s. Check out the inside cover
\n(front) ad in ANIMATO! #20.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #933, from tshim, 589 chars, Wed Aug 8 22:42:15 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 919.
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\nReally?! How do you find out about these appearances in the tri-state area,
\nDave? I wish I could find out too — I think I’ll give Circle Galleries a
\ncall. (ARGHHH!!!!)<\/p>\n

What usually happens at these appearances, by the way, Dave?<\/p>\n

Speaking of “lucky that [Friz] is still with us and able to bask in [our]
\nadulation”: This is one reason I feel bad for Bob McKimson, dying possibly
\non the brink of all this animation resurgence. Bob Clampett, Tex Avery —
\nMike Maltese, Tedd Pierce. My God, if they had lived longer … or if the
\nrest of humanity weren’t so damned slow on the uptake.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #934, from davemackey, 200 chars, Wed Aug 8 22:43:35 1990
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\n*** Moved from animation\/characters #77 of Mon Aug 6 22:04:41 1990
\nI’d be happy just to see the REAL ending to “the Heckling Hare!” Just
\nonce before I die…
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #935, from tshim, 560 chars, Wed Aug 8 22:43:35 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 934.
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\n*** Moved from animation\/characters #80 of Wed Aug 8 22:03:25 1990
\nRe: The REAL ending to “The Heckling Hare.”<\/p>\n

Does such a copy with the missing footage exist? (I can imagine how it would
\nlook like — BB: “Fooled ya, didn’t we?” DOG: “Yeah …” BB: “C’mon Rover,
\nI’ll buy you a chaser …” DOG: “G-gee, thanks Mr. Rabbit …” [Both fall
\nover second cliff.] BB: “Welp, here we go again …” DOG: “Yeah …”)<\/p>\n

ATTN: Moderators — I believe both #77 and this msg (#80) should be moved to
\nAnimation\/main, with #77 as a comment to #914. Is this possible?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #937, from switch, 150 chars, Wed Aug 8 22:46:44 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 932.
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\nActually, I was thinking hard to get to on film. I haven’t seen any
\nof them on video as yet, so can’t comment on any beyond the two I’ve
\nseen.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #938, from tshim, 694 chars, Wed Aug 8 22:46:56 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 920.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nHi Dave — my address is readily available in my resume, but if we need
\nto send packages through the mail, please use “P.O. Box 1131” (everything
\nstays the same). I’ll Email my phone number to you, just in case.<\/p>\n

Re: “Happy Birthday Bugs” — Is it the same exact thing shown on CBS?
\nI have that on tape, but Larry King recently said that he did a whole
\nskit on why he loves Bugs, but it was cut out. Is the released WB video
\npadded with more stuff?<\/p>\n

P.S. On that call to King, I suggested he call up Leonard Maltin and
\nget guys like Jerry Beck and Greg Ford to do a roundtable on Bugs for
\none of his shows. King is mighty forgetful, so don’t hold your breath,
\nbut it could get interesting.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #939, from tshim, 284 chars, Wed Aug 8 22:49:28 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 921.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTNT shows surprising sensitivity to the shorts they own. I wish
\nWB did the same.<\/p>\n

God, can you imagine if the MGM\/UA and WB could pool their prints together?
\nThey worked in conjunction with the CBS Bugs Special, almost because they
\nhad to, so this is not as impossible as it sounds.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #940, from tshim, 467 chars, Wed Aug 8 22:52:53 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 925.
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\nI called Tower Records (both branches), and both have the same story:
\nWB has pushed back the release date from August 5th to September 8th.
\nThe stuff will possibly be in stores as early as September 5th.<\/p>\n

By the way, “The Carl Stalling Project” is going to get a major publicity
\nboost by Tower, at least. The buyers I spoke to said that requests were
\nphoning in off the hook, and that a major display was being worked on.
\nSo bring your cameras to Tower, if you can!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #941, from switch, 251 chars, Wed Aug 8 23:04:06 1990
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\nTITLE: ‘anirec01.arc’
\nJust uploaded and installed Jim Omura’s update to his previous listing
\nof anime-related CDs. The current listing has topped 400 entries, and
\nhe figures to have over 600 by the time he sends me a disk for another
\nupdate…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #942, from switch, 57 chars, Wed Aug 8 23:17:21 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 941.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nCorrection: the current listing has 373 entries…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #943, from tshim, 166 chars, Thu Aug 9 00:04:38 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 942.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nNot to hedge (and certainly I’ve placed things in main that shouldn’t
\nbe here), but shouldn’t this stuff be in memos? Just a little voice
\nin the wilderness here …<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #944, from switch, 196 chars, Thu Aug 9 00:13:55 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 943.
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\nNot really… ‘memos’ is more or less for far-reaching changes. (Addition of
\ntopics, moderators’ birthdays, restructuring of the conference due to
\nrebirth of Walt, Mel, Osamu, and Jim…)<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #945, from davemackey, 274 chars, Thu Aug 9 22:58:54 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 927.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nI can answer one of Harry’s questions right away for you; the man himself
\ncan handle the rest of them when he returns from vacation.
\n#5: Rocky: “Hey, look! A message in a bottle!”
\nBullwinkle: “Fan mail from some flounder?”
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #946, from davemackey, 181 chars, Thu Aug 9 23:00:11 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 929.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTry the main titles of “Ducking The Devil” (heard under some of the titles
\nof “Daffy Duck’s Quackbusters”) for some untypically brassy Franklyn.
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #947, from davemackey, 172 chars, Thu Aug 9 23:02:08 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 931.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nSchneider mentioned the Hook series by name in his book; Maltin included
\na quote from Jones saying Warner’s also did films for the Navy.
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #948, from davemackey, 743 chars, Thu Aug 9 23:06:40 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 933.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nYou can add Frank Tashlin to that sorry list, too. But I think that Clampett
\nand Maltese, who both left us in the early 80’s, did get a little of it.
\nMcKimson, though, died in the line of fire, as he was still directing cartoons
\non a regular basis for DePatie-Freleng at his death and deserves a little
\ncredit for durability; Freleng directed his last short in 1968, remember.
\nAt the Freleng appearance, which I read about in the Daily News, he
\nsat at a table and made himself available to pose with lucky purchasors of
\nlimited-edition cels. They have had them recently for Chuck Jones and
\nHanna and Barbera in this area. It might be a good idea to get in touch with
\nthe Circle Galleries people.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #949, from davemackey, 337 chars, Thu Aug 9 23:10:34 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 938.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nHaven’t seen the video yet but will definitely check it out for added or
\ndeleted footage when I do. But it is the same special that recently
\naired on CBS.
\nIMHO, and I may be a little biased towards the creator of Saturday
\nNight Live, but I enjoyed the Lorne Michaels special from ’85 a lot more.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #950, from davemackey, 439 chars, Thu Aug 9 23:12:34 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 939.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nI don’t think so, because both Turner (the current owner of the pre-48
\npackage) and WB are both in business for themselves as competitors. But
\nif either bought the other’s library, then they could set themselves
\nup exclusively. Not to speak of the cartoons licensed to ABC and Nick…
\nit could get extremely complicated if one distributor wanted to set himself
\nup as Sole Purveyor of Looney Tunes.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #951, from hmccracken, 131 chars, Fri Aug 10 18:39:47 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 895.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nThe Williams demo tape is not, as far as I know, available for
\npurchase; it was put together to woo prospective clients.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #952, from hmccracken, 323 chars, Fri Aug 10 18:46:49 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 915.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nThanks for the correction…Nope, I’m not Thelma, although on
\noccasion I provide her with information for her column.
\nIf I might ask, where’d you find the issue? I ask because
\nI’m interested in who’s carrying us and the lag between us
\nsending off the copies and them getting into stores. (Or
\ndo you subscribe?)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #953, from hmccracken, 910 chars, Fri Aug 10 18:53:53 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 927.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\n1) Whoops! I was going to review _Roller Coaster Rabbit_, but ran out
\nof space. Guess I forgot to correct the contents page.<\/p>\n

2) Comics Unlimited still offers _Animato_. But since they actually
\nare a branch of Diamond Comics (another distributor) and I was running
\nout of space, I didn’t list them. The fact that we picked up another
\ndistributor in the area is coincidental.<\/p>\n

3) _Toons on Tape_ only appears when Matt feels he has important releases
\nto cover. It’ll be back.<\/p>\n

4) I think I disagree, but I’ll consider the matter.<\/p>\n

5) As someone else may have told you by now, it’s a reference to a
\nBullwinkle bit that doesn’t seem to be shown anymore on the
\nsyndicated episodes.<\/p>\n

6-) Not all that scientific, mainly because the pool of voters is
\nfairly small. (You can help fix this by voting.) The poll is
\ncompiled by Mike Ventrella and I am unsure of the precise methods
\nused in tabulating.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #954, from hmccracken, 648 chars, Fri Aug 10 22:19:20 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 379.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nHa! After stating a few months ago that I would probably buy a Gordo
\noriginal eventually, my plans came wonderfully true at the San Diego
\nConvention, where I bought the 1954 Halloween Sunday page — a
\nbeautiful example — at a very good price after some pretty easy
\nhaggling over the asking price. It was my main purchase of the con,
\nand cost probably four or five times more than I’ve ever paid for
\na piece of comic art before (which doesn’t mean much, since I’ve never
\nbought anything expensive at all). Got quite a nice original drawing
\nfrom _Bambi_ — a small figure of the adult Bambi leaping — for a
\nincredibly low price, too.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #955, from davemackey, 384 chars, Sat Aug 11 22:18:45 1990
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Comics Scene 15
\nAbove now in comics shops. Great cover story on “Tiny Toon Adventures.”
\nThe more I read about this show, the more I’m looking forward to it. Also
\nfor animation fans, a couple of Jetsons-related features, a tribute to the
\nlate George O’Hanlon and a little piece on Hanna-Barbera’s longtime art
\ndirector, Iwao Takamoto.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #956, from davemackey, 184 chars, Sun Aug 12 01:02:50 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 955.
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\nOh, yeah… there’s also an article on “Rollercoaster Rabbit,” the latest —
\nand maybe last — Roger Rabbit short. (Article reveals no sequels are on
\nthe drawing boards at this time.)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #957, from davemackey, 461 chars, Sun Aug 12 01:05:46 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 955.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nNicest surprise when reading the Tiny Toon article: one episode will be
\na sequel to Duck Dodgers with Daffy Duck taking on Plucky Duck (the Tiny
\nToon variation of Daffy who will be voiced by Joe Alaskey) as his eager
\nyoung space cadet. Here’s the important part: Layout and backgrounds
\nwill be by Maurice Noble.
\nIncidentally, one of the show’s directors will be Art Leonardi, who
\nwas a Warner Bros. animator in the 1960s.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #958, from hmccracken, 280 chars, Sun Aug 12 02:12:16 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 955.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nI’m looking forward to the article — I know it will be good
\nsince it’s by my friend Bob Miller, who also writes for
\n_Animato_ and works at the Bluth studios. Incidentally, I
\nsaw a few moments of _Tiny Toon Adventures_ at the San
\nDiego Con and was favorably impressed.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #959, from hmccracken, 194 chars, Sun Aug 12 02:13:21 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 956.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nNot true anymore, from what I hear. Disney and Spielberg have
\nkissed and made up, and at least one more Roger short will be
\ndone, to be released with a Spielberg-Disney feature film.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #960, from bmaguire, 127 chars, Sun Aug 12 12:16:07 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 924.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\n“The Whole Toon Catalogue”? Is this (dare I dream) a mail order source
\nfor animation on video? If so, how do I find a copy??<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #961, from hmccracken, 386 chars, Sun Aug 12 16:20:17 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 960.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nSee message #50 in animation\/sources for more information on the
\nWhole Toon Catalog, which includes scads of videos, books, and
\nother cartoon-related stuff. Give ’em a call for a catalog, and
\ntell them that BIX sent you! By the way, their address has
\nchanged since the message was posted: it’s now PO Box 369 in
\nIssaquah, WA (ZIP 98027). The phone number remains the same.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #962, from richard.pini, 107 chars, Sun Aug 12 18:06:12 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 911.
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\nYeah, all you need to do is ‘res conf\/topic’ instead of ‘res conf’ and you’ll
\nkeep the rest of the topics.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #963, from bmaguire, 50 chars, Sun Aug 12 20:30:11 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 961.
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\nThanks — I’m heading right over to check it out.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #964, from davemackey, 322 chars, Mon Aug 13 06:52:00 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 958.
\nThere are additional comments to message 958.
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\nIt is a very good article. There are some nice drawings there, and the
\nshow appears to be very colorful. I’m particularly excited about the
\nscoring of each individual show (rather than the use of stock music)
\nand the fact that there’ll be more drawings than the usual animated
\nshow.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #965, from davemackey, 214 chars, Mon Aug 13 21:55:52 1990
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\nTITLE: Jetsons movie on video
\nMCA Home Video has announced the videocassette release of “Jetsons: The
\nMovie.” It will be out on October 22, and will be priced at $22.99 list.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #966, from davemackey, 442 chars, Tue Aug 14 20:47:05 1990
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\nTITLE: Hampton
\nI find it quite amusing, with the premiere of “Tiny Toon Adventures” a month
\nor so away, that New York Giants player Rodney Hampton would already
\ncite a preference for one of the Tiny Toons on his uniform.
\nOne of the New York papers noted that the “P” fell off the back of his
\nuniform, thus changing it into the name of the Porkyesque character from
\nSpielberg’s gang of toons: Hamton.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #967, from hmccracken, 467 chars, Tue Aug 14 21:50:33 1990
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: We had a nice CBIX session last night in this conference.
\nA lot of you stopped by, and we discussed diverse topics including
\nanimation software for the Amiga, giant-robot animation videotapes,
\nanimation books and magazines, and the rebirth of Warner Bros.
\nanimation. If you missed it, you really *missed* it. These get-
\ntogethers will become a regular function of the conference: watch
\nthis space — or the bulletins, at least — for more details.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #968, from tshim, 80 chars, Wed Aug 15 01:05:01 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 945.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nWow. It’s been >so< long since Bullwinkle and Rocky were on television.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #969, from tshim, 281 chars, Wed Aug 15 01:08:53 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 953.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nFrantic Followups:<\/p>\n

1) Was Tummy Trouble ever reviewed (and if not, what did you think?)?<\/p>\n

5) “Fan mail from some flounder” I now recall from the short time
\nNBC showed R&B on the network a few years ago, and earlier times too.<\/p>\n

6) I will send in my vote entry for the poll pronto.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #970, from tshim, 82 chars, Wed Aug 15 01:10:28 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 946.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nIs “Ducking the Devil” a Franklyn original, or a Stalling or Scott
\ntransposition?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #971, from tshim, 119 chars, Wed Aug 15 01:11:49 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 947.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nSharp eyes! Still, no further light shed on this … we’ll have to wait
\nI guess for the third Beck\/Friedwald edition.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #972, from tshim, 542 chars, Wed Aug 15 01:18:44 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 948.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nWell, Freleng >was< actively directing (albeit not shorts) well into the
\n80s, and both he and Jones are “supervising” (deja vu?) Tiny Toons.<\/p>\n

(Speaking of which job, Jones was kind of ticked at Spielberg and
\nZmeckis basically dissing his suggestions to make Bugs less Clampettian
\nthan he appeared in Roger Rabbit, so we’ll see how big his (and Friz’s)
\nvoice is this round.)<\/p>\n

As for Tashlin, well, people knew him at least from his live-action
\nstuff. And Avery at least has a book on him, and a loving one at that.
\nI feel bad for Bob.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #974, from tshim, 501 chars, Wed Aug 15 01:23:55 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 949.
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\nBut Michaels was the guy who also did that awful Superman Turns 50
\nSpecial. (The one where Jan Hooks claims her son is a bastard of
\nSupes. Ugh.)<\/p>\n

When I saw the Looney Tunes 50th Ann., it was a clever concept, and
\nhistorically accurate (due a lot to Ford and Lennon), but the concept
\nwears thin after 30 minutes, and some of the actors couldn’t deliver
\nthe lines without hamming it up. The best bits were done by people
\nlike Candice Bergen, who really looked like she had tete-a-tete’s with
\nPorky.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #975, from tshim, 307 chars, Wed Aug 15 01:27:30 1990
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\nI’m not sure what you mean, Dave. I understand about WB and Turner
\nbeing rivals in the entertainment business, but what do you mean by
\n“they could set themselves up exclusively” if the two libraries were
\npooled? As for dist. rights, I don’t see your point: ABC and Nick
\nboth get their stuff from Warners.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #976, from tshim, 209 chars, Wed Aug 15 01:29:34 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 951.
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\nI’d like a view, if possible, of the Williams demo. (Put me at #305 on
\nyour to-do list — heh ehe.)<\/p>\n

By the way: Does anyone have a tape of the Camera 3 Special (about 1975)
\non “The Boys of Termite Terrace”?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #977, from tshim, 330 chars, Wed Aug 15 01:32:50 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 952.
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\nI subscribe, as you probably know by now. I haven’t seen the issues in
\nstores, but I’ll try to get to Forbidden Planet(s) this week.<\/p>\n

I’m not really interested (well, maybe a little) on >who< Thelma really is. I guess what I’m basically getting at with the question is: Is Thelma Scum a real name, and if not, why the pseudonym? ========================== animation\/main #978, from tshim, 78 chars, Wed Aug 15 01:36:46 1990 This is a comment to message 954. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Hmmm, could, er, someone tell me what Gordo is\/was? (It sounds interesting.) ========================== animation\/main #979, from tshim, 292 chars, Wed Aug 15 01:39:21 1990 This is a comment to message 959. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Why are all the juicy parts left out?: I didn’t even >know< Spielberg and Disney were in a spat, much less
\nhad to make up. Could someone fill me in with even half-truths?<\/p>\n

(And while you’re at it, tell me why Jones and Clampett are so
\nhush-hush? All I know is culled from pure intuition.)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #980, from tshim, 355 chars, Wed Aug 15 01:42:17 1990
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\nHow old is Noble?<\/p>\n

As for Leonardi, remember: Ken Harris, Phil Monroe, Gerry Chiniquy, Maurice
\nNoble, and Hawley Pratt all tried to be directors too, and turned out less
\nthan satisfactory results. Abe Levitow was decent, but Art Davis seems to
\nbe the only one who approached the magic (Norm McCabe maybe too).<\/p>\n

(Add Richard Thompson next to Monroe …)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #981, from tshim, 151 chars, Wed Aug 15 01:43:40 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 958.
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\nBob Miller works at the Bluth Studios? Wasn’t he the one who scathed
\nLand Before Time, complete with unflattering caricature of the title character?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #982, from sharonfisher, 80 chars, Wed Aug 15 16:48:54 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 968.
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\nOnly since Saturday, for me. In the Bay Area, it’s on Channel 2 at 9 am or
\nso.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #983, from hmccracken, 203 chars, Wed Aug 15 18:18:18 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 969.
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\nWe didn’t ever review _Tummy Trouble_ in _Animato_…I *did* review
\nit for _Cinefantastique_, though. I thought it was pretty good, if
\nredundant. _Roller Coaster Rabbit_ I liked much better.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #984, from hmccracken, 264 chars, Wed Aug 15 18:20:15 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 972.
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\nIs Jones really “supervising” _Tiny Toon Adventures_? He may have
\noffered some advice — ain’t no Warner’s animator going to turn
\naway Chuck Jones’s suggestions off-handedly — but I don’t think
\nhe’s taking anything like an active role in production.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #985, from hmccracken, 77 chars, Wed Aug 15 18:21:08 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 951.
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\nSorry, I don’t have a copy of the Williams demo reel. Wish I did.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #986, from hmccracken, 409 chars, Wed Aug 15 18:23:47 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 977.
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\nActually, I’m not all that informed on who subscribes. Mike Ventrella
\nhandles that.<\/p>\n

Thelma is — well, put it this way. While I know of few psedudonymed
\nwriters whose publications will openly discuss the fact, Thelma’s
\ncolumn has always been accompanied by a portrait of her. She has
\na beak, feathers, and wings. So it’s safe to say that Thelma is
\nnot a human being. At least under that name.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #987, from switch, 119 chars, Wed Aug 15 18:29:49 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 984.
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\nJones didn’t have anything particularly nice to say about _Tiny
\nTunes_ when we saw him in Montreal last month…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #988, from hmccracken, 481 chars, Wed Aug 15 18:30:02 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 978.
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\n_Gordo_ — which we discuessed in these parts some months ago —
\nwas a wonderful, underappreciated comic strip about a Mexican
\nbachelor by Gus Arriola. It ran for around forty-five years and
\ndifferent moments remind me of _Li’l Abner_, _Krazy Kat_, and
\n_Pogo_. Arriola was an MGM studio veteran who was heavily
\ninfluenced by animation, and as a cartoon fan you should try
\nto check his stuff out. A collection of his strips about
\nanimals was published fairly recently.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #989, from hmccracken, 459 chars, Wed Aug 15 18:33:00 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 979.
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\nRoger’s future was in peril because Disney liked the idea of releasing
\nRR shorts with Disney features, and Spielberg wanted to release them
\nwith his films. This all happened during the production of _Roller
\nCoaster Rabbit_, and that’s why that was almost the last Roger film.<\/p>\n

Clampett vs. Jones…Well, I can’t say much because I don’t know
\nmuch. The guys just rubbed each other the wrong way. Hkenner may
\nknow more about the subject than I do.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #990, from hmccracken, 27 chars, Wed Aug 15 18:33:27 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 981.
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\nYup — same guy.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #991, from hmccracken, 201 chars, Wed Aug 15 18:35:02 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 990.
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\nHe is a harsh (well, not harsh — honest) critic on such matters.
\nHis analysis of the wonderful current Bugs Bunny strip, delivered
\nto its authors, was that Bugs’s ears were the wrong color.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #992, from davemackey, 205 chars, Wed Aug 15 18:41:27 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 967.
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\nSorry I missed it! Will you be uploading a transcript for those of us
\nwho couldn’t tear themselves away from their adorable 13-month-old
\nnieces visiting from Florida?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #993, from davemackey, 394 chars, Wed Aug 15 18:43:29 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 970.
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\n“Ducking” was entirely Franklyn’s, though it utilized lots of pop
\ntunes on the soundtrack, including “It’s Magic,” “Sweet Georgia
\nBrown” and many others played in an unusually raucous style for
\nFranklyn.
\nAs you may know, Milt Franklyn had also been Carl Stalling’s
\nprimary arranger since at leathe 1930’s, so he had a lot to do with
\nthe Stalling sound.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #994, from davemackey, 193 chars, Wed Aug 15 18:45:39 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 974.
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\nI find the special historically significant because it marked the
\nfirst associations of Greg Ford and Hal Willner (music coordinator)
\nwith Warner Bros. cartoons. And that’s good enough for me.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #995, from hmccracken, 179 chars, Wed Aug 15 18:47:27 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 992.
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\nI captured the session, so a transcript is a definite possibility.
\nIt would require a bit of editing to render it intelligible, but if
\npeople are interested I’ll do it.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #996, from davemackey, 294 chars, Wed Aug 15 18:47:36 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 975.
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\nInstead of many different sources, if either Warner OR Turner was
\nenterprising enough and deep-pocketed enough, they could buy the
\nrights to every other package on the market and make themselves
\nan exclusive distributor of anything having to do with WB. You want
\nBugs? You gotta go through US.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #997, from davemackey, 218 chars, Wed Aug 15 18:48:37 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 976.
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\nHear hear! I’d really like to see that one again as well. Great show,
\nand my first real inside look at WB, just having gotten interested in
\nserious study of the cartoons at the time.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #998, from hmccracken, 333 chars, Wed Aug 15 18:49:55 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 996.
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\nWarner’s has probably kicked itself black and blue for ever having sold
\nthe cartoons that Turner now owns (which they did back in the 1950s).
\nThey must have also considered the possibility of buying them back…
\nbut those cartoons must be a very safe and easy source of revenue for
\nTurner (something he could use more of).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #999, from davemackey, 839 chars, Wed Aug 15 18:52:31 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 980.
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\nArt Leonardi had an amazing career with DePatie-Freleng after leaving WB
\nas designer, animator, writer, and eventually director. He also directed
\nand animated those Owens-Corning Pink Panther commercials and was also
\nresponsible for the poster art for the final Pink Panther features.
\nI believe for one that Leonardi has that legitimacy as a director.
\nAs for the others mentioned, disregarding those obvious fill-in
\nstints, I think that Gerry Chiniquy and Hawley Pratt were capable
\ndirectors, but they didn’t have that distinctive style — they were
\nmerely extensions of the style of Freleng, having worked with him for
\nmany years at WB. And I’ve gone on record as saying that Norm McCabe
\nwould have been a hell of a director if he hadn’t been out of the
\nbig-time Hollywood studios for 1943 to 1964.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1000, from davemackey, 99 chars, Wed Aug 15 18:54:42 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 998.
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\nTurner did take that awful loss on The Goodwill Games and could use a
\nlittle ready cash right now!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1001, from hmccracken, 71 chars, Wed Aug 15 18:55:28 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1000.
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\nSo let’s everybody here pool our money and buy the cartoons!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1002, from tshim, 914 chars, Wed Aug 15 23:15:48 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 916.
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\nBy the way, the forty shorts a year in 1940 as being the record is false.
\nWB put out 44 (wow!) in 1939, and this doesn’t include the Snafus and Hooks.
\n1938 had 36, and leapt to 44 the next year, and went from 40 in 1940 to
\n41 in both 1941 and 1942. Production fell to the mid-20s during the climax
\nof the war during 1943-45, but by the late 40s, with four units, output was
\nback up to around the low 30s. When Art Davis’s unit closed down, output
\nfell back to the 20s, but in the 50s, with each of the stable three units
\naveraging 10 a year, thirty or so was the norm for the decade.<\/p>\n

Clearly, there can be no dispute that a cumulative total of 166 shorts in a
\nmere 4 year span (with only Jones, Freleng, Avery\/Tashlin\/McCabe, and Clampett
\nas the four units) is an impressive feat. Scoring all of them in that period
\nis almost inhuman, which casts serious doubt on Stalling’s qualifications
\nas a mortal.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1003, from tshim, 379 chars, Wed Aug 15 23:17:55 1990
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\nTITLE: Hanna-Barbara Goes Full-Animation?
\nWhat’s the word on this $14-million “epic” that HB seems to be working on
\nfor a Christmas ’91 release? Is this the same studio that spawned Auggie
\nDoggie? That had to farm out work for the Jetsons movie to “punch up the
\nlook”? That was forced to contract Bluth Studios to do animation for their
\nown Universal Studio Tours attraction?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1004, from tshim, 185 chars, Wed Aug 15 23:24:59 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 989.
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\nSpeaking of releasing shorts with films, on the flip side, I thought
\nthat Dick Tracy was tailormade to be released with the Great Piggy Bank
\nRobbery. Ah well … the winds of fortune.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1005, from tshim, 1822 chars, Wed Aug 15 23:36:16 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 999.
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\naha! You’ve opened up a Pandora’s box for me here, Dave.<\/p>\n

But first question: Norm McCabe … “out of the studios” from ’43 to ’64?<\/p>\n

Now for the meat: I’m having a hell of a time trying to sort out the
\nfeature career of PP. I know DeP-FF did the animation for the original
\n“The Pink Panther,” and also for the second “sequel”: “Inspector Clouseau”
\n(which did not feature the feline). I >believe< “A Shot in the Dark,” released almost simultaneously, had no animation. When Peter Sellers returned in the appropriately titled “Return of the Pink Panther” (he had passed over “Inspector” — trivia quiz, who played Clouseau there?), Richard Williams, with Ken Harris!, took over the reins. This opened up what I consider the two best credits sequences in film history: The first being the one featuring PP in a hilarious spoof of the Mickey Mouse stroll, and the second (“The Pink Panther Strikes Back”?) placing PP in a whole manner of filmic parodies, incl. “Caberet,” “Dracula,” and “The Sound of Music.” In the “Revenge of the Pink Panther,” Blake Edwards returned to the DeP-FF studios (I assume with Art Leonardi at the helm), and went back to the rather dry stuff of the original film. So far, so good. Now, by this time, Peter Sellers had died. However, if I’m correct, two more features were slapped together, “The Curse of the Pink Panther,” and “On the Trail of the Pink Panther,” not necessarily in that order. I do know that the earlier one concerned David Niven (voiced by Rich Little due to throat cancer) eluding the last performance by Sellers. The later (and last) film involved a younger detective attempting to “find” Clouseau with Sellers in outtake footage. I can’t seem to find videotapes of those last two! Who did the animation? Plus, any correction of the order of the titles will help. ========================== animation\/main #1006, from tshim, 417 chars, Wed Aug 15 23:39:26 1990 This is a comment to message 991. ————————– Speaking of which: Is it just me, or does it seem that Bugs used to be bluer? I know in the early days, he was a bit brown, “taupe” as people like to say (I didn’t even know what shade that word was). But now, it seems that the newer Bugs’s (like the ones in the features) are given literal “gray” — when in his Golden days, he was >not< grey, but almost
\nbright blue, or cyan (for those of you with EGA monitors).<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1007, from tshim, 221 chars, Wed Aug 15 23:44:06 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 995.
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\nI’ll say — I captured that last few moments, which were a bit more focused
\nin topic, but if I recall correctly, three or four diverse subjects (from
\nthose you mentioned) were held simultaneously. It was almost surreal!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1008, from tshim, 144 chars, Wed Aug 15 23:45:18 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 982.
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\nCh.7 (WABC) here in NYC has Hippety Hopper, which has tweening stuff by
\nR&B, but since NBC canceled R&B about three years ago, nothing.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1009, from tshim, 188 chars, Wed Aug 15 23:47:06 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 983.
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\nI don’t know how the effect will be diminished by the small screen,
\nbut the effect of climbing over the top of a major coaster was
\ndone with incredible realism. An exceptional pull-off.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1010, from tshim, 790 chars, Wed Aug 15 23:52:28 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 993.
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\nOkay, yet another Bixen misunderstanding: I know realize you’re
\ntalking about the >short< “Ducking the Devil,” a rare late-50s McKimson treat, and an effective one at that. If I recall, that was the one with Daffs singing his head off to keep Taz calm enough to bring him into a zoo with a reward. You’re right, lots of opportunity for big band-music, and Franklyn didn’t waste it. Aside from the Stalling-Franklyn relationship (I didn’t know they went all the way back to the 30s!), what do you know about Eugene Poddany’s connection in all this? He gets some credits. Furthermore, if Milt goes that far back, why is he credited only >very< sporadically as “Orchestrations” … in other words, what
\ncertified his inclusion (considering (I assume) he did almost all of the
\narranging).<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1011, from tshim, 209 chars, Wed Aug 15 23:54:27 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 984.
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\nI use supervise speciously — in the mode it should have been used
\nwhen directors in the old days were stuck with that term.<\/p>\n

I guess you can call Jones and Freleng “consultants,” and occasional
\nones at that.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1012, from tshim, 422 chars, Wed Aug 15 23:56:34 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 987.
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\nWhat exactly did he say?<\/p>\n

I don’t know about Jones, but Freleng stated favorable things in the
\nAdamson interview in the Bugs Bunny mag, going so far as to say that
\nsome of the stuff was “better than ours, in some respects.” Tiny Toons
\non the other hand, Spielberg has gone on record to say, is intentionally
\ngoing for the type of Avery\/Clampett\/early-Freleng wackiness, and Jones
\nmay have disdain for that kind of stuff.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1013, from switch, 230 chars, Wed Aug 15 23:58:36 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1007.
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\nThe, ah, fluid nature of CBIX can be daunting if you’re not used to it.
\nIt can be controlled to some degree, but I think that’s largely something
\nto avoid, except for special events where you want to keep things on-topic…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1014, from tshim, 871 chars, Thu Aug 16 00:04:06 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1001.
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\nIn any case, for the animation fan, Turner’s involvement with WB is only
\ngood news. Overall, as I mentioned, I believe MGM\/UA treats its library
\nwith more respect and caring than does WB. Putting “China Jones” on the
\nlatest Daffy collection and never releasing Water Water Every Hare are two
\nof many faults. (I winced when I read Beck’s obviously trying liner notes
\non the box re: China Jones.)<\/p>\n

And showing the cartoon credits letterboxed is a check on Turner’s side.
\nPlus showing over four hours of shorts every day.
\n(Albeit that many duds, like Pink Panthers and the Jones’ Tom & Jerry’s
\nare also shown, not to mention the Famous Studio Popeyes, but no one’s perfect)<\/p>\n

By the way, I know both Beck and Maltin wrote liner notes, but didn’t both
\nor either also write liner notes for MGM? (I know Maltin does various
\nlive-action+animation special cassettes for MGM.)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1015, from tshim, 72 chars, Thu Aug 16 00:05:00 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 997.
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\nA mere 10 minutes are shown at the Schneider exhibit, too short for me.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1016, from tshim, 289 chars, Thu Aug 16 00:06:38 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 997.
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\nBy the way, speaking of Camera 3’s “The Boys of Termite Terrace,” I just
\nfound out that John Canemaker (host of the show and Renaissance animator
\nas all of you here must know) was the resident doodler of a show here in
\nNYC (on ch.2, the CBS affiliate) called “The Patchwork Family.” wow!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1017, from switch, 447 chars, Thu Aug 16 00:07:24 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1012.
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\nHis first comment was a response to a _Tiny Tunes_ question: “Anything
\nmade to specifically fill 65 episodes can’t be all that good.” He made two
\nother comments during his second show, in which he said he said that
\n_Tiny Tunes_ was not the same as what they did at the Terrace. Now, it
\n‘s (oops) generally known that Spielberg isn’t aiming to imitate what was
\ndone before, but Jones’ tone suggested that he wasn’t all that happy with
\nit.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1018, from tshim, 153 chars, Thu Aug 16 00:08:29 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 986.
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\nOkay, understood regarding Scumm.<\/p>\n

As for subscribing to Animato! — I just got issue #20 … again.
\nCan you afford sending double copies to all?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1019, from switch, 145 chars, Thu Aug 16 00:09:34 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1014.
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\nI believe he said he also did MGM work — that was when he was our first
\nCBIX guest, so you may want to check the transcript in \/listings.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1020, from tshim, 144 chars, Thu Aug 16 00:11:41 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1013.
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\nOh, most indubitably. Controlling free-for-all chats kills the spontaneity
\nlike >that< — and spontaneity is essential to a good chat session. ========================== animation\/main #1021, from tshim, 142 chars, Thu Aug 16 00:13:27 1990 This is a comment to message 1017. ————————– However, Jones and Freleng (and McKimson) did do a rather effective television show (The Bugs Bunny Show) — so let’s not get too hasty here. ========================== animation\/main #1022, from hmccracken, 139 chars, Thu Aug 16 01:07:39 1990 This is a comment to message 1008. ————————– That’s “Hoppity Hooper.” Not to be confused with “Hippety Hopper,” which is the kangaroo (“giant mouse”) in Sylvester cartoons. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #1023, from ewhac, 479 chars, Thu Aug 16 05:15:45 1990 This is a comment to message 1014. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 1014. ————————– > Cartoon credits letterboxed<\/p>\n

Yes, but the rest of the film is clipped against the edges of the
\nbezel on the TV set.<\/p>\n

In partiuclar, I’m thinking of Yankee Doodle Daffy. At one point,
\nSleepy holds up a card with with rebus icon ‘screwball’. Except that you
\ncan’t see it; half the card is clipped off the edge of the screen.<\/p>\n

I distinctly remember this cartoon from years ago, and remember
\nbeing able to see the whole card clearly. So someone is screwing up.<\/p>\n

Schwab<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1024, from ewhac, 118 chars, Thu Aug 16 05:18:03 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1005.
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\nAlan Arkin played Clouseau in the ‘other’ film.<\/p>\n

“A Shot In The Dark” did indeed have animated titles.<\/p>\n

Schwab<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1025, from ewhac, 64 chars, Thu Aug 16 05:19:26 1990
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\nMaybe they bought a copy of Disney Animation Studio?<\/p>\n

\ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1026, from tom.white, 91 chars, Thu Aug 16 09:45:02 1990
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\nI believe the film in which Little did Niven’s voice was
\na Disney film titled Candleshoe.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1027, from hkenner, 55 chars, Thu Aug 16 11:25:12 1990
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\nTITLE: Grim Natwick …
\n… is 100 years young today.<\/p>\n

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\n*** Moved from animation\/anime #299 of Thu Aug 16 16:25:56 1990
\nTITLE: Fantasia cel
\nJust dropping in on this conference, but is anyone here interested in obtaining an original cel from Fantasia??? I’ve
\ngot one that’s going up for auction in
\nSeptember.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1029, from switch, 17 chars, Thu Aug 16 16:53:28 1990
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\nWhich cel?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1030, from hmccracken, 179 chars, Thu Aug 16 18:35:58 1990
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\nMaybe there, too, but I’ve also heard the story that Little
\ndubbed Niven’s voice in the last Panther films. Candleshoe
\nwas made several years before the Panthers, too.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1031, from hmccracken, 83 chars, Thu Aug 16 18:36:51 1990
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\nHappy birthday, Grim! May the art of animation age as well as you
\nhave.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1032, from tshim, 2646 chars, Thu Aug 16 23:14:04 1990
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\nTITLE: Questions Answered.
\nIn a previous message, I outlined some questions I had for Jerry Beck.
\nWell, he did answer back. Below are abridged question and answer letters,
\nwhich I’m sure (read: hope) Jerry wouldn’t mind my posting.<\/p>\n

August 1, 1990<\/p>\n

Dear Mr. Jerry Beck:<\/p>\n

I just finished reading the transcript of the CBix session you
\nguested on the ANIMATION conference in BIX. I hoped to send you
\nmail at BIX, but it seems you haven’t been on since last December,
\nabout the time the CBix session took place.<\/p>\n

So … I’m send you this. I basically have three questions, and
\nI hope you have the time to answer them. A self-addressed stamped
\nenvelope is enclosed so you can start saving up for that Corvette
\nwith the 30 cents you save.<\/p>\n

1) Why didn’t include the “Hook”
\ncartoons (Navy versions of the “Snafu” shorts)?<\/p>\n

2) As I understand it, you wrote up the shorts from the 40’s and
\n60’s, while Will Friedwald wrote up the shorts from the 30’s and 50’s.
\nIs this true, or was it actually the reverse? I can’t seem to see
\nany change in style!
\nAlso: It seems most of the subjective commentary resides in the
\n30’s and 50’s section — I cite Frank Tashlin’s first short and the
\nRabbit! Duck! trilogy. Except for a few exclamations, the 40’s
\nsection seems, er, somewhat dry. (So does the 60’s section, but
\nthat’s due more to the subject matter that had to be viewed, no
\ndoubt.)
\nFurthermore, the whole book is “dry” compared to your and
\nWill’s first book from Scarecrow Press. Was there a conscious
\neffort to tone down the subjectiveness? And why all of a sudden
\ndoes there seem to be a shift back to the (temporary)
\nsubjectiveness during the 50’s descriptions (as mentioned above)?<\/p>\n

3) In the Scarecrow Press edition, much mention is made of Rod
\nScribner’s “loose-limbed” animation in Bob McKimson’s earlier
\n(pre-50’s) shorts. However, Scribner (who gets credit for “Falling
\nHare” in 1944) didn’t get listed until after 1950, when McKimson’s
\nstyle became rather stiff and square. So who >did< do the
\ntransiently loose-limbed Foghorn Leghorn, the Genie from “A-Lad-In
\nHis Lamp,” and the Senator and Game Commissioner from “Rebel
\nRabbit” (if not Scribner)? Was it Manny Gould? John Carey?
\n(Those two left when Scribner and Herman Cohen joined Charles
\nMcKimson and Phil DeLara in Bob McKimson’s unit.)<\/p>\n

I hope I haven’t put you to sleep! Thanks for staying with me
\nthrough this rather lengthy tome. I hope you can find the time to
\nwrite back — these trivial questions have bothered me since I
\nbegan reading your excellent reference book.<\/p>\n

Thanks,<\/p>\n

Thomas Shim<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1033, from tshim, 3471 chars, Thu Aug 16 23:21:15 1990
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\nReply to the letter in the previous message:<\/p>\n

August 14, 1990<\/p>\n

Dear Mr. Thomas Shim:<\/p>\n

Thank you for your letter. I will answer your questions to the
\nbest of my ability. (By the way, I grew up in Flushing.)<\/p>\n

1) The “Hook” cartoons: To the best of my knowledge and research,
\nthe “Hook” cartoons were either never produced or do not exist.
\nI have seen model sheets, and in Charles Solomon’s book, , there is a painting from a title card for one of the
\nfilms. In 15 years of research, I have never seen one or found
\nanyone who has. Chuck Jones says they were never made. I went to
\nthe Army-Navy film depository here in California to see the
\nrecruitment films listed in my book. They also had the “Snafu”
\ncartoons — but no “Hook” cartoons.
\nWe did mention them in our book, but the brief mention was
\nedited out. Please know that except for that mention, I firmly
\nbelieve that just about everything (except some TV commercials)
\nthat Leon or Warners ever produced is cited in the book. Also know
\nthat the editors did a very sloppy job of proofreading and editing.<\/p>\n

2) It’s funny you say you can’t seem to see a change in the style
\nin the write-ups of Will’s (30’s & 50’s) and mine (40’s & 60’s),
\nbut you notice more subjective commentary in the 30’s and 50’s.
\nThis book was under heavy scrutiny by Warner Bros. so any negative
\ncomments were left out or taken out by the editors. For the most
\npart Will Friedwald wrote the 30’s and 50’s cartoons, I wrote the
\nintro, the 40’s, the 60’s, and everything from page 368 to 390 (the
\nend), including the index. (For the record, I wrote about 30
\nentries for the 30’s & 50’s, and Will wrote a few for the 40’s and
\n60’s — some that I wrote in the 30’s were “The Isle of Pingo
\nPongo” and “Count Me Out”; Will wrote “The Hep Cat” and “Ali-Baba
\nBound” in the 40s; and we split the year 1950 about 50%\/50%.)
\nOur original Scarecrow book was actually a collection of notes
\non each cartoon, and was not intended to be a book. These notes
\nwere compiled while working with Leonard Maltin on his book . We hadn’t actually seen every cartoon when we did
\nthe first book, maybe about 75%-80%. We had always wanted to redo
\nthat book, with pictures. But those pictures cost a price — the
\ncommentary. When we started this new book, Will was in New York,
\nand I in Los Angeles dealing with WB. I let Will start on the 30s
\nand 50s section without supervision. When it was determined that
\nthe book was going to be a 300-page, small-format book, Will had
\nalready written many pages containing subjective commentary. I
\nedited his writing down to size and we determined to just make this
\na reference book — mostly dry descriptions. We kinda had to —
\nwe didn’t have enough room or pages to do what we wanted >and< have illustrations. 3) Rod Scribner was the studio’s resident “wild” animator. Even in McKimson’s later square stuff, Scribner contributed some great animation. I’m not exactly sure who did what in those late 1940s McKimson’s (we’d have to watch particular scenes to identify particular animators), but you can count on any ex-Clampett animator for the wilder stuff (I. Ellis, J.C. “Bill” Melendez, and Manny Gould). I hope I have answered some questions. If you like our book, then it was worth doing (you wouldn’t believe the resistance we’ve had over the years from different publishers). Give my regards to Main Street and Shea Stadium! Stay TOONed, Jerry Beck ========================== animation\/main #1034, from tshim, 689 chars, Thu Aug 16 23:28:30 1990 This is a comment to message 1023. ————————– I’ve always wondered about this. Not the clipping of the rest of the short; I guess those borders still annoy most people, so the letterboxing is restricted to the credits. No, what befuddles me is why the earlier shorts (mostly MGM\/UA, but the earlier WB library (1948-50) have so much more clipped off at the edges than the later stuff. The effect is most pronounced during the credits, but it shows up too in the film. Take a look at Inki and the Lion, and it always seems like the middle third of the film is the only part shown. The later WB shorts don’t have this claustrophobic feel, so I wonder: If they can letter box credits, why not pan back a bit in those earlier shorts? ========================== animation\/main #1035, from tshim, 817 chars, Thu Aug 16 23:33:44 1990 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: A Question about Greg Ford For those of you who’ve read his discourse in Film Comment, jan\/Feb 1975, I think it’s not too much of an exaggeration to say that the man, God love his enthusiasm, is a bit long-winded. At the least, his sentences go on a bit (about ten of his >sentences< make up the entire paragraph in his article),
\nand his structure, depending on your patience, is either comprehensive and
\ncomplex, or unbelievably convoluted and at times, intelligible.<\/p>\n

Was he trying to impress someone with 24-word sentences with 5 dependent
\nclauses? I was panting after finishing his work.
\nAnd much of that was due to having to re-read a lot of his stuff
\nafter losing the point somewhere along the sentence.<\/p>\n

(It kind of reminds me of German class — with all the verbs at the
\nend of the sentence! )<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1036, from tshim, 165 chars, Thu Aug 16 23:37:26 1990
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\nReally? If there was animation to “A Shot in the Dark,” I believe that
\nneither the Inspector nor the PP was in it — was it kind of abstract
\nshapes and lines, Leo?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1037, from tshim, 512 chars, Thu Aug 16 23:45:32 1990
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\nTITLE: Pepe Le Pew
\nIn Beck and Friedwald’s , it is said of “Scentimental Romeo”
\nthat this is the “last ‘generic’ Pepe Le Pew,” (following “Odor-able
\nKitty” (Pepe with no accent), “Scent-imental Over You” (Pepe chases a
\ndog, not a cat [the no-accent one chased a male cat of all things]), and
\n“For Scent-imental Reasons” (the Oscar winner with Pepe in a perfume shop).)<\/p>\n

Does anyone know what they meant by “generic”? They go on to say that
\nsubsequent entries “mixed in other elements, mostly scenery.”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1038, from grekel, 606 chars, Fri Aug 17 00:16:32 1990
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\nI haven’t heard about the H-B “epic” you mentioned, but I -did- see the
\nUniversal Studios\/Florida “Funtastic World of Hanna-Barbera” sequence
\nat SIGGRAPH last week. Bluth’s studios did the character and effects work,
\nbut the really exciting part was the rest of the show: a five-minute,
\nhigh-speed breakneck flight thru Bedrock, Jetson-land, a cemetary and
\nspooky castle, and a roller coaster unlike any other — all computer
\ngenerated! I assume it’s designed to be viewed by people strapped to
\nhydraulic platforms that pitch and roll in sync with the “flight path”.
\nPass the dramamine! It was wild!<\/p>\n

greg<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1039, from sharonfisher, 121 chars, Fri Aug 17 03:36:40 1990
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\nThey probably mean “the last one that wasn’t set in some sort of weird
\nsituation, like ‘Pepe Joins the Foreign Legion.'”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1040, from ewhac, 324 chars, Fri Aug 17 04:23:58 1990
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\nThe Pink Panther wasn’t in the opening credits.<\/p>\n

It opens with a dark figure with three heads wearing a trenchcoat
\nand hats. Bombs explode. Clouseau wanders about in surreal-ville. It
\nends with a large bird which lays an egg, Clouseau inspects it, and it
\nexplodes.<\/p>\n

The music was really really good, too.<\/p>\n

Schwab<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1041, from davemackey, 627 chars, Fri Aug 17 07:44:57 1990
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\nTITLE: Bugs vs. the Arabs
\nWith the growing tensions in the Middle East, our Arab community seems
\nconcerned over a 1949 Bugs Bunny cartoon in which he’s seen purchasing a
\nflying carpet from Madman Hassan.
\nThe reel in question is “A Lad In His Lamp,” and there were pieces
\nabout the film (fifteen prints of which are in rotation at AMC Theatres)
\nin yesterday’s “USA Today” and last night on “Entertainment Tonight.”
\nWarner Bros. executive Ed Bleier says there are no plans to pull the
\ncartoon, stating that the coincidence just acts as more proof of the
\ntimelessness of Looney Tunes.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1042, from davemackey, 101 chars, Fri Aug 17 18:17:20 1990
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\nI will have to check my records on that; thanks for the mathematics.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1043, from davemackey, 641 chars, Fri Aug 17 18:21:02 1990
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\nNorm McCabe did no work for civilian studios for twenty years. I believe
\nhe was still working with the military, working at Fort Roach in Culver
\nCity supervising a MoPic unit. He joined DePatie-Freleng as an animator
\nin 1964, marking his return. In fact, his post-Army career has been
\nmore prolific.
\nYou’re right about the fact that Richard Williams took over the main
\ntitle animation on the Panther films, but I lost track of the series
\njust as Sellers passed away and could not tell you about those final
\ntwo movies, the one with David Niven and the other in which Ted Wass
\nstarred as the detective.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1044, from davemackey, 421 chars, Fri Aug 17 18:23:21 1990
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\nEugene Poddany was a music copyist for Carl Stalling who filled in for
\nsome scores in the early 1950’s with Franklyn doing the arrangements,
\nwhich is the same as “Orchestrations”… for you non-musicians, that
\nmeans that Franklyn took Stalling’s piano score and determined which
\ninstruments should play what notes.
\nPoddany was also a full-fledged musical director for both Walter
\nLantz and Chuck Jones (while at MGM).<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1045, from davemackey, 245 chars, Fri Aug 17 18:25:22 1990
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\nFar as I know, the liner notes on the MGM\/UA cassettes are anonymously
\nwritten. But Maltin has hosted (and produced) several compilations for
\nMGM\/UA and I belive enlisted the aid of his longtime friend and research
\nassistant Jerry Beck on them.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1046, from davemackey, 461 chars, Fri Aug 17 18:27:23 1990
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\nAnd up until a few years ago, Channel 2 was still showing the almost-20-
\nyear-old episodes every Saturday morning.
\nIt’s really strange when you meet people like Canemaker on kids shows
\nand they turn out to be titans of other professions. It was years before
\nI found out Joya Sherrill, who hosted “Joya’s Fun School” on Ch. 11, was
\na vocalist for Duke Ellington, and her music director, Luther Henderson,
\nwas a respected accompanist and arranger in cabarets.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1047, from davemackey, 106 chars, Fri Aug 17 18:29:13 1990
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\nI clean forgot! Happy birthday, Grim! And may he have a century more!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1048, from davemackey, 349 chars, Fri Aug 17 18:33:21 1990
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\n“A Shot In The Dark” not only had DePatie-Freleng main title animation,
\nthe theme music to the film eventually became the theme to the “Inspector”
\ncartoons D-F produced from 1965-1969, and certainly a rough version of
\nwhat eventually became the Pat Harrington-voiced Inspector character
\nappeared in those titles.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1049, from davemackey, 409 chars, Fri Aug 17 18:36:15 1990
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\nI’ve always felt that the only things that changed in the LePew films were
\nthe way that the cat got the stripe painted on its back. But during
\nthe 1950’s and 1960’s they did change the format around a little bit
\n… the one LePew that Abe Levitow directed, “Really Scent,” sort of
\nde-emphasized Pepe and told things from the feminine viewpoint (with its
\nJune Foray narration).
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1050, from hmccracken, 151 chars, Fri Aug 17 18:47:20 1990
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\nGreg Ford’s writings is shaggy and convoluted — but observant and
\nwitty, too. I love his stuff and wish there was more of it, like a
\nbook.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1051, from hmccracken, 140 chars, Fri Aug 17 18:54:24 1990
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\nBTW, Streamline Pictures is considering re-releasing _Heavy Metal_
\nto theaters, with new music to prevent the copyright problems.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1052, from switch, 133 chars, Fri Aug 17 18:55:43 1990
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\nHmn. Might consider seeing it one last time to support Streamline and see
\nwhat new music’s been chosen… Hope it works out.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1053, from hkenner, 92 chars, Fri Aug 17 20:44:50 1990
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\nI remember seeing an LP jacket back about 1957:
\nSammy Davis Jr.
\nJumps with Joya<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1054, from tshim, 272 chars, Fri Aug 17 23:51:37 1990
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\nI checked out the tape’s cover (didn’t buy it) and it says that it’s 43
\nminutes long, which definitely means nothing was added to the television
\nbroadcast version of the Bugs 50th Birthday special.<\/p>\n

Which makes the $14.95 for a previously aired special kind of ludicrous.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1055, from tshim, 896 chars, Sat Aug 18 10:13:45 1990
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\nTITLE: Greg Ford\/Terry Lennon’s Bugs
\nI just saw the public service ad extolling the U.S. Constitution,
\nthe one featuring Bugs, Daffy, and Yosemite Sam. It really surprised
\nme how well animated it was, and how downright >right< they got Daffy’s personality. Even Sam’s surprise appearance caught me grinning. Their success with Daffs explains their use of him as the star in their projects. Nonetheless, Bugs is as well animated as I’ve seen him since the 50’s. And the enjoyability of the ad is greatly enhanced by an expert job by none other than Mel Blanc. He is >really< missed. And for a change, it seems that the WB sound dept. did a great job of playing around with Blanc’s voice: Sam, Bugs, and esp. Daffy sound >much<
\nbetter than they do in .<\/p>\n

Which reminds me — when are they going to repeat that one Ford-Lennon
\nSpecial I missed: Bugs Bunny Wacky World of Sports?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1056, from tshim, 309 chars, Sat Aug 18 10:59:50 1990
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\nHow was the Bluth animation, and who were the characters?<\/p>\n

(I was introduced rather sloppily to a likewise ride called
\nQuestor at Busch Gardens. What a disappointment, and the wait
\nwas about 1-1\/2 hours.<\/p>\n

A friend who went to Disney said that Star Tours is much better,
\nas I suspect Funtastic World will be.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1057, from tshim, 270 chars, Sat Aug 18 11:18:45 1990
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\nConsidering which, why are the opening sequences to the current
\nBugs and Tweety show (basically retracings of the old Bugs Bunny
\nshow) so terribly rendered and strobe like there’s no tomorrow?
\nThe original sequence by Virgil Ross was almost beautiful by
\n60’s standards.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1058, from tshim, 127 chars, Sat Aug 18 11:30:00 1990
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\nThe man obviously knows what he’s talking about. It’s just an
\nexercise in linguistics, but a book by him would be incredible!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1059, from tshim, 235 chars, Sat Aug 18 11:33:02 1990
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\nMost early Mancini stuff is, I agree.<\/p>\n

Wasn’t the sequence you described similar to the one for “Inspector Clouseau.”<\/p>\n

Anyway, I recently saw a tape for “Trail of the Pink Panther,” so I’ll
\nlet you know what I see in way of animation.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1062, from tshim, 88 chars, Sat Aug 18 11:37:47 1990
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\nSometimes, I’m so dense that I surprise even myself.<\/p>\n

thanks for the explanation.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1063, from tshim, 193 chars, Sat Aug 18 11:39:27 1990
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\nIs that the one where the two really love eachother, and where the cat
\nis born with the stripe?<\/p>\n

That’s also the one that I think really stands out as the truly innovative
\nentry in the series.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1064, from tshim, 87 chars, Sat Aug 18 11:41:04 1990
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\nAside from the fact that Hussein is about as mad as you can get, what’s
\nthe complaint?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1065, from tshim, 114 chars, Sat Aug 18 11:50:33 1990
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\nIs this the same Pat Harrington from “One Day at a Time” (which featured
\nMark Hamill in a very early appearance)?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1066, from tshim, 200 chars, Sat Aug 18 11:56:51 1990
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\nThe Owens-Corning PP’s look >very< much influenced by the Williams’ PP — did Art Leonardi do this in conjunction with DeP-FF? Didn’t McCabe get canned when Tashlin came back to WB? Or did he quit? ========================== animation\/main #1067, from tshim, 418 chars, Sat Aug 18 12:02:36 1990 This is a comment to message 1044. ————————– Yes, I knew Franklyn did all\/most of the arrangements, which makes me wonder: a) why he sometimes got credits, and (most of the time) did not, and it seems randomly at that, and b) why when Stalling composed the scores, lots of brass was used, vs. when Franklyn composed the scores, strings were the primary instruments. (Well, I guess Stalling would make recommendations or fill in key mandatory instrumentations.) ========================== animation\/main #1069, from tshim, 733 chars, Sat Aug 18 12:17:10 1990 This is a comment to message 1046. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– No kidding! I remember that show, along with Magic Garden, which featured what I used to consider two hot babes (read: I had a crush on them, esp. Carol — ladies, don’t take offense; “babes” is facetious up there). Sherlock, Flapper, and the Storybox, not to mention the Chuckle Patch. Were these shows commissioned directly by WPIX? They made an awful lot of references to the Bronx Zoo and NY Aquarium. Same with the Patchwork Family, although I would guess CBS deleted them for syndication (the show was originally done in WCBS’s studio here in NY, if I recall correctly). P.S. The doodler for Joya’s show was a notable comic strip artist\/ writer, but I can’t recall his name at the moment. He wrote many kids books too. ========================== animation\/main #1070, from dopheim, 106 chars, Sat Aug 18 12:32:43 1990 ————————– TITLE: BIXIE Animation If McGH assigns the BIXIE rights to a producer, can we see a BIXIE Cartoon series? ========================== animation\/main #1071, from hmccracken, 364 chars, Sat Aug 18 15:42:54 1990 This is a comment to message 1056. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 1056. ————————– I haven’t seen the Hanna-Barbera\/Bluth animation yet (hope there’s some way to see it without going to Florida), but I’m told it’s excellent. Star Tours I know is terrific — I waited for over an hour when I rode it a couple of years ago, and it was well worth it. Definitely a contender for the single best thing at either Disneyland or Disneyworld. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #1072, from hmccracken, 409 chars, Sat Aug 18 15:45:59 1990 This is a comment to message 1065. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Same Pat Harrington — also the same guy who appeared on the old Steve Allen show and who (I think) voices the safety dummy who isn’t voiced by Lorenzo Music in those public-service spots. Speaking of Mark Hammill, by the way, we should add him to the list being discussed in a different topic of famous folk who are into animated cartoons. He seems to be interested in both animation and comics. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #1073, from hmccracken, 541 chars, Sat Aug 18 15:50:44 1990 This is a comment to message 1055. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– If you’re referring to the spot I saw this morning for the first time in which Bugs sings a song about how “The constitution is splendid, but was meant to be amended” (clearly not with lyrics by Judge Bork, I agree that it was very good. Blanc sounded fine, and I am more and more convinced that much of the problem with his later recordings had as much to do with the recording practices as with the man himself. The nadir was probably _Quackbusters_, in which they seem to have forgotten to speed up his voice for some scenes. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #1074, from tshim, 432 chars, Sat Aug 18 16:54:38 1990 This is a comment to message 1073. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– If someone has the time, I’m sure that with the technology available today, the voices on Quackbusters can be altered without resorting to physically speeding up the tracks. As I understand it, Roger Rabbit’s voice tracks on various levels were raised, lowered, and otherwise played around with, not necessarily speeding things up (all the voice work, not specifically Roger’s). Will this mean it >will< be done? … Ah, well …<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1075, from tshim, 331 chars, Sat Aug 18 16:57:54 1990
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\nI want to try both that and Body Wars, which though medically
\nlaughable, is just as exciting.<\/p>\n

I wish the wait was a bit less. I’m going to Disney World soon,
\nand I’m wondering when are the least crowded days of the week, and
\nseasons of the year. Also, between Disneyland and Disney World,
\nwho has which screen\/hydraulics rides?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1076, from tshim, 176 chars, Sat Aug 18 16:59:33 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1072.
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\nI know Jennifer Tilly (buxom sister to likewise Meg) has an incredible
\ncollection of Spider-Man comics that she claims to have kept current.
\nI’d like to trade with her.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1077, from grekel, 151 chars, Sat Aug 18 17:53:41 1990
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\nthe Bluth characters were -very- faithful to the classic appearances
\nof H-B faves like Fred & Barn, Scooby, Elroy, et al. Voices were great as
\nwell…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1078, from hmccracken, 485 chars, Sat Aug 18 18:41:57 1990
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\nThe various official and unofficial Disney World guides have information
\non the optimum seasons, days, and times to visit the park. My favorite
\ntime of day to tour DW is late in the day, when it’s relatively
\nuncrowded and quite attractively lit.<\/p>\n

Star Tours has been open for several years at Disneyland, and just
\nopened recently at Disney\/MGM in Disney World. Body Wars is at
\nEPCOT, and probably isn’t a candidate for Disneyland, since there’s
\nno parallel to EPCOT there.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1079, from hmccracken, 133 chars, Sat Aug 18 18:44:37 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1077.
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\nBTW, Greg, any other interesting SIGGRAPH tidbits you might want to
\ncomment on in animation\/bit.by.bit would be welcome…
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1080, from davemackey, 252 chars, Sat Aug 18 21:22:29 1990
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\nJust to put it against new backgrounds, I guess. It looks like it’s
\nreally bad matte work rather than retracing the animation. Would
\nsomeone please get a hold of Kathleen Helppie and tell her just
\nhow awful this looks?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1081, from davemackey, 95 chars, Sat Aug 18 21:23:53 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1063.
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\nThat’s it. “And that is love in old New Orleans… laugh a little, cry a
\nlittle… au revoir!”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1082, from davemackey, 149 chars, Sat Aug 18 21:26:22 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1064.
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\nI’d have to go back and study the tape, but he said something about not
\nwanting to inflame further an already inflammatory situation in the
\nMideast.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1083, from davemackey, 217 chars, Sat Aug 18 21:28:14 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1066.
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\nAs far as I know, Norm’s military work was taking up more and more of his
\ntime. I wouldn’t imagine Tashlin coming back to WB for a third go-round
\nunless he was specifically asked.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1084, from davemackey, 241 chars, Sat Aug 18 21:29:53 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1069.
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\nThe cartoonist you’re thinking of was Brumsic Brandon Jr., who drew
\nthe “Luther” comic strip. (Not to be confused with Morrie Turner and
\n“Wee Pals.”) WPIX did produce all the shows you mentioned on their own,
\nas WCBS did “Patchwork Family.”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1085, from davemackey, 166 chars, Sat Aug 18 21:31:28 1990
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\nNo, the voice of the other dummy is that of Jack Burns, who was half
\nof the Burns and Schreiber team, with Avery Schreiber from the old
\nDoritos “crunch” commercials.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1086, from davemackey, 366 chars, Sat Aug 18 21:34:00 1990
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\nI’d have to go back and watch the film to see if this was feasible.
\nBut now you’re talking the same rosy-colored language that Ted Turner
\nused when he threatened to color “Citizen Kane.” Improvements to a film
\nnot made by the director themselves or without consulting with said
\ndirector or his estate aren’t a very nice thing.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1087, from tshim, 117 chars, Sat Aug 18 22:21:32 1990
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\nI’m interested in your comparison between Bluth’s animation of
\nthe Jetsons vs. the animation in H-B’s movie version.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1089, from tshim, 109 chars, Sat Aug 18 22:24:44 1990
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\nThanks a lot Harry, for the info.<\/p>\n

One last general question: Has anyone seen Captain EO, and how’s the 3-D?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1090, from tshim, 166 chars, Sat Aug 18 22:29:51 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1085.
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\nSpeaking of Doritos commercials, who does the great new ones with
\nthe Leopard\/Jaguar? That stuff, though 80s in style, is definitely
\nan homage to classic animation.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1091, from hmccracken, 66 chars, Sat Aug 18 22:31:55 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1085.
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\nWhoops! A nearly identical voice to my untrained ears.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1092, from tshim, 639 chars, Sat Aug 18 22:33:49 1990
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\nI didn’t leave out the possibility that Terry Lennon or Greg Ford themselves
\ncould do it!<\/p>\n

This is a bit of a sticky situation with me, as I’m a strict interpreter
\nof the “If you own a copy of the Mona Lisa, who is anyone to say what you
\ncan or should not do to it?” Please explain to me why Turner can’t do
\nsomething to a >copy< of something he owns? The opposition’s viewpoint seems to close to what Gene Siskel said: “People say that people can make the choice between a colorized version and a b\/w version. I say that people shouldn’t be forced to make that choice!” Hmmm, sounds a bit like the Ministry of Culture to me!! ========================== animation\/main #1093, from hmccracken, 463 chars, Sat Aug 18 22:34:24 1990 This is a comment to message 1089. There are additional comments to message 1089. ————————– _Captain EO_ is pretty good — though my main memory of it is how *loud* it is. There is one stunning 3-d shot of a meteo which seems to float out of the screen and into the audience: it has half the folks in the audience reaching out to touch it. That’s the best 3-D effect I’ve ever seen. The rest of the effects are good, but a little blurry as movie 3-D almost always is. The story and costumes are cute in a Disney-Michael Jackson kind of way. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #1094, from tshim, 466 chars, Sat Aug 18 22:35:40 1990 This is a comment to message 1086. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Another comment: Considering how terrible the recoloring process is, and if color is >that< important to distribs, why not recolor the
\nb\/w cartoons using colorization techniques for live-action films?
\nAt least that way the original animation is retained.<\/p>\n

Speaking of which, how is the recoloring of cartoons done. Are they
\nactually repainted cels traced from each frame? I can’t imagine that
\nbeing less expensive than computer colorization, but I could be wrong.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1095, from hmccracken, 798 chars, Sat Aug 18 22:40:52 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1092.
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\nWhile I think that colorization should probably be legal in all
\ncaes, it’s still terrible, whether done to one of thousands of
\nprints of a film or the only one. It’s changing somebody else’s
\nwork of art. If Thomas Shim wrote a novel which Ted Turner
\nsomehow acquired the copyright to, and Ted rewrote large portions
\nof it to make it more commercial and republished it, your
\noriginal vision would be comprimised. Colorization is much the
\nsame way.<\/p>\n

Besides, it just looks godawful! I’ll reconsider my opinion
\nwhen the technology advanced to the point that recolored films
\nare eyesores, but til then I don’t even have to consider the
\nmoral implications of recoloring. Recolored films are just
\neyesores (the hand-recolored cartoons moreso even than
\ncomputer-colored stuff, of course).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1096, from tshim, 292 chars, Sat Aug 18 22:41:57 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1080.
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\nOn the other hand, the end logo to the series, the 50th with Bugs
\nsnacking on a carrot, is rather beautiful an airbrush job.<\/p>\n

But — why is William Hendricks given music credit? And why are Carl Stalling
\nand Milt Franklyn near the bottom of the list? Something’s really screwy
\nhere on ABC.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1097, from hmccracken, 497 chars, Sat Aug 18 22:43:25 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1094.
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\nI don’t have the actual figures handy, but computerized color is
\nstill quite expensive (partially because it’s done by skilled
\ntechnicians), and hand-recoloring is very cheap (because it’s
\ndone assembly-line style in Korea). I believe that an entire
\ncartoon short can be recolored for not much more than the price
\nof recoloring a second or two of footage by computer. They do
\nindeed create new cels for every frame — actually every other
\nframe — of film, as well as new backgrounds.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1098, from tshim, 356 chars, Sat Aug 18 22:47:11 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1095.
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\nBut directors compromise screenwriters all the time, and producers
\ndirectors. And God knows how editors muck up visions constantly.<\/p>\n

As long as notification exists of the change, I don’t see the hub-bub.
\nBut it’s one man’s opinion.<\/p>\n

(But I do think there should be a capital punishment for the
\nhatchet-murderers who took on those b\/w Looney Tunes.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1099, from tshim, 165 chars, Sat Aug 18 22:48:27 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1097.
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\nIt’s strange, but if real care was undertaken to trace each
\ncel pristinely, the results wouldn’t nearly be so bad. At least
\nthe animation would be retained intact.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1100, from hmccracken, 360 chars, Sat Aug 18 22:53:13 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1098.
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\nTrue, true…But they’re all compromising each other before the film
\nis finished. Turner is compromising the films years later with
\nnothing more than profit in mind. I doubt that the folks who made
\n_Casablanca_ or _Miracle on 42nd Street_ really expected to have
\nhim as a collaborator on their films…And if it happened to me
\nI’d be really upset.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1101, from tom.white, 100 chars, Sat Aug 18 23:06:54 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1090.
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\nYou’re probably thinking of Cheetos’ Chester the Cheetah.
\n“It’s not easy being sleazy, er, cheesy.”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1102, from tom.white, 463 chars, Sat Aug 18 23:10:37 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1092.
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\nThe thing with Citizen Kane is, Welles owned ALL the rights to it
\nat the time of his death. The film could NOT be changed without
\napproval from him. Now, Turner is free to slaughter his personal
\ncopy with a box of Crayolas if he wants, but his networks cannot
\nthen broadcast it.
\nGiven that Welles is dead, change approval is unlikely forthcoming.
\nThe film has also been designated as a national treasure or something
\nby some Archive branch of the government.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1103, from tshim, 140 chars, Sat Aug 18 23:30:28 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1100.
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\nI guess we’ll just have to wait until the colorization process
\nis perfect enough to make it look passable.<\/p>\n

Seriously, it makes me gag too.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1104, from tshim, 184 chars, Sat Aug 18 23:32:00 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1101.
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\nThat’s the one. The whole series is a professional job, and some
\nof the gags are LOL-type. Real hoot, that Cheetah. (notice how
\nI got the animal wrong twice, as well as the brand!)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1105, from tshim, 137 chars, Sat Aug 18 23:33:02 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1102.
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\nNow that’s not a bad idea, the gov’t holding landmark status for certain
\nfilms — but I thought that act was still pending in committee?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1106, from switch, 119 chars, Sun Aug 19 00:09:18 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1084.
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\nWow! I never knew what Brumsic Brandon, Jr. did aside from _Luther_ —
\nwhich I reread several times as a child.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1107, from davemackey, 106 chars, Sun Aug 19 18:53:14 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1090.
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\nI don’t like the imitation of the Trombone Gobble he does at the end, but
\ndo recognize the homage intent.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1108, from davemackey, 202 chars, Sun Aug 19 18:54:34 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1092.
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\nTurner may own it, but he didn’t do it in the first place. It would be
\nlike if you purchased a Chevrolet and put a Ford engine in it. It ain’t
\na Chevrolet any more, the way Chevrolet intended it to be.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1109, from davemackey, 117 chars, Sun Aug 19 18:55:57 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1098.
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\nFred Ladd, unfortunately, lived to murder again: when’s the last time
\nyou saw a Fleischer Popeye in black and white?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1110, from tshim, 172 chars, Sun Aug 19 19:00:30 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1107.
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\nThey probably couldn’t get the original, and thereby had to improvise.<\/p>\n

But that, the dripping out of the faucet turned on by himself, the drain,
\nand especially the takes.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1111, from tshim, 559 chars, Sun Aug 19 19:04:49 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1108.
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\nWell, I’ve commented elsewhere, but let me say that nothing
\nprevents me from doing it, as long as I make the change
\napparent in any description I make of the vehicle.<\/p>\n

I was just expressing my dissatisfaction against the arguments
\ninitially brought out by the anti-colorization contingent,
\nbasically that legally it was wrong, people shouldn’t be forced
\nto make a choice, blah-blah-blah.<\/p>\n

If you hate it (and I do too), then say it looks ugly, stage
\nboycotts, protests, set up a Congressional equivalent of a
\nlandmark status committee … that makes sense.
\n\/<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1112, from tshim, 120 chars, Sun Aug 19 19:05:47 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1109.
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\nI saw one recently on an independent station while on vacation in
\nVirginia, but they’re colorizing them too? Geez. …<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1113, from grekel, 634 chars, Mon Aug 20 08:05:04 1990
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\n…comparing Bluth’s Jetsons with the movie…<\/p>\n

tsk. Sorry to say I haven’t seen the movie yet. But a true comparison would
\nbe tough, since in the Bluth sequence, some characters are on screen for
\nonly a second or two as you scream by them, and the others are in the
\nspacecar ahead of us, bobbing and weaving and inducing nausea.
\nYogi and BooBoo are driving the car “we” are in, but we only see them
\nat the beginning and end.
\n“We” are chasing the car ahead, containing The Bad Guy (from “Penelope
\nPitstop”?) who has kidnapped Elroy.
\nEverything else whips by at about 120mph.<\/p>\n

uh oh, the motion sickness returns… (whulp) (gak)<\/p>\n

greg<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1114, from davemackey, 329 chars, Mon Aug 20 20:55:56 1990
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\nThey were all colorized in the summer of 1988 in preparation for the
\nshort-lived syndication run through Access syndication, which Channel 9
\nused to run at 6:30 a.m. and were horribly sped up to fit four into a
\nshow. Though the Access people went out of the syndication business,
\nthe Color Popeyes remain on the Turner networks.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1115, from davemackey, 237 chars, Mon Aug 20 20:57:03 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1113.
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\nThe Hooded Claw a child molester? Now I have seen everything. Speaking of,
\nanyone know why Paul Lynde WASN’T credited as the voice of that character
\non “The Perils Of Penelope Pitstop” back in 1969?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1116, from hmccracken, 96 chars, Mon Aug 20 21:58:57 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1114.
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\nAnd are without a doubt the worst recolored cartoons ever — quite
\nan accomplishment.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1117, from dyarbrough, 633 chars, Mon Aug 20 22:40:16 1990
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\nI enjoyed Star Tours better than Body Wars, but they are both tied for
\nmy favorite rides in all the parks. Believe it or not Friday and the
\nweekend are slower. This is because they are major travel days.
\nIf by soon, you mean the Sept to early Nov time frame the parks should
\nbe relatively empty. There has been times in Sept that the wait for
\nSpace Mountain has been less than 10 minutes. One word of warning
\nthe reports that I have been getting back from Disney-MGM is that it is
\nthe most crowded park. You should try to hit the animation tour first
\nthing in the morning, because the lines can get EXTREMELY long for it.
\nDavid<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1118, from dyarbrough, 306 chars, Mon Aug 20 22:45:18 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1089.
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\nI like Capt EO. Some fairly decent affects. The 3D is not quite as
\ngood as the original 3D movie, but then that one didn’t have lasers. \ud83d\ude42
\nOne other thing to keep in mind is that there is talk of changing Capt EO
\nfor something else, so if you think you might want to see it, you should
\ndo it now.
\nDavid<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1119, from tshim, 84 chars, Tue Aug 21 00:07:48 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1113.
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\nWho did Elroy’s voice in the movie, by the way, since Daws Butler died
\na while ago?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1120, from tshim, 76 chars, Tue Aug 21 00:09:06 1990
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\nBy the way, did you take the ride, GREKEL, or did you just see the footage?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1121, from tshim, 146 chars, Tue Aug 21 00:09:53 1990
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\nPerhaps it was an impersonation of Paul Lynde?<\/p>\n

I was shocked when his death, by the way, was treated almost like an after-
\nthought by the media.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1122, from tshim, 59 chars, Tue Aug 21 00:11:16 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1116.
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\nWorse than the Vitaphone ones? Holy gosh, that >is< bad!.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1123, from tshim, 66 chars, Tue Aug 21 00:13:39 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1117.
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\nThanks for the advice, Dyar … will take all into consideration.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1124, from tshim, 107 chars, Tue Aug 21 00:14:36 1990
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\nWhat is “the original 3D movie”? Doesn’t Captain EO at Disney World
\n(Disneyland?) use the original movie?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1125, from hmccracken, 456 chars, Tue Aug 21 01:30:38 1990
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\nNope, it was Lynde in the original show, although I believe later somebody
\nelse did the voice. Maybe Lynde didn’t want the world to know he was
\nslumming in cartoons (though it was certainly clear enough from his
\nvoice), or was signed to some exclusive contract which in theory
\nhis cartoon work violated. Then again there are cases of folks
\nrefusing credit just to stir up attention — like Daren McGavin did
\nwith his part in _The Natural_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1126, from tom.white, 153 chars, Tue Aug 21 02:17:46 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1125.
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\nHmm. I remember in Airport 77, Jimmy Stewart and George Kennedy,
\nclearly the biggest names in the film, had bottom billing. Must
\nbe something similar.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1127, from ewhac, 1127 chars, Tue Aug 21 05:31:05 1990
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\nCaptain E0 is worth seeing once. I do not recommend repeating the
\nexperience. The music is LOUD. Michael Jackson is totally out of place as
\na spaceship captain.<\/p>\n

There were only two good 3D effects on the whole film. One was the
\nswirling galaxy at the very beginning. The other was the holographic video
\ntransmission (the floating image of the face looked like it really was
\nfloating there). Other than that, the 3D was bad. LucasFilms, great as they
\nare, did not at that time know how to handle 3D. As a result, there was
\nexcessive parallax just about everywhere. I was sitting at the very back
\nof the theater at DisneyLand, and there was a lot of stuff I couldn’t
\nfocus on, since it was just too far out of whack.<\/p>\n

The key to doing 3D right is subtlety. You don’t need more than 2.5
\ninches of parallax at *any* time. (You can use 3 if you *really* want
\nsomething to leap off the screen.) I learned this while working for UmeCorp
\nunder the tutalage [sp?] of Michael Starks, one of the top five people
\nworking in stereoscopy today. (He didn’t like Captain E0, either.)<\/p>\n

Flame, flame, flame….
\nSchwab<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1128, from tshim, 276 chars, Tue Aug 21 20:13:34 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1125.
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\nSomeone like Bill Murray not accepting credit to get more mention
\nmakes sense — why did McGavin want no name intact? I certainly
\ndidn’t pick this up!<\/p>\n

(BM, of course, did likewise for “Tootsie” — and it seems people
\nare more forgiving of a performance if it isn’t listed.)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1129, from tshim, 135 chars, Tue Aug 21 20:15:25 1990
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\nA recent article on 3-D motion pictures was featured in Starlog.
\nI don’t know, but it seems it’ll never come out of the novelty
\nstage.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1130, from tshim, 61 chars, Tue Aug 21 20:17:32 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 189.
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\nBugs sounds more like Curly of three stooges fame in “Wins.”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1131, from tshim, 39 chars, Tue Aug 21 20:23:25 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 565.
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\nIt’s a nice … er … tail she’s got.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1132, from tshim, 54 chars, Tue Aug 21 20:35:35 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 598.
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\nDid you also know that Blanc died on Jeff’s birthday?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1133, from tshim, 31 chars, Tue Aug 21 20:36:45 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 609.
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\nFrank Welker? Dave Coulier?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1134, from tshim, 58 chars, Tue Aug 21 20:37:37 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 619.
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\nOh, I know him — he does a killer Bullwinkle impression.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1135, from tshim, 49 chars, Tue Aug 21 20:44:15 1990
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\nArgh — where do you hear of these things, Dave?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1136, from dyarbrough, 396 chars, Tue Aug 21 21:21:56 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1124.
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\nBefore Captain EO was at Epcot Center there was another 3D movie that
\nused the same theater that Captain EO does now. I can’t remember the
\nname (all of my WDW brochures are packed away) but it was about some kids
\nout in a field and there are faded to carosels and other things. All
\nin all I like Captain EO more, but I think the older more conservative
\ncrowd prefers the other movie. \ud83d\ude42
\nDavid<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1137, from davemackey, 211 chars, Tue Aug 21 21:29:58 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1116.
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\nI laughed the first time I saw them try to do one of those 3-d backgrounds
\nwith a conventional background instead. The recolorings completely destroy
\nthe unique character the brothers Fleischer gave their work.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1138, from davemackey, 206 chars, Tue Aug 21 21:31:15 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1121.
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\nNo, it was the man himself… he did get credit when he did the voice of
\nClaude Pertwee on “Where’s Huddles” a few years later. He was the nasty
\nnext-door neighbor who always called Ed and Bubba “savages.”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1139, from davemackey, 242 chars, Tue Aug 21 21:33:00 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1125.
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\nAt the time he did the show, he was just embarking on his career on
\n“Hollywood Squares,” so I wouldn’t exactly call working in cartoons
\n“slumming” compared to reading ad-libs and discerning probable answers.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1140, from davemackey, 178 chars, Tue Aug 21 21:34:54 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1129.
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\nAny sidebar on the handful of 3-d cartoons that were made at the time
\n3-d was just making its splash? (“Lumber Jack Rabbit,” “Popeye The Ace
\nOf Space,” “Hypnotic Hick,” et. al.)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1141, from davemackey, 199 chars, Tue Aug 21 21:39:57 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1135.
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\nI have to admit that our friend mscoville tipped me off on this one the
\nnight before. I’m sometimes quite in the dark on these things myself, so
\ndon’t feel left out.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1142, from tshim, 170 chars, Tue Aug 21 21:42:23 1990
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\nSo how did they do these? Did they attempt to move the backgrounds,
\nor did they just use one for the whole shot? (Boy, the disasters
\nwreaked on these innocent shorts!)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1143, from tshim, 176 chars, Tue Aug 21 21:44:56 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1140.
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\nI’m not sure, I didn’t want to buy the magazine, and it seemed
\nmore interested inthe technology today and the failures (live-action)
\nof the past. I don’t recall any cartoons.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1144, from davemackey, 335 chars, Tue Aug 21 21:45:01 1990
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\nTITLE: Woody’s 50th
\nSay, folks, “guess who” is also having a 50th birthday? It’s Woody Woodpecker,
\nwhose first cartoon, “Knock Knock” was released in 1940. And in honor, two
\nvolumes of Woody’s best work have been released in “Woody Woodpecker 50th
\nAnniversary Edition.” Ha ha ha HA ha! So long, kids!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1145, from davemackey, 220 chars, Tue Aug 21 21:46:37 1990
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\nJust one regular background. Nothing special. By the way, one of the Turner
\nchannels showed “Adventures Of Popeye,” which is part live action, this
\nmorning. I’m surprised they didn’t try to hand-color the live footage!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1146, from erethakbe, 490 chars, Tue Aug 21 21:47:06 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1136.
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\nThe “other 3d film” was called Magic Journeys, and has been moved over to the
\nMagic Kingdom, near Peter Pan and Mr Toads Wild Ride. Since the Kodak
\n“Making Memories” intro was being used for EO, they had to come up with
\nanother “short film” to keep you waiting while Magic Journeys is going on.
\nIn that regard they chose the only 3D cartoon Disney ever did, “Working
\nfor Peanuts” starring Donald Duck and Chip and Dale. The cartoon is
\nterrific, and worth the trip to the Magic Kingdom.
\n.\\<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1147, from tshim, 105 chars, Tue Aug 21 21:50:31 1990
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\nIs that the one where the kid learns to eat Popeye if he wants
\nto assault the bully in his neighborhood?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1148, from davemackey, 152 chars, Tue Aug 21 21:51:13 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1146.
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\nDisney made another 3-D cartoon: the special “Melody,” a collaboration
\nbetween Ward Kimball and Charles A. Nichols.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1149, from davemackey, 12 chars, Tue Aug 21 21:51:32 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1147.
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\nYes, it is.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1150, from tshim, 224 chars, Tue Aug 21 21:52:19 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1146.
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\nIs the 3-D Donald short viewable in 3-D?<\/p>\n

I always wondered, cartoons like LumberJack Rabbit were in color,
\nso how did they accurately do those red and blues?<\/p>\n

(P.S. What is Making Memories about? An ad for Kodak?)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1151, from tshim, 98 chars, Tue Aug 21 21:53:17 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1148.
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\nAnother 3-D question: How did they make them?
\nMultiplane, painstaking readjustment of cels, what?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1152, from hmccracken, 176 chars, Wed Aug 22 01:19:56 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1150.
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\nI don’t know much about 3-D technology, but the color 3-D cartoons
\nof the 1950s used polarized glasses, not red-and-blue ones, so
\ncolor shouldn’t have been an issue.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1153, from davemackey, 552 chars, Wed Aug 22 17:55:08 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 896.
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\nAdding to our Snafu\/Hook thread, I sometimes wonder if the Snafu cartoons
\nwere used for experimenting with new gags and bits of business that were
\neventually used in the civilian cartoons.
\nReason: I discovered recently that one Snafu cartoon was the first
\nuse of the booby-trapped piano gag which Freleng later picked up for
\nuse in things like “Ballot Box Bunny” and “Show Biz Bugs.” (Snafu
\nin question was “Booby Traps” directed by Clampett, and the song in all
\ncases was the same: “Those Endearing Young Charms.”)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1154, from hmccracken, 153 chars, Wed Aug 22 18:05:30 1990
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\n…And the Snafu short _Target Snafu_ got remade into an insect-
\noriented civilian Warner’s cartoon the name of which I don’t
\nrecall just now.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1155, from hmccracken, 464 chars, Wed Aug 22 18:10:08 1990
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\nTITLE: Just received an interesting package in the mail from,
\nof all people, the editor of internal publicatins for the
\nCalifornia The Broadway department store chain. Enclosed was
\na 1931 Christmas magazine for employees which includes several
\ncartoons by, and a brief article on, a very young Bob Clampett!
\nThese have to be seen to be believed — this is one of those times
\nI wish I had a scanner so that I could put a graphic image into
\nthe listings.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1156, from davemackey, 55 chars, Wed Aug 22 20:40:40 1990
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\nHow about “Of Thee I Sting”? That seems to be the one.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1157, from davemackey, 178 chars, Wed Aug 22 20:41:33 1990
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\nWasn’t Clampett stuffing the Charlotte Clark Mickey Mouse stuffed
\ndolls at this time and just getting his start at Harman-Ising at
\nthe time?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1158, from tshim, 147 chars, Wed Aug 22 23:24:16 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1152.
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\nThey had polarizing technology back then? Hmm, sort of makes you wonder
\nwhy they bothered with the red-and-blue scheme with live-action pictures.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1159, from tshim, 69 chars, Wed Aug 22 23:27:15 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 971.
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\nFor those ff. this thread, see #1032 and #1033 for answers re: Hook.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1160, from tshim, 357 chars, Wed Aug 22 23:28:58 1990
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\nTITLE: Warner Bros. or Nelvana or ?
\nIn the Bugs Bunny 50th Birthday Magazine, a section is written
\non WB animation projects. Included are Beetlejuice and a series
\nbased on Brad Bird’s “Family Dog.” From what I gather, the former
\nis done by Canada’s Nelvana, and the latter is a studio (headed by
\nBird?) apart from WB’s animation studio. Hey, what gives?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1161, from tshim, 222 chars, Wed Aug 22 23:30:41 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1153.
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\nI wouldn’t be surprised if this were the case — gags are
\noften repeated between WB shorts, not necessarily Snafu’s.
\nBut I guess a case could be made for Snafu’s being less-restricted
\nin terms of trying racier things out.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1162, from tshim, 40 chars, Wed Aug 22 23:31:55 1990
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\nCan you describe the drawings somewhat?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1163, from tshim, 122 chars, Wed Aug 22 23:33:47 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1152.
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\n(An aside: there >were< color 3-D live action films done with the red\/blue
\nprocess … so I guess it can be done, anyway.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1164, from hmccracken, 21 chars, Wed Aug 22 23:52:35 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1156.
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\nThat’s it.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1165, from hmccracken, 314 chars, Wed Aug 22 23:54:35 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1158.
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\nPerhaps someone will correct me, but I think the association of
\nred-blue three-D glasses with the 50s three-D craze is kind of
\nmisleading. I believe most of the 50s three-D movies were in
\ncolor and utilized the polarizing glasses. The red-and-blue
\nglasses were most commondly used with three-D comics.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1166, from hmccracken, 304 chars, Wed Aug 22 23:57:07 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1160.
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\nWell, Warner’s is involved with several “non-Warner’s” cartoon
\nprojects. Another is the animated _Police Academy_ series.
\nNothing wrong with that…It’s just like the varied role they
\ntake in their live-action pictures: producing some themselves,
\nfinancing and distributing others, and so on.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1167, from hmccracken, 155 chars, Wed Aug 22 23:58:07 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1162.
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\nThey’re some column headings and some gag cartoons about the
\nChristmas season at the Broadway (one of which includes a
\ndrawing of Mickey Mouse).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1168, from hmccracken, 208 chars, Wed Aug 22 23:59:29 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1157.
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\nThat’s right, \u001dI think. The brief article mentions that he had
\ngraduated from Glendale High and gone to work at Harman-Ising
\nrecently, and one of the cartoons involves a stuffed Mickey Mouse
\ndoll.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1169, from jtrindle, 164 chars, Thu Aug 23 00:26:05 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1158.
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\nI think the reason is that polarized 3D required 2 prints and 2 projectors
\nkept in sync, where the red\/blue could be combined into 1 print on 1
\nprojector. …John<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1170, from grekel, 1599 chars, Thu Aug 23 01:04:28 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1120.
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\nOnly saw the footage, but it was a teensy part of the absolutely
\nstunning SIGGRAPH 90 Film & Video Theater. Other highlights:<\/p>\n

— Pacific Data’s simulation of a holographic display showing an
\nEarth-threatening solar flare (from the upcoming flick “Solar Crisis”).<\/p>\n

— “The Audition” from Apple. A worm auditions for a bulldog at the circus.
\nAll computer generated.<\/p>\n

— Pixar’s “Decco” California State Lottery spot: A deck of cards comes
\nto life. All the tricks, including motion blur.<\/p>\n

— “Grinning Evil Death” by Mike McKenna and Bob Sabiston. Combines
\n2D cel and cutout work with 3D animation — really funny stuff!<\/p>\n

— Tokyo’s Polygon Pictures did some incredible morphing of chrome
\nprimitives, giving them actual “muscles” which flexed in “In
\nSearch of Muscular Axis”<\/p>\n

— ILM rendered a set of hummingbirds that looked SO REAL it was scary.<\/p>\n

— Randy Bauer of Austin, Texas gave a nod to John Lasseter with
\n“Lava Jr.”<\/p>\n

— A MIDI control stream was used to trigger the motions of a computer-
\ngenerated set of bizarre instruments in “More Bells and Whistles” by
\nWayne Lytle of the Cornell National Supercomputer Facility.<\/p>\n

— “A Passing Shower” showed a computer recreation of rainy nighttime
\ndrive, right down to prismatic light streaks from passing streetlights
\nand an appropriately wet road. Absolutely floored me.<\/p>\n

Jeez, there was SO much in that show that I’ve only scratched the surface.
\nIt’s a shame most people will never see some of the neatest stuff —
\nresearch projects, tests, foreign work — but it was certainly worth the
\n$20 and the hour-and-a-half wait in line…<\/p>\n

greg<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1171, from bfitz, 222 chars, Thu Aug 23 02:30:12 1990
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\nTITLE: TI makes real 3D
\nApparently Texas Instruments demoed a real 3D holograph technique
\n(3D as in you could walk all around it) at SIGGRAPH. Did anyoone see
\nthis? I’m just going by a press release. It sounds incredible.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1172, from jtrindle, 489 chars, Thu Aug 23 07:30:25 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1171.
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\nI didn’t see it, but I read the blurb in PC-Week. The display is a hollow
\ncylinder with a transparent helix rotating within. Lasers draw the 3D
\nimage on the surface of the helix, and since the helix is rotating, the
\nimage can fill the volume of the cylinder. Cool, but I remember reading
\nsomething about the research into it about a year ago. I don’t think it
\nis commercially viable yet, and since it has a large mechanical component,
\nprobably doesn’t last as long as a CRT. …John<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1173, from richard.pini, 28 chars, Thu Aug 23 08:54:20 1990
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\nHey! This is a family conf!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1174, from davemackey, 176 chars, Thu Aug 23 18:48:46 1990
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\nTITLE: Birthday greeting…
\n…although a couple of days late. Friz Freleng marked his 84th birthday
\non Tuesday. Happy birthday, Friz!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1175, from hmccracken, 251 chars, Thu Aug 23 20:18:16 1990
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\nTITLE: Readers of Jerry Beck and Will Friedwald’s book
\n_Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies_ may be interested to know
\nthat Will has a new book out: _Jazz Singing_, from Scribner’s.
\nIt was reviewed in last Sunday’s _New York Times Book Review_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1176, from tshim, 148 chars, Thu Aug 23 23:50:27 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1173.
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\nHa! I didn’t notice that typo, and dave and the others must have just
\nignored it! Ha! — one of those classic bloopers.<\/p>\n

(Man, I’m LOLing here.)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1177, from tshim, 123 chars, Thu Aug 23 23:51:12 1990
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\nHappy Birthday!<\/p>\n

Does anyone know of any other famous birthdays, or where to find them?
\n(In the animation field, that is.)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1179, from tshim, 63 chars, Thu Aug 23 23:52:48 1990
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\nIs it anything about animation, or does the title tell it all?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1180, from hmccracken, 128 chars, Fri Aug 24 08:00:55 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1177.
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\nJohn Cawley will be publishing a _Who’s Who of Animation_ next
\nyear — that should be a good place to find birthdays.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1181, from hmccracken, 33 chars, Fri Aug 24 08:01:29 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1179.
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\nThe title says it all.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1182, from hmccracken, 219 chars, Fri Aug 24 19:19:37 1990
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\nTITLE: Now available in the listings is a videotapeography of
\nthe newly-available _Dick Tracy_ TV cartoons of the 1960s.
\nThanks to Dave Mackey for contributing the file, which is
\nthere under the name _Dick1_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1183, from tshim, 172 chars, Fri Aug 24 19:45:27 1990
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\nIf I insult someone, forgive me, but does anyone
\nactually watch these things (Tedd Pierce notwithstanding),
\nmuch lay out hard-earned cash for their videotape counterparts?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1184, from davemackey, 335 chars, Fri Aug 24 20:28:53 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1183.
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\nWell, they are kind of funny to watch, but not examples that I’d
\nwant to show if someone wanted an example of what, say, Ray Patterson
\nwas capable of in his prime.
\nIncidentally, on vol. 1, check out the cartoon “Red Hot Riding Hoods”
\nfor some wild alternate animation of Tracy in his office!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1185, from grekel, 238 chars, Thu Aug 30 00:29:27 1990
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\nTITLE: Grim Natwick article
\nlooks like a nice writeup of Grim’s 100th birthday in the Aug.17th issue
\nof “Back Stage Shoot”, pp.69 and 70.
\nEven includes a Fleischer model sheet for Betty Boop (no date, tho)
\nThe author is Howard Beckerman.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1186, from tshim, 121 chars, Fri Aug 31 20:15:49 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1185.
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\nThere was also a Leonard Maltin piece on Entertainment Tonight.
\nChuck Jones, Walter Lantz, etc., were all there. Great!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1187, from erethakbe, 1102 chars, Fri Aug 31 22:14:36 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1150.
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\nMaking Memories is a short film and song about taking pictures. While it
\nis not specifically an ad for Kodak, it does entice you to take pictures
\nand you ARE in the Kodak exhibit, so the connection is obvious. All EPCOT
\nexhibits have some sort of hidden commercial for their sponser. Making
\nMemories is one of those slide\/films where most of it is done with
\noverlapping slide projectors in sequence. It contains some absolutely
\nwonderful snapshots, many of which are famous, and some other boring
\ntedious shots (how many babies can you look at while waiting for EO?)
\nThe animals and children pictures are generally enjoyable, and if it
\nweren’t so darned long, might leave you feeling good. As it is, you
\nend up simply greatful it’s over.
\nThey have recently changed it, and it now shows a man’s life through
\npictures with voice-overs of him as a baby while his father tries to get
\nhim to smile, and follows him growing up until it ends with him trying
\nto get his own son to smile for a picture. While I enjoyed it less, I
\nwas greatful that it wa different from the LAST umpteen times I had been
\nthere!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1188, from davemackey, 416 chars, Mon Sep 3 14:14:51 1990
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\nTITLE: “DuckTales” movie family affair
\nThis point was brought home by a Disney channel between-show’s feature.
\nThe director of the DuckTales movie, Bob Hathcock, is the son of
\nveteran Disney animator Jerry Hathcock, who was one of the animators on
\nthe cartoon which precedes the film in theatres, “Dude Duck.” Both
\nJerry and Bob appear in the featurette airing between shows on TDC.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1189, from dispintoh, 367 chars, Mon Sep 3 17:34:42 1990
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\nTITLE: Hmmmm….
\nI was wondering…. where, or from whom, could I get a synopsis of
\nany\/all Ranma 1\/2 episodes, for as cheap, or preferbly free as possible?
\nI’m interested in the series, but can’t afford the super high prices for
\nthe videos, and it seems it will never be published as a comic…. any
\nand all help would be GREATLY appreciated ::smile::<\/p>\n

Mike \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1190, from switch, 234 chars, Mon Sep 3 19:59:47 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1189.
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\njoin animation\/listings
\nbrowse keyword ranma<\/p>\n

That’ll give you a bunch of the raaxxx.arc files, most of which have
\nRanma Nibbunnoichi\/Nettouhen synopses.<\/p>\n

You can get the Japanese comic at nearly any branch of Kinokuniya
\nBooks.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1191, from davemackey, 398 chars, Tue Sep 4 18:54:55 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 968.
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\nTom, it may interest you and the other New York area Bixen that
\nChannel 5 will begin airing Bullwinkle weekly, beginning Saturday,
\nSept. 8, at 11 a.m., right after the Fox network programs.
\nChannel 7 has already replaced “King Leonardo” with “Dudley
\nDo-Right” as of this past Saturday. So New Yorkers can again
\nenjoy the works of the late, great Jay Ward.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1192, from richard.pini, 1186 chars, Tue Sep 4 19:41:21 1990
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\nTITLE: Animation art show
\nI recently received an invitation to RA Salute to Disney Animation Art –
\nthe Early Years 1931-1942″ at the Philadelphia Art Alliance, 251 S. 18th St,
\nPhiladelphia, PA 19103. It runs from September 8 through November 3 (there
\nis, apparently, a member’s private reception on the 7th). Special events
\ninclude:
\n9\/22 – Childrens’ Studio\/Gallery Workshop – kids get the tour and learn
\nhow a cartoon is made
\n10\/6 – National Auction of animation art – catalog available for $10.
\n10\/6 – the 4 surviving of the 9 old men (Kimball, Davis, Johnston, Thomas)
\nwill do a roundtable discussion on what it was like to work at the
\noriginal Disney studio – plus Johnston and Thomas will have copies
\nof their new book on Bambi to sell and sign
\n10\/27 – another kid’s day, this time with clay animation<\/p>\n

Also, the catalogue of the exhibit is available for $15.<\/p>\n

I hereby issue the plea to anyone who decides to go to this – particularly
\non Oct 6th to hear the talk – can I PLEEEEEEEEZE pay you to get a copy of the
\nBambi book, with signatures, for me? I will be in Virginia that day – and
\nmight just drive up anyway! But just in case…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1193, from switch, 165 chars, Tue Sep 4 20:43:13 1990
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\nTITLE: Animation CBIX
\nI still have a transcript of our last CBIX chat on a disk – anyone
\nwant me to upload it to \/listings, or is it safe for me to delete
\nit?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1194, from hmccracken, 167 chars, Tue Sep 4 21:46:32 1990
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\nGee, the stuff on October 6th sounds like it’s not to be missed.
\nAll the surviving nine old men. Wonder how long a drive it is
\nfrom Boston to Philadelphia?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1195, from davemackey, 184 chars, Wed Sep 5 00:31:06 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1192.
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\nAs much as I’d like to pay you back for a recent favor, I too am going
\nto be out of town that day (on Long Island, in fact); otherwise I’d go
\nmyself.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1196, from hmccracken, 78 chars, Thu Sep 6 18:46:30 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1192.
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\nRichard, do you know what times the events on October 6th will be??
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1197, from richard.pini, 73 chars, Thu Sep 6 21:04:09 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1194.
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\nYou’re prolly looking at about 6 hrs – 3 1\/2 to NYC and 2 1\/2 to Philly.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1198, from richard.pini, 95 chars, Thu Sep 6 21:05:05 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1196.
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\nI’m not at my desk as I reply, so I don’t have the invite, but I will check
\nand post tomorrow.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1199, from mscoville, 422 chars, Thu Sep 6 22:07:05 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1198.
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\nThe round table discussion with the “Four Old Men” begins at noon. At two
\np.m. there will an auction of animation art. The catalog for the auction
\nis available for $10.00. Possible note: I was talking to the publisher of
\nthe Bambi book and was informed that it might not be available until the
\nmiddle of October. I hope that it will be available at the Art Alliance, but
\nthere the possibilty that it might not make it.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1200, from mscoville, 365 chars, Thu Sep 6 22:11:09 1990
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\nTITLE: The drive to Philly
\nHarry, the drive, depending upon the pressure to the accelerator is about
\n6 hours. It takes about 4-5 hours to NYC and then 90 minutes to Philly.
\nThe train takes about the same amount of time, the plane-about an hour.I hope
\nthat we will get a chance to meet you at the exhibition. BTW, the exhibition
\nruns from Sept. 8th until Nov. 3rd..<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1201, from mscoville, 252 chars, Thu Sep 6 22:14:47 1990
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\nTITLE: Hanna-Barbera
\nFor those who like to view or purchase animation cels, Hanna and Barbera are
\ntraveling the country promoting the cels from Jetsons: THe Movie. They will
\nbe in NYC on Sept. 13, 1990 at The Circle Gallery on 7th Avenue from 7-9p.m.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1202, from hmccracken, 58 chars, Thu Sep 6 23:20:53 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1199.
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\nThanks! Sounds like an event not to be missed.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1204, from hmccracken, 150 chars, Thu Sep 6 23:24:21 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1200.
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\nRight — I was checking train schedules today, as a matter of fact.
\nI thought the tran might be a bit faster than driving, but I was
\nwrong.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1205, from davemackey, 77 chars, Fri Sep 7 06:46:26 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1204.
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\nIf only the Metroliner stopped in Philly, but that would defeat its purpose.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1206, from hkenner, 180 chars, Fri Sep 7 08:28:37 1990
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\nTITLE: Jay Cocks
\nDoes someone here have on file the issue date of a TIME article about
\nChuck Jones, “The World that Jones Made,” by Jay Cocks? Some time in
\n’70’s as I recall. …<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1207, from hmccracken, 299 chars, Fri Sep 7 18:26:28 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1206.
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\nHugh, I don’t have that article, but as I recall it was titled “The
\nWorld That Jones Made,” and was published in late 1973. Fine piece, and
\none of the first to bring Jones’s name before the general public.
\nI can probably find the exact date (and maybe a copy of the article)
\nif you like.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1208, from mscoville, 86 chars, Fri Sep 7 20:56:10 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1205.
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\nDear Dave et al,
\nThe Metroliner does stop in Philly. Always has since its inception.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1209, from davemackey, 100 chars, Fri Sep 7 21:01:37 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1208.
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\nThanks, Mike… it just goes so darn fast the rest of the time, you
\ncan hardly tell the difference.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1210, from hkenner, 43 chars, Fri Sep 7 21:23:24 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1207.
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\nIf you could get me the exact date …
\n-HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1211, from switch, 262 chars, Fri Sep 7 23:36:24 1990
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\nTITLE: I’ve uploaded…
\n…raa025.arc and astuff13.arc. We’re now up-to-date on Anime Stuff,
\nand the Net stuff is very close to up-to-date (I’m in the middle of
\ncompiling raa.026, and I’m up to a week ago). I’m very tired
\nand I think I’ll go to bed now.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1212, from davemackey, 1018 chars, Sat Sep 8 18:00:45 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 205.
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\nWell, here we are, nine months after the announcement that “Fun House”
\nwould go to a combination live\/animated format. Guess what, kids?
\nIt DIDN’T!
\nIn the interim since my original posting, the following happened:
\n(1) The show became a once-a-week entry in the Fox Saturday morning
\nlineup, which premiered today. It is no longer appearing on a 5-day-a-week
\nbasis (save for next week, where it will do a special run).
\n(2) Creator\/executive producer Bob Synes passed away. Whether this
\nhad anything to do with the scrapping of the cartoon content is open to
\nconjecture, but I might guess that the cartoons were vetoed out of
\nrespect to Mr. Synes, who had been battling health problems for the last
\ndecade or so and succumbed on August 5th of cancer of the liver. Synes had
\nbeen a game show man primarily and may not have liked the idea of cartoons
\nintruding into his baby.
\nThe show continues as originally conceived and acts as the only live-
\naction show in the Fox canon.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1213, from tshim, 59 chars, Mon Sep 10 14:51:47 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1191.
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\nYes, I noticed! Wow, Bullwinkle, Dudly and Hippity. Wow!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1214, from tshim, 46 chars, Mon Sep 10 14:54:49 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1196.
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\nMike Scoville has all the details, i believe.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1215, from tshim, 20 chars, Mon Sep 10 14:55:26 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1199.
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\nWelp, there you go.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1216, from tshim, 59 chars, Mon Sep 10 14:56:32 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1193.
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\nsure, upload it. I have a damaged copy that’s incomplete.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1218, from dopheim, 130 chars, Thu Sep 13 22:09:04 1990
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\nTITLE: Little Mermaid indictments?
\nDoes anyone know if there are going to be federal
\nindictments ijn the Little Mermaid scandal?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1219, from bcapps, 690 chars, Fri Sep 14 00:20:02 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 925.
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\nI just saw a nice article on “The Stalling Project” in Pulse!, the freebie
\nmag available at Tower Records in DC. This is the Sept. issue with Los Lobos
\non the cover. They have a small shot of the cover which is filled with
\ncharacter studies (sketches and such, some colored). They also express the
\nfaith that the release of this compiliation will raise Stalling to the status
\nof being one of the truly original composers of the 20th century. Also, if
\nyou want to be complete, get the cassette version since it has “Stupor Duck”
\nsince the cassette could hold more than the CD, which is limited to 78 mins.
\nDon’t know if it’s out yet, only saw the mag at a co-worker’s desk today.<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1220, from cmattern, 120 chars, Fri Sep 14 01:33:41 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1218.
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\nLittle Mermaid scandal? Somebody want to clue me in on what the heck this
\nis?
\nChris<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1221, from davemackey, 256 chars, Fri Sep 14 07:13:56 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1219.
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\nBonus track on the cassette? That’s weird, since usually CD’s take advantage
\nof the fact that the average album is duped onto a 45-min. tape.
\nI don’t think it’s out yet, either. Believe me, I’ve looked and looked.
\nDave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1222, from davemackey, 51 chars, Fri Sep 14 07:15:45 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1220.
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\nJunk bonds and money in S&L’s. Poor Ariel… (Sob)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1223, from bsoron, 229 chars, Fri Sep 14 21:34:36 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1221.
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\n————————–<\/p>\n

I’ve spotted a few other releases whose cassette versions were
\nlonger than the CDs — essentially what would have been, in the
\ngood old days, double albums. Those could easily stretch to 90 or,
\nin extreme cases, 100 minutes.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1224, from dopheim, 110 chars, Sat Sep 15 14:21:22 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1220.
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\nIf you take a decibelmeter and measure the loudness of Ursula’s
\nshriek,you will find it to be a bit TOO loud.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1225, from bcapps, 275 chars, Sun Sep 16 23:22:45 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1221.
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\nWell, the manager @ the Sam Goody’s in The King of Prussia mall in the town
\nof the same name in PA (right near the C= show this weekend.) He said that
\nthey received a couple of copies, but they were sold out now. Guess who’s
\nhitting the record stores tomorrow night?<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1226, from bcapps, 922 chars, Mon Sep 17 23:51:53 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1225.
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\n—-====<<<< IT’S HERE!! >>>>====—-
\nAnd I got it, i got it, i got it!
\nThe cassette version of course. Some of the earlier tracks sound a little
\nscratchy, but then I might not be hearing it that well since I do have a bit
\nof hearing loss. The liner notes for the cassette are seven panels longs
\nplus the lip. There are there are three remembrances of Carl by Hal Willner,
\nJohn Zorn and Dick Blackburn. Hal produced the album and John was the prod.
\nconsultant. On the other side of the panels, there’s a picture of Carl
\ncomposing at the piano, a “Texas” background with a rabbit hole and a carrot
\ntop and Marvin Martian’s Martian Matomic Masher background. There are
\na few complete scores on the compilation with the familiar opening melody
\nright down to the close out for the “That’s All, Folks!” shell. I haven’t
\nfinished listening to it yet, but it’s a fun tape that’ll have you laughing
\nat the music.<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1227, from davemackey, 431 chars, Tue Sep 18 17:54:54 1990
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\nGee! Oww! Ooh! I went to three record stores last night. No dice! Did you
\nask for it by name or did you find it in a specific section?
\nThis is one I’m probably going to wind up buying both in cassette
\nand compact disc formats. I like the durability of CD’s and like the
\ncassettes for my car. (Imagine going to work every day to the strains
\nof “Dinner Music for a Pack of Hungry Cannibals!”)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1228, from hmccracken, 152 chars, Tue Sep 18 18:07:41 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1227.
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\nYes, I’d love to know what section to look in…Novelty? Children’s?
\nSoundtracks? It didn’t seem to be at Tower Records in Boston on
\nSunday.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1229, from bcapps, 680 chars, Tue Sep 18 23:18:47 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1228.
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\nSoundtracks under ‘S’ is where I found it. They were either out of or didn’t
\nget any CD’s. And my earlier estimates were incorrect; (I need to clean my
\ncar cassette player) but some of the earlier tracks either have very low
\nbass or they didn’t pick up cleanly. And I repeat my earlier opinion:
\nIt’s fun! BTW, TINAR on this and my previous message, just-in-case.
\nIt’s also amazing how certain pieces, quotes, themes (whatever!) are used
\nall over the place. Scott’s “Powerhouse” is the one set that comes to mind,
\nbut you also hear little snippets all over the place. Harry, did you get the
\nPulse magazine over at Tower? Might be a good reprint piece for Animato!.<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1230, from davemackey, 822 chars, Wed Sep 19 07:13:58 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1229.
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\nI got my copy last night, and what I’ve heard so far is choice. Only
\ncomplaint is the general sloppiness of the liner notes (Carl S. Stalling,
\nindeed! And these are men who should know better!). Also, the opening
\nto “You Ought To Be In Pictures” is preceded by the wrong version of
\nthe Looney Tunes opening theme. There’s a bad edit on that cut that
\ngives it away, and the LT theme used was the version that Warners
\nused from 1941-1945, not correct for a 1940 cartoon.
\nI think the 1956 Liszt piano solo might be from “Wideo Wabbit.”
\nThe album identifies only “Production No. 1425,” and “WW” seems to
\nbe the only one in that time frame that would qualify (the Liverace
\nbit)? Can anyone confirm my detective work?
\nI’ll be listening more carefully this morning on the way to work.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1231, from hkenner, 116 chars, Wed Sep 19 15:56:08 1990
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\nTITLE: What’s Opera,
\nDoc?<\/p>\n

Has any fanatic a listing \/ breakdown of the Wagner music in that
\nclassic cartoon?<\/p>\n

–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1232, from davemackey, 732 chars, Thu Sep 20 07:23:52 1990
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\nTITLE: Who’s #1?
\nThe Sept. 17 issue of “Advertising Age” summarizes the results of a
\nGallup poll in which 1000 adults were asked “Which one is your
\nfavorite cartoon or animated character?” The top five were Bugs Bunny,
\nMickey Mouse, Road Runner, Donald Duck, and Garfield.
\nBoth men and women named the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles as their
\nleast favorite characters. And when asked which advertising campaign was
\nthe most remembered within the last 30 days, it was the Holiday Inn
\npromotion with Bugs Bunny and “Stay with someone you know, Doc.”
\nA licensing executive said though the Ninja Turtles are hot right
\nnow, classic character are more popular with adults since they grew
\nup with them.
\nDave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1233, from davemackey, 229 chars, Thu Sep 20 07:26:00 1990
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\nTITLE: Coming soon (wrong category, but what the hell)
\n…to a Listings near you, the updated list of known errors (!) to
\nJerry Beck and Will Friedwald’s “Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1234, from tshim, 70 chars, Fri Sep 21 12:16:46 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1224.
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\nWait, I’m totally lost — what’s this about a Little Mermaid scandal?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1235, from tshim, 419 chars, Fri Sep 21 12:19:30 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1221.
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\nTape came out at Midtown Manhattan Tower Records on the 11th (a whole display
\nversion!) and the CD came out yesterday (the 20th).<\/p>\n

As for bonus tracks on cassette, this happens more often than you think.
\nEspecially considering the lack of vinyl these days, 90-minute cassettes
\nsometimes have more tracks than 78-min CDs. Even when vinyl was still around,
\nCDs had more or the same amount, but cassettes had even more.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1236, from tshim, 212 chars, Fri Sep 21 12:22:05 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1226.
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\nIs there “Toy Trumpet” on the Carl Stalling Project? I have a copy of that
\nsong on a Christmas album by Arthur Fiedler`s Boston Pops — does anyone know
\nif thePops did anything more with Stalling\/Raymond Scott?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1238, from dopheim, 45 chars, Fri Sep 21 21:55:16 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1234.
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\nit began with a shriek…
\na Too loud shriek.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1239, from davemackey, 340 chars, Sat Sep 22 01:45:46 1990
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\nTITLE: Merrie opening
\nTo those who commented about the opening animation on the Warner Bros.
\nMerrie Melodies series (can’t find the original message), it’s Darrell
\nVan Citters at work again; watch carefully as there are variations
\nin the opening from day to day, with different character interplay.
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1240, from davemackey, 301 chars, Sat Sep 22 01:47:33 1990
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\nI think there’s a brief snatch of it, but “Powerhouse” and “Dinner Music…”
\nget lots more play. If you haven’t gotten the album yet, Tom, grab it.
\nIt is a major achievement and the music really does take on a life of its
\nown stripped of voices and sound effects.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1241, from richard.pini, 124 chars, Sat Sep 22 16:35:01 1990
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\nIf I’m not mistaken, it has to do with a rather, um, Freudian tower as part
\nof the palace on the cover to the LM video box.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1242, from richard.pini, 507 chars, Sat Sep 22 16:38:00 1990
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\nCan anyone please say what the exact title of this album is? Or any other
\ninfo that would help in searching it out? I’ve tried all the stores in this
\narea and no luck. BTW, there are (to my knowledge) two very nice, though
\nspare, CDs out of the original soundtracks to Snow White and Pinocchio, taken
\nfrom the original 78 rpm discs (though cleaned up). The CDs themselves are
\nquite handsome, as they’ve been printed in black and gold to resemble the
\nold RCA 78 discs. Only about 20 minutes on each, though.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1243, from davemackey, 380 chars, Sat Sep 22 18:40:20 1990
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\nRichard:
\nThe title of the album is “The Carl Stalling Project: Music From Warner
\nBros. Cartoons, 1936-1958.” There’s a track listing somewhere in this
\nconference which gives the catalogue number. It’s a little slow in getting
\nto the stores. If you ask, the people in your favorite local record store
\nmight be able to special order it for you.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1244, from hmccracken, 380 chars, Sat Sep 22 19:03:54 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1192.
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\nRichard, you and anybody else who wants an autographed copy of the
\nJohnston and Thomas _Bambi_ book should know that they are available
\nby mail. Howard Lowery is sponsering an autographing party for the
\nauthors on October 13th and 14th, and you can order inscribed copies
\nof the book at $37.00 plus $6.00 postage from him at 3818 W. Magnolia
\nBlvd., Burbank, CA 91505.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1245, from bsoron, 316 chars, Sat Sep 22 19:05:48 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1243.
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Picked up the tape today and listened to it as soon as I got home.
\nIt’s just wonderful. I laughed out loud at a number of Stalling’s
\narrangements; as you say, it’s wonderful without the voices and
\nspecial effects.<\/p>\n

Local record stores seem to be putting it in the soundtracks area,
\nin the collections section.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1246, from richard.pini, 223 chars, Sat Sep 22 19:13:29 1990
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\nHm. I got that announcement, and I recall reading something to the effect that
\nonly copies bought at the autographing would be autographed. I’ll have to
\nreread that. If it’s so, you will hear the sigh of relief from there!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1248, from hmccracken, 196 chars, Sat Sep 22 22:39:11 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1246.
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\nNope, the coupon I got lets you specify who you want the book
\nautographed to and everything. Lowery’s holding an autographing
\nparty for Hank Ketcham’s _The Merchant of Dennis_ as well.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1249, from davemackey, 396 chars, Sun Sep 23 13:02:43 1990
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\nTITLE: Worth the wait?
\nIf you were scared off by the original high price of the hardcover “That’s
\nAll Folks! The Art of Warner Bros. Animation” by Steve Schneider, you
\nwill be happy to know that Henry Holt has just published the book in
\npaperback for $19.95. Should be in your local bookstore right about now.
\n“Chuck Amuck” is also soon due in paperback.
\n–D.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1250, from hmccracken, 126 chars, Sun Sep 23 13:09:26 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1249.
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\nAnd there’s also a new hardcover book about _The Musical World of
\nWalt Disney_ out. Doesn’t look too interesting.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1251, from hmccracken, 703 chars, Sun Sep 23 23:12:49 1990
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\nTITLE: Does anybody out there happen to watch the PBS mathematics-
\noriented kids’ show _Square One Televison_? I happened to
\ncatch it this morning, and one of the segments was an extremely
\nfunny cartoon, entitled something like “Dirk Niblick of the Math
\nSquad” that was *very* much like a _Roger Ramjet_ cartoon, from
\nusing Gary Owens’s voice for the main character (and using other
\n_Roger_ voices as well, I think), to using silent movie-type
\ntitle cards, as _Roger_ often did, to capturing the odd humor
\nof the _Roger_ cartoons almost exactly. I’m wondering now if
\nthe cartoon is a regular segment of the show, and if it was
\ndone by Ken Snyder Productions, the studio which did _Roger_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1252, from davemackey, 635 chars, Thu Sep 27 07:06:33 1990
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\nTITLE: Fall Disney News
\nThe fall issue of Disney News, which is sold primarily at Disney Stores,
\ncontains a rather hefty article on the upcoming reissue of “Fantasia” on
\nOctober 5, as well as a too-short interview with Disney animation writer
\nJoe Grant.
\nDisney takes great pride in the fact that the film is being rereleased
\nin its complete, two-hour form and original aspect ratio; some cities will
\nbe showing it in 70mm and “modified Fantasound.” Just the fact that
\nthe Stokowski soundtrack has been restored should be impetus enough for
\nanyone to see the music and hear the picture again.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1253, from richard.pini, 313 chars, Thu Sep 27 10:10:42 1990
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\nAnd don’t forget the siren song of the Disney stores, now that Fantasia is
\ncoming back – went in there a little while ago and literally felt the tugging
\nof the Amex card as it tried to eat its way through the side of my wallet.
\nThere are some wonderful (and expensive) bronzes, as well as a slug of other
\nstuff.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1254, from tshim, 163 chars, Fri Sep 28 15:46:52 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1241.
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\nOh, that I know about. I think Disney is trying to deny that it looks
\nlike what it is, and hopeit will go away.<\/p>\n

What threw me off was the punningin the thread.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1255, from tshim, 152 chars, Fri Sep 28 15:48:19 1990
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\nI’ve heard it, and my dad, who is a strict anti-animation fan, couldn’t
\nbelieve how someone “as talented as this guy couldn’t get better work.”<\/p>\n

Hmmmm.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1256, from tshim, 57 chars, Fri Sep 28 15:50:32 1990
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\nFor tracking info of the Carl Stalling album, seee #747.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1257, from tshim, 252 chars, Fri Sep 28 15:53:32 1990
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\nMostly what happens to Daffy as he gets it. How many variations?
\nFive? For each day of the stripping?<\/p>\n

The Disney influence is definitely there in Van Citter’s work, and for
\nall it’s fluidity, it just doesn’t seem “Warners”. Am I makeing any sense?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1258, from tshim, 275 chars, Fri Sep 28 15:55:18 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1251.
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\nI don’t know about etiology, but that is one funny cartoon, and
\neducational to boot.<\/p>\n

“What, mother? Two trains came in at both ends of the tunnel!
\n`Oh no, were you killed? Oh, they came twentyminutes apart?
\nHa!hA! Mother, you were tryuing to fool your offspring!”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1259, from hmccracken, 217 chars, Fri Sep 28 18:38:01 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1256.
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\nThe album is great, but it reopened a controversy in my mind that I
\nthought had been closed: when Carl Stalling died. The Bugs Bunny
\nbirthday magazine said 1972, but the liner notes for the album say
\n1974.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1260, from davemackey, 197 chars, Fri Sep 28 21:33:32 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1255.
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\nI’m certain Stalling, in modest midwest style, was happy just being the
\nforemost composer of music for animation and had no ambitions to displace
\nFranz Waxman.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1261, from davemackey, 320 chars, Fri Sep 28 21:34:59 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1257.
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\nSince VanC. did work for Disney for a while, there is an bit of a Disney
\nbent in his work. But if any one Warner’s director informs his work, it
\nhas to be Chuck Jones.
\nThere are five different variations to the opening, and the credits
\nfor the opening sequence are shown on Friday.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1262, from davemackey, 285 chars, Fri Sep 28 21:36:41 1990
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\nI’m not in the mood (or the clothes) to run out to my car to get the cassette
\nbut would swear on a stack of Stalling scores that the album says 1972.
\nRemember, the liner notes also claim Stalling’s middle initial to be
\nS., so anything goes here.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1263, from davemackey, 403 chars, Fri Sep 28 22:31:04 1990
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\nTITLE: More tape toons from WB
\nJust when you thought WB had no more toons to release on home video…
\njust in time for the holidays, it’s “Bugs Bunny’s Looney Christmas Tales,”
\nbecoming available this fall. The special was made in 1979 and features
\nthree all-new shorts directed by Jones and Freleng, including a Road
\nRunner cartoon taking place in a winter setting!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1264, from hmccracken, 75 chars, Sat Sep 29 08:20:03 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1262.
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\nGee, I’ll check again — maybe it’s the magazine that said 1974.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1265, from steven_edwards, 1206 chars, Sun Sep 30 23:00:54 1990
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\nTITLE: Peter Pan<\/p>\n

I recently bought a copy of the video _Peter Pan_ (Disney, 1952) for
\n$19.99 at the Nashua, NH Disney Store. Viewing it was quite a treat for me
\nas I had never seen the picture in a theater. An enjoyable experience of
\nclassic Disney style animation, with clear, crisp music and dialog. I would
\npoint out that the video cover art is done with 1980s style shadowing which
\ndoes not appear in the film.
\nThere is a $5.00 rebate offer coupled with the purchase of a Nabisco
\nproduct, something I will defer because of their connection with R. J. Reynolds
\ntobacco.
\nThe video is prefixed with two “coming attractions”: some backround
\nwork on _The Rescuers Down Under_ and _The Little Mermaid_. While I don’t
\nobject to the appearance of these, and find them MUCH less irritating than
\nthird party advertisements, I feel that a much better approach is to put these
\nat the end of the video and just insert a reference to them up front. That
\nway, those interested will hang on after the main feature credit roll.
\nMy favorite part of the picture is the “Clockwork Crocodile” and the
\naccompaning music. I also note the relatively few style changes in mermaid
\ndesign from 1952 to 1989.
\n— Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1266, from richard.pini, 189 chars, Mon Oct 1 01:03:36 1990
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\nNow see, if you’d bought the video at a Disney Store, it woulda cost $21
\nand change, but you also woulda got a neat, glow-in-the-dark Tinkerbell
\nwatch! (Am I a collectorweenie or what?) \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1267, from steven_edwards, 289 chars, Mon Oct 1 02:22:08 1990
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\nI did buy it at a Disney Store, and no mention was made of the
\nTinkerbelle (sp?) watch; maybe they had already experienced a run of
\ncollectorweenies before I got there. I would have wanted a crocodile watch
\nanyway; you know, one with pulsing eyeballs instead of a second hand. — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1268, from richard.pini, 310 chars, Mon Oct 1 08:13:13 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1267.
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\nOr one with a flying Peter Pan on one of those clear plastic dials to mark the
\nseconds, above a scene of Big Ben – or something. WED should hire us for
\nideas. The free watch was one of those “prebuy the tape by such and so date”
\nkinds of things – the cutoff was some days ahead of the 9\/17 video release.{xD<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1269, from dopheim, 147 chars, Mon Oct 1 22:45:34 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1241.
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\nActually,richard,<\/p>\n

if you measure the loudness of ursula’s shriek when she is hit by one
\nof her wrecks, you will notice that it is a tad TOO loud.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1270, from davemackey, 506 chars, Wed Oct 3 20:23:48 1990
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\nTITLE: Discovery
\nOne of the tracks from the Stalling album, “There They Go-Go-Go!” played
\non Nickelodeon tonight. I noticed when A\/B’ing the cartoon to its
\nsoundtrack that there are a few scenes out of sequence. I wonder if this
\nis Jones changing scenes around after the soundtrack is recorded, or some
\nincorrect sequencing in 1990 by Hal Willner.
\nGot the CD last night and the packaging is far better than the cassette
\nincluding a great commentary from Greg Ford.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1271, from davemackey, 630 chars, Wed Oct 3 20:26:40 1990
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\nTITLE: Tiny merchandising
\n“Tiny Toon Adventures” merchandising has begun in earnest. There are now
\nTiny Toons books on the bookshelves, along with a Waldenbooks “Name That
\nToon” contest featuring a trip to Hollywood as grand prize. (These books,
\nand a concurrent series of Looney Tunes books, are illustrated by the
\nGuy Gilchrist studios. He and brother Brad drew the “Muppets” comic
\nstrip.)
\nAlso, Playskool is rolling out two lines of plush Tiny Toon stuffed
\ncreatures, ones that talk and ones that do not. A stuffed Buster and Babs
\nwould look good on anyone’s bookshelves, wouldn’t they?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1272, from davemackey, 393 chars, Wed Oct 3 20:28:34 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1270.
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\nOn the other side of the quality spectrum — tonight’s Nick toonfest included
\npossibly as worse as WB ever gets: the 1964 cartoon “Corn On The Cop,”
\nwhich was directed by New York veteran Irv Spector from a script by
\nFriz Freleng — possibly the only known instance of Friz writing, but not
\ndirecting, a cartoon. And the master’s touch is notably absent.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1273, from grekel, 190 chars, Thu Oct 4 09:07:21 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1252.
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\n(from the coffee-table “Fantasia” book)
\nI was surprised to find out “Fantasia” marked the first time Mickey
\nU\u0001was given pupils in his eyes. Seems Walt wanted him more expressive…<\/p>\n

greg<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1274, from davemackey, 438 chars, Mon Oct 8 17:51:22 1990
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\nTITLE: More toons in theatres
\nAccording to a report in today’s USA Today, American Express is going to
\nreplace its commercials-in-theatres with sponsored short subjects, both
\nlive and animated. The theme will be “The art of cinema presented by
\nAmerican Express.”
\nThe first short, which will air in Cineplex Odeon theatres, will be
\nJohn Lasseter’s “Luxo Jr.” which earned an Oscar nomination in 1986.
\nDave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1277, from hmccracken, 2319 chars, Mon Oct 8 19:14:40 1990
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\nTITLE: As I’ve already mentioned, there was at the Philadelphia Art
\nAlliance this Saturday an exceptional event for animation fans. The
\nheart of it all was an exhibit of early (1928-1942) Disney animation art
\nwhich included many fine cels, drawings, and other pieces from the
\nearly Disney shorts and features, many of them from the collection
\nof Jeff Lotman, the exhibit’s curator. (Oddly enough, the Philadelphia
\nArt Alliance also hosted what may have been the *first* museum show
\nof Disney art, back in 1932.) The show continues into next month, and
\nis well worth the trip; if you can’t go, you may be interested in the
\nexcellent color catalogue which can be had by mail.<\/p>\n

On Saturday, the show was visited by four artists who worked at Disney
\nin the golden age, including Marc Davis, Ollie Johnston, and Frank
\nThomas — four of the surviving Nine Old Men — and Maurice Noble, who
\nbegan his career at Disney before going on to become Chuck Jones’s
\nbrilliant layout artist at Warner’s.
\nThomas and Johnston have just published a book on the making
\nof _Bambi_, which was available for the first time at the
\nshow (it’ll hit the bookstores next month, and I’ll review it
\nin another message). The four BIXen who attended, along with
\ndozens of others, eagerly snapped up copies of the book for
\nautographing by the four guests, who had all worked on the
\nfilm. Thomas, Johnston, and Davis sat at a large table to
\nautograph and were too mmobbed for us to do more than exchange
\nbrief pleasantries with; Noble sat by himself in another room,
\nand Dave Mackey and I were lucky enough to chat with him for
\nseveral minutes. Later, he joined the others at the autographing
\ntable.<\/p>\n

The four artists participated in an extremely well-attended panel
\ndiscussion on Disney and animation art after the autograph session;
\nwhile none of them said anything especially shocking or fascinating —
\nthe questions they were asked were pretty standard — they were
\nwitty, perceptive, and sharp to a man. Considering that Walt Disney
\nhimself died close to a quarter-century ago, it was quite remarkable
\nto have four representatives of the early Disney days in one room.<\/p>\n

The day was capped by an animation art auction; since this message
\nis running long and I have a fair amount to say about it, I’ll
\ncontinue in a later message.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1278, from tom.white, 612 chars, Tue Oct 9 01:00:48 1990
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\nI just got back from seeing Fantasia (with THX sound), which I hadn’t seen
\nsince I was a wee one. It’s much better than I remembered, but since I
\ndidn’t remember much, that was a given.
\nI noticed in the credits that Walt Kelly was an animator on one segment.
\nI also noticed another animator (in two segments) by the name of Cy Young.
\nThis is an odd question, but is this the same guy who was the best pitcher
\nin baseball at the beginning of the century? He was still alive at the
\ntime of the Fantasia production, but I’ve never heard that he went on
\nto an animation career, he just retired to his Ohio farm.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1279, from davemackey, 227 chars, Tue Oct 9 06:43:39 1990
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\nI don’t think they would be; the man who worked for Disney was named Cyrus
\nYoung, and if he’d had a double career in baseball and animation, certainly
\nwe would have heard about it by now.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1280, from davemackey, 167 chars, Tue Oct 9 06:56:27 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1277.
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\nDid anyone ever find out where Ward Kimball was and why he could not
\nattend? (Playing with his trains or something more serious?)
\nDave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1281, from tom.white, 159 chars, Tue Oct 9 15:40:29 1990
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\nOh, that clinches it. The pitcher’s name was Denton True Young, and
\n“Cy” came from his cyclone-powered pitching.
\nBut that sure would’ve been interesting….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1282, from davemackey, 240 chars, Tue Oct 9 18:19:07 1990
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\nTITLE: Grim Natwick
\nGrim Natwick has died.<\/p>\n

The creator of Betty Boop succumbed to pneumonia at Santa Monica Hospital
\nMedical Center on Sunday a little more than a month after marking his
\n100th birthday.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1283, from hmccracken, 292 chars, Tue Oct 9 20:17:38 1990
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\nI was going to say “How sad,” but it really isn’t. He had a wonderful
\ncareer, was an important man in his field, and lived in reasonably good
\nhealth into his second century. Not a bad life at all. I’m reminded
\nof Eubie Blake, whose death also came not long after his hundredth.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1284, from hmccracken, 297 chars, Tue Oct 9 20:20:11 1990
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\nPlus, Disney’s Young — who was a top effects animator there — was a
\ntransplant from China, unlike the baseball Cy.<\/p>\n

It is true, however, that Babe Ruth provided the voice of Andy Panda
\nfor many years, and that Ted Williams has ghosted _Blondie_ since the
\nlate 1960s.<\/p>\n

(Not really.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1285, from davemackey, 153 chars, Tue Oct 9 22:09:15 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1284.
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\nAnd who could forget those wonderful Popeye cartoons directed by Lou
\nGehrig? He really was an iron horse, he was…
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1286, from hkenner, 219 chars, Tue Oct 9 22:17:40 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1282.
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\nA minute’s silence. Aftr which, run an old Betty\u001b[B\u001b[B\u001b[B\u001b[B\u001b[B\u001b[B\u001b[B\u001b[B\u001b[B\u001b[B\u001b[B\u001b[B\u001b[B\u001b[B\u001b[B\u001b[B\u001b[B\u001b[B\u001b[B\u001b\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D
\n\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b\u001bfter which, run an old Betty. ‘Bye, Grim!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1287, from switch, 84 chars, Tue Oct 9 22:47:43 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1282.
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\n…off to join Mel and George and Jim and the rest of the gang…<\/p>\n

Bye, Grim.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1288, from hkenner, 269 chars, Wed Oct 10 15:42:41 1990
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\nTITLE: Grim Natwick
\nToday’d NYTimes obit adds these nuggets: that his given name was
\nMyron (they put Grim in parentheses and don’t account for it);
\nthat he died last Sunday, of “complications from pneumonia”;
\nthat he is survived by “a daughter and two grandsons.”
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1289, from hmccracken, 151 chars, Wed Oct 10 18:12:17 1990
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\nSo at last we know Grim Natwick’s first name. I’ll bet that Grim
\ndid *not* like the name Myron, and kept it to himself as much
\nas possible.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1290, from hmccracken, 879 chars, Wed Oct 10 18:47:47 1990
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\nJust read the _Times_ obit, and it’s pretty unsatisfactory, making
\nreference only to his work with Betty Boop. (And erroneously stating
\nthat Helen Kane provided Betty’s voice — she never did, and indeed sued
\nFleischer over the character.) I would think that mention at the very
\nleast of Natwick’s work at Disney, and the fact that his career spanned
\nseven decades and most major studios, would have been appropriat.<\/p>\n

I also wonder whether it’s _Times_ policy always to use the departed’s
\nreal name in headlines. Did it report the passing of Marion Morrison
\nwhen John Wayne died? Or the death of Thomas Wilson when Woodrow Wilson
\nwent to his reward? Their reference to Myron Natwick mirrors exactly
\ntheir obit for Daws Butler — I never knew his name wasn’t Daws until
\nthe _Times_ reported that Charles Butler had died, mentioning his nickname
\nof Daws in passing.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1291, from hkenner, 179 chars, Wed Oct 10 21:29:41 1990
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\nLet’s face it, no one at the Times knows who Grim Natwick was. They
\npicked up a day-old AP garble and stuck a head atop it. You are of
\ncourse dead right re Helen Kane, etc. …<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1292, from grekel, 192 chars, Wed Oct 10 23:54:19 1990
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\nre. Grim\/Myron…
\nIn a recent article, I read that when Myron was about 2 years old,
\nhe had trouble pronouncing his name. When he tried, it sounded like “Grim.”<\/p>\n

…and it stuck for 98 years.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1293, from hmccracken, 131 chars, Thu Oct 11 00:14:49 1990
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\nTrue enough. Instead of complaining I should send them a brief letter
\noutlining some of his other achievements, really.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1294, from hmccracken, 292 chars, Thu Oct 11 00:19:12 1990
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\nTITLE: Check out this week’s _Newsweek_ for a cover story
\non Garry Trudeau and _Doonesbury_ that will serve him well if he
\never chooses to campaign for the Nobel Peace Prize or sainthood.
\n(A real puff piece, in other words.) The issue also has a one-
\npage feature on _Tiny Toons_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1296, from davemackey, 246 chars, Thu Oct 11 07:16:24 1990
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\nIt is said to be the first major interview with Trudeau in 17 years. I
\nthink a stamp magazine recently got some quotes from him regarding his
\nstamp-related comics and projects but that really doesn’t count.
\nDave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1297, from hmccracken, 649 chars, Thu Oct 11 19:09:29 1990
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\nOne wonders if one condition of Trudeau granting the interview was that
\n_Newsweek_ wasn’t allowed to say anything negative about him. Or any-
\nthing that wasn’t wildly positive, even. I have admiration for
\nTrudeau’s storytelling sense, some of the characters he’s created,
\nand aspects of his drawing style (if he really is responsible for the
\nart on the strip). Now that I’ve read the article, I also have
\nrespect for his charitable work. But I do think it needs to be said
\nthat the current _Doonesbury_ is preachy, repetitive, out of touch, and
\nabout ten years past its prime. Only the art surpasses that of pre-
\nsabbatical Trudeau.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1298, from hmccracken, 1652 chars, Thu Oct 11 22:31:26 1990
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\nTITLE: That Auction at the Philadelphia Art Alliance Disney Show Last Sat.
\nI said I’d report on the auction, and it’s time I did. There were somewhere
\naround ninety pieces scattered over a *very* wide range of quality.
\nEverything from excellent Disney cefrom the 1950s to mediocre Disney
\nart from foreign magazines, to cels from recolored Warner Bros. cartoons,
\nto giant-robot TV cartoon cels. It made for some nice browsing, in any
\nevent.<\/p>\n

The problem was that whoever appraised the art did a terrible job. Not
\nin the price estimates — Mscoville probably has a better guess of how
\ngood those were than I do — but in the identifications. There were
\ndozens of errors in the catalogue’s descriptions of those few dozen
\npieces, and most of the errors were significant. Many pieces were badly
\nmisdated — some of the dating seemed entirely random — and many pieces
\nthat any fairly knowledgable animation fan could identify were marked
\n“studio unknown” and the like. A Tom and Jerry cel that itself clearly
\nbore the legend “copyright 1964 MGM” was identified as being from a
\n1963 Warner Bros. cartoon. And so on. The animation art market is
\nexploding, and it’s kind of embarassing when a major auction like this
\none has this problem.<\/p>\n

A good number of the pieces were auctioned for less than the low price
\ngiven in the estimates, so some people may have gotten some bargains.
\nI only bid once, on a gag rough featuring Little Audrey that was
\nidentified as being from a 1960 cartoon, although they weren’t making
\nLittle Audrey cartoons in 1960, and the drawing was clearly from a
\ncomic book (and one from the early 1950s, I would guess).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1299, from hmccracken, 2061 chars, Thu Oct 11 22:46:27 1990
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\nTITLE: _Walt Disney’s Bambi: the Story and the Film_, by Frank Thomas and
\nOlilie Johnston, is a very good book. Well, two books, actually: this
\njumbo $40 hardcover comes with a paperback flip book with four
\nsequences of animation drawings from the film — a nifty bonus.<\/p>\n

That’s the first unusual thing you notice about the book: the second is
\nthat the book itself is divided into two sections of roughly equal
\nlength. The first is a retelling of the story of Bambi, heavily illustrated
\nwith art of all sorts from the making of the film. The art is wonderful, but
\nI can’t help feeling that the lengthy novelization, as it were, of the movie
\nis here to pad out the book. If you’re interested in reading the tale
\nof Bambi, Felix Salten’s novel is better written (and translated by
\nWhittaker Chambers!) and still readily available. If what you want is
\nDisney’s version of the story, you can get the real thing on videotape.
\nThe retelling seems redundant.<\/p>\n

The second half of the book, though, is an excellent examination of the
\nmaking of the movie. Bambi was originally intended to be the second
\nof Disney’s features, after Snow White; it’s birth, though, was slow
\nand painful, leading to it being the last of the “classic” Disney
\nfeatures. Thomas and Johnston, who were both supervising animators
\non the film, do a great job of remembering the struggles that went
\ninto making the film, and the illustrations are first-rate.<\/p>\n

Thomas and Johnston call _Bambi_ their favorite Disney film and say
\nthat it was Walt’s favorite, too, which undoubtedly explains why
\nthey chose this particular film to examine in book length. Along
\nwith John Culhane’s interesting book on the making of _Fantasia_,
\nwe have two of the great Disney features covered in absorbing books.
\nThat leaves _Snow White_ — which has been the subject of a couple
\nof books, but ones with fairly limited texts — _Dumbo_, and _Pinocchio_
\nto go. The last is my favorite Disney film, and I’m looking forward
\nto reading a book on its making, even if I have to write it myself
\nsomeday.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1300, from davemackey, 601 chars, Thu Oct 11 23:10:40 1990
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\nThat was the cel that I pinpointed down to its short — a 1965 Tom and
\nJerry directed by Chuck Jones called “Duel Personality.” I would be
\na little more alarmed if Sothebys or Christies applied this sort of
\nnon-scholarship to one of their major auctions, but only mildly
\nchagrined at the non-profit organizations.
\nThe same degree of non-accuracy applied to the Disney exhibit which
\nis still going on there — drawings misidentified as cels, trimmed cels
\nmixed up with full cels, etc. It was nice to see some of the stuff that
\nthe honored guests helped create.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1301, from hmccracken, 236 chars, Fri Oct 12 07:35:49 1990
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\nRight — I’m not mad at the Philadelphia Art Alliance, which presumably
\nknew better. But apparently the identifications for the auction were
\ndone by the company that provided the auctioneering, which should have
\nknown better.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1302, from elfhive, 338 chars, Fri Oct 12 08:12:30 1990
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\nTITLE: Fantasia new release
\nJust say the 70mm dolby release with the enhanced soundtrack and what
\nsurely looks like some restored animation at the beginning of the
\nPastoral Symphony and in parts of Night on Bald Mountain. Talk about
\na timeless masterpiece! Dance of the Hours still breaks me up.<\/p>\n

I wish they would release this on video.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1303, from hmccracken, 126 chars, Fri Oct 12 17:17:50 1990
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\nPlease insert a “didn’t” before the “knew better” in reference to
\nthe Philadelphia Art Alliance in my last message.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1304, from hmccracken, 460 chars, Fri Oct 12 17:19:57 1990
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\nYup, _Fantasia_ was heavily restored for its current release — they
\nwent back to the original version (ignoring the ’82 re-recorded,
\nre-edited one), and did a great deal of cleaning up of the visuals
\nand music. I would like to know more about the specifics myself —
\nthere’s a special currently on the Disney Channel about it (which
\nI haven’t seen yet), and I’m told that the current issue of
\n_Premiere_ magazine has a feature on the restoration.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1305, from hmccracken, 346 chars, Fri Oct 12 17:30:04 1990
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\nDon’t know what became of Ward Kimball, but he did make the opening
\nof the show a few weeks ago. Incidentally, the latest volume in
\nthe reprinting of the complete Pogo comics has an interesting
\nintroduction by Kimball, illustrated with numerous Disney-era Walt
\nKelly sketches from Kimball’s collection of over a hundred such
\ndrawings.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1306, from grekel, 1082 chars, Sat Oct 13 19:51:44 1990
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\nThe Disney Channel special on “Fantasia” was very informative, and
\npresented in the traditional “Walt Is God” format. \ud83d\ude42 The article in
\n_Premiere_ is a lot more nuts-and-bolts restoration technique, which
\nI found fascinating.
\nCombine these two sources with the “Fantasia” coffee-table book (to be
\nfound at your local library) and you get a great exposure to what went
\ninto the film.
\nBTW, saw it last nite (35mm, alas), and was floored by the colors!
\nMUCH better restoration job than I had imagined!
\nAnd I really anticipated the closing shot in “Ave Maria”, supposedly the
\nlongest continuous multi-plane sequence to date, which had to be
\nshot three times: first time thru someone put a wider lens on the camera
\nand all the scurrying animators showed up… Second pass experienced an
\nearthquake toward the end of the shot, with no way to tell how badly the
\nplanes had been moved. Third time was the charm, and the closing shot
\nwas spliced into the release print hours before the New York premiere.
\nMighty handy there were a few seconds of black just before the scene started!<\/p>\n

greg<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1307, from switch, 140 chars, Sat Oct 13 21:20:17 1990
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\nHeard a rumor from a reliable source that Fantasia’s going to be
\non laserdisc after its run. This guy has never been wrong before…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1308, from hmccracken, 491 chars, Sat Oct 13 23:25:07 1990
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\nThe “_Fantasia_ is coming out soon on videodisc\/videotape\/whatever”
\nrumor seems to be running rampant, but I have no idea if it’s true
\nor not. Seems to me the film would have to be marketed in a different
\nway than Disney’s other animated video releases, which are the sort
\nof things that kids will watch over and over, can be sold through
\nproduct tie ins and McDonald’s promotions, and so on. _Fantasia_
\nis a different kind of film, and I don’t know if that approach would
\nwork.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1309, from hmccracken, 309 chars, Sat Oct 13 23:27:05 1990
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\nTITLE: Did you know…
\nthat Jeff Bergman, the man behind most of Mel Blanc’s Warner Bros.
\nvoices nowadays, did about a quarter of Mr. Spacely’s dialogue and
\nsome of George Jetson’s in the recent _Jetsons_ movie? This is
\naccording to an interesting piece on the _Inside Edition_ TV show
\nyesterday.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1310, from switch, 346 chars, Sun Oct 14 14:11:23 1990
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\n…which is why I would expect it to be out exclusively on laserdisc,
\nactually. The kind of person who appreciates letterboxed films on
\nLD is the same kind of person who would probably appreciate Fantasia
\n(at least that would apply here, where LD hasn’t really caught on
\nyet — only cimema\/audio\/videophiles really get LD players here…)<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1311, from elfhive, 191 chars, Sun Oct 14 14:27:37 1990
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\nFantasia isn’t in wide screen ratio as I recall. The 70mm projection
\nI saw here in DC was a nearly square format which would be more
\nsuitable for the standard tv screen without letterboxing.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1312, from hmccracken, 673 chars, Sun Oct 14 20:49:27 1990
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\nTITLE: Just returned from the Museum of Cartoon Art, where I caught
\nits Bugs Bunny exhibit on the very last day it was up. Great show —
\ntons of cels, drawings, and other artwork, including esoteric things
\nlike a page from a 1940s Bugs Bunny comic book and the recent art for
\nthe _Bugs and Daffy: the Wartime Years_ videotape. That the show was
\nput on without any art from the collection of Steve Schneider, by far
\nour most prominent conservator of Warner Bros. art, makes it doubly
\nimpressive.<\/p>\n

Although the Bugs show is over, the Museum is of course still around, and
\nalways worth visiting. The next major exhibit is devoted to Chester
\nGould’s _Dick Tracy_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1313, from richard.pini, 1450 chars, Tue Oct 16 09:41:35 1990
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\nTITLE: Off the road again…
\nJust got back from a week-and-a-half walkabout (semi-regular things where
\nI get in the car, load up on Twinkies and Diet Pepsi, and drive all over,
\ndoing business and seeing things until I can’t stand it any more…)
\nThe one bad aspect of such trips is that I really go out of touch with
\nthe world. It wasn’t until I read this topic that I learned of Grim Natwick’s
\npassing. You’re right – a life that long and full deserves celebration, not
\ngrief – but still needed a moment or two of silence and reflection. (I guess
\nI’m feeling a bit vulnerable after the news, which I did hear on the radio,
\nof Leonard Bernstein’s death Sunday – I had just finished listening to a
\ntape of him conducting “Pictures at an Exhibition” – a favorite composition –
\nwhen I heard the news.)
\nAt any rate, on a happier note (or lots of them), it took me a trip to
\nBirmingham, Alabama to find it, but I finally got the Carl Stalling CD!!!
\nAnd then had to wait a week to get home to play it. In fact, it’s going now,
\nand I’m finding it difficult to type while quaking with laughter. Lordy, I’ve
\nheard every note of this in context, but just having the music is hysterical!
\nAnd surprise #2 – the printing on the disc! Eyeballs, look out!
\nAlso found the remastered Fantasia soundtrack, but haven’t put that on
\nyet. We’re planning to see the film tonight…I’ve seen it, oh, half a dozen
\ntimes and am really looking forward to the facelift.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1314, from hmccracken, 295 chars, Tue Oct 16 19:38:59 1990
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\nEnjoy _Fantasia_, and please share your thoughts with us afterwards.<\/p>\n

Incidentally, I now know that I was present at a significant event
\nin history about two months ago: I saw Leonard Bernstein conduct
\nat Tanglewood. It was a wonderful performance that turned out to
\nbe his last one.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1315, from richard.pini, 956 chars, Wed Oct 17 17:03:32 1990
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\nWell, we didn’t go to last night’s show; we did go to today’s matinee.
\nFrom the opening screen it was obvious that we were going to see COLOR. The
\nlast time I saw the film in the theater was (mumble) years ago, and the video
\nthat I DON’T OWN is, one might suspect, color-impaire I almost found the
\ncolor too intense in certain sections – of course, Wendy has never liked the
\ninterpretation of Beethoven’s 6th Symphony (fatal cuteness), and she said that
\nthe vivid colors almost made it unwatchable. (She was smiling as she said it,
\nbut…) On the other hand, Night on Bald Mountain was a joy to see, as I caught
\nbits of business I’d not noticed before. All in all, the cleanup brought up
\ncontrasts that really enhanced the film – quite noticeable in water scenes
\nand wherever there is lots of detail (bubbles, leaves, stuff like that).
\nAlmost unrelated – but I also enjoyed seeing a film in an almost square
\naspect ratio. Seemed…friendlier, somehow.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1316, from hmccracken, 269 chars, Wed Oct 17 18:08:55 1990
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\nI am probably the only person on earth who likes the Pastoral Symphony
\nsection of _Fantasia_. While it is hardly the best section, it’s
\nDisney being unabashedly, honesty *Disney*, which is fine by me, and
\npreferable to the pompous stuff that opens the film.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1317, from elfhive, 306 chars, Wed Oct 17 22:04:24 1990
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\nTITLE: Can it be coincidence?
\nWith the rerelease of Fantasia, our local art film theatre (The Biograph
\nin Georgetown) is showing Allegro Non Troppo this week. Am I spoiled or
\nwhat \ud83d\ude42 I love this film almost as much as Fantasia.<\/p>\n

Does anyone know if an official release of this film is available on
\nvideo?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1318, from davemackey, 399 chars, Thu Oct 18 01:17:36 1990
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\n“Allegro Non Troppo” is listed in the Summer Whole Toon Catalogue as a
\n“limited access” title, meaning it has been withdrawn but they still have
\ncopies available. Their current price is $34.95; please check the
\nsources section for an address for a catalogue. If you want to check
\nyour local stores, the tape was released by BMG and its catalogue number
\nis 60286.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1319, from erethakbe, 314 chars, Fri Oct 19 00:18:12 1990
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\nI personally saw a Pioneer TV ad for “Laserdisc. The only format that
\ncould do justice to Fantasia”. While the ad DOESN’T say that the film
\nis being released, it certainly HINTS pretty strong.
\nI have also heard that VHS and Beta are out of the question, so
\nLaser will be the ONLY format, if it is released at all.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1320, from richard.pini, 228 chars, Fri Oct 19 09:47:19 1990
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\nIf I’m not mistaken, that same ad also touts Fantasia itself, saying that the
\nonly way to see *it* is in the theatres. (Of course, that could be a strange
\ndouble reverse twist kind of negative anticipation advertising at work.)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1321, from steven_edwards, 303 chars, Fri Oct 19 10:08:25 1990
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\nThe only Disney animated feature I have seen released on laserdisc is
\n_The Little Mermaid_, and this was seen in a demo room at a high-end video
\nstore. I’ve never seen any advertising for animation on videodisc, although
\nI’m sure there will be releases if there’s enough profit expectation.
\n— Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1322, from switch, 53 chars, Fri Oct 19 14:14:20 1990
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\n_Roger Rabbit_’s also out on laser, I believe.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1323, from elfhive, 292 chars, Fri Oct 19 18:45:05 1990
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\nThanks for this pointer. I found the address for the Whole Toon Catalogue
\nin \/sources #50 and called them last night. My order for “Allegro Non
\nTroppo” is on the way and they told me it was one of two remaining
\ncopies. That’s for anyone who might be sitting on the fence about buying
\na copy.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1324, from hmccracken, 191 chars, Fri Oct 19 18:57:49 1990
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\nSounds like an interesting ad. I find it hard to believe that Disney
\nwould bring *anything* out on laserdisc only, though — narrow marketing
\nof that sort just ain’t their style.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1325, from hmccracken, 227 chars, Fri Oct 19 18:58:54 1990
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\nGlad you grabbed a copy while you could! Remember to mention to Doug
\nRanney, the guy behind Whole Toon, that you heard about them through
\nBIX. (As a matter of fact, I have to nag Doug again to get on BIX
\nhimself.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1326, from elfhive, 64 chars, Fri Oct 19 19:08:07 1990
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\nI don’t know if it was Doug on the phone but I did mention BIX.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1327, from jstivaletta, 146 chars, Fri Oct 19 22:41:15 1990
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\nSo is a whole bunch of stuff from Disney on laserdisc – The Fleisher Folios,
\nDumbo, Pinocchio, Cinderella, Peter Pan, Bambi if I am not mistaken.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1328, from tom.white, 431 chars, Sat Oct 20 09:20:26 1990
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\nNonsense. Go into any Disney store and look at how many high-priced
\nlimited production items they have available. There was also a very
\nlimited edition of their “50 Years of Mickey and Donald” (that’s more
\nthe subject than the actual title) that was signed by Barks and
\nGottfrieson (sp?) that had MUCH more material than the unsigned edition,
\nincluding a 7″, 45rpm record. I think the press run of this edition
\nwas 250 copies.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1329, from hmccracken, 397 chars, Sat Oct 20 16:37:50 1990
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\nThe difference is that virtually all of those low-production, high-
\ncost products are manufactured by companies other than Disney itself.
\nThe studio has no problem with licensing others to do small-scale
\nstuff, but when it comes to the products it manufactures and markets
\nitself (videos, comics, some of the toys, and the films themselves),
\nit targets as broad an audience as possible.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1331, from hmccracken, 327 chars, Sat Oct 20 21:03:32 1990
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\nTITLE: Vinton and Raisins Suffer Forced Divorce
\nThis happened a couple of weeks ago or so, but I don’t believe it’s
\nbeen mentioned here yet: the California Raisin Board has fired the
\nWill Vinton Studio from the raisin account. Those Motown-singing
\nraisins will be animated by a studio I hadn’t heard of from now on.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1332, from billn, 49 chars, Sat Oct 20 23:50:05 1990
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\nYou heard this on the grapevien, of course. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1333, from richard.pini, 214 chars, Sun Oct 21 00:35:15 1990
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\nTITLE: Stalling
\nIt’s late so I can’t get to a music store, but… Wendy heard the Stalling
\nalbum today for the first time and was enthralled. She asked if he had ever
\ndone scoring for other than animation. Anyone?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1334, from bcapps, 536 chars, Sun Oct 21 01:03:46 1990
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\nIs that the “Mickey Mouse in Color” book you’re talking about? That was
\ndone by Another Rainbow (which is affiliated with the Gladstone label in
\ncomics, which use to do the Disney comics). I forget how many copies it
\nwas limited to (I dunno where mine is at the moment). Also, Disney took
\nover control of their comics, since they probably figured to market them
\nmore extensively. Gladstone, IMHO, was doing an EXCELLENT job. The
\ncomic dealer I frequent still has copies of the above book for $250, if
\nfolks are interested.<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1335, from bcapps, 152 chars, Sun Oct 21 01:05:48 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1331.
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\nI saw some blurb on it, that stated that the studio that will do it is made
\nup of former Vinton employees, who decided to strike out on their own.<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1336, from aturn, 36 chars, Sun Oct 21 01:37:17 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1332.
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\nYeah, but don’t whine about it! \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1337, from ewhac, 139 chars, Sun Oct 21 06:33:04 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1311.
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\nYeah, I don’t think it’s letterboxed; it looked like standard
\nAcademy ratio (4:3) which is — surprise! — identical to TV.<\/p>\n

Schwab<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1338, from davemackey, 162 chars, Sun Oct 21 06:59:02 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1333.
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\nApart from his work accompanying movies, I don’t think Carl Stalling
\never scored anything other than cartoons. What a life!
\nDave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1339, from davemackey, 902 chars, Sun Oct 21 08:37:44 1990
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\nTITLE: New videos
\nTurner Entertainment has issued four new volumes of Bugs Bunny cartoons
\nfrom its library: “Very Best Of Bugs,” “Bugs Bunny’s Greatest Hits,” “Bugs
\nBunny On Parade,” and “Bugs Bunny Festival Of Fun.” Some of the cartoons on
\nthese compilations have been previously released on some of the earliest
\nMGM\/UA “Kiddy-Oh!” plastic-encased tapes.
\nAlso, a company called Best Film and Video has released four new
\ncompilations of King Features Syndicate cartoons, produced by Al Brodax in
\nthe 1960’s: “Barney Google And Snuffy Smith,” “Beetle Bailey,” “Cool McCool,”
\nand “Krazy Kat.” Each of these volumes has an hour’s worth of cartoons for
\nabout ten dollars apiece. These are not to be confused with the volumes
\nKing Features previously licensed to New Age Video (those tapes had only
\nfive cartoons apiece). Credits sparse, quality of transfers okay.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1340, from hmccracken, 178 chars, Sun Oct 21 12:31:12 1990
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\nTITLE: Book Note
\nFor those who missed the hardcover edition, Chuck Jones’s _Chuck Amuck_,
\nan entertaining and informative autobiography, is now available in
\npaperback.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1341, from richard.pini, 234 chars, Sun Oct 21 15:17:13 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1334.
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\nJust as a publishorial aside, then AR did that Disney book, they discovered
\nthat the first binding run screwed up somehow; the books were very weak in
\nthe binding. AR redid the run. Must’ve cost them, but they consider quality
\nfirst.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1342, from davemackey, 503 chars, Sun Oct 21 19:50:27 1990
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\nTITLE: Liszt identification
\nThe brief Liszt piano solo on the Carl Stalling album, identified as being
\nfrom Production No. 1425, has been positively identified. It is from
\n“Wideo Wabbit,” from the scene where Elmer is pursuing Bugs through the halls
\nof the TV station. When he goes into the studio that the “Liverace” show
\nis produced, Liverace (Bugs in disguise) is playing that piece on the
\npiano. Tip of the hat to WWOR-TV for showing this cartoon this morning.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1343, from hkenner, 86 chars, Sun Oct 21 20:55:18 1990
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\nTITLE: Has any
\nafficionado made a list of the Wagner sources for What’s Opera, Doc?
\n?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1344, from hmccracken, 68 chars, Sun Oct 21 21:33:09 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1342.
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\nAnd a tip of the hat to you, Dave, for your sharp ears!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1345, from hmccracken, 109 chars, Sun Oct 21 21:33:53 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1343.
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\nI don’t recall seeing one anywhere, but I will check my Jones materials
\nfor anything in that area.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1346, from davemackey, 483 chars, Mon Oct 22 18:23:29 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1344.
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\nIt wasn’t sharp ears that led me to this discovery. I simply took a list
\nof Warner’s cartoons, figured out which one that might have had some Liszt
\nmusic in it fell around the 1425 mark, and came up with “Wideo Wabbit.”
\nSeeing the cartoon yesterday confirmed my detective work; the cue appeared
\non the film’s soundtrack and the number under the shield was indeed 1425.
\nMy only puzzlement is that Ford, Willner and Co. couldn’t figure this
\nout?
\n–Dave
\n\/<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1347, from hmccracken, 929 chars, Thu Oct 25 22:11:11 1990
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\nTITLE: I’ve asked Doug Ranney, the man behind the Whole Toon Catalog, to
\ndo a column in which he answers readers’ questions about animation
\nvideos and other merchandise for my magazine, _Animato_. Now, the problem
\nwith any column that relys on reader mail is that one generally doesn’t
\nhave any of that mail until the first column appears. So I thought I’d
\nask here if anyone has any good questions for our first column.
\nIs there an animated work that you’d like to know the availability of
\non videotape? Is there something you know isn’t available, and you
\nwonder why? Are you a Courageous Cat fan who’s looking desperately for
\nany toy or merchandise relating to the character and wants to know
\nwhat’s out there? These are the sorts of questions I’m thinking of.
\nI may also look through past postings here for material, asking for
\npermission, of course, to use any unanswered questions in the column.<\/p>\n

Thanks!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1348, from davemackey, 208 chars, Fri Oct 26 00:00:45 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1347.
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\nAnything I say in here is fair game for dissemination into Animato!,
\nincluding news items, random musings, and random acts of censorship.
\n(But you already knew that.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1349, from davemackey, 369 chars, Sat Oct 27 18:24:59 1990
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\nI’m wondering why the heck lots of video manufacturers insist on producing
\ntheir tapes in the LP (4-hr) mode for VHS, a format that many machines will
\neither not play, or play without access to special effects like still-frame
\nand shuttle search.
\nThose King Features tapes I mentioned not long ago are recorded in
\nthis mode.
\nDave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1350, from davemackey, 230 chars, Sat Oct 27 18:26:19 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1339.
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\nWhoops! Didn’t realize that beside the four KFS tapes mentioned, they have
\nalso released volumes of Popeye (as animated by Hanna-Barbera in the 70’s)
\nand Flash Gordon (the Filmation version).
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1351, from elfhive, 812 chars, Sat Oct 27 18:26:49 1990
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\nI just purchased the first volume of Internationl Tournee of Animation
\nvideos through Animation Magazine. I am interested in animation produced
\noutside the United States and would like to know if there are other
\ncollections of animation, say by country like Czechloslovakia, or by
\ntopic (?)? I’m also interested in getting a copy of Fantastic Planet
\nand I believe there was a “sequel” which ran in the theatres (might
\nhave been based on an Asimov story). Of course, some of this may be
\nanswered when I receive my Whole Toon Catalogue.<\/p>\n

On the U.S. side, I remember a long-running Saturday morning series
\ncalled “Ruff and Ready.” This must have come out of a major production
\nhouse but I have no idea which one. I never hear it referred to anymore
\nand wonder if it is available either in syndication or on video?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1352, from davemackey, 407 chars, Sat Oct 27 18:29:14 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1351.
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\n“Ruff and Ready” was the first production from Hanna-Barbera; there are
\na few (not many) episodes available on home video. Check your local
\nrental outlet or sell-through store.
\n(Incidentally, and this is only my opinion, the store with the best
\nselection of animation videos is the Suncoast Motion Picture Co., which
\nis owned and operated by Sam Goody record stores.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1353, from elfhive, 355 chars, Sat Oct 27 18:59:26 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1352.
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\nI suspected it was Hanna-Barbera. Thanks for the confirmation. I have
\nyet to discover the retail outlet with the best selection of animation
\nvideos in D.C. I will look for a Suncoast listing but even Sam Goody
\nis not very well represented in the D.C. area, nothing downtown that I
\nknow of.
\nI should probably check with ASIFA, the local animation society.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1354, from switch, 136 chars, Sat Oct 27 20:39:53 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1347.
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\n_Fantastic Planet_ and _Rock and Rule_ are the big two for me for
\nnow. I’m sure there are more somewhere in my cluttered mind…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1355, from switch, 244 chars, Sat Oct 27 20:42:41 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1351.
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\n_Light Years_ (originally _Gandahar_) was directed by Rene Laloux
\nof _Fantastic Planet_ fame. _Light Years_ was released in North
\nAmerica by Isaac Asimov (whatever _that_ means) edited and twenty
\nminutes shorter. But it ain’t a sequel.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1356, from jshook, 45 chars, Sun Oct 28 00:27:21 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1355.
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\nAnd it came and went so fast I missed it….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1357, from hmccracken, 254 chars, Sun Oct 28 01:14:05 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1351.
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\nI concur with your comments about Suncoast: they have an excellent selection
\nof animation and other interesting videotapes for sale. How big a chain
\nis it? The only Boston-area branch I know of is located at the Atrium
\nmall in Chestnut Hill.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1358, from davemackey, 391 chars, Sun Oct 28 06:31:34 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1357.
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\nThere are a lot of them in New Jersey; they just opened one in the new
\nmall in Freehold. I would suspect that eventually they will be more
\nprolific nationwide. They also have T-shirts, stuffed creatures, little
\nfigures, and other doodads. In fact, they’re the first place I’ve seen
\nthat has the new Tiny Toon Adventures miniatures produced by Applause.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1359, from richard.pini, 1038 chars, Mon Oct 29 09:52:33 1990
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\nTITLE: Buddy can you spare $1800.00?
\nJust got a postcard from Gifted Images Gallery in Rockville Center NY 11570
\n(phone 800-726-6708 or 516-536-6886) offering a ‘limited edition (of 500)
\nboxed portfolio of 50 images of conceptual art that provided the inspiration
\nfor this animated masterpiece’…meaning, of course, Fantasia. The 50 images
\nare on 22 sheets of 16×20 acid-free paper, done by offset lithography.
\n(And BTW, until I started typing this here, I thought there were 50 sheets,
\none image per sheet – chalk that up to skim-reading and sucker-ad-writing!)
\nThere are narrative bits, and the whole thing comes in a nice looking
\npresentation box. And the price is in the title of this post. Comes to
\na nubbin under $100. per sheet, which is, I guess, not at all outrageous
\nfor limited lithos. However, I *do* tend to buy those one at a time…
\nThen too, for anyone who’s *really* interested, I’ve rarely encountered
\na gallery of this type that wasn’t willing to dicker. They’ve usually got
\n10-20% tacked on to throw your way.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1360, from hmccracken, 221 chars, Mon Oct 29 18:14:28 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1359.
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\nI’d hold on to my eighteen hundred bucks, Richard: the drawings will
\nprobably show up in one Disney book or another, if they haven’t already.
\nThe reproduction may not be quite so spiffy, but it should suffice.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1361, from richard.pini, 122 chars, Tue Oct 30 14:49:11 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1360.
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\nOh hey! My intention from the start!! I just wanted to let eveyone know. My
\nmiddle name ain’t “Excess” all the time… \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1362, from ewhac, 114 chars, Sat Nov 3 03:36:51 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1349.
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\nI like LP mode myself. Of course, our VCR has a truly cruddy EP
\nmode, and SP doesn’t store enough.<\/p>\n

Schwab<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1363, from richard.pini, 279 chars, Sat Nov 3 11:57:03 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1362.
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\nFunny – if I look *real* close I can tell the difference between my machines’
\nLP and EP modes, but I have to be conscious of it. And I think I prefer the
\nLP over SP, there’s a lsight ‘graininess’ (for want of a better word) that
\nappears to my eye\/mind to make the image sharper.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1364, from hmccracken, 352 chars, Sat Nov 3 16:52:08 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1363.
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\nI can definitely discern the difference between SP and LP, but record
\nmost stuff on LP for economy’s sake. SLP I use only for long events
\nwhose picture and sound quality is unimportant (news coverage,etc.)<\/p>\n

Also, although Consumer Reports says otherwise, I find great difference
\nin picture and sound quality from one tape brand to another.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1365, from hmccracken, 939 chars, Sat Nov 3 22:01:46 1990
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\nTITLE: Patrick Brion’s _Tom and Jerry_ is now in bookstores, and
\nit’s a splendid book that should serve as a model to others on how
\nto present an animation book. Detailed information on every Tom
\nand Jerry book, good quality frame blow-ups by the dozen, and numerous
\nanimation drawings printed full-size on animation paper for a nifty
\nportfolion effect are among its features. The book was originally
\npublished in France — I have and love the French edition, and while
\nI have not made an exhausive comparison as of yet, the English
\nedition seems to be a faithful and complete translation in an
\nidentical format.<\/p>\n

Tom and Jerry and MGM cartoons in general have lagged behind Disney
\nand Warner in latter-day appreciation; this book should help them
\nget the attention they deserve. Brion has also written two fine books
\non Tex Avery — let’s hope that this one is successful enough that
\nthey get published in this country, too.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1366, from dopheim, 753 chars, Sun Nov 4 01:38:04 1990
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\nTITLE: The MPAA Cartoon classification system
\nCATEGORY. Cartoons that use the same production method or similar means
\nof creation are grouped into the same CATEGORY. This is the broadest
\nclassification of cartoons. Currently, the MPAA recognizes 4 categories
\nof cartoons: Animated,Live-Action,Combination, and Home-Brews.<\/p>\n

CLASS. Within each category, cartoons with the same production characteristics
\nare grouped into a CLASS. For example, within the ANIMATED category there are
\n4 classes: Pure animated, Live animated, Pure live, and intermittent animated.<\/p>\n

TYPE. When you refer to a specific cartoon, you are defining its TYPE. Here
\nare some cartoon types you may be familiar with:<\/p>\n

“CARE BEARS”
\n“VOLTRON”
\n“SIMPSONS”
\n“SNORKS”
\n“SMURFS”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1367, from jshook, 65 chars, Sun Nov 4 12:38:28 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1366.
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Fascinating.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1368, from richard.pini, 45 chars, Sun Nov 4 21:16:46 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1364.
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\nYou got better eyes than I do, gunga din! \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1369, from davemackey, 218 chars, Mon Nov 5 07:35:31 1990
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\nHaven’t bought the book yet, but flipped through it the other day. Loved
\nit, though the price scares me. I’m waiting for it to come into our
\nbeloved discount bookseller in this area.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1370, from hmccracken, 386 chars, Mon Nov 5 18:08:01 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1368.
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\nMy grandfather noted that as each step forward was made in audio technology,
\nhe suddenly discovered that the prior technology, which he had thought
\nwas a good quality reproduction method, was awful. The theory is at least
\nas equally applicable to video, which is why I shy away from watching
\nlaserdisc and other media which will remind me how poor my many LP
\nvideotapes are.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1371, from davemackey, 322 chars, Mon Nov 5 18:42:50 1990
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\nTITLE: I don’t know if this has been discussed…
\n… but a recent visit to my local bookstore has revealed the paperback
\nreissue of “Animation From Script To Screen,” an instructional text written
\nby one of the all-time masters of the craft, Shamus Culhane. List price is
\n$12.95.
\nDave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1372, from switch, 121 chars, Mon Nov 5 22:03:31 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1370.
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\nLucky you. It’s part of my _job_ to play with more audiovisual
\nequipment than I could possibly afford.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1373, from hmccracken, 108 chars, Mon Nov 5 23:31:44 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1371.
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\n…And a very good book it is, too. Nice to see it sold well enough
\nto make a paperback edition.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1374, from ewhac, 84 chars, Tue Nov 6 02:09:39 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1371.
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\nThat text will probably become required reading here in the office…<\/p>\n

Schwab<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1376, from hmccracken, 248 chars, Wed Nov 7 21:28:22 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1352.
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\nOddly enough, days after I said that there weren’t many Suncoast video
\nstores in this area, I visited the local mall and found one about to
\nopen. It’s next door to a Record Town — and aren’t they another
\npart of the Sam Goody empire?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1377, from davemackey, 376 chars, Thu Nov 8 06:51:06 1990
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\nNo. Record Town is owned by a company called Trans World; my brother, who
\nis a store manager in the Long Island-based Record World\/Square Circle
\nchain, learned the black art of selling records and tapes in a Record Town
\nstore — then joined Record World, which was in the same mall, working
\nbriefly in both stores at the same time!
\nDave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1378, from hmccracken, 115 chars, Thu Nov 8 17:58:21 1990
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\nHmmm…Doesn’t Goody also go by some other name with “Record” in its
\nname? Or at least did at one time?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1379, from morganfox, 207 chars, Thu Nov 8 21:48:44 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1376.
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\nHarry, I was at the Cambridge Galleria today an I noted that they have a
\nOPEN Suncoast store there. But compare prices. The Sam Goody a few stores
\ndown carries videos too and there are some price undercuts.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1380, from switch, 146 chars, Fri Nov 9 01:28:17 1990
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\nTITLE: Digests
\nInstalled rec.arts.anime digest #30. We’re pretty up-to-date. There’s
\nan update on Bob Niland’s laservideo texts in there.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1381, from hmccracken, 817 chars, Sat Nov 10 20:22:43 1990
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\nTITLE: Don’t forget…
\nDisney’s new animated feature, _The Rescuers Down Under_, opens next
\nFriday. As you may be able to tell by the title, it’s an Australian-
\nset sequel to Disney’s 1977 film _The Rescuers_. The new film is
\nthe first to be entirely inked and colored using Disney’s new, very
\nsophisticated computer system, and what I’ve seen has been quite
\nimpressive.<\/p>\n

The plan has been to release a new short subject, _The Prince and the
\nPauper_, along with the feature, but none of the many TV ads I’ve seen
\nfor _Rescuers_ has mentioned _P&P_. It’s possible that Disney has come
\nto the decision that it’s better to spice up a reissue or something
\nnon-animated with _P&P_ (which stars Mickey Mouse and friends and which
\nwas produced at the animation studio at Disney World). We’ll see soon
\nenough.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1382, from switch, 125 chars, Sat Nov 10 21:26:22 1990
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\nWhen I caught _Fantasia_ on Wednesday, the trailer for _Rescuers
\nDown Under_ said _P&P_ was going to be shown with it.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1383, from hmccracken, 110 chars, Sat Nov 10 21:28:12 1990
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\nGoody! Two new Disney animated films on one day — wonder when the last
\ntime *that* happened was?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1384, from loreli, 124 chars, Sat Nov 10 23:46:03 1990
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\nIn the theatre advertisement for _The Rescuers Down Under_, they
\nmentioned _The Prince And The Pauper_ would also be shown.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1385, from davemackey, 162 chars, Sun Nov 11 08:58:49 1990
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\nThe only other operating monicker I can remember for Sam Goody was
\nLicorice Pizza, which I believe was a west coast chain.
\nDave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1386, from davemackey, 219 chars, Sun Nov 11 08:59:57 1990
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\nOh, P&P has been mentioned in some of the spots. They’re calling it
\nMickey’s first feature in ten years. (I think the last one he did was
\nthe timeless classic, “Mickey Mouse Disco.”
\nDave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1387, from hmccracken, 92 chars, Sun Nov 11 11:17:00 1990
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\nI could swear that I’ve seen ads for “Sam Goody Record Town,” but I
\nmay be wrong.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1388, from hmccracken, 123 chars, Sun Nov 11 11:18:02 1990
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\nMickey’s last theatrical film actually came out a scant seven years ago;
\nit was Mickey’s Christmas Carol (1983).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1389, from davemackey, 79 chars, Sun Nov 11 15:25:20 1990
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\n(shaking his head) How could I have forgotten? I’m going to go lie down now…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1390, from hmccracken, 591 chars, Sun Nov 11 19:24:08 1990
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\nDon’t worry, Dave, it wasn’t that memorable a film. I saw the ad for
\n_Prince and the Pauper_ today, and it calls it Mickey’s first film
\nin “almost a decade.” For some reason, they like to dwell on the fact
\nthat Mickey’s career as a film star has been very checkered for the
\nlast forty years: they stressed that _Mickey’s Christmas Carol_ was
\nhis first flick in thirty years.<\/p>\n

_P&P_ was directed by George Scribner, who also did the quite-nice
\n(I thought) _Oliver & Company_ for Disney. There’s a handsome
\ncomic-book adaptation of it out now, too. (_P&P_ I mean, not
\n_Oliver_.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1391, from davemackey, 145 chars, Sun Nov 11 23:57:11 1990
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\nThe “Prince And The Pauper” one shot is quite nicely drawn, and the
\ncoloring has that storybook quality. I hope the film does the comic
\njustice.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1392, from davemackey, 452 chars, Mon Nov 12 00:04:37 1990
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\nTITLE: Another Woody?
\nI was looking back through some old videotapes and I found the commercial
\nthat was done a few years ago for that dinosaur phone line that was
\nnarrated by Woody Woodpecker. We played it over several times and came to
\nthe conclusion that instead of Grace Stafford, it was Nancy Cartwright
\ndoing the voice, and it sounded somewhat like Bart Simpson on helium.
\nCan anyone corroborate this?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1393, from hmccracken, 550 chars, Mon Nov 12 23:22:17 1990
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\nTITLE: Another animation book is out…
\n_Cartoon Superstars_, by John Cawley and Jim Korkis, and published by
\nPioneer Press (aka Hal Schuster). It’s an encyclopedia of favorite
\ncartoon characters, spiced up with a wide variety of illustrations.
\nDon’t be fooled by its somewhat ugly layout (typical of Schuster publications);
\nthere’s a lot of good information to be found in the book. John and Jim
\nquite intentionally aim the book at the neophyte or not-terribly-knowledgable
\nanimation fan, and with that in mind, they’ve done a good job.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1394, from richard.pini, 46 chars, Tue Nov 13 12:07:00 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1393.
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\nHal Schuster.<\/p>\n

::sound FX of gritting teeth::<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1395, from rlcarr, 200 chars, Mon Nov 19 01:32:37 1990
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\nTITLE: Jittlov….
\nAny fans of Mike “The Wizard of Speed and Time” Jittlov out there?<\/p>\n

Man, it’s great to be able to have a legitamate VHS copy of
\nmost\/all of his shorts – courtesy FAnimato!<\/p>\n

— Rich<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1396, from elfhive, 249 chars, Mon Nov 19 14:22:30 1990
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\nSaw the latest rendition of the film at the Smithsonian about four months
\nago. It is delightful and it’s too bad he isn’t working on the CBS
\nproduction of _The Flash_, I think his sense of humor and technical
\nprowess would be an asset to that show.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1397, from hmccracken, 276 chars, Mon Nov 19 18:26:01 1990
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\nWell, I edit a magazine called _Animato_, which should let you know
\nhow *I* feel about Jittlov. (Okay, okay, I didn’t name the magazine, and
\nwe cover animation of all sorts. But I do like his stuff — especially
\n_Animato_ itself.)<\/p>\n

What, by the way, is FANimato?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1398, from rlcarr, 554 chars, Mon Nov 19 19:27:26 1990
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\nFAnimato! is an (the?) official Mike Jittlov fan club.
\nIf you send me BIXmail, I’ll tell you more (other than being a member,
\nI;m not affiliated with FAnimato!, but I have no idea what BIX’s
\npolicies are regarding telling people publicly about clubs’ offerings,
\naddresses, dues, etc.).<\/p>\n

And yes – I love _Animato_ (the short). At his talks at MIT in Feb,
\nJittlov said that it originally started life as a commercial for a local clothing
\nstore chain. However, he soon got bored with it and ended up mutating it
\ninto what we know and love…<\/p>\n

— Rich<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1399, from hmccracken, 296 chars, Mon Nov 19 20:53:20 1990
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\nTITLE: Check out today’s _Wall Street Journal_ for an interesting article
\non an interesting person — Sherri Stoner, who both modeled for Ariel
\nin _The Little Mermaid (and now for Belle, in the upcoming _Beauty and
\nthe Beast_), and writes wonderful episodes of _Tiny Toon Adventures_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1400, from hmccracken, 141 chars, Mon Nov 19 20:54:31 1990
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\nGo ahead and tell us about FANimato right out here in the open, Rich;
\nyou’d definitely be doing us a public service by doing so.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1401, from davemackey, 195 chars, Mon Nov 19 21:12:38 1990
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\nWall Street Journal? Did someone get ahold of Sherri’s portfolio? Am curious
\nas to why. A little too late to find one of these at this hour of the evening
\n…
\nDave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1402, from hmccracken, 459 chars, Mon Nov 19 22:07:50 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1401.
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\nDave, the _Wall Street Journal_ — despite what their ads say about being
\n“Quicker, tougher, smarter,” is full of great little articles on subjects
\nthat have nothing to do with business. Sherri showed up on the arts page,
\nbut the whole darn paper is rife with funny little stories sometimes.
\nThere’s always at least one light piece on the front page and one on
\nthe front of the marketing section. I’ll see if the copy at work got
\nthrown out yet.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1403, from grekel, 563 chars, Mon Nov 19 22:43:26 1990
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\nI found out about “The Wizard…” release here on BIX, and hounded the
\nrental stores til it showed up. I had remembered the Disney “Wizard” short,
\nand thought the film was a gas! In fact, has anyone else still-framed the
\nsequence of speed moves on scenic stills near the end of the movie?
\nEven though each still is on screen for a few frames, each one has a
\nline of text carefully hidden in it. The lines run together to form a sort
\nof “fortune cookie” that’s very Jittlov-ian. \ud83d\ude42
\n(Had to dub the VHS to 1″ tape to get clear enough still frames, too…)<\/p>\n

greg<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1404, from richard.pini, 235 chars, Mon Nov 19 23:35:34 1990
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\nDefinitely a fan here! Got to sit and talk with the gentleman at Rovacon
\nback in October, we traded Hollywood horror stories, and I told him he ever
\nwrites a “Making of…” type of book he’s got a publisher. Or maybe a
\n“Wizard” comic.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1405, from rlcarr, 808 chars, Tue Nov 20 00:48:05 1990
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\nYup, I freeze-framed the stuff.
\nIn fact, I even wrote it all down (well, as much as I could make out).
\nThere’s stuff hidden all through the movie..
\nWhen the IRS agent tries to steal the bike, the sparks form a profile,
\nand the bike rack spells out a message.<\/p>\n

When they are filmin the wall-run scene, on two jups there are flashes of light under
\nMike’s feet – theres stuff written there.<\/p>\n

During the “Wizard run” sequence, right after he spins the windmills, theres
\na montage of clocks that say “Use your time wisely.”<\/p>\n

Right after he leaves Vegas, there’s a montage that has the Earth at the center of each frame – there’s
\na message there, too.<\/p>\n

When he blows away that walled square in China, there’s a hidden message…<\/p>\n

Also, the _Animato_ excerpt and _Time Tripper_ have sublims in them, too.<\/p>\n

— Rich<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1406, from rlcarr, 781 chars, Tue Nov 20 01:01:30 1990
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\nok – if you say so….<\/p>\n

FAnimato!
\n18 Dix Road
\nMaynard, MA 01754<\/p>\n

person in charge is James S. Belfiore, who is an Arisia ’91 organizer<\/p>\n

Dues are $10, $5 for renewals. THere is a quarterly newsletter.<\/p>\n

FAnimato! is distributing copies of a compilation tape that Jittlov
\ngave them in Nov ’89.<\/p>\n

It costs
\n(a) blank VHS tape + $2.40, or
\n(b) $12.40
\naccording to the flyer I got with my copy, it is OK for people
\nto make further copies of the tape, as long as they don’t charge
\nbeyond cost.<\/p>\n

contents:
\nGood Grief
\nThe Interview
\nThe Wizard of Speed and Time (the short)
\nAdventures of Lat & Long
\nTurtle Joak (sic)
\nSwing Shift
\nAnimato
\nTime Tripper
\nThe Collector
\nMouse Mania<\/p>\n

All the shorts seem to be to their original music (so you Animato
\nfans get to hear Petula Clark again \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

— Rich<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1407, from richard.pini, 316 chars, Tue Nov 20 09:47:04 1990
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\nJittlov is very generous about such things, though with respect to “WoS&T”
\nthe movie, his largesse is motivated at least in part by a desire for the
\nproducer *not* to make any money from video sales, since Mike gets none of
\nthat. So he’s gone on record as advising people to rent the tape and make
\ntheir own copies.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1408, from rlcarr, 855 chars, Tue Nov 20 22:28:48 1990
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\nTrue, though at his MIT talk he was a teensy bit subtle \ud83d\ude42
\nSomething like “Well, the tape costs $89.95, an outrageous sum
\nof money. However, it’s NOT COPYGUARDED.”<\/p>\n

To Jittlov’s credit, he’s not in it for the money – I know people who have
\nsent him checks in lieu of buying the movie (i.e. to give Mike the money instead of
\nthe producer) and he’s voided them out (usually with some nice handwriting,
\nWizard stamps, and stars) and returned them. Of course, I’m sure that’s
\nalso somewhat motivated by the legal overtones of the whole thing.<\/p>\n

Oh yeah, one of the things Jittlov said at the talk was that the producer (
\nwho played the evil producer in the movie) made a deal behind Jittlov’s back
\nwith PepsiCo for product placement. However, Jittlov was able to use his
\npower as director and you’ll only see Pepsi in scenes with the bad guys.<\/p>\n

— Rich<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1409, from davemackey, 1503 chars, Tue Nov 20 23:34:30 1990
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\nTITLE: New series of videos
\nJust when you think every possible cartoon series known to man
\nhas been released to home video, along comes another one. Our
\nfriends at United American Video (makers of the 6-hour wonder
\ntape) have come out with a set of 9 tapes called “Underdog Super
\nSeries.” The cartoons on each tape are representative of the
\ntotal output of the Total Television\/Gamma studio from 1961 to
\n1969, with episodes from all of its series on each tape.
\nThe series, in rough chronological order, are “The King and
\nOdie,” “Tooter Turtle,” “The Hunter,” “Tennessee Tuxedo,”
\n“Klondike Kat,” “Underdog,” “The World Of Commander McBragg,” and
\n“Go Go Gophers.”
\nWhile I find the later series tiresome, I really enjoy some
\nof the earlier work, with contributions from some great voice
\ntalent such as Allen Swift, Jackson Beck, and Kenny Delmar (who
\nas Senator Claghorn was partial inspiration for the creation of
\nFoghorn Leghorn; here he plays a character of similar
\ntemperament, The Hunter). Some of the music is pretty chintzy,
\nbut there’s some familiar stock pieces by Winston Sharples in
\nsome of the shows. The animation: nothing to write home about,
\nand apparently nothing the animators wanted to put their names
\non — but some of the earliest has that 50’s TV-commercial feel
\nto it.
\nAnd who can forget Wally Cox as Underdog? To me, his role as
\nthe loveable shoeshine boy turned dog hero overshadowed every
\nother aspect of his career, from Mr. Peepers to Hollywood
\nSquares.
\nTINAR
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1410, from cmattern, 150 chars, Tue Nov 20 23:59:27 1990
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\nAh yes….”Speed of lightning, power of thunder\/Fighting all who rob or plunder….”<\/p>\n

Them was the days…
\nChris<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1411, from steven_edwards, 1145 chars, Wed Nov 21 13:42:17 1990
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\nThat was an interesting article in the WSJ, one of many that seem to
\nbe run now that the _Journal_ has expanded into into a three section paper.
\nA definite improvement, but I still don’t think the WSJ is worth 50 cents (as
\nis the _New York Times_), let alone the 75 cents it’s scheduled to become
\nsometime next year.
\nThe part about the Disney animators requiring live demonstrations of
\nunderwater hair motion is certainly quite believable. A satisfactory computer
\ntreatment of multiple flexible objects undergoing hydrodynamic deformation is
\nstill far from reality.
\nI’m not sure about the idea of using the same model for _Beauty and the
\nBeast_. Although Ariel the Mermaid was kind of cute, I would hope Disney is
\ncareful about too much similarity among its characters.
\nThe one part of the article I didn’t understand was the reference to
\nseveral sketches of Sherri in “various stages of mermaidenly undress”. I can
\nonly think of two stages of said undress, only one of which saw most of the
\nscreen time in _The Little Mermaid_. Perhaps those clippings from the cutting
\nroom floor are more interesting than commonly suspected. — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1412, from richard.pini, 495 chars, Wed Nov 21 17:37:15 1990
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\nTITLE: JOhnston & Thomas in NY
\nJust got a call from the Circle Gallery (they’re at 7th Avenue and about
\n50th Street – I don’t have the card here, but NYCity information, area
\ncode 212, will get the info for you) letting me know that Ollie Johnston
\nand Frank Thomas will be there on Nov. 27th in connection with the release
\nof the Bambi book. Good opportunity for anyone in the area to meet them,
\nget the book signed.<\/p>\n

Of course, I will be *way* out of town that night…IhateitIhateitIhateit…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1413, from hmccracken, 289 chars, Wed Nov 21 17:45:21 1990
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\nI don’t have the article at hand, but I believe the sketches they referred
\nto were gag sketches done by animators for the express purpose of hanging
\nup. Animation studios are filled to the rafter with such sketches, many
\nof which are unprintable and even unmentionable-on-BIX.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1414, from davemackey, 184 chars, Wed Nov 21 17:55:41 1990
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\nTITLE: Happy turkey day
\nI want to take this opportunity to wish one and all who visit
\nthe animation conference a very happy Thanksgiving day.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1415, from steven_edwards, 305 chars, Wed Nov 21 17:58:45 1990
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\nMaybe an occasional gag sketch escapes; this could have been the cause
\nof the backround tower scene on the video cover art and movie poster for _The
\nLittle Mermaid_.
\nI’d wager that some of those gag sketches could fetch a good price if
\nsome of the artists would take the risk of selling them. — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1416, from hmccracken, 153 chars, Wed Nov 21 18:54:48 1990
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\nI’ve seen some sketches from the golden age (_Snow White_ era) of Disney
\nthat, I’ll wager, Disney would *not* like having on the open market.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1417, from hmccracken, 317 chars, Wed Nov 21 18:56:29 1990
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\nDefinitely — happy Thanksgiving, everybody!<\/p>\n

I’d suggest watching Thanksgiving cartoons, but there aren’t many.
\nWarner’s made _Tom Turk and Daffy_ and at least one pilgrim-themed
\nshort; MGM made something about harmonica-playing turkeys whose name
\nescapes me at the moment. And that’s all I can think of.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1418, from hmccracken, 753 chars, Wed Nov 21 19:00:54 1990
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\nThere was a time in my life, when I was very, very young, when Underdog was
\nmy favorite cartoon character. Which probably explains why I was most
\nlikely the only lad in America to own a dog named after an Underdog villain:
\nSimon (Bar Sinister) was a faithful companion for a decade.<\/p>\n

Wally Cox was an interesting guy. He was a roommate and close friend of
\nMarlon Brando, and wrote at least two funny books — _Ralph Makes Good_
\nand _My Life as a Small Boy_ (the latter is a minor classic). While I’ve
\nonly seen one episode of _Mr. Peepers_, any show that brought us both
\nWally Cox and Tony Randall has a lot going for it; to bring the conversation
\nback around to animation, the show was created by a former animator,
\nDisney’s David Swift.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1419, from switch, 97 chars, Thu Nov 22 00:15:19 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1413.
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\nHeck, they’re all over the place in our animation classes. We’re
\nrepressed, we are. Yup.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1420, from davemackey, 212 chars, Fri Nov 23 02:22:01 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1412.
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\nGee, Richard, this makes, if my addition is correct, TWO times
\nthat you’ve been unable to visit with Frank and Ollie! Well, you
\ncertainly have my sympathies on this one.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1421, from davemackey, 543 chars, Fri Nov 23 19:28:42 1990
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\nThanksgiving cartoons: There are more than a few, some of which
\nwere on TNT today.<\/p>\n

Besides “Tom Turk and Daffy,” Warner’s had a similar cartoon with
\nDaffy called “Holiday For Drumsticks” as well as the all-star
\nextravaganza “The Hardship Of Miles Standish.”<\/p>\n

Paramount had “Pilgrim Popeye” and “Voice Of The Turkey” which
\nwas directed by Vlad Tytla.<\/p>\n

MGM had “Tom Turkey and his Harmonica Humdingers” and “Jerky
\nTurkey.”<\/p>\n

Not claiming to be an all-inclusive list but there’s some white
\nmeat there.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1422, from hmccracken, 423 chars, Fri Nov 23 19:29:16 1990
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\nTITLE: I am indebted to my sister (a far hipper person than I) for
\nthe news that the current issue of _Details_ magazine has a fairly
\nlengthy article on Jeff Bergman and the intrigue involved in recasting
\nBugs Bunny’s voice after Mel Blanc’s death (although I believe that
\nthere are several layers of the story that the article *doesn’t*
\ncover). Bergman does not come off as a particularly lovable human
\nbeing.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1423, from hmccracken, 213 chars, Fri Nov 23 19:31:43 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1422.
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\n_Jerky Turkey_! How culd I forget that one? There are also a few
\nmade-for-TV ones, including _A Charlie Brown Christmas_ (one of the
\nlast first-rate Peanuts specials) and _The Mouse on the Mayflower_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1424, from hmccracken, 338 chars, Fri Nov 23 22:15:13 1990
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\nTITLE: Good animation is where you find it…
\nCheck out the current _Masterpiece Theater_ series, “Jeeves and Wooster,”
\nand you’ll find not only some quite-good adaptations of P.G. Wodehouse’s
\nstories (and Wodehouse is a tough writer to dramatize), but also a
\nnifty animated title sequence by the British studio Animation City.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1425, from grekel, 254 chars, Sun Nov 25 10:48:16 1990
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\nMan! I gotta get the 1″ out again!
\nAnybody care to speculate on Jittlov’s future? Will he “make the big time”
\nand go Hollywood (doubtful with the opinions expressed in TWoSaT), or will
\nhe crank out another feature in, say, another 20 years or so?<\/p>\n

greg<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1426, from hkenner, 321 chars, Sun Nov 25 22:22:59 1990
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\nTITLE: Help Wanted
\nIn the 40’s-50’s theaters took cartoons because they came packaged
\nwith the rest of the program. If Warner owned a theater chain that
\ntook a Warner feature, it got a Warner cartoon.<\/p>\n

That is a simplistic account. I need something more detailed &
\nreliable. Can someone point me to a source?<\/p>\n

–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1427, from davemackey, 445 chars, Mon Nov 26 07:08:40 1990
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\nHugh–
\nThat was true to a certain point. It was determined, sometime
\nin the 50’s, that the fact that film studios produced,
\ndistributed, and showed movies constituted an illegal trust, and
\nthe film studios were forced to sell off their theatre chains.
\nAny library having back issues of Variety or other movie
\nindustry trade magazines can give you a little more detail on
\nexactly when this came about.
\nDave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1428, from hkenner, 91 chars, Mon Nov 26 08:18:48 1990
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\nBut no book on the studio system? Back issues of Variety take a
\n*lot* of turning through.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1429, from hmccracken, 289 chars, Mon Nov 26 18:18:35 1990
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\nI will have to do a bit more research on this, but there is a reasonably-
\ncurrent book out called _The Genius of the Studio System_, or something
\nsimilar, that may be what you’re looking for, Hugh. (Come to think of it,
\nI think the title is simply _The Genius of the System_.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1430, from hmccracken, 294 chars, Mon Nov 26 22:30:45 1990
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\nTITLE: Dave Mackey, and perhaps others, will be glad to hear that
\nHamilton Projects, a unit of Great American Communications Co.,
\nhas acquired the licensing rights to the old _Batfink_ TV cartoon
\nseries. Look for a major (?!) licensing push to be made with the
\ncharacter next year.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1431, from davemackey, 446 chars, Tue Nov 27 02:30:47 1990
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\nBoy, did that wake me up. This is indeed good news, and it’s
\nabout time.
\nI still consider the lack of attention accorded the Batfink
\ncartoons in the Batmania of 1989 a little strange. Hopefully with
\nthis new licensing push the shorts will be seen again in one
\nmedium or another.
\nDo you know if this company has picked up any of the other
\nHal Seeger cartoon series (Milton The Monster, et. al.)?
\nDave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1432, from hmccracken, 31 chars, Tue Nov 27 18:51:55 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1431.
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\nNot that I know of.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1433, from hmccracken, 581 chars, Tue Nov 27 21:21:52 1990
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\nTITLE: Some of you may be readers of _StoryboarD_, a magazine about
\nDisney animation, theme parks, and related enterprises that has not
\npublished any issues lately. The magazine is back under the revised
\ntitle of _Storyboard: the Art of Laughter: The Journal of Animation\\
\nArt_. The emphasis is still on Disney, but the coverage has broadened
\nto include such features as an interview with Walter Lantz. I found
\nthe issue at my local B. Dalton’s — it’s the first issue of the magazine
\nto have showed up there — so it should be readily available if you’re
\ninterested.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1434, from hmccracken, 324 chars, Wed Nov 28 23:41:36 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1429.
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\nThe book in question is indeed called _The Genius of the System_; it’s
\nby one Thomas Schatz and is available in a Pantheon paperback. It is
\nprimarily about the moviemaking process itself in Tinseltown’s Golden
\nAge, but does seem to have some stuff on the studios’ financial relation-
\nship to the theater chains.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1435, from addman, 1525 chars, Sun Dec 2 14:55:45 1990
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\nTITLE: Best Platform
\nI have a question for some of you and if this isn’t the place for this, could
\nyou please direct me to the right place.<\/p>\n

I will be doing a seminar\/presentation in May where I need to show the power
\nof multimedia in litigation. What I want to do is show how one can take the
\nvery boring explanations found in reports and stick them onto videotape with
\nsome animation, or perhaps moving text and sliding pictures is a better
\nexplanation. There have been a few cases where I could have used these
\ntechniques to explain easily confused accounting principles that the courts
\nneed for their judgements.<\/p>\n

I have an IBM AT (9 mhz), 120 meg HD, 1.5 meg Ram, and HP Laserjet II. I also
\nhave an Amiga 500 with 2 floppies and one meg of ram. I own no multimedia or
\ndrawing softwart. I intend to sell the AT and get a 386-25 clone. I realize
\nI’ll need to make an investment in software and probably some hardware. If I
\nuse the Amiga, I’d probably need a lot more hardware.<\/p>\n

I have **NO** confidence in Commodore to make the Amiga a lasting platform so
\nI am hesitant to invest much money in it, not to mention time. I’ve heard
\nthe Amiga has great capabilities in this area, but I also know MSDOS is
\nripping the Amiga and the Mac apart in all areas of software development.<\/p>\n

I don’t know what is available for the MSDOS computers, except for Microsoft
\nPowerpoint and AutoDesk Animator. Can any of you give me some advice as
\nto what I’d need for the IBM to make a go of this project.<\/p>\n

Thanks in advance,<\/p>\n

Dennis<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1436, from davemackey, 657 chars, Sun Dec 2 17:30:43 1990
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\nTITLE: Chimpunk records back in print
\nCaptiol Records has released nearly all the late-50’s\/early 60’s
\nChipmunk albums on cassette and CD. Titles include “The Alvin
\nShow,” “Chipmunks A-Go-Go,” “The Chipmunks Sing The Beatles,” and
\nthe two volumes of “Christmas With The Chipmunks.” (RCA’s album
\n“A Chipmunk Christmas” is still unavailable.”) All feature the
\nlate Ross Bagdasarian Sr. (stage name David Seville) as the
\nChipmunks.
\nCapitol has also released a new album on Chimpunk music from
\nthe most recent TV series produced by Ross Bagdasarian Jr. and
\nJanice Karman, this one featuring vocals by the Chipettes.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1437, from hmccracken, 1349 chars, Sun Dec 2 18:29:38 1990
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\nDennis, there are probably others more capable of discussing this here
\nthan me, but here are some opinions. While Commodore’s state of health
\nis a debatable topic, I suppose, there is an awful lot of presentation-
\nrelated software and hardware available at inexpensive prices. If cost
\nis a factor you may actually do better by expanding your Amiga to do
\nthe job (since the Amiga outputs video automatically, you will have less
\nneed for add-ons with the Amiga than with the PC or a Mac). Some of
\nthe software that might prove useful to you for the Amiga includes
\nAmigaVision (hypermedia\/authoring software), DPaint III (paint and animation —
\nnot unlike Autodesk Animator), VideoTitler, MovieSetter (easy animation),
\nand many other similar or related packages. There is also the Video
\nToaster, a hardware\/software combination that’s extremely powerful for
\nhypermedia, animation, and titling (but needs an Amiga 2000).<\/p>\n

While there is certainly some good graphics software available for the
\nIBM, some of which is more specifically for business presentation than
\nthe Amiga stuff, there aren’t all that many packages, and getting it onto
\nvideo is somewhat more expensive and complicated than with the Amiga.
\nThe Macintosh actually has more good graphics software than IBM,
\nincluding a fine multimedia package called MacroMind Director.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1438, from elfhive, 765 chars, Sun Dec 2 21:39:40 1990
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\nI know that DPaint II Enhanced for MS-DOS doesn’t have the capabilities
\nof the software available on the Amiga and I have never seen the
\nother programs Hugh mentions in MS-DOS. Amiga is the graphics designer
\ncomputer of choice as far as I can tell. MS-DOS software also seems to
\nneed a lot of extended memory, so your 386-25 purchase should be made
\ncarefully to make sure you can load lots of stuff above 640K. If I
\nunderstand correctly you don’t need to worry about that with the high
\nend Amiga computers.<\/p>\n

On the other hand, if you are demonstrating graphics capability in
\nareas such as litigation, I would assume that most businesses are
\nin the MS-DOS environment so I don’t know how productive it would be
\nto show capabilities that are only available on Amiga.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1439, from rjenks, 1740 chars, Mon Dec 3 01:04:45 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1435.
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\nYou don’t need a lot more hardware on the amiga. With AmigaVision and your
\ncurrent A500 you can do a lot more than you think. IBM (and clones) fatal
\nflaw is Graphics Speed! AutoDesk animator is limited and Hard to use.
\nAmigaVision is simplistic with a capitol S. You would need other support
\nprograms to create pictures and anims for AmigaVision, but there is an
\nabundance of software packages to do just that. DeluxePaint3, TurboSilver,
\nSculpt4D, and many others will do animation. DeluxePaint3, DigiPaint,
\nPhotonPaint, Deluxe PhotoLab, and The Art Department will do your pictures
\nfor you.
\nHow are you going to record anims and Images off the IBM? The cheapest way
\nis to point a Video Camera at the screen. The only other ways cost BIG
\nBUCKS and usualy only support CGA or EGA graphics. On the Amiga 500 you can
\nbuy an RF modulator for around $35 to record directly to video tape or you
\ncan buy a Gen-Lock for as low as $135 and overlay your computer pictures,
\nanimation, etc… over another video signal. Plus you get the Amiga’s great
\nHAM 4096 colors to Boot! The cheapest IBM EGA genlock I’ve seen was around
\n$1500! If you want to do Video Productions or Multimedia the Amiga is the
\ncheapest and the BEST way to do it! The amiga was developed with NTSC and
\nPAL video standards in mind. Hec, the Amiga 1000 came with a composite video
\noutput.
\nAn easy way to compare graphic speeds between the IBM and Amiga is to compare
\nredaw speed in MS windows 3.0 on a 286 10mhz and workbench 1.3 on an Amiga
\n500 at 10mhz. Workbench will do much faster screen redraws the the IBM!
\nConsider the fact that MS windows is written by the same people that wrote
\nMS dos and is optimized to run as fast as the graphics card will go.<\/p>\n

Hope it helps.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1440, from rjenks, 99 chars, Mon Dec 3 01:24:19 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1435.
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\nFor more info on Multimedia read:<\/p>\n

amiga.dev\/market.info #7876
\nTITLE: MS-DOS multimedia is pitiful<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1441, from addman, 521 chars, Mon Dec 3 02:45:52 1990
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\nHarry,<\/p>\n

I know the Amiga is a decent platfrom for this, I just don’t feel safe
\ninvesting time and money into it. I assumed AutoDesk Animator was all I
\nneeded but I’ll have to check more into that. Plus all the documents
\nand
\nspreadsheet proformas I have are on Excel and WordPerfect. I’d never want
\nto have to tie myself up utilizing Amiga spreadsheet or wordprocessing
\nprograms and this project is just a beginning. I’d really rather stay with
\nand getting tied to Commodore
\nis something nobody should have to do!!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1442, from addman, 145 chars, Mon Dec 3 02:48:25 1990
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\nAlso, I may need to use a portable or a laptop with this some day. I think
\nthe 640k problem is not something that’s very troublesome nowadays.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1443, from elfhive, 306 chars, Mon Dec 3 10:16:07 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1442.
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\nUnfortunately, it is for me. I’m running my Zenith Supersport 286 as my
\ndesk top and it sure doesn’t like DPaint II Enhanced. Also, in reading
\nabout the various architectures that allow easy access to extended
\nmemory in the 386’s, I’ve learned that you can buy certain clones that
\nhave proven troublesome.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1444, from hmccracken, 866 chars, Mon Dec 3 18:29:43 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1441.
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\nWhile I consider this conference to be a pleasant oasis, far from
\nthe IBM vs. Mac vs. Commodore vs. Whoever wars :-), I will say that
\nI think the Amiga is nowhere near being on its deathbed — partially
\nbecause of all the great graphics and multimedia software available for
\nit. I think we will have Amigas, in some form, with us for many years
\nto come.<\/p>\n

Your problem with Amiga business software, hjowever, may be more of a
\nreason not to use the Amiga,. if you’re going to do everything on
\none computer. While there are at least a couple of decent Amiga
\nword processors (ProWrite and WordPerfect), I have heard complaints
\nthat there are no really good spreadsheet packages. But if you want
\ngood graphics software *and* a lot of good business software, I have no
\ndoubt that a Macintosh would serve you better than an Amiga *or* an
\nIBM-compatible would.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1445, from hmccracken, 566 chars, Mon Dec 3 18:35:30 1990
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\nTITLE: Has anybody ever seen the Laurel and Hardy film _Babes in Toyland_?
\nIt’s live-action, of course, but Mickey Mouse and the Three Little
\nPigs all have sizable roles. (I guess Walt let Hal Roach borrow his
\ncharacters.) Mickey is played by a monkey wearing a costume, and he
\nkeeps throwing bricks at a cat in what seems to be either a homage to
\nor ripoff of Krazy Kat. The Three Little Pigs — we learn their names
\nare Elmer, Willie, and Jiggs — seem to be played by midgets, and Elmer
\nis kidnapped in the film’s dramatic turning point.<\/p>\n

Very odd.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1446, from davemackey, 481 chars, Mon Dec 3 19:42:27 1990
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\nTITLE: Charles Solomon Strikes Again
\nIf you are a member (or know someone who is) of the AARP, then
\nyou’ll want to check out an article Charles Solomon has written
\nin the 12\/90-1\/91 issue of “Modern Maturity.” It is your basic
\n“animation is back” article that’s been discussed here before,
\nand animators mentioned, pictured and\/or quoted include Marc
\nDavis, Ollie Johnston, Glen Keane and Andreas Deja of Disney,
\nChuck Jones, and Don Bluth.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1447, from richard.pini, 362 chars, Mon Dec 3 19:51:28 1990
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\nI’ve seen that film every year since I can remember. It seems to me that
\nthe mouse character is not *all* that much like Mickey, though that can
\nbe attributed to interpretation. (I recall him looking more like MIckey
\nRat from the underground comic, but then…) I do seem to recall, though,
\nthat the “Who’s Afraid of the Big Bad Wolf” music is used in the film.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1448, from hmccracken, 428 chars, Mon Dec 3 20:38:13 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1447.
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\nI will have to check one of my Laurel and Hardy tomes for more
\ninformation, but I seem to recall reading that the mouse is
\nindeed Mickey. As to his looks — well, he looks about as
\nmuch like the Mick as you’d imagine a monkey wearing a Mickey
\nsuit (with eyeholes) would look. The film does use “Who’s
\nAfraid of the Big Bad Wolf” whenever the pigs appear, so Disney
\ndefinitely was involved in one way or another.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1449, from hkenner, 677 chars, Tue Dec 4 00:11:07 1990
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\nTITLE: Jones
\nAnimation\/long.messages now contains jones1.txt and jones2.txt, being
\nthe preface and part of the first chapter of my upcoming Chuck Jones
\nbook. Contracted length is 30,000 words, and audience is not animation
\nbuffs but people who’d buy into a series called “American Genius.”
\nHence the exposition of basics.<\/p>\n

In the 2nd instalment you will recognize spots where some detail, like
\nNatwick’s real name, is to be filled in. All contributions welcome,
\nas they’ll save me searching.<\/p>\n

Also, any and all comments \/ corrections earnestly solicited.<\/p>\n

It may be a little while before there’s more. We’re in the midst of
\na Major Move, several hundred miles south.<\/p>\n

–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1450, from billn, 35 chars, Tue Dec 4 10:20:24 1990
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\nYou’ve left John’s Hopkins??
\nBillN<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1451, from bsoron, 51 chars, Tue Dec 4 11:57:54 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1449.
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\n————————–<\/p>\n

I enjoyed it, Hugh… looking forward to more.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1452, from hkenner, 70 chars, Tue Dec 4 12:08:44 1990
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\nRetiring; and moving south. I’ll be connected with U. Ga. in Athens.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1453, from hkenner, 154 chars, Tue Dec 4 12:10:25 1990
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\nThanks. There’ll be more as it gets written. Another cause of delay:
\nglitch after glitch in the process of getting someone to transcribe my
\ntapes.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1454, from hmccracken, 605 chars, Tue Dec 4 18:34:07 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1449.
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\nExcellent start. I can fill in one hole — the fellow who lured
\nUb Iwerks from Disney was named Pat Powers. I can also make
\none correction, although I will have to do some date-checking.
\nI am reasonably positive that Iwerks returned to the Disney studio
\nin 1940 or so, several years after the multiplane camera had been
\ninvented and used in such films as _The Old Mill_, _Snow White_,
\nand _Pinocchio_. Iwerks did come up with a similar device while
\nat his own studio, and may have refined the multiplane once back
\nat Disney, but the camera was up and running well before he ended
\nhis exodus.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1455, from davemackey, 416 chars, Tue Dec 4 21:02:03 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1453.
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\nIf you haven’t checked your mailbox, I’ve attempted to fill in
\nsome of those ???’s you left in the long.messages. I am having a
\nhell of a time figuring about whom Jones was referring to when he
\ntalked of the “trellis of varicose veins.” I’ve been beating my
\nhead to the wall and probably speed-read “Chuck Amuck” from cover
\nto cover a dozen times trying to refresh my memory.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1456, from billn, 42 chars, Tue Dec 4 21:02:19 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1452.
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\nAh, lots more time for Bixing. \ud83d\ude42
\nBillN<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1457, from richard.pini, 736 chars, Wed Dec 5 09:19:55 1990
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\nTITLE: Little Mermaid at Sotheby’s
\nGot a postcard telling of an auction in NYC at Sotheby’s on Saturday,
\nDecember 15, of animation art from “The Little Mermaid.” The exhibition
\nof the art opens Sunday, December 9 at 1 pm. (Oops, the auction itself
\nis in two parts, at 10:15 am and 2 pm.) Sotheby’s is at 1334 York Avenue,
\nNew York, NY 10021, phone (212) 606-7424.
\nThey’ve published a gorgeous catalog of the auction (cost $25) which is
\nworth having for no other reason than it’s gorgeous and a great record of
\na lot of the art from the film – can be ordered with credit card by calling
\n800-447-6843. Looks like the least expensive pieces are expected to go for
\n$1500 and up, and some biggies are estimated into the $12-15000 range.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1458, from hmccracken, 158 chars, Wed Dec 5 18:11:14 1990
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\nI believe that catalog can be had a bit cheaper ($19.95 or thereabouts)
\nat Disney Store locations and (as they say) better comics shops
\neverywhere.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1459, from addman, 1362 chars, Wed Dec 5 22:25:02 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1444.
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\nYep, the business software could be a problem. I’m not sure whether or not the
\nAmiga software pool could handle that end as easily as MSDOS. Between Word
\nPerfect and Excel and Harvard Graphics, and the ancillary programs that run
\nwith those systems, it would be a pian to change, although, I’d do it if I
\nwas sure I was ultimately getting a better product.<\/p>\n

However, what really concerns me is that from talking to people about my
\n500, I’d have to add a hard drive\/memory bundle for about a $1,000 and
\nthey say even then, it will be brutal running on a 68000 rather than a
\n68020 or 030.<\/p>\n

I’m really not trying to start any computer wars but I need to make a decision
\nand this seemed like a good place to get some information, at least less
\nbiased than the Amiga, IBM and Mac sigs.<\/p>\n

Investing in the Mac is out of the question for me right now. That platform
\nis at least a $6,000 investment. The Amiga 3000, with the educational
\ndiscount would cost me $3,000 and the upgrading my AT, via sale and purchase,
\nto a 386-25 would cost me well under $1,000. However, if I can’t get the
\nstuff onto video tape, that might not be an option. After upgrading or
\npurchasing the suitable platform, I still need software and probably some
\nkind of genlock device.<\/p>\n

Am I missing anything here?? Am I making this more expensive or more
\ncomplicated than it has to be??<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1460, from switch, 509 chars, Wed Dec 5 23:43:51 1990
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\nA hard drive\/memory bundle for an A500 shouldn’t cost $1000, even if
\nyou get the A590 from Commodore and put the chips in yourself.
\nIt costs barely over $1K in Canada, last I looked. Should cost
\n$600-$700 for you.<\/p>\n

Outputting a video signal on an MS-DOS machine will require a
\ncard that can get away with that, and they seem to go around $700
\n(again, last time I looked – a few months ago).<\/p>\n

Seems to me it’s a toss-up — more business presentation software
\nfor the IBM, better output from the Amiga.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1461, from addman, 497 chars, Wed Dec 5 23:58:15 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1460.
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\nI wasn’t thinking about a 20 meg hard drive, I believe that’s what the A590 is.
\nThe new GVPs or whatever…..for something like 40 meg and 5 meg of ram are
\nclose to $1,000.<\/p>\n

If the card to output video signals is only $700 and if Autodesk Animator is
\nwhat I need, along with Excel, Harvard Graphics, Word Perfect and probably MS
\nPowerpoint, than that’s probably what I’ll go for. It would sure make life
\na lot easier!!<\/p>\n

Do you know the names of these cards and who makes them?<\/p>\n

thanks….Dennis<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1462, from switch, 103 chars, Thu Dec 6 00:14:41 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1461.
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\nThere’s Willow, Video-7, and (I think) Video-USA or USA-Video.<\/p>\n

That’s off the top of my head…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1463, from davemackey, 310 chars, Thu Dec 6 20:44:24 1990
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\nTITLE: Ketcham
\nEven if you’re only marginally interested in Hank Ketcham, be
\naware that his new autobiography “The Merchant Of Dennis The
\nMenace,” just published by Abbeville Press, has a fairly
\nsubstantial section on his years as an animator at the Walt
\nDisney Studio.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1464, from hmccracken, 720 chars, Fri Dec 7 00:25:06 1990
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\nI don’t have the Ketcham autobiography yet, but I’m definitely
\nsomeone who’s much more than marginally interested in the man’s
\nwork. While all the pleasant but uninspired Dennis the Menace
\nSunday strips and comic books (by other hands) may have obscured
\nKetcham’s own contribution to the strip, his work on the daily
\npanel has often been absolutely brilliant from a graphic standpoint.
\n(And I don’t call things brilliant lightly.) I once had the pleasure
\nof meeting Ketcham and watching him draw *dozens* of sketches for
\nfans, each one totally different and personalized. He’s a nice guy
\nwho reminds me of what Dennis might be like at retirement age, and
\none of the most facile cartoonists I can think of.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1465, from hkenner, 189 chars, Fri Dec 7 00:38:30 1990
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\nYou’re saying the Sundays and books are delegated? It happens.<\/p>\n

And I envy you that meeting with Ketcham. I know what you mean.
\nWatching Chuck Jones draw the Coyote is an education.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1466, from hmccracken, 467 chars, Fri Dec 7 00:47:46 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1465.
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\nKetcham has always had other people write nearly all of the Dennis stuff
\nand draw much of it. This is not unusual (_Mutt and Jeff_ and
\n_Blondie_ were completely ghosted for decades), but it seems partcularly
\nunfortunate in Ketcham’s case, since he’s such a great cartoonist.
\nI should be a little more specific and say that what I like about
\nhis work is its design sense. There are few cartoonists who know
\nbetter what lines to leave out, for instance.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1467, from davemackey, 408 chars, Fri Dec 7 05:56:38 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1464.
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\nI think the Daily panel is all Ketcham does himself. I vivdly
\nremember reading the Dennis comic books produced by Fred Toole
\nand Al Wiseman and realizing that it was Dennis, but a different
\nbreed of Dennis. I don’t think Ketcham’s Mr. Wilson would use
\n“Sacramento California!” as an expletive, for example.
\nThere’s lots in the book on Dennis and friends himself.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1468, from mscoville, 277 chars, Sat Dec 8 00:07:58 1990
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\nThere seems to be a lot of different “lore” about the multiplane camera. I will
\ncheck my references about it introduction date and when Ub Iwerks really had
\none working. By the way Hugh, where in Georgia are you going to settle. I used
\nto live in the “Peanut” state. mscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1469, from mscoville, 898 chars, Sat Dec 8 00:17:45 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1457.
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\nThe Little Mermaid auction at Sotheby’s has a unique disclaimer in the
\nfront of the catalog. It seems that in the original publicity by Sotheby’s
\nthis would be the only time that animation art collectors could purchase
\nthe backgrounds from the movie. The disclaimer by Disney says that they cannot
\nguarantee whether or not this will be the only time that backgrounds will be
\navailable, they are keeping their options open.<\/p>\n

Also, collectors should note that cels from the Little Mermaid will be
\navailable through the Disney Art Program and animation art dealers in the
\nfuture. As with Roger Rabbit, they will market the cels through the dealers and
\nset the retail price depending upon the results of the Sotheby’s auction.<\/p>\n

Out of towners (not living in NYC) might contact their B. Dalton bookstores
\nto see if they have the catalogues. This could save some money in shipping
\ncosts. mscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1470, from hkenner, 60 chars, Sat Dec 8 08:28:54 1990
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\nWe are in the process of buying a house in Athens, GA.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1471, from hkenner, 509 chars, Sat Dec 8 08:55:16 1990
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\nSchickel’s *Disney Version* says (end of ch. 15) “Within a few years
\n[Iwerks] was back at work for Disney, where he … was instrumental
\nin developing improved animation techniques as well as the multiplane
\ncamera, on which he had actually begun experimentation during his
\nbrief independent fling.” And ch. 21, “When he came back to Disney he
\nled the team that perfected first the vertical multiplane camera ….
\nLater, Iwerks participated in the development of the horizontal
\nmultiplane camera …”
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1472, from hkenner, 547 chars, Sat Dec 8 09:39:12 1990
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\nCuriouser & curiouser. Thomas & Johnston’s big *Disney Animation*
\nexplicitly dates Ub’s return at 1940, just as Harry said. Yet “The
\nOld Mill,* shot wholly with the vertical Multiplane, won a ’37 Oscar.
\nT & J have 2 vivid pages (264-5) on the horizontal Multiplane being
\nimprovised in a desperate hurry to film the last sequence of
\n*Fantasia*. That wd be 1940. And they *never* mention Ub & Multiplane
\nin the same breath, though we’re told about other things he tinkered at,
\nsuch as Xeroxing cels.
\nThis stuff just isn’t hanging together.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1473, from hmccracken, 617 chars, Sat Dec 8 13:28:15 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1471.
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\nHugh, the Schickel book has many major factual errors. This was
\nat least somewhat understandable when the book was written, since
\nthere was little previous scholarship on the topic and Schickel was
\nworking without the cooperation of the Disney studio. That the
\nmistakes were not corrected in the recent, expanded edition is less
\nunderstandable. The Thomas\/Johnston book is vastly more reliable.
\nAnother book to stay away from is Leonard Mosley’s biography of
\nDisney called _Disney’s World_, which can serve as a near-perfect
\nmodel of a book written by someone who does not know what he’s
\ntalking about.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1474, from hmccracken, 1122 chars, Sat Dec 8 13:39:14 1990
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\n_The Old Mill_ was the first, and maybe the best, film shot with the
\nmultiplane camera. (Er, not the best film, but rather the one that
\nemployed the multiplane best.) Thomas and Johnston confirm my
\ngeneral memory of the chronology; I think that Iwerks was producing
\nfilms at his studio for release by Columbia during the time that the
\nmultiplane was being developed. I believe it’s Shamus Culhane who
\nhas mentioned in a couple of places that Iwerks built his own, simpler
\nversion of the multiplane out of old car parts while away from Disney.
\nThat Iwerks may have worked on perfecting the multiplane after
\nhis return to Disney is pure speculation on my part — and quite
\npossibly wrong, since by 1940 the multiplane’s great days were almost
\nover.<\/p>\n

Personally, I’ve never found the multiplane camera all that interesting
\nan innovation. While it does give depth to the scene, the characters
\nand background elements remain two-dimensional constructs.
\nThe current Disney film _The Rescuers Down Under_ employs
\ncomputers to produce a multiplane-like effect that’s actually superior
\nto the original in some ways.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1475, from addman, 143 chars, Sun Dec 9 12:53:58 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1474.
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\nI recently saw “The Rescuers Down Under” and the most outstanding feature of
\nthe film was how they created the effects of depth and falling.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1476, from hmccracken, 221 chars, Sun Dec 9 19:27:02 1990
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\nTITLE: I forgot to mention
\nthat Dodie Smith died recently, aged about ninety. Her passing is worth
\nnoting here because she wrote the novel _The 101 Dalmations_ which
\nwas turned into a Disney animated feature.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1477, from jtrindle, 237 chars, Sun Dec 9 19:30:57 1990
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\nTITLE: Chuck Amuck
\nI just finished this book. Wow! My only complaint was that it
\nwas much too short. I loved all the caricatures and incidental
\nart, and Jones writes well to boot (who ghosted this, or was it
\nall on his own?)<\/p>\n

…John<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1478, from hmccracken, 583 chars, Sun Dec 9 19:38:43 1990
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\nHugh Kenner can probably address this issue more knowledgably than
\nanyone else here, but I will say that I would be very surprised if
\n_Chuck Amuck_ was ghosted or written in the main by anyone other
\nthan Charles Martin Jones. The style is too personal and familiar to
\nanyone who’s seen Jones speak for that. Which is a refreshing change
\nfrom something like Mel Blanc’s autobiography, which *was*
\nwritten by someone else, and sometimes reads as if the “I” who’s
\nrecounting all the stories is telling them based on old newspaper
\nclippings rather than personal experience.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1479, from hkenner, 74 chars, Sun Dec 9 20:26:02 1990
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\nYes, *Chuck Amuck* was Chuck Himself. He talks *exactly* like that.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1480, from hmccracken, 740 chars, Sun Dec 9 21:02:23 1990
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\nAn article in _Funnyworld_ magazine #14 (1972) by
\nDisney archivist David R. Smith, titled “Ub Iwerks,
\n1901-1971” probably gives as close to the last
\nword on this Iwerks\/multiplane question as we’re
\ngoing to get. Smith says that Iwerks returned to
\nDisney on September 9th, 1940, so there is no
\nquestion that he was not involved with the development
\nof the multiplane. The article also says that
\nIwerks “even developed, early in the 1930s, a
\nprototype of the multiplane camera: it was horizontal,
\nrather than vertical like the later Disney version.”
\nCome to think of it, if Iwerks’s version came first
\nyou might call him the inventor of the multiplane,
\nI guess.
\n(Although I wouldn’t do so, at least without much
\nqualification.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1481, from hmccracken, 1354 chars, Sun Dec 9 21:42:04 1990
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\nI just got the English edition of _Tom and Jerry_, and while I still
\nthink it’s great, the translation is rather stiff and prone to that
\nmaddening effect of faithfully translating something from the
\nFrench into an English sentence that makes no sense. One understandable
\ntranslation error: the translator turned Brion’s mention of the Terry-
\ntoons character Gaston Le Crayon into “Gaston *the* Crayon,” when
\nhe was really Gaston *Le* Crayon in the first place. The text also
\nsays that Fred Quimby was born in 1896 and became a theater manager in
\n1907 after leaving a journalism career. Unless Fred was the youngest
\njournalist and theater manager in history (up to that time, at least),
\nthat must be a typo. It’s carried over from the French edition, but
\nyou’d think the translator would have noticed.<\/p>\n

The translation makes no attempt to alter the very Gallic flavor of the
\nbook — Brion finds Mammy Two Shoes, the maid in the cartoons, an
\nexotic creation in a way that Americans would not, and dwells on what
\nseems to me a wholly nonexistent question of whether Jerry is male or
\nfemale. The text also retains some historical background and explanation
\nof references that were probably much more helpful to French readers than
\nAmerican ones.<\/p>\n

Still, it’s a great book, and I wish every major cartoon series would
\nget a similar treatment.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1482, from hkenner, 70 chars, Sun Dec 9 22:12:37 1990
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\nThank you, Harry! (Now I’ll have to massage a whole paragraph.)
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1483, from davemackey, 533 chars, Mon Dec 10 18:04:24 1990
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\nTITLE: Choo choo cartoonist
\nI know this is a little late, but it’s well worth searching this
\none out. The October 1990 issue of “Classic Toy Trains” has a
\ncover feature on Ward Kimball, Disney animator who has an
\nextensive collection of trains, both model and full size (he owns
\na couple of steam engines, assorted freight cars, some
\ntrack in his backyard).
\nDick Christianson, the editor of CTT, reports Ward is a spry
\n76 who doesn’t think twice of jumping off the side of a gondola
\ncar.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1484, from hmccracken, 138 chars, Mon Dec 10 18:29:33 1990
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\nI have heard that Kimball recently gave, or is going to give, his
\nincredible full-size train collection to a California museum.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1485, from jtrindle, 103 chars, Mon Dec 10 20:07:02 1990
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\nThat’s good to hear. I enjoyed the writing style so much I wanted
\nto make sure it was Jones’.<\/p>\n

…John<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1486, from richard.pini, 75 chars, Mon Dec 10 22:27:55 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1458.
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\nNo doubt…I’m sure some of that is the inevitable “postage and handling.”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1487, from davemackey, 520 chars, Tue Dec 11 01:04:25 1990
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\nWard’s had one of those steam engines since 1938 (when he
\nwas 24!).
\nHis holdings in the model train area are a good-cross
\nsection of toy train history dating from the 1880’s to the
\n1940’s, not only electric but also the old-fashioned windup kind.
\nIt was said to be the most comprehensive collection of
\npre-war toy trains in the world.
\nIf anything, this proves that even men who make animation
\ntheir living need a hobby, and Ward Kimball is at the forefront
\nof his.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1488, from davemackey, 130 chars, Tue Dec 11 01:04:34 1990
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\nI wonder how much interest in animation (if any) that the
\ntranslator, Annette Michelson, has.
\nDave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1489, from switch, 377 chars, Tue Dec 11 22:08:42 1990
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\nIf I remember by History of Animation course, someone else developed
\na multiplane independently of Disney. Riffling through my old
\nnotes, I find something scribbled in my hand that says someone by
\nthe name of Bartosche invented the multiplane independently and
\n_before_ Disney. Hmmmn. Looks like I’ll have to ask my old teacher
\nand see where she got that tidbit from.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1490, from switch, 105 chars, Tue Dec 11 22:10:24 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1477.
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\n*sigh* My copy still sits un my shelf, unread. Hopefully I’ll
\nfind the time during the holidays.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1491, from hmccracken, 414 chars, Tue Dec 11 22:46:11 1990
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\nI’ve never heard of the man you mention, but it is true that Disney
\nvery quickly reached the stage where he was credited with having
\ninvented practically every important innovation in his artform.
\nDisney is said to have made the first sound cartoon, the first color
\none, and the first feature-length one, and while it is true that he
\nmade the first *important* one of each, he wasn’t first in any case.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1492, from steven_edwards, 937 chars, Wed Dec 12 10:30:44 1990
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\nIt is always difficult to credit various technological advances to
\nindividuals in fast moving fields, particularly when it later appears that
\nthe “times were ripe” for a certain development. There was telegraphy before
\nSamuel Morse, there was telephony before Alexander Bell, assembly lines
\nbefore Henry Ford, and powered flight before the Wright brothers. However,
\nin all of these cases, it was the resulting further development, publication,
\nand commercial exploitation that causes historians to assign proper credit.
\nThose who invent something but do little or nothing to make much of their
\ncontribution actually make no contribution at all and deserve no more than
\na footnote in the history books, if even that much.
\nDisney certainly does deserve the credit for the multiplane and
\nother advances in the art. After all, it was from Disney that others got
\nthese ideas from – not some unknown, non-publishing individual. — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1493, from switch, 518 chars, Wed Dec 12 23:47:28 1990
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\nTITLE: Tonight’s outing
\nTonight I went to the second of a three-part retrospective on the
\nHollywood cartoon at the Cinematheque Quebecoise. Among other
\nfilms was “Rabbit Rampage”, a sort of sequel to “Duck Amuck”.
\nMy sister’s mentioned this to me before, but this is the first
\ntime I’ve ever seen it. It struck me as being very unfunny, and
\nBugs was distinctly out of character. Comments?<\/p>\n

Oh yeah, and I also saw “Porky in Wackyland” again. Only this time
\nthe gag with the Warner logo was cut. Strange…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1494, from davemackey, 562 chars, Thu Dec 13 07:05:52 1990
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\n“Rabbit Rampage” shows us that even Chuck Jones can display
\nlapses in judgment. What works for Daffy Duck does not
\nnecessarily work for Bugs.
\nDid your print of “Porky in Wackyland” have original Warner
\nBros. titles front and back? Reason I’m asking is that a number
\nof distributors in the old days would be contractually required
\nto delete any references to Warner Bros. in the films themselves.
\nYou might have seen a print that had a copyright notice with
\nSunset Productions listed as copyright holder, for example.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1495, from switch, 138 chars, Thu Dec 13 10:22:06 1990
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\nNo, it was another distributor. That would explain it, since
\n“Dough for the Do-Do” had the gag and had the original Warner
\ntitles.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1496, from steven_edwards, 312 chars, Fri Dec 14 10:33:35 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1457.
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\nThe catalog is indeed gorgeous and can be had for $19.95 at your
\nlocal Disney store. Alas, having not won any lotteries recently, I won’t
\nbe making the trip to NYC tommorow.
\nOn the other hand, with less than 300 pieces for sale out of over
\n150,000 cels, I’m sure we’ll see more sales in the future. — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1497, from steven_edwards, 728 chars, Fri Dec 14 13:54:57 1990
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\nTITLE: Henson\/Disney Muppet Deal Collapses<\/p>\n

According to a report in today’s _New York Times_, Disney and
\nHenson Associates have ended discussions concerning sale of most of the
\nlate Jim Henson’s Muppet characters to the Disney organization. The
\nyear and a half long talks failed reportedly due to Disney not wanting
\nto pay the portion of the earlier proposed price (estimated at between
\n$100 million and $150 million) for exclusive creative services of the no
\nlonger available Mr. Henson, and Henson Associates not wanting less then
\nthe earlier figure. There was speculation that a number of rival
\nentertainment firms including Warner Bros. and MCA\/Universal would be
\ninterested in pusuit of a deal with Henson Associates.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1498, from hmccracken, 182 chars, Fri Dec 14 18:05:50 1990
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\nThere is an excellent article on this in the _Wall Street Journal_
\ntoday, too. Disney still has the licensing and publishing
\nrights to Kermit and company, but that’s all.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1499, from davemackey, 919 chars, Fri Dec 14 18:33:55 1990
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\nTITLE: Henson-Disney deal off
\nThe long-awaited acquisition of Henson Associates by the Walt
\nDisney Company will not happen.
\nIt was announced yesterday that the two parties could not
\ncome to terms and decided to call the whole thing off. News
\nreports had credited the death of Jim Henson as the turning point
\nin the negotiations; it was said that Disney was going to pay a
\npremium to tap Mr. Henson’s muse and pick up its properties in
\nthe bargain, and apparently Disney wasn’t all that interested in
\njust the properties at the prices the Henson family was
\nultimately asking.
\nThe anticipated merger had already bore some fruit — some
\nMuppet attractions at the parks and some television projects —
\nbut the fate of those wasn’t certain as of yesterday’s
\nannouncement. (It had been announced, however, that Disney and
\nHenson will still collaborate on a project for ABC.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1500, from davemackey, 755 chars, Fri Dec 14 18:34:30 1990
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\nSince “Porky In Wackyland” was not one of the 78 cartoons in the
\nhand-recolored package, most surviving prints should be Sunset
\nProductions\/Guild Films front and back titles. (Most of the
\nSunset Productions opening titles have incorrect Roman
\nnumeral copyright dates that begin with MXM rather than MCM,
\nas a trivial side note.) But Warner’s did make some new prints
\nwith correct WB open and closing and the film is shown complete
\non Nickelodeon and on home video.
\nI would be interested to know what else they showed, and
\nwhether they were rare or common versions (rare would be, for
\nexample, a print of a cartoon commonly known as a Blue Ribbon but
\nin its original version, with complete titles and credits).
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1501, from switch, 265 chars, Fri Dec 14 23:43:23 1990
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\nHere we go:<\/p>\n

Wholly Smoke
\nPorky in Wackyland
\nJungle Jive
\nThe Great Piggy Bank Robbery
\nThe Big Snooze
\nBugs Bunny Rides Again
\nDough for the Do-Do
\nSaturday Evening Puss
\nRabbit Seasoning
\nDuck Dodgers in the 24 1\/2 Century
\nDuck Amuck
\nRabbit Rampage
\nZoom and Bored<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1502, from davemackey, 639 chars, Sat Dec 15 05:29:21 1990
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\nAha! So it wasn’t all Warner’s. I see “Saturday Evening Puss” in
\nthere which was a Tom and Jerry — did you have the version with
\nthe original animation of Mammy Two-Shoes or was she replaced by
\na skinny white woman like the version showing on television?
\nAnd “Jungle Jive” is a pretty nice cartoon; few people today
\nrealize that piano soloist Bob Zurke was a fast-rising young star
\nwhose life was tragically cut short just after he recorded that
\ncartoon in an automobile accident. Lantz was always good at
\nsnaring the best musicians for his jazz cartoons and Zurke was
\ncertainly no exception.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1503, from switch, 165 chars, Sat Dec 15 08:05:55 1990
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\nOriginal with Mammy Two-Shoes. The Cinematheque’s usually good for that
\n(which is why I was surprised to see the Warner gag missing in “Porky in
\nWackyland”).<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1504, from hkenner, 52 chars, Sat Dec 15 10:15:04 1990
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\nHe recorded that cartoon in an automobile accident?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1505, from davemackey, 324 chars, Sat Dec 15 11:17:46 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1495.
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\nGermane to this conversation, ABC’s “Bugs Bunny and Tweety” show
\ntoday showed “Dough For The Do-Do” minus the shield gag! Not only
\nthat, the cartoon was horribly time-compressed, with Porky
\nsounding like a chipmunk. Hey, ham boy, you’re on the wrong
\nnetwork to sound like a chipmunk.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1506, from davemackey, 218 chars, Sat Dec 15 11:23:13 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1504.
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\nAlas, you caught my bad grammar. After he recorded the cartoon,
\nhe had a car crash which took his life.
\n(Sometimes I forget there are Real Live Writers on this
\nconference.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1507, from davemackey, 305 chars, Sun Dec 16 08:20:58 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1503.
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\nI wonder what it was with Hanna and Barbera that they had so many
\ncharacters in their cartoons whose heads you never saw, just
\ntheir bodies. This includes Mammy Two Shoes, the little girl in
\n“Baby Puss,” and quite a few others that I can’t even begin to
\nenumerate.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1508, from hmccracken, 337 chars, Sun Dec 16 16:56:36 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1488.
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\nI haven’t heard of Annette Michelson, but I’m not that up on
\nmy French cartoon buffs. Actually, since the book seems quite
\naccurate from an animation standpoint and its flaws relate to
\nthe quality of the English prose, I wouldn’t be that surprised
\nif she was picked for the job because she was knowledgable
\nabout the subject.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1509, from hmccracken, 1175 chars, Sun Dec 16 17:06:50 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1492.
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\nWell, I don’t know if I’d go that far. The telegraphy, the tele-
\nphone, assembly line production, and multiplane animation are all
\npretty neat ideas in the first place. If folks other than Morse,
\nBell, Ford, and Disney came up with them, they quite rightly
\ndeserve to get full credit for the initial ideas.<\/p>\n

You are of course right that what gets done with an idea is as
\nimportant as the idea itself. The sound and color cartoons that
\nwere made before Disney’s attempts were oddities that got
\nlittle attention. Disney’s first sound and color cartoons made
\nit clear very quickly that the new technologies were the wave
\nof the future, just as _The Jazz Singer_ was the live-action
\nfilm that proved sound’s worth, even though it was far from the
\nfirst sound film.<\/p>\n

With Disney, there is the additional issue that crediting him
\nwith the invention of sound animation, color animation, full-
\nlength cartoons, and the multiplane camera would be wrong even
\nif his studio created those forms. All those technologies were
\ndeveloped by others, in and out of the Disney studio. Walt
\nmay have been the guy who recognized their worth, but that’s
\nnot the same thing at all.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1510, from jshook, 125 chars, Sun Dec 16 23:40:48 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1508.
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\nI’m not positive about this, but I think I recognise the
\nname as someone who writes for highbrow art journals
\nlike Artforum.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1511, from dave.f, 441 chars, Mon Dec 17 12:18:30 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 305.
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\nI think it was just using a frame that centered on the anthropomorphic
\ncharacters and saw humans as intruders and faceless authority figures.
\nWhat they looked like didn’t matter. Their function was to be an
\nall-powerful entity that could disrupt the universe of Tom (or whoever)
\nwhen he got too tied up in his own agenda. Warners used this, as well,
\nin some of theirs. Take the Claude and Frisky cartoons. Even some
\nof Sylvester’s.<\/p>\n

D=<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1512, from steven_edwards, 1108 chars, Mon Dec 17 13:49:34 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1509.
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\nInteresting comments. I fully agree with your last paragraph in that
\nit is important to distinguish between the accomplishments of a person and
\nthose of the company founded and directed by that person. I confess that I
\nhave been occasionally sloppy about this as it it easy to blur this point
\nwhere the company and its founder share the same name. Also, the long
\nstanding tradition at several animation sources not to credit individual
\nartists, voice talents, and tech types tends to muddle credit assignment.<\/p>\n

But some things do change. I wrote earlier about Disney denying
\nvocalist credit on the compact disc version of _The Little Mermaid_ soundtrack.
\nI thought this particularly unfair because of the prominance of the musical
\nnature of the film. It seemed like Disney just didn’t want its contract help
\nto get too much of a name for themselves so as to make it harder for the
\nsingers to get points for future contract negotiations. Now, however, the
\nsuccessor compact disc _Sebastian_ does indeed credit the individual singers
\nand also includes a lyric sheet – a definite improvement. — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1513, from davemackey, 412 chars, Mon Dec 17 18:14:57 1990
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\nYou’ve reminded me of one of the better Chuck Jones cartoons,
\n“Feed The Kitty,” in which the Bulldog tries to hide his little
\ncat friend from the lady of the house. Her face isn’t seen
\neither.
\nExtending this topic to the world of comics, have you ever
\nseen an adult in “Peanuts,” for example? It’s a pretty valid
\ndevice, and one that could use some further research.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1514, from sharonfisher, 142 chars, Mon Dec 17 18:16:22 1990
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\nThere’s a couple of those Marc Antony & Kitty cartoons. In Peanuts
\nanimation specials, you never even hear an adult voice — just “wah wah.”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1515, from hmccracken, 1366 chars, Mon Dec 17 18:22:35 1990
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\nTITLE: One of the nice things about editing an animation magazine is
\nthat you get to talk, from time to time, with some of the people who
\nworked on the great animated films of the thirties, forties, and fifties.
\nOne of the less-nice things is that sometimes those people get sick.
\nShamus Culhane, who has written a couple of books lately but really
\nearned his place in history as an animator and director (doing everything
\nfrom animating at Flesicher, Iwerks, Van Beuren and Disney to making
\nmany of the best animated commercials of the 1950s, to directing the
\nperennial educational film _Hemo the Magnificent_) had a fall recently
\nfrom which he is presently recovering. (He fractured a vertrabrae.)<\/p>\n

As a fan of Shamus’s (if nothing else I am indebted to him for animating
\nthe scene in _Pinocchio_ in which the Coachman, the Fox, and the Cat
\nscheme in a tavern — one of my all-time favorite pieces of animation),
\nI am going to drop him a get-well note. If any of you have been amused
\nby Shamus’s work — and he worked everywhere and on everything, so chances
\nare you have been — you might want to drop him a letter, too. His
\naddress is 325 West End, New York, NY 10023. (If you feel like mentioning
\nmy name, so Shamus doesn’t wonder where you heard of this, feel free.
\nDon’t bother to mention BIX specifically as I’m sure he’s never heard of
\nit.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1516, from hmccracken, 718 chars, Mon Dec 17 18:29:55 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1513.
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\nIt seems to me that a few early Peanuts cartoons had adults speaking from
\noffstage, and at least one Peanuts TV special has shown adults — again,
\nwith the heads cut off. It’s quite common in comic strips — probably
\nunder Schulz’s influence. There are plenty of strips about kids that
\ndon’t show the parents or obscure their heads in some way. While
\nSchulz probably does this for some very specific reason, I doubt that
\nHanna and Barbera had any great philosophies of animation that led to
\nthem cutting off Mammy Two-Shoes’s head — it probably was easier to frame
\nthe action, which took place down near the floorboards, if they didn’t
\nhave to try to cram in an entire adult human being into the frame.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1517, from hmccracken, 421 chars, Mon Dec 17 18:32:43 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1514.
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\nTwo of the Marc Anthony (sic) and Pussyfoot cartoons — _Feed the Kitty_
\nand _Kiss Me Cat_ — are among the greatest short cartoons ever made.
\nThere are one or two others that are merely okay. _Feed the Kitty_,
\nby the way, is Steven Spielberg’s favorite cartoon, or so he’s said.
\nThe scene where Marc Anthony thinks that his mistress has baked Pussyfoot
\ninto a cookie is Chuck Jones at his extraordinary best.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1518, from hmccracken, 465 chars, Mon Dec 17 18:38:17 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 724.
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\nI realize that this is in response to a message of six months ago, and
\nthe question is somewhat moot now, but Shamus Culhane talks about
\n“the luxurious swirl of Snow White’s skirt as she hurries down the
\nstairs in the dwarf’s house.” I think that if Jones or Natwick himself
\nremembered the scene as taking place on a spiral staircase in the castle,
\nthey were confusing two scenes — the latter being one of the Queen
\nrushing down that spiral staircase.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1519, from steven_edwards, 1856 chars, Mon Dec 17 18:44:22 1990
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: On Seeing _The Rescuers Down Under_<\/p>\n

As I tend to stay away from the opening night\/week\/month crowds, I
\njust got around to see _The Rescuers Down Under_. A very nice adventure
\nfilm in the Disney tradition, and to be noted for a fairly seamless
\nintegration of computer assisted animation techniques. As has been mentioned
\nearlier, this film has a good, steady pace that it achieves quickly and
\nmaintains throughout the show. The backround music is unobtrusive (there are
\nonly two credited songs, appearing as fragments) and serves to accent the
\naction sequences. Of special note is the very appropriate casting of John
\nCandy and George C. Scott in roles only they could fulfill.
\nSome computer notes: Pixar, Inc. is obviously responsible for the
\nanimation of the Sydney Auditorium aerial view and probably also the New
\nYork skyline sequence. The credit roll had some four individuals listed
\nunder “Pixar” and six more under computer headings. The New York City
\nskyline was indeed as accurate as it looked; the database used to create the
\ncomputer animation was also credited.
\nBy the way, the final night sky view star field is fairly accurate
\nas to what can be seen from Australia’s latitudes.
\nThe warm-up short, _The Prince and The Pauper_, was also well done
\nwith more than the usual detail going into the backround paintings. The
\ncomputer generated hexagonal snowflake foregrounds were almost too good as
\nit almost seemed like the software crew was showing off.
\nA really big disappointment was the ten minute intermission, a
\npoorly disguised sop to the theater owners’ concern with concession
\nprofits. It’s really a shame that a company that has the power to
\nthankfully deny paid advertisements for non-cinema items goes and pulls
\nthis phony intermission stunt. The multilated minute long music fills were
\nno consolation. — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1520, from hkenner, 55 chars, Mon Dec 17 19:16:30 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1516.
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\nHeck, they didn’t have an animator who could do faces.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1521, from hmccracken, 532 chars, Mon Dec 17 19:45:53 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1519.
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\nHow shall I phrase this? I have heard that Pixar was responsible not
\nfor the computer-aniomated backgrounds, but for the computerized cel-
\npainting system that was used on the film. (I’m being careful not
\nto say that that’s the case because Disney has been so very quiet about
\nthe whole process — they have had nothing to say about the
\ncomputer-assisted painting system (CAPS) at all, as far as I
\nknow. But I have heard a rumor from two sources that Pixar
\ndeveloped the system for Disney.<\/p>\n

Nice comments on the film.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1522, from switch, 113 chars, Mon Dec 17 21:16:39 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1511.
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\nCharlie Brown did the same in the cartoons. No voices or bodies,
\njust this strange distortion of a voice.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1523, from switch, 89 chars, Mon Dec 17 21:17:51 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1516.
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\nI distinctly remember some early Charlie Brown strips with adult
\nvoices, though…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1524, from switch, 19 chars, Mon Dec 17 21:18:04 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1520.
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\nGood answer!<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1525, from elfhive, 331 chars, Mon Dec 17 23:50:06 1990
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\nTITLE: ASIFA
\nI should have asked earlier but tomorrow night I’m attending a local
\nASIFA gathering and I plan to join the international organization.
\nThe ASIFA Washington newsletter (Pencil Test) is pretty crude, but
\nit contains some interesting information about local screenings.<\/p>\n

Anyone have any comments about ASIFA in general?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1526, from hmccracken, 294 chars, Tue Dec 18 00:00:55 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1525.
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\nASIFA-Hollywood has its friends and its enemies and its ups and
\nits downs. It has had, in the past, anyway, a reputation for
\nsnobishness, but it’s also published some good magazines. I’ve
\nheard little about it in the past two years.<\/p>\n

Any other branch of ASIFA I know little about.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1528, from jshook, 713 chars, Tue Dec 18 00:44:31 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1527.
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\nAbout 7 or eight years ago I was doing some work at MAGI Synthevision
\nin Elmsford, N.Y. At that time MAGI was doing some R&D on a
\ncomputerised paint and compositing system for Disney. They would
\ndigitise original animators’ pencil drawings, color them (somehow) and
\ncomposite the “cels” over the background with the computer. They could
\nhave forground elements that were self-masking–no need to do trace-backs
\non the cels. There was also a limited pseudo-multiplane capability.
\nI don’t know what (if anything) happened to this system,
\nThe project that they were using as a test was “In the Night
\nKitchen” by Maurice Sendak. I wonder if anyone will ever make this
\nfilm–the stuff I saw looked nice.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1529, from elfhive, 313 chars, Tue Dec 18 00:54:57 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1526.
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\nThere is a three page essay from a David Ehrlich of ASIFA International’s
\nExecutive Board entitled “Why Should I join ASIFA-international?” that
\nsays they publish a quarterly Newsletter out of Brussels (Foliomage).
\nTheir archive is in Berlin (formerly East). It seems to have quite
\na strong international flavor.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1530, from davemackey, 219 chars, Tue Dec 18 07:24:08 1990
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\nTITLE: Little Mermaid auction
\nThe auction of art from “The Little Mermaid” this past weekend at
\nSotheby’s took in about $1.23 million, with some pieces topping
\nthe $25,000 mark.<\/p>\n

–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1531, from hmccracken, 298 chars, Tue Dec 18 07:57:51 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1528.
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\nI’ve seen the “Wild Things” test footage, and it is indeed
\nquite nice. John Lasseter, later of Pixar, worked on it.
\nI don’t know if it has any direct connection to Disney’s
\ncurrent computer technology other than that they’ve wanted
\nto automate a lot of their work for quite a while now.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1532, from steven_edwards, 944 chars, Tue Dec 18 13:00:29 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1521.
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\nI still think that the Auditorium fly-by was a Pixar product because
\nof both the similarity between it and other Pixar work (demo films) and the
\nfact that it is not that well integrated. The beginning and end of the scene
\nare obviously hand painted backrounds – it almost appears that the computer
\nsequence was a late add-on.
\nI don’t know if Pixar is doing much in the way of automated paint and
\nink. If so, it hasn’t appeared in any of their demonstation work. Of course,
\nif it was done as part of a proprietary Disney system this would be expected.
\nBy the way, the film credits placed the final soundtrack recording at
\nthe Warner Brothers sound studios.
\nI wounder if anyone at the major studios has access to BIX and is
\nlistening in on our discussion. If so, perhaps we could get more accurate
\ninformation. If not, maybe someone here could send a floppy or two to
\nprospective parties – I’m sure they would be interested. — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1533, from hmccracken, 785 chars, Tue Dec 18 18:34:51 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1532.
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\nYou may well be right about Pixar being involved with the Auditiorium scene,
\nalthough Disney has an in-house department that has being doing that sort of
\nthing since the early eighties or so (as witness the aforementioned
\n“Wild Things” test and the bits of computer animation in every Disney
\nanimated feature since _The Black Cauldron_.)<\/p>\n

Disney is an incredible publicity machine that will do *anything* to get
\npublicized what its *wants* publicized, and will not lift a finger to
\npromote things it doesn’t care about or doesn’t want known. I have heard
\nthat they are extremely secretive about the CAPS system — in fact, BIX
\nhas talked to Disney about doing a CBIX session here, and was told “We’ll
\nbe glad to talk about anything — *except* our computer animation work.”
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1534, from davemackey, 460 chars, Tue Dec 18 18:52:51 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1508.
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\nI do think some of the translations are a bit charming, going to
\nEnglish into French and back into English again. “Certificate
\nnumber” becomes “Copyright number,” “Layout” becomes “Tracing,”
\nand “Design Consultant” becomes “Advisor For Drawings.” (I have
\nvisions of Maurice Noble giving each drawing individual advice
\nnot unlike Ann Landers!)
\nQuite literally, we can say that something got lost in the
\ntranslation.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1535, from hmccracken, 463 chars, Tue Dec 18 20:13:32 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1534.
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\nI am reminded of something Mike Barrier said when reviewing
\nan American edition of a German book on comics: he called it
\n“like looking at [the topic] through the wrong end of a
\ntelescope.”<\/p>\n

Like I said, this book is definitely *French*, but it’s very
\ngood nonetheless. And I would not mind at all if it’s popular
\nenough to inspire translations of the three (!) French books
\non Tex Avery and several French histories of animation that
\nI’m aware of.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1536, from jshook, 79 chars, Tue Dec 18 23:30:09 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1531.
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\nYou’re right…it was “Where the Wild Things Are”, not
\n“In the Night Kitchen.”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1537, from steven_edwards, 427 chars, Wed Dec 19 15:32:28 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1533.
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\nI for one would welcome anyone from the major animation studios for
\na CBIX event, even if proprietary information was off limits. I’m sure
\nthere would plenty of other things to discuss, and I would guess that
\ninformation already in print in the technical journals about company
\nspecific techniques would be fair game.
\nOf course, I would have to have a chance to read the CBIX portion
\nof the BIX manual beforehand. — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1538, from rlcarr, 1439 chars, Wed Dec 19 19:43:44 1990
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\nTITLE: FAnimato! news…
\nI received the following emacs today from James Belfiore – head of
\nFAnimato!, the official Jittlov fan club:<\/p>\n

— start of forwarded message —
\nDate: Wed, 19 Dec 90 09:57:06 EST
\nFrom: Jim Belfiore <be******@ae*.c<\/span>om<\/span>>
\nTo: rl****@AT****.E<\/span>DU<\/span>
\nSubject: I (FANimato!) need(s) a favor…<\/p>\n

Rich,<\/p>\n

Due to uncontrollable circumstances with my full-time job, I have, over
\nthe last 2 months, had literally no free time to myself, my family, or projects
\nassociated with ARISIA and more importantly, FAnimato!<\/p>\n

Just recently, this work level has (temporarily) abated, and I am fran-
\ntically pushing out all tapes, the newsletter, and other FAnimato! related
\nprojects. Could you please post a notice of some kind to the Usenet Jittlov
\ngroup, essentially explaining my situation and status [me: done]? People
\nhave generally been very understanding that I am still the one-man operation
\nof FAnimato!, but I still feel very bad that it has had to suffer.<\/p>\n

All ordered tapes are either in the mail, or going out the door by Friday
\nmorning. The newsletter will be out in mid-January. All membership renewals
\nwill be delayed by three months (I have no intention of asking anyone for
\nrenewal money until I give them what I said I would for one year’s membership).
\nThere will be a FAnimato! party at ARISIA ’91, (at the Vista Hotel, Feb. 1-3,
\nWaltham, MA).<\/p>\n

be******@so*.c<\/span>om<\/span>
\n—- end of forwarded message —<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1539, from davemackey, 482 chars, Fri Dec 21 01:37:46 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1537.
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\nSteven, if you haven’t CBIXed yet, it would be a good idea to get
\na little practice in at an informal chat session, which are
\nheld every so often in the animation conference (or on general
\nCBIX). It’s tough trying to learn the commands and get a feel for
\nthe way things work in the environment of a formal live session
\n(where you have to indicate your desire to speak by entering ?),
\nwhich is what one of these special guest nights would be.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1540, from davemackey, 810 chars, Fri Dec 21 01:38:10 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1520.
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\n> didn’t have an animator who could do faces
\nObviously a facetious comment, since there were some pretty good
\nanimators working on those Peanuts specials, and Bill Melendez
\nwas no slouch as an animator himself — he had a substantial
\ncareer at Warner Bros. and UPA before starting his own studio.
\nThe drawings were so simple and the movement so stilted that
\nthere is very little individual personality that an animator
\ncould instill into it. If you check the end credits of any
\nPeanuts special, you’ll run into a lot of familiar and talented
\nnames.
\nAnd I’m sure you weren’t talking about the Tom and Jerry
\nteam in that context, since their animators had no dialogue to
\nwork with and had to convey all emotions through facial
\nexpression.
\nGood gag line, though!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1541, from davemackey, 1052 chars, Fri Dec 21 22:56:27 1990
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\nTITLE: Merrie Melodies Records
\nWarner Bros. Records has announced a new subsidiary label, Merrie
\nMelodies Records. According to WB publicity, “The new label has
\nbeen conceived for the children’s market, though the musical
\nsignificance of ‘The Carl Stalling Project’ (not on Merrie
\nMelodies) suggests that albums of music from WB cartoons are for
\n‘children of all ages.'”
\nThe first release under the new colophon is “Bugs On
\nBroadway,” soundtrack to the stage show. Conducted and produced
\nby George Daugherty, and here’s pertinent information.<\/p>\n

Catalogue: 4\/2-26494, available in cassette and Compact Disc
\nformats. Release date as yet undetermined.
\nSide One: Overture–Merrie Melodies Main Title Music, This
\nIs A Life, High Note, What’s Up Doc?, Baton Bunny, Jumpin’
\nJupiter, The Rabbit Of Seville
\nSide Two: Act II Entr’acte–Excerpt from Long Haired Hare
\nand Merrie Melodies Main Title Music, A Corny Concerto, Long
\nHaired Hare, What’s Opera Doc?, Merrie Melodies Closing
\nTheme–That’s All Folks!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1542, from mscoville, 436 chars, Sat Dec 22 00:50:24 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1530.
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\nLittle Mermaid Prices…<\/p>\n

Contrary to what the press published the high of the auction was $23,000.00
\nthe average price for a piece of art was 3,500.00. This auction did not realize
\nthe highs that Roger Rabbit did.<\/p>\n

It should be interesting to see what the Disney Art Program will establish
\nfor prices of the art that will be released at the retail level. Rumor has it
\nthat the cels will not be available until Christmas of next year.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1543, from davemackey, 723 chars, Mon Dec 24 00:19:05 1990
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\nIn the latest issue of “Disney News” (which, by the way, is
\ncelebrating its 25th anniversary as official publication of the
\nMagic Kingdom Club), there’s an article about the film, and,
\nquite naturally, there’s no mention of computers.
\nBut there is reference to a new process that will allow
\nchanging the color of the ink line, as well as the color of the
\ncharacter, and manipulation of the background elements.
\nSo how’s it done? With mirrors? Little elves? Eastern
\npiecelaborers?
\nI enjoy magazines like “Disney News” and “StoryboarD” much
\nbetter when they aren’t acting as arms of the Studio’s publicity
\ngrist mill. Their strengths are articles about the theme parks.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1544, from mscoville, 551 chars, Mon Dec 24 21:14:55 1990
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\nDisney Computer Animation
\nThe new process that was discussed in the Disney News was the new computer
\nanimation that was done in Rescuers Down Under. They are able to change the
\nink lines as well as the character’s colors. Also, they can do many camera
\nmoves,etc. The movie had no cels. The only human contributions were the drawings and the backgrounds, the rest was done
\nby the computer. Also, it should be
\nnoted that the reported resolution of the final product is higher than 35mm
\nfilm stock. Each frame is printed one line at a time.
\nmscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1545, from mscoville, 113 chars, Mon Dec 24 21:17:43 1990
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\nTITLE: Holiday Wishes
\nWe would like to extend to all best wishes for the Holiday Season.
\nPam and Mike Scoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1546, from davemackey, 448 chars, Wed Dec 26 22:44:02 1990
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\nTITLE: “Vincent” music?
\nIn sf\/media there is a discussion about Tim Burton, obviously
\nsparked by his film “Edward Scissorhands.” The subject of music
\nfor his films came up, and we have reason to believe that Danny
\nElfman has done music for every major Burton production.
\nBut I posed the question if Burton did the music for his
\nDisney animated short “Vincent.” Never having seen it, I can’t
\nconfirm it.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1547, from richard.pini, 326 chars, Wed Dec 26 22:48:52 1990
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\nThey show a short clip from “Vincent” on HBO during a segment of “Behind the
\nScenes” about Burton – don’t recall (a) if they play music with it, (b) if
\nthey do, if it’s what goes with the clip, and if (a) and (b), then if it’s
\nElfman’s. I wouldn’t be able to tell, but perhaps someone with a better ear
\nfor such things could.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1548, from davemackey, 606 chars, Thu Dec 27 19:20:08 1990
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\nTITLE: Animation’s many Isadores
\nAs any Warner Bros. cartoon fan should know, Friz Freleng’s real
\nfirst name is Isadore, although he took credit as I. Freleng for
\nmany years.
\nThere were at least three other animators whose real first
\nnames were Isidore or Isadore: I. Ellis (who worked for Warner
\nBros.), and I. Sparber and I. Klein (both long associated with
\nParamount).
\nI often wonder if Ellis, Sparber and Klein took screen
\ncredit as I. in direct imitation of Freleng, or if they were as
\ngenerally unimpressed with their christened name as Freleng was.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1549, from davemackey, 502 chars, Thu Dec 27 19:20:25 1990
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\nTITLE: Cash or Looney Check?
\nSince my brother works in a record store, he sees more checks
\nthan I ever do, and one that caught his eye recently had the
\nLooney Tunes characters printed on it.
\nHe found out that Deluxe Check Printers, which supplies many
\nof the banks in this nation, does offer these designs to some
\nbanks, which offer them as an alternative to plain stock or
\nscenic checks.
\nAnyone else have these checks or other information about
\nthem?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1550, from davemackey, 461 chars, Thu Dec 27 19:20:40 1990
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\n> the movie had no cels<\/p>\n

That’s too bad for art collectors (unless there’s a market for
\nthe disks that they used)…<\/p>\n

Printing every frame at a time sounds interesting… does
\nthat take quite a long time? I would also think that the
\nresolution of the film would ultimately be roughly equivalent to
\nthe size of the grain used for release prints. Did they use
\nultra-fine grain stock for negatives and release prints?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1551, from davemackey, 713 chars, Thu Dec 27 19:20:59 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1534.
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\nBy the way, I got the “Tom and Jerry” book for Christmas, and
\nit’s quite good. Brion postulates that it’s the mystique behind
\nwho Tom and Jerry are — the house, the Mammy maid, the
\nrelationship between the two characters — that Hanna-Barbera
\nsuccessfully played on for seventeen years and that Gene Deitch
\nand Chuck Jones didn’t quite follow up on.
\nMGM was a cartoon plant with several distinct stylistic
\nschools — H-B, Tex Avery, Harman and Ising, and the experimental
\nyears of Friz Freleng and Milt Gross, and one wishes they could
\nall be tied together in one book as well as Brion has
\nchronicled the Tom and Jerry films.
\nTINAR
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1552, from hmccracken, 458 chars, Thu Dec 27 22:34:53 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1548.
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\nI have wondered about all those Izzies myself. Friz Freleng, clearly,
\ndoes not care for his given name, since he’s used Friz as his on-screen
\ncredit for as long as he’s been allowed to. I. Klein definitely didn’t
\ntake the billing in imitation of Freleng, since he signed cartoons that
\nway in _The Masses_ and elsewhere since the teens or so.<\/p>\n

Come to think of it, the one Isadore I know goes by Izzy and is *never*
\ncalled by his first name…
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1553, from hmccracken, 223 chars, Thu Dec 27 22:36:05 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1549.
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\nGee, I might have gone for those if I had seen them. I recently switched
\nto a bank that uses Deluxe as their printer (see new.england\/mass for
\nthe gory reasons why), and I took the plain, cheap checks as usual.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1554, from mscoville, 868 chars, Sat Dec 29 01:36:22 1990
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\nComputer to film transfer<\/p>\n

Yes, it does take some time for one line to be scanned onto the film. I was
\nadvised that it takes approximately 20 minutes plus for each line. As to the
\nresolution of the final film, yes regretfully it is what ever is lowest in
\nresolution, in this case the film stock. This will have greater implications
\nas HDTV comes on line and rumor has it they are trying to develop (pardon the
\npun) a new film which will be able to utilize the new, higher resolution.<\/p>\n

As had been mentioned earlier, Disney is trying to convince animators to get
\n>of the pencil and paper and use a “mouse”. It seems that a company in San
\nDiego is already doing this for the new Tomato cartoons on Fox. They say they
\ncan have better control and greater speed than sending the drawings to the
\nPacific Rim. It will be interesting to see if this is the case…
\nmscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1555, from hmccracken, 389 chars, Sat Dec 29 09:11:06 1990
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\nI can’t imagine any animator will happily put down his or her drawing pencil
\nfor a mouse, graphics tablet, or other electronic instrument. The things
\njust don’t have any soul to them, and choice of pencil is a very personal
\ndecision. I have found that most animators are quite wary of computers in
\ngeneral, perhaps because they’re nervous that they might be replaced by
\nthem.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1556, from jshook, 724 chars, Sat Dec 29 09:18:21 1990
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\nOne of the things that will have to be invented before a tablet
\nreplaces pencil and paper is a way to rotate the drawing surface.
\nLook at a traditional animator’s drawing set-up. Notice that the
\ndrawing disc is just that–a disc that drops into a circular
\nopening so that it can be slid around to any angle. Manufacturers
\nof tablets and drawing stylii don’t seem to realise that being
\nable to re-orient the drawing surface relative to the hand is
\nessential, not just to animators, but to any artist. Many artists
\nI know report that they are not comfortable with the mouse, but are
\nsometimes disappointed with tablets. I think their disappointment
\ncomes in large part from their inability to rotate the tablet itself.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1557, from hmccracken, 649 chars, Sat Dec 29 10:00:42 1990
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\nI think that drawing with the mouse is almost a different cerebral
\naction than drawing with pencil and paper. I had been drawing with
\na mouse for many, many months before it dawned on me that I was using
\nmy right hand (I am left handed, but for reasons of deskspace and the
\nAmiga’s design have my mouse to the right of the keyboard). When I
\ntried switching to my left hand, I couldn’t draw as well as with my
\nright.<\/p>\n

I am unsure as to what real purpose would be served by having animators
\ndraw with an electronic device as opposed to scanning in traditional
\ndrawings. It would clearly save some money, but it hardly seems worth it.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1558, from kaminski, 181 chars, Sat Dec 29 18:55:08 1990
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\nI think drawing on a computer will ultimately give animators much greater
\ncontrol over the final product.<\/p>\n

Whether today’s input devices are up to the task is a different question.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1559, from switch, 162 chars, Sat Dec 29 19:34:10 1990
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\nYaaaargh. I draw with both a pencil and a mouse, but the 14 years of
\ndoodling have taken their toll. I’m much faster (and more expressive)
\nwith a pencil.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1560, from switch, 475 chars, Sat Dec 29 19:39:15 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1558.
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\nPart of the problem isn’t just input devices (although, as jshook pointed
\nout, a rotating surface is essential, and rotating a monitor is hard work),
\nbut drawing styles. When I draw (and especially when I’m working on an
\nanimation) I almost never draw a line or curve from point A to B — it’s
\ndefined by several small arcs which I blend together. I don’t see a
\ncomputer currently allowing me to do that — and that moving lines are what
\nmake my animation “breathe”.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1561, from switch, 269 chars, Sat Dec 29 19:40:42 1990
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\nI’m working on the fifth issue of my fanzine, Quark, and my hands are full
\nenough researching this article on Bubble Gum Crisis. Would anyone like to
\ntake a shot at fame, prestige, glory, and a free issue by writing a review of
\nthe Carl Stalling Project for me?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1562, from davemackey, 163 chars, Sun Dec 30 00:27:41 1990
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\nI’d love to, but I already wrote one that’s going to be in the
\nnext issue of “Animato!”. I shall defer to a fresh opinion.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1563, from switch, 132 chars, Sun Dec 30 13:35:48 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1562.
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\nS’allright; Kermit Woodall has agreed to do it. (Now, if I could
\njust find someone to pay for this thing being printed… \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1564, from davemackey, 413 chars, Sun Dec 30 20:55:10 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1557.
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\nComputer animation is at its best when replicating a
\nthree-dimensional texture, as has been done successfully by the
\nPixar group. But I don’t think you’re going to see a lot of
\napplications for the traditional two-dimensional type of
\ncel-based animation. I would not expect an old-line animator
\nwho’s been doing it on the paper for thirty, forty years to make
\nthat switch.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1565, from steven_edwards, 321 chars, Sun Dec 30 21:40:19 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1327.
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\nDoes anyone know of a good mail order source for laserdisc versions
\nof feature length animation? Trying to find this stuff in the stores is
\nnot very efficient. I’m thinking about getting a laserdisc player and so
\nI don’t want to spend a lot of money on VHS videotapes if the same thing is
\navailable on disc. — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1566, from switch, 319 chars, Sun Dec 30 23:40:50 1990
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\nLaser Perceptions and Laser Magic would probably do it. I’ll
\npost the information in \/sources if it’s not already there.<\/p>\n

You might also consider looking through animation\/listings for
\nfiles with the keyword ‘laser’. Some of the rec.arts.anime files
\nhave comments from customers of different mail order houses.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1567, from switch, 73 chars, Sun Dec 30 23:42:23 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1565.
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\nOh, yes, animation\/sources #112 also has another source, Animagik.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1568, from switch, 282 chars, Sun Dec 30 23:50:59 1990
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\nLast comment on this one: although most of the sources I listed
\nin \/sources say they have anime (Japanese animation) discs, most
\nif not all also carry other forms of animation on laserdisc, or can
\norder them. Also, Whole Toon Access have a few laserdiscs in their
\ncatalogue.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1569, from steven_edwards, 24 chars, Mon Dec 31 10:28:53 1990
\nThis is a comment to message 1568.
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\nMany thanks! — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1570, from hmccracken, 327 chars, Mon Dec 31 23:45:16 1990
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\nTITLE: Check out two handy new files in the listings, researched and
\ncontributed by Dave Mackey: ltmmcorr.txt is a list of corrections to
\nJerry Beck and Will Friedwald’s _Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies_, and
\nttasumry.txt is a guide to airings and re-airings of _Tiny Toon Adventures_
\nepisodes.<\/p>\n

Great stuff, Dave!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1571, from kaminski, 768 chars, Tue Jan 1 19:39:40 1991
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\nImagine a dream animation station: super hi-res rotatable flat screen set
\ninto the animation table; work-alike pencils, pens, brushes, etc. with
\nwhich to draw on the screen.<\/p>\n

The computer behind the screen runs the descendants of today’s best
\nanimation programs, but with 100 or 1000 times the CPU speed, memory,
\nstorage, etc. available now. The program has a human-friendly interface
\n(someday _people_ will be able to use computers, not just “users!” \ud83d\ude42 with
\nvoice or handwritten input.<\/p>\n

That’s just a quick off-the-top-of-the-head; add whatever else you’d like,
\nand you get the idea: sooner or later (20 or 30 years?) everybody’ll be
\ndrawing (and everything else) on a computer. (You’re right, though —
\ntoday’s oldtimers may not be around to make the switch.) .<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1572, from switch, 131 chars, Tue Jan 1 21:37:11 1991
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\nAnd I will probably be glad if I’m not around to see it take over. I have
\ntoo much love for the feel of pencil and paper…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1573, from kaminski, 166 chars, Tue Jan 1 22:25:26 1991
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\nAnticipatory nostalgia already, eh?<\/p>\n

At least the march of progress (along with providing really fun toys along
\nthe way) helps us focus on the simple things we love.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1574, from switch, 264 chars, Tue Jan 1 23:44:46 1991
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\nAnticipatory? Nah. I’ve always enjoyed the feel of pen\/pencil
\non paper. I don’t even have to be drawing, it could just be
\nrandom polygons.<\/p>\n

To tell the truth, I probably would use a device like the one
\ndesrcibed. But I’d still have my notepad with me.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1575, from hkenner, 192 chars, Wed Jan 2 01:23:44 1991
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\nI think the original idea was that the computer could handle
\nin-betweening: i.e. interpose 6 frams between pose 1 and pose 2.
\nAnyone have any insight on how well that works \/ would work?
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1576, from jshook, 3217 chars, Wed Jan 2 09:51:01 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1575.
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\nAutomatic computerised in-betweening is an AI problem that has yet
\nto be solved.
\nIt is relatively easy to create software that will interpolate line
\nsegments between points A and points B. But that is not what animators
\ndo when they in-between. The first problem is that animators do not
\nnaturally draw chracaters in distinct, computer-identifiable line
\nsegments. Forcing them to do so would make it easier for the computer
\nto do the in-betweening, but would not be natural for the animator.
\nSo a real in-betweening program would have to do this automatically,
\nand so would have to parse the drawing in such a way that it could
\ni\u0015dentify the character’s structure in order to figure out what lines
\n“belong” to what part of the character from drawing to drawing.
\nA bigger (!) problem is that even if this were possible, in-betwening is
\nnot a matter if direct spatial interpolation. Rarely does an animated
\ncharacter move all of its different body parts in even increments during
\na segment of motion. Different parts of the character will move at different
\nrates of acceleration and deceleration. These dynamics are what give the
\nanimation life (and they are what is so often missing from cheaply-
\nproduced animation). Traditional key-frame animators would encode the
\ndynamics for the in-betweeners using a sort of schematic which I will try to
\ndepict below:<\/p>\n

5
\n|
\n–|– 7
\n|
\n|
\n|
\n–|– 9
\n|
\n|
\n|
\n|
\n|
\n|<\/p>\n

11<\/p>\n

This tells the in-betweener that the key drawings 5 and 11 should be in-
\nbetweened with an accelerating dynamic.
\nEven this sort of diagram is a kind of short-hand. What it does not
\n(and cannot) show is the inherent understanding of motion that the in-
\nbetweener will bring to bear in making the intervening drawings. The diagram
\nencodes the general dynamics of the movement, but different parts of the
\ncharacter will reflect those dynamics in different ways. The in-betweener
\n(who is also an animator!) will bring to bear his or her skill and knowledge
\nof real-world physics and how they are used to characterise the figure by means
\nof exaggeration and emphasis. The chracteristic and indentifying kinds of
\nmovements that are used to personalise the figure will also be incorporated
\ninto the in-betweening.
\nI think the role of in-betwening in animation production is not well-
\nunderstood nor is the skill involved appreciated by those who assume that
\nthe task can be automated. A computerised in-betweening system would have
\nto be able to understand real-world physics, how those laws will be
\nmodified to produce the stylised dynamics of the animated characters and the
\nspecific personality of the character being animated. For a start.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1577, from switch, 463 chars, Wed Jan 2 11:45:53 1991
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\nAnimation packages (as well as illustration packages like Amiga’s
\nProDraw) have been able to “morph” between images for a while.
\nGiven that, it shouldn’t take that long to be able to work something
\nout that inbetweens. The only problem is that a computer inbetweens
\nin a rather harsh, calculating manner. There are times you want
\nto keep the mistakes in.<\/p>\n

Of course, this is the same argument that sampling and digital
\nmusical technology brought about…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1578, from dave.f, 314 chars, Wed Jan 2 12:01:03 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1554.
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\nHDTV is nowhere near the resolution of the vast majority of 35mm film stocks.
\nAt least any of the HDTV standards currently in use or proposed. The rgrain
\nof the film is not likely to be the limiting factor in resolution of the
\nfinal video image for a few more generations of the technology, I would
\nexpect.<\/p>\n

D=<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1579, from kaminski, 683 chars, Wed Jan 2 23:15:37 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1577.
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\nI agree with James: in-betweening (may I call it “tweening?”) is really
\nanimation, and requires a good understanding of how to represent real and
\ntoon physics with a few carefully-placed lines. It’ll be a while before
\ncomputers do it well. (Though slowing-in or slowing-out, by themselves,
\naren’t really difficult.)<\/p>\n

My solution, if I were designing my Magic Animation Station: get the
\nanimator to do it. Make it real easy to cut, paste, rotate, morph and
\ngenerally massage whatever key frames the animator needs — so easy that
\nthe animator will just end up drawing (or at least putting together and
\ntouching up) each frame. Computer-assisted tweening, instead of
\ncomputerized.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1580, from switch, 122 chars, Thu Jan 3 01:12:25 1991
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\nYeah, well, I said a computer would inbetween in a “harsh, calculating
\nmanner”. I was agreeing with James as well.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1581, from mscoville, 380 chars, Thu Jan 3 22:07:20 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1578.
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\nAccording to different references you were correct that HDTV is lower in
\nresolution than 35mm film stock. According to people I have talked to they
\nsay that the approx. resolution of 35mm is approximately 1800 with the new
\nDisney computerized animation coming off the computer at approx. 2,300. With
\nthe new technology, it is a definite limiting for the film stock.
\nmscoville
\n,<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1582, from davemackey, 786 chars, Sun Jan 6 08:32:40 1991
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\nTITLE: Another 50-tooner
\nStarmaker Entertainment, a video distributor which is based not
\nfar from where I live, has produced a tape called “50 Greatest
\nCartoons.” There is a little overlap from the tape I discussed
\nearlier in this section. But there are some pretty nice — and
\npretty strange things here. How about a one-minute puppet
\nanimation version of “Little Miss Muffet”? Some of Dave Detiege’s
\n“Three Stooges” cartoons with live-action wraparounds of Moe,
\nLarry and Curly Joe? “All This and Rabbit Stew,” the seldom-seen
\nracial Bugs Bunny cartoon? “The Enchanted Square,” a Paramount
\ncartoon that, in a better world, might have gotten an Oscar
\nnomination? All those, as well as the undisputed champ of PD
\ncartoons, “Yankee Doodle Daffy.”
\nTINAR –Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1583, from grekel, 106 chars, Sun Jan 6 12:43:21 1991
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\nI’ve seen the Stooge and Muffet pieces in a compilation tape put out by,
\nof all people, Avon.<\/p>\n

ding-dong.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1584, from davemackey, 1392 chars, Tue Jan 8 23:29:54 1991
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\nSeeing those Stooge cartoons again made me run for my copy of
\n“Three Stooges Scrapbook” (by the Lenburg boys and Joan Howard
\nMaurer), because I was fairly certain there had been some
\nattempts to animate the slapstick team in the past (excluding the
\nhomages that appeared in many Hollywood cartoons which are
\nwell-documented by the Lenburg bros).
\nNorman Maurer, who married Moe’s daughter, drew the first
\nStooge comic book and eventually became the team’s manager and
\nproducer\/director, first wanted to make Stooge cartoons in the
\nlate 50’s with Friz Freleng as producer, using a process called
\nArtiscope, in which live action film would be given the
\nappearance of drawings through an optical-chemical process. (Are
\nthere any surviving examples of this odd-sounding process?)
\nMaurer also used more traditional animation in a 1960 Stooges
\npilot that didn’t sell, but he dusted off the basic concept for
\nthe 1965 series of 156 cartoons and 40 live wraparounds.
\nThe cartoons weren’t too great (they sort of looked like
\ncheap UPA) but the live wraps were lots of fun, IMHO, even though
\nit was clear the Stooges were a little too old for such
\nfoolishness.
\n(Incidentally, one of Maurer’s sons is the talented and
\nprolific animation writer Jeffrey Scott, who wrote virtually
\nevery episode of “Muppet Babies” for its first two or three
\nseasons.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1585, from hmccracken, 231 chars, Wed Jan 9 22:38:59 1991
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\nI have seen what was allegedly a frame from an Artiscope film, and it was
\neither an incredible technique or a fraudulent one. Almost certainly the
\nlatter: the frame looked exactly one from an ordinary animated cartoon.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1586, from hmccracken, 308 chars, Thu Jan 10 19:36:48 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1549.
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\nI got a check today that seems to be one of the Looney Tunes checks you
\nrefer to. It has a pastel scene of Tweety and Sylvester laid in under the
\nbasic check information and is absolutely gorgeous. Good-looking enoughthat I might scrap my plain-jane checks I’m using now and get these if I
\ncan.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1587, from hmccracken, 373 chars, Thu Jan 10 19:38:57 1991
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\nTITLE: The Museum of Cartoon Art in Rye Brook, New York
\nwill be having a show of _Fantasia_ artwork from the collection of Mike and
\nJeanne Glad. It’s based on a show that recently was held in San Francisco,
\nbut while that show had about 100 pieces exhibited, this one will have
\nabout 200.<\/p>\n

The show starts some time in February; I’ll have to find out just when.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1588, from davemackey, 361 chars, Sat Jan 12 03:41:23 1991
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\nApparently, based on a photo elsewhere in the book showing the
\nBoys in “Artiscope make-up and costume,” it appears to me that
\nArtiscope appears to use a high-contrast black-and-white
\ntechnique.
\nUnless the patent is available for examination, one can
\nassume Mr. Maurer carried the “secret” of Artiscope to his grave.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1589, from hmccracken, 1185 chars, Sat Jan 12 19:53:14 1991
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\nTITLE: Idle Speculation Dept.
\nYou may have read in last week’s papers that Sony, now the corporate
\nparent of Columbia Pictures, is planning to build a Sonyland in
\nSouthern California to compete with Disneyland and the Universal
\nStudios Tour. This got me thinking: will they ransack the Columbia
\nfamily of cartoon characters for costumed characters to cavort
\naround the park?<\/p>\n

Probably not. Columbia’s own studio made a lot of films that don’t
\nseem to have been very popular when they were made and are
\ntoday totally forgotten. If Scrappy (from the 1930s) or the Fox
\nand the Crow (from the 1940s) wandered around the place, nobody
\nwould have any idea who they were. In the 1950s, Columbia
\ndistributed UPA’s cartoons — Mr. Magoo would certainly be
\nrecognized, but even Gerald McBoing Boing — the only other
\nUPA character that anybody remembers — would probably confuse
\nfolks.<\/p>\n

Of course, Columbia distributed the films of Walt Disney at one
\npoint in the 1930s, and I *think* they had something to do with
\nsome of Hanna-Barbera’s early TV cartoons (Dave Mackey should
\nbe able to confirm this). But both of those stables of characters
\nare taken as far as theme parks go.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1590, from davemackey, 697 chars, Sun Jan 13 06:04:28 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1589.
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\nColumbia did release Hanna-Barbera’s only theatrical cartoon
\nseries, “Loopy De Loop,” and its early TV series were produced in
\nassociation with Screen Gems, which was not only the name of
\nColPix’s television arm then, but also of its animation studio in
\nthe 30’s.
\nI don’t think we’ll see any major rush to revive Charles
\nMintz’ characters, not even the Fox and the Crow. You’re right
\nabout their characters being unmemorable.
\nLet’s see. If you rule out Disney and Warner characters
\n(Bugs and co. have long been affiliated with the Bally Six Flags
\ntheme parks), and the Hanna-Barbera characters now seemingly
\nassociated with Universal, who’s left?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1591, from hkenner, 423 chars, Sun Jan 13 17:10:17 1991
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\nTITLE: Sylvester’s name …
\nI’ve just been informed that the official name of the house-cat is
\nFelis sylvestris catus, making it a sub-species of the European
\nforest-cat, Felis sylvestris. (Sylvae were Latin woods.) According
\nto Schneider’s *That’s All, Folks!* (p.194) the cat was named Thomas,
\nas in tomcat, as late as 1947. At which point some erudite jokester
\nat Termite Terrace would seem to have interposed.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1592, from hmccracken, 514 chars, Sun Jan 13 18:02:27 1991
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\nHmmm. The Lantz characters, too, are associated with Universal.
\nSo are the Harvey\/Famous Studios ones, since MCA’s purchase of
\nan interest in Harvey. Popeye is featured at some obscure
\nCalifornia park.<\/p>\n

The Terry characters are free, I believe (they were the stars of
\nthe bizarre New England Playworld park I’ve mentioned before),
\nas are the Fleischer ones — Betty Boop might have some appeal —
\nand the MGM ones (although MGM is constructing a studio park
\nin Las Vegas).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1593, from hmccracken, 217 chars, Sun Jan 13 18:04:10 1991
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\nInteresting! I’ve known for a long time where Felix got *his* name,
\nbut this is new to me. Presumably MGM was not too happy about
\nWarner’s having a cat named Thomas, which may have led to the
\nname change.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1594, from hmccracken, 993 chars, Sun Jan 13 18:10:32 1991
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\nTITLE: Don’t Rush Out and Buy This Book
\nLeonard Moseley’s _Disney’s World_, a biography of Walt Disney,
\nhas been recently reissued in paperback. The only reason to
\nbuy it is if you’ve got a perverse interest in bad biographies:
\nthe book is rife with mistakes that suggest Moseley knows very
\nlittle about his chosen subject (surprising considering that
\nhe’s written many. many biographies). He gets confused about
\nwhether certain Disney films are animated or live-action,
\ncompresses different people into one person because they’ve
\ngot the same last name, and happily repeats every apocryphal
\nstory he ever heard about Disney as fact. Worse yet, he’ll
\ndevote pages to detailed dialogue between, say, Walt and Roy
\nDisney in 1929 that he’s obviously created out of whole
\ncloth.<\/p>\n

Can you tell that I’m not a fan of this book? I think it’s
\namazing that we don’t have a really good and comprehensive
\nbiography of the single most important person in the history
\nof animated film yet.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1595, from morganfox, 59 chars, Sun Jan 13 19:19:22 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1591.
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\nEr..isn’t it that ‘Sylvae’ is Latin for woods\/forest?
\n\ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1596, from morganfox, 38 chars, Sun Jan 13 19:20:35 1991
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\nHarry, you’re talking to yourself. \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1597, from hmccracken, 188 chars, Sun Jan 13 19:33:45 1991
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\nNot the first time I’ve been accused of talking to myself.
\nThis is what happens when you “reply last” while forgetting
\nthat you just added a message yourself to the same topic.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1598, from morganfox, 64 chars, Sun Jan 13 19:35:28 1991
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\n\ud83d\ude42 and it is certainly one way of enduring a good conversation!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1599, from morganfox, 99 chars, Sun Jan 13 19:36:58 1991
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\nAck! the perils of typin with a parrot on your hand. Endures=ensures.
\nmorgan, with Opus assisting.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1600, from hmccracken, 99 chars, Sun Jan 13 20:30:48 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1598.
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\nFunny, a lot of people have trouble enduring *any* conversation with
\nme, good or not…
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1601, from hmccracken, 170 chars, Sun Jan 13 20:32:01 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1599.
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\nYou type with a parrot in your hand? Really? I wonder if that’s
\neasier or harder than typing with an elderly Brittany Spaniel
\nin your lap, as I sometimes do.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1602, from morganfox, 314 chars, Sun Jan 13 21:05:24 1991
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\nHarry, I have mulitple handy-caps(er..pets) to deal with. Opus (the parrot)
\nlike to walk down from my shoulder to my hand and argue with my typing.
\n<Hey, she could be right. \ud83d\ude09 > And one of several cats is occupying lap
\nspace. And when said parrot is trying to bite lap cat’s ear….chaos!
\nAin’t pets wonderful?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1603, from hkenner, 185 chars, Sun Jan 13 22:03:05 1991
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\nTITLE: Mel Blanc
\n..died, as I remember, the same week as L. Olivier. I’m teased by
\nthe recollection that there was a third in that cluster. A musician,
\nmaybe? Anyone remember?
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1604, from hmccracken, 328 chars, Sun Jan 13 22:48:37 1991
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\nMel and Laurence died, I think, within a day or so of each other.
\nIt’s hard to make too much of that fact without sounding like a
\nlooney cartoon fan, but it seems reasonable to say that each was
\nthe master of his particular type of acting. I don’t remember
\nwhether a musician died at the same time; Horowitz, maybe?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1605, from switch, 231 chars, Sun Jan 13 22:56:32 1991
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\nI don’t have much trouble with the cat in my lap, but it does
\nget to be a bother when I’m eating and trying to keep her from
\neating what’s in the bowl while typing… and her walking around
\non my lap is a tad more difficult.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1606, from davemackey, 318 chars, Sun Jan 13 23:02:28 1991
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\nDoes that explain your creative grammar last night in
\nelfquest\/dreamberries? There was one sentence there I just
\ncouldn’t believe. It went something like “any what good reason
\nwho anyone have to write “for a good time call.”” It brought a
\nlightness to the heavy subject matter.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1607, from morganfox, 85 chars, Mon Jan 14 11:08:52 1991
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\nLOL Dave! Yes, I recall that one myself. And Yes, it was due to Opus, er..
\nhelping.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1608, from hmccracken, 252 chars, Mon Jan 14 19:25:55 1991
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\nTITLE: Check out the marketing section of today’s
\n_Wall Street Journal_ for a long and interesting article
\non all the prime-time cartoon shows in the works —
\n_Family Dog_, _The Pink Panther_, _Bebe’s Children_,
\n_Terrible Tunes_, and others.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1609, from davemackey, 230 chars, Tue Jan 15 00:23:12 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1603.
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\nHugh, I believe Jim Backus died the same week as Mel Blanc,
\nbecause I remember making note of it on my WB cartoon list under
\n“A Lad In His Lamp,” which Backus and Blanc both did voices for.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1610, from davemackey, 198 chars, Tue Jan 15 00:23:23 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1607.
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\nIt also seemed as if you were trying to set a new Guinness record
\nfor most posts in a topic in one evening. I log on, there’s 78
\nnew messages there. Amazing.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1611, from davemackey, 333 chars, Tue Jan 15 00:23:45 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1271.
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\nTiny Toon merchandising continues. There are now kiddy valentines
\nwhich are really quite chintzier than the valentines I remember
\ngiving all of the little girls in the third grade. Someone got
\na box for me, thinking I’d be interested. (Wonder how they’d go
\nover with the girls in the office.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1612, from richard.pini, 235 chars, Tue Jan 15 17:52:34 1991
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\nTITLE: Little Mermaid prices
\nIf anyone is interested, and if no one else has the info, I just got the
\nlist of realized prices from the LM auction at Sotheby’s. Anyone who wants
\nto know what a particular piece went for, reply or email.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1613, from steven_edwards, 50 chars, Tue Jan 15 18:22:36 1991
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\nWhat were the prices for lot numbers 67 and 196?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1614, from richard.pini, 273 chars, Wed Jan 16 10:32:07 1991
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\nLot 67 went for $8800 (keep in mind that this includes the 10% buyer’s
\npremium, whatever the heck that’s supposed to mean – if it’s the gallery
\ncommission, say so; it it’s the price of admission, say so!) so the cel itself
\nwent for $8000. Lot 196 went for $11000 ($10000).<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1615, from davemackey, 763 chars, Wed Jan 16 19:11:23 1991
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\nTITLE: Studio Stores
\nThere was a short, interesting article on studio stores in the
\ncurrent issue of Electronic Media, and two animation-related
\nfacts were passed along.
\n(1) The 20th Century-Fox store, which is open to studio
\nemployees only, specially commissions Simpsons merchandise which
\nis available nowhere else. (This is something for Simpsons
\ncompletists and toy collectors to take into consideration.)
\n(2) While most studio stores’ best sellers are mugs and
\nt-shirts with the studio logo, Warner Bros. reports that it’s
\nmost popular items are anything having to do with Bugs Bunny and
\nthe world of Looney Tunes (and unlike Fox and other studio
\nstores, WB makes its items available to the general public).
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1616, from steven_edwards, 373 chars, Wed Jan 16 22:05:18 1991
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\nThanks for the information. While a five figure price may seem a bit
\nhigh, it is possible that these (among the other 200 plus pieces) may sell
\nfor much more in the future. I make this prediction because they most likely
\nrepresent the very last feature length animation made using cel technology.
\nWho would want to frame a floppy disk and hang it on the wall? — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1617, from mscoville, 529 chars, Thu Jan 17 00:16:59 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1614.
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\nRe: Little Mermaid Auction
\nThe auction prices are interesting because overall there were fewer numbers
\nof items auctioned in comparason with Roger Rabbit. The average price of
\na piece of art was $3,500.00 which was higher than the overall average for
\nthe infamous Roger Rabbit sale. It will be interesting to see what Disney
\n>will charge for the wholesale\/retail of the cels from the Little Mermaid
\nwhich will come out next Christmas. Also, the bidding was good, but not the’
\nfeeding frenzy that occured with Roger.
\nmscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1618, from davemackey, 370 chars, Thu Jan 17 13:58:30 1991
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\nIn the instance you mentioned, Richard, the final hammered bid
\nwas $8000. The purchaser then pays the auction house that price
\nplus a ten percent commission, which I presume the house pockets
\nto help pay salaries, rent, and other overhead.
\nThe terminology “buyer’s fee” and “commission” are
\ninterchangeable in this instance.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1619, from davemackey, 1034 chars, Mon Jan 21 19:18:14 1991
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\nTITLE: Kids Only Cartoon Theater
\nNewsweek, in its January 21, 1991 edition, reported on a new
\nconcept in electronic babysitting: Kids Only Cartoon Theater. The
\nparents leave their kids (ages 3-12) there for a fee. The kid
\ngets an ID bracelet and the parent gets a beeper, both barcoded.
\nWhile the parent shops, the kid watches cartoons (primarily Bugs
\nBunny and Daffy Duck). If the kid gets cranky, or the maximum
\ntwo-hour period has expired, the parent is beeped. The parent
\ngets his\/her kid back only if the ID numbers on beeper and kid
\nmatch.
\nThe first of these have been built in Illinois and Arizona,
\nwith the chain’s owner, American Cartoon Theaters, planning on
\nbuilding 40 more in malls this year… but not without opposition
\nfrom child care activists and the state of California which wants
\nthem licensed as day-care centers (one of whom was a little
\nconcerned about “a different form of watching television as a
\nbaby-sitting arrangement.”).
\nQuestion, thought or comment?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1620, from davemackey, 292 chars, Mon Jan 21 19:18:30 1991
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\nTITLE: Friz Freleng and ants
\nFriz Freleng cartoons having to do with ants (a partial list):
\n“The Fighting 69-1\/2th” (1941)
\n“The Gay Anties” (1947)
\n“Ballot Box Bunny” (1950)
\n“Ant Pasted” (1953)
\n“The Ant And The Aardvark” (1968)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1621, from hmccracken, 157 chars, Mon Jan 21 19:27:12 1991
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\nThis sounds like a very high-tech version of the little cartoon
\nbooths where, as a kid, I’d watch obscure Lantz and Terry cartoons
\nfor a quarter.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1622, from switch, 122 chars, Mon Jan 21 20:01:55 1991
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\nI’d say it’s a great idea, but I’m biased in favor of kids watching
\nLooney Tunes from a young age.<\/p>\n

Emru (Bugs for prez!)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1623, from davemackey, 394 chars, Mon Jan 21 22:07:20 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1596.
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\nThat’s not at all unusual around here. I will sometimes post a
\nmessage which will briefly touch on a topic and promise more
\ninformation when I know it, then I’ll post a comment to the same
\nmessage. We’re all sane, well-adjusted people who just happen to
\nhave two personality abberations: (1) the love of cartoons and
\n(2) the desire to talk to ourselves.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1624, from davemackey, 2098 chars, Mon Jan 21 22:08:04 1991
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\nI have since found out (by reading the Walter Lantz interview in
\na new book on animation art collecting called “Cel Magic”) that
\nLantz still owned the rights to his characters up until a
\nfew years ago when he sold out to MCA, parent company of
\nUniversal (and now owned by Matsushita). Lantz always maintained
\nhis studio as an independent entity and copyrighted the
\ncharacters in his name — many years before the concept of
\n“creator ownership” was prevalent in independent comics.
\nFurther continuing the discussion of cartoon characters in
\ntheme parks…
\nHanna-Barbera characters would not be routinely found at the
\nUniversal Studios. A more likely venue for them is HB’s
\nown King’s Dominion park which I think is in Virginia.
\nThe Warner Bros. characters at Six Flags parks dates back
\nto Marriott’s ownership of Great America in Santa Clara, CA and
\ntwo other parks, in Gurney, Ill. and Bethesda, Md which are
\nprobably now part of the Six Flags family of parks (from Nardone
\ninterview of Bob McKimson in Peary\/Peary; the conglomerate’s
\nlinchpin is the Six Flags Over Texas theme park, and Bally
\nbought the whole mess a few years ago).
\nAt the same time, Warner Bros. actually operated its own
\ntheme park in West Milford, New Jersey called Warner Bros.
\nJungle Habitat. Like some of the Six Flags parks, this one
\ncombined carnival rides with drive-through safari, with the
\nLooney Tunes gang sprinkled throughout. It couldn’t take the
\ncompetition from such nearby attractions as Dorney Park and
\nGreat Adventure (which is also now a Six Flags park), so it
\nclosed in the late 70’s. I would think that Warner’s had a
\nregional licensing structure for theme parks.
\nAnd weren’t the Hallmark Shirt Tales characters associated
\nwith Knott’s Berry Farm at some point?
\nFinally, the matter of Keansburg (NJ) Amusement Park. This
\nmotley collection of carney rides and skeeball games uses Porky
\nPig as its mascot, and road signs with the Pig are not uncommon
\naround this area. I don’t think we get very many WB lawyers
\nvacationing in this area.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1625, from hmccracken, 804 chars, Mon Jan 21 22:16:53 1991
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\nUnless I miss my mark, Universal originally owned the Lantz
\ncharacters, but turned them over to Lantz himself in the
\nmid-1950s, when he reallied himself with that studio after
\na brief period when he destributed through United Artists.
\nThis is detailed in Joe Adamson’s _Walter Lantz Story_.<\/p>\n

The Looney Tunes gang appeared at Playland in Rye Brook, New
\nYork (not far from the Museum of Cartoon Art) when the place
\nwas run by Mariott in the 1970s. They were followed, for a
\nbrief period, by Richie Rich and Casper. (The Harvey characters
\nalso appeared at Palisades Park in New Jersey (?),
\nwell remembered by readers of late 1960s\/early 1970s comic
\nbooks for its ads that offered free-ride coupons that we’d
\nnever get to use. Leastways those of us who lived in Oregon
\ndidn’t get to use them.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1626, from jshook, 207 chars, Mon Jan 21 22:55:26 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1619.
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\nSeems to me like an kids-only version of the cartoon theatre
\nthat used to be in one of the London train stations (Victoria,
\nI think). Adults were alowed in those, but of course you were
\non your own….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1627, from davemackey, 881 chars, Tue Jan 22 21:10:38 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1625.
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\nPalisades Amusement Park, just the other side of the river inew
\nJersey, is quite fondly remembered by people a few years older
\nthan me and older. They had great radio commercials (running
\nquite a bit on Music Radio WABC) urging you to “Come onnnnn
\noverrrrr!” You could also take the buses operated by Public
\nService Coordinated Transport to the park: “Public Service sure
\nis great\/takes you right up to the gate!” And Chuck Barris
\n(that’s right, the Gong Show man) thought enough of the place to
\nwrite a hit record about it.
\nUnfortunately, I was never old enough or close enough to
\never actually GO to Palisades Park. They tore it down for condos
\nin the late 1960’s. WABC’s now a talk station, the Public Service
\nbuses have been replaced by NJ Transit, and Chuck Barris retired
\nto the South of France.
\nFunny how the world changes.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1628, from morganfox, 36 chars, Tue Jan 22 21:35:24 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1627.
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\nSo is there a Le Gong Show now? \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1629, from hmccracken, 167 chars, Tue Jan 22 22:45:55 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1628.
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\nParagon Park, the most beloved Massachusetts amusement park, was
\nalso torn down for condos. The condos went bankrupt.<\/p>\n

Justice, in other words, prevailed.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1630, from davemackey, 138 chars, Wed Jan 23 19:09:35 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1621.
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\n> as a kid
\nI thought I heard somewhere you were trying to sneak into
\none of those last week!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1631, from hkenner, 199 chars, Wed Jan 23 21:23:35 1991
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Coyote timing
\nSomewhere, in a published source which I somehow cannot locate,
\nChuck Jones details the timing, in frames, for the coyote falling
\noff the cliff. Can anyone point me to it?
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1632, from davemackey, 300 chars, Fri Jan 25 00:33:06 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1631.
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\nDo you mean as when the Coyote is seen from above, falling into
\nthe chasm, with a silent thud at the end? Or just a regular
\nside shot of Coyote? I do think Jones eventually standardized the
\ntiming of this particular gag; I would have to go back to the
\ntapes and check.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1633, from hkenner, 126 chars, Fri Jan 25 00:44:24 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1632.
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\nFrom above, and thud. Jones somewhere spells out the standard timing.
\nI am maddened by my inability to find it.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1634, from hmccracken, 507 chars, Fri Jan 25 19:12:08 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1633.
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\nMystery solved, at least sort of:
\n“I found that if the Coyote fell off a cliff, it would take
\neighteen frames for him to disappear, then fourteen frames
\nlater, he would hit. It seemed to me that thirteen frames
\ndidn’t work in terms of humor, and neither did fifteen
\nframes; fourteen frames got a laugh.”
\n— Chuck Jones, as quoted in Charles Solomon’s _Enchanted
\nDrawings_, p. 158.<\/p>\n

Solomon seems to be quoting from some unnamed source, but this
\nmust be what you’re looking for.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1635, from hmccracken, 1061 chars, Sat Jan 26 10:17:52 1991
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\nTITLE: Nifty News
\nThe upcoming series of Rocky and Bullwinkle tapes will include one
\nall-Dudley Do Right volume. Since for some reason the syndicated
\nBullwinkle show doesn’t show many Dudley episodes, and Dudley
\ngets my vote as funniest TV cartoon series of all time (with
\nincomparably good voices!), this makes me very happy.<\/p>\n

I will be even happier if one of the tapes includes the Mr. Peabody
\nepisode in which he and Sherman travel back to help Alexander
\nGraham Bell invent the telephone. You may not be aware that
\nBell was a professor at Boston University at the time of his
\ninvention — but as a BU alum and former employee, I certainly
\nam. And so were the folks at the Jay Ward studios, since most
\nof the episode is set at BU and involves a football game there.
\nThe temptation for we BU grads to grow envious of our friends
\nat a couple of universities across the Charles River is great —
\nbut I don’t think either Harvard or MIT ever figured so
\nprominently in a Jay Ward cartoon. I am intensely proud.
\n(I have seen this cartoon only once.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1637, from rjenks, 585 chars, Sun Jan 27 03:49:44 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1566.
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\nLaser Perceptions is good, but through some dealings with them their true
\nvideo pirates! They or someone working their offered me S-VHS copies off the
\nLasers for 2\/3 the price of the disk. I am very much against this practice
\nand doI try to keep myself from ordering my Laser Disks from their often. The
\nstore I like to order disks from is Animagik or Nikaku Animart. Animagik has
\na limited back stock, but will order anything for you and will usually have
\nit within a month. (If the disk is still in print) Plus Animagik is about 5%
\ncheaper than Laser Perceptions (Misconceptions)!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1638, from hmccracken, 923 chars, Sun Jan 27 13:43:27 1991
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: According to _The New York Times_, the
\nMuseum of Cartoon Art will be moving from Rye Brook, New
\nYork to Boca Raton, Florida sometime in the fairly near future.
\nThe museum has been trying to move to a larger building
\nfor some time now, and the city of Boca Raton has given them
\na million-dollar piece of land. (A cynical friend of mine suggested
\nthat Mort Walker and some of the other cartoonists involved in
\nrunning the museum enjoy golfing in Florida as another reason
\nfor the move.)<\/p>\n

I’ve visited the museum six or seven times, in both its present
\nlocation at Ward’s Castle and an earlier, smaller one in
\nGreenwich, Connecticut. I’ll have to make at least one more
\nvisit before the move (the upcoming _Fantasia_ show will
\nbe a good excuse to do so). If you live anywhere at all near
\nthe present museum and haven’t been, now’s your chance.
\nIf you’re a Floridian, you have something to look forward to.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1639, from richard.pini, 106 chars, Sun Jan 27 17:00:15 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1638.
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\nDamn! We’ve gone there often, and enjoyed their shows greatly. We’ll miss
\nhaving them just down the road.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1640, from hmccracken, 482 chars, Sun Jan 27 17:24:25 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1639.
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\nWell, Wendy will need to visit the new place to recreate her work on
\nthe ladies’ room wall, unless they’re planning on taking their rest rooms
\nwith them…<\/p>\n

(Note to those who haven’t been to the museum: the rest room walls
\nare covered with drawings from cartoonists who have visited the
\nplace; the doors are left open when the rooms aren’t in use. Not surprisingly,
\nthe ladies’ room has somewhat fewer drawings and none as gross as a few
\nof the ones in the mens’ room.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1641, from richard.pini, 235 chars, Sun Jan 27 20:46:54 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1640.
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\nAnd \u001b[AWendy was the *first* one asked to ‘contribute’ to the ladies’room…
\nI wonder what they will do with those walls? If it were me, I’d try to cut
\nthem out intact and bring them along. Some of those artists are no longer
\nwith us.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1642, from hmccracken, 490 chars, Mon Jan 28 01:06:08 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1641.
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\nIt would be a shame to see them go. Have you ever been to
\nCostello’s Bar in NYC? It has some murals by Thurber that were
\nmoved when the bar moved to its present location (unfortunately
\nthey’ve been retouched by someone who’s no Thurber). The
\nplace also has a mural wall with contributions by lots of famous
\ncartoonists, a framed Walt Kelly original, and lots of other neat
\nstuff. Everyone from Hemingway to Marilyn Monroe seems to
\nhave frequented the place during its heyday.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1643, from richard.pini, 123 chars, Mon Jan 28 12:15:25 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1642.
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\nAny way to find out if taking the walls is in the plan? I realize it would be
\na semi-major proposition, but nonetheless…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1644, from steven_edwards, 289 chars, Mon Jan 28 17:18:04 1991
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Listings Problems?<\/p>\n

I downloaded “animation.txt” from the listings area using XModem via
\nHayes Smartcom II software, and the resulting file had all of the text except
\nfor line break characters. It looked like a single, very long line. Is this
\na problem of my software? — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1645, from dave.f, 301 chars, Mon Jan 28 19:03:32 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1644.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nDepends what your computer expects for an end-of-line marker. I believe
\nUNIX (and therefore BIX) uses CR. If your machine needs CR+LF, that could
\nbe the problem. Xmodem does not conversion ont he fly, the way Kermit does.
\nIt just sends exactly what is in the file, whether it’s text or binary.<\/p>\n

D=<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1646, from steven_edwards, 364 chars, Mon Jan 28 19:48:27 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1645.
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\n————————–
\nThank you for your comment. Most Unixes use LF (hex 0x0a) for a
\nnewline character, while msdos uses 0x0d 0x0a (= O D O A = Oh, Dead On
\nArrival; easy to remember for microsoft). I will try another protocol, but
\nI still think that there’s some problem with the file. My machine is a Mac
\nwhich uses 0x0d but can convert — if there is something to convert from.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1647, from hmccracken, 123 chars, Mon Jan 28 19:58:27 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1646.
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\nSteve, I’ll try downloading the file onto my Mac using different software —
\nand will report back on what I get.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1648, from davemackey, 1059 chars, Tue Jan 29 00:40:40 1991
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\nTITLE: New videos from Disney and HB
\nUpcoming video releases from Hanna-Barbera Home Video and Walt
\nDisney Home Video.<\/p>\n

(1) Hanna-Barbera is releasing “The Flintstones Anniversary
\nCollection,” celebrating the 30th anniversary of the Modern
\nStone-Age Family a year late. Two single-episode tapes,
\n“Samantha” and “The Great Gazoo,” are priced at $9.95 each, as
\nare the compilation video “A Page Right Out Of History” and the
\ninstructional video “How To Draw The Flintstones.” “The First
\nEpisodes” will be reissued at the new lower price of $19.95, and
\nfinally “The Man Called Flintstone” will make its homevideo debut
\nat $19.95. These tapes will be released on March 21.<\/p>\n

(2) From Walt Disney, continuation of two established videotape
\nseries. The new entry in “Sing-Along Songs” is called “I Love To
\nLaugh,” and there are two new “Chip ‘N’ Dale’s Rescue Rangers”
\ntapes, “Danger Rangers” and “Super Sleuths” both with two
\nepisodes of the series. Price of all three tapes is $12.99, and
\ntheir release date is February 22.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1649, from kermitwoodall, 94 chars, Wed Jan 30 19:30:47 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1645.
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\nHey! I don’t do conversions on the fly. I do ’em on the occasional gnat tho.<\/p>\n

Kermit Woodall<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1650, from davemackey, 265 chars, Wed Jan 30 21:01:08 1991
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\nTITLE: Skat Kat’s bak!
\nMC Skat Kat, who danced with Paula Abdul in the video for
\n“Opposites Attract,” will be taking center stage in his own music
\nvideo, “Skat Strut.” Once again, Michael Patterson is handling
\nthe animation.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1651, from davemackey, 510 chars, Fri Feb 1 21:15:04 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1635.
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\nThe reason is that “Dudley Do-Right” is presently distributed by
\nThe Program Exchange (which is part of the Saatchi & Saatchi
\nadvertising agency) as a show unto itself, which includes as
\npadding material “King Leonardo,” “Hunter” and “Commander
\nMcBragg” cartoons. It runs in New York City on Channel 7 at 7:30
\na.m.
\nSyndicated “Bullwinkle” shows are more likely to include
\n“Peabody’s Improbable History,” “Fractured Fairy Tales” and the
\nlike as supporting features.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1652, from davemackey, 602 chars, Sun Feb 3 15:13:42 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1651.
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\nAs long as we’re talking about “Dudley,” Channel 7 in New
\nYork pulled a real boner yesterday. The show consists of a
\nDudley, a Leonardo, a Hunter and another Dudley (with McBragg
\nafter each Leonardo and Hunter). Show started at 7:30 with the
\nDudley. Then after a break, the Leonardo. Then another
\ncommercial break. Then they show the Leonardo again. Same one.
\nThen a commercial break, and the Hunter cartoon follows. Halfway
\nthrough the McBragg, the show ends.
\nIt’s not just stations in small markets, even the big guys
\nscrew up every once in a while.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1653, from hmccracken, 896 chars, Sun Feb 3 20:20:41 1991
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\nTITLE: I’ve been reading, and enjoying, a book called _Cel Magic_, which
\nis as far as I know the first one on the topic of collecting original
\nanimation art. The format is a bunch of chapters on various topics —
\nprofiles of several studios, an interview with Disney archivist David
\nSmith, a piece on investment values by our own Mike (mscoville) Scoville,
\nand others. A lot of the information is fairly elementary, but there
\nwas quite a bit that was new to me (and I think that there are a lot
\nof folks who are interested in cel collecting who could use a basic
\neducation like the one the book provides).<\/p>\n

The format is quite attractive, with lots of color pictures. My only
\nserious criticism is that the book could have used a bit more proofreading,
\nbut it’s hardly alone in that. I don’t have a price or ordering information
\nfor the book, but I think Mike probably does…Mike?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1654, from richard.pini, 39 chars, Sun Feb 3 23:43:44 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1653.
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\nYes, would love to find such a book…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1656, from jshook, 349 chars, Sun Feb 3 23:56:12 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1655.
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\nDoes the book have any advice on care and preservation?
\nAbout ten years ago someone called me for information about
\nwhat to do with a cel from Snow White with flaking paint.
\nTo me this was like getting a call from the Vatican looking
\nfor advice on cleaning the Sistine Chapel (I would suggest
\nformula 409). I told him to call the Disney archiives.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1658, from hmccracken, 231 chars, Mon Feb 4 00:16:51 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1656.
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\nYes, it has a good chapter on cel preservation. Which I could have
\nused a long time ago: the only Disney cel I ever owned fell apart due
\nto poor storage. Since I only paid $4.00 for it, I can’t complain
\ntoo bitterly.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1659, from hkenner, 95 chars, Mon Feb 4 17:21:30 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1658.
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\nWell, Harry, you obviously have a copy. So please tell us author,
\nfull title, publisher.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1660, from hmccracken, 161 chars, Mon Feb 4 19:28:27 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1659.
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\n_Cel Magic: Collecting Animation Art_
\nby R. Scott Edwards & Bob Stobener
\nPublished by Laughs Unlimited Inc.
\n1124 Firehouse Alley
\nSacramento, CA 95814
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1661, from hkenner, 15 chars, Mon Feb 4 19:49:26 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1660.
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\nThanks, Herry!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1662, from davemackey, 611 chars, Mon Feb 4 21:23:28 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1653.
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\nI am in almost total agreement with your assessment of the book.
\nUnfortunately, I found the interview with Walt Lantz mentioned in
\na previous message pretty weak stuff. Good interviewers know when
\nto stray from their organized list of questions and ask some
\nnew questions based on what the party being interviewed has just
\nsaid.
\nBut the authors have a thorough knowledge of their intended
\nsubject matter — animation art collecting, and they impart the
\nbasics of the craft very successfully — a much needed textbook
\nfor an extremely complicated little hobby.
\nTINAR
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1664, from davemackey, 958 chars, Tue Feb 5 01:02:20 1991
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\nTITLE: Dots, lines…
\nWhen browsing in my not-quite-so-local bookstore the other
\nevening, I happened on a pleasant surprise — Norton Juster’s
\nbook “The Dot And The Line: A Romance In Lower Mathematics” has
\njust recently been reprinted. It is priced at $7.95 and your
\nlocal bookdealer should be able to special order it if it isn’t
\nin stock. (For those few people who don’t know the significance
\nof this book in the animation conference, an animated adaptation
\nproduced by Chuck Jones for MGM won the 1965 Academy Award for
\nBest Animated Short Subject.)
\nBe sure to check the remainder tables for books you may have
\npassed up at full price. I picked up Jack Kinney’s “Walt Disney
\nAnd Assorted Other Characters” for a substantial discount, and
\nit’s an amusing account of Kinney’s years at the Mouse Factory,
\nconcentrating on the 1930’s and 1940’s and the many strange,
\ntwisted, talented people he worked alongside.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1665, from hkenner, 51 chars, Tue Feb 5 12:18:18 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1664.
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\nDave, who’s the publisher of The Dot and the Line?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1666, from davemackey, 2274 chars, Tue Feb 5 19:07:00 1991
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\nTITLE: “Bugs Bunny On Broadway”
\nThe soundtrack to “Bugs Bunny On Broadway” has been released and
\nshould be popping up in record stores about now. Being the sheep
\nI am, I got mine right away.
\nLike the stage show it’s derived from, some
\nmusical selections are newly performed by George Daugherty’s
\norchestra, and others are short selections from the soundtracks
\nof certain cartoons with original music, voices and sound effects
\n— and one, “Rabbit Of Seville” is a mix of both.
\nAs much as we raked Mr. Daugherty over the coals when we
\nsaw the stage show (and complained of some of the lack of
\ntightness, among other things), you really have to give him a
\nbig hand here for championing the brilliant work of both Carl
\nStalling and, finally getting his day in the sun, Milt Franklyn.
\nUnlike a stage show, you only get 78 minutes on a CD to do your
\nthing, and you have to choose your repertoire accordingly.
\nDuplication between this album and “The Carl Stalling
\nProject” is minimal, with the major overlap being the complete
\nscore (no sound effects or voices) to “Jumpin’ Jupiter,” much of
\nwhich is heard in the Anxiety Montage on the Stalling collection.
\nDaugherty takes his time here, interpreting the score to a
\nsix-minute Merrie Melodie in seven and one half minutes!
\nThe 55-piece orchestra was recorded at Power Station in New
\nYork City late in 1990. This includes sound effects and some new
\nvoice tracks, with Noel Blanc doing Porky’s sign off at album’s
\nend. As for packaging, Daugherty writes his own liner notes,
\nalong with an essay by Chuck Jones describing the stage show.
\nA thought. Those who like to play devil’s advocate may think
\nthat the whole idea of the Bugs Bunny On Broadway show runs
\ncounter to comments many of us has made regarding tampering with
\nthe visuals, that it shouldn’t even be tried. Daugherty is a
\nperfectionist, a student of the form, and a man who truly loves
\nthese cartoons he’s resoundtracked. Unlike those who wish to
\ntake away and debase the body of work, Daugherty enhances our
\nenjoyment of the films in his special way.
\nAnd the album is reflective of that philosophy.
\nAs we like to say here, This Is Not A Review. Rather, a very
\nstrong recommendation. BUY THIS.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1667, from hmccracken, 509 chars, Tue Feb 5 19:20:47 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1666.
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\nI don’t find Daugherty’s work comparable to the TV censorings of
\nWarner’s cartoons at all. The various cuttings and re-edits for
\nTV are being done because the folks at Warner’s are embarassed
\nof the cartoons and want to pretend that certain aspects of them
\nnever existed; they have nothing to do with art. Daugherty, on
\nthe other hand, is doing something that’s interesting and artistic
\nand which makes no claim to supercede the original versions of the
\ncartoons. I’ll have to get the recording.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1668, from davemackey, 137 chars, Tue Feb 5 19:27:58 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1665.
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\nWould you believe I don’t know, because I didn’t pick the book
\nup. Will try to find out for you.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1669, from bsoron, 146 chars, Tue Feb 5 22:01:38 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1666.
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Dave, for us completists, do you know if the tape has anything the
\nCD doesn’t? And for us old fogeys, do you know if there’s a vinyl
\nedition?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1670, from hmccracken, 374 chars, Tue Feb 5 22:44:20 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1668.
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\nI too flipped through the book but didn’t buy. Having seen the
\nJones adaptation, I was struck by how totally faithful to the book
\nit was — and yet the element of movement added something that
\nwasn’t there in the printed work. A much more successful adaptation
\nthan Jones’s laster feature-length _The Phantom Tollbooth_ (based
\non another book by Norton Juster).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1671, from mscoville, 656 chars, Wed Feb 6 00:19:56 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1666.
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\nFurther Travels of Bugs On Broadway.
\nI talked with the show’s producer and he informed me that the tour which was
\nsupposed to be traveling around the country through the winter has been
\ncancelled. There will be a tour this summer, but the dates and places are
\nunavailable at this time. According the the producer, the show will be
\nplaying some 30 cities in the U.S., and I have a sneaky suspicion that these
\nwill be outdoor concerts. I hope that they don’t ruin the intimacy of the
\ntheatre by taking the avenue of the more money the merrier, but that as they
\nsay is show business. It is worth seeing in theatres, but outdoors…I don’t
\nknow. mscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1672, from davemackey, 735 chars, Wed Feb 6 19:14:42 1991
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\nTITLE: Oops
\n“Entertainment Weekly” has taken a rather large ad out in other
\nTime Inc. publications. The ad shows many faces of entertainment
\nin a grid, successively whittling down to fewer and fewer faces
\nas you turn the pages, until only one remains on the last page of
\nthe ad — the shark from “Jaws.”
\nThe last page gives the identities of the stars pictured,
\namong which are three cartoon characters: Bart Simpson, Jessica
\nRabbit, and Porky Pig.
\nOnly thing is, what EW’s ad claims to be Porky Pig is
\nactually a picture of Hamton, Porky’s tinier, toonier cousin.
\nDon’t you think EW, which ran a substantial article on “Tiny
\nToon Adventures” a few months ago, would know better?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1673, from davemackey, 155 chars, Wed Feb 6 19:15:30 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1587.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nGee, Harry, did you ever find out “just when”? I have a rapidly
\nexpanding social calendar that needs to be filled in.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1674, from davemackey, 412 chars, Wed Feb 6 19:15:42 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1662.
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\nArgh, did I screw this one up or what!
\nThe night I was leafing through “Cel Magic” over at Mike
\nScoville’s, he also showed me a copy of “StoryboarD” that had the
\ninterview with Walter Lantz I was criticizing here.
\nI truly apologize to the authors of “Cel Magic” for any
\ninconvenience caused by my mixup.
\nHarry, if you’d like to delete 1662, you’re welcome to.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1675, from davemackey, 148 chars, Wed Feb 6 19:32:31 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1669.
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\nAs with Stalling, no vinyl. And the CD and cassette are the
\nsame musically, so you’re not missing anything.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1676, from davemackey, 795 chars, Wed Feb 6 21:11:28 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1667.
\nThere are additional comments to message 1667.
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\nThinking about the very subject, I was wondering if Warner’s
\nwould be at all open to the idea of a video cassette release of
\nthe cartoons with their new soundtracks (recorded in Hi-Fi
\nstereo, of course) plus inclusions of the live Daugherty
\norchestra, sort of duplicating the stage show experience without
\nactually being there. I tried it out on “High Note” and “What’s
\nOpera Doc?”, synching my CD to the videocassette versions from “A
\nSalute To Chuck Jones,” and damned if it doesn’t work. (I suspect
\nthat the album was recorded to the same tick track used in live
\nperformance, possibly because that may have been the only way the
\nmusicians could relate to it. That’s why it works.)
\nI get royalties, of course, and all the carrots I can eat
\n(grin).
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1677, from hmccracken, 93 chars, Wed Feb 6 21:44:14 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1673.
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\nNope, I’m not sure when — sometime in February. I’ll have to
\ngive them a call…
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1678, from mscoville, 203 chars, Wed Feb 6 22:00:56 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1653.
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\nCel Magic: The Art of Collecting<\/p>\n

The book Cel Magic is available from the Animation Art Guild. Please leave me
\na message to get information on the pricing and shipping of the book.
\nSincerely, mscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1680, from davemackey, 720 chars, Thu Feb 7 19:02:54 1991
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: James MacDonald
\nJimmy MacDonald, sound effects wizard for the Walt Disney Studios
\nand voice of Mickey Mouse from the 40’s to the 70’s, died last
\nweek at the age of 84.
\nYou might remember MacDonald from his numerous television
\nappearances, specifically on the first and second versions of
\n“The Mickey Mouse Club,” demonstrating various cartoon sound
\neffect apparatus (the current “MMC” has done such demonstrations
\nas well, but without MacDonald). Those were fun, as I remember.
\nMacDonald succeeded Walt Disney himself as the voice of
\nMickey in the late 1940’s. He handed over the role to Wayne
\nAllwine, who continues to do Mickey’s voice today, in the
\nmid-70’s.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1681, from hmccracken, 168 chars, Thu Feb 7 20:11:41 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1680.
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\nI’m sorry to hear about Jimmy Macdonald (and I believe he did not
\ncapitalize the “d”) passing away. Also of note was his role as
\nEvinrude in _The Rescuers_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1682, from hmccracken, 116 chars, Thu Feb 7 20:12:16 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1681.
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\n…And I believe he was with Disney earlier than the 1940s, — didn’t
\nhe do the yodeling in _Snow White_?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1683, from hmccracken, 199 chars, Thu Feb 7 20:54:33 1991
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: The current issue of _American Cinematographer_
\nhas a lengthy and interesting _Fantasia_ article, focusing on the
\ntechnical aspects of the original film and the recent restoration.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1684, from rjenks, 236 chars, Fri Feb 8 03:06:05 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1683.
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\nI found a great artical on the Fantasia restoration is Post magazine. (A pro
\nvideo magazine) It was quite in-depth on the processes used and ploblrlems with
\nsome modern techniques on the old film.<\/p>\n

Post December 21, 1990<\/p>\n

Robert Jenks<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1685, from davemackey, 1505 chars, Sat Feb 9 20:35:15 1991
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: What do I think of “Box Office Bunny”?
\nSorry that this isn’t a reply to previous message on the subject.
\nJLBLINK ate my animation\/main file, and I’m about 700 messages
\nbehind now.
\nI think if Warner Bros. could figure out a way to make about
\n25 more of those in a calendar year, and offer them to any
\ntheatres that wanted them, they’d really have something there.
\nI didn’t laugh out loud as much as I wanted to, but I was
\nsmiling the whole time. The animation was very good, the
\nstoryline (by Charles Carney) was nice and compact. but you do
\nhave to question the alliance between Daffy and Elmer. In the
\npast, Daffy would abet Elmer for his own vested interests, but
\nhere, I can’t really see the motivation.
\nThe music, by Hummie Mann, had classic twinges but took off
\nin a contemporary direction during the well-animated Sticky Floor
\nDance (it was said that hip-hop street dancers were filmed for
\nthe artists to study). Jeff Bergman’s voices were first-rate,
\nparticularly Elmer, a role which has since been inherited by Greg
\nBurson, who for my money is not as good.
\nAnd to echo Harry’s sentiments, the credits do go by too
\nfast! I have to write these things down, y’know. I would have
\nliked to post them.
\nUnlike Harry, I stayed for about half of “The Never Ending
\nStory II” before finally giving up. But my adult male libido
\nfound the villainess a little more attractive than the supposed
\nheroine of the piece, the Childlike Empress.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1686, from davemackey, 319 chars, Sat Feb 9 20:35:28 1991
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: “Jungle Book” video
\nWalt Disney Home Video is (I believe) re-issuing “Jungle Book” on
\nvideo on May 3, for $24.95. This follows last summer’s theatrical
\nrelease.
\nBe interesting to see what happens next time “Snow White &
\nThe Seven Dwarfs” comes around theatrically…
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1687, from hmccracken, 242 chars, Sun Feb 10 11:23:14 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1685.
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\nI did smile a lot during _Box Office Bunny_, at the animation itself
\nas much as at the gags. And I laughed heartily two or three times.
\nNot bad for a modern cartoon, and I really hope Darrell Van Citters
\ngets a chance to do more.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1688, from hmccracken, 107 chars, Sun Feb 10 11:24:44 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1686.
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\n_Jungle Book_ is coming out on tape? Great! Disney’s last truly
\ngreat cartoon, in my opinion.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1689, from hmccracken, 265 chars, Mon Feb 11 18:16:28 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1686.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nIf the “I believe” in that message means you’re not sure whether
\nthey’re really releasing _Jungle Book_ on video, Dave, I can
\nconfirm that they are; a friend wrote the jacket notes. If you
\nmean you’re not sure about the price or date, well, never mind!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1690, from davemackey, 770 chars, Mon Feb 11 20:36:31 1991
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\nTITLE: “Dead Man’s Curve”
\nHere’s one to throw around the dinner table. The song “Dead Man’s
\nCurve” by Jan and Dean was written as a result of Mel Blanc’s
\nhorrible January 24, 1961 automobile collision there.
\nCo-writer Roger Christian was a deejay at KRLA in Los
\nAngeles, and he was on the air that night, reading news reports
\nabout the accident that almost claimed the life of the voice of
\nBugs Bunny and a thousand others. Once the shock wore off, he
\nthought that this particular stretch of Sunset Boulevard should
\nbe immortalized in song.
\nThe song made the top 10 in 1964, and the irony is that Jan
\nBerry, who insisted that the song end with some sort of
\ncatastrophical accident, was himself paralyzed in a car crash.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1691, from davemackey, 1006 chars, Mon Feb 11 20:36:53 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1687.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nThe remarkable thing about “BOB” is that it’s entirely the
\nproduct of the new generation. And I think that’s a first for
\nWarner Bros. animation, which always had some heritage factor in
\nits revival work, be it the presence of Friz Freleng as director,
\nMel Blanc with his voices (though he was a little off his game by
\nthat time), the use of many old artists, and even using old Carl
\nStalling music.
\nI think the Ford\/Lennon years were extremely critical to the
\nstudio. They still had some of the old guard around, like Norm
\nMcCabe, Bob Givens and Dick Thomas, showing the new kids on the
\nblock how it’s done. And they produced some pretty interesting
\nstuff. Not great, but interesting. But when Van Citters took
\nover, it was clearly time to cut all remaining ties to the past
\nand let the kids do it their way.
\nDo you have any idea how much this cartoon cost Warner
\nBros.? It looks to me like they could have spent anywhere from
\n$500,000 to a million on it.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1692, from hmccracken, 356 chars, Mon Feb 11 21:13:31 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1690.
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\nWow! The conference has been full of good trivia lately.<\/p>\n

While making my hour’s commute to and from work each day,
\nI alternate between listening to the news and playing tapes of
\n(mostly) 1960s pop music. I have a Jan and Dean tape and have
\nlistened to that song countless times without ever suspecting
\nthat it was about, in a way, Mel Blanc.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1693, from davemackey, 160 chars, Mon Feb 11 21:15:38 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1689.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nThe “I believe” was because I am not sure if it’s a rerelease or
\nnot. I think it’s been out before, but I’m not sure…
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1694, from hmccracken, 425 chars, Mon Feb 11 21:16:26 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1691.
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\nI don’t know how much it cost, but it don’t look chintzy.<\/p>\n

Greg Ford, by the way, is still with Warner’s, at least in some capacity…
\nI am told this by Nancy Beiman, who is directing two compilation
\nTV specials featuring the Warner’s characters. Nancy, in case you
\ndon’t know, is an incredibly talented CalArts alumnus who worked
\non some of the Lennon\/Ford Warner’s films, _An American Tail 2_,
\nand other films.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1696, from hmccracken, 163 chars, Mon Feb 11 21:21:00 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1693.
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\nNope, _Jungle Book_ hasn’t been out on tape before. I haven’t
\npicked up _Peter Pan_ yet, but I will eagerly snap up _Jungle
\nBook_ as soon as I see it.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1697, from davemackey, 512 chars, Tue Feb 12 01:35:05 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1692.
\nThere are additional comments to message 1692.
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\nThere is no truth to the rumor that Jan Berry was brought back to
\nconsciousness after his car crash only when addressed as Brian
\nWilson!
\nThis tidbit is from a book called “Behind The Hits,” written
\nby New York disk jockey Bob Shannon with John Javna; this grew
\nout of the informative tidbits he’s done on the air at WCBS-FM.
\nI do remember Pat Boone singing something called “Speedy
\nGonzales” once and I believe they got Mel Blanc to do the voice
\nfor the record.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1698, from davemackey, 624 chars, Tue Feb 12 01:35:24 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1672.
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\nI don’t think they do know better. Their most recent issue had a
\nreview of the original Norton Juster book “The Dot and The Line”
\n(written in 1963, by the way, and just reissued in time for
\nValentine’s Day) — although they gave it a very good writeup,
\ngiving it an A-, they made the uninformed comment that Jack
\nNicholson should play the Squiggle IF (if?) “TDATL” is ever made
\ninto a movie.
\nNo mention was made of the Chuck Jones adaptation ANYWHERE
\nin the review, possibly in an effort to judge the book on its own
\nmerit. But I sent them a postcard anyway just to remind them.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1699, from davemackey, 191 chars, Tue Feb 12 02:13:52 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1694.
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\nWould those happen to be “Bugs Bunny’s Overture To Disaster” and
\n“Bugs Bunny’s Looney Horror Show,” which were both listed in TV
\nGuide’s fall preview?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1700, from hmccracken, 104 chars, Tue Feb 12 07:48:15 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1699.
\nThere are additional comments to message 1699.
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\nNope, one of them is _Bugs Bunny’s Lunar Tunes_, and I don’t
\nremember what the second one is.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1701, from drtoon, 377 chars, Wed Feb 13 00:22:38 1991
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Twice Upon A Time
\nDoes anyone out there know anything about ‘Twice Upon A Time’?
\nWarner Home Video has just released this cassette, billing it as:
\nGeorge(Star Wars) Lucas presents the hilarious animated cult favorite
\nabout unlikely heroes saving our world from bad dreams.<\/p>\n

I’m not familiar with this one, so any help you all can give will be
\nappreciated.<\/p>\n

-Doug Ranney<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1702, from hkenner, 510 chars, Wed Feb 13 00:55:15 1991
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: King Kong
\n… is surely animation of a sort. Certainly Willis O’Brien
\nunderstood the Chuck Jones Weight Principle. In the di Laurentiis
\nremake you can instantly spot the man-in-the-monkey-suit sequences
\nbecause his head bobs as gaily as if he didn’t weigh tons. …<\/p>\n

Anyhow. I’ve just bought (for $9.99) a videocassette version
\nreleased by something called Fox Hills Video (1986). It suffers,
\n,sometimes *badly*,* from vertical jitter. Anyone know where a
\nsmoother version can be obtained?
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1703, from switch, 262 chars, Wed Feb 13 11:09:32 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1701.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nSomeone told me about it a long time ago, but since he’s given
\nto exaggerate (or outright create \ud83d\ude09 the truth, I’d discounted
\nit as fiction. I’ll ask him about it.<\/p>\n

BTW, a question I’ve been meaning to ask: is the Footrot Flats
\nmovie available on video?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1704, from aturn, 91 chars, Wed Feb 13 12:00:19 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1703.
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\nFully aware that I will probably end up hating myself for asking:
\nWhat is Footrot Flats?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1705, from switch, 400 chars, Wed Feb 13 13:04:10 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1704.
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\nIt’s a comic strip from New Zealand about this dog, his “master”,
\nhis bitch, and, well, New Zealand. It’s pretty crude (read: realistic)
\nin its depictions of animal life, and it’s pretty funny. I read a
\ncouple of comic strips a few years back, and a conversation with
\nthe only other North American I know who’s ever seen any Footrot
\nFlats reminded me that there was a movie a few years back.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1706, from hmccracken, 245 chars, Wed Feb 13 18:16:21 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1705.
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\nThere is a small but ardent cult of North American _Footrot
\nFlats_ fans. I believe there was an attempt some years ago
\nto syndicate the strip here, but I never actually saw it anywhere.
\nThe reprint books do turn up from time to time.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1707, from hmccracken, 719 chars, Wed Feb 13 18:20:39 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1701.
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\nI am the only person on earth, or at least the east coast, who has
\never seen _Twice Upon a Time_; one of the few theaters it showed
\nin when it was released was in Cambridge.<\/p>\n

It’s…interesting. It’s filmed in a process called Lumage which
\nis quite unusual — it seems to be a form a backlit cut-out animation.
\nIt’s directed by the guy who directed _The Autobiography of
\nMiss Jane Pittman_, oddly enough. The sense of humor is sort
\nof one part Monty Python, one part Jay Ward. As I recall, the
\nvillain’s name is Synonymous Botch, or something like that,
\nwhich gives a good idea of the sense of humor at work. It’s
\ndefinitely worth seeing once, although I personally would not
\ninvest in a videotape of it.
\n— Hsrry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1708, from davemackey, 405 chars, Wed Feb 13 19:04:50 1991
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\nTITLE: And the nominees are…
\n“Creature Comforts,” “A Grand Day Out” and “Grasshoppers
\n(Cavallette)” have all been nominated for this year’s Academy
\nAward for Best Animated Short.
\nAmong those denied nomination were “Roller Coaster Rabbit”
\nand “Box Office Bunny” (which was previewed in Los Angeles
\nin December, making it eligible this year rather than next).
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1709, from switch, 100 chars, Wed Feb 13 20:27:31 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1706.
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\nYeah. My roommate sold the last one at his store on Friday (I
\ndidn’t even know he had it) \ud83d\ude41<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1710, from switch, 98 chars, Wed Feb 13 20:28:50 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1708.
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\nNever seen “Grasshoppers”, but I’d have a hard time choosing between
\nNick Parks’ two works.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1711, from hmccracken, 232 chars, Wed Feb 13 21:28:09 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1702.
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\nI suspect, Hugh, that you purchased a public-domain tape recorded
\nat something other than the optimum speed. I don’t know for sure,
\nbut I would suspect a classic like _King Kong_ is available in a
\nbetter form than that.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1712, from hmccracken, 358 chars, Wed Feb 13 21:30:37 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1711.
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\nGood for Nick Park for getting two nominations (although I am
\ngetting tired of the Academy’s refusal to recognize U.S.-produced
\nanimated shorts). I liked _Grand Day Out_ quite a bit more than
\n_Creature Comforts_, although I suspect the latter has a better
\nchance at the Oscar. _Grasshoppers_ is OK, too, if it’s the
\nanti-war thing I think it is.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1713, from switch, 92 chars, Wed Feb 13 21:32:26 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1712.
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\nOh, right. _Grasshoppers_ is the Bazzetto short, no? I’d still
\npick the Park works.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1714, from hmccracken, 291 chars, Wed Feb 13 21:39:47 1991
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: This Just In
\nNoel Blanc, son of Mel Blanc and one of several competing successors
\nto his dad’s job, was injured today in a accident involving a helicopter
\nand a biplane that killed two people and also injured Kirk Douglas,
\nwho was a passenger in the helicopter with Blanc.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1715, from hmccracken, 254 chars, Wed Feb 13 21:43:12 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1699.
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\nIncidentally, these two Nancy Beiman Bugs Bunny shows are firsts
\nin at least a couple of ways: they must be the first Warner cartoons
\ndirected by a woman, and they are being produced in New York
\n(appropriate for a Bugs Bunny cartoon, really).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1716, from drtoon, 957 chars, Wed Feb 13 22:47:54 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1702.
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\nKing Kong:
\nI’m not so sure that KK qualifies as animation, but I guess if
\nClaymation or Puppetoons qualify, then you must allow KK also.<\/p>\n

I imagine the Fox Hills Video version you got was recorded in EP mode.
\nI really hate it when you buy those tapes with no warning on the
\npackage. KK is available in no less than 6 versions,
\naccording to Videolog. I’d suggest the version from Turner Home
\nVideo (Cat # 6010 – $19.95), which is billed as the “Special
\nVersion”. They say it’s made from the original uncut master print, with
\n“state of the art” audio.<\/p>\n

For those not familiar with it, Videolog is the home video version of
\nPhonolog (for audio). It’s a massive reference work, updated weekly, that
\nlists (theoretically) every home video release in existence. Most large
\nvideo stores have it available at the counter. Be warned though, that it is
\nnotorious for errors, ommissions, and often coninuing to list tapes that have been discontinued for years.
\n-Doug<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1717, from hmccracken, 213 chars, Wed Feb 13 23:42:56 1991
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\nSure, _King Kong_ is animation…at least Kong himself is.
\nSome of the best stop-motion animation ever done, come to
\nthink of it. (The actual _KK_ TV cartoon series of the 1960s
\nwas dreadful, though.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1718, from switch, 50 chars, Wed Feb 13 23:45:38 1991
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\nThere was a King Kong cartoon series? Yow.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1719, from switch, 353 chars, Wed Feb 13 23:46:58 1991
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\nTITLE: More stuff in \/listings
\nI’ve uploaded three of the existing four volumes of Electronic
\nAnimation Velocity, an electronic animation fanzine. While
\nthe primary focus is Japanese animation, there’s also some stuff
\nin there on Mel Blanc and the Little Mermaid. Be warned: it’s
\npretty long. Each file works out to at least 100 printed pages.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1720, from hmccracken, 287 chars, Wed Feb 13 23:49:44 1991
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\nI am relying on memories of something I haven’t seen since I was
\na very small child, but as I recall the show had King Kong as a
\nfriend to a boy on an island. The theme song I do remember
\nquite well. The show was by Rankin-Bass and must have been
\none of their first series.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1721, from rjenks, 966 chars, Thu Feb 14 01:06:41 1991
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\nTITLE: EDC’s Guide to Anime Fandom
\nI am writing a pamphlet\/newszine that will be given out to prospective EDC
\nanimation club chapters. It will be a guide for the new and old Club Officers
\nand should be quite general. I am in need of ideas for the guide and thought
\nI could get a broader response by putting this in Aniamtion\/main than anime.
\nI am in need of suggestions from anyone who has been in a club, has run a
\nclub etc… The ideas that came to my mind whan I recived this task were as
\nfollows:
\nWhat is EDC? A:
\nEDC National Policy
\nEDC Chapter Policy
\nNonProfit Club vs. Profit
\nAnime BBS’s around the world
\nListing of all EDC chapters and affiliates
\nJapanese Copyright Laws
\nVideo Piracy
\nSubtitling : Do’s and Don’ts<\/p>\n

Any suggestions? The material above will not end up being quite as larger as
\nI want the final guide to be so I all ears\/fingers to you.
\n-Robert Jenks<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1722, from rjenks, 109 chars, Thu Feb 14 01:10:27 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1719.
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\nAlso be warned, this fanzine is published\/edited by Randal Stukey. Anime
\nFandom’s radical extremist.
\n-Robert<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1723, from davemackey, 192 chars, Thu Feb 14 07:29:39 1991
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\nI just saw some footage of the wreckage. This is a tragedy, and
\nwe all hope and pray for the health and well-being of both Kirk
\nDouglas and Noel Blanc.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1724, from davemackey, 102 chars, Thu Feb 14 07:29:48 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1720.
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\n“Ten times as big as a man!” Yes, I remember that series too.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1725, from hmccracken, 134 chars, Thu Feb 14 18:16:27 1991
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\nYes, best wishes to both. Douglas apparently escaped with minor
\ninjuries, but Blanc was in serious condition last I heard.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1726, from sharonfisher, 96 chars, Thu Feb 14 18:29:08 1991
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\nTITLE: Anybody know where I can find….
\na copy of the Disney film “Victory Through Air Power”?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1727, from davemackey, 542 chars, Thu Feb 14 19:04:46 1991
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\nIncidentally, in my rush to get a message up there expressing my
\nwishes for speedy recoveries for both Kirk and Noel, let us not
\nforget that there is a third survivor and two people killed in
\nthis accident, and I offer my condolences to the families of the
\ndeceased.
\nIf Noel Blanc pulls out of this one, that’ll be one more
\nthing he has in common with his dad besides doing voices: the
\nability to cheat death.
\nAnother parallel: Noel is 52, and Mel was the same age when
\nhe had his car crash.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1728, from davemackey, 180 chars, Thu Feb 14 19:04:58 1991
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\nMy brother the record store manager says much the same thing is
\ntrue about Phonolog, so you aren’t alone in your criticism of
\nWhatever-Log.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1729, from hmccracken, 547 chars, Thu Feb 14 19:15:06 1991
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\nSharon, _Victory Through Air Power_ is about as rare as a Disney
\nfilm can get. It is the only Disney animated feature I haven’t seen,
\nand one of those few elusive cartoons that I dearly want to see but
\nhave never had the opportunity to view. I can think of only one or
\ntwo occasions when it’s been shown to the public since its original
\nrelease. Apparently, it’s primarily live-action with animated maps
\nand such.<\/p>\n

If you really need to see it for a particular reason, you might be
\nable to arrange a screening at the Disney archives.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1730, from hmccracken, 138 chars, Thu Feb 14 19:23:55 1991
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\nThe parallel is odd, yes. Let’s hope that Noel recovers with fewer
\nbroken bones and complications than Mel had to go through.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1731, from billn, 228 chars, Fri Feb 15 13:52:37 1991
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\nThe news last night showed pictures of the collision results and
\ncommented that it was a miracle anybody lived through it. The airplane
\nwas demolished, the helicopter on its side, completely caved in.
\nIt *was* a miracle.
\nBillN<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1732, from davemackey, 534 chars, Fri Feb 15 19:07:25 1991
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\nBut odd in a morbid sort of way. Like all the similarities
\nbetween Kennedy and Lincoln. Remember when those mail-order
\nhouses would somehow make a penny with both Lincoln and JFK and
\nrecount every last similarity of their respective assassinations
\nin the advertising for such penny? (And I wonder just how much
\nthose pennies with a little Kennedy etched in on the side are
\nworth.)
\n(You wouldn’t believe how much junk from childhood sits
\naround latently, waiting for a chance to strike…)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1733, from davemackey, 644 chars, Fri Feb 15 19:07:45 1991
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\nI think “Victory Through Air Power” might arouse some people’s
\ncuriosity due to the fact that thus far, the war in the Persian
\nGulf has primarily been an air war, and people are after a
\nlittle historical perspective.
\nNever mind the fact that ultimately, some of the military
\nstrategies depicted therein were found to be unsound. It still
\nremains as ample proof that Disney understood the power of the
\nanimated film for educational and training purposes, and were it
\nnot for the war, that might have remained an untouched area. To
\nthis day Disney maintains an extensive library of educational
\nmedia.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1734, from davemackey, 441 chars, Fri Feb 15 19:07:59 1991
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\nThe Turner version of Kong is colorized, but they went back to
\noriginal, pristine prints as a source. According to William
\nEverson, when “King Kong” was reissued, prints were deliberately
\ndarkened to obscure some of the gory details
\nDidn’t Ray Harryhausen have something to do with “King
\nKong,” as an assistant to Willis O’Brien? If not, his stop-motion
\npuppetry is certainly influenced by Kong.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1735, from drtoon, 131 chars, Fri Feb 15 21:22:21 1991
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\nAccording to Videolog, there are two video versions of King Kong.
\nTurner #6003 is colorized, Turner #6010 is NOT colorized.
\n–Doug<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1736, from hmccracken, 893 chars, Sat Feb 16 19:04:06 1991
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\nMore news about the upcoming Warner compilation specials: Jeff
\nBergman will *not* be doing voices for them. Neither will
\nNoel Blanc. Joe Alaskey, who does the voice of Plucky on
\n_Tiny Toon Adventures_, will be doing the almost-identical
\nvoice of Daffy for the shows. I don’t know who will voice
\nBugs, but there is apparently an Australian gentleman who
\nWarner’s has under contract as a backup Bugs. Only problem
\nis, the guy’s Bugs has an Australian accent!<\/p>\n

Like Disney, Warner’s is trying very hard not to be too
\ndependent on any one person to do the voices of their
\ncharacters. This explains, in part, why neither studio
\nconsistently uses the same voice artist to do the voice of
\nany of their classic characters. Mel Blanc was able to
\ncommand a very, very high salary in his later years, and
\nWarner’s wants to avoid that situation, even if the
\ncharacters suffer as a result.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1737, from davemackey, 907 chars, Sat Feb 16 22:40:42 1991
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\nBugs as an Australian? Now that’s a different approach! I could
\nsee it now… “Crocodile Bunn-dee”! “Ehhhh…. what’s up, mate?”
\nIt sounds like it could actually bring a new dimension to the
\ncharacter, a little touch of Down-under jauntiness, and I am all
\nfor it.
\nIt’s about time Alaskey got more work doing the regular WB
\ncharacters. When he did Yosemite Sam in “Who Framed Roger
\nRabbit,” I knew that he could pull off any of the voices. And his
\nPlucky Duck indicates that he could do a killer Daffy Duck, if
\nhe were ever so inclined — as I’ve said before, it’s the one
\nvoice characterization on TTA that’s closest in spirit (and
\naccuracy) to the original character.
\nI would presume that Warner Bros. made this decision some
\ntime before Noel Blanc’s helicopter accident; obviously the
\nquestion of using him again is going to be moot for quite some
\nwhile.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1738, from bsoron, 141 chars, Sun Feb 17 00:13:20 1991
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> the guy’s Bugs has an Australian accent!<\/p>\n

I swear, if I hear Bugs say “What’s up, mate?”, I’ll never watch
\nanother WB special again…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1739, from hmccracken, 52 chars, Sun Feb 17 09:18:44 1991
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\n“Put another carrot on the barby, mate!”
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1740, from richard.pini, 179 chars, Sun Feb 17 10:18:43 1991
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\nWasn’t “VtAP” based on some military person or other’s book by the same
\nname? Seems to me I’ve seen the book fairly frequently here and there in
\nused-book shops. Would that help?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1741, from richard.pini, 209 chars, Sun Feb 17 10:23:18 1991
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\nI think Harryhausen was O’Brien’s assistant on “Might Joe Young,” not
\n“Kong.” Whatever one thinks of MJY, the ape certainly has miles more
\n“animation personality” than Kong did, and I think Kong is a classic.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1742, from hmccracken, 281 chars, Sun Feb 17 15:24:15 1991
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\nIt was based on a best-selling book by a proponent of the military
\ntheory expressed in the title. I can’t recall his name offhand.
\nBob Clampett’s _Falling Hare_ (I *think that’s the one) features
\na gag of Bugs Bunny reading a book called _Victory Through Hare
\nPower_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1743, from hmccracken, 178 chars, Sun Feb 17 15:25:01 1991
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\nTITLE: Boston area BIXen may want to attend the
\nBugs Bunny film festival presently showing at the Somerville Theater.
\nThe current issue of the _Phoenix_ has a review.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1744, from jporter, 1217 chars, Mon Feb 18 03:03:58 1991
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\nI have the book sitting in my lap. It was in the bookcase so I thought I would
\npull it out. The author is Alexander P. De Seversky. Since there is an old
\nbookmark at page 88 I do not think I finised reading it. I remember seeing sceeens
\nfrom it on the “Mouse Factory”, which also interduced me to “Steamboat Willie”
\nand the rest of the early Disney history. I was alwaysed impresed with the
\nIreverency of that show, unlike the more pristine sunday night offerings.
\nAlong with most people of my generation with an interest in Disney. I have
\nbeen unable to see it. I once did call the archives and ask if there was
\nanyway it could be shown?
\nThe responce as I remember was not encoraging. Aparently Sometimes the studio
\ndoes not like there past. I then wrote the Disney channel (Austrailian
\nYuppie programing network) and told them until it was aired I was canciling
\nmy subscription. (One night I found myself renting “Cookie Carnival”, becouse
\nI was Sick of watching yet another instalment of the same mickey cartoon.
\n(This is not a reveiew, It just expresses my love\/hate relation with the
\nDisney (You are a member of the general public) attitude, that goes back
\nto when I used to write them, while in high school.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1745, from hmccracken, 256 chars, Mon Feb 18 13:45:03 1991
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\nJulie, I don’t know when you asked The Disney Channel to consider
\nshowing _The Mouse Factory_…but they were showing it at one point,
\nand may be doing so now from time to time for all I know. The
\nshow was created and produced by Ward Kimball.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1746, from hmccracken, 497 chars, Mon Feb 18 13:47:41 1991
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\nBTW, I agree that Disney doesn’t make very good use of its
\nlibrary when it comes to the Channel. A few years ago I wrote
\nand suggested that they show some features they hadn’t at that
\npoint (_Saludos Amigos_, _Melody Time_, etc.) and that
\nthey start showing more uncut short cartoons, including the
\nblack and white ones. Whether by coincidence or not, they
\ndid show some of the features I suggested not too long
\nafterward, but their use of the Disney shorts is still absurdly
\nlimited.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1747, from davemackey, 269 chars, Mon Feb 18 19:11:01 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1742.
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\nMajor Alexander de Seversky was the author of the book. And it
\nwas “Falling Hare” that featured Bugs reading “Victory Through
\nHare Power,” whose main military theory was that gremlins wreck
\nplanes with their diabolical sabotage.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1748, from hmccracken, 1198 chars, Mon Feb 18 22:12:35 1991
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\nJust came back from seeing the Bugs Bunny festival at the
\nSomerville theater.<\/p>\n

It’s pretty good, although not especially imaginative in its
\nselection: it’s basically a lot of Chuck Jones classics
\n(_Duck Amuck_, _Rabbit Seasoning_, _One Froggy Evening_,
\netc.) interspersed with a few not-especially-outstanding
\nFriz Freleng cartoons (_Roman Legion-Hare_, _Tweety and
\nthe Beanstalk_, and the Dr. Jekyll one whose precise name
\nI forget at the moment). There is also _Dough for the
\nDo-Do_, which as WB experts will know is a remake by
\nFriz Freleng of a cartoon originally directed by Bob Clampett.<\/p>\n

It’s a funny show and the audience seemed to love it. The
\nhighpoint was _Feed the Kitty_, a Jones film that I think
\nmuch of the audience hadn’t seen, or had at least forgotten;
\nwhen Marc Anthony’s mistress gives him a kitten-cookie
\nwhich he thinks is his little kitten friend, the laughter in the
\naudience was about as uncontrollable and sustained as any
\nI’ve ever heard at a film of any kind. Still, there are a lot
\nof cartoons — by Jones, Freleng, the unrepresented McKimson,
\nand others — that might have been included in this show
\nrather than some of the overexposed ones that were.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1749, from jporter, 2107 chars, Tue Feb 19 00:39:11 1991
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\nTITLE: Pointer to long.messages #41
\nI posted an artical that I wrote for the Berkley Macintosh user group into
\nAnimation\/long messages #41. I wrote this several years ago and it is a bit
\ndated.
\nI do not comment often, Other people say what I would like to with more
\nelegance. At a faster leval. However somtimes I will add my two cents worth.
\nRe. Ubbe Iworks, There was some discussion earler about his contribution
\nto the multiplain camera. From my understanding of the Biographys (of which
\nthere seems to be some doubt as to accuracy) I beleve that he Had nothing
\nto do with the Multiplain, His contribution was more along the lines of
\nan efficency expert. ie How to speed up the process of generating an effect
\nHis major contribution is of cource, The Xerographic, and Blue screen
\n(Sodum Vapor) processes. I am not forgetting the mouse, who was origionaly
\ndesigned to be animated quicky (remember all accounts show that Walt and Roy
\nwere under the gun if they were to stay solvent). In this he was of course
\nassisted by Josua Medor[sp]. (A side note, In one of the backgrounds in
\nLady and the Tramp, is etched inside a heart (JM + ??) I can not remember the
\nsecond intials, Any Ideas?)
\nIn refrence to the xerographic process, I did aquire some inside info from
\none of my friends who now works for WDI. (most of what he tells me I can
\nnot say, however I cleared this with him as he is not involved with the
\nwork acrross the street)
\nWhile visiting the animation studio (a rare treat, he told me), he was shown
\nsome “Cells”, of Belle the heroin of “Beauty and the beast”, What are the
\nthe triangels and Squares on her cheeks for,” he asked, “That is where the
\ncomputer puts the highlights, when they print it on film”, was the reply.
\nIn further conversation with my freind we agreed that the best way of describing
\nthe new process, as being able to draw direcly on the machine. Apparently
\nthe studio IS a bit nervice about “Mickey Mouse” living inside a computer.
\nalong with other issues (Don Bluth?, the Used “Cell” market?
\n-jP<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1750, from hmccracken, 665 chars, Tue Feb 19 00:39:11 1991
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\nJule, from what I understand — and information on this is scare —
\nthe actual drawing is still done the old-fashioned way, with pencil
\nand paper. The drawings are then scanned into a computer, where
\nthey are colored. This also allows for compositing for multiplane
\neffects and other nifty stuff. I have seen *no* public discussion of
\nthis by Disney, who is presumably nervous that the market for
\nanimation cels might be damaged if it became known that they
\nweren’t using them anymore. The computer process, by the way,
\nis more expensive than old-fashioned painting at this point.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1751, from jshook, 244 chars, Tue Feb 19 00:39:11 1991
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\nI don’t think you understand how the antiques and collectibles
\nmarket works…. If Disney is no longer using cels that makes
\nexisting cels more, rather than less, valauble.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1752, from hmccracken, 997 chars, Tue Feb 19 00:39:11 1991
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\nOh, I know that in theory you are absolutely right, Jim, but
\nI don’t know if the theory holds in this particular case. The
\ninflated prices that folks are currently paying for cels have to
\nbe based only in part on the scarcity of cels. (Disney cels,
\nespecially from recent films, are hardly rare after all.)
\nThere is a certain incalculable factor at work, I think.
\nI wonder if Disney is worried that if they stop using cels
\nthe mystique will evaporate. A cynical friend has speculated
\nthat they may try to market _Rescuers_ cels manufactured
\nfor the collectors’ market.<\/p>\n

(Indeed — mscoville may disagree here — maybe cels should
\nbe the *least* valuable art associated with animated films.
\nThey are, after all, anonymous tracings produced by the
\nthousand. Animation drawings are the real art, and conceptual
\nart is the real one-of-a-kind artwork produced for animated
\nfilms. Neither is valued as highly as cels.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1753, from hmccracken, 701 chars, Tue Feb 19 00:49:07 1991
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\nTITLE: Jeff Bergman, a.k.a. one of the many voices of
\nBugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, et al, is the guest on the Larry King
\nshow right now. Interesting. Poor guy — almost every
\nanecdote he tells about his career begins with somebody
\n(Mel Blanc, George O’Hanlon, Herschel Bernardi) dying.
\nKing also asked him about how Noel Blanc was, and
\nBergman said he didn’t know and said, rather uneasily,
\n“I wish him well.”<\/p>\n

Gee, Larry is saying, right now, that the guy who did the
\nvoice of the Road Runner died recently, and that he had
\nhad him on the show recently…Wonder who he’s thinking
\nof? (Bergman *is* incredibly talented — he’s doing dozens
\nof voices on the show, all of them letter-perfect.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1754, from jporter, 344 chars, Tue Feb 19 01:59:17 1991
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\nYes they were showing it again, however if I was unclear, Since they showed
\nSo Dear to my Heart, and the Sward and the rose (both On video) I asked
\nthem if they would show Victory through air power. (They also canceled
\nthe disney family album about that time, I wonder if it was becouse
\nRon Miller was prodicing it?) perhaps they re-rean them?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1755, from jporter, 201 chars, Tue Feb 19 02:02:58 1991
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\nagreed, actualy the above should read “It is like being able to draw on a machine. bix ate the word xerox. Obvi
\nously If my friend could hold “CELLS” of
\nBelle there does exist hardcopy output.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1756, from jporter, 149 chars, Tue Feb 19 02:04:44 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1751.
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\nI think It has more to do with Don Bluth, than the market, however as a colector
\nI will be disapointed if I can never afford to add to my colection.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1757, from jporter, 248 chars, Tue Feb 19 02:07:31 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1752.
\nThere are additional comments to message 1752.
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\nI have one animation drawing that came from the back door. Unfortunaltly
\nThey are so scarce, that no one knows ho to value them. Disney saves
\nall the final ones for the animators to refer to. I would Imagin that Bluth
\ndoes the same. Other Studios?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1758, from jporter, 424 chars, Tue Feb 19 02:13:43 1991
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\nTITLE: OOPS.
\nI just discovered that the last couple of sentinces of amimation\/long.messages #41
\nwere garbled they should read:
\nWe are
\nonly at the point where Earl Hurd and John Bray were, when they
\ncombined to share their patents. This opened the way for Max
\nFlescher and Walt Disney to show us what can be done when
\ncharacter and personality is added to technology.<\/p>\n

sorry for the inconvienece. (silly Bix editor)
\n-jP<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1759, from davemackey, 347 chars, Tue Feb 19 03:46:19 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1745.
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\nDisney still shows “Mouse Factory” on Tuesday afternoons at 2:30
\nEastern. I remember watching it when it was first on in the early
\n70’s. Channel 4 in New York would air it in prime access (meaning
\n7:30) before the landscape of that daypart became cluttered with
\ntrashy newsmagazine shows (no names please).
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1760, from davemackey, 1127 chars, Tue Feb 19 03:46:44 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1744.
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\nThough the slicing and dicing of the Warner Bros. cartoons
\nseems to expend most of our collective vitriol around here, we
\nare no less concerned about The Disney Channel (TDC) and its
\nmistreatment of the Walt Disney animation library.
\nHarry and I have had some wild conversations about the way
\nTDC mistreats classic animation. We’ve seen them add, say, the
\n“Superman” cartoons of the Fleischers on Saturday and Sunday
\nmornings and then inexplicably pull them off the schedule after
\ntwo or three weeks for a less-well-crafted TV cartoon series.
\nTheir compilation shows (“Good Morning, Mickey,” “Donald Duck
\nPresents”) date from almost a decade ago and show the same
\ncartoons in rotation, and in many cases sans titles and credits
\nand often heavily edited. We have surmised that these shows are
\nnot changed due to audience turnover.
\nIf either one of us got a programming job at TDC we would
\ncompletely overhaul those shows, and repackage them with a little
\nbit more historical perspective while still making them
\nconsumable by Mr. and Mrs. Joe Sixpack and their 24 children.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1761, from davemackey, 217 chars, Tue Feb 19 04:26:48 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1748.
\nThere are additional comments to message 1748.
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\nI have never seen an audience hang on to a cartoon for dear life
\nas they do for “Feed The Kitty.” It’s truly one of Jones’ little
\nlost masterpieces and a sure audience grabber.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1762, from davemackey, 866 chars, Tue Feb 19 04:27:11 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1753.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nNot germane to this message but worth mentioning: Kirk
\nDouglas has been released from the hospital.
\nNow germane to this message: I can’t imagine who King would
\nhave on claiming to be the voice of the Road Runner. But I have
\nfrom time to time seen Paul Julian’s name connected with the
\ncharacter, but haven’t heard anything about his passing. (Julian
\nwas a remarkably talented background artist in the Friz Freleng
\nunit from the early 1940’s to about 1952, when he went to UPA.)
\nYes, it does seem to me that Bergman waits for his moments
\nand chooses his spots. It’s a quick short cut to success, and I
\nkeep waiting for him to luck into a role that is earned a little
\nmore legitimately. He is still raw enough to need a little more
\npolish. He’s got the voices down, now he needs to add the
\ncharacterization part.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1763, from hmccracken, 241 chars, Tue Feb 19 07:30:09 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1762.
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\nI think Larry was just confused and was thinking of someone else
\nentirely…He also said, at first, that _Box Office Bunny_ was
\na “four hour, fifty-five minute feature-length cartoon.” (It’s
\nfour *minutes*, fifty-five *seconds*.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1764, from jshook, 57 chars, Tue Feb 19 08:27:00 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1753.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nDid this fellow used to be part of the Firesign Theater?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1765, from dave.f, 50 chars, Tue Feb 19 18:57:33 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1764.
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\nNo. That’s Peter Bergman you’re thinking of.<\/p>\n

D=<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1766, from davemackey, 355 chars, Tue Feb 19 19:05:28 1991
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\nTITLE: Strickland heads MCA Family Entertainment
\nPaul B. Strickland, production manager of “Tiny Toon
\nAdventures,” has been named to head MCA’s animation operation,
\nMCA Family Entertainment.
\nMr. Strickland was previously affiliated with Hanna-Barbera
\nProductions in its Checking and Scene Planning department.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1767, from switch, 262 chars, Tue Feb 19 22:00:11 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1752.
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\n…which is prolly why I went ga-ga over getting my hands on about
\n400 pages of _Akira_ model sheets and layouts (almost) directly
\nfrom the hands of one of the key animators. I already know I wouldn’t
\nreally want a cel (I’m not much for collecting cels).<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1768, from hkenner, 147 chars, Wed Feb 20 12:06:40 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1748.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\n_Feed the Kitty_ is indeed a small masterpiece. There’s a moment
\nthere when the audience for 2-3 seconds doesn’t know whether to
\nlaugh or to cry.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1769, from hmccracken, 363 chars, Wed Feb 20 22:01:27 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1768.
\nThere are additional comments to message 1768.
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\nIf you’re talking about the moment I think you’re talking about,
\nthe audience I saw it with went into a sort of combination of
\nlaughter and crying, followed by dead silence when the kitten
\nshows up. Dead silence is not a reaction you associate with
\ncartoon shorts (although some Disney features — _Bambi_
\nespecially — certainly managed to evoke it.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1770, from davemackey, 300 chars, Thu Feb 21 00:41:56 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1768.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nLet me guess… when Marc Antony is offered the little cat
\ncookie, and he puts it on his back as he did with Pussyfoot?
\nThat’s one of the most remarkable examples of animation being
\nable to summon many emotions in a single scene, worthy of Keaton
\nand Chaplin.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1771, from hkenner, 80 chars, Thu Feb 21 11:43:15 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1770.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nYes, that’s the moment. The effect is probably unique in
\n6-minute animation.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1772, from davemackey, 411 chars, Thu Feb 21 22:29:55 1991
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\nTITLE: Grammy for Skat Kat and Paula
\n“Opposites Attract” video, featuring Paula Abdul and the animated
\nMC Skat Kat, won the Grammy Award for Best Short Form Video last
\nevening.
\nIt goes into the ranks of All Time Great Animated Music
\nVideos, including such landmarks of the form as “Take On Me” by
\na-Ha, and the computer-animated “Money For Nothing” by Dire
\nStraits.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1773, from hmccracken, 196 chars, Thu Feb 21 23:05:53 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1771.
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\nThere is also, BTW, a follow-up to _Feed the Kitty_ called _Kiss Me
\nCat_ which is nearly as good, as well as one or two more Marc Anthony
\ncartoons that are nothing particularly special.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1774, from davemackey, 1107 chars, Fri Feb 22 19:06:49 1991
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Hey, Rocky….
\n…watch me pull six spots on the Billboard chart out of my hat!
\nThere is nothing up Bullwinkle’s sleeve as all six volumes of
\n“The Adventures Of Rocky & Bullwinkle” land in the top 15 of
\nBillboard’s Video Sales chart, in almost perfect order.
\nThis suggests people are buying them in sequence, as many as
\nthey’re financially able to, with Vol. 6 getting a slight edge
\nwith Dudley Do-Right fanatics.
\nThese six videos are featured in an animation laden top 20
\nwhich includes…
\n2. “The Little Mermaid”
\n3. “Peter Pan”
\n4. “Rocky & Bullwinkle Vol. 1” (with “Pretty Woman” at no.
\n1, Disney now controls the top four spots on this chart)
\n6. “Rocky & Bullwinkle Vol. 2”
\n10. “Rocky & Bullwinkle Vol. 3”
\n13. “Rocky & Bullwinkle Vol. 4”
\n14. “Rocky & Bullwinkle Vol. 6” (Do-Right)
\n15. “Rocky & Bullwinkle Vol. 5”
\n18. “All Dogs Go To Heaven”
\nI don’t think there have been this many animated offerings
\nin the top 20 of the chart since the “Teenage Mutant Ninja
\nTurtles” cartoon tapes first came out.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1775, from hmccracken, 136 chars, Fri Feb 22 21:52:28 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1774.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nI haven’t seen the Bullwinkle tapes yet, but a friend reports that
\nthe colors are unnaturally bright. Any comments on this?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1776, from davemackey, 542 chars, Sat Feb 23 07:06:00 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1775.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nThe colors have been restored electronically with a video toy
\ncalled Paintbox. The films as we know them have deteriorated over
\nthe past 30 years; colors fade and the whole spectrum turns a
\nbloody red over time. I think I’m gonna do a comparison test
\nagainst Dudley tomorrow morning.
\nOf course, when the films were first broadcast, they were
\nprobably seen on black-and-white sets, so I don’t think anyone
\nhas any idea on what these films really looked like (except the
\npeople who worked on them).
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1777, from sharonfisher, 46 chars, Sat Feb 23 11:17:09 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1776.
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\nHaven’t gotten mine yet. \ud83d\ude41 Soon, I hope…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1778, from davemackey, 1213 chars, Sat Feb 23 17:20:14 1991
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Coming soon to \/listings
\nTwo new files and a revision to an old one will soon be uploaded
\nto \/listings.
\n(1) The revision of the “Tiny Toon Adventures” episode summary
\nguide. All 65 episodes will be listed day-by-day and will include
\na summary of how many times each episode has aired.
\n(2) On or about March 15, the complete episode guide for
\n“Merrie Melodies Starring Bugs Bunny And Friends.” The contents
\nof all 65 episodes, including positive identification of all Hip
\nClips, will be listed in the programs’ proper running order.
\nComputer colorized Looney Tunes will be noted as well.
\n(3) The third file is a work in progress — an “Of Mice And
\nMagic”-type filmography of theatrical cartoons produced by the
\nDePatie-Freleng Enterprises from 1964-1978. I don’t believe
\nanyone’s ever compiled such a list. The reason it’s “in progress”
\nis that I’m missing some names of directors. If anyone can help
\nwith director credits for shorts in the Blue Racer and Dogfather
\nseries, it would really be appreciated. All the other series —
\nPink Panther, Inspector, Ant & Aardvark, Tijuana Toads, Roland
\nAnd Rattfink, and Hoot Kloot — are pretty much completely
\ntallied.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1779, from hmccracken, 319 chars, Sat Feb 23 19:38:29 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1778.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nDave, I believe that Jerry Beck and Will Friedwald serialized such
\na guide to Depatie-Freleng cartoons in the old animation fanzine
\n_Mindrot_ (AKA _Animania_) around the time that _Of Mice
\nand Magic_ was published. Of course, almost no one has those
\nold magazines, so your list would still be very useful…
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1780, from hmccracken, 297 chars, Sat Feb 23 23:06:18 1991
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\nTITLE: The current issue of _Collector’s Showcase_ magazine has
\na long, very well-illustrated article on collecting original animation
\nart, focusing on the collection of New York restaurant owner
\nPeter Merolo. The interesting article is by comics collector and
\npublisher Russ Cochran.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1781, from davemackey, 375 chars, Sun Feb 24 08:35:09 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1779.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nLeave it to Jerry and Will to do it first (and possibly better).
\nNevertheless, I’ll still upload my list, since I cannot to this
\nday understand the omission of the studio from Maltin’s book
\n(except for a passing mention). They competed with many of the
\nother studios that were still around when they opened, and
\noutlasted all of them.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1782, from hmccracken, 191 chars, Sun Feb 24 10:50:34 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1781.
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\nI guess Maltin didn’t consider D-P to be a classic Hollywood theatrical
\nanimation studio. Neither was Hanna-Barbera, and its few theatrical
\ncartoon shorts didn’t get listed either.
\n– Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1783, from davemackey, 838 chars, Mon Feb 25 19:07:05 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1692.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nFurther research has turned up two other Jan and Dean songs which
\ntook inspiration from characters Mel Blanc played on “The Jack
\nBenny Show.” “The Little Old Lady From Pasadena” took its cue
\nfrom Blanc’s slimy car dealer, who claimed that his car was only
\ndriven on Sundays by the title character; in Jan and Dean’s song,
\nshe drives a super stock Dodge. It became one of their biggest
\nhits, topping out at #3 on the Billboard charts.
\nThere was an unsuccessful followup, nearly forgotten but
\nunearthed while leafing through a volume of Billboard charts: the
\ntrain conductor Blanc played and the destinations made famous by
\nhim gave rise to “The Anaheim, Asuza and Cucamonga Sewing Circle,
\nBook Review and Timing Association.” I don’t even want to think
\nabout what that would have sounded like.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1784, from davemackey, 598 chars, Mon Feb 25 19:07:23 1991
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: The DePatie Family
\nI recently read that the father of cartoon producer David H.
\nDePatie, Edmond DePatie, was involved with animation in some way.
\nIt wasn’t indicated as to how, and I am wondering if anyone here
\nknows. From Jerry Beck’s interview with Freleng and other
\nreadings, I know that Edmond gave Dave and Friz lots of sage
\nadvice on how to run a studio.
\nThe two sons of David DePatie have extended the family
\nbusiness into the third generation: David Jr. (film editor) and
\nSteve (musical director) both worked at dad’s studio in the 70’s.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1785, from hmccracken, 208 chars, Mon Feb 25 19:38:11 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1783.
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\nI have a tape of “The Anaheim, Asuza, and Cucamonga Sewing Circle,
\nBook Review and Timing Association.” It sounds about what you
\nwould expect a song by Jan and Dean with that title to sound like.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1786, from hmccracken, 129 chars, Mon Feb 25 19:39:04 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1784.
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\nEdmond DePatie was, I believe, some kind of bigwig at the Warner
\nBros. studio. Just what sort of Bigwig I don’t know.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1787, from hmccracken, 184 chars, Mon Feb 25 23:01:21 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1638.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nBTW, I finally found out when that _Fantasia_ show at the
\nMuseum of Cartoon Art will be: March 10th through June 16th…
\nPlenty of time, so nobody has any excuse to miss it.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1788, from davemackey, 682 chars, Tue Feb 26 19:14:50 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1786.
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\nObviously, the size Bigwig that could find a job for his son!
\n“Son, I got ya a do-nothing job producing Bugs Bunny cartoons!”
\nI think by the time Dave DePatie became producer for Warner
\nBros. Cartoon Division, the directors were more or less given
\ncarte blanche to do their own thing. Which wasn’t too different
\nthan under the Schlesinger or Selzer regimes, since the directors
\nwere notorious for either ignoring or inverting their superiors’
\nadvice (and their judgment was correct in most cases.) But I
\nthink it was made a little more official since DePatie and his
\ninterim predecessor John Burton were given Executive Producer
\nstatus.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1789, from davemackey, 140 chars, Tue Feb 26 20:19:38 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1787.
\nThere are additional comments to message 1787.
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\nWell, at least they won’t pull up stakes and go to Boca Raton any
\ntime soon. Looking forward to it.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1790, from mscoville, 444 chars, Tue Feb 26 22:19:44 1991
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Mai, the Psychic Girl
\nCarolco Pictures signed Tim Burton to develop and direct a feature film based
\non the Japanese comic series “Mai”.The movie will have to wait until the
\nfinish of Batman II, which Burton is currently working on.
\nThe Mai project has a script written by Larry Wilson and Caroline Thompson. The story is about Mai (who has psychic pow
\ners) being abducted by someone who
\nwants to exploit her natural gifts.
\nmscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1791, from mscoville, 408 chars, Tue Feb 26 22:23:45 1991
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\nTITLE: Arsenio Hall
\nIt seems that ABC and Arsenio Hall have entered into agreement for a half-
\nhour series based on Arsenio’s “Chunkie A” character. The series, which will
\nbe from Paramount will have Hall as the Evecutive Producer. Marvel Productions
\nwill be doing the animation chores. The series is tentatively called ”
\n“CLeveland’s City Limits.” Production note: Greg Antonacci is the producer.
\nmscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1792, from rjenks, 106 chars, Wed Feb 27 01:40:04 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1790.
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\nI heard that something of that sort about a year ago and that it was already
\nin the works.<\/p>\n

-Robert Jenks<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1793, from davemackey, 876 chars, Fri Mar 1 19:06:00 1991
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\nTITLE: Jack is back
\nAbout a year ago we told you that one of the all time great
\nchildren’s show hosts in New York City, Captain Jack McCarthy,
\nwas stepping down from his post as host of the televised coverage
\nof the St. Patrick’s Day Parade due to the politics surrounding
\nthe event.
\nWell, there were some concessions made that have enabled
\nJack to return this year as parade host; last year’s coverage was
\nhosted by Ed Herlihy and Andrea McArdle (a fine Irish colleen).
\nTo recap for those joining us in progress, Captain Jack
\nMcCarthy was for many years host of Popeye cartoons on WPIX in
\nNew York (the station that has broacast the parade for the last
\n150 years or so), working alongside Officer Joe and Beachcomber
\nBill.
\nSo Captain Jack will once more get you through the night…
\ntake you to your special Ireland….
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1794, from davemackey, 782 chars, Sun Mar 3 00:14:34 1991
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: That’s show business
\nThe “Show Business” column written by Mark Evanier for his
\n“Hollywood Superstars” #5 comic book (which, by the way, is the
\nlast issue) concerns working relationships he had with animation
\nvoices Mel Blanc, Bill Scott and Daws Butler.
\nWhile space (and copyright laws) don’t permit me to
\nreprint the whole thing, let me just pass along this passage
\nabout Blanc and his successors that crystallizes the sentiments
\nof many here: “The great skill of Mel Blanc was as an actor: It
\nis one thing to affect a funny voice, quite another to mold a
\ncoherent, believable characterization with it and to wring every
\ndrop of humor out of every line…. being able to replicate Daffy
\nDuck’s voice doesn’t make you Mel Blanc.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1795, from hmccracken, 339 chars, Sun Mar 3 12:23:53 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1794.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nRight…In the interview Jeff Bergman did with Larry King that I mentioned
\na week or so ago, someone called and asked why Bergman wasn’t the new voice
\nof Kermit the Frog. Bergman said that that was an interesting story: he
\nwanted to do it, but Henson Associates wasn’t interested in his services.
\nHe couldn’t figure out why…
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1796, from davemackey, 872 chars, Mon Mar 4 19:08:53 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1795.
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\nEvanier wasn’t careful to mention any of the successors
\nby name, merely because he may wind up working with them
\nsomeday on “Garfield” or some other animated project he’s
\nassociated with.
\nAnyway, to get back to the piece, the stories about Bill
\nScott and Daws Butler took up a great deal more of the essay and
\nare not to be ignored either, particularly the night that Scott
\ndied and Evanier successfully depressed half the comics at The
\nComedy Store by telling them.
\nI’ve made no secret about being a big M.E. fan because of
\nhis interest in the weird world of show business and his long,
\nrambling text pages, and any book he’ll write those text pages
\nfor will find a home on my reading list.
\nAnd to reiterate a long standing wish: Evanier’s gotta get a
\nBIX account. He’s too good to be wasting his money over on CI$.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1797, from hmccracken, 120 chars, Mon Mar 4 20:09:50 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1796.
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\nWe really ought to get Evanier over here — he’s one of the few
\nthings I miss since I dropped my CIS account.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1798, from hmccracken, 1081 chars, Mon Mar 4 20:15:13 1991
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Natwick Birthday Tape
\nJust got through watching a videotape of Grim Natwick’s 100th birthday
\nparty last year that will be available soon from Bosko Video. It’s
\ngreat — Chuck Jones, Walt Lantz, Mae Questel, and Marc Davis speak,
\nfollowed by Grim, who is\/was at least as sharp and funny as any of them.
\nThere were 505 people present, including the abovementioned, Art Babbit,
\nFrank Thomas, Ollie Johnston, Art Davis, Irv Spence, Ward Kimball, and
\nmany other great names. Shamus Culhane says that Natwick’s death shortly
\nthereafter was probably caused by the excitement of the party, and the
\ntape shows that it was such a wonderful event that it wasn’t a bad way
\nto go.<\/p>\n

Two fascinating facts from the tape: Chuck Jones points out that
\nUb Iwerks’s last name, spelled backwards and pronounced phonetically,
\ndescribed the man rather well. And Natwick himself notes that when he
\ngot into animation in 1918 at the Hearst Studios, one of the people there
\nwho taught him was Walter Lantz — who was already an established animator
\nand who is alive and well at ninety!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1799, from davemackey, 637 chars, Mon Mar 4 23:05:26 1991
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\nThat sounds fascinating! Since Doug in his catalogue
\nhandles most of the Bosko tapes, I can assume this one will
\nbe available through the Whole Toon Catalogue. How’s the quality
\nof the video? Is it closer to camcorder or pro-quality?
\nI would assume that not all of the 505 people at the party
\nwere in the animation business, but those names you mentioned
\nconstitute a hefty roster on any dais.
\nAnd I find it a little amusing that Natwick, a late bloomer
\nat 28, was being tutored by the whizkid Lantz, ten years his
\njunior, in the techniques of animation. Obviously, Grim paid
\nattention.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1800, from hmccracken, 175 chars, Mon Mar 4 23:23:56 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1799.
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\nThe taping is not especially good, but it gets the job done. What I
\nhave seen is the rough footage which will probably be cleaned up
\na bit for commercial release.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1801, from davemackey, 1194 chars, Thu Mar 7 19:12:02 1991
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\nTITLE: The origin of “Baba Booey”
\nWe’ve made mention of voice talent Billy West from time to time
\nin the conference, noting his affiliation with radio\/TV
\npersonality Howard Stern. But he’s not the only cartoon fan
\nworking on the radio show heard daily in three cities and the
\nhour TV show on superstation WWOR and bound for syndication.
\nGary Dell’Abate, who’s Stern’s right-hand man, has a
\ncollection of limited-edition cels, including one of
\nQuick Draw McGraw and Baba Looie, whom Dell’Abate called “Baba
\nBooey.” Repeating for Stern, he said, “Baba Booey… Baba Booey.”
\nThis brief piece of audio has become a staple of both the radio
\nand TV shows, with Baba Booey slowly replacing Boy Gary as the
\nproducer’s nickname.
\nThis morning on the radio show, Dell’Abate revealed he’s
\nbeen listening to “The Carl Stalling Project” album. When it was
\nexplained to Stern that it’s music from Bugs Bunny cartoons,
\nHoward went into his Gary imitation to mock him, explaining “It’s
\nlike classical music but you hear the music and you connect it to
\nthe cartoon events!” Whether he knew it or not, Howard figured
\nout why the Stalling album is such a success.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1802, from hmccracken, 1244 chars, Fri Mar 8 20:39:00 1991
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\nTITLE: Museum of Cartoon Art Theft
\nFive pieces of artwork were stolen last Sunday from a workroom at the
\nMuseum of Cartoon Art, where the Museum’s upcoming _Fantasia_
\nshow was being prepared. The stolen art included three exquisite pieces
\nof Mickey Mouse from the _Sorcerer’s Apprentice_ segment and two
\nother pieces of at least somewhat lesser interest. The stolen pieces were
\nvalued by their owner, Mike Glad, at somewhere in the low six-figure
\nrange.<\/p>\n

Mike Glad is offering a $5,000 reward, no questions asked, for the art’s
\nreturn. If anybody here might find more detailed information on the
\nstolen pieces or phone numbers for Mike or the Museum useful (not
\nbecause you stole the pieces — \ud83d\ude42 — but in case the pieces turn up in
\nthe marketplace — please ask me and I’ll provide the information. Mike
\nand Jeanne Glad, by the way, have a fantastic collection of animation
\nart which they enthusiastically make public through exhibits such as
\nthis one, loans of art to books and magazines (like mine), and other
\nmeans. So I take this theft personally, and so should you if you’re an
\nanimation fan.<\/p>\n

The _Fantasia_ exhibit, by the way, will continue as planned, with
\nreproductions of the stolen art in place of the originals.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1803, from hmccracken, 463 chars, Sat Mar 9 11:48:53 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1737.
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\nUpdate on the Warner’s TV specials: Jeff Bergman *will* be voicing for
\nthem, though as I say word is that they don’t want anybody out there
\nclaiming to be *the* voice of the Warner’s characters, as Bergman does
\n(and as he should be). The plot of the first special has Bugs Bunny
\non trial on Mars for crimes against humanity (er, martiananity?); the
\nevidence brought against him is in the form of clips from outer space-
\nrelated Warner Bros. cartoons.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1804, from sharonfisher, 260 chars, Sat Mar 9 19:59:45 1991
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\nTITLE: Rocky & Bullwinkle
\nI know that somebody around here was talking about the famous “Kerwood
\nDerby” episode of Rocky & Bullwinkle, but I can’t find it. Anyway, I
\njust wanted to say that I saw a bootleg copy of it last night. So what
\nwas Kirby’s problem?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1805, from davemackey, 197 chars, Sun Mar 10 15:43:37 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1803.
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\nWell, that sounds like an original framing device, and it should
\nget the job done. They’ve got more than enough cartoons with Bugs
\nand the Martian to do it.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1806, from davemackey, 202 chars, Sun Mar 10 15:43:49 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1804.
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\nApparently, Durward Kirby (who generations today have no idea who
\nhe was — he was the original co-host of “Candid Camera” with
\nAllen Funt) couldn’t take a joke.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1807, from bsoron, 985 chars, Sun Mar 10 19:36:04 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1806.
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Incidentally, the newsletter published by the mall chain Record Town
\nto promote new video releases has a one-page article on Bullwinkle,
\nwhich has a few interesting tidbits that I’d never heard before,
\nincluding “‘The Stupor Bowl,’ which was a spoof on the Super Bowl. CBS
\npaid for the script but never allowed it to be produced because TV
\nexecutives feared it would offend the NFL due to the portrayal of some
\nseedy characters who were dangerously similar to certain NFL owners.”<\/p>\n

One item is wrong, though: “In one particularly controversial show,
\nBoris plans to destroy the world’s economy by counterfeiting cereal
\nbox tops. General Mills, the show’s sponsor, was furious because they
\nused box top offers on their cereal boxes. Once they found out what
\nthe show was satirizing, they forced an immediate end, cutting the
\nstoryline short. ‘Box Top Robbery’ has never been seen since.” I
\ndon’t know about cutting the storyline short, but I taped it off WGN
\nback around ’83, ’84.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1808, from hmccracken, 401 chars, Sun Mar 10 20:08:56 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1807.
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\nLegend has it that _The Stupor Bowl_ was actually completed and may
\nhave aired on a local station or two (the special was going to be
\na comeback, BTW; it was worked on fairly recently, within the last
\nten years or so). Ward also produced several failed pilots after
\nhis last network show (_George of the Jungle_) left the air,
\nincluding _Fang the Wonder Dog_ and _Hawkear, Frontier Scout_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1809, from davemackey, 223 chars, Mon Mar 11 01:49:40 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1807.
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\n“Stupor Bowl” was eventually shown a few years ago as a
\nsyndicated special called “The Super Bowlwinkle Show.” It may
\nhave been the first time that episode ever saw the light of day.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1810, from hmccracken, 163 chars, Mon Mar 11 03:23:33 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1809.
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\nDid you see it? Was it any good? Was it really done pretty recently?
\nI’d love to see it. I’m told that Ward’s later pilots were not
\nespecially good.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1811, from davemackey, 156 chars, Mon Mar 11 19:05:35 1991
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\nI wonder how the opening of this show went, given the fact that
\nsome of the pieces were missing due to the robbery.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1812, from davemackey, 864 chars, Mon Mar 11 19:05:56 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1707.
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\nAmong the many interesting things I discovered at the Cinefest
\nthis weekend in Syracuse, New York, was one of those little
\ntobacco trading cards of various film stars, which featured
\nRochelle Hudson, a radio actress who also provided the voice of
\nHoney in the earliest Warner Bros. cartoons. It mentioned that
\nshe was born in 1914 and came to Hollywood in 1930 at the age of
\n16. That’s quite an interesting fact, that the voice of Honey was
\ndone by a teenager.
\nThough the dealer’s room was admittedly slow, I did pick up
\nsome nice 16mm cartoons for my collection including an absolutely
\ngorgeous print of “A Bird In A Bonnet” with full titles and
\ncredits (the cartoon has run on the network show for many years
\nand is rarely seen with the bullseye open\/close) for only $18 —
\na really good price for a 16mm WB cartoon.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1813, from hmccracken, 240 chars, Mon Mar 11 20:36:34 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1811.
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\nAccording to Mike Glad (who wasn’t there, but heard reports from
\nthe scene) the opening went very well and was one of the biggest
\nin the Museum’s history. In a perverse way the publicity of the
\ntheft might have helped attendance.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1814, from davemackey, 222 chars, Mon Mar 11 20:51:11 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1810.
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\nYes, I saw it, but I didn’t roll tape and wasn’t aware of the
\nhistorical significance of the show — I didn’t know that it was
\na “lost episode.”
\nThis ran about 1984-1986 or so.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1815, from davemackey, 123 chars, Mon Mar 11 20:51:37 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1812.
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\nWhoops! This message was not a comment to 1707; it is a Say
\nrather than a Comment.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1816, from davemackey, 754 chars, Mon Mar 11 20:52:17 1991
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\nTITLE: Real people in WB cartoons
\nEveryone knows the in-joke in the opening scene of the WB cartoon
\n“Fish and Slips”: a news story about a fisherman identified as
\nMr. Treg Brown.
\nUpon close examination of the cartoon, I am almost seven
\nhundred percent certain that that’s an actual photograph of WB’s
\ngenius of sound effects posing with that record-breaking
\nshark-nosed tralfaz. There have been many instances of
\ncaricatures of the WB staff getting into the cartoons; this is
\none of a scant few times a picture of one appeared.
\nThe others? The gag ending to “Ride Him Bosko” and the
\nlive action film of Leon Schlesinger, Henry Binder, Gerry
\nChiniquy and Michael Maltese in “You Ought To Be In Pictures.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1817, from davemackey, 470 chars, Mon Mar 11 23:18:40 1991
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\nTITLE: Woody tapes
\nHere are the contents of the two soon-to-be-released Woody
\nWoodpecker 50th anniversary videocassettes.
\n(1) “Woody Woodpecker,” “Banquet Busters,” “The Redwood
\nSap,” and “Born To Peck.”
\n(2) “The Coo-Coo Bird,” “Well Oiled,” “Ace In The Hole,” and
\n“Arts and Flowers.”
\nThe three previous volumes of Walter Lantz animation videos
\nwill be reissued as well, and all these tapes should sell for
\n$14.95.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1818, from richard.pini, 684 chars, Tue Mar 12 10:34:27 1991
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\nTITLE: Cel Restoratopn\u001bion
\nI’ve just discovered that Janet Scagnelli, the person who runs Chelsea
\nAnimation in NYC (this is the studio that does the coloring for the Elfquest
\ncolor volumes) has a very interesting sideline – she does cel restoration.
\nAnd is apparently one of very few people in the country who do so. When I
\nwas down there on other business, I happened to glance over at a nice cel
\nof Tinkerbell. My eyebrows went up with a click, and she said that she’d been
\ndoing that work for a while now. Took me over to a well-locked file and
\nshowed me a bunch of Very Nice Stuff. I told her it was good that she could
\nrestore those cels, as they now had my drool all over them.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1819, from hmccracken, 290 chars, Tue Mar 12 18:14:00 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1818.
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\nOther cel restorers include S\/R Labs and Vintage Ink and Paint in the
\nL.A. area. The latter has gone so far as to purchase some ancient
\npaint-making equipment from the Disney studios (who for many years
\nformulated their own paints) in order to match paint on old cels
\n*exactly*.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1820, from davemackey, 597 chars, Wed Mar 13 19:05:59 1991
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\nTITLE: Can cartoons be designated National Treasures
\nIt was explained in this week’s “TV Guide” that fifty motion
\npictures (including “The Wizard Of Oz” running on CBS next week)
\nhave been federally designated National Treasures, and that it is
\nunlawful to edit or alter them in any way, shape or form.
\nThis would stop the slicing and dicing and of Bugs Bunny and
\nfriends once and for all if someday, the Warner Bros. cartoons as
\na body of work were to be so designated. Anyone else know
\nanything about this designation and how works can be nominated?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1821, from hmccracken, 192 chars, Wed Mar 13 21:50:48 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1820.
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\nWell, _Snow White_ already is one of the lucky fifty. I believe the
\nNational Treasures law has no real legal power — just a sop for
\nWoody Allen and the other anti-Colorizationists.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1822, from bsoron, 77 chars, Thu Mar 14 01:27:13 1991
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Wouldn’t this prevent networks from showing the movies with
\ncommercials?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1823, from davemackey, 428 chars, Thu Mar 14 21:37:52 1991
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\nGood Question — commercial interruptions do disrupt the flow of
\nany film. But I hadn’t heard anything about CBS airing the thing
\nwith no commercials. By law, their stations have to identify
\nthemselves at one point or another.
\nBut by virtue of a television showing, which changes the
\naspect ratio, couldn’t you consider that an alteration? I think
\nthe rules here are a little vague.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1824, from bsoron, 194 chars, Thu Mar 14 21:59:52 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1823.
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I think all these issues may confirm Harry’s note that being on
\nthis list confers no legal status, just an honor. I have my own
\nproblems with some of the films on the list, of course… \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1825, from hmccracken, 963 chars, Sat Mar 16 17:07:03 1991
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\nTITLE: _Cartoon Animation: Introduction to a Career_ is a new
\nbook by Milton Gray that does what its title suggests it does very
\nwell. (Old-time animation fans like me will remember Gray and
\nhold him in high esteem for his role as associate editor of
\n_Funnyworld_ magazine.) The book covers a lot of ground, from
\ndrawing tips to historical information to a table of union wages
\nfor animation artists that makes me wonder if I’m in the wrong
\nbusiness (although not all studios are union shops and I believe
\nsome pay far below union wages). One especially-nice feature is
\na flip-book that, instead of taking up a tiny bit of the corner
\nlike most flip-books do, takes up a whole half-page of each spread
\nand is accompanied by an exposure sheet and comments.<\/p>\n

The book is published by Lion’s Den Publications (Gray’s own company)
\nand retails for $12.95. I don’t know how widely it’s available, but
\nthere is an 800 number for ordering: 1-800-525-8933.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1826, from hkenner, 502 chars, Sat Mar 16 20:24:41 1991
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\nTITLE: The BFG
\nNot sure if this belongs here or in boob.tube. Two hours to kill in
\nPortland (OR), and chanced to light on “The BFG” [Big Friendly Giant]
\non the Disney Channel. Based on a Raold Dahl novel. Dated 1989.
\nCredited to Cosgrove Hall Productions (UK). 90 minutes of full ani-
\nmation, very high quality, with interesting range from frank rotoscoping
\nup to fantasy sequences with good Special FX. Story, after some early
\nwobbles, even held together. Anybody know about Cosgrove Hall?
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1828, from hmccracken, 409 chars, Sat Mar 16 23:40:05 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1826.
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\nCosgrove Hall is best known, in this country, at least, for its
\nvery good puppet animation TV series based on _The Wind in the
\nWillows_, which at one time was a Disney Channel staple. I’d
\nheard that they had done a movie based on _The BFG_, but
\nhaven’t seen it yet.<\/p>\n

If I had two hours to kill in Portland, I’d have no trouble finding
\nthings to do — I grew up ther. Haven’t been back since ’74.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1829, from hkenner, 100 chars, Sun Mar 17 01:41:11 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1828.
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\nBFG *highly* recommended. Was on Disney Channel twice so far this
\nmonth (6th \/ 16th). Stay tuned.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1830, from davemackey, 195 chars, Sun Mar 17 04:39:41 1991
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\nIs this the same Milton Gray who’s been a director for Marvel
\nProductions for a number of years and has also recently directed
\nepisodes of “The Simpsons”?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1831, from hmccracken, 16 chars, Sun Mar 17 09:15:53 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1830.
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\nYup.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1832, from davemackey, 913 chars, Sun Mar 17 19:19:48 1991
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\nTITLE: A Leonard Maltin tidbit
\nLeonard Maltin once wrote in the introduction to his annual
\npaperback extravaganza “TV Movies” that “it’s foolish to cling to
\nold opinions and refuse to see a film in a brand new light.”
\nHe obviously practices what he preaches. In the “Bugs Bunny
\nMagazine” of last year, he names his ten favorite Bugs Bunny
\ncartoons: “What’s Cookin’ Doc?”, “Rabbit Of Seville,” “Tortoise
\nWins By A Hare,” “Slick Hare,” “Little Red Riding Rabbit,”
\n“Wabbit Twouble,” “Old Grey Hare,” “Bugs Bunny Rides Again,”
\n“Rabbit Seasoning,” and “What’s Opera, Doc?”.
\nA past Maltin favorite is “Hare Brush,” which he discussed
\nat length in an article for “Nostalgia Illustrated” in the early
\n70’s and in “Of Mice and Magic.” We don’t know if it would have
\nbeen the 11th or 111th on Maltin’s list, but his enthusiasm for
\nthe cartoon has probably waned over time.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1833, from davemackey, 806 chars, Sun Mar 17 19:20:09 1991
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\nI would certainly challenge that: Cosgrove-Hall is probably
\nbest-known over here (and anywhere for that matter) for
\n“Dangermouse.” “DM”‘s slipped off the air in the past few years
\nbut its successor series “Count Duckula” is still airing on
\nNickelodeon, for whom the series was created.
\nTangentially, you might also know Portland, OR is also the
\nhome of the fictional characters Henry Huggins and Ramona and
\nBeezus Quimby, and the real character Beverly Cleary, who’s
\nwritten a score of books featuring them for the last 41 years.
\nThose are characters I always felt would work well in animation,
\nbut they went ahead and did that live-action “Ramona” series a
\nfew years ago — that killed that idea. (But some of her other
\nworks have been adapted for animation.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1834, from davemackey, 453 chars, Sun Mar 17 19:20:24 1991
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\nTITLE: Not too late for St. Pattie’s Day cartoons!
\nFor your St. Patrick’s day viewing pleasure: “The Wearin’ Of The
\nGrin” (WB, 1950), “Droopy Leprechaun” (MGM, 1957), “The Emerald
\nIsle” (Famous, 1949), “Spooking With A Brogue” (Famous, 1955),
\nand “His Better Elf” (Lantz, 1958)<\/p>\n

More obscure cartoons: “Irish Stew” (Terrytoons, 1930), “Good Old
\nIrish Tunes” (Terrytoons, 1941), “We The Animals Squeak” (WB,
\n1941)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1835, from hmccracken, 443 chars, Sun Mar 17 19:24:43 1991
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\nFair enough; Dangermouse and Count Duckula are better-known then
\nthe _The Wind in the Willows_ films. }i\u0010But _TWITW_ is a lot better.<\/p>\n

Beverly Cleary’s books — at least the ones I’ve read, which is
\nall of them up to 1975 or so — are an incredibly accurate evocation
\nof a Portland childhood. I’ve often wondered if the school that
\nHenry Huggins attended was modeled on one of the ones I went to as
\na kid — they were that similar.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1836, from davemackey, 500 chars, Sun Mar 17 23:23:11 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1835.
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\n“DM” came out during my lull in animation interest, so I don’t
\nreally remember that much about it, but I liked what little I saw
\nof it.
\nI don’t quite remember Cleary’s biographical information but
\nI think she may have worked in the school system in Portland
\nbefore she began writing. She recently had a piece in “Wigwag,”
\nin fact, one of those Bedtime Stories. (I wonder if my failure to
\nrenew killed “Wigwag.” But I don’t stay up nights wondering
\nthat.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1837, from mscoville, 1015 chars, Tue Mar 19 02:03:49 1991
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\nTITLE: Howard Ashman
\nIt is with regret that I report the death of Howard Ashman. He passed away at
\nthe age of 40. According to reports he died March 14th of AIDS. He is known
\nfor his collaboration with his long time associate Alan Menken on Disney’s
\nThe Little Mermaid. They have both just finished the work on Beauty and The
\nBeast and Aladdin which is being done by Disney. It is ashame that just a
\nfew weeks before they were honored with two grammy awards at this years
\nceremonies for their work on Mermaid. They also received two Golden Globe
\nawards for the same movie. He was also responsible for the off Broadway hit
\nLittle Shop of Horrors which he directed as well as writing the book and lyrics
\nfor the show. It was the third highest grossing show off Broadway. According to
\nbio notes: He was born in Baltimore, MD and studied at Goddard College and
\nBoston Univ. He received a masters degree from Indiana Univ. Prior to writing
\nplays he worked for Grossett and Dunlap as an editor.<\/p>\n

He will be missed…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1838, from hmccracken, 49 chars, Tue Mar 19 18:35:36 1991
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\nThat’s sad. He will indeed be missed.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1839, from davemackey, 173 chars, Tue Mar 19 19:09:56 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1837.
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\nHe certainly had a gift for putting words together: his
\nmore fanciful songs in “The Little Mermaid” really played with
\nthe language.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1840, from hmccracken, 1193 chars, Tue Mar 19 23:15:12 1991
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\nTITLE: Warner Bros. Artists: Dead or Alive?
\nThe current issue of _Animation_ magazine (not, I hope, to be confused
\nwith my own _Animato_) prints a letter from a reader inquiring about
\nwhether a bunch of Warner Bros. Cartoons employees — Phil DeGuard,
\nMike Maltese, Ken Harris, Abe Levitow, Richard Thompson, Ben Washam,
\nPhil Monroe, Lloyd Vaughn (sic), Charles Thorson, and Arthur Q. Bryon
\n(sic). The magazine replies that none of the above are in their
\nsubscription files, that Warner Bros. says that Maltese, Levitow, and
\nWasham “are all believed deceased,” and that “Bryon” died in the 1950s.
\nThe rest they don’t know about.<\/p>\n

Now, I’m not suggesting that the editors of the leading (in circulation,
\nat least) magazine on animated films should know this information off
\nthe top of their heads. There are a couple on the above list that I’m
\nnot sure about. (Whoops, just noticed that _Animation_ reports that
\nWarner Bros. says that Richard Thompson is alive.) But you’d think
\nthey’d know a few more people to ask before they printed their response
\nin the magazine.<\/p>\n

Just for fun, I’ll throw the question out here: anybody know which of
\nthe above gentleman are still with us?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1841, from davemackey, 338 chars, Wed Mar 20 20:58:27 1991
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\nTITLE: Disney settles with Peggy Lee
\nYes, folks, it seems that the Walt Disney Studios have aggreed to
\nsettle that lawsuit that Peggy Lee filed, claiming she’s due
\nroyalties for videocassette sales of “Lady And The Tramp” for
\nwhich she did voices.
\nI should have more details on this later on.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1842, from davemackey, 347 chars, Wed Mar 20 20:58:41 1991
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\nTITLE: Vance Colvig
\nVance Colvig passed away (cancer) on March 4 at the age of 72. He
\nwas a radio writer and actor, but most people on this conference
\nwould probably remember him as the voice of Yakky Doodle’s dog
\nfriend Chopper.
\nI don’t know for sure, but Vance may have been related to
\nPinto Colvig.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1843, from hmccracken, 189 chars, Wed Mar 20 21:05:58 1991
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\nI am not 100% positive, but I believe Vance was Pinto’s son. He also
\nhad a live-action career and appeared in an episode of Steven Spielberg’s
\n_Amazing Stories_ a few years ago.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1844, from davemackey, 452 chars, Wed Mar 20 21:42:31 1991
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\nThis looks like a job for Ani-Man!
\nMost of them have gone to that great light table in the sky.
\nGoing somewhat in order: DeGuard died in 1982, Maltese in 1981,
\nHarris in 1982, Levitow is deceased (you told me) but I don’t
\nknow when, Thompson is still with us, Washam left us in the
\nmid-80’s, Monroe and Vaughan about 1988, Thorson I don’t know but
\nprobably is no longer among the living, and Bryan in 1959.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1845, from hmccracken, 279 chars, Wed Mar 20 22:16:13 1991
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\nThat’s the same information I have. Levitow died in the late 1970s or
\nearly 1980s. Thorson could still be alive, but hasn’t done anything
\nin animation in a long time so far as I know (he had other art
\ninterests — I have a children’s book he wrote and illustrated).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1846, from drtoon, 356 chars, Wed Mar 20 22:53:29 1991
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\nTITLE: Beany & Cecil
\nInformation Please: Does anyone know the Beany & Cecil series well enough
\nto remember a character called Chester The Frog? He was a caricature of
\nChester from Gunsmoke. A customer has asked for all episodes in which
\nChester appeared. One episode may possibly be *Beany’s Buffalo Hunt*. Any
\nfurther info will be most appreciated.
\n-Doug<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1847, from davemackey, 166 chars, Thu Mar 21 04:28:55 1991
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\nThe amount of the settlement was $4 million. She had only been paid
\nabout $3500 for not only voices but writing a few tunes.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1848, from sje, 264 chars, Thu Mar 21 19:25:56 1991
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\nI heard that the settlement was $2 million. Perhaps the lawyers took
\nhalf of an original $4 million.
\nThere was also some news a few months back about a similar suit by
\nanother actress for work done in _Cinderella_. Perhaps this was settled
\nquietly. — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1849, from hmccracken, 242 chars, Thu Mar 21 21:02:13 1991
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\nThe _Wall Street Journal_ had a long article on the suit and said
\n2-point-something was the settlement figure. But then they also
\nsaid the Ilene Woods voiced Snow White (She didn’t; I think she
\ndid Cinderella, as you allude to).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1850, from hmccracken, 223 chars, Thu Mar 21 21:03:16 1991
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\nGee, I don’t rememver Chester popping up in any of the (relatively
\nfew) episodes I’ve seen in recent years. However, I believe I have
\na guide to at least some of the tapes hanging around, which I will
\nconsult…
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1851, from davemackey, 316 chars, Thu Mar 21 21:05:00 1991
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\nThe only character I cam remember that even reminded me of
\nChester was Clopalong Catskill. He was a frog who limped like
\nChester but sang in a very pronounced Yiddish accent.
\nI don’t have all the B&C tapes so I can’t give you an
\nall-encompassing list of his appearances.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1852, from davemackey, 398 chars, Thu Mar 21 21:05:16 1991
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\nIf Pinto’s real name was Vance, then you’re on the money: the man
\nwho just died was Vance Colvig, Jr.
\nBut I don’t know if Pinto was old enough to sire a son in
\n1919.
\nI hope when Cawley and Korkis come out with their massive
\nbook of animation personnel, guessing games like this (and the
\none about the Warner animators) will be a thing of the past.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1853, from hmccracken, 392 chars, Fri Mar 22 01:37:14 1991
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\nPinto probably was old enough to be Vance’s dad; he died in 1969 or
\nthereabouts, and not prematurely. He had been a circus clown before
\nhe entered animation, too, so he was well into adulthood by the
\nearly 1930s. The book you refer to is by John Cawley alone, and
\nat last report he was considering postponing its publication until
\nnext year, due to the press of other projects.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1854, from davemackey, 358 chars, Fri Mar 22 18:42:47 1991
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\nWhatever the settlement was (I think it was actually about $3.8
\nmillion), it’s nowhere near the $72 million that Lee was asking.
\nIt’s been a fact that Lee has not been well in recent years,
\nso perhaps Disney threw her some money so she could live
\ncomfortably in what little time she has left, from some accounts.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1855, from hmccracken, 563 chars, Sat Mar 23 09:52:36 1991
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\nWas this an out-of-court settlement or was she awarded the money by
\nthe judge? I thought the latter was the case, and the current Disney
\nfolks are notoriously skinflinty. Also, any willing move on their
\npart to pay the money might open the floodgates and cause everybody
\nwho ever did a cartoon voice to sue for royalties. From what I
\nknow of the case Lee had quite a legitimate-sounding case to get more
\nmoney — her contract specified that she would be paid for “transcriptions”
\nof er work, and the question was exactly what a “transcription” was.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1856, from davemackey, 567 chars, Sat Mar 23 19:21:11 1991
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\nI think it was the judge’s decision. I haven’t seen any articles
\nin print on the verdict, but will probably have something more
\nconcrete by the middle of next week (when I get my trade
\npapers).
\nLee filed on behalf of several other voice artists who had
\nsimilar contracts, as well as herself. Disney’s contention was
\nthat the animated characters are the stars of their films, not
\nthe people who provided their voices. (But you know and I know
\nthat this so-called “Disney Magic” doesn’t just happen. People
\nmake it happen.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1857, from davemackey, 1172 chars, Sun Mar 24 09:08:05 1991
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\nI found an AP article about the settlement and its side effects.
\nThe facts are that a Los Angeles Superior Court jury awarded
\nPeggy Lee $3.83 million. She sued for breach of contract,
\nunauthorized use of her voice, and unjust enrichment.
\nHere’s the fallout: Mary Costa, voice of Sleeping Beauty, is
\nnow going to sue for $2 million, and her attorneys list 22 other
\nvoice performers who may be entitled to additional compensation.
\nA similar suit for $20 million was filed by Ilene Woods, voice of
\nCinderella. (By contrast, Adriana Caselotti, voice of Snow White,
\nisn’t going to sue.)
\nThe Associated Press quoted June Foray, voice of Bullwinkle
\nMoose (that’s what they said, and if you see it in an AP
\ndispatch, it must be true… right?), as saying “she has set a
\nprecedent and I’m delighted about it. This will open up a can of
\nworms.” Don Messick added, “She made important headway and it
\ndoes filter down to us on the lower rungs.”
\nDisney’s VP\/counsel, Ed Nowak, doesn’t think that even
\nif the ruling were upheld, there will be that much of a side
\neffect, since few voice talent contracts are similar to Lee’s.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1858, from sje, 1212 chars, Sun Mar 24 09:35:12 1991
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\nThanks for the information. While I can understand that few could
\nhave foreseen home video as it is today from forty years ago, I don’t see
\nwhy it has taken the various voice talents this long to file suit. I would
\nthink that the fact that the defendants waited so long to seek redress would
\nmitigate against any deciding that any injuries were that serious. The
\nmegabuck awards are clearly excessive and I would hope that they be
\nreduced (but not reversed upon appeal).<\/p>\n

I can’t help but think that the reason that Disney is getting
\nshafted with these high awards is because of recent public and non-public
\nevidence (the leaked Katzenberg memo) that “the Company’s only real interest
\nis the [immediate] bottom-line; all else is secondary”. Another problem
\nis their tendency not to credit the various talents (voice and art) with the
\ndetail that such talents deserve.<\/p>\n

Clearly, Mike Eisner as president has had a great record in helping
\nthe company to make a lot of money and to recover from problems it had in
\nthe 1970s. It is also clear that what the company could really use is
\nsomeone with a flair for showmanship and a solid view on the future that
\nhasn’t been seen since Walt’s passing. — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1859, from hmccracken, 975 chars, Sun Mar 24 13:38:10 1991
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\nWell said, Steve. Eisner & company have a real talent for pushing
\nideas (the theme parks, the Disney stores, Disney TV animation) to
\ntheir natural limits. They also have done well with some business
\nareas that the previous Disney regime chose not to get into —
\nR rated movies, TV animation, etc. They are fabulous marketers, but
\nnot visionaries or nurturers of art, as Walt was at various points
\nin his career.<\/p>\n

If I was a Disney stockholder, I’d be *very* happy; as a fan of
\nDisney animation (and to a lesser extent, the theme parks) my
\nfeelings are mixed. I congratulate Disney for managing to bring
\nout a respectable animated feature once every year, something even
\nWalt was only able to do rarely. And I think Disney-MGM Studios is
\nterrific. But I’m less than happy with the overcommercialization
\nof the Disney characters, the hours of mediocre TV cartoons, and
\nperhaps more than anything the seeming insincerity in a lot of the
\nthings they say and do.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1860, from hmccracken, 486 chars, Sun Mar 24 13:40:45 1991
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\nI think people are happy about the results partially because Disney
\nhas such a bad reputation for bullying, underpaying, and generally
\nmistreating creative people, Dave. The impression people seem to
\nget is that Disney acts that way because they can; Lee’s successful
\nlawsuit is evidence that maybe they can’t always act that way. Of
\ncourse, four million bucks is peanuts to a big company and probably
\nwon’t force them to realize the error of their ways, but it’s a
\nstart.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1861, from davemackey, 140 chars, Mon Mar 25 21:57:26 1991
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\nTITLE: The Winner Is…
\nThe Best Animated Short Film Oscar has just been awarded to “Creature
\nComforts.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1862, from davemackey, 329 chars, Mon Mar 25 22:06:24 1991
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\nTITLE: Woody at the Oscars
\nWoody Woodpecker presented the Best Animated Short award, and it
\nwas quite strange to see. Character design and voice
\ncharacterization harken back to the 40’s Ben Hardaway version,
\ndiscarding all the further evolution that gave birth to the
\nfamiliar 50’s Woody.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1863, from hmccracken, 337 chars, Mon Mar 25 22:24:53 1991
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\nDarn! I forgot entirely about the Oscars, which shows you how
\ninterested I am in such things. I do usually catch the animation award.
\nIt’s good to hear that Woody is alive and well; Universal’s investment
\nin Harvey, licensing of the Hanna-Barbera character, etc. suggested
\nthat they’d lost interest in the Lantz characters.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1864, from hmccracken, 692 chars, Mon Mar 25 22:31:17 1991
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\nTITLE: Howard Lowery Auction, April 7th
\nThe Howard Lowery Galleries in Burbank are having another one of
\ntheir incredible animation art auctions on Apil 7th. The catalog
\nfor this thing is unbelievable — full of great reproductions of
\nstuff I’d love to have. (How I wish I had a spare $2,000 to
\nput into a vintage 1930s animation table from the Disney studios!
\nThere’s also a copy of a book, estimated at $300-$500, that I
\ndecided not to buy at $25 a few years ago and have been slowly
\npunishing myself for doing so ever since.)<\/p>\n

The catalog is expensive — something like $12 — but worth it, even
\nif you don’t plan to bid on anything. Lowery can be reached at
\n(818) 972-9080.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1865, from jshook, 48 chars, Mon Mar 25 23:59:07 1991
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\nEven a stopped clock is right twice a day…..<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1866, from jshook, 47 chars, Tue Mar 26 00:01:00 1991
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\nWhat was the book that you decided not to buy?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1867, from hmccracken, 274 chars, Tue Mar 26 00:26:34 1991
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\nA World War II Disney childrens’ book that featured splendid illustrations
\nof Mickey and the gang in military duds assaulting the Nazis and Hirohito
\nand company. A fascinating period piece. I also saw it about a year
\nago for $75, and didn’t buy it then, either.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1868, from richard.pini, 101 chars, Tue Mar 26 11:18:10 1991
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\nIt was *very* weird to see the old nearly-crosseyed, slightly dangerously
\ninsane looking Woody, yes.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1869, from richard.pini, 59 chars, Tue Mar 26 11:18:59 1991
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\nHarry, you should be learning a lesson from all this… \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1870, from hmccracken, 506 chars, Tue Mar 26 18:36:15 1991
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\nI think the lesson I need to have learned was to have been born a
\nfew years before I was. I keep not *quite* having enough money
\nto buy something I want which then shoots way out of my range the
\nmoment I could have afforded it at the old price.<\/p>\n

I didn’t mention one other factor that made $25 seem like a lot of
\nmoney for that book: I was in the period between graduating from
\ncollege and finding a job, and $25 seemed like a lot to unemployed
\nme.<\/p>\n

(Of course, I found a job the next week…)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1871, from davemackey, 790 chars, Tue Mar 26 19:06:57 1991
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\nI wasn’t going to watch, either, because I don’t believe in the
\nHollywood dogma and politics that dictate that message pictures
\nare more crucial to the filmmaking community than what Maurice
\nNoble likes to call “the fun classics.” And this applies to the
\nanimation category — that small, nostalgic part of me wanted
\nBugs or Roger to at least get a nomination in a category
\ndominated by independent films for the last 25 years. But I tuned
\nin so I could post the Animation winner.
\nOther thoughts: I see that “Dick Tracy” took home a deserved
\nOscar for some of the best cartoony makeup I’ve seen in films in
\nyears.
\nAnd how about Whoopi Goldberg, the first black woman to win
\nan Oscar since…. probably Hattie McDaniel or Butterfly McQueen?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1872, from davemackey, 201 chars, Tue Mar 26 19:07:08 1991
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\n$12 for an animation auction catalogue is a bargain compared to
\nsome of the big New York auction houses, whose catalogues can
\nsometimes go for $20. Oucheroonie!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1873, from davemackey, 357 chars, Tue Mar 26 19:39:19 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1868.
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\nA Woody you would not let date your daughter, under any
\ncircumstances.
\nBut this is also the Woody of such cartoon craftsmen as
\nShamus Culhane, Dick Lundy and Alex Lovy — men who were able to
\nmake Woody cartoons of a higher achievement; those which followed
\nin later decades don’t cut the mustard in most cases.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1874, from davemackey, 224 chars, Tue Mar 26 19:39:44 1991
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\nI checked the Oscar records… it seems that Whoopi was indeed
\nthe first black woman since Hattie McDaniel to win a major acting
\nOscar.
\nButterfly McQueen coulda been a contender!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1875, from hmccracken, 266 chars, Tue Mar 26 22:52:44 1991
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\nIs this the Woody of _Knock Knock_ (i.e., strioped legs, crossed
\neyes, etc.) or the later model where he still had a sort of
\nelongated head but was not quite so grotesque — I think that
\nversion was designed by Art Heinemann? (Pardon the syntax
\nthere.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1876, from hmccracken, 165 chars, Tue Mar 26 22:54:11 1991
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\nWhoops, that message was meant to point towards 1873, not 1874.
\nI was *not* bringing Woody Woodpecker into a discussion of
\nblack actresses and the Oscars.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1877, from davemackey, 754 chars, Wed Mar 27 19:08:26 1991
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\nThe Woody at the Oscars definitely looked like the later-40’s
\nmodel, not the multicolored big-legged nightmare of character
\ndesign (which would have had to have a Mel Blanc voice to be
\naccurate; Bugs Hardaway was actually doing the Woody voice by
\nthis time.)
\nArt Heinemann made various design improvements in the
\n1940’s; the more mature Woody of the 50’s was based on further
\ntinkering by La Verne Harding.
\nI wonder if Walt and Gracie Lantz saw the Woody thing and
\nwhat their thoughts were on it. Incidentally, I couldn’t discern
\nany credits for the animated sequence at the end of the telecast,
\nso I don’t have any idea who did it — unless it was some of the
\nfirst work from Universal Cartoon Studios.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1878, from davemackey, 578 chars, Wed Mar 27 19:08:58 1991
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\nTITLE: Farewell to “Musselmutt”
\nNot that it was the only role he ever played, but it should be
\nnoted that film actor Aldo Ray, who died today in a Veteran’s
\nhospital in California, was the voice of Musselmutt on the 1972
\ncartoon series “The Houndcats,” produced by DePatie-Freleng.
\nMusselmutt was the big sheepdog member of the Houndcats team.
\nRay, who passed away at the age of 64 after a bout with
\nthroat cancer and pneumonia complications, was a fixture in many
\nwar films, and later gained notoriety for his work in a porno
\nfilm.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1879, from hmccracken, 1075 chars, Wed Mar 27 20:02:37 1991
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\nTITLE: I’ve been reading a book on cartoon and humor markets that
\nhas a section in which a bunch of (mostly little-known) cartoonists
\nlist “the funniest cartoon ever drawn,” which boils down to being
\neach of these cartoonists’ favorite cartoon. None of them sound very
\nfunny, and I’m not sure if it’s because these guys have bad taste,
\nbecause good cartoons cannot be described, or what.<\/p>\n

This made me remember my two favorite cartoons (we are talking, by
\nthe way, about magazine cartoons, not animated ones or any other
\nkind here). One is famous: Thurber’s cartoon of a fencer exclaiming
\n“Touche!” while lopping off his opponent’s head. It just seems to sum
\nup a lot of things somehow and I think of it often. The other is less
\nwell-known: a George Price cartoon of his basic elderly couple. The
\nwife is sitting in bed at night reading. The husband is standing, dressed
\nin full Civil War regalia. Wife to husband: “As long as you’re Grant,
\nget me a 7-UP.” This never fails to crack me up.<\/p>\n

Anyone out there care to share their favorite magazine cartoons?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1880, from davemackey, 660 chars, Wed Mar 27 23:09:56 1991
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\nWell, as far as magazine cartoons go, the one cartoonist who
\nnever fails to hit either a funnybone or a raw nerve is Roz
\nChast, who’s had several volumes of her New Yorker and National
\nLampoon cartoons published. One of her better ones was captioned
\n“even as a little boy, he preferred to ride the couch on the
\nmerry-go-round.”
\nI’m also partial to Sam Gross’ famous “frog’s legs” cartoon
\nfrom Lampoon, and I always liked Charles Addams’ stuff.
\nEven though they’re not cartoons per se, the spot illos by
\nDave Bennett that appear periodically in Model Railroader and
\nClassic Toy Trains always give me a chuckle.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1881, from davemackey, 714 chars, Wed Mar 27 23:10:14 1991
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\nTITLE: Animation on the Jersey Shore?
\nMentioned ever-so-briefly in John Province’s interview with the
\nlate Grim Natwick in Animato! #21 is the fact that Bill Nolan
\n(eventual partner of Walter Lantz) operated a small animation
\nstudio in the seaside town of Long Branch, New Jersey, about 50
\nmiles from New York.
\nBecause I was born in Long Branch, worked there for four
\nyears, and grew up and still live in a town nearby, I am curious
\nto know more about the studio, where it was, and what they
\nproduced. Before I embark on what is probably going to be a very
\nintensive research project, I was wondering if anyone out there
\nknew anything more about this before I proceed.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1882, from hmccracken, 490 chars, Wed Mar 27 23:25:30 1991
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\nI hadn’t heard of the studio before I read the interview, Dave.
\nHave you checked Donald Crafton’s _Before Mickey_ for coverage
\nof the studio?<\/p>\n

Nolan’s studio was probably just a small room somewhere, but I’d
\nlove to know if the building still stands. Did you know that
\nMax Fleischer’s Miami studio building later became a facility
\nof some (I forget which) airline, and is now a community center?
\nOr that Walt Disney’s fabled Hyperion studio still stands…but
\nis a supermarket?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1883, from hmccracken, 991 chars, Wed Mar 27 23:33:14 1991
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\nI think the quality of New Yorker cartoons has declined lately; there
\nis no signle cartoonist whose work is a guaranteed chuckle. But
\nmost of them (with the exception of some of the newer ones) raise
\na giggle at least some of the time. George Price, who is quickly
\nbecoming the Grim Natwick of magazine cartooning, has been drawing
\nfor the magazine since the early 1930s (and for other magazines
\nbefore that), and his work is still very funny and graphically the
\nmost striking stuff the New Yorker publishes. Unfortunately he
\nseems to get published less and less often, which is either a sign
\nthat he’s slowing down or that he’s having trouble getting cartoons
\naccepter, I guess. Chon Day was another New Yorker cartoonist of
\nvery advanced years whose publication there got rarer and rarer and
\nfinally ended. I saw a cartoon of his in the Wall Street Journal
\nthe other day, though. I think Day has been a published cartoonist
\nsince the mid-1920s or late 1920s at the latest.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1884, from jshook, 229 chars, Thu Mar 28 01:31:45 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1879.
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\nOne of my favorites is your basic two-guys-in-a-bar situation.
\nOne of them is looking a little glum and says to the other
\nguy: “Sometimes it all seems so meaningless…like I’m just
\na character in some cartoon somebody drew….”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1885, from richard.pini, 69 chars, Thu Mar 28 19:06:56 1991
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\nGeorge Booth, rest him, and his (a) dogs and (b) man in the bathtub.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1886, from davemackey, 255 chars, Thu Mar 28 19:09:12 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1882.
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\nThat’s what I’d really like to know. There are quite a few old
\nbuildings still standing on Broadway in Long Branch which seem
\nlike likely candidates. For all I know it could have been the
\nsame building I worked in.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1887, from hmccracken, 202 chars, Thu Mar 28 19:15:43 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1885.
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\nMy favorite Booth creations are his incompetent mechanics, who
\nhave *got* to be based on some I’ve done business with.
\nUnfortunately, I think Booth’s current work is far below
\nhis best stuff.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1888, from richard.pini, 614 chars, Fri Mar 29 09:10:53 1991
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\nTITLE: Disneyoid help?
\nCan anyone here tell me if (a) there was ever a Goody cartoon called some-
\nthing like “Goofy’s Success Story” and then (b) if, within that cartoon,
\nthere is anything that happens in or around Griffith Observatory in L.A.?
\nI realize that that’s a goodly bit of arcane stuff to dig up, but my reason
\nfor asking is that I discovered a background painting – shot of Griffith
\non its hill overlooking the lights of L.A. – that I recall buying years ago
\nat a convention. The dealer told me that it was from that cartoon, but
\nmemory doth what memroy doth, so I’d like to reconfirm, if possible…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1889, from davemackey, 341 chars, Fri Mar 29 21:00:16 1991
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\nIf only Dave Smith, head of the Disney Archives, were here, he’d
\nstraighten this out for us.
\nThe only Goofy theatrical cartoon that has a title even
\nclose to the spirit of what you state was “Get Rich Quick,”
\nreleased in 1951. I would suppose getting rich quick is something
\nof a success story.<\/p>\n

–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1890, from hmccracken, 243 chars, Fri Mar 29 21:09:14 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1889.
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\nI will have to do some more research, but both the title and
\nthe Griffith observatory background ring a bell. The title
\nsounds like it might have been from an episode of _Disneyland_
\nor whatever the Disney TV show was at the time.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1891, from davemackey, 502 chars, Sat Mar 30 01:01:13 1991
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\nTITLE: A-R-S-E-N-I-?
\nYou know the Popeye cartoon “How Green Is My Spinach” where Bluto
\nis doctoring the killer spinach with various toxic substances?
\nOne of which comes from a vat clearly labeled “ARSENIC”. Call me
\nnuts, but the way it’s written on the vat, it looks like it
\nshould say “ARSENIO”. (Which is only fitting because Paramount
\nknew that 40 years down the road, they’d have a guy named Arsenio
\nworking for them, so they better start plugging him now.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1892, from hmccracken, 234 chars, Sat Mar 30 08:07:54 1991
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\nI once fabricated a newspaper article which reported on “Ruxpinizing,”
\na process invented by Ted Turner by which footage of Teddy Ruxpin
\ncould be added into old cartoons. Maybe Paramount is Aresenioizing
\nits cartoons. \ud83d\ude09
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1893, from davemackey, 218 chars, Sat Mar 30 12:20:08 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1892.
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\nNow that’s plain silly. Almost as silly as this idea: Ted Turner
\ntakes all the dynamite scenes in his cartoons and replaces the
\nblock lettering TNT with his TNT network logo….
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1894, from davemackey, 340 chars, Sat Mar 30 19:23:44 1991
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\nTITLE: Moose and Squirrel on top
\nThe latest Billboard Video Sales chart has “The Adventures Of
\nRocky And Bullwinkle Vol. 1” at the No. 1 spot, first time one of
\nthe tapes has cracked the highwater mark.
\n“DuckTales The Movie — Treasure Of The Lost Lamp” debuted
\non the chart this week at No. 7.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1895, from hmccracken, 134 chars, Sat Mar 30 21:41:48 1991
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\nTITLE: John Canemaker’s book
\non Felix the Cat is out. Looks good. More details after I’ve
\nactually obtained and read it.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1896, from bsoron, 206 chars, Sat Mar 30 22:37:00 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1883.
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Most of the magazines I read are nerdy ones like Byte that don’t run
\ncartoons, but my favorite single-panel cartoonist these days is Joe
\nMartin, whose Mister Boffo strip busts me up on a regular basis.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1897, from sje, 396 chars, Sat Mar 30 22:45:51 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1896.
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\nYears ago, _Byte_ did run a sporadic comic strip that was a take-off
\non _Star Trek_. It was about an 18th Century English sailing ship called
\nthe “HMS Empty-Eyes” and had a first officer by the name of “Mr. Flock”.
\nThis was back in the days when the magazine still had BOMB (a feedback
\nsurvey) and every issue had a Tinney cover and a Ciarcia hacker article.
\nAh, those were the days! — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1898, from bsoron, 143 chars, Sat Mar 30 22:49:19 1991
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I’ve been a regular reader of Byte for over a decade, but I’ve always
\nhated Star Trek, so I don’t remember the strip. For better or worse.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1899, from sje, 61 chars, Sun Mar 31 00:23:03 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1898.
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\nThe HMS Empty Eyes last sailed around 1978 or so. — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1900, from davemackey, 418 chars, Sun Mar 31 00:23:12 1991
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\nTITLE: “The British Animation Invasion”
\nAbove titled feature compilation is presently running in one of
\nthe smaller Village theatres in New York City and presents an
\noverview of recent British animation, including this year’s
\nAcademy Award winner, “Creature Comforts.” This might be worth
\nchecking out if you’re in the New York area. (Might be running in
\nother cities as well.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1901, from dquick, 51 chars, Sun Mar 31 01:47:17 1991
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\nIt’s running in Minneapolis this week.<\/p>\n

Dave Quick<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1902, from morganfox, 22 chars, Sun Mar 31 09:18:58 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1900.
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\nNot to mention #1900!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1903, from hmccracken, 379 chars, Sun Mar 31 12:16:11 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1900.
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\nIt’s running in Boston and I should have mentioned it. It’s certainly
\nworth seeing, although I think anyone who formed their entire opinion
\nof British animation from seeing it would come to the conclusion that
\nthe British are brilliant stylists and technicians who are unable to
\ntell a coherent story. The show is full of great films that don’t make
\na lot of sense.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1904, from mscoville, 758 chars, Sun Mar 31 19:07:29 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1895.
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\nJOhn Canemaker’s book is wonderful. It is what one would expect from a
\ngreat animation historian. It is filled with lots of tidbits. It is a sad’
\nstory. He did a great job of chronicling the growth of Felix world wide and
\nthen his demise. The demise was with the talkies entering the marketplace and
\nwhen Disney did Steamboat Willie, well it was down hill after that for the
\nworld’s famous cat. It also gives credit to Otto Messmer for his contribution
\nas the creator of Felix. The book is approximately 180 pages in length with
\nboth color and black and white photos throughout.<\/p>\n

The book retails for $30.00. If anyone would like a signed copy of the book
\nleave me a note in the mail department. We can get it for $24.00 plus $2.50
\nfor shipping. mscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1905, from hmccracken, 440 chars, Sun Mar 31 19:08:41 1991
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\nTITLE: Check out today’s _New York Times_ for two cartoon-related
\nitems of note: a (favorable) review of John Canemaker’s _Felix_ book
\n(which reveals the interesting tidbit that Pat Sullivan spent time
\nin Sing Sing for rape of a 14-year-old girl), and a nifty comic strip
\n(! — this *is* the _Times_ we’re talking about) by cartoonists Jules
\nFeiffer and Lynda Barry discussing the differences between cartooning
\nand playwriting.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1906, from davemackey, 207 chars, Mon Apr 1 00:13:27 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1898.
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\nI’m probably one of the rare few BIXen who have never picked up
\nand held a copy of Byte (and thus wouldn’t be able to pick Jerry
\nPournelle out of a police lineup)….
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1907, from bsoron, 72 chars, Mon Apr 1 11:08:49 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1906.
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… although there are plenty of Bixen who’d like to try. (rimshot)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1908, from davemackey, 188 chars, Mon Apr 1 19:05:06 1991
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\nTITLE: Right answer, wrong definition
\nFrom the TV Guide Crossword in the April 6 issue: the word DOE is
\ndefined as “Bambi’s friend Phylline.” Ouch.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1909, from davemackey, 87 chars, Mon Apr 1 19:05:14 1991
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\n“Lynda Barry is, was, and always will be Funk Queen of North
\nAmerica.” –Matt Groening<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1910, from davemackey, 123 chars, Mon Apr 1 19:05:22 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1902.
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\nSee, Morgan, even with JLBLINK, I manage to get my share of the
\n“good numbers”! \ud83d\ude09
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1911, from davemackey, 258 chars, Mon Apr 1 22:16:29 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1891.
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\nThis cartoon, incidentally, had an ensuing gag from the same
\nscene edited by the New York station that ran Popeye cartoons for
\nmany years. The station edited out when Bluto revealed that DDT
\nstood for Drop Dead Twice.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1912, from bsoron, 30 chars, Tue Apr 2 00:30:35 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1909.
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If only she could draw…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1913, from davemackey, 1138 chars, Tue Apr 2 20:31:27 1991
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\nTITLE: Night at the movies
\nIn the early 1980’s, Warner Bros.’ released a videocassette
\nseries of movies under the umbrella title “A Night At The
\nMovies.” This simulated a night at the movies (hence the title)
\nby presenting a feature film preceded by a WB cartoon and a
\nnewsreel.
\nThe reason I’m boring you with this is I haven’t been able
\nto figure out what the 1957 entry in the series was. If anyone
\nknows, please speak now or forever hold your tongue. Here’s a
\nlist of those I’ve been able to positively identify.<\/p>\n

Year Feature Cartoon
\n1955 “Battle Cry” “Speedy Gonzales”
\n1956 “The Wrong Man” “A Star Is Bored”
\n1957 ? ?
\n1958 “Auntie Mame” “Hook Line & Stinker”
\n1959 “The Young Philadelphians” “People Are Bunny”
\n1960 “Ocean’s 11” “Person To Bunny”
\n1961 “Fanny” “The Last Hungry Cat”<\/p>\n

I have a feeling there may have been an eighth, from 1962, and I
\nvaguely remember the cartoon being with Pepe LePew, possibly
\n“Louvre Come Back To Me.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1914, from davemackey, 204 chars, Fri Apr 5 19:09:13 1991
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\nThe Animation Conference credo: let no question go unanswered.
\nThe publisher of “The Dot And The Line” is Random House, who may
\nhave published the book originally.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1915, from richard.pini, 40 chars, Sat Apr 6 17:43:45 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1914.
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\nSet the Wayback for 1665, Sherman… \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1916, from hmccracken, 428 chars, Sat Apr 6 20:11:53 1991
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\nTITLE: Animation CBIX next Tuesday at 10:00 est…
\nCome and join us! There will be no set topic, so we’ll discuss
\nwhatever folks feel like chatting about. (Japanese animation?
\nCollecting original art? _Calvin and Hobbes_’ sabbatical?
\nAll of the above?)<\/p>\n

Previous animation CBIXes, held on a sporadic basis, have been a lot
\nof fun. This will be the first of our weekly get-togethers, and we
\nhope to see you there.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1917, from hmccracken, 407 chars, Thu Apr 11 23:14:50 1991
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\nThe bunch of BIXen who showed up for the CBIX know that we all had
\na good time discussing Disney World, _Akira_, comic books we
\nthink should be animated, the Disney Stores, risque material in
\nTV cartoons, whether or not _Fantasia_ will ever come out on
\nvideo, and a whole lot of other stuff. It’ll all happen again
\nnext Tuesday (presumably with different but equally-interesting
\ntopics, I mean).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1918, from bsoron, 127 chars, Fri Apr 12 02:40:03 1991
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Sorry I missed it — it’s been a busy week, but I hope to catch
\none of the upcoming CBIXes. Will transcripts be available?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1919, from rjenks, 195 chars, Fri Apr 12 03:11:56 1991
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\nToo bad I couldn’t make it… My room-mate gets mad when I’m on the phone
\nat 7pm Pacific for long periods of time… But I’m moving to Dallas in June
\nso I’ll be able to peek in then…<\/p>\n

-Robert<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1920, from hmccracken, 118 chars, Fri Apr 12 18:06:39 1991
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\nI recorded the session and would be glad to edit it and upload
\nit to the listings if folks are interested.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1921, from bsoron, 205 chars, Sat Apr 13 14:23:18 1991
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Well, I’m interested… I don’t know how many votes are needed. Maybe
\neach transcript can be posted in listings for a week, to be replaced by
\nits successor, for those who missed it or want a souvenir?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1922, from hmccracken, 90 chars, Sat Apr 13 16:01:25 1991
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\nThe motion passes, 1 to 0. \ud83d\ude42 I’ll put the transcript up as
\nsoon as possible.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1923, from hmccracken, 273 chars, Sun Apr 14 17:03:44 1991
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\nWell, I’ll *try* to upload the transcript. I edited and prettified
\nit for listings, then had trouble uploading it, and when I attempted
\nto load it back into Word, I was told it couldn’t be opened.
\nI may have somehow corrupted the file, but I’ll see wh I can do.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1924, from bsoron, 67 chars, Sun Apr 14 17:38:51 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1923.
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Well, this will at least teach me to be there in person… \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1925, from adunkin, 93 chars, Sun Apr 14 21:47:43 1991
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\nHope to see you in Dallas sometime .. it’s great but with a few problems.<\/p>\n

— Alan Dunkin<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1926, from davemackey, 461 chars, Mon Apr 15 21:15:00 1991
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\nTITLE: A thought about “Beezy Bear”
\nOne of Jack Hannah’s later cartoons for Disney, “Beezy Bear,”
\nends rather curiously. The ranger, the bear and Donald are all in
\nthe water. The ranger says “You take too many baths” and hits the
\nbear on the head, then Donald says “Yeah” and repeats the action.
\nWhat’s strange about this scene: Donald’s mouth does not
\nmove when he says “Yeah.” Reminds one of 30’s Popeye cartoons.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1927, from hmccracken, 272 chars, Mon Apr 15 21:21:06 1991
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\nYou see that sort of thing when you watch cartoons really carefully.
\nI’ve often thought that, at the very end of the Bugs Bunny cartoon
\n_Rhapsody Rabbit_, Bugs was animated to be saying something which
\ndoesn’t show up on the soundtrack of the completed cartoon.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1928, from davemackey, 145 chars, Tue Apr 16 20:10:16 1991
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\nI think Bugs is just muttering obscenities to himself and it
\nworks much funnier that way, with no sound.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1929, from hmccracken, 191 chars, Tue Apr 16 20:34:24 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1928.
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\nThere’s also a moment during the “Whistle While You Work” sequence
\nin _Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs” when I could swear Snow White’s
\nlips are moving to lyrics that aren’t there.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1930, from davemackey, 249 chars, Wed Apr 17 19:06:32 1991
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\nTITLE: Henson v. Disney?
\nDid anyone else hear anything about a lawsuit filed by Jim Henson
\nProductions against Walt Disney, claiming that Disney is
\nillegally using Henson’s characters?
\nThe plot thickens!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1931, from davemackey, 379 chars, Wed Apr 17 21:27:07 1991
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\nMy handy-dandy copy of “Children’s Television: The First
\nThirty-Five Years, 1946-1981 — Part 1: Animated Cartoon Series”
\nby George W. Woolery (thanks, Doug) gives life dates for Pinto
\nColvig as 1892-1967, so he certainly was old enough to do the
\nWild Thing and progenerate in 1919.
\nAs always, the creed: No Question Left Unanswered.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1932, from hmccracken, 56 chars, Wed Apr 17 22:04:02 1991
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\nInteresting! Where did you hear about that?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1933, from hmccracken, 134 chars, Wed Apr 17 22:04:46 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1931.
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\nI had forgotten to mention here that I eventually confirmed that
\nPinto was Vance Colvig Sr. and was indeed Vance Jr.’s dad.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1934, from davemackey, 578 chars, Thu Apr 18 02:29:58 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1932.
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\nThis item moved over the AP news wire yesterday; I had heard it
\non our news broadcasts but didn’t think to follow up on it and
\nget some more information. Your local newspaper may have more
\nhard info on it today.
\nMy guess is that Disney is going above and beyond the use of
\nthe characters permitted as a result of the termination of their
\njoint agreement some months ago. I still see The Disney Channel
\nplugging the various Muppet projects on their schedule (including
\nthat Miss Piggy special) as if they were still jointly involved.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1935, from sje, 1049 chars, Thu Apr 18 19:34:14 1991
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\nThe report I heard was than Henson’s survivors were filing suit
\nonly over the upcoming 3-D Muppets movie that Disney is planning to exhibit
\nat the theme parks. The technical point is apparently over the extent of
\nexisting license agreements that were made prior to Jim Hensons passing.<\/p>\n

We’ll probably never know the details, but this seems to me to be
\njust a grudge lawsuit filed in revenge for Disney’s not wanting to pay for
\nthe ongoing creative talents of a dead person. Of all groups, I would
\nexpect Disney to be at the top when in comes to understanding the legal
\nissues concerning the licensing of intellectual property.<\/p>\n

Maybe Henson’s family has been having troubles finding another buyer
\nat the price they think they deserve. Maybe I’m a little biased, but I
\nnever much cared for the Muppets (or puppets of any variety). Also, I
\nthought that the commercialization via the Children’s Television Workshop
\n(Sesame Street) was wholly inappropriate for a non-profit educational series
\nsupported in large part by the taxpayer. — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1936, from hmccracken, 1009 chars, Thu Apr 18 19:51:00 1991
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\nThe _Wall Street Journal_ has a long article on the lawsuit today,
\nclearly slanted towards the Henson family’s view of things. The
\nlawsuit seems to charge that Disney has not been paying the required
\nroyalties for its use of the Muppets, specifically in conjunction
\nwith the Muppetvision 3D attraction which is (supposedly) going to
\nopen soon at Disney World. The article also details Disney’s
\nalleged bullying of the Henson people, its attempts to prevent
\nlicensing of the Sesame Street Muppets to theme parks, etc.
\nDisney’s reaction? “We’re just trying to fulfill Jim Henson’s
\ndream of a Disney-Muppet partnership.” (I’m paraphrasing.)<\/p>\n

Disney, which for a long time really got a free ride in the press,
\nhas taken an awful beating lately through things like this, Peggy
\nLee’s lawsuit, the leaking of the Katzenberg memo, the alleged abuse
\nof wildlife on Disney World property, and other events. I think a
\nlot of people out there are probably getting no little satisfaction
\nfrom all of this.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1937, from sje, 646 chars, Thu Apr 18 20:43:28 1991
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\nOf all the calumnies, the Katzenberg memo is certainly the worst.
\nThe idea of “worry only about this quarter’s bottom line, and screw the
\nfuture” is a directly opposite the attitude of ‘ol Walt who was probably the
\npremier futurist of this century. I would expect the company to survive
\na thousand lawsuits by former actors, disgruntled employees, and others
\nwho may or may not have been actually damaged in some way. But all of these
\npale when compared to the damage that can be done by the short-term attitude
\nseen in the leaked memo. I’ll tell you, if I were Mike Eisner I’d be doing
\na little housecleaning before it’s too late. — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1938, from hmccracken, 911 chars, Thu Apr 18 20:59:54 1991
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\nKatzenberg’s sentiments certainly jibe with a lot of what American
\nbusiness does nowadays, I think. Making as much $$$ as possible
\n*right now* is certainly in, especially among public companies whose
\nshareholders apparently find anything else offensive.<\/p>\n

This is just another area in which Walt Disney did things that were
\nfinancially unorthodox but ultimately brilliant. He made all those
\nanimated features that were very expensive, made little or no profit
\nwhen they were released — but are still making millions for Disney
\nwith very little effort on their part (as the Katzenberg memo
\nnotes). I don’t think there are many businesses in the Fortune 500
\nwhose success today is so directly tied to what they did fifty years
\nago as is the case with Disney. It’s as if IBM was reaping huge amounts
\nof cash by leasing or selling whatever it was they made in 1940
\n(mechanical tabulating machines)?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1939, from hmccracken, 368 chars, Sun Apr 21 15:52:47 1991
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\nSee the current issue of _Forbes_ for an article that was apparently
\nwritten before the Henson-Disney lawsuit was filed, but which gives
\na lot of good background on what caused it. Apparently, Disney was
\nproducing Muppets merchandise with a Disney copyright and without
\npayment to the Hensons. If the marriage continues it is going to be
\nan unhappy one.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1940, from sje, 239 chars, Sun Apr 21 16:39:43 1991
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\nThe question is: if the usage occurred, was it without payment or
\nwas it without an agreement? There could certainly be a legitimate agreement
\nwithout royalties prepayment. I would really like to hear both sides of the
\nstory. — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1941, from hmccracken, 377 chars, Sun Apr 21 18:34:06 1991
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\nI haven’t seen any Muppets stuff with Disney copyrights, but I *have*
\nseen Dick Tracy and Rocketeer merchanside with (C) DISNEY legends.
\nAs far as I know, Disney does not own the rights to either character;
\nthey’ve just made movies based on them. Of course, I don’t know anything
\nabout specific agreements between Disney and the folks *who* do own the
\ncopyrights.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1942, from hmccracken, 383 chars, Sat Apr 27 14:47:09 1991
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\nTITLE: Boston Area BIXen Take Note…
\nThere is a Disney convention being put on this weekend at the Holiday
\nInn Dedham. It starts today at 4:00, there’s an auction tonight, and
\nthe dealer’s room is open tomorrow (although I don’t know the hours).
\nSorry for the short notice and vagueness here. I went to the Mouse Club’s
\nlast convention and it was well worth the effort.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1943, from hmccracken, 1098 chars, Sun Apr 28 12:06:32 1991
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\nTITLE: Serendipity Department
\nAt the auction at the Disney convention last night (see message 1942),
\nI picked up three backgrounds from Famous Studios cartoons cheap.
\n(Being a Disney convention, the non-Disney stuff was going very
\ninexpensively. The next item in the auction was a very nice piece
\nof Walter Lantz artwork thaty I could have had for as song, but I’d
\nspent as much as I wanted to by then,)<\/p>\n

Anyway, the one problem with these backgrounds I bought was that I
\ndidn’t know what cartoons they were from. Too bad. This morning,
\nthough, I happened to turn on the TV during _Cartoon Kablooey_,
\na show on Nickelodeon that shows Famous Studios cartoons. The
\nfirst scene in the first cartoon they showed used either the
\nbackground of the three I’d bought I liked most, or a very similar
\none. (This was a Honey Halfwitch cartoon — a series I’m
\nnot well acquainted with — and the background was of
\nHoney’s cottage, so my background might be from a different
\nHoney cartoon.)<\/p>\n

I’ll have to tune into _Cartoon Kablooey_ next week to try
\nto identify the other two backgrounds…
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1944, from hmccracken, 253 chars, Sun Apr 28 19:45:33 1991
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\nBetter late than never department: I uncovered my copy of
\n_Before Mickey_ while tidying the study today, and didn’t
\nfind any references to Bill Nolan’s Long Branch studio.
\nSounds like a piece of history you’ll have to uncover yourself,
\nDave.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1945, from rjenks, 585 chars, Sun Apr 28 23:49:35 1991
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\nHey Harry, does BIX have some type of free service to get guests on-line
\nfor special occasions? Or do they have to pay like the rest of us?
\nIf they don’t have to pay, I can probably swing to get Toren Smith, Adam Warren,
\nTex Hensen (creator of Casper), Louis Scarborough Jr, Steve Krueger,
\nTrish LeDoux, and any of the other guests at Project A-Kon II. Since
\nI will have my amiga and modem at the convention I can pull a few
\nstrings and get them to log on for a big CBIX. Probably not all at
\nthe same time with only one computer, but it’s something to think
\nabout…<\/p>\n

-Robert<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1946, from davemackey, 408 chars, Mon Apr 29 19:12:43 1991
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\nTITLE: Carl Brandt obituary
\nCarl Brandt, a musician whose career included a good number of
\ncartoon scores, died on Thursday of a heart attack in Los
\nAngeles. He was 76.
\nBrandt’s animation career flowered in the 1960’s. His work
\nincluded the “Mr. Magoo” and “Dick Tracy” television cartoons for
\nUPA, and some of Chuck Jones’ “Tom And Jerry” theatricals for
\nM-G-M.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1947, from davemackey, 362 chars, Mon Apr 29 21:00:25 1991
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\nHarry, if you were to send me photostats of the entire
\nbackground, including any identifying numbers in the backgrounds,
\nI might be able to give you a rough idea based on setting and
\nprops used in the background, based on an unusually large
\nworking knowledge of the Paramount cartoons. Are you sure they’re
\nfrom the 60’s?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1948, from davemackey, 194 chars, Mon Apr 29 21:00:36 1991
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\nAnd uncover it I shall, once I get a few other projects cleared
\nout of the way. But thanks for the information (or lack of it, in
\nthe case of Crafton)…
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1949, from davemackey, 307 chars, Mon Apr 29 21:00:45 1991
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\nTex Henson is claiming creation of Casper, too? I’ve always
\nthought that to be a two sided contest, between Joe Oriolo and Sy
\nReit. (Henson did have a small handful of story credits at Famous
\nStudios in the 40’s and 50’s, so he was probably in the room at
\nthe time.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1950, from davemackey, 703 chars, Mon Apr 29 21:02:35 1991
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\nTITLE: Disney further acknowledges competitors
\nIt’s amazing the lengths that Disney has gone to of late to
\npromote animation other than its own; consider the “Rocky and
\nBullwinkle” tapes.
\nAt the Disney\/MGM Studios Theme Park, a new restaurant
\nrecently opened called the Sci-Fi Dine-In Theater. People sit at
\ntables that look like cars and face a drive-in type screen and
\neat in almost total darkness. The loop of material that plays
\ncontinuously (as in the 50’s Prime Time Cafe) includes at least
\ntwo cartoons edited down to about 2-1\/2 minutes each: “The Cat
\nThat Hated People” and “Mouse Into Space,” both MGM cartoons with
\nsome sort of sci-fi space bent.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1951, from hmccracken, 271 chars, Mon Apr 29 21:52:46 1991
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\nThe auctioneer described them as being from the 1950s, but
\nthen he also called a Three Little Pigs toy a “wonderful
\nMickey Mouse block set.” They do have some numbers penciled
\ninto the corners — I’ll take you up on your offer and send
\nyou photocopies, Dave.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1952, from hmccracken, 448 chars, Mon Apr 29 21:55:01 1991
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\nI’d never heard of Henson (any relation to Jim?). Oriolo
\ninsisted that he created Casper; Reit, I believe, says that
\nhe came up with the initial idea, but Oriolo designed the
\ncharacter and contributed in other ways. Why so many people
\nwould want so much to be credited with the creation of
\nCasper I can’t say. (Even more people try to claim credit
\nfor Bugs Bunny, of course — including an obscure Warner’s
\nartist named Ralph Wolfe.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1953, from hmccracken, 127 chars, Mon Apr 29 21:55:55 1991
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\nIs there still a gift shop at the half-way point of the live-
\naction tour devoted to Warner Bros. merchandise, Dave?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1954, from hmccracken, 116 chars, Mon Apr 29 22:48:55 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1950.
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\nBTW, Dave, hope you can join us tomorrow for the weekly CBIX
\nso we can query you further about your trip.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1955, from rjenks, 501 chars, Mon Apr 29 23:01:11 1991
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\nHmmm… let me check out Tex Hensen’s bio again… Ooops I read it wrong.
\nHe did work on Casper, but he was on the original design team for Chip ‘n Dale
\nnot Casper. He also created “Old Bent Tail” the coyote in four Pluto eps.
\nHe also worked on : Song of the South, The Three Caballeros, Mickey and the
\nBeanstalk, Pecos Bill, Peter and the Wolf, Bullwinkle, Underdog, King Leonardo,
\nTennessee Tuxedo, and Trix Rabbit. He has also done many animated TV cos<\/p>\n

Hope this clears up my mistake…
\n-Robert<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1956, from davemackey, 555 chars, Tue Apr 30 00:58:31 1991
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\nGood point about Casper. I think it’s a little easier to lay
\nclaim to Casper because most of the studio principals are no
\nlonger with us (and most of the rest are trying to live it down).
\nAnd the scholarship isn’t as fierce as it is with the more
\npopular studios. And I don’t think Tex Henson was related to Jim.
\nRalph Wolf, though not as involved in the birth of Bugs
\nBunny as he would have you believe, is otherwise known as the man
\nwho gladly lent his name to the Wolf character in those Sheepdog
\ncartoons.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1957, from davemackey, 758 chars, Tue Apr 30 00:58:54 1991
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\nMost of that stuff is still there in The Loony Bin, which shares
\nits space with a roomful of Roger Rabbit paraphernalia. There’s
\nvarious ACME items, some decaled with the unrelenting fact that
\nACME is a trademarked property of Warner Bros. Inc. I think the
\nBackstage Special Effects Tour (the tram) dumps out right at that
\nlittle shop.
\nFor all the fun I had, there was one disappointment: the
\ntrain that encircles the Magic Kingdom is not able to do so until
\nthe Splash Mountain attraction is completed in the fall of 1992.
\nSplash Mountain will feature the “Song Of The South” characters.
\nRight now the railroad just shuttles from the main gate to
\nMickey’s Starland, which is just the other side of Tomorrowland.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1958, from hmccracken, 170 chars, Tue Apr 30 09:40:58 1991
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\nThe only thing worse than claiming credit for Casper is having
\nsomeone thrust credit for the character on you! Tex’s other
\ncredits sound much more interesting.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1959, from hmccracken, 44 chars, Tue Apr 30 09:42:35 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1945.
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\nYou have mail about this, Robert.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1960, from davemackey, 357 chars, Tue Apr 30 23:19:17 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1835.
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\nCatching up on some old news, Harry… if you’re still interested
\nin trying to find out more about Beverly Cleary’s life and
\ncareer in Portland, there is a biography that is in print. I
\nforget precisely what it’s called (I think it’s A Girl From
\nSomethingorother) but bookstores shelve it with the rest of her
\nbooks.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1961, from davemackey, 289 chars, Tue Apr 30 23:19:29 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1816.
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\nBoy, are we digging backwards! On the subject of Real Live People
\nin the Warner Bros. cartoons, who’s the piano player in “Eatin’
\nOn The Cuff,” anyway? It’s not Mel Blanc, though he dubs the
\nvoice. Would any Old Movie Freaks know who this might be?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1962, from davemackey, 276 chars, Wed May 1 19:05:20 1991
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\nThe possible lawsuit between Henson and Disney isn’t going to
\nhappen. Disney has obtained a license from Henson Associates
\nwhich will enable them to continue to use the Muppet characters
\nin its theme park attractions and merchandising.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1963, from davemackey, 342 chars, Wed May 1 19:05:34 1991
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\nAs far as “Night At The Movies” goes, I still haven’t come across
\n1957. But I do now know there definitely was a 1962 volume…
\nbecause I found 1963 in a video store today!
\nThe 1963 feature is “PT 109,” and the cartoon is the
\never-popular “Banty Raids” (well, it’s one of MY favorites,
\nanyway)…
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1964, from hmccracken, 168 chars, Sat May 4 23:23:34 1991
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\nTITLE: The current issue of _Forbes_…
\nhas a pretty negative article on The Walt Disney Company. Not
\nreally about animation, but still interesting reading.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1965, from sje, 649 chars, Sat May 4 23:40:07 1991
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\nTITLE: Dow Jones Adds Disney to Industrials Average<\/p>\n

According to a newswire report Friday 03 May 1991, the Dow Jones
\nCompany has added the Walt Disney Company to its thirty member Dow Jones
\nIndustrials Average. The addition of Disney bumps the USX Corporation,
\na steel and energy concern. Two other companies were also substituted
\nin the first change to the DJIA since 1987.<\/p>\n

The Walt Disney Company is the first entertainment firm ever to
\nbe listed among the thirty companies that form the DJIA. Some financial
\ncommentators write that this is a natural consequence of the growing
\nimportance of the service sector of the US economy. — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1966, from elfhive, 713 chars, Mon May 6 18:08:49 1991
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\nTITLE: Cosgrove-Hall Productions
\nOn the PBS series “Long Ago and Far Away,” which often brings unusual
\nEuropean animation to our screens, they showed an episode from a “Mr.
\nToad” series (inspired by Kenneth Grahame). There are some great
\nminiatures in the production, the opening began with Mr. Toad riding
\non a working steam driven river boat. The characters seem at first
\nto be animated clay, but the close-ups seem to betray that the figures
\nare pretty much static (i.e. hair patterns never seem to change) but
\nthe eyes, nose and mouth work profusely with the dialogue. The clothes
\nare fantastic.<\/p>\n

Is anyone familiar with this English production company and can you
\nelaborate on the animation technique used?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1967, from sje, 257 chars, Mon May 6 19:14:20 1991
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\nTITLE: Disney 1991 Stockholders’ Meeting Transcript<\/p>\n

Discussion of past performance and future plans for Disney can be
\nseen in the 55 K post residing at animation\/long.messages #46. This was
\nretrieved from rec.arts.disney on the Usenet netnews. — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1968, from hmccracken, 482 chars, Mon May 6 22:27:37 1991
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\nI think the technique used is replacement animation — a form
\nof stop-motion animation in which to animate a character saying
\na few words, you might have fifteen or more models of the
\ncharacter’s head, with slightly differing expressions, which
\nare placed in succession on its body and filmed frame by frame.
\nThe technique was used on all those Rankin-Bass stop-motion
\nChristmas specials (_Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer_, _Santa
\nClaus is Coming to town_, and the like.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1969, from davemackey, 306 chars, Tue May 7 00:03:11 1991
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\nHarry, I think it goes back even further, to the George Pal Puppetoons. I
\nseem to remember seeing photos of the production of those shorts in the 40’s
\nand there were matching sets of heads, etc. with different stuff painted on
\nthem for the various mouth formations.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1970, from davemackey, 177 chars, Tue May 7 00:03:20 1991
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\nSteve, thanks very much for posting this. It was somewhat exciting to read of
\nDisney’s accomplishments from the inside out for a change.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1971, from hmccracken, 41 chars, Tue May 7 09:51:32 1991
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\nRight, it’s an old technique.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1972, from hmccracken, 347 chars, Tue May 7 11:11:35 1991
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\nBTW — I may have mentioned this in the past — the Disney annual report
\ncan be had at no charge by calling Disney Investor Relations in Burbank,
\nand it’s definitely worth having. Good information on everything
\nDisney did during the past year, and lots of color pictures.
\nOne year they had a pop-up Roger Rabbit cutout that was great.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1973, from hmccracken, 437 chars, Thu May 9 15:36:00 1991
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\nTITLE: This week’s _Entertainment Weekly_ has a cover story on
\ntesting one’s movie IQ that includes a list of 60 movies-you-should-
\nsee-to-be-movie-literate. The list includes two Disney films:
\n_Pinocchio_ and _Mary Poppins_ (though not, oddly enough, _Snow
\nWhite_). Combined with the issue’s on-target review of _Dinosaurs_
\nand a news story about Simpsons merchandise, there’s a lot of
\nstuff of interest to cartoon types.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1974, from hmccracken, 405 chars, Fri May 10 09:16:37 1991
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\nTITLE: Disney expands, again…
\nI heard something on the radio this morning about Disney announcing
\nan expansion of Disneyland in Anaheim with a project called Westcot
\n(not sure if that’s the correct spelling), which is apparently a
\nwest coast-version of Epcot Center that may be closer to Walt Disney’s
\noriginal idea of a prototypical city of the future. More details as I
\nhear about them…
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1975, from davemackey, 209 chars, Fri May 10 22:14:00 1991
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\nYou heard right, Harry… my newspaper said much the same thing, and Disney’s
\nprojected cost for this is somewhere in the neighborhood of $3 Billion (with
\na B) Dollars!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1976, from sje, 510 chars, Sun May 12 16:06:09 1991
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\nTITLE: Problems with Listings Files<\/p>\n

I still seem to be having a slight problem downloading a certain text
\nfile from animation\/listings. When I try receiving “animation.txt”, I get a
\nfile that has neither CR or LF characters. However, other text files like
\n“ttasumy.txt” download with no problems. Also, text files form other areas
\nseem to work okay.<\/p>\n

Perhaps there is some problem related to the fact that the file in
\nquestion is automatically generated and not manually uploaded\/transferred.<\/p>\n

— Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1977, from davemackey, 477 chars, Mon May 13 01:13:07 1991
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\nAll the files I currently upload include CR and LF characters; some
\nolder ones (for some odd reason) only have CR’s and no LF’s. I can’t vouch
\nfor the validity of files other people upload. But I think a possible
\nsolution would be for you to load this file into a word processor. That way,
\nany CR’s and LF’s needed would be added by the program.
\nMaybe if I download the file in question myself, I can better see what’s
\ngoing on.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1978, from sje, 193 chars, Mon May 13 04:25:14 1991
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\nWhen I receive “animation\/txt”, there are no CR of LF characters, so
\nit is impossible for any text editor to know where to insert them. The file
\njust looks like a single 44 K line. — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1979, from hmccracken, 317 chars, Mon May 13 10:38:38 1991
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\nTITLE: The current issue of _The Comics Journal_ cover-features
\nan interesting interview with Matt Groening, in which he discusses
\n_The Simpsons_, _Life in Hell_, merchandising, and a lot of other
\ntopics. It’s well worth reading. Also in the issue is a review
\nof the _Carl Stalling Project_ tape and CD.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1980, from switch, 73 chars, Mon May 13 17:48:08 1991
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\nImporting a file sans CRs or sans LFs into WordPerfect works fine.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1981, from switch, 137 chars, Mon May 13 17:48:53 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1978.
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\nA text editor might have a problem if either the CRs or LFs are missing, but
\na word processor would probably be a different story.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1982, from davemackey, 476 chars, Mon May 13 19:07:01 1991
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\nTITLE: Read about June Foray….
\n…in this week’s issue of People. There’s a two-page article on the woman
\nwho’s been one of the top voice artists in cartoons for forty years, and
\none of the animation industry’s class acts (I believe she was once president
\nof ASIFA-Los Angeles).
\nOne little-known Foray fact that came to light in the article: Foray was
\nthe model for the sexy witch at the end of Chuck Jones’ “Broom-Stick Bunny.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1983, from davemackey, 158 chars, Mon May 13 19:29:40 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1979.
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\nI think the Journal has profiled Groening before, back before The Simpsons,
\nand it was my first exposure to his work.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1984, from sje, 242 chars, Mon May 13 22:37:15 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1980.
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\nAlas, while import of non-formatted text will work fine with most word
\nprocessors, the animation listing is formatted into lines as would be seen
\nby a “list all” interactive command. There is still a problem here that needs
\nwork. — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1985, from davemackey, 544 chars, Tue May 14 00:46:22 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1978.
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\nI downloaded animation.txt myself and found out what the problem is: there
\nare LF’s (hex 0A) but no CR’s (hex 0D). Somehow the CR’s must have gotten
\nstripped out. (My word processor uses the single 0A character to delimit new
\nlines; perhaps the same is true of whatever apparatus was used in this case.)
\nIf every 0A were to be replaced by an 0D 0A, everything would be hunky
\ndory. I also think we have to come to some solution as to the proper format
\nin which text files should appear in \/listings.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1986, from sje, 384 chars, Tue May 14 00:59:33 1991
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\nI’ll bet that the problem is somehow related to the fact that the file
\n“animation.txt” does not have the special “$text” keyword. Most of the other
\nfiles with the “$text” keyword work okay. I believe that the presence of
\neither the “$text” or “$binary” keyword subtly interacts with up\/down activity.
\nI suspect that the “option format crlf” sequence has an effect also. — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1987, from switch, 147 chars, Wed May 15 08:24:12 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1985.
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\nAll my files are uploaded with a CRLF, and a control-Z at the end
\nto keep the MS-DOS users happy. It seems to work for everyone else
\ntoo…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1988, from hmccracken, 347 chars, Wed May 15 23:18:50 1991
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\nTITLE: The current issue of _Spy_ magazine is a must-have for
\nfollowers of the current Disney regime: one of the feature
\narticles is a funny speculative piece on what would happen
\n“If Disney Ran America” (in which Michael Eisner is elected
\nPresident), and there is also a short, interesting piece on
\nthe now-ended Disney\/Henson lawsuit.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1989, from hmccracken, 284 chars, Wed May 15 23:22:05 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1904.
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\nFinally got a copy of Canemaker’s Felix book, and it’s indeed
\nwonderful and full of new information on Pat Sullivan, Otto
\nMessmer, and Felix. $30 is a steep price for a small, slim
\nvolume like this, but this book is worth it. I think I’ll
\ngo watch some Felix cartoons…
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1990, from davemackey, 523 chars, Fri May 17 21:22:17 1991
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\nTITLE: “Art of Sensual Massage” on Playboy
\nFor those so inclined, the Playboy Channel is airing “Playboy’s Art Of
\nSensual Massage” tonight; check listings for time. And yes, that is June
\nForay narrating the video, which demonstrates how to touch erotically. This
\nvideo got a mention in the People Magazine article about Foray this week.
\nIt is weird hearing Foray, using a soft, breathy version of her real
\nvoice, discussing men’s and women’s erogenous zones in clinical detail.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1991, from hmccracken, 265 chars, Fri May 17 21:59:50 1991
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\nForay must have a certain taste for this sort of thing — she
\nproduced a cartoon a few years ago called _You Can’t Teach an
\nOld Dog New Tricks (But You Can To a Dirty Old Man)_ — the
\ntitle was something like that, anyway — which was decidedly
\nR-rated.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1992, from davemackey, 1171 chars, Sat May 18 00:17:34 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1991.
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\nShe does have a kinky streak about her, it’s true. Probably as a backlash
\nresult to the oppression of doing squeaky-clean cartoon voices. But while I
\ndon’t exclusively think of Foray in a sexual way — despite the fact that she
\nlooks a good number of years younger than 72 — it is a fascinating aspect of
\nher personality. When I flipped to Playboy Channel and heard the soundtrack
\nto the special (the video was scrambled as it’s a pay-per-view service on our
\nsystem), I wasn’t aware of what I was watching and thought “what a sexy
\nvoice.” It was only after a few minutes that I figured out it was June Foray.
\nOn a totally different tack, it surprised me that the voice of Fritz The
\nCat turned out to be Skip Hinnant, who was one of the repertory players on
\n“The Electric Company” and is still one of the top commercial voice guys. It
\nwas somewhat shocking to hear the man who played Fargo North, Decoder, utter
\nthe line of dialogue “Go f— yourself” as Fritz. (It may have been his older
\nbrother Bill, but one of the Hinnant boys played Snoopy in the original
\noff-Broadway production of “You’re A Good Man, Charlie Brown.”)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1993, from hmccracken, 402 chars, Sat May 18 00:45:47 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1992.
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\nJune Forayt is *72*? Incredible! That makes her as old as
\nGranny…She sure doesn’t look it.<\/p>\n

If my memory serves, it was Skip Hinnant who played Snoopy. The
\nname is familiar, and I’m certainly familiar with the his
\nElectric Company appearances although I didn’t know that that
\nwas Skip until I read your message. (I don’t think the cast
\nmembers of that show ever got individual credit.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1994, from hmccracken, 383 chars, Sat May 18 00:50:05 1991
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\nTITLE: The current issue of _Forbes_ has two articles of potential
\ninterest to participants in this conference: one on Saban Productions,
\nthe music-and-animation company that has been discussed here recently;
\nthe other on TastyKakes (a food product that I *know* has been
\ndiscussed by animation conference folk, although it may have
\nbeen over in the elfquest conference).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1995, from bferg, 400 chars, Sat May 18 10:28:10 1991
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\nVoices behind the characters…I have to admit, I do not know the
\nreal folks behind the voices of our beloved toons. It is nice to
\nsee their names, would really be nice to see some in action. We take
\nfor granted the toon’s voice at times. Hum…sounds like some interesting
\nvariations of use of voice of Foray. Some interesting stuff on Playboy
\nChannel, but do not subscribe to it.<\/p>\n

\ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

Barbara<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1996, from davemackey, 407 chars, Sat May 18 16:09:35 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1994.
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\nYum! What’s their big seller, Butterscotch Krimpets? Kandy Kakes? Koffee
\nKake?
\nThe history of Haim Saban is incredible. I think he began doing cartoon
\nmusic overseas with his partner Shuki Levy, and the first music they did for
\na show seen in the states was “Inspector Gadget,” and for a period of several
\nyears they were doing music for every DIC cartoon show.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1997, from davemackey, 542 chars, Sat May 18 16:09:49 1991
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\nBarb, cartoon voices were an anonymous profession for many years after the
\nintroduction of sound. I think Mel Blanc broke open the floodgates when he
\ninsisted upon (and got) screen credit for his voices. Of the hundreds of
\npeople who’ve done animation voices only a handful have achieved superstar
\nstatus, such as Blanc, Daws Butler, June Foray, Don Messick, and more
\nrecently, Frank Welker. For every one of those there are about a dozen or so
\nwho are relatively obscure. Maybe they like it that way.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1998, from davemackey, 394 chars, Sat May 18 16:10:08 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1988.
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\nSpy has sort of become the hallmark of guerilla journalism. One of the
\nrecurring themes, to borrow from Matt Groening, is “Work Is Hell” — there
\nare so many exposes of impossible bosses, they’re impossible to count.
\nThe Eisner-Katzenberg ticket has my vote, though, in the next election,
\nconsidering the calibre of the real-life candidates so far.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #1999, from davemackey, 100 chars, Sat May 18 16:10:14 1991
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\nTITLE: If all goes well…..
\nthe next message should be….
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2000, from davemackey, 93 chars, Sat May 18 16:10:20 1991
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\nTITLE: Arf, Arf, Gotcha!
\n2000. The double millenium!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2001, from bferg, 118 chars, Sat May 18 17:04:14 1991
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\nPerhaps they like it, but it seems only fair that they recieve credit
\nfor their work…I know *I* would.<\/p>\n

\ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

Barbara<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2002, from bferg, 95 chars, Sat May 18 17:05:31 1991
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\nSee, I *told* you it was contagious and ternimal! \ud83d\ude09
\n(Morgan, did you see that??)<\/p>\n

\ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

Barbara<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2003, from hkenner, 139 chars, Sat May 18 18:29:14 1991
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\nBarb, there are people who think that getting known for voicing cartoons
\nwould impede a *real* career. Like getting on Hollywood Squares.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2004, from morganfox, 13 chars, Sat May 18 21:53:55 1991
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\nScumbag! \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2005, from hmccracken, 436 chars, Sun May 19 15:00:02 1991
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\nDave, I haven’t found anything else out about animation in Long
\nBranch, but you may be interested to know that John Canemaker’s
\nnew book on Felix the Cat discusses animation in New Jersey
\nat length, and actually has a chapter entitled “Hollywood on
\nthe Hudson” devoted to the topic. Otto Messmer was born in
\nWest Hoboken, and both he and Pat Sullivan were involved in
\nthe film industry in Fort Lee early in their careers.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2006, from bferg, 120 chars, Sun May 19 18:19:24 1991
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\nI wonder, I do, what someone made in terms of $$$ for being
\nthe voice of an animated character? Anyone know??<\/p>\n

Barbara<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2007, from bferg, 56 chars, Sun May 19 18:20:25 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2004.
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\nOH< no, the disease has its bad moments…<\/p>\n

\ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

Barbara<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2008, from hmccracken, 469 chars, Sun May 19 20:03:22 1991
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\nMel Blanc made a *lot* of money in his later years, and I’m sure
\nthat someone like Daws Butler made quite a bit. But I think
\nthat if you make a lot of money at it, it’s probably done through
\nvolume. The work can be done pretty quickly compared to TV or
\nfilm live-action acting, and the talent pool is fairly small.
\nI’ve heard that Frank Welker, the most prolific contemporary
\nvoice artist, is very well off, but he apparently does hundreds
\nof jobs a year.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2009, from davemackey, 293 chars, Sun May 19 20:11:44 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2005.
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\nI would think that the communities on the other side of the Hudson would be
\nmore of a breeding ground for that sort of thing, due to the relative
\nproximity to NYC.
\nSometime later this month I will begin my research into Long Branch and
\nBill Nolan.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2010, from davemackey, 519 chars, Sun May 19 20:54:18 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2006.
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\nI don’t think it’s a heck of a lot, even for the superstars. I would presume
\nthe minimum price is set by the SAG or AFTRA, depending on the ultimate
\ndestination of the film, and I don’t think that there are more than a few
\ncartoon voices making much more than union scale.
\nBut, as Harry mentioned earlier, if you can do a lot of voices and do
\nthem well, like Frank Welker, you can make a ton of money and maybe even have
\nrival studios competitively bidding for your talent.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2011, from davemackey, 338 chars, Sun May 19 20:54:39 1991
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\nTITLE: It’s finally in \/listings
\nSoon to be available in listings section is DFE.TXT, listing all the
\ntheatrical cartoons produced by DePatie-Freleng Enterprises from 1964 to
\n1978. Cartoons are listed in chronological order and include series, release
\ndate and director information where available.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2012, from bferg, 139 chars, Sun May 19 21:13:37 1991
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\nYeah, I was wondering, like say, back in the 40’s and 50’s
\nif these individuals even came close to making what movie
\nstars made??<\/p>\n

Barbara<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2013, from hmccracken, 1327 chars, Sun May 19 22:35:51 1991
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\nI think it’s safe to say that Mel Blanc was the only voice artist
\nback in those days who *might* have made enough from cartoons to
\nclassify him as being modestly wealthy. I’m sure that even
\nsomeone like Clarence Nash, the voice of Donald Duck, or Jack
\nMercer, who did Popeye’s voice for almost fifty years, didn’t
\nmake huge salaries. A lot of cartoon voices were done by studio
\nartists or other employees (Walt Disney being Mickey Mouse is
\nthe most interesting example of this).<\/p>\n

Remember that cartoon voice artists have a tremendous disadvantage
\nin that they can be replaced without much of the audience noticing
\n(a problem they share with radio actors). This was true back in
\nthe old days and is still true today — quite often if a voice
\nartist wants more money, he’s simply replaced by someone who
\nwill do the job for less. In addition, Mel Blanc is *still* the
\nonly voice artist in the history of the artform who became more
\nor less a household name. Nobody ever went to see a cartoon
\nbecause Daws Butler was in it, let alone because a less well-
\nknown voice actor was. This is quite different from the live-
\naction business, where it’s worth paying Nicholson or De Niro
\na lot of money because it translates into more ticket sales
\n(or worth paying Cosby a lot of money because it means high
\nTV ratings).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2014, from bsoron, 253 chars, Sun May 19 23:57:20 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2013.
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Don’t forget that Blanc also had a number of regular roles
\non radio and TV shows, which paid more than his voice work.
\nI guess it becomes rather abstract to wonder if his salary just
\nfor animation voice work was higher than other voice artists got.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2015, from davemackey, 235 chars, Mon May 20 18:51:50 1991
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\nProbably not — maybe just throw a few bucks their way. Some of them were
\nprobably actors waiting for a bigger break in radio, or maybe already
\nestablished radio people with time on their hands.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2016, from davemackey, 419 chars, Mon May 20 18:52:03 1991
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\nIt isn’t good to use Jack Mercer as an argument since he was already drawing
\na writers’ salary at Famous Studios. I don’t even know if he got an extra
\nkick in his paycheck for doing the Popeye voice. (It would be interesting to
\nask either Mae Questel or Jackson Beck if anyone ever got around to
\ninterviewing them, since they worked alongside him for many years on the
\nPopeyes.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2017, from hmccracken, 411 chars, Mon May 20 19:33:03 1991
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\nI’m speculating, but I would imagine it wasn’t long before
\nMercer became more valuable to Fleischer as the voice of
\nPopeye than as a storyman, and his career as Popeye did
\noutlast his writing career. I’d imagine he was paid a
\nsalary to voice Popeye from early on, although how much
\nis hard to say. He’s the one guy who started out as
\nan in-studio talent and became a successful voice artist,
\nperiod.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2018, from bferg, 364 chars, Mon May 20 19:52:47 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2015.
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\nHUM, it seems as if the folks voices behind our favorite toons
\nare uncelebrated. I would find it interesting to know how the
\nmechanism worked to get the voices…perhaps uncomplicated. Yes,
\nin an earlier comment, the spots were easily replaced, so, if one
\nrequired more $$ etc, then they just told him\/her to “take a hike.”
\nInteresting to think about.<\/p>\n

Barbara<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2019, from davemackey, 267 chars, Mon May 20 22:15:27 1991
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\nI think Mercer was still doing some of the writing on Popeye, even after the
\ncharacter went to Hanna-Barbera. But even after Popeye went out of production
\nat Paramount (1957), Mercer still contributed to stories at the studio.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2020, from amasin, 720 chars, Mon May 20 23:28:10 1991
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\nTITLE: Daws Butler
\nA local (NYC) public radio show has lately been showcasing
\nButler’s work. The station was able to play a number of
\nunreleased tapes made by Butler and a former student, currently a
\nstation staffer (_and_ voice artist buff).<\/p>\n

I was really struck by Butler’s talent, and generosity. On the
\nwhole I got the impression that money wasn’t Butler’s _real_
\nmotivation, he genuinely loved his craft and lived to perpetuate
\nit. And… the Hanna Barbera characters barely touched his real
\nability, as a performer _and_ writer.<\/p>\n

I doubt if any of this is available on tape. However NYC Bixen
\nmight try to contact the show’s host (David Garland on WNYC-FM)
\nto check for a repeat. It’ll be worth it!
\nAndy Masin<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2021, from hmccracken, 72 chars, Tue May 21 09:08:24 1991
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\nDid he work on the stories for the Felix the Cat TV cartoons?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2022, from davemackey, 327 chars, Tue May 21 20:26:12 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2021.
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\nMost likely, but according to Korkis and Cawley in “Cartoon Superstars,” the
\nbulk of the stories were written by Joe Stultz, Joe Sabo and Ralph Newman;
\nanimators included Jim Tyer, Reuben Grossman, Steve Muffatti and Frank
\nEndres. (I don’t think these cartoons ever had screen credits.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2023, from switch, 283 chars, Wed May 22 21:57:04 1991
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\nTITLE: Usenet archives
\nI just uploaded and installed the forty-third Usenet digest. Of
\ninterest are not only the usual Japanese animation tidbits, but also
\nsome chatter on the Japanese airings of Tiny Toons. I haven’t read
\nthem myself, but I’m sure they’ll be interesting…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2024, from hmccracken, 627 chars, Mon May 27 00:06:00 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 1888.
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\nAs has been pointed out here before, while it sometimes takes a
\nwhile for questions to get answered here in the animation
\nconference, they do get answered. With apologies for the
\ntwo month delay in finding this out, I can tell you that
\n“Goofy’s Success Story” was an episode of the second
\nseason of _Disneyland_. It aired on December 7th, 1955,
\nwas directed by Jack Kinney, and was released theatrically
\nin Europe. Many thanks to Leonard Maltin’s invaluable
\n_The Disney Films_ for this information. Now, whether
\nthe episode shows the Griffith Observatory or not I’m
\nnot sure, but that sounds familiar somehow…
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2025, from richard.pini, 335 chars, Mon May 27 12:10:07 1991
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\nThanks again for finding that. Now all I have to do is scare up, in some
\nform or other, a copy of the cartoon itself – just to look at, so we can
\nlay to rest the final question of where\/how Griffith is used. Mike Scoville
\nvery kindly pointed out that the production numbers on the back of the
\nart do indeed correspond to that cartoon.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2026, from richard.pini, 1412 chars, Mon May 27 12:20:15 1991
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\nTITLE: *Very* heavy sigh
\nAt the same flea market where I picked up the Looney Tunes baseball cards
\nI also found a dealer who was selling nothing but mass quantities of 1-2 year
\nold catalogs from Sotheby’s, Christie’s, etc., for real cheap. So I indulged
\nand scarfed up half a dozen that had animation art up as either part of the
\nauction or as the entire focus. ARRGGGGG! They offered some gorgeous stuff.
\nPrices seemed, even that recently, to be 1\/2 to 1\/3 what you see in catalogs
\ntoday, though the upper crust stuff has probably not gone up all that much
\nbecause it has always been expensive. Also, there are listed some dogs for
\n$5-800 that you would not pay $50 for at a convention (stuff from Super
\nFriends) that is probably only high-priced because it’s at a major auction
\nhouse. Bee-yoo-tiful Disney set-ups! And a bed-wetting set-up from “Gulliver’s
\nTravels”, the shot where he stands up in the town for the first time, with
\nthe production background of all the little buildings…
\nMaybe it’s better I didn’t know this at the time it was offered.<\/p>\n

On the other hand, at another booth I found some used videos for $5 each;
\nthese look like they came from a defunct rental shop. “Uncensored Animation
\nfrom the Van Buren Studio” and “Cartoons for Big Kids” (or some such –
\nWarner Brothers). As well as the 15 chapters of the Captain America serial.
\nSometimes the gods smile small, but they do smile.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2027, from hmccracken, 352 chars, Mon May 27 13:33:08 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2025.
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\nThis is just based on a vague memory lurking in the back of my
\nhead, but you may want to check out the opening and\/or closing
\ncredits of the Disney Channel show _Good Morning Mickey_, which
\nis (or at least was) aired very early in the morning. I have
\nthe faintest glimmer of a memory of it showing a clip of Goofy
\nwalking by an observatory.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2028, from mscoville, 573 chars, Tue May 28 01:41:40 1991
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Auctions
\nComing up in June will be the spring auctions for animation. The first up
\nis Philips which will be on June 8. Sotheby’s will be held on June 18 and
\nChristie’s will be June 20. Catalogs for these sales are available. You can
\ncall the respective auction house and they will be glad to mail it. Be warned
\nthat there has been a price increase in the catalogs. For Sotheby’s the new
\ncatalog price is $30.00 at the gallery and $35.00 by mail. It is expected
\nthat Christie’s will be approximately the same price. What an increase in the
\ncost of living!
\nmscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2029, from hmccracken, 370 chars, Tue May 28 11:31:38 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2028.
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\nOf course, fifteen years ago you probably could have gotten
\nsome of the things that are being auctioned off for thirty or
\nthirty-five dollars! As Richard.Pini noted recently, if one
\nisn’t actually planning to bid it’s often possible to pick up
\nthe catalog after the auction at a good price. Also, Howard Lowery
\nhas better catalogs and charges less for them.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2030, from davemackey, 934 chars, Tue May 28 18:19:45 1991
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Lost in the translation
\nThe Korean artists who’ve worked to recolor the Porky Pig and Popeye cartoons
\nare just tracing the frames, with no concept of what the pictures are of.
\nThis is most apparent with any tracings involving the English language. Four
\nexamples:
\n(1) In “Little Beau Porky,” a barrel is alternately labeled “Criro
\nSyrup” and “Cairo Syrup”; the latter is correct as it is a pun on “Karo
\nSyrup.”
\n(2) In “The Film Fan,” a marquee reads “WE CHAHGE OUR SHORTS DAILY.”
\n(3) The copyright notice of “Bulldozing The Bull” reads “Copyright
\nMCMXXXVIII by PARAMOUNT PICTUPts INC.”
\n(4) The credits for “Porky’s Poppa” read as follows:
\nSupervision
\nROBERT CLAMPETT
\nAnimation
\nCHARLES JONES
\nMusical Direction
\n<— it’s blank! I’m sure there are others, but these are four quite notable ones. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2031, from davemackey, 382 chars, Tue May 28 18:19:56 1991 ————————– TITLE: Animation on the Universal Tour… soon Jeff Segal, head of MCA\/Universal Family Entertainment, says that Universal Cartoon Studios is planning to move into a permanent facility on the Universal lot that will be part of the Universal Studios Tour within two years. The revived studio currently operates out of office space in Burbank. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2032, from hmccracken, 967 chars, Tue May 28 18:34:02 1991 This is a comment to message 2030. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– At least one of those recolored cartoons credits “Ken Marris” as having credited animation. In a sort-of-related issue, it’s amusing somehow that the recolored Popeye cartoons feature faithfully-recolored AAP credit cards, even though AAP was just a company that distributed the cartoons to TV long ago and there’s no particular reason to perpetuate its credits (except for nostaligc reasons; how many young cartoon viewers thought that AAP must have been a great cartoon studio, since it made all those Bugs Bunny and Popeye cartoons?). It would have made just as much sense for the recolorers to replace the AAP titles with a “Ted Turner Presents” card — not that different from what Warner’s did when it recolored cartoons in the 1960s and gave them new credits in the process. (This always confused me when I was a kid — I was savvy enough graphically to know that those credits looked rather modern compared to the cartoons, but wasn’t sure why.) — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2033, from davemackey, 1407 chars, Tue May 28 21:10:50 1991 This is a comment to message 2032. ————————– The cartoon you cite was “Porky’s Prize Pony,” which also credited Rich Mogan with story. I guess the took the stylized H’s to be M’s in both cases. “Porky’s Garden” is like that, too, crediting Sid Suiherland. And about the replaced titles: even Nickelodeon thinks all those cartoons were made in 1967, which they weren’t: check out the copyright notice next time one comes up on one of their shows. I’ve noticed the AAP titles, as well, and also note that the stems of the letters often appear in a color different than the curved portions. Also, note that a few of the earliest ones even have recolored the desk that used to appear briefly after the iris out, which was a part of the “Inkwell” closing that Paramount used in the first year of Popeye production. At least one recolored Popeye has Paramount titles front and back (with the front main title’s mention of “Stereoptical Process And Apparatus Patented\/Patent No. 2054414”, a reference to the turntable camera). I don’t remember ever seeing an original b\/w Popeye with titles. Another thing I wonder about the recolored Popeyes is that there are several compilation episodes such as “I’m In The Army Now,” “Adventures Of Popeye” and “Doing Imposskible Stunts.” I wonder if someone made the artists aware that they didn’t have to go through the trouble of tracing the reused footage again. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2034, from davemackey, 1000 chars, Tue May 28 21:11:21 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: Happy (?) Anniversary Today is the 50th anniversary of the beginning of the long, bitter strike at the Walt Disney Studio. (I’ve seen May 27 and May 29 cited also, but the May 28 date is from “Of Mice and Magic” and who’s gonna argue with Maltin?) The strike concerned the unionization of the Disney animators by the new Screen Cartoonists Guild, and resulted in the loss of a key cross-section of Disney talent like Vlad “Bill” Tytla and Art Babbitt; some of those artists eventually formed the UPA studio and many landed elsewhere in animation. Morale suffered, too. Jack Kinney wrote in his book “Walt Disney And Assorted Other Characters” that many long friendships ended simply because both parties were on the opposite poles of the issue. “The studio was never the same when it was over,” Kinney wrote. “Walt cut off all privileges, and Disney’s became a very hard-nosed place.” The studio reopened on September 12 as a Guild shop. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2035, from hmccracken, 506 chars, Tue May 28 21:19:14 1991 This is a comment to message 2034. ————————– A sad anniversary. Maurice Noble, who struck and got fired as a result, says that even fifty years later when folks who were on opposite sides of the strike get together there’s an uneasy feeling sometimes. It has been speculated that the entire history of animation, or at least of Disney animation, might have been different if the strike hadn’t happened. Along with WWI it was clearly a major factor in Walt Disney’s loss of interest in animation and move towards projects like Disneyland. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2036, from davemackey, 916 chars, Wed May 29 19:05:52 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: CNN discusses animation art CNN ran a brief feature on its “Business Morning” on animation art collecting as an investment this morning. After explaining what a cel was, they gave the following pieces of advice: find a reputable dealer, watch out for fakes, start small by collecting pencil drawings, and make sure the character is popular. Leslie Brooks of the C.A. Brooks gallery was also interviewed. They also gave the example of a Bambi cel going for $15,400 in 1988 and $25,000 in 1990. If Mike Scoville is listening in, I’m sure he can either endorse or debunk this information, but it makes logical sense to me, all except for that last part about “make sure the character is popular” — while this may ensure a return on your investment, it can rob you of the learning experience of finding out about those more obscure actors and actresses of Toon Town. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2037, from davemackey, 168 chars, Wed May 29 19:06:28 1991 This is a comment to message 2026. ————————– I often find old auction catalogues in the back-date magazine stores in NYC, but very few of the exclusively animation variety. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2038, from bsoron, 729 chars, Wed May 29 19:39:57 1991 This is a comment to message 2036. There are additional comments to message 2036. ————————– Sadly, learning more about the art and its history is probably low on the list of priorities for investors. Equally sadly, one needn’t worry about making sure the character is popular — when I started out collecting Sugar & Spike, some dealers literally gave me issues because they knew I was the only person interested in them. (It was the sort of thing where I’d buy $10 or $20 worth of comics and get those thrown in.) It didn’t take more than a couple years for dealers to realize that the series was “popular”; at the DC Comics convention in ’78, one of the dealers who used to give me S&S issues offered to bring the price of the first issue down from $125 to $100. (I wanted it badly, but still couldn’t afford it.) ========================== animation\/main #2039, from sje, 491 chars, Wed May 29 22:41:42 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: How About A Mention Of The Animation Conference In A BYTE Ad? Each month _BYTE_ runs several advertisements for BIX and often mentions conferences and topics by name. However, I’ve never seen this conference mentioned, and I wonder how many new contributors we might get if we got some of this publicity. I for one heard about this conference accidentially and I suspect there may be others who might also get something from it — if they only knew about its existence. — Steve ========================== animation\/main #2040, from hmccracken, 308 chars, Wed May 29 22:43:54 1991 This is a comment to message 2039. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– We were mentioned in a BYTE ad about a year ago, Steve, and in all honesty I don’t think it brought all that many people into the conference. However, you’re right that it’s time for another mention…and time for some publicity in comics-related magazines as well…Both of which I’m working on. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2041, from sje, 344 chars, Wed May 29 23:03:12 1991 This is a comment to message 2040. ————————– I think you have a good idea with the comics related magazines; how about tapping every organization that’s been mentioned more than a few times and getting some publicity in their trade publications? Disney and Warner come to mind; perhaps some of the cable networks like TNT, USA, and Nickelodeon have program guides or the like. — Steve ========================== animation\/main #2042, from checker, 340 chars, Wed May 29 23:38:22 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: Working for the Man A friend of mine is here with me and wants to ask a question: Hey, do any of you folks know how to get a job at the Disney studios? I am an artist, and I’d really like to know who to get in touch with (who can I show my portfolio to?) If any of you out there can answer my question, please do. Thanks! Dan ========================== animation\/main #2043, from mscoville, 1996 chars, Thu May 30 00:13:00 1991 This is a comment to message 2036. There are additional comments to message 2036. ————————– WEll, I saw the same “compressed” news bit on CNN. There were many problems with the piece due to the limited time and research. What they were trying to get across is that in the latest auctions in the art world have been disastrous, but that animation appears to have been resilient and that prices have not fallen. It is expected that the sales by Christie’s and Sotheby’s will be very well received and prices should hold and not go down like the rest of the art market. As to prices, an example would be prices realized at the S\/R Labs sale which saw a CArmen Miranda Bugs Bunny cel go for $13,317 (Note: this didn’t include the buyers premium). At Howard Lowery’s sale there were very few passes and the prices realized held. An example, there was a Bambe and Thumper piece with a production background that went for $27,000. As to animation or any art for that fact being a great investment, one can do better in a money market account. If one is buying animation art it should be for the enjoyment, love and pleasure that the piece brings. Trying to anticipate what a market will do is suicide and even the “Acme” crystal ball cannot predict what will happen in the future. Yes, there are those who bought or got the art in the early infancy of the animation craze and yes they have made considerable profits, but the early purchases were for the love of the art and not the investment. Another point that has to be made is that while certain pieces will go for new record levels, most of the art has become stable in pricing. As to the “popular” remark, one should collect what one likes and loves. As to the resale value, yes a popular character might go faster than an obscure character, but with the rise in popularity of animation and the history, obscurity is falling by the wayside. Also, even though it is popular today, what will be the “in” character of the future? I don’t know. Well, that is enough for now…more at a later date. Sorry about the length. mscoville ========================== animation\/main #2044, from mscoville, 441 chars, Thu May 30 00:18:31 1991 This is a comment to message 2042. There are additional comments to message 2042. ————————– A good place to go for information is Walt Disney Feature Animation. There phone number is 818-544-3320. You should ask when they are doing interviews and looking at portfolios. Also, ask them what they want to see as they have very specific and strict requirements. As to other work in animation you might contact Jeff Massis at the Motion Picture Screen Cartoonists , Local 839. The phone number there is: 818-766-7151. Hope this helps… ========================== animation\/main #2045, from davemackey, 1331 chars, Thu May 30 00:42:32 1991 This is a comment to message 2042. ————————– Hi, Checker, and welcome to the Animation Conference. You seem to have a most appropriate name for this conference, since an animation checker is one who looks over the scenes and makes sure nothing’s missing, the colors follow through correctly, etc. So let me address your friend’s problem here. If you are confident enough in your skills to want to try to get into Disney, get their phone number from Directory Assistance in either Burbank or Orlando and find out if and when you can have your portfolio looked at. Good luck! (In the animation\/sources section, there is a list of the more prominent Hollywood animation studios with addresses; you may want to consider honing your craft in a shop where artistic merit is not as crucial as it is in the Disney organization.) But if you don’t get in the first time, keep practicing and drawing. If you don’t already have this book, may I recommend “Animation From Script To Screen” (ISBN 0-312-05052-6) by Shamus Culhane, himself a former Disney animator… an absolute must for anyone interested in a career in animation. I’m not certain, but I believe the Screen Cartoonists Guild Local 839 in Hollywood still offers courses to Guild members and students in the rudiments of storyboarding, animation, layout and background. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2046, from davemackey, 250 chars, Thu May 30 19:04:54 1991 This is a comment to message 2036. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Though it wasn’t my primary objective to give Leslie Brooks a plug, it does bear mentioning that Mr. Brooks also runs Mice, Ducks and Wabbits, who have occupied the back page of “Animato!” last several issues. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2047, from hmccracken, 251 chars, Thu May 30 19:54:38 1991 This is a comment to message 2046. ————————– Leslie just sent out a catalog to folks on his mailing list with some nice stuff. MD&W often has some unusual-but-interesting artwork abailable for sale. — Harry TINARINABAOTS (This is not a review — I’ve never actually bought any of this stuff) ========================== animation\/main #2048, from davemackey, 527 chars, Sat Jun 1 16:57:28 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: Joy Batchelor Joy Batchelor, whose animation partnership with husband John Halas lasted more than fifty years, died on May 14 in London at the age of 77. Many place the peak of the twin careers of Halas and Batchelor at 1954, when they produced a thoughtful animated adaptation of George Orwell’s book “Animal Farm.” They also produced television commercials and series, and also provided subcontracted animation to some of Gene Deitch’s Popeye cartoons in the early 1960’s. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2049, from davemackey, 626 chars, Sat Jun 1 16:58:13 1991 ————————– TITLE: Cartoons on centerstage in the “Show Business Bible” Once again, “Variety” is featuring a special section on the world of global animation; their last such section was about a year ago. The feature appears in the May 27 issue, which should be available on newsstands and in select bookstores like B. Dalton and Waldenbooks. While short on features of fan interest (such as last year’s twin profiles of Chuck Jones and Friz Freleng), there is a reference guide listing practically every major animated studio in the world and the most prominent recent work of those studios. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2050, from hmccracken, 148 chars, Sat Jun 1 18:28:35 1991 This is a comment to message 2048. ————————– Halas and Batechelor also produced some adaptations of Crockett Johnson’s legendary _Barnaby_ comic strip that I’ve always wanted to see. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2051, from switch, 153 chars, Sun Jun 2 18:29:53 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: Just installed in ‘listings’… …’omam_corr.txt’, Dave Mackey’s list of corrections to Leonard Maltin’s _Of Mice and Magic_, 2nd edition. Emru ========================== animation\/main #2052, from davemackey, 497 chars, Mon Jun 3 20:00:41 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: A McKimson goof Just watching “Mouse-Placed Kitten” on Nick, and I just noticed a little gaffe in a scene which is supposed to denote the passage of months. Calendar pages that read June 1, July 1, August 1, etc. fall off the calendar. When each page is removed from the calendar, the month name on the page that is being removed disappears. I think McKimson thought this to be a nice little shortcut that nobody would notice. Sorry, Bob, I noticed. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2053, from davemackey, 132 chars, Mon Jun 3 20:00:49 1991 This is a comment to message 2051. ————————– May I add that these are primarily corrections to the filmography and not to the main text. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2054, from hmccracken, 346 chars, Mon Jun 3 20:21:09 1991 This is a comment to message 2052. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Presumbably it’s tough to animate the lettering on the pages fluttering as the page falls off…Disney would have done it, probably, but has been noted (by Chuck Jones among others; it’s a statement of fact, not an insult) Warner Bros. was always a cut-rate studio. (This is also why so many Warner cartoons only have two characters.) — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2055, from hmccracken, 2125 chars, Mon Jun 3 22:25:51 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: The National Cartoonists’ Society has handed out this year’s awards, including the Reuben award for Cartoonist of the Year, and here are the results, as reported in this week’s _Comics Buyer’s Guide_ (the comments are mine, not CBG’s): Cartoonist of the Year (the Reuben itself) went to Gary Larson for _The Far Side_. I don’t recall if Larson has ever won an NCS award before — while I think _The Far Side_ is definitely past its prime (Larson never recovered from that sabbaticalhe took), he certainly deserves some sort of award for his entire body of work. The award for Strip\/Panel cartooning went to Art Sansom for _The Born Loser_. I don’t know if _The Born Loser_ is really anyone’s sincere choice as the best comic strip published duringthe past year, but Sansom has quietly been doing nice work since the 1960s. It’s good to see it recognized. Editorial\/sports went to Pat Oliphant. No argument there, Oliphant is consistently at the top of his profession, and almost always better than whatever gagsmith gets the Pulitzer in any particular year. Magazine cartoons went to Harry Devlin, whose work I don’t know. Devlin is a leading light of the NCS and has been for many years. Electronic media (formerly the animation award) went to Chuck Jones, for the second year in a row. While I stoop to no one in my respect for Jones, I don’t know what’s in the NCS’s head, if this award is for work done in the previous year. At least Jones did some animation last year (I don’t believe he did any work in animation the previous year). Unfortunately, his credits for _Gremlins II_ are not really worthy of an award. The situation here is much like when the NCS used to give Will Eisner — another cartoonist of unimpeachable skill — the comic book award each year, even when he had done no comics in the preceding year. Commercial art went to Steve DuQuette, whom I haven’t heard of. This may be a new name for the old comic book category — but then, aren’t comic strips and panels, editorial cartoons, magazine cartoons, and electronic media all commercial art of one sort or another? — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2056, from davemackey, 740 chars, Wed Jun 5 00:09:20 1991 This is a comment to message 2054. ————————– I don’t think it would have been that difficult at Warner’s. By the middle 50’s they had an artist on staff named Don Foster who was responsible for all lettering that was used in the cartoons, including the title and credit lettering and anything else needed. It wouldn’t have been too difficult for Foster to trace over the calendar pages and just stencil in the lettering for each individual month. (Don Foster eventually followed Chuck Jones over to MGM, where his typographic work can best be seen in “The Dot And The Line.”) Alas, monetary restrictions probably did take precedence. I’m certain there were other animation shortcuts that Warner’s employed that we still haven’t discovered. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2057, from davemackey, 687 chars, Wed Jun 5 00:09:41 1991 This is a comment to message 2055. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– The NCS is a shining example of cronyism at its best. This explains the myriad of awards given to artists who have been relatively unproductive (such as Jones, for example: while I don’t argue that he’s deserving of awards for lifetime achievement, to give him one for his relatively undistinguished 1990 work is foolish). But even Will Eisner, a longtime NCS pet, is always keeping busy doing new covers for The Spirit reprint comics and his graphic novel work. I would think that commercial art would be roughly parallel to advertising design. By the way, who won the Sports Cartooning award? Was it Bill Gallo for the umpteenth time? –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2058, from hmccracken, 308 chars, Wed Jun 5 09:14:07 1991 This is a comment to message 2057. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– The editorial and sports awards have apparently been rolled into one award, presumably because there are so few sports cartoonists out there. Probably the most notorious example of the NCS’s cronyism was when, in 1976 or so, they gave Ernie Bushmiller the Reuben as best cartoonist of the year… — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2059, from davemackey, 781 chars, Wed Jun 5 20:05:42 1991 This is a comment to message 2058. ————————– I re-read your message and finally figured out that Oliphant was the sports winner as well. The Daily News continues to print pretty good cartoons by Bill Gallo, who is also the paper’s boxing columnist. Years ago, Gallo alternated with caricaturist Bruce Stark. After Philadelphia Phillie Len Dykstra had his drunk driving accident, The News printed — full page — a cautionary cartoon by Gallo on the evils of drinking and driving by athletes that should be hung on the walls of every scholastic locker room in the country. Despite recent health problems Gallo just keeps on keeping on, and his characters of Basement Bertha and Yuchie are probably more beloved to New York sports fans than some of the regular comics page denizens. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2060, from switch, 371 chars, Thu Jun 6 13:57:46 1991 ————————– TITLE: Rec.arts.anime Just installed raa044.arc and raa045.arc. These are going to be the last of the UUCP digests for a while, unless someone volunteers to grab the messages and upload them to me to prune and post. Actually, it would be nice if someone got the other animation-related UUCP stuff, since I seem to have more time for this sort of thing. Anyone? Emru ========================== animation\/main #2061, from hmccracken, 622 chars, Sun Jun 9 00:04:44 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: Special CBIX this Tuesday As usual, we’ll have a CBIX in the animation conference this Tuesday at 10pm EST, but this time it’s a little different and rather special. BPamela and Mike Scoville (aka mscoville), the directors of the Animation Art Guild, will be discussing the world of animation art collecting with us. The Guild, for those of you who don’t know, is an organization that publishes two fine newsletters, maintains an art price database, and does other useful things for art collectors and animation fans in general. Please join us for what should be an informative and entertaining event! — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2062, from hmccracken, 856 chars, Sun Jun 9 21:58:19 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: The _Fantasia_ exhibit at the Museum of Cartoon Art was crashed today by our own Dave Mackey, Pam and Mike Scoville, and me, as well as Matthew Hasson, a non-BIXing friend. It’s a fine show, even without the stolen art that was discussed in this conference a few months ago. While there aren’t all that many cels in the show, there are dozens of conceptual sketches, animation drawings, and other interesting pieces, as well as several wonderful character statuettes. The Museum also ran a well-done documentary on the making of _Fantasia_ that was produced for the Disney Channel. A good time was had by all, I believe. Unfortunately, the _Fantasia_ show is only on for another weekj, but if you can get down to Rye Brook,it’s worth a longish trip to do so (he said after having just invested about eight hours of driving all told). — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2063, from davemackey, 1291 chars, Sun Jun 9 23:43:32 1991 This is a comment to message 2062. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Absolutely, and I think in the case of “Fantasia,” the storyboard drawings and conceptual art are a little more meaningful and creative than the usual nuts-and-bolts animation and layout drawings. Example: there were some Bill Tytla animation drawings of Chernobog, the Black God, from the “Night On Bald Mountain” sequence. While they’re more artistic and intricate than your usual animation drawings, they paled next to some tiny storyboard\/concept paintings hung nearby. Mike and Jeanne Glad, from whose collection the exhibit is drawn, should now receive some public plaudits for achieving and maintaining a very high standard in animation art collecting, even though they’ve only been at it for no more than seven years. (After all, we’ve toasted them privately all afternoon.) I liked seeing the special (I never saw it despite having TDC) and was amused by one story in particular: since the Disney technicians enabled the artists to use an unlimited range of colors for the first time in “Fantasia,” new colors were sought. Background artist Ray Huffine found one such color he was looking for in his lunch. And as a result, “Fantasia” is probably the only film which has ever used a background painted in part with boysenberry jam. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2064, from hmccracken, 170 chars, Mon Jun 10 09:08:27 1991 This is a comment to message 2063. ————————– And in passing, let us congratulate the Disney Channel for having the good sense to hire Leonard Maltin, a knowledgable animation scholar, to write the special. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2065, from hmccracken, 271 chars, Thu Jun 13 18:59:54 1991 This is a comment to message 2061. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– The CBIX with Pam and Mike Scoville was held on Tuesday night as planned, and if you missed it…Well, you missed a good time. The discussion of animation art collecting was lively and informative; look for more specially-themed animation CBIXes in the future. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2066, from switch, 145 chars, Thu Jun 13 19:17:15 1991 This is a comment to message 2065. ————————– Yargh…. I really couldn’t concentrate on the CBIX because I was working on some layouts for a friend and had to meet a deadline. Bleah. Emru ========================== animation\/main #2067, from davemackey, 1014 chars, Sat Jun 15 16:41:50 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: “Duck Factory” on Comedy Central Since printed schedules are so hard to come by, I don’t quite have a handle on the complete schedule of Comedy Central, the channel which used to be called CTV: The Comedy Network and was formerly two separate channels, HA! and The Comedy Channel. So it came as a surprise this morning when I found out Comedy Central shows “The Duck Factory” on Saturday mornings at 9:30 a.m. The show aired on NBC in the early 1980’s and concerned the adventures of the employees of a cartoon studio. The cast included Jim Carrey, the late Jack Gilford, Teresa Ganzel, Julie Payne, and Don Messick playing (of course) the voice of Dippy Duck, the studio’s major character. Animation producer Herbert Klynn, who ran Format Films and Warner Bros. at various times, co-created the series, and acted as animation consultant. Animation for the series were produced by Playhouse Pictures, under the supervision of Adrian and Gerry Woolery. … –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2068, from hmccracken, 297 chars, Sat Jun 15 17:44:51 1991 This is a comment to message 2067. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– I didn’t know about Herbert Klynn’s association with the series, but wasn’t it co-created by Allan Burns, whose career included work as a writer for _The Bullwinkle Show_ as well as the co-creation of _The Mary Tyler Moore Show_? Also, June Foray and Bill Scott guested on one episode. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2069, from richard.pini, 201 chars, Sat Jun 15 20:20:29 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: I am doomed… I spent the better part of today viewing the auction exhibits at both Christie’s and Sotheby’s. Oooooooohhhhhh booooyyyyyyyyyyyyy. Watch this space for further developments. \ud83d\ude09 ========================== animation\/main #2070, from davemackey, 215 chars, Sat Jun 15 22:39:52 1991 ————————– TITLE: Tomorrow… is Father’s Day, and there is but one recommended cartoon for the holiday: “A Bear For Punishment,” one of the most brilliantly executed shorts in history. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2071, from davemackey, 238 chars, Sun Jun 16 00:09:01 1991 This is a comment to message 2068. ————————– Yes, Allan Burns was in on “The Duck Factory,” and the “MTM Show” with some guy named James Brooks. (Which proves the cyclical nature of the medium, always rotating creators into and out of shows.) –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2072, from davemackey, 351 chars, Sun Jun 16 00:32:08 1991 ————————– TITLE: Something only Dave would notice So I’m watching the news on Channel 4, waiting for “Saturday Night Live” to come on, and I’m looking at the credits, expecting nothing in particular, and there it was: “Graphic Designer: Dave Ubinas.” Mr. U. was a background artist with Paramount cartoons in the 1960’s. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2073, from davemackey, 166 chars, Sun Jun 16 08:44:36 1991 This is a comment to message 2069. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 2069. ————————– I’m going up to Christie’s myself later this morning. Let me know what impressed you and we’ll compare notes when I get home. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2074, from davemackey, 815 chars, Mon Jun 17 23:06:53 1991 This is a comment to message 2069. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Say, Rich, you know which one I want? The one of Snow White running through the forest and screaming that Christie’s has. But I don’t have $25,000-$35,000. Don’t get me wrong: I will eventually have some animation art. But I think I’ve gotta start small and work my way up to the bigger pieces. It hasn’t been mentioned here (I always try to defer to Mike Scoville on things like this but he and Pam have been quite busy) but the Sotheby’s auction, which is tomorrow, includes lots from Peanuts specials especially selected for the auction by Lee Mendelsohn\/Bill Melendez, as well as a selection of recent Warner Bros. work, including “Box Office Bunny,” “1990 Academy Awards,” “Bugs Bunny On Broadway” and “Merrie Melodies Starring Bugs Bunny And Friends” main titles. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2075, from hmccracken, 380 chars, Wed Jun 19 18:00:17 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: Checks for Cartoon Nuts Just got back my order of Looney Tunes checks from my bank, and they’re absolutely wonderful. The checks have pastel backgrounds of Warner Bros. tableaux including two Bugs Bunny scenes, a Tweety and Sylvester one, and a Road Runner one. The Road Runner is my favorite and I’d gladly buy a checkbook of nothing but those ones if it was available. ========================== animation\/main #2076, from hmccracken, 259 chars, Wed Jun 19 18:02:29 1991 This is a comment to message 2075. There are additional comments to message 2075. ————————– I forgot to mention that these checks are produced by Deluxe Check Printers; since this company is the largest check manufacturer, there’s a good chance your bank offers them if you’re interested. If not, they may be available directly from Deluxe. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2077, from richard.pini, 845 chars, Wed Jun 19 18:42:09 1991 This is a comment to message 2073. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Well, at Christie’s I guess the *big* impressive single piece was the one of Maleficent on the balcony of her castle, arms upraised, ready to start making things thorny for the Prince. Whew. But then, “Sleeping Beauty” is one of our very favorite Disney films. Of course, anything from “Fantasia” – particularly concept drawings and such – will get to me. In fact, the one painting from the deleted “Claire de Lune” sequence – that *incredible* flower – had me believing that I was looking at a 3-D sculpture. Even after I knew it was “only” a painting, I couldn’t take my eyes off it. But those kind of big bux I ain’t got. However, I have just about talked myself into going to the Christie’s auction tomorrow (I passed over the Sotheby’s one) to see if I can snag a couple of the Fleischer Studio lots. I have a real fondness for their work. ========================== animation\/main #2078, from richard.pini, 41 chars, Wed Jun 19 18:42:48 1991 This is a comment to message 2074. There are additional comments to message 2074. ————————– The man has taste, you gotta admit… \ud83d\ude09 ========================== animation\/main #2079, from richard.pini, 144 chars, Wed Jun 19 18:45:24 1991 This is a comment to message 2075. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– See what collecting sluts we are? I got an order of those, never to use, just to have. Ditto on the Space series – I think by the same company. ========================== animation\/main #2080, from bsoron, 124 chars, Wed Jun 19 20:44:10 1991 This is a comment to message 2079. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Hey Richard, if you’re up for it, I wouldn’t mind buying a few of yours just to have. And could you autograph ’em? \ud83d\ude42 \/ ========================== animation\/main #2081, from davemackey, 475 chars, Wed Jun 19 23:25:39 1991 ————————– TITLE: Bill and Joe in New York Caught a glimpse of Bill Hanna and Joe Barbera being interviewed by Al Roker on “Live At Five” today on the New York NBC station. They’re in town for a licensing show. The interview wasn’t anything you haven’t seen before: Bill and Joe philosophizing about what made their characters so popular, and like that. But it’s good to see them still representing the industry in such a dignified fashion. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2082, from hmccracken, 30 chars, Wed Jun 19 23:34:42 1991 This is a comment to message 2077. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Good luck, Richard! — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2083, from switch, 295 chars, Thu Jun 20 21:53:28 1991 ————————– TITLE: Flipping through the latest Factsheet Five, I came across… …this zine: Frostbite Falls Far-Flung Flier Charles Ulrich 2160 Bryant St. Palo Alto, CA 94301 “A newsletter for fans of Rocky, Bullwinkle, and the rest of the Jay Ward cartoon characters.” It’s $10 for four issues. Emru ========================== animation\/main #2084, from richard.pini, 14 chars, Fri Jun 21 17:20:40 1991 This is a comment to message 2080. ————————– Wiseguy… \ud83d\ude09 ========================== animation\/main #2085, from richard.pini, 855 chars, Fri Jun 21 17:25:30 1991 This is a comment to message 2082. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Well, there’s a report after the fact over in elfquest\/dreamberries, #2544. The short form is that some very nice major pieces went for upwards of 50 kilobux each – I saw one guy I know put somewhere between a quarter and a third of a million dollars into 4-5 pieces (I wasn’t keeping close track, I was brain-fried by then, but I know that Pam and Mike Scoville did, cuz I watched ’em). The Simpsons stuff went for obscene amounts – $3-4000 when the estimates were a quarter that amount – and the final piece, a special one done by Matt Groening for the auction, proceeds going to charity, went for $22000!!!!!!! We all died at that point. Me, I had mixed luck, winning one lot of some Fleischer Superman material, losing a lot of Fleischer Raggedy Ann cels, and the jury is out on a Gulliver cel I may or may not be able to buy directly from the owner. ========================== animation\/main #2086, from hmccracken, 168 chars, Fri Jun 21 18:55:50 1991 This is a comment to message 2085. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– I still have a fondness them because You snared some Fleischer artwrok? Tell us more, Richard, so we (or I at least) can turn even greener with jealousy… — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2087, from mscoville, 3024 chars, Fri Jun 21 22:42:02 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: Auctions, exhaustions Well, we have finally come up for air, but are zapped out when it comes to any animation cels. I can’t even remember what was what. I will have to wait until the film is developed and then remember what they look like. As to the auctions themselves, here is a capsule roundup of what took place: 1. The tolal amounts brought in by both auction houses was close to 3 million, with Christies getting the lions share. 2. The losers and most passed category was drawings. It seems that collectors aren’t interested in just a character on paper. IF the drawing is intricate, then(oops) then it will probably sell. Inf act there have been some high prices for early concept and layout drawings from the the 1930s. 3. Charlie Brown made a great debut via auctions. At Sotheby’s he brought in some 124,000 not including the buyers premium. That was for only 15 lots. The lowest item went for 2,000, the highest was $31,000 and the average spread in price was between 3 & 5,000. 4. The new Warner Bros. art was not as spectacular in garnering prices. There were 26 lots and 6 did not make their reserve. It was ashame as the reserve in general was 1,500. In comparason with the Simpsons, Charlie Brown, and Little Mermaid it did not do as well. THe main buying by the public was that if it had Bugs Bunny on it , it sold. The other cels with Daffy and Elmer went for a lower amount or was one of those passed. The total amount garnered was $54,200. The high for a Bugs 7,500 and the low was $1,600. 5. Now, to the Simpsons. What can be said. The 28 lots fetched 107,200 (not including the buyers premium) The highest lot, that was reported earlier, did indeed go for $22,000. It was bought by a gentleman who owns 2 restaurants. He also, bought a number of other pieces. The $22,000 paid actually helped both the buyer and the seller. THe monies raised went to AIDS research and the buyer gets to take a deduction of 21,000 of this years taxes. As to why they fetched the high prices being so new?????I really can’t say, except that the bidders were new to collecting animation art. The vintage collectors stood on t(it shoudl read) stood in the wings, waiting unt il the vintage pieces went back on the auction block. The high price showing by the Simpsons reflects a very good marketing campaign by Fox TV, Christie’s, the cel distributor and finally Matt Groening. It was reported that he was thrilled when he heard the prices. 6. As to prices in general, the overall prices held. There was no downward trend which has occurred in other fine art auctions. Also, there was gains made in cel with matching backgounds or production cels with production backgrounds. A new high was set for Cinderella art, $80,000 (without the buyers premium). Well, that’s it in a nutshell. If you have any specific questions, we will be able to answer them when we have had some more sleep. We apologize for and grammatical or spelling errors. (Should read any grammatical or spelling errors) mscoville ========================== animation\/main #2088, from hmccracken, 59 chars, Sat Jun 22 00:26:29 1991 This is a comment to message 2087. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Thanks for the interesting auction report, Mike. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2089, from hmccracken, 529 chars, Sat Jun 22 00:33:39 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: Animation CBIX this Tuesday Iffy This Tuesday’s animation CBIX will be at best an informal and tentative one. I’ll be in New York for PC Expo, and while I’ll have a notebpook computer with modem with me I can’t be positive that I’ll be where I can use it at 10 that night (or that my hotel room’s phone system will let me use it for that matter). I will do my best to be here if at all possible, so die-hard CBIXers (and everybody else) are entirely welcome to drop by at the usual time and see what’s brewin’. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2090, from richard.pini, 1876 chars, Sun Jun 23 15:56:49 1991 This is a comment to message 2086. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– I’ll tell more, but *only* if you finish the first line of your post. \ud83d\ude09 Essentially, there were about 10 lots of Fleischer material there. One was a cel and background from “Hoppity Goes to Town,” but in my eyes a very mediocre scene. There were a couple of Popeye cels, again, feh. There was one interesting lot of about a dozen cels of random characters from Gulliver, plus a couple of backgrounds, but it was *too* random for me. The lot I lost, of the Raggedy Ann cels, hurt a little. One cel of Andy and the Senorita, one of Ann and Andy on the Camel with the Wrinkled Knees, and one other (I forget the subject). On the one hand they were lovely, and charming, and the colors were wonderfully pastel; on the other hand, they needed a *lot* of restoration. So that was a split feeling. The lot I did win had a production drawing from “The Bulleteers” done in pencil\/charcoal, showing the bullet car zeroing in on a big power plant; real nice piece. (This is also one of my favorite of the cartoons if for no other reason than the scene where the car zooms in on Superman and he punches it out of the ballpark – PTWANG! – and inertia and stress on the human body be damned – grin.) Also there was the background from the “Arctic Giant” cartoon, the dam that the tyrannosaurus wades into and smashes. A minor piece but fun. Plus what looks to be an unshot Superman script, and a Popeye script. The Gulliver cel that I’m angling for is one from the scene where Gulliver wakes up after he’s been tied and transported into the castle courtyard. He hears Gabby, reaches up, fumbles around in the balcony for a bit, and then holds this teeny little screeching person up to his face to see. For a split second, his eyes get wide and a little smile of disbelief comes on his face. The cel is right from that moment; it’s a winner. Also a favorite moment from the movie for me. ========================== animation\/main #2091, from richard.pini, 361 chars, Sun Jun 23 16:02:13 1991 This is a comment to message 2088. ————————– Y’know, I guess it’s just a matter of taste, but I’d probably look more favorably upon drawings than upon cels and\/or backgrounds. There’s something, for me, a lot more spontaneous in those drawings. It’s the same with some SF art – you look at a Boris painting and it’s very slick and technically proficient and quite cold. But his sketches, *they* are alive. ========================== animation\/main #2092, from hmccracken, 597 chars, Sun Jun 23 16:54:22 1991 This is a comment to message 2090. ————————– Thanks for the additional information, but — hah! — I fooled you! I can’t finish the first sentence of that post, because I have no clue what I was trying to say there. It was a remnant from some previous post. I should explain that I’ve been doing some BIXing from the office using a terminal program that, among other things, doesn’t let you backspace and crashes often. And no, I don’t feel guilty about admitting to posting something in animation from work, considering that the post in question was done at 7pm on a Friday (matter of fact, I’m posting this from work as well). — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2093, from davemackey, 243 chars, Wed Jun 26 21:33:23 1991 This is a comment to message 2089. ————————– We did have a modest little CBIX last night, with only Steve Edwards and Mike Scoville in attendance (Thanks Guys!) About the only topic of major discussion was what makes a cartoon character a classic. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2094, from davemackey, 1127 chars, Fri Jun 28 03:17:35 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: Another Cartoonland Mystery Every so often I purchase cartoons in 16mm where titles and credits are missing or incorrect, and it becomes the job of a detective to figure out who did these cartoons. In my most recent round of purchases, I acquired a cartoon called “Undersea Wedding” with a copyright date of 1950 and an MPAA certificate on the title panel, number 04848. The animation was strikingly smooth, and there was a music underscore with no sound effects. An end title stating the cartoon to be a Columbia Color Rhapsody appeared at the end; I knew this to be wrong since that unit shut down several years earlier. My knee-jerk reaction would be to blame any one of several practicioners of obscure animation such as Jam Handy, Paul Fennell or John Sutherland. But the short played more like a Harman and Ising mood piece of the 30’s. So whose cartoon is this anyway? (P.S. Also in this lot of cartoons I purchased: the first two Batfink cartoons, “Pink Pearl Of Persia” and “The Short Circuit Case.” Everyone sing along…. “Oh, what a lucky man he was.”) –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2095, from sharonfisher, 276 chars, Fri Jun 28 10:20:02 1991 This is a comment to message 2094. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 2094. ————————– Hey, I saw a piece of that on Pee Wee Herman, I bet. At least, the description sounds right. Unfortunately, of course, Pee Wee just showed bits, and never showed credits or titles. Agree that it looked like Harmon-Ising to me, too, but I don’t have any information on it. ========================== animation\/main #2096, from davemackey, 194 chars, Sat Jun 29 04:12:32 1991 This is a comment to message 2074. ————————– Since I’m such a stickler for misspellings of animators’ names, let me correct one of my own: it’s Lee Mendelson, not Mendelsohn (as in Jack Mendelsohn). –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2097, from switch, 658 chars, Sat Jun 29 14:22:24 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: Top Ten Cartoons For the annual Just For Laughs comedy festival up here, the Rialto cinema will be screening the “Top Ten Cartoons”, which one presumes should be read as the “Ten Funniest Cartoons”. They’re apparently picked by such noted individuals such as (off the top of my head) Chuck Jones and Martin Scorcese. My roommate and I went over the list, and while we agree on some, we also think some of the choices could have been passed over for far funnier. Anyway, my curiosity’s been piqued. Let’s have an informal poll: what do you consider to be the ten funniest Hollywood cartoons, and the ten funniest animated shorts of all time? Emru ========================== animation\/main #2098, from davemackey, 869 chars, Sat Jun 29 18:43:29 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: Quote unquote “One of the first film jobs I had was the scoring of a 150-picture animated cartoon series, ‘The Mighty Hercules.’ Working at the rate of two episodes a week, we had worked out a system using a basic library of some 30 music cues of from 10 to 120 seconds, mostly variations on the series title song… after the mix, the tracks would be broken out and the same cues used for the next week’s films (the tracks rearranged, of course), the music taking on new characteristics from the new visuals it would accompany… I’d be willing to bet that not one person in 500 regularly watching the series would realize the same music was being used again and again.” –Winston Sharples Jr., from “The Aesthetics Of Film Sound,” Filmmakers Newsletter, March 1975. Sharples was the son of longtime Van Beuren\/Paramount musical director Winston Sharples. ========================== animation\/main #2099, from davemackey, 2028 chars, Sat Jun 29 22:02:28 1991 This is a comment to message 2097. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 2097. ————————– Emru, I’d like to know what the list is, but in the meantime (gosh, this is a tough one — now you know why I’ve never sent in a postcard to the Animato! Film Poll! \ud83d\ude09 From the home office in Dubuque… Dave’s Top Ten Funniest Hollywood Animated Cartoons (though some were made in New York) — drumroll, Anton…. 10. “Pink Campaign” (DePatie-Freleng, 1975 — you’re probably saying “What?!” but this is a pretty damn funny cartoon directed by Art Leonardi. The Panther borrows things from his neighbor, eventually setting up housekeeping in his neighbor’s house on the Panther’s property.) 9. “Who’s Cookin’ Who?” (Lantz, 1947 — I always loved the contortions on the wolf’s face as he painstakingly cranks himself through the meat grinder.) 8. “Chew Chew Baby” (Paramount, 1958 — Sparber’s last cartoon before his death is an excessively gruesome story of a little cannibal who eats various citizens of Cincinnati. But you laugh because Paramount had the guts to put this in theatres, then later persecute Howard Post for making a cartoon about Noah’s Ark and not allow Shamus Culhane to do Sholem Alecheim.) 7. “The Dover Boys” (Warner Bros., 1942 — Chuck Jones’ big breakthrough film, the first where he proved he could be graphically interesting and funny at the same time.) 6. “Moving Aweigh” (Paramount, 1945 — Vivid comic imagery that lasts a lifetime. The police car assuming the shape of the piano dropped on it is one of my all-time favorite gags.) 5. “Batty Baseball” (MGM, 1943 — melding two national pastimes: baseball and Tex Avery.) 4. “Something’s Cookin'” (Richard Williams Studio, 1988 — component part of “Who Framed Roger Rabbit” and some say the best part of the film) 3. “Rabbit Seasoning” (Warner Bros., 1952 — What season is it? That Championship Season!) 2. “Hockey Homicide” (Disney, 1945 — One of the most maniacal cartoons ever made) 1. And the funniest cartoon ever made? The next one. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2100, from hmccracken, 287 chars, Sun Jun 30 23:47:54 1991 This is a comment to message 2094. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– If it looks like a Harman-Ising cartoon, Dave, it may well be by Huhgh Harman, who produced the odd (in more than one sense of the word) cartoon for many years after he left active production. The pro-tooth brushing _Winky the Watchman_ is perhaps the most well-known example. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2101, from hmccracken, 297 chars, Sun Jun 30 23:49:14 1991 This is a comment to message 2098. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Did I mention here that while reading a recent issue of _AutoWeek_ magazine I came across a letter signed “Win Sharples?” The letter had nothing to do with cartoons, but I’d love to think it was penned by either Winston Jr. or his dad, if he’s still with us. Or perhaps by Winston III! — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2102, from davemackey, 240 chars, Sun Jun 30 23:59:31 1991 This is a comment to message 2095. ————————– I took another look at it this weekend and still have no clues. The copyright notice just reads “COPYRIGHT MCML — ALL RIGHTS RESERVED”. I may check the copyright catalogue next weekend for this one. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2103, from davemackey, 415 chars, Mon Jul 1 00:13:38 1991 This is a comment to message 2101. ————————– Winston Sharples died in 1978; his son was very articulate on the subject of film and was a contributing editor to Filmmakers Newsletter, with film reviews and interviews his major contributions. In the article I quoted from, Sharples Jr. goes on to say that one day the editor mixed up the two tracks being screened for Trans-Lux executives and nobody noticed but him. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2104, from bferg, 221 chars, Mon Jul 1 10:56:47 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– It was nice to go to the movie the other day to see “Rocketeer” and have a cartoon before the movie. I missed that for years, seems to be the trend to play a cartoon before some movies…any thoughts on this? Barbara ========================== animation\/main #2105, from bferg, 98 chars, Mon Jul 1 10:57:50 1991 This is a comment to message 2097. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 2097. ————————– OH, my…all kinds of faves pops into my head, I am not familiar with the titles, tho… Barbara ========================== animation\/main #2106, from davemackey, 706 chars, Mon Jul 1 21:45:33 1991 This is a comment to message 2104. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 2104. ————————– What theatre did you go to? As most of the visitors to this conference know, the AMC Theatres were showing selected Warner Bros. cartoons before most of their features nationwide in honor of Bugs Bunny’s 50th birthday. There is no other way to see a cartoon crafted for theatres than in a theatre. It takes on a whole other dimension of majesty and pageantry. Incidentally, on a related subject, “The Never Ending Story II” began its pay-per-view run today, and I still haven’t determined if “Box Office Bunny” is in front of it. Any reports, pro or con, would be appreciated before I plunk down another $3.95 to see a movie I walked out in the middle of. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2107, from davemackey, 229 chars, Mon Jul 1 21:45:42 1991 This is a comment to message 2105. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 2105. ————————– Don’t ever let not knowing the titles stop you. If you just describe the cartoons, someone here (moi?) will eventually come up with the title, and maybe even the studio, year and director! –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2108, from bferg, 75 chars, Tue Jul 2 12:13:31 1991 This is a comment to message 2106. There are additional comments to message 2106. ————————– I believe it was AMC, before Rocketeer. Was a Pink Panther toon. Barbara ========================== animation\/main #2109, from bferg, 558 chars, Tue Jul 2 12:18:48 1991 This is a comment to message 2107. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– I guess my fave is the one with the singing frog, I understand a classic. Bugs and Yosemite Sam on the boat, where Bugs throws matches down the mast, my second fave. The rabbit season duck season one, with Elmer, my third. Road runner toons where he falls over cliff, timed just right, and splats, several of those around, I believe. That is all the gray matter will muster right now, I like the old black and white Popeye toons, there are several of those that line up in faves. And additionally, I like the old Betty Boop toons. How is that? \ud83d\ude42 Barbara ========================== animation\/main #2110, from hmccracken, 268 chars, Tue Jul 2 15:59:31 1991 This is a comment to message 2109. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 2109. ————————– Good enough, Barbara! The singing frog cartoon is _One Froggy Evening_…There is actually a trilogy of a duck season-rabbit season cartoons, all very good and very similar. Now you’ve given me incentive to upload my own ten faves, which I will do soon… — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2111, from hmccracken, 232 chars, Tue Jul 2 16:02:11 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Big Incentive to Drop Into the Animation CBIX Tonight at 10 EDT…I’ll be talking about my recent visits to Disney-MGM Studios and to the veteran animatior-director Shamus Culhane…Exciting, huh? Stop in and learn more! — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2112, from bferg, 272 chars, Tue Jul 2 18:26:45 1991 This is a comment to message 2110. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– I wish I could remember what the names of my fave Popeye cartoons, but I think the one with Olive sleep walking is at the top. Additionally, the one with Sweet Pea crawling through the factory assembly line getting away from Popeye is high on the list, too. \ud83d\ude42 Barbara ========================== animation\/main #2113, from davemackey, 260 chars, Tue Jul 2 19:07:13 1991 This is a comment to message 2106. ————————– Regarding “The Never Ending Story II” and whether “Box Office Bunny” is in front of it on Pay-Per-View: YES!!! I will be watching and taping it tonight and will upload the credits to \/listings for any curious parties. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2114, from davemackey, 576 chars, Tue Jul 2 19:25:33 1991 This is a comment to message 2109. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Your selections were (1) “One Froggy Evening,” (2) “Buccaneer Bunny,” (3) either “Rabbit Fire,” “Rabbit Seasoning” or “Duck! Rabbit, Duck!” since there were 3 such cartoons. Good choices. And I see you are a Fleischer buff. I have no small affection for any New York animation, having lived some 50 miles from the place most of my life. It’s sad that many of the Popeye and Betty Boop cartoons that the Fleischers did have been hand-traced and colored in, robbing the animation of that je ne sais quoi that defined the Fleischer style. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2115, from davemackey, 293 chars, Tue Jul 2 19:25:44 1991 This is a comment to message 2112. There are additional comments to message 2112. ————————– Your selections were “A Dream Walking” and “Lost and Foundry” respectively. I can remember watching Popeye cartoons and studying them carefully as far back as 1970, when I was but nine. The Popeyes were no small influence on my later love of animation. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2116, from bferg, 44 chars, Tue Jul 2 19:59:23 1991 This is a comment to message 2114. There are additional comments to message 2114. ————————– Thanks, nice to see the titles, \ud83d\ude42 Barbara ========================== animation\/main #2117, from switch, 133 chars, Tue Jul 2 20:39:07 1991 This is a comment to message 2099. ————————– I’ll post the list soon enough; I’d like to do an informal poll of the conference members favorites first and see what we get. Emru ========================== animation\/main #2118, from switch, 138 chars, Tue Jul 2 20:39:45 1991 This is a comment to message 2105. ————————– Heck, go for a description of the cartoon, and we can have fun trying to name the things. (Betcha Dave’ll get them all first try.) Emru ========================== animation\/main #2119, from switch, 704 chars, Tue Jul 2 20:45:29 1991 This is a comment to message 2104. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– During my childhood in the ‘burbs, there was a show on PBS on Sunday mornings called Matinee at the Bijou. My whole family would pile into my parents’ room to watch this after eating breakfast (and watching Bullwinkle and My Favorite Martian). It had an old film (invariably black and white, from the thirties through to the late forties), complete with newsreel, serial, and cartoon shorts. My father would tell us about how that’s what movies were all about when he was young, and that was how I discovered such things as Betty Boop, the Marx brothers, Spy Smasher, and the like. I’ve often lamented the loss of the reels before feature films, remembering the magic of those Sunday mornings. Emru ========================== animation\/main #2120, from switch, 131 chars, Tue Jul 2 20:46:25 1991 This is a comment to message 2111. There are additional comments to message 2111. ————————– Ack! I’ll most likely be on the road, getting from my parents’ place to my apartment. Hopefully I’ll be able to make it… Emru ========================== animation\/main #2121, from adunkin, 30 chars, Tue Jul 2 21:04:15 1991 This is a comment to message 2111. ————————– Hoo-rah \ud83d\ude42 — Alan Dunkin ========================== animation\/main #2122, from dferg, 172 chars, Tue Jul 2 23:59:27 1991 This is a comment to message 2114. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Barb has it made actually… I have all those B&W Popeyes on Videotape from a local Kid’s show, which presented them with credits intact. Only missing a few. ::grin!:: ========================== animation\/main #2123, from jshook, 611 chars, Wed Jul 3 00:13:19 1991 This is a comment to message 2112. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– I think that one is called “A Dream Walking” ( o\/~ did you ever see a dream walking? o\/~ ). That is my favorite Popeye by far. There is something intense about that cartoon…almost everyone I have talked to about cartoons remembers that one. Must touch some kind of Freudian nerve…. Another unforgettable one is the Betty Boop where she goes down underground and Canb Calloway sings “Minnie the Moocher” to her. I remember as a kid wondering how I could manage to go down to whatever place that was. Later, when I heard my first Screamin’ Jay Hawkins record I knew exactly where it had been recorded. ========================== animation\/main #2124, from dferg, 121 chars, Wed Jul 3 03:11:40 1991 This is a comment to message 2123. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– BOTH of those are considered classics in the Genre.. ref: Maltin’s “Of Mice and Magic”. The Betty Boop is “Snow White”. ========================== animation\/main #2125, from bferg, 303 chars, Wed Jul 3 10:28:01 1991 This is a comment to message 2122. ————————– Yeah, having to get up early every Saturday morning was a chore sometimes for Doug, but generally, setting it up in advance worked well. All the copies are on Beta, which unfortuneately is fading out. ~\/o I,m Pop-eye the Sailor man…too too…I’m Pop-eye the Sailor man too too..o\/~ \ud83d\ude09 Barbara ========================== animation\/main #2126, from davemackey, 454 chars, Wed Jul 3 19:05:32 1991 ————————– TITLE: Simpsons art auction profiled in “People” A brief, one-page report on the recent auction of Simpsons art in “People” magazine this week reveals the youngest successful bidder to be a 9-year-old boy, whose parents put up the $4000 or so it took to purchase the cel set-up, which he plans to hang in his room. Hey, many kids have Simpsons posters in their room, but how many kids have Simpsons animation art? –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2127, from davemackey, 702 chars, Wed Jul 3 19:05:49 1991 ————————– TITLE: Recommended viewing for the Fourth Tomorrow is Independence Day. Selected cartoons for your viewing pleasure; some will undoubtedly show up on TNT tomorrow or Friday… Disney: “Ben And Me” (which will be shown on Disney Channel) Warner Bros.: “Old Glory,” “Yankee Doodle Bugs,” “Yankee Doodle Daffy” Lantz: “Hysterical Highspots In American History” Paramount: “Patriotic Popeye,” “The Story Of George Washington,” “Red White And Boo” DePatie-Freleng: “Pinky Doodle” or “Yankee Doodle Pink,” one or the other since the visuals are the same but the soundtracks are different; the cartoons were made in 1976 and 1978 respectively. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2128, from davemackey, 273 chars, Wed Jul 3 19:05:58 1991 This is a comment to message 2119. ————————– “Matinee At The Bijou” gave me my first exposure to the Van Beuren studio, whose films I had only heard of up to the time. The prints weren’t that great. The examples included “Ball Game” (1932) and Felix in “Bold King Cole” (1936). –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2129, from davemackey, 159 chars, Wed Jul 3 19:28:38 1991 This is a comment to message 2124. ————————– No, the Betty Boop that was referred to is “Minnie The Moocher.” “Snow White” features the song “St. James Infirmary.” –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2130, from bmaguire, 413 chars, Thu Jul 4 14:47:53 1991 This is a comment to message 2097. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– For what it’s worth, here’s my list: 1. Duck Amuck 2. Magical Maestro 3. One Froggy Evening 4. Get a Job (Brad Caslor) 5. Bully for Bugs 6. Ali Baba Bunny 7. Swing Shift Cinderella 8. Bad Luck Blackie 9. In the Pink of the Night 10. Snow White (Betty Boop) Of course, the Duck-Rabbit-Duck Trilogy and The Cat Came Back and about a dozen others also belong on the list… -Brian ========================== animation\/main #2131, from hmccracken, 2984 chars, Thu Jul 4 18:31:45 1991 This is a comment to message 2130. ————————– Any list of my top ten favorite cartoons is going to change almost moment by moment, but here’s a list of ten cartoons that I’ve loved since I first saw and always will, in no particular order: 1) _The Cookie Carnival_: I’m a sucker for Disney’s Silly Symphonies, and this one is a wonderfully ornate, charming fairy tale about a cookie-populated town’s beauty pageant. The pastel color scheme is unusually subtle for an animated cartoon, and I still find myself humming the dialogue (all of which is sung) from time to time. 2) _The Old Man of the Mountain_: Any one of several Betty Boop cartoons are candidates for my top-ten list, but this one has it all: great, weird gags, bizarre animation, and Cab Calloway singing in Rotoscoped form. 3) _The Hypochondri-Cat_: Not nearly as well known as many of Chuck Jones’s cartoons, but as funny as any of them. Claude Cat, a hypochondriac, is fooled by mice Hubie and Bertie into thinking he’s died and become an angel. Mel Blanc’s voicework is a hoot in and of itself. 4) _Little Rural Riding Hood_: Tex Avery’s funniest cartoon ever, the best of his several takes on the Little Red Riding Hood story. The City Wolf invites his Country Cousin out to a nightclub in the big city to see sexy Red Ridinghood. Hysterical from start to finish. 5) _Robin Hood Daffy_: This might be the best-designed Warner’s cartoon of them all; it’s certainly on a par with _What’s Opera, Doc?_. Great dialogue by Michael Maltese and Porky Pig in his best role ever as Friar Tuck. 6) _The Pointer_: _The Band Concert_ is always cited as Mickey Mouse’s best cartoon, but I like this one better. Mickey and Pluto go bear hunting, in a cartoon that’s as full of lavish art, great animation, and funny characterization as any Disney short. Walt Disney does a particularly good job as Mickey’s voice here. 7. _One Froggy Evening_: Yes, a third Chuck Jones cartoon What need one say? As Jay Cocks wrote, this comes as close to perfection as any cartoon ever has. Maybe as any comedy film of any sort ever has, come to think of it. 8. _Woodland Cafe_: Another Silly Symphony, this one concerning a nightclub operated and patronized by insects. Great jazz music and a priceless parody of modern dance that’s still potent and funny more that half a century later. 9.) _The Great Piggy Bank Robbery_: This Dick Tracy parody starring Daffy Duck is my favorite Bob Clampett cartoon… Fast, funny, full of great gags, and better timed than most of Clampett’s work. 10.) _The Zoot Cat_: Any one of a number of Tom and Jerry cartoons could go on this list, but this one, in which Tom dresses up as a zoot-suited hipster to impress his girl, is a particular favorite. As I say, ask me tomorrow and I may come up with ten entirely different cartoons. I’ve also limited the list to theatrical shorts — feature films like _Pinocchio_, _Snow Whitre_, _The Tghree Caballeros_, and _Fun and Fancy Free_ are high on my list of favorite films in general. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2132, from hmccracken, 956 chars, Thu Jul 4 18:38:30 1991 ————————– TITLE: A Visit With Shamus BIXen mscoville and me, and former-BIXen Tshim, paid a very pleasant visit to animator\/director Shamus Culhane at his New York home last Friday. For those who don’t know, Shamus has been in the business since 1964 and has worked for Disney, Fleischer, Van Beuren, Iwerks, Mintz, Lantz, Warner Bros., Paramount, his own studio, and elsewhere; recently, he’s written two books. As reported here some months ago, Shamus had had a bad fall in which he fractured his back; happily he’s back on his feet, and his mind and tongue are as sharp as ever. Mike Scoville will vouch that Shamus was full of hilarious, potent observations about the industry and many of the folks he’s worked with. Shamus is planning to move to Santa Fe before too long, but before he leaves New York permanently the Museum of Modern Art is going to have a tribute to him in November. It should be quite an event; I’ll post information as I get it. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2133, from sharonfisher, 157 chars, Fri Jul 5 19:55:56 1991 This is a comment to message 2100. ————————– “Winky” is an odd one. My friends enjoy watching the live-action part to look for sexual innuendo (my friends are an odd lot) and logical inconsistencies. ========================== animation\/main #2134, from switch, 118 chars, Sat Jul 6 12:11:43 1991 ————————– TITLE: The tally… …of the animation conference’s top ten funniest cartoons has been noted. Keep ’em coming! Emru ========================== animation\/main #2135, from hmccracken, 412 chars, Mon Jul 15 11:56:11 1991 ————————– TITLE: Remember, folks, there is an Animation CBIX this Tuesday and every Tuesday at 10:00 pm. EDT. Please drop in and join the conversation, which is at least vaguely centered on comics and animation, but often gets into other related and not-so-related areas. We have a great group of faithful participants, but the more the merrier, so those of you who haven’t visited yet are especially welcome… — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2136, from switch, 2049 chars, Mon Jul 15 16:24:56 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: Phew Rough weekend. I think my eyes are permanently damaged \ud83d\ude42 Saturday night, I went to see the Top Ten Funniest Hollywood Cartoons Of All Time, which were, in descending order: 1. One Froggy Evening 2. Bad Luck Blackie 3. Duck Amuck 4. Red Hot Riding Hood 5. Bear For Punishment 6. Birds Anonymous 7. The Great Piggy Bank Robbery 8. Quiet Please 9. King Size Canary 10. The Clock Cleaners However, as it was opening night (and our tickets cost $3 more), they also showed the six runners-up: Blackboard Jungle, Magical Maestro, Northwest Hounded Police, Little Rural Riding Hood, Deputy Droopy, and Hockey Homicide. I found a number of the runners-up funnier than the top ten, but who am I to argue with Martin Scorsese, Joe Dante, Paul Fusco, Chuck Jones, Mike Lah, Shamus Culhane, Cordell Barker, Richard Williams, Darrell Van Citters and the rest of the folks who decided on this list? Steven Paul Leiva hosted the show, and played an audio recording of Chuck Jones (who couldn’t make it) talking about his admiration for Tex Avery. The next day, a friend invited me to his place, and we watched some stuff that I’d bought on video over the last few months but hadn’t had the opportunity to watch. There was some Warner (Wackiki Rabbit, Case of the Missing Hare, The Unruly Hare, Falling Hare, The Wabbit Who Came To Supper, Fresh Hare), Superman (Metal Monsters, Mad Scientist, The Mummy Strikes, Eleventh Hour), Casper (There’s Good Boos To-Night), and Popeye (Cookin’ With Gags). After that we went directly to the Ouimetoscope, where Robert del Tredici, a friend and my former History of Animated Film teacher was screening some of his collection: they were Pigs in a Polka, A Wild Hare, The Daffy Doc, Duck Dodgers in the 24 1\/2 Century, Dover Boys at Pimento U., Wild and Woolfy, Porky’s Romance, Johann Mouse, Rabbit Seasoning, Snow White, Little Rural Riding Hood, and Little Tinkretnker. So now I’m burned out from watching screens incessantly and eating nothing but popcorn all weekend… but I enjoyed it \ud83d\ude09 Emru ========================== animation\/main #2137, from hmccracken, 390 chars, Mon Jul 15 17:44:05 1991 This is a comment to message 2136. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 2136. ————————– Sounds like a dynamite show; sorry I missed it. I may have to re-create it on video. Here’s a piece of trivia: way back when, circa 1985, Animato put on a film show called “The Funniest Cartoons of All Time” at Harvard. (We put on film shows back then — it was a lot of fun, but hard work.) I don’t recall the exact list of cartoons we showed, but I may be able to dig it up. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2138, from sharonfisher, 289 chars, Mon Jul 15 17:46:09 1991 ————————– TITLE: Chuck Jones in SF? I’ve only seen this mentioned in a weekly shopper paper, oddly enough, but it says that Chuck Jones will appear with an exhibition of his work on Wednesday at the Owl Gallery, 465 Powell. No time given. Phone is (415) 781-5464. Anybody know anything about it? ========================== animation\/main #2139, from hmccracken, 609 chars, Mon Jul 15 17:53:42 1991 ————————– TITLE: Check out the arts section of yesterday’s _New York Times_ for a nifty article about some of the oddball artists who have come out of the Pacific Northwest. Many of the ones mentioned are cartoon- or comic-related — Gary Larson, Matt Groening., Lynda Barry, and others. The article is chock-full of interesting information, but the tidbit I liked best was the fact that the Jacksonville, Ore. public library has a Pinto Colvig room, devoted to its famous son (who grew up to be the voice of Goofy). As someone who spent his formative years in Portland, I found the whole article inspiring. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2140, from elfhive, 326 chars, Mon Jul 15 19:20:29 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: Bugs on Broadway shadow and I have tickets for the “Bugs on Broadway” show at Wolf Trap this Wednesday. I’m looking forward to the experience of seeing WB cartoons with a live orchestra. Apparently this show just finished playing in New York. It is only here one night. Anyone else here seen this particular road show? ========================== animation\/main #2141, from hmccracken, 278 chars, Mon Jul 15 21:06:49 1991 This is a comment to message 2140. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 2140. ————————– Yes, indeedy, Elfhive. BIXen Davemackey, mscoville, and I have all seen and enjoyed the show. Do a search broadway in this topic and, I believe, in \/inkwell for some of our comments on this highly unusual, flawed but interesting experiment in animation and theatrics. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2142, from davemackey, 423 chars, Mon Jul 15 22:01:25 1991 This is a comment to message 2140. There are additional comments to message 2140. ————————– You let me know how it goes: I have tix for this Sunday’s show at the Garden State Arts Center; will definitely post a report. But I saw it on Broadway last October (I still carry the ticket stub in my wallet) and found it good… with some reservations. (Some of those earlier messages are still up here someplace.) Hope they’ve ironed out some of those (pardon the pun) bugs. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2143, from davemackey, 160 chars, Mon Jul 15 22:05:43 1991 This is a comment to message 2141. ————————– The major reportage on the original Broadway version of “Bugs Bunny On Broadway” begins in animation\/long.messages #22. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2144, from switch, 119 chars, Mon Jul 15 22:28:10 1991 This is a comment to message 2137. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– So what did you show then as the Funniest Cartoons Of All Time? And how does it compare to your current top ten? Emru ========================== animation\/main #2145, from hmccracken, 442 chars, Tue Jul 16 09:17:50 1991 This is a comment to message 2144. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– I’ll have to find the exact list, but I remember we showed _The Band Concert_ among other cartoons. In actuality, the show was less _The Funniest Cartoons of All Time_ than _Some Cartoons, Most of Them Fairly Amusing, That We Could Either Rent Or Borrow For the Show_. We had learned the hard way — through a show of _The Best of Tex Avery_ — that cartoon programs that don’t sound immediately appealing to the layman are risky. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2146, from richard.pini, 684 chars, Tue Jul 16 09:53:40 1991 ————————– TITLE: Oh my gawwwwdddddd…. I managed to wrangle a copy of the Streamline Pictures promo videotape from Carl Macek at the San Diego Comic Con, and just last night had the chance to take a look at it. Mostly it contains previews for several Japanese anime films, but what I was looking for – what I’d gotten the tape for, actually – showed up almost at the end. “Colonel Bleep’s Arrival on Earth.” I had no idea it was possible for a (T minus 3 days and counting) 41-year-old to regress that far that fast. The animation was almost non-existent, but I had completely forgotten how “fifties-inspired” the design of the show was. And in color, too! “Stand by for…adventure!!” Yowza! ========================== animation\/main #2147, from davemackey, 221 chars, Tue Jul 16 12:54:27 1991 This is a comment to message 2140. ————————– Incidentally, “Bugs Bunny On Broadway” will be playing this Saturday (July 20) in Philadelphia at the Mann Music Center. Tickets for this show may be had by calling (215) 336-2000. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2148, from davemackey, 683 chars, Tue Jul 16 12:54:43 1991 This is a comment to message 2136. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 2136. ————————– Nice lists, but I thank you for letting us know who picked these shorts. It adequately explains how “Blackboard Jumble” got on the list — one of Michael Lah’s rather undistingished late-50’s CinemaScope Droopy cartoons. I can’t argue with any of the other choices. All of the names on the selection board sound familiar to me (Paul Fusco, for the unhip, was the creator, puppeteer and voice of ALF), except for Cordell Barker. Who is he? Steven Paul Leiva, by the way, is President of Chuck Jones Productions, the newly-formed subsidiary of Chuck Jones Enterprises; the third partner in the company is Chuck’s daughter Linda Jones. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2149, from hmccracken, 153 chars, Tue Jul 16 15:24:45 1991 This is a comment to message 2148. There are additional comments to message 2148. ————————– Cordell Barker, unless I miss my mark, is the fine and funny (Canadian?) animator whose films include the Oscar-nominated _The Cat Came Back_. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2150, from switch, 111 chars, Thu Jul 18 09:57:19 1991 This is a comment to message 2145. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Kinda funny since a “Best of Tex Avery” show was held here a few months ago, and the place was *packed*. Emru ========================== animation\/main #2151, from switch, 327 chars, Thu Jul 18 10:00:32 1991 This is a comment to message 2148. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Cordell Baker works at the National Film Board of Canada in Manitoba, and directed _The Cat Came Back_. Other people on the committee were Rebecca Rees, Kelly Asbury, John Musker, Michael Giaimo, Mark Kausler, Jay Cocks, Stefan Kanfer, Tom Shales, John Canemaker, Tom Kenny, Richard Belzer, Robin Budd, and Brad Caslor. Emru ========================== animation\/main #2152, from switch, 1615 chars, Thu Jul 18 10:06:23 1991 ————————– TITLE: More Top Tens To kick this off, here are my top ten funniest cartoons, chosen off the top of my head and probably different if I’m asked the same question in a few weeks: 1. Rabbit Seasoning 2. One Froggy Evening 3. Duck Amuck 4. Duck! Rabbit, Duck! 5. Swing Shift Cinderella 6. Hillbilly Hare 7. Dover Boys at Pimento U. 8. Robin Hood Daffy 9. Hare-Way To The Stars 10. Pigs In a Polka Considering I got to see most of these over the weekend, there may be a bit of a skew. \ud83d\ude09 As for the top ten of the animation conference, I had to play a bit to get anything useful. Since there weren’t that many people who participated and a wide range of opinions, I skewed the vote by making the #1 cartoon on someone’s list worth five points, #2 worth four, #3 worth three, #4 worth two, and the rest worth one. This bit of statistical fudging led to this list: 8. Ali Baba Bunny, Bad Luck Blackie, Batty Baseball, Bully For Bugs, Hare-Way To The Stars, Hillbilly Hare, Hockey Homicide, In the Pink of the Night, Moving Aweigh, Pigs In a Polka, Snow White, Something’s Cookin’, The Great Piggy Bank Robbery, The Pointer, The Zoot Cat, Woodland Cafe 7. Get a Job, Little Rural Riding Hood, Robin Hood Daffy, Swing Shift Cinderella 6. Chew Chew Baby, The Dover Boys, The Hypochondri-Cat 5. Buccaneer Bunny, Lost and Foundry, Magical Maestro, The Old Man of the Mountain, Who’s Cookin’ Who 4. A Dream Walking, Duck! Rabbit, Duck!, Pink Campaign, The Cookie Carnival 3. Rabbit Seasoning 2. Duck Amuck And the animation conference’s funniest cartoon comes as almost no surprise: 1. One Froggy Evening Emru ========================== animation\/main #2153, from bferg, 562 chars, Thu Jul 18 10:28:46 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: Hats off to Education I was just thinking today, I remember when I was in elementary school, our princi’pal’ would reserve Friday afternoon about every two weeks or so, to show Warner Brothers Cartoons to everyone in the auditorium. They would charge 10cents to get in and would run several toons. I thought it was fun, seeing cartoons at school! I think that the principal knew that on Friday afternoon before the weekend, perhaps very little class- room learning went on simply ’cause everyone had their minds on “getting otta there!” \ud83d\ude09 Barbara ========================== animation\/main #2154, from davemackey, 377 chars, Thu Jul 18 19:27:53 1991 This is a comment to message 2153. There are additional comments to message 2153. ————————– Now the only time we were allowed the “old-time” cartoons was when those in Audio-Visual Aids were allowed to select one film out of the film catalogue and show it for their own pleasure near the end of the year. Most of the rest of the time the only animation we got were those educational classics everyone’s seen over and over again. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2155, from hmccracken, 160 chars, Thu Jul 18 19:32:19 1991 This is a comment to message 2150. ————————– That may be an indication that Tex’s legacy has grown better-known in the past five or six years, since the unsuccessful _Animato_ show of that name. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2156, from hmccracken, 507 chars, Thu Jul 18 19:35:38 1991 This is a comment to message 2153. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Barbara, I know a high-school English teacher in New York who uses animation and cartoons to a degree that even I find a little startling. He uses _Animato_ magazine as a teaching aid and even assigned everybody in the class to send _Animato_ a letter listing their top ten favorite cartoons as part of their final assignment! I won’t post all 75 top-ten lists from the class, but will list the class totals, as provided by the teacher, Tim Smith. I have them at home and will post them tonight. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2157, from bferg, 69 chars, Thu Jul 18 20:43:28 1991 This is a comment to message 2156. ————————– Very interesting, indeed! There is hope for education! \ud83d\ude09 Barbara ========================== animation\/main #2158, from davemackey, 275 chars, Fri Jul 19 19:03:35 1991 ————————– TITLE: H-B changing (three-fingered) hands? MCA Inc. is apparently in negotiations to buy Hanna-Barbera Productions. Great American Communications’ asking price for the 34-year-old cartoon studio is in the $350-400 million range. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2159, from davemackey, 200 chars, Fri Jul 19 19:03:45 1991 This is a comment to message 2151. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Speaking of, artwork from Cordell Barker’s “The Cat Came Back” is featured on the cover of the Summer Whole Toon Catalogue, which I received in the mail today. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2160, from elfhive, 188 chars, Sun Jul 21 12:51:56 1991 This is a comment to message 2159. ————————– Did you catch the little blurb on directions of how to get to their retail showroom? I loved the part about going to the Burger King and calling them to be “talked in” if you got lost \ud83d\ude42 ========================== animation\/main #2161, from davemackey, 338 chars, Sun Jul 21 12:52:04 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: Animation art collecting in TV Guide The current issue of TV Guide has an article about animation art collecting. Quoted throughout the article is Joshua Arfer, head of the animation department at Christie’s East. Among the illustrations is that Snow White cel I wanted so badly. (sob) –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2162, from richard.pini, 241 chars, Sun Jul 21 13:35:33 1991 This is a comment to message 2161. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Don’t feel bad, Dave. If you and I and 2-300 of our good friends had shown up, *then* we could have pooled resources and gone up against Russ Cochran and the other hitters who also wanted it… \ud83d\ude09 On second thought, maybe 2-3000 of them… ========================== animation\/main #2163, from davemackey, 93 chars, Mon Jul 22 07:50:50 1991 This is a comment to message 2162. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– I don’t know if we have 2-300 friends between us! \ud83d\ude09 –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2164, from davemackey, 2270 chars, Mon Jul 22 07:51:41 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: Bugs on Broadway revisited Disclaimer: this is not a review, and I steadfastly promise not to use the phrase “rabbit redux” in it. \ud83d\ude09 Bugs Bunny has taken his act on the road, but he still needs to do a slightly better job of getting it together. The evidence: the “Bugs Bunny On Broadway” performance at the Garden State Arts Center on Sunday, July 21, attended by yours truly as well as our old friend Thomas Shim. While most of the show remains unchanged from its Gershwin Theatre appearance, there was more of “Jumpin’ Jupiter” played (still not all of it — the music when Porky wakes up the next morning is missing) and an added cartoon-sans-music presentation not listed in the program, the uproarious “One Froggy Evening.” (Thus making it even more clear that Jones is Mr. Daugherty’s primary influence over this show; Jones in fact was supposed to be at the GSAC performance but was explained away due to the 100-degree heat most of the Tri-State Area has been suffering the past week or so.) Cartoons are still presented via video projection; I myself found the screen a little too small and had trouble seeing it due to admittedly shaky night vision. A few minor synch problems; I suspect Daugherty is just traveling with section principals and using members of local orchestras to fill out the group for economic and logistical reasons. Nevertheless, the total sound is still excellent. Major annoyance: the house could hear the click track. This series of ticks is only supposed to be heard by Daugherty and section principals through headsets. But it came through loud and clear through the speakers used for voices and sound effects. Yet, the unwashed continued to savor this show. I had wondered how Bugs would play for a less cosmopolitan audience than at its Broadway engagement. The answer is that everyone loves Bugs, still continues to do so. And I laughed a good portion of the evening. In closing, would the Arts Center management make a mental note to themselves to never hire that obnoxious stand-up comic who opened the show, and to also give him a ticket to next Wednesday’s Howie Mandel\/Dennis Miller show so he can see what comedians are supposed to do to an audience. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2165, from hmccracken, 440 chars, Mon Jul 22 11:09:25 1991 ————————– TITLE: If at first you don’t succeed… Tomorrow at 10pm EDT, we’ll be having our weekly animation CBIX, assuming that BIX is a bit more stable than it was last week at that time. We’ll doubtless be discussing the plans to release _Fantasia_ on video and produce a theatrical sequel, among other things; I’ll re-extend the special invitation to those of you who haven’t dropped in as of yet to stop by! It’s always a lot of fun. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2166, from adunkin, 266 chars, Mon Jul 22 20:35:20 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: Who was the person Who wanted the stuff from rec.arts.anime ?? I’ll send it to you by BIXMail and attach it … I don’t think I can make the CBix tomorrow, since I’ll be at ibm.exchange with the author of the _Zen of Assembly Language_ .. — Alan Dunkin ========================== animation\/main #2167, from richard.pini, 87 chars, Mon Jul 22 21:15:27 1991 This is a comment to message 2163. ————————– Well, if *that’s* how you think..! ::huff!:: (Oh well, there goes another one…) \ud83d\ude09 ========================== animation\/main #2168, from hmccracken, 138 chars, Tue Jul 23 09:08:02 1991 This is a comment to message 2166. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 2166. ————————– Gee, Alan, tonight’s CBIX is extra special for you and me, since the Rangers and Sox will be playing each other during it… \ud83d\ude09 — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2169, from elfhive, 348 chars, Tue Jul 23 11:24:05 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: Liquid Television Just reading about this scheduled half hour animation show on MTV in Animation Magazine. Looks very interesting and provides an unusual opportunity to see independent production on the tube. The only thing they left out was information about when the show runs. Is it already airing and what day\/time is it scheduled in? ========================== animation\/main #2170, from davemackey, 464 chars, Tue Jul 23 19:09:10 1991 This is a comment to message 2164. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Apparently, the click track being audible was also a problem in Philadelphia. The review in the Philadelphia Inquirer thinks the show should have had less bugs (technical) and more Bugs (Bunny). In Philly they also had a bad standup precede the show. During his act people started chanting “Leopold” (as in “Long Haired Hare”) and then “WE WANT BUGS.” Isn’t there anything Warner Bros. can do about unsuitable opening acts? –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2171, from adunkin, 77 chars, Tue Jul 23 21:13:49 1991 This is a comment to message 2168. ————————– Haha …. too bad I probably won’t be able to make it … — Alan Dunkin ========================== animation\/main #2172, from mstoodt, 258 chars, Tue Jul 23 22:21:26 1991 This is a comment to message 2169. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 2169. ————————– MTV’s already gone through all of their Liquid Television episodes and have rerun the first three. 7:30 pm and midnight sundays (eastern); I think they do another showing during the week sometime, but I’m not sure when that is currently. MaS ========================== animation\/main #2173, from adunkin, 91 chars, Tue Jul 23 23:30:14 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: What happened? The Animation CBix is already closed? Sheesh … — Alan Dunkin ========================== animation\/main #2174, from sorourke, 90 chars, Wed Jul 24 00:54:15 1991 This is a comment to message 2172. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– The other showing is at 7 EST (I think) on Friday. Check your local listings. \ud83d\ude42 Sean ========================== animation\/main #2175, from hmccracken, 160 chars, Wed Jul 24 09:18:28 1991 This is a comment to message 2173. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Sorry, Alan; it was a short one last night. I was able to sign off and sit down by the radio and listen to the Red Sox get beat by the Rangers… \ud83d\ude41 — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2176, from davemackey, 431 chars, Wed Jul 24 21:01:52 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: Disney architecture in Time Time this week has a photo feature about some of the noted architects Disney has been using to design various components (hotels, etc.) of its resorts. It notes that Disney is one of the primary patrons of these artisans of the late 20th century and the total effect is less chintzy and more tasteful than what you would expect from any Disney enterprise. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2177, from adunkin, 70 chars, Wed Jul 24 23:12:52 1991 This is a comment to message 2175. ————————– Heheh … they are down now … top of the 9th … — Alan Dunkin ========================== animation\/main #2178, from hmccracken, 352 chars, Thu Jul 25 12:09:47 1991 This is a comment to message 2176. ————————– I found that article sort of dubious…Now, I *like* a lot of the Disney architecture that it illustrates, but tasteful-by-most-people’s- standards it ain’t. Really, the jump from something like Disneyland’s Main Street U.S.A. to Disney’s new hotels and other buildings is not a large one, even if the new stuff is done by famous architects. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2179, from elfhive, 91 chars, Thu Jul 25 18:02:11 1991 This is a comment to message 2174. ————————– That’s just it, I went through the TV Guide and Cable Guide and found no listings for MTV. ========================== animation\/main #2180, from switch, 114 chars, Thu Jul 25 18:21:33 1991 This is a comment to message 2166. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– That was me. Still no word on getting a UUCP link, so we may have to do it the hard way for a short while. Emru ========================== animation\/main #2181, from adunkin, 126 chars, Thu Jul 25 22:03:45 1991 This is a comment to message 2180. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– How about if I mail you the stuff I’ve got now … it’s all ZIPed. A lot of it is synopsis’s of Nadia … — Alan Dunkin ========================== animation\/main #2182, from hmccracken, 883 chars, Fri Jul 26 09:17:18 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: _Whole Toon Catalog_ I was just about to call Doug Ranney at the Whole Toon Catalog and ask if I had been somehow dropped from their mailing list yesterday when my copy of the Catalog showed up in the mail. It hadn’t been that long since other people hsd told me that their copies had started coming, but this isn’t the sort of thing you take chances with. The Whole Toon Catalog has been mentioned countless times here before, but for newcomers, it’s a fantastic 80 page compedium of animation related books, videotapes, posters, and other goodies. If it relates to animation, you’ll likely find it here. If you’re like me, you’ll probably place a large order from time to time, too. (Doug, I’ll be calling soon!) If you’re by some chance not on the WTC mailing list, call them at (206) 391-8747 to rectify the situation. Nicely done as always, Doug. Take a bow! — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2183, from switch, 31 chars, Fri Jul 26 21:44:02 1991 This is a comment to message 2181. ————————– Sounds fine. Go fer it! Emru ========================== animation\/main #2184, from davemackey, 252 chars, Sat Jul 27 02:24:35 1991 ————————– TITLE: 51 and counting It’s funny about 51st birthdays. They don’t quite get the publicity and fanfare that 50th birthdays do. Nevertheless, let’s all join in wishing Bugs Bunny a happy 51st birthday today. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2185, from amasin, 125 chars, Sun Jul 28 20:49:59 1991 This is a comment to message 2169. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Try 7:30 edt on Sundays. MTV also promotes a midnite Sunday rerun, and runs it 7:30 Friday, if I remember right. Andy Masin ========================== animation\/main #2186, from davemackey, 1078 chars, Mon Jul 29 00:49:03 1991 This is a comment to message 2170. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– !========= sf\/media #7367, from akarna, 990 chars, Sun Jul 28 20:45:33 1991 ———- I don’t think this is the right topic for this, but I can’t think of any other place . . . Recently, I saw the “Bugs Bunny on Broadway” show (cartoons shown with a live orchestra doing the music). It occurred to me that there was all this controversy last year about that (IMHO, silly) Madonna video: one of the big reasons for its controversy was all that cross-dressing. Well, consider some of those old cartoons . . . In “Rabbit of Seville”, we have one moment where Bugs dresses like a woman and seduces Elmer (“Oooh, just wait till I get that rabbit” “What you you want with that rabbit? Can’t you see that I’m much sweeta’? I’m your little senorita etc.”). Later, Bugs presents Elmer with flowers and a ring, and Elmer appears in a wedding dress. Shocking. Of course, in “What’s Opera Doc?”, we have Bugs dressed as a woman, in a particularly scimpy outfit (“Oh Bwuunhilde, you’re so lovely”). What is this world coming to? (for those that hven’t guessed: \ud83d\ude09 ) ========================== animation\/main #2187, from elfhive, 8 chars, Mon Jul 29 20:39:32 1991 This is a comment to message 2186. ————————– an end? ========================== animation\/main #2188, from elfhive, 869 chars, Mon Jul 29 20:45:46 1991 This is a comment to message 2185. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Finally found where they listed MTV in TV Guide. Those funny table thingies that show only the “evening” programs. This week they showed Liquid TV starting at 7:00pm (sorry that should be last week) but it actuall did start at 7:30pm. I found most of the animation to be out of the same philosophical mold and not too funny — not that it has to be. The Art School Girls was particularly uninspired and the psychotrauma postcards weren’t much better. In fact, not much of the half hour remains in my mind. Being a converted anime fanatic, I remember Aeon Flux but I can’t say that it will make a strong Peter Chung admirer out of me. I think this is a case where the program suffers from too heavy a directorial hand, it is a bit pretentious and too much in one mold. MTV would do better to invest in a wider-ranging exploration of material that is already out there. ========================== animation\/main #2189, from hmccracken, 124 chars, Tue Jul 30 09:51:37 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: By popular demand, we’re trying out an early, 8:00pm EDT animation CBIX tonight. Stop in and join the fun! — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2190, from davemackey, 745 chars, Tue Jul 30 19:05:24 1991 ————————– TITLE: Put that in your p—- and smoke it Interesting item in Richard Johnson’s gossip column in today’s New York Daily News. Performance artist\/actress\/singer Ann Magnuson and her group Bongwater have commissioned a music video from Broadcast Arts for the first single and title cut from their album “Power Of P—-.” The video, animated by Glen Claybrook, is said to be in a Betty Boop style with various body parts cavorting about, and that the video has been submitted to MTV despite the fact that it probably won’t air. Johnson points out the coincidence that Broadcast Arts was the producer of “Pee-wee’s Playhouse,” in light of Mr. Reuben’s difficulties with the law on similar grounds. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2191, from davemackey, 488 chars, Tue Jul 30 19:05:39 1991 ————————– TITLE: Sidebar on the H-B sale… I can’t vouch for the validity of this figure, but “Electronic Media” in an article on the proposed sale of Hanna-Barbera studios to anyone who wants to buy it cites that the Worldvision library of inventory is comprised of 6,500 half-hours of programming. Whosoever purchases the studio will also purchase a hefty financial interest in the Cuckoo’s Nest Studio, a well-known Eastern animation subcontractor. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2192, from switch, 168 chars, Tue Jul 30 19:25:44 1991 This is a comment to message 2188. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Being in MTV-starved Quebec, I haven’t seen any of Liquid TV, but I’m told it’s had some other, lighter material such as Bill Plympton’s 25 Ways To Quit Smoking. Emru ========================== animation\/main #2193, from sje, 155 chars, Thu Aug 1 06:47:00 1991 This is a comment to message 2189. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Sorry I missed. The first residence move I’ve made in seven years is currently in progress and I don’t have much time for BIX in the interim. — Steve ========================== animation\/main #2194, from hmccracken, 112 chars, Thu Aug 1 08:58:43 1991 This is a comment to message 2193. ————————– No problem, Steve. The turnout was small (*very* small), but as usual a pleasant time was had by all. — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2195, from elfhive, 411 chars, Thu Aug 1 12:03:21 1991 This is a comment to message 2192. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 2192. ————————– I saw that particular Plympton film as part of an animation reel. I can’t remember if it was one of the Tournees. Working at Action on Smoking and Health, that film had me in stitches. I would like to get a copy to show at the office, but I have not seen it on any available Tournee video or in the Whole Toon Catalog offerings. Does anyone know of its availability? Plympton has enough stuff for his own reel. ========================== animation\/main #2196, from switch, 165 chars, Thu Aug 1 19:54:36 1991 This is a comment to message 2195. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– Quite a few of Expanded Entertainment’s packages are available on video either from them or from mail-order companies (including, I think, Whole Toon Access). Emru ========================== animation\/main #2197, from elfhive, 425 chars, Fri Aug 2 16:58:53 1991 This is a comment to message 2196. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– I have the only three International Tournee videos available at the moment. I must assume then that Plympton’s “25 ways” is either not out yet or wasn’t selected for inclusion in the video. I don’t recall which edition of the Tournee I saw it in but it was recent: in the last two years. If you find out on what video I can locate it, please let me know. P.S. I also have vol 1 of Outrageous Animation. Love _Instant Sex_! ========================== animation\/main #2198, from hmccracken, 316 chars, Fri Aug 2 18:11:11 1991 This is a comment to message 2197. ————————– I think that the Expanded Entertainment videos often have different line-ups than the theatrical shows, due to copyright issues. It’s possible that Plympton stuff which has been shown in theaters isn’t available on video. In any event, the time is definitely past due for a whole tape of Plympton stuff… — Harry ========================== animation\/main #2199, from davemackey, 948 chars, Mon Aug 5 00:44:25 1991 This is a comment to message 2192. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– I finally got to see a little more of “Liquid Television,” having gotten over the small block resulting from the first program coinciding with the weekend of my father’s death. I really liked this episode’s Plympton, “Push Comes To Shove,” where the two guys torture each other. Even working in a neo-style, he understands a main discipline of the animated cartoon, Hollywood-style: no matter what you do to someone, nobody ever really gets hurt. The gag with the rock-on-a-rope threaded through the guys facial cavities is a funny variation of this classic Hollywood cartoon gag: a rope would be strung through the house, tied to the sleeping dog, then the other end attached to a car or a rock or something equally propulsive. (Hey, he even keeps the characters moving when they’re standing still like Fleischer did in the early 30’s, and you gotta love that.) [Tinar] –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2200, from elfhive, 411 chars, Mon Aug 5 16:51:05 1991 This is a comment to message 2199. There is\/are comment(s) on this message. There are additional comments to message 2199. ————————– Is Plympton’s stuff the “Stick Figure” playhouse? I don’t have the Animation article handy and can’t refer to it. I like that particular production. It’s use of old film soundtracks or music tracks is quite clever. After a second screening of Liquid Television I seem to be confirming my feelings that most of it is boring and seems to want to elevate gore and gruesomeness to heights which I find too trendy. ========================== animation\/main #2201, from davemackey, 178 chars, Mon Aug 5 19:20:49 1991 This is a comment to message 2200. ————————– Bill Plympton’s style seems to be colored pencils\/pastels on paper. Highly unusual but striking. I don’t know who does the stick figures. –Dave ========================== animation\/main #2202, from paulr, 301 chars, Mon Aug 5 21:29:25 1991 There is\/are comment(s) on this message. ————————– TITLE: Hey Guys – That CBIX in on Tuesday, right? It conflicts square out with the W&P CBIX, which promises to be *really* good. ANy chance of moving it a bit earlier or later? Or if not this week, then in the future? -Paul P.S> Wednesdays are bad too- Mac.Hack CBIX takes up a lot of time. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2203, from hmccracken, 392 chars, Tue Aug 6 09:42:14 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2202.
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\nIt’s too late to move it tonight, Paul (please check in when your
\nother CBIX is over, since we sometimes hang around for awhile).
\nFor future CBIXes, though, we’re highly adjustable. In fact,
\nI’ll open the floor for discussion: anybody else out there
\nwant a different day\/time for the animation CBIX. I know
\nof at least one BIXen who has requested that it be held
\nearlier than 10pm.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2204, from davemackey, 360 chars, Thu Aug 8 19:37:31 1991
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\nTITLE: At least there’s still a Barbera there
\nJayne Barbera, daughter of Joe, recently promoted to senior vice president of
\ntelevision production at Hanna-Barbera. Ms. Barbera has held various
\npositions with the company over the past 20 years or so. She and brother Neal
\nhave helped keep the family name in the company.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2205, from hkenner, 41 chars, Sun Aug 11 18:52:09 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2136.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nAnd what happened to What’s Opera, Doc??<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2206, from switch, 291 chars, Sun Aug 11 18:57:16 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2205.
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\nGood question. Of course, this is a problem with only showing
\nthe ten funniest cartoons instead of, say, twenty (or thirty or
\nforty or…); there are quite a few cartoons which I think are
\njust as funny as each other, such as the three Daffy-Elmer-Bugs
\nclassics and What’s Opera Doc.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2207, from hkenner, 28 chars, Sun Aug 11 19:00:07 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2182.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nAND WHERE’S MINE ????<\/p>\n

–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2208, from switch, 47 chars, Sun Aug 11 21:47:10 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2207.
\nThere are additional comments to message 2207.
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\nMind is still absent as well. Doug? \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2209, from hmccracken, 224 chars, Mon Aug 12 09:40:10 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2207.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nDoes Whole Toon know that you moved, Hugh? The catalog is sent
\nout in a mass mailing, so copies don’t get forwarded (indeed,
\nthe post office offers no promise that they’ll get to their
\nintended recipients at all).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2210, from hkenner, 128 chars, Mon Aug 12 10:50:08 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2209.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nMaybe they don’t know I’ve moved, though I *thought* I’d notified
\nthem. Wasn’t Mr Whole Toon himself on BIX a while back?
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2211, from hmccracken, 293 chars, Mon Aug 12 11:45:52 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2210.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nBIXen drtoon is Doug Ranney, the man behind the Whole Toon Catalog.
\nHe hasn’t been on in about a month — I know that things get *very*
\nbusy for him when a new catalog comes out, which probably explains
\nhis absence. When I call to place an order, as I wil soon, I’ll
\nask what’s up.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2212, from rjenks, 218 chars, Sat Aug 17 20:42:24 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2211.
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\nHmm… this reminds me that I found about 50-75 Whole Toon Catalogs sitting
\nunder a table (abandoned) at Project A-Kon II. Wonder if it’s worth sending
\nthem back… Also makes me wonder who brought them…<\/p>\n

-Robert<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2213, from sje, 1047 chars, Sun Aug 18 19:45:44 1991
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: _The Secret of NIMH_<\/p>\n

I finally got around to seeing this film for the first time and I am
\nsorry that I waited so long (nine years!) to view it. I have seen other
\nexamples of Don Bluth’s work, and this 1982 film is clearly the best. I am
\nglad the the Disney Channel has no grudges against Bluth’s departure and so
\nallow his efforts to be accessible via a national cable channel. Certainly
\nno other channels have much interest in feature length animation.<\/p>\n

Even only a few minutes into the picture it is obvious that a great
\ndeal of effort went into character design details. The overall style is
\nsomewhat similar to Bluth’s earlier work seen in Disney’s _Robin Hood_. The
\nfluidity and expressivity in the Mrs. Brisby character is quite impressive;
\nalso, the hands\/claws of Nicodemus must have taken a lot of work.<\/p>\n

The backround misic is somewhat understated, and there is only one
\nsong that is heard. However, that song “Flying Dreams”, is done very well
\nand the melody lingers in one’s mind long after the film is over. — Steve<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2214, from hmccracken, 736 chars, Mon Aug 19 10:47:25 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2213.
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\nI don’t think there’s any doubt that _The Secret of NIMH_ was
\nDon Bluth’s finest moment — his best film, made to look even
\nbetter by comparison to what Disney was doing at the time.
\nIt is an extremely slick little film considering the budget,
\nand while I could make a million criticisms (the storytelling
\nisn’t very strong; Mrs. Brisby is whiny and unsympathetic),
\nit was a pretty impressive debut.<\/p>\n

Unfortunately, Bluth has been moving in the wrong direction
\never since, and his most recently-released film, _All Dogs
\nGo to Heaven_, has all of _NIMH’s_ flaws and none of its
\nvirtues. I’ve heard more than one person say that Bluth’s
\nnext film, _Rock-a-Doodle_, is his best since _NIMH_,
\nso there may be reason for optimism.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2215, from hmccracken, 368 chars, Thu Aug 22 14:42:42 1991
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\nTITLE: Check out the current _Entertainment Weekly_ for an interesting
\narticle on Betty Lou Gerson, the actress who performed the voice
\nof Cruella DeVil in _101 Dalmatio — er, _101 Dalmatians_. She’s
\nalive and well and operating a telephone answering service in Hollywood,
\nand posed for a couple of pictures gotten up as Cruella and draped
\nwith dalmatians.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2216, from davemackey, 247 chars, Fri Aug 23 20:38:52 1991
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\nTITLE: Happy belated birthday
\nWednesday was Friz Freleng’s 85th birthday. Happy belated birthday wishes are
\nin order (tempered by our eternal gratitude for all those Looney Tunes and
\nPink Panther cartoons).
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2218, from dcolton, 159 chars, Sat Aug 24 21:40:09 1991
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\nPardon the non-sequitor. Someone recommended the MS-DOS
\nBugs Bunny Cartoon Workshop by Hi-Tech. Any users who could
\nprovide some insight into the software?
\n\/<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2219, from switch, 254 chars, Sat Aug 24 23:42:21 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2218.
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\nSomeone described this on FidoNet. It bears some resemblance
\nto Professional Page’s ComicSetter, apparently, in that it lets
\nyou make your own comic strips, using Warner characters and sound
\neffects. I don’t believe there’s any animation per se.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2220, from dcolton, 27 chars, Sun Aug 25 00:22:34 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2219.
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\nHmm. What is Comic Setter?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2221, from hmccracken, 360 chars, Sun Aug 25 09:46:54 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2220.
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\nA package by GoldDisk for the Amiga that’s sort of a desktop
\ncomics publishing program. You can set up a page with panels,
\ncharacters, dialogue balloons, and the like. Besides ComicSetter
\nand the Bugs Bunny package you mention, there is a simple
\nDisney character comics creation package. ComicSetter is probably
\nthe most sophisticated of the three.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2222, from dcolton, 36 chars, Sun Aug 25 13:02:08 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2221.
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\nThanks. Sound like worth exploring.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2223, from hmccracken, 367 chars, Tue Aug 27 17:14:37 1991
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\nTITLE: Another Book to Look Forward To
\n_The Encyclopedia of Animal Cartoon Characters_, by Jeff Rovin, is
\na soon-to-be-published book by an author who’s written similar
\nvolumes on superheroes and supervillains. Rovin has never written
\nabout animation before, as far as I know; he specializes in writing
\npop-culture books about whatever’s hot at the moment.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2224, from hmccracken, 272 chars, Tue Aug 27 17:16:24 1991
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\nTITLE: _Premiere_ magazine doesn’t usually cover animation…
\nbut the current issue, a special “Sex in the Movies” one,
\nhas a one-page article on sex in animation which, while
\nfar from complete and possibly incorrect in some of its
\nfacts, is worth checking out.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2225, from switch, 32 chars, Tue Aug 27 20:52:58 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2224.
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\nWhat do they go on about?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2226, from davemackey, 96 chars, Wed Aug 28 19:08:12 1991
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\nDidn’t he write some sort of book about “The Simpsons”?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2227, from hmccracken, 21 chars, Thu Aug 29 09:28:41 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2226.
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\nI think so.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2228, from hmccracken, 449 chars, Sun Sep 1 19:52:54 1991
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\nTITLE: The BCCI Scandal
\nBelieve it or not, there *is* a comics\/animation connection.
\nCNN reports tonight that _Brenda Starr_, the movie adaptation
\nof Dale Messick’s comic strip, was funded in large part by
\nloans from BCCI; the Arab investor who got the loans and
\nbacked the movie was a big Brooke Shields fan, apparently.
\nUnfortunately for the investor, Miss Shields, and BCCI, the
\nmovie, made five years ago, still has not been released.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2229, from dcolton, 87 chars, Sun Sep 1 21:01:15 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2228.
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\nBad reviews? Legal entanglements? Brooke Shields’ discovered
\na limit to embarrassment?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2230, from hmccracken, 41 chars, Sun Sep 1 22:59:57 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2229.
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\nLegal entanglments, I believe.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2231, from davemackey, 524 chars, Mon Sep 2 11:07:23 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2230.
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\nI find it hard to fathom that there are still people (other than Bob Hope)
\nwho believe Brooke Shields is a highly bankable commodity at this late date.
\nI doubt that there are not more than a handful of people who have been
\nwaiting on tenterhooks for this film to come out for the last 10 years or so.
\nBut the BCCI revelation turns this into an infinitely more interesting tale
\nthan just the story of an ex-kid model pinning her comeback hopes on a movie
\nabout a comic strip reporter.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2232, from richard.pini, 516 chars, Mon Sep 2 17:06:16 1991
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\nTITLE: KimballQuest
\nWhat’s a good source of Ward Kimball material, in the manner of sketches
\nor doodles or whatever? I picked up at a flea market a print(?) or something
\nabout 8 1\/2 by 11 inches, looks like it may have been cut from something
\nlarger, on heavy paper, of a cartoon that has a couple of railroad workers
\nsnoozing on the job, a cow on the train tracks, and a just-arrived train
\nfull of angry folks. I am curious about it, maybe it’s been reprinted
\nsomewhere. Looks to be from the late 20s or early 30s?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2233, from hmccracken, 526 chars, Mon Sep 2 21:19:49 1991
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\nI think Kimball was a mere sprat in the late 20s; he didn’t
\nstart at Disney’s until about 1935. The cartoon may have been
\nfrom one of several places: it may have been cut from a copy
\nof _The Moustrap_, a Disney in-house publication from the
\nlate 1930s that was reprinted about ten years ago; or it
\nmay have been from a train magazine (I believe the Fantagraphics
\nmagazine _Graphic Story Monthly_ reprinted some of Kimball’s
\ntrain magazine cartoons recently). Or maybe it was
\nartwork for one of his dixieland albums?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2234, from hmccracken, 324 chars, Tue Sep 3 21:25:42 1991
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\nTITLE: Turner to buy H-B?
\nI caught the latter part of a Headline News report just now
\nwhich apparently reported that Ted Turner is in negotiations
\nto buy Hanna-Barbera from Great American, H-B’s present owner.
\nCan the all-animation Turner cable TV channel that Dave
\nMackey reported on here a while ago be far off?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2235, from hmccracken, 1236 chars, Tue Sep 3 21:33:09 1991
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\nTITLE: Walter Clinton
\nThe name Walter Clinton may not be familiar to you, but the
\ncartoons he worked on certainly are: Mr. Clinton’s long career
\nstretched from Disney in the 1930s to many years spent with
\nTex Avery at MGM to work on _The Flintstones_ at Hanna-
\nBarbera. He was also a print cartoonist who worked on the
\ncult classic newspaper strip _The Bungle Family_ and on
\nfunny animal comic books.<\/p>\n

Mr. Clinton, who retired some years ago to Arizona, has been
\nlargely out of touch with the animation world since he left
\nthe industry, and hasn’t received much appreciation for his
\nwork as an animator. Unfortunately, he is in poor health.
\nAs an attempt to get him some attention while he’s still around
\nto enjoy it, I made his existence known to John Province, a
\nfriend who has done many interviews with veteran animators;
\nJohn recorded an interview with Walter Clinton this week that
\nwill, I hope, see print in an upcoming issue of _Animato_.
\nIf anybody out there feels the urge to write to Mr. Clinton,
\nyou might drop him a line of appreciation. If you like early
\nDisney animation, Tex Avery’s great films, or _The Flintstones_,
\npart of the credit goes to him. His address is:
\n10714 Brookside Dr.
\nSun City, AZ 85351.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2236, from hmccracken, 611 chars, Tue Sep 3 21:37:17 1991
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\nTITLE: 1991 SAS Conference
\nThe 1991 conference of the Society for Animation Studies will
\nbe held at the Rochester Institute of Technology on October
\n4, 5, and 6. I don’t have full information on what events
\nare planned, but Faith Hubley will be the guest of honor,
\nand there will be animation screenining each night. The
\nmajor event is the presentation of scholarly papers on
\nvarious aspects of animated film.<\/p>\n

Anybody interested in attending might contact Erik Timmerman
\nat RIT — phone number: (716) 475-2754. Past SAS Conferences
\nhave been worthwhile (I’ve heard), and I may be attending
\nthis one.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2237, from hmccracken, 719 chars, Tue Sep 3 23:53:24 1991
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\nTITLE: RIP, Mr. Capra
\nAs you have probably heard, Frank Capra has passed away at the
\nage of 94. Besides his well-known contributions to film, which
\nwe don’t need to reiterate here, Capra played a small but
\nsignificant role in the history of animation: as head of
\n“Fort Roach” during World War II, he supervised the production
\nof many training and propaganda cartoons. Later, in the late
\n1950s, he was involved with the Bell Labs science series, a
\nseries of educational films combining animation and live-action
\nwhich have recently been released on videotape.<\/p>\n

As a silent film buff, I’m also grateful to Capra for his
\ninvolvement in the films of Harry Langdon, one of my favorite
\ncomedians of the silent era.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2238, from richard.pini, 490 chars, Wed Sep 4 07:38:12 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2233.
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\nNo idea at all. There is nothing on the back of this thingie that would
\nsuggest that it came out of a magazine. I mean, it is blank. The paper is
\naged and a wee tad brittle. In the frame, the art was backed with a
\ncertificate of appreciation (nicely hand-painted, too) to one Julius Littman
\nMD from the Hebrew Home and Hospital for Chronic Sick. Go figure. If I can
\nget the photocopies to work I will make a copy and send it to you, maybe
\nyou’ll recognize it, or the style, or something…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2239, from davemackey, 492 chars, Wed Sep 4 19:30:57 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2234.
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\nParticularly if Turner is buying H-B just to get that juicy library,
\naccording to what I’ve read on the matter… there’s talk that Turner just
\nmight shut Hanna-Barbera down (not unlike when L’Oreal bought Filmation a
\nfew years back).
\nYou are right, though: the prospects of a Turner Animation Television
\n(or some similar verbiage) look infinitely brighter when you add the
\nHanna-Barbera catalogue to all the other animation it has the rights to.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2240, from davemackey, 634 chars, Wed Sep 4 22:00:59 1991
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\nTITLE: 426 half-hours of Saban
\nA profile of Haim Saban in this week’s “Broadcasting” notes that his company,
\nSaban Entertainment, will be responsible for producing 426 half-hours of
\nanimation this season, by far the most in the world. This includes network
\nshows for USA broadcast TV (“Little Shop,” “Saban’s Adventures Of The Little
\nMermaid”), cable (“Maya The Bee,” “Lit’l Bits”) and international markets
\n(“Gulliver’s Travels,” “Samurai Pizza Cats” and “Rock ‘n’ Cop”).
\nOn a lighter note, the article mentions that Saban’s Rolls-Royce
\nautomobile bears license plates reading 1 RSK TKR.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2241, from dcolton, 11 chars, Fri Sep 6 01:43:32 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2235.
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\nGod bless.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2242, from davemackey, 707 chars, Fri Sep 6 22:58:33 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2235.
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\nUnfortunately, that’s a sad fact of the animation business: for every Tex
\nAvery there are about a dozen Walter Clintons, guys who made significant
\ncontributions to these films and just don’t get the appreciation or credit
\ndue them. And outside of Mark Kausler, few people can point to individual
\nscenes of a cartoon and tell which animators did what. The directors get all
\nthe acclaim; the animators merely accessories. And that’s too bad since every
\nstudio had some fine animation talent.
\nClinton was certainly prolific. He worked on every Avery\/Lundy MGM
\ncartoon from 1945 to 1955 and has credits on many of the early Hanna-Barbera
\nTV shorts (Yogi Bear, etc.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2243, from rjenks, 367 chars, Sat Sep 7 18:00:17 1991
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\nTITLE: Project A-Kon III
\nWell, A-Kon II is behind us now and we’ve started working on A-Kon III
\nwhich is tentatively planned for late June of ’92. My question to you is
\nreally quite simple: What American animation guests would you like to
\nsee at A-Kon III? Please keep in mind we’re a mid-size convention with a
\nvery small budget.<\/p>\n

Thanx in advance!
\n-Robert<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2244, from hmccracken, 412 chars, Sat Sep 7 19:15:38 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2243.
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\nIf folks like Chuck Jones and Friz Freleng are big-ticket items,
\nhow about John (_Mighty Mouse_, _Ren and Stimpy_) Kricfalusi?
\nOr Jerry Beck and\/or Carl Macek of Streamline Pictures?
\nThere are also a lot of great folks from the 1940s and 1950s
\nwho don’t get invited to cons often — people like Virgil
\nRoss, Dave Tendlar, Preston Blair and others. They are all
\nalive and well and living in California.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2245, from davemackey, 802 chars, Sun Sep 8 00:16:17 1991
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\nI personally would pay money to see Dave Tendlar. He was probably the only
\ndirector at Famous Studios\/Paramount who was capable of making entertaining
\nanimated cartoons. And he did some good work for Terrytoons (it’s a little
\nknown fact that “Outer Space Visitor” is one of my favorite Mighty Mouse
\nreels).
\nI think at a con, though, the focus should be more on people who are
\ndoing stuff now. How many chances do you get to meet current animation
\nartists, guys from Disney and Warner’s actively involved in the production of
\na show you could conceivably go back to your hotel room and watch? I don’t
\nknow if A-Kon could pay the money to get guests the calibre of Jones and
\nFreleng (I would presume that they have to command a pretty high price these
\ndays).
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2246, from rjenks, 690 chars, Sun Sep 8 02:11:23 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2244.
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\nChuck Jones & Friz Freleng are probably way out of our price range
\nunfortunatly. Jerry Beck was at A-Kon II and we can probably get him to
\ncome next year too. Carl Macek was invited, but usually doesn’t come to
\nconventions for fear of his life :). He _did_ however shup up at AnimeCon
\nconventions for fear for his life :). He _did_ however show up at AnimeCon
\n(or so I’m told), but the crowd parted in his wake :).
\nI’m afraid I’m not familiar with the others you mentioned (Ross, Tendlar,
\nand Blair)
\nI will however make a point of writing a invitation and “standard guest
\npacket” to each of these, if I could get an address to write to. (hint) \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

Thanks for the info!
\n-Robert<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2247, from rjenks, 1895 chars, Sun Sep 8 02:41:47 1991
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\n>I personally would pay money….<\/p>\n

That’s what I like to hear \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

I will definitely make an effort to contact Dave Tendlar. You are correct
\nthat we are more focused on today’s artists\/animators. But if a retired
\nanimator will sell more tickets then I’m all for it :). You must understand
\nthat A-Kon is _completely_ funded by EDC (anime club) and it’s staff\/members.
\nWe all make donations that will be paid back _if_ the convention makes money.
\nEDC is non-profit. A-Kon is _not_ non-profit (which is a joke since we have
\nonly lost money so far), but I’m sure if we ever made money it would just go
\ntowards the next con. Unfortunalely we have seen a lack of American
\nanimation fans attending A-Kon. Although we are more based towards “anime”
\nwe are not an “anime” con. We support all forms of animation (Anime\/Animation\/
\nComputer\/Clay-mation\/ and even puppets). This decision was made before A-Kon I
\nbecause of fact that there just weren’t enough “anime” fans in Dallas to
\nsupport a con devoted to anime (yet \ud83d\ude42 ). So we must do our best to “broaden”
\nour market to all animation. This is our problem, none of us really know
\nanything about american\/foreign (other than Japan) animation. That is why
\nyour input (Dave, Harry, etc..) is _so_ important to us. Every year we
\ntell ourselves that if we don’t make money on this con, then we won’t do
\nanother one, and every year we lose money. And as you can see, were still
\ndoing them, but I have a feeling that this will be the last year. We had to
\ndo a _lot_ of coaxing to the purse holders this year and things look worse than
\never after AnimeCon’s giant success. I have absolutly nothing against
\nAnimeCon, but it just seems a little too easy for them to have a full anime
\nconvention is Ca. (Depressing is what I’d call it.) (TINAR\/IMHO)
\nI’ll get off my soap box now.<\/p>\n

Thanx for the info… keep it coming. \ud83d\ude42
\n-Robert<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2248, from davemackey, 328 chars, Sun Sep 8 09:18:10 1991
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\nTITLE: Familiar voice, if not face…
\n…spotted in a current commercial for Mastercard in which it’s demonstrated
\nthat you can use cash machines to get advances on your card. The old woman
\ngiving directions is the legendary Mae Questel, voice of Betty Boop and Olive
\nOyl for many years.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2249, from davemackey, 527 chars, Sun Sep 8 09:54:24 1991
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\nI will try to make plans to come out next year since I get to so few cons to
\nbegin with. You could put just about any American animation personality up
\nthere and I could relate to him\/her; Dave Tendlar was just an extreme example
\nsince I’ve always been a major admirer of his work with Fleischer and Famous.
\nHave anime fans been receptive to having more guests from American
\nanimation? I can’t help but think there’s factions that wouldn’t want to have
\nanything but anime at A-Kon.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2250, from switch, 136 chars, Sun Sep 8 19:17:02 1991
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\nTITLE: 23rd Tournee
\nSaw the 23rd Tournee of Animation just a few nights ago. Will post
\ncomments in long.messages tomorrow night!<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2251, from rjenks, 898 chars, Sun Sep 8 22:08:14 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2249.
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\n>Have anime fans been receptive to having more guests from American animation?<\/p>\n

No, not at all. They really want anime artists, but their just a little out
\nof our budget. Louis Scarborough has been a GREAT success at previous A-kon’s
\nand will be invited to A-Kon III. Scarbourough may not be an anime animator,
\nbut he _is_ an animator, which means he has a great deal of knowledge about
\nthe animation process. We’ve found that just about anybody that’s willing
\nto travel across the country to A-Kon is a fairly heavy-duty animation fan who
\nis also interested in the animation process.<\/p>\n

>I can’t help but think there’s fractions that wouldn’t want to have anything
\n>but anime at A-Kon.<\/p>\n

All too true. \ud83d\ude41 But at the moment that fraction is _not_ enough to pay for
\nan all anime con in Texas. I don’t mind either way, but we’ve got to stay on
\nthe path we’ve chosen. (at least for now)<\/p>\n

-Robert<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2252, from richard.pini, 129 chars, Mon Sep 9 08:52:51 1991
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\nNot to mention that Lou’s a nice guy. Tell him hi from us; we haven’t been in
\ntouch in a while and don’t have a current address.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2253, from hmccracken, 1129 chars, Mon Sep 9 21:49:57 1991
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\nTITLE: _Cartoon Confidential_…
\nis the name of the latest book by John Cawley and Jim Korkis,
\nauthors of _Cartoon Superstars_ and _How to Create Animation_.
\nThis new book is from Malibu Graphics (the previous two were
\npublished by Hal Schuster’s Pioneer Press), and is the slickest
\nand best-looking of the Korkis\/Cawley collaborations so far.<\/p>\n

While the title and cover may suggest that the book is a sort
\nof animated version of _Hollywood Babylon_, this is actually
\na revised and expanded collection of Korkis\/Cawley columns
\nfrom _Amazing Heroes_ magazine. The topics include animated
\nsuperheroes of the 1960s, censorship in animation, the odd
\nstory behind the Tom Carter studio, comic strips based on
\ncartoon characters, and many other subjects. Since most of
\nthe topics covered are a bit off the main highways traveled
\nby most animation books, the effect is of a delightful,
\nscattershot potpourri. As with the other K&C books, the
\nillustrations are unusual and, in some cases, extremely’
\ninteresting.<\/p>\n

John and Jim have several more books in process, most of
\nwhich will be published by a new company called Image.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2254, from drtoon, 216 chars, Mon Sep 9 22:46:29 1991
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\nHas any one ever run across an animated film titles “Adventures of
\nPrince Achmed” done in Germany in 1926? How about a Russian version of
\n“Jungle Book” from the 30’s or 40’s?
\nAny info will be most appreciated.
\n-Doug<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2255, from switch, 73 chars, Mon Sep 9 23:46:37 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2253.
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\nSaw it at Nebula today; hopefully I’ll be able to pick it up soon.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2256, from switch, 960 chars, Mon Sep 9 23:59:03 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2254.
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\nFlipping through my reference text from my History of Animated
\nFilm course, I’ve got: “1926, Reineger: _The Adventures of Prince
\nAchmed_: Silhouette feature-length animation – the 2nd [huh? what
\npreceded it? A quick scan up the page reveals Quirino Christiani’s
\n_The Apostle_, 1917] animation feature ever. Made in Germany and
\nwidely seen in Europe.”<\/p>\n

An excerpt from “From the ‘Theatre Optique’ to Electronics” by Louise
\nBeaudet, head of the animation department of the Cinematheque
\nquebecoise: “An agressive avant-gardism could be found alongside
\na tremendous variety of styles ranging from advertising to animated
\nshadow theatre. The best-known representative of this latter
\ntype of film was Lotte Reineger. Her feature film _The Adventures
\nof Prince Achmed_ (1923-26) in particular is considered one of the
\noutstanding accomplishments of German expressionism.” There’s
\nalso a reference to Bruno Edera’s _Les pionniers europeens de
\nl’animation_.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2257, from rjenks, 277 chars, Tue Sep 10 00:40:23 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2252.
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\nOk. I will have to write him soon. Does he know how to get in touch
\nwith you? If not e-mail some way for him to get in touch with you and I’ll
\nsend it to him. Do you ever get to the Dallas Fantasy Fair’s? I seem to
\nremember seeing you some time ago at one.<\/p>\n

-Robert<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2258, from tsin, 3 chars, Tue Sep 10 21:19:29 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2225.
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\n\ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2259, from switch, 307 chars, Wed Sep 11 00:07:21 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2224.
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\nActually, tsin and I saw the first of the two-part “Erosanimation”
\ncompilation at the Cinematheque Quebecoise just last week. At
\n$2.75 a pop, it was worth it, although some of the films made
\nyou wonder…<\/p>\n

If anyone’s interested, I’ll post what was shown and my opinions
\n(if I can find the program).<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2260, from davemackey, 427 chars, Fri Sep 13 21:20:36 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2199.
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\nAs usual, Dave’s there first: this week’s “Entertainment Weekly” has a review
\nof the current Tournee, of which “Push Comes To Shove” is a component, and
\ndescribes as I did how Plympton (in his own way) adheres to the disciplines
\nof the old Hollywood cartoons where nobody ever gets really badly hurt, yet
\nproduces something distinctively his. “PCTS” is on its way to becoming a
\nclassic.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2261, from hmccracken, 330 chars, Sun Sep 15 17:46:51 1991
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\nTITLE: _Comics Scene_
\nNow and then I’ve mentioned _Comics Scene_, a magazine that often’
\nhas good articles on animation. The new issue is especially
\nnoteworthy, since it’s a special animation one. Inside are
\ninteresting articles on _Darkwing Duck_, _Taz-Mania_, the
\nnew _Tintin_ series, Glen Keane, and Robert McKimson.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2262, from hmccracken, 645 chars, Wed Sep 18 22:07:32 1991
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\nTITLE: Cartoons in the News
\nTwo brief reports on magazine coverage of comic art: first,
\nthe current issue of _Forbes_ includes the magazine’s list
\nof the forty highest-paid entertainers. On the list are
\nCharles (_Peanuts_) Schulz (number 9, between the Rolling
\nStones and Steven Spielberg) and Matt Groening (number
\n39, between Mel Gibson and Vanilla Ice). Off the list is
\nJim Davis; guess the Garfield business isn’t what it used
\nto be.<\/p>\n

Secondly, the new issue of _U&lc_, a graphic design magazine
\npublished by the International Typeface Corporation, cover-
\nfeatures a nifty article by John Canemaker on the design of
\nFelix the Cat.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2263, from morganfox, 165 chars, Wed Sep 18 22:21:33 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2262.
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\nAnd in the current Soap Opera Digest, 11 soap opera actors were asked “As a kid,
\nwho was your favorite cartoon character?”.<\/p>\n

Hey, we gotta keep current ya know. \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2264, from hmccracken, 172 chars, Thu Sep 19 16:01:39 1991
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\nCare to tell us whom the soap stars liked, Morgan? (Not that I’m
\nup on my soap opera actors and characters, except for Susan Lucci,
\nPatch, and Luke and Laura…)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2265, from morganfox, 265 chars, Thu Sep 19 21:49:25 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2264.
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\nLOL! Only Susan Lucci is still on the soaps. She was not polled, sigh. And
\nyet again, this year was nominated and did not win an emmy.
\nScooby Doo was popular, was well as the Flintstones. One person mentioned
\nBetty Boop and Mightty Mouse as his fantasy couple. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2266, from hmccracken, 1446 chars, Sat Sep 21 14:50:26 1991
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\nTITLE: _Chuck Amuck: The Movie_
\nWarner Bros. Home Video has just released _Chuck Amuck: The
\nMovie_, a documentary based on Chuck Jones’s 1989 memoirs.
\nIt’s a well-done film (produced in 1989, apparently in
\nEngland) that devotes much of its running time to just letting
\nChuck talk and draw, to good effect. Long-time Jones followers
\nwill have already heard much of what Jones has to say, but
\nthey’ll probably enjoy the other interviews — with Mel
\nBlanc, Michael Maltese, Lloyd Vaughan, and Maurice Noble (the
\nlast being especially informative).<\/p>\n

If there’s a major complaint to be made about _Chuck Amuck:
\nThe Movie_, it’s that, like Jones’s book, it is more a
\nrambling look at Jones’s latter-day musings about his art
\nand characters than a biographical work. There is almost
\nno discussion of Jones’s work before about 1947, and virtually
\nall the film clips date from the 1950s. Unlike the book,
\nin which Jones gives full credit to his colleagues, this
\nmovie makes scant mention of other Warner artists (other than
\nthe few who are interviewed); you might walk away from the film
\nthinking that Jones worked pretty much in a vacuum.<\/p>\n

Still, this $19.95 tape is a pleasant change from the
\ncountless repackagings of the same old cartoons that make
\nup most of Warner’s animation video offerings. Volumes
\non people like Friz Freleng and Tex Avery (I believe the
\npeople behind this tape have already produced an Avery film)
\nwould be welcome.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2267, from hmccracken, 724 chars, Sat Sep 21 15:01:35 1991
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\nTITLE: New Books
\nThree new comics-related books of note have recently been
\npublished. _Marvel: Fifty Fabulous Years of the World’s
\nGreatest Comics_, by Les Daniels (Abrams) is a history of
\nMarvel Comics that’s big and colorful, and has been praised
\nby several knowledgable friends of mine as an honest and
\ndetailed book. (I don’t have it yet.) _Archie: His First
\nFifty Years_, by Charles Phillips (Abbeville) does for Archie
\ncomics what Daniels’s book does for Marvel. It’s also thick
\nand good-looking.<\/p>\n

Finally, _A Wish For Wings That Work_, by Berke Breathed, is
\na children’s book starring Opus the Penguin, late of _Bloom
\nCounty_. This Christmas tale is being made into an animated
\nspecial by Steven Spielberg.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2268, from hmccracken, 377 chars, Sat Sep 21 22:54:13 1991
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\nTITLE: DIC Sold
\nDIC, the large Saturday-morning animation studio, has been sold
\nto Polygram, a division of N.V. Philips, the Dutch conglomerate
\nthat owns Norelco and Magnavox, among other companies. It is
\nspeculated that Polygram may shut down the studio, as Ted Turner
\nis said to be considering doing to Hanna-Barbera upon completion
\nof his purchase of that studio.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2269, from davemackey, 1100 chars, Tue Sep 24 01:36:29 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2268.
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\nIt is a sad scenario if and when these two large suppliers of SatAM and
\nsyndicated animation close up shop in the same season. I would imagine that
\nthis is the first dose of recession reality that the animation boom’s been
\nconfronted with (keeping in mind Phil Roman’s recent comment that “you
\ncouldn’t tell there’s a recession looking at the animation business”).
\nWho will step in and fill in the gap? I don’t imagine any of the smaller
\nshops (Film Roman, Klasky Csupo, Saban) being able to handle the workload of
\neither of those two studios. Marvel Productions could come to the fore now
\nthat it’s got several series on the air once again after a year or two of
\ndormancy. I don’t know how Warner Bros. or Disney could function as high
\nvolume\/low budget shops; their operations are geared more toward producing
\nhigh-end cartoons.
\nThis could be the break that Universal’s been looking for, lots of
\nartists out on the streets and a giant studio facility on Cahuenga Blvd.
\njust sitting idle. They stand to be the biggest beneficiary of this
\nimplosion.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2270, from hmccracken, 1407 chars, Wed Sep 25 13:56:39 1991
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\nTITLE: Good-Bye, Dr. Seuss
\nJust heard the sad news on the radio that Theodor S. Geisel — better
\nknown to children young and old as Dr. Seuss — has passed away at
\nhis home in La Jolla. He was 87.<\/p>\n

I doubt that I need to identify Seuss as the author and illustrator
\nof many wonderful children’s books, from _The 500 Hats of
\nBartholemew Cubbins_ to _The Cat in the Hat_ to _Horton Hatches the
\nEgg_ to _Green Eggs and Ham_. He will always be remembered for
\nthese delightful, educational, and unpretentious works. But remarkably
\nenough, Seuss was active in many other areas of comic art — he
\nbegan as a magazine cartoonist in the 1920s (see the book _The
\nTough Coughed as he Ploughed the Dough_ for examples of his early
\nwork). He went on to a successful period as an advertising artist
\nand was responsible for the once-famous “Quick, Henry, the Flit!”
\ncampaign. His association with animation ranged from Bob Clampett’s
\nWarner Bros. cartoon of _Horton Hatches the Egg_ to the co-creation
\nof the WWII propaganda character Private Snafu to the creation
\nof UPA’s Gerald McBoing Boing to the many TV adaptations of his
\nbooks, beginning with Chuck Jones’s _How the Grinch Stole
\nChristmas_.<\/p>\n

He will be missed, of course — but in a sense he won’t really
\nbe leaving us. I’m sure that his books will continue to be
\njust as important a part of American childhood as they’ve been
\nfor the past fifty years.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2271, from bferg, 139 chars, Wed Sep 25 15:41:48 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2270.
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\nYes, he will be missed. I did not know that much about him.
\nI can, with good feelings, that if I live to be 87, I will be
\nhappy!<\/p>\n

Barbara<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2272, from davemackey, 797 chars, Wed Sep 25 19:02:49 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2270.
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\nI was shocked to hear of this, but then I remembered Shel Dorf’s solicitation
\nfor get-well cards a few months back… maybe it was known within the
\npublishing community that the end was near and Shel wanted to tip off the
\nworld in a discreet manner….
\nMy favorite Seuss story – and for all I know, this may be true, and Iope
\nit isn’t too indelicate telling this so soon after his death – was that he
\nwrote his children’s stories using off-color language, then cleaned them up
\njust before publication.
\nThere’s lots more I could say (and definitely will — I will be posting
\na list of his animation adaptations), but I’m at a loss for words: we lose
\nboth Jim Henson and Dr. Seuss in the same year. Life ain’t fair, and death is
\nnot too far behind.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2273, from davemackey, 265 chars, Wed Sep 25 21:06:13 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2270.
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\nI have taken the liberty of compiling a list of film and literary work of Dr.
\nSeuss and some other observations on his life and career and have posted it
\nin \/long.messages, since it’s a bit lengthy to put over here in \/main.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2274, from hmccracken, 311 chars, Thu Sep 26 00:02:18 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2273.
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\nOdd coincidence: the new FAO Schwartz catalog, which arrived in
\nmy mailbox yesterday, has a cover and interior illustrations
\nby Seuss, and is dedicated to a celebration of his career.
\nIt says he’s sold 250 million books (a report on CNN today
\nsaid 100 million; in any case it is a very large number).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2275, from davemackey, 371 chars, Sun Sep 29 09:39:42 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2274.
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\nAnd while we’re on the subject of Seuss, did anyone else see Jesse Jackson
\ngiving an impassioned reading of “Green Eggs and Ham” on “Saturday Night
\nLive” last evening? I thought it was a nice tribute to the man (and on the
\nsubject of tribute, one of the members of Public Enemy asked for three
\nseconds of silence for Miles Davis).
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2276, from hmccracken, 242 chars, Sun Sep 29 09:53:20 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2275.
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\nThe Jackson GE&H reading soundes a little tasteless, but
\nit was actually pretty funny and if anything kidded Jackson
\nmore than it did the Dr. And farewell to the great Miles, who
\nI was fortunate enough to see in concert last year.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2277, from davemackey, 251 chars, Sun Sep 29 11:31:23 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2276.
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\nI think the audience got a big kick out of it, and it was definitely the
\nhighlight of “Weekend Update” — the problem here is that Kevin Nealon is
\ntrying to do Dennis Miller type material in a Chevy Chase mode.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2278, from tsin, 65 chars, Sun Sep 29 11:47:32 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2276.
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\ni happened to see it on tape this morn and liked it!
\n\ud83d\ude41
\n\ud83d\ude42
\ncynth<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2279, from switch, 218 chars, Sun Sep 29 12:24:02 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2276.
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\nI saw Miles Davis for the first (and now proven to be last) time
\nwhen I first attended the Kool Jazz Festival in 1986 (or was it
\n1987?) I’ve been a fan of his since I was reading Dr. Seuss books.
\nI’ll miss him.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2280, from hmccracken, 258 chars, Sun Sep 29 14:20:58 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2279.
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\nI’m not sure if Davis liked comics or cartoons (I have his
\nautobiography, so I can check — but I kind of doubt it).
\nHe was, however, a talented visual artist who actually drew
\nand painted the images on the T-shirts that were sold at
\nhis concerts.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2281, from switch, 57 chars, Sun Sep 29 19:26:39 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2280.
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\nAlso the cover for his “Time After Time” single…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2282, from davemackey, 211 chars, Mon Sep 30 07:07:02 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2280.
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\nI personally can’t picture Miles Davis kicking back with a Garfield
\npaperback. He wrote and performed great music, even if he did screw himself
\nup with various narcotics.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2283, from hkenner, 176 chars, Mon Sep 30 23:20:16 1991
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\nTITLE: Inki & the Myna Bird
\nWhat is known about that film? Strange, stranger, strangest.
\nAnd the bird hops like the guy in *The Dover Boys* who ends up with
\nthe heroine.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2284, from hmccracken, 456 chars, Tue Oct 1 09:18:53 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2283.
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\nThe “Inki” films are among Jones’s strangest — Jones has said
\nthat he didn’t understand them himself, and that Walt Disney
\nwas mystified by them. In theme and structure, they’re evolutionary
\nworks that are somewhere between Jones’s early pseudo-Disney cartoons
\nand some of his later series with oddball premises (the Pepe Le Pew
\ncartoons, for instance).<\/p>\n

I can probably unearth some specific Jones quotes about the
\nfilms if they’d be helpful…
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2285, from hkenner, 62 chars, Tue Oct 1 12:04:25 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2284.
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\nThey would indeed be helpful, if you can spare the time.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2286, from hmccracken, 1197 chars, Tue Oct 1 19:22:22 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2285.
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\nChuck Jones on the Inki cartoons:
\n“Those cartoons really baffled Walt Disney. They baffled me, for that
\nmatter. I just made them because I thought they were funny. I wasn’t
\neven sure I thought they were funny; they were kind of mysterious. The
\nlittle Negro was probably the first one who was just a little kid; he
\nwas a Negro only because he was living in Africa, not for any other
\nreason. He never acted like a stereotyped Negro.
\nBut people would laugh at that damned bird [the Minah Bird], and I
\ncould never figure out why. Warner’s hated it, but it went over very
\nbig in the theaters. Walt would run them for his staff, and say,
\n‘What the hell…why can’t you guys do something like that?
\nWhat is it? What’s so goddamn funny about it?’ If he’d brought
\nme over, I couldn’t have told him. I made five or six of them…
\nthey were really fourth-dimensional pictures, and I don’t understand
\nthe fourth dimension.'”
\n— From “An Interview With Chuck Jones,” _Funnyworld_ #13,
\nSpring 1971.<\/p>\n

The same issue includes a list of the “Inki” cartoons:
\n_The Little Lion Hunter_ (1939)
\n_Inki and the Lion_ (1941)
\n_Inki and the Minah Bird_ (1943)
\n_Inki at the Circus_ (1946)
\n_Caveman Inki_ (1949)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2287, from hkenner, 256 chars, Tue Oct 1 19:30:53 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2286.
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\nThank you! I’ve seen snippets of that quote, but don’t have that
\nFunnyworld. I repeat, the Mynah Bird, with his hop after every 3rd
\nstep, is the same loopy guy who runs off with the heroine at the end
\nof *The Dover Boys*. A generic Jones fantasy?
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2288, from davemackey, 240 chars, Wed Oct 2 07:15:27 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2287.
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\nI don’t have the source but Jones said he thought it was funny to have the
\nMinah Bird hop on the odd-beats of the music. If I remember properly, the guy
\nfrom “The Dover Boys” had the same affliction.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2289, from bferg, 381 chars, Wed Oct 2 09:43:29 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2288.
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\nAs a child and even now, I was transfixed by the cartoons
\nwith the Minah Bird. The bird was so, cannot find the right
\nword, cool? Every character stopped their actions when he
\nshowed and their eyes bounced with every hop. I still laugh
\nloudly at those cartoons, a fomula of action, music, story
\nthat is sorta bizarre, mysterious. ::Hearing the music in
\nmy head.::<\/p>\n

\ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

Barbara<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2290, from bcapps, 306 chars, Wed Oct 2 21:06:11 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2288.
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\nNot to mention, the music for the Mynah bird is from Mendelssohn’s
\n“Fingal’s Cave,” which I think is strong contributor to its
\nhumorous appeal. This credit comes from the liner notes on
\n“The Carl Stalling Project,” which has that piece in its
\n“Medley: Dinner Music for a Pack of Hungry Cannibals.”<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2291, from dferg, 669 chars, Wed Oct 2 23:58:55 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2289.
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\nMinah Bird…I’ll toss my two-cents’-worth in…
\nI won’t go off and say I understand him, but I believe I understand
\nwhat may be behind him. He’s like the ‘trickster’ or ‘coyote’ archetype..
\n…he has his own mischevious agenda, and even if you think you are ‘on
\nhis side’ (as Inki does at the end of most of these ‘toons), you’re assuming
\ntoo much. He’s the spirit of chaos and independence….murphy’s law on
\ntwo clawed feet…and something that, oddly enough, we find lurking in
\nourselves, at least as a ‘latent desire’.<\/p>\n

I really don’t presume to speak for Jones, and I could be missing the
\npart of the human psyche that he tapped…but I don’t think so.<\/p>\n

-Doug<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2292, from hmccracken, 285 chars, Thu Oct 3 13:23:07 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2291.
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\nOne thing we ought to check (and I will, as soon as I’m near my
\nanimation reference library) is the story credits for both
\nthe Inki cartoons and _The Dover Boys_. It’s quite possible that
\nsomeone other than Jones came up with both the Minah Bird and
\nthat _Dover Boys_ chap.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2293, from hkenner, 120 chars, Thu Oct 3 16:22:44 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2292.
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\nDover boys story is credited (on the film) to Tedd Pierce. My copy
\nof Inki & the Mynah Bird has no credits at all.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2294, from davemackey, 362 chars, Thu Oct 3 20:45:36 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2293.
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\n“Little Lion Hunter”: story by Bob Givens; “Inki And The Lion”: Rich Hogan;
\n“Inki and the Minah Bird”: no story credit exists; “Inki at the Circus”:
\nMaltese and Pierce; “Caveman Inki”: Maltese.
\nRemember though that the films were a collaborative effort, and any
\nstoryman could contribute gags to any director’s film.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2295, from hmccracken, 425 chars, Thu Oct 3 21:33:13 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2294.
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\nRight, Dave…Also, for quite a while the story credits on Warner
\ncartoons were simply issued on a rotating basis, and so bore no
\nreal relation to who worked on which cartoon. By the time of the
\ncartoons in question, though, I believe that period had ended.<\/p>\n

Still, the fact that at least four different storymen seem to have
\nworked on the five “Inki” films suggest that if they were anyone’s
\nbaby, it was Jones’s.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2296, from hmccracken, 1051 chars, Sun Oct 6 18:20:12 1991
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\nToday at a collectibles show I picked up the 1975 issue of _Film
\nComment_ that spotlighted “The Hollywood Cartoon,” and among its
\nmany spectacular features is what is probably the longest and
\nbest interview with Chuck Jones ever published. Jones has quite
\na lot to say about the “Inki” cartoons in the interview…<\/p>\n

“I did that even earlier in _Little Lion Hunter_ [in response to
\na question about the Pepe Le Pew series]. The mynah bird was that
\nsort of steady character. I often have music dictating the steady
\npace. In the Inki series, the mynah bird would hop along to
\n‘Fingal’s Cave Overture.’ That was my first experience with
\nMendelssohn.”<\/p>\n

Later in the interview, when the interviewer remarks that
\nthe mynah bird is associated with earhquakes in _Caveman Inki_:
\n“Oh, they weren’t terrified of the Mynah Brid, but they were
\nterrified of the natural condition that arose from the
\nMynah Bird’s appearance. The mountain split right in half, remember?
\nEveryone expects something pretty tremendous, and then this
\nlittle thing comes out.”
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2297, from hmccracken, 593 chars, Thu Oct 10 13:50:42 1991
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\nTITLE: Supreme Court calls Harmon a Bozo
\nWhile everybody else is talking about Clarence Thomas, here’s a
\npiece of Supreme Court news that’s more appropriate to this
\nconference. On Monday, the high court ruled against Larry Harmon,
\nwho owns the rights to Bozo the Clown, in his lawsuit against
\na Mason, Tennessee barbecue restaurant that sells “Bozo”
\nbarbecue sauce.<\/p>\n

Since the restaurant has been selling the stuff under that name
\nsince 1928, before Bozo the Clown came to be, it sounds like
\nHarmon didn’t have that much of a case. Isn’t “Bozo” a fairly
\nold piece of slang, anyway?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2298, from morganfox, 215 chars, Thu Oct 10 18:11:06 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2297.
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\nAin’t it amazing what cases the Supreme Court chooses to hear? \ud83d\ude42 And how
\nfar people are willing to go to sue?<\/p>\n

I wonder if this means the Capt. Crunch cereal Vs. Capt. Crunch Bait shop
\nin Tuckertown, NJ is next?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2299, from davemackey, 201 chars, Sat Oct 12 07:44:07 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2296.
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\nThe Minah Bird thing gets weirder — I just remembered that the bird made a
\ncameo appearance in Bob McKimson’s cartoon “Hobo Bobo,” Fingal’s Cave music
\nand all.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2300, from hmccracken, 577 chars, Mon Oct 14 22:35:32 1991
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\nTITLE: _Premiere_ magazine spotlights animation
\nThe new issue of _Premiere_ magazine is chock-full of stuff to
\ninterest animation and cartoon fans. The biggest thing is a
\nlong article, beautifully illustrated, on Disney’s upcoming
\n_Beauty and the Beast_ feature, but there are also shorter
\npieces on Sherri Stoner, animation model and writer, two
\nDisney studio-related tidbits, and even a nice plug for
\nour own Doug Ranney’s (drtoon) _Whole Toon Catalog_. Add in
\na nice article on the upcoming _Addams Family_ film, and
\nyou’ve got a must-buy item for cartoon types.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2301, from hmccracken, 450 chars, Mon Oct 14 22:38:29 1991
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\nTITLE: It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas…
\njudging by the number of cartoon-related coffee-table books
\ninvading bookstores lately. The newest ones are _The Art of
\nMickey Mouse_, a lavish volume of artworks inspired by the
\nMouse, with an introduction by John Updike (a closet cartoon
\nbuff?); and a new book on Tom and Jerry. I bought the latter
\nbook today and will probably snag the latter one
\neventually; more comments to come.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2302, from hmccracken, 220 chars, Mon Oct 14 22:42:26 1991
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\nTITLE: Clarification
\nReading the log-in message about the birthday CBIX, I see that
\na hasty reading of it might lead one to believe that the CBIX
\nis on Saturday. It’s not — it’s Tuesday at 10pm EDT, as usual.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2303, from aameden, 189 chars, Tue Oct 15 21:43:38 1991
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\nTITLE: Computer animation
\nHi. I’m not a regular here, but I have a question about computer animation on
\nvideo tape. Please see my inquiry in ‘video.stuff’ if you have time.
\nThanks,
\nAAMEDEN<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2304, from switch, 193 chars, Tue Oct 15 22:04:36 1991
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\nTITLE: Re\/Flex
\nThe latest issue of Re\/Flex has got an article on Carl Stalling.
\nGiven my current magazine stack, I won’t have a chance to read
\nit for a while, so let me know how it is \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2305, from switch, 247 chars, Fri Oct 18 21:25:57 1991
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\nTITLE: Movie program
\nDoes anyone have a spare program for the Sick & Twisted Animation
\nFestival? I managed to catch it last night — the last show —
\nand they didn’t have any left. It’d be much appreciated.<\/p>\n

Any comments on the show, BTW?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2306, from aameden, 73 chars, Sat Oct 19 04:11:41 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2305.
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\nWhat, bye the bye, is “The Sick and Twisted Animation Festival”?
\nAAMEDEN<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2307, from hmccracken, 430 chars, Sat Oct 19 09:54:05 1991
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\nTITLE: Happy Birthday to Us!
\nThis conference was created on October 19th, 1989 — making today
\nour second birthday! (We didn’t open to the public for a week or
\ntwo after that, but today is as close to an official birthday as
\nwe have.)<\/p>\n

Many thanks to all the wonderful Bixen who contribute to making
\nthe animation conference a fun place to be. May the conference
\nsurvive to an age of at least Grim Natwickian longevity!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2308, from davemackey, 280 chars, Sat Oct 19 18:29:24 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2307.
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\nLet me join in the confetti throwing to help celebrate your second birthday.
\nIt’s been a great almost two years for me (I joined a little less than a
\nmonth after you opened) and I hope everyone’s gotten as big a hoot out of
\nthis as I have.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2309, from mscoville, 87 chars, Sat Oct 19 22:24:45 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2307.
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\nHappy Birthday and special thanks to the founding fathers of the conference.
\nmscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2310, from mscoville, 778 chars, Sat Oct 19 22:30:46 1991
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\nTITLE: Anim. Art Auctions
\nThis season marks another marathon of animation art auctions. Christie’s will
\nhold thiers on December 10th, Phillips will be December 12th and Sotheby’s
\nbrings up the rear with their auction on December 14th.<\/p>\n

The notable note of this season will be art from Universal\/Amblin films: The
\nLand Before Time and American Tail 1.These will be in Christie’s catalogs. It
\nis rumored that they will have over 400 pieces for auction so there will have
\nto be 2 sessions.<\/p>\n

Sotheby’s will have art from the Peanuts specials. Yes, they have already been
\nat auction before, but with the prices that they got for the art, Bill Melendez
\nand the other partners decided that they would do it again.<\/p>\n

I will let you know when the catalogs will be available. mscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2311, from davemackey, 1049 chars, Mon Oct 21 08:23:13 1991
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\nTITLE: “Classic Cartoons” exhibit in NJ
\nI will definitely set aside some time between now and November 3 to take in
\nthe “Classic Cartoons: The Art Of Animation” exhibit at the Monmouth Museum
\nin Lincroft, NJ.
\nMuseum director Dorothy “Mike” Morehouse told The Asbury Park Press, “We
\nwant children to appreciate that [cartoons are] more than just some Saturday
\nmorning diversion. Here we have an accessible combination of art and
\nnostalgia.”
\nThe show takes pains to explain how animation happens and includes an
\nexhibit of animation artwork and videos coordinated by Pam and Robert Martin
\nof Cel-ebration!
\nFurther information and directions can be had by calling (908) 747-2266;
\nadmission is $2 for adults and $1.50 for seniors and children.
\nIncidentally, this is also a good place to mention that Cel-ebration!
\nhas just opened a new gallery located at 30 Monmouth Street in Red Bank, NJ,
\nso congrats to the Martins on that. For more information on that, call Pam
\nand Bob at (908) 842-8489.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2312, from bferg, 66 chars, Mon Oct 21 09:35:06 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2307.
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\nHappy Birthday, animation…*were* you really born??<\/p>\n

\ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

Barbara<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2313, from switch, 63 chars, Mon Oct 21 21:55:38 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2307.
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\nTwo years already? Time flies when you’re having fun…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2314, from mscoville, 317 chars, Mon Oct 21 22:58:49 1991
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\nIn conjunction with the exhibition, the museum will be holding a seminar\/round
\ntable discussion on collecting animation art. This will be held at the museum
\non October 27th at 2 pm. This is being hosted by the Martins. Hope everyone
\ncan make it as it could be good. We plan to go an be an audience member.
\nmscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2315, from davemackey, 145 chars, Tue Oct 22 19:29:21 1991
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\nAw, gee, Mike, you finally get down to my neck of the woods, and I’ll be out
\nof town! Maybe next time…
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2316, from davemackey, 476 chars, Tue Oct 22 22:49:36 1991
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\nTITLE: Disney bashing continues…
\n…in the latest issue of Spy magazine (once they find a target, they’re
\nrelentless… just ask Mike Ovitz, head of Creative Artists Agency, a pet
\nfavorite of the Spy staff). This month, Hollywood Records is examined in a
\nnot too flattering light in a one-pager by Jeffrey Ressner. Hollywood Record
\nhas released albums by Roseanne Barr, Queen, Stryper, Lifers Group, The Party
\nand WWIII among others.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2317, from mscoville, 364 chars, Wed Oct 23 22:25:14 1991
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\nTITLE: Shamus Culhane
\nThe Museum of Modern Art (MOMA) is having a special show on animation and
\nhonoring Shamus Culhane. This show will be November 11th. (Will try and get the
\ntime for this in the near future.) They are also doing other shows on Swiss
\nanimation as well as presenting the best of animation from the Annecy animated
\nfilm festival (1991). mscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2318, from mscoville, 482 chars, Wed Oct 23 22:30:24 1991
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\nTITLE: Gerry Anderson
\nThe creator of Thunderbirds and Fireball XL-5 is doing another he-man series,
\nthis time with the Soviets. He and the Soviets are co-producing a series entitled G-Force about a spacea rescue team. T
\nhe stories, etc. will be done in England
\nand the actual animation will be done be the St. Petersburg Studios in Russia.
\nAccording to a company spokesman, 13 episodes are already under pre-production with and estimated cost of $400,000 per
\nepisode. mscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2319, from hmccracken, 84 chars, Wed Oct 23 22:46:00 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2314.
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\nIf you go, Mike, say “hi!” to Pam Martin for me. She is a
\nwonderful lady.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2320, from hkenner, 173 chars, Sat Oct 26 11:47:57 1991
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\nTITLE: Updike on Mickey
\nNovember *Art * Antiques* (just received) has a lavish sequence of
\nimages surrounding a keen piece on Mickey Mouse by John Updike.
\nRecommended.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2321, from hmccracken, 388 chars, Tue Oct 29 23:18:13 1991
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\nTITLE: Grim Tidings in Burbank
\nThe Howard Lowery Gallery in Burbank, CA will be having an exhibition
\nand sale of artwork by the late Grim Natwick (creator of Betty Boop)
\nfrom November 9th through December 28th. A catalog is available for
\n$6.00 postpaid; contact Lowery at (818) 972-9080 for more information.
\nLowery’s sales are always excellent, so this should be a real event.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2322, from hmccracken, 1062 chars, Thu Oct 31 09:43:30 1991
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\nTITLE: When I was driving from Los Angeles to San Diego last
\nThursday, I came across a little place on the Pacific Coast
\nHighway that’s definitely worth mentioning here. The Chuck
\nJones Show-Room — I’m told the place is operated by Chuck’s
\ndaughter, Linda — is a small gallery of animation cels from
\nJones and non-Jones productions. (Other animators represented
\ninclude Friz Freleng, Grim Natwick, and Walter Lantz.)<\/p>\n

The collection is divided approximately 50%-50% between original
\nproduction cels and limited-edition collectible ones; the
\noriginal cels don’t include any from vintage Warner’s cartoons,
\nbut there are some nice ones from 1970s and 1980s Warner
\nproductions, as well as a few from 1960s MGM cartoons like
\n_How the Grinch Stole Christmas_. Everything is for sale, at
\ntypical gallery prices that are a bit more than you’d pay
\na mail-order dealer for the same pieces.<\/p>\n

If you’re in the neighborhood, the place is worth a visit.
\nThe show-room is at 2900 East Coast Highway in Corona
\nDel Mar, CA 92625. The phone number is (714) 759-1232.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2323, from hkenner, 91 chars, Thu Oct 31 11:33:58 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2322.
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\nYes, that’s a nice place. I’ve been there too. Chuck himself
\nlives 2-3 miles away.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2324, from bcapps, 992 chars, Fri Nov 1 01:16:41 1991
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\nTITLE: USA Today Life Feature article 10\/31\/91 — Holiday Box-Office Anims
\nJust a short blurb about the box-office battle that’s shaping up between
\nDisney’s Beauty and the Beast and Universal\/Steven Spielberg’s An American
\nTail: Fievel Goes West. Highlights: AAT:FGW has licences with Pizza Hut,
\nReading Buddies and Nabisco products. BATB has a deal with Burger King.
\nPredicted winner: Beast due to appeal to adults w\/out kids, whereas Tail
\nlooks to be a family affair. Also, this seems to be the start of an annual
\ncontest now. Disney has released a new animated film each Thanksgiving
\nsince 1988. Expected matchup for 92: Disney’s Aladdin vs. Amblimation’s
\nWe’re Back based on Hudson Talbott’s children’s books. It is expected that
\neven with the recession, both films will do well, since the audience for
\nthe films is seen as quite large.<\/p>\n

Bob
\np,s,
\n.s. The article also showed a cel from each film showing the main characters
\nBeauty and Beast, and then Fievel in western garb.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2325, from davemackey, 1079 chars, Sat Nov 2 23:06:25 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2324.
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\nThanks for writing up this article, Bob. I am surprised to see Spielberg
\ntaking up the mantle where Bluth left off. It always seems that the two most
\ninteresting animated features of a given season always seem to come out
\naround Thanksgiving time, and one of them is Disney’s, and you would not want
\nto play in Disney’s playground if you can’t win. But Spielberg is a master
\nmanipulator of audiences who knows which buttons to push, so to speak.
\nI’m starting to have my doubts about the character of The Beast. If you
\nremember the television series of a few years ago, Vincent was just human
\nenough to make a relationship between him and Catherine believable. Now that
\nI’ve seen pictures of Disney’s Beast, I don’t see anything human about him
\nand am getting a nasty bestiality vibe (at the very least, it could be
\nconstrued as a Tex Avery homage). We’ll see when the movie comes out.
\nAbout the “American Tail II” tie.ins: I wonder if Fievel, who’s Jewish,
\nis going to be gracing Christmas tree ornaments like he did last time?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2326, from hkenner, 376 chars, Sun Nov 3 00:23:55 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2325.
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\nThe trailer I’ve seen (twice) for B & the B does not appeal. Lots of
\ntech pizzazz, giggly reaction-shots from Beauty, cliche Disney panic
\namong minor characters when much is going on … all very formulaic.
\nI agree that the Beast is uninteresting. Right, he lacks Vincent’s
\nhuman infrastructure. Also, check out the great Cocteau film. Real
\npathos in *that* beast.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2327, from jshook, 170 chars, Sun Nov 3 00:54:07 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2326.
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When Marlene Dietrich saw the Cocteau film she is reported to have
\nsaid in response to the beast’s human transformation at the end
\nof the film “Give me back my beast!”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2328, from bcapps, 834 chars, Sun Nov 3 01:30:42 1991
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\nNo problem, in fact, it’s a pleasure to help out. Especially since you can’t
\nbe everywhere at once! You’d think the marketing folks would’ve caught on
\nto the Fievel\/XMas thing. Maybe they’ll just say “Happy Holidays!” and get
\naround the who’s what type of thing. Well, they did say that the BATB did
\ndraw a favorable reaction at the New York Film Festival this fall, although
\nit was an unfinished version. But, Beast does seem somewhat less human than
\npreviously portrayed by “human” actors, although I haven’t seen the Cocteau
\nversion (gotta find that one!). But at least it’s nice to see Disney trying
\nto address more adult audiences with its animated subject matter. If we
\ncould only convince them to do a “Heavy Metal” or a (dare we say it?) “Fritz
\nthe Cat?” ::smack, smack:: Ok, I’m awake now! Dreaming mode off.<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2329, from davemackey, 99 chars, Sun Nov 3 10:01:25 1991
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\nThat’s the word I was looking for, Hugh… pathos. Thanks!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2330, from switch, 233 chars, Sun Nov 3 11:32:13 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2328.
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\nI’d like to see Disney do something a bit more adult, like _Wings of
\nHonneamise_. With the Disney name behind it, you’re almost guaranteed
\nplenty of attention (which _Wings_, even in translated form, could not hope
\nto match).<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2331, from hmccracken, 393 chars, Sun Nov 3 12:23:23 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2325.
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\nRemember, Dave, that Spielberg produced two of the Bluth
\nfilms that went up against Disney films — _An American
\nTail_ and _Land Before Time_. Both did well.<\/p>\n

I agree that Disney’s Beast doesn’t look particularly
\nappealing. Too much like a buffalo, if you ask me.
\nHowever, he’s been animated by the great Glen Keane,
\nwho can pack a great deal of humanity and emotion into
\nhis work.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2332, from hmccracken, 881 chars, Sun Nov 3 12:28:38 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2326.
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\nDisney’s advertising for its films often bears little relation to
\nthe film it promotes. I haven’t seen the B&B trailer, but I’ve
\nseen two different posters for the film. One is a pastel-tinged
\nportrait of the Beast and Beauty waltzing, with the caption
\n“The Most Beautiful Love Story Ever Told.” I suspect this poster
\nis aimed at grown-up women who liked the TV series. The other
\nposter is *very* Disney — a shot of a cheerful Beauty surrounded
\nby cute characters. This makes the film look a lot like _Snow White_
\nor _Cinderella_.<\/p>\n

To take another example of Disney’s tricky advertising, they promoted
\nlast year’s _The Rescuers Down Under_ with an ad that was a virtual
\nduplicate of the one for _The Little Mermaid_, despite the fact that
\nthe two films had little in common. Almost everything I’ve heard
\nabout B&B has been very favorable, so I’m looking forward to it.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2333, from hmccracken, 914 chars, Sun Nov 3 22:03:37 1991
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\nTITLE: Maurice Noble News
\nSince I spend a lot of time here griping about the current state
\nof the Disney studio, it’s always nice to be able to report on
\nsomething nice that its done. I spoke today to Maurice Noble, the
\ngreat Warner Bros.\/Chuck Jones designer, and he told me that he
\nreturned recently from a two-week trip with his wife to Disney
\nWorld in Florida, where he lectured on animation and design,
\nlunched with studio bigwigs, and toured the Magic Kingdom, EPCOT,
\nand the Disney-MGM Studios. All of this was paid for by Disney,
\nof course. It’s nice to know that Disney both had the good sense
\nto draw on Maurice’s expertise, and the largesse to do it
\nin the form of what sounds like a very nice working vacation
\nfor the Nobles. (Maurice, by the way, had the guts to speak honestly
\nand say how much he disliked _Who Framed Roger Rabbit_ when
\nasked about it by a studio employee at one lecture.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2334, from hmccracken, 293 chars, Sun Nov 3 22:07:39 1991
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\nI was going to say that Disney will have a hard time living up to
\nthe Cocteau film, but I have the feeling that few folks today
\nremember that wonderful film (is it available on video?). If we’re
\nlucky, Disney’s release may inspire someone or other to re-release
\nthe Cocteau version.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2335, from elfhive, 674 chars, Mon Nov 4 15:04:02 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2334.
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\nPBS (at least in DC) occasionally shows the Cocteau film. It is
\navailable from some collector’s video catalogues. I believe I have
\nseen it at Tower Video for rent as well. One that I rarely see
\nis Cocteau’s other feature film: _Orpheus_ again an inspired
\npiece of filmmaking and a brilliant retelling of timeless myth.
\nI had the chance to see it again about three months ago at the
\nAmerican Film Institute Theater.<\/p>\n

In _Beauty and the Beast_ (Cocteau’s film) I will never forget the
\nwith the arms holding candelabra as the source of lighting. I don’t
\nsuppose Disney retained this concept in their animation?<\/p>\n

The truncated line should read “scene on the castle staircase.”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2336, from hkenner, 101 chars, Mon Nov 4 16:01:08 1991
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\nAnd remember Beauty running toward you down that corridor, with
\nthe curtains waving in slow motion?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2337, from davemackey, 360 chars, Mon Nov 4 20:56:14 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2333.
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\nIt is very nice that the Disney people are lavishing this attention on
\nMaurice, whom many wouldn’t normally associate with Disney. And his candor re
\n“Who Framed Roger Rabbit” is refreshing, especially in the context of “Disney
\ncan do no wrong”. Good for Disney for doing this, and I’m sure Maurice had a
\nvery nice time.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2338, from hmccracken, 1110 chars, Mon Nov 4 22:21:04 1991
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\nTITLE: RIP, Heck Allen
\nA significant figure in animation history died on October 26th, and
\nalthough he received a lengthy obituary in the _Los Angeles Times_,
\nit neither made explicit mention of\u0001\u0017 his animation work or called
\nhim by the name animation fans would recognize him by. The man the
\nobituary called Will Henry, author of Western novels, was also
\nHeck Allen, the storyman who received credit on many of Tex Avery’s
\nbest cartoons (including some fine western-themed ones). While
\nAllen was interviewed by Joe Adamson for his Avery biography and
\npooh-poohed his contribution to Avery’s films there, Avery himself
\nwas generous in his praise of Allen’s work. (Allen was the brother
\nof Bob Allen, an animator and director who also worked at the
\nMGM animation studios, and said he got into animation only because
\nhis brother got him the job.)<\/p>\n

After leaving the cartoon business, Allen went on to become a successful
\nwriter of western novels under the Henry name and others; his work
\nincluded _No Survivors_, _McKenna’s Gold_, _Tom Horn_, and fifty
\nother books. Eight of his stories became films.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2339, from davemackey, 544 chars, Tue Nov 5 04:17:12 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2338.
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\nI am sorry to hear of the death of Henry “Heck” Allen. Maybe some forward-
\nthinking animation historians will bring this information to light to the
\nL.A. Times staff.
\nI’ve heard that Allen’s actual contributions to the films he worked on
\nwere basically sitting there and being a test audience for Avery’s gags,
\nthough he did get credit for some of MGM’s non-Avery cartoons in the 40’s.
\nAllen also had a couple of story credits at Lantz in the late 1940’s,
\nworking in tandem with Bugs Hardaway.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2340, from elfhive, 150 chars, Wed Nov 6 17:17:11 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2336.
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\nI do indeed. It is in fact a pity that Disney did not draw more
\ninspiration from the Cocteau film. I feel it is the definitive
\nrendering of the tale.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2341, from hkenner, 95 chars, Wed Nov 6 17:26:43 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2340.
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\nIf anyone finds a source for a video of the Cocteau B&B, please
\nlet me know. I want it.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2342, from mscoville, 416 chars, Thu Nov 7 21:30:14 1991
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\nTITLE: Beauty & The Beast
\nFirst, the national premiere of the movie Beauty and The Beast in November 22 as has been discussed earlier. It should
\nbe noted that there will be special premieres in both New York and Los Angles on Wednesday, November 13th. This
\nmight have been done to get the national press as well as the “big ” city reviews in before the release of American T
\nail II. I wonder??? mscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2343, from mscoville, 463 chars, Thu Nov 7 21:33:45 1991
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\nTITLE: Beast pre-reviews
\nI am not trying to be a Disney promotional manager, but I feel that all of the pre-review that has been going on in th
\nese messages has not only been negative, but also unfair in the sense that as far as I know none of us have seen the
\nfull movie. I am trying to save my judgement until I see the entire film and thethen if it is deserved I will let the
\nm have it. AAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHH, I just got off my soap box…sorry. mscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2344, from bcapps, 257 chars, Fri Nov 8 02:19:30 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2343.
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\nOn more Bea&Bea (sorry, just _HAD_ to use that!), the Wall Street Journal
\nreported on the same theme as the USA Today story, only in more detail with
\nthe other financials throw in, in the 11\/5 (Tuesday, I believe) issue. Check
\nyour local libs, folks!<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2345, from hmccracken, 458 chars, Fri Nov 8 14:32:10 1991
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\nPoint taken, Mike. With Disney animated features, especially,
\nmy preconceived notions often turn out to be mistaken.
\nI was really looking forward to _The Great Mouse Detective_,
\nbut didn’t like it at all; I thought _Oliver and Company_
\nand _Rescuers Down Under_ didn’t sound at all promising,
\nbut I enjoyed them a lot.<\/p>\n

I’ll be seeing _B&B_ a week from tomorrow, and will be
\nposting my impressions (with spoiler warnings if need
\nbe) at that time.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2346, from davemackey, 256 chars, Sat Nov 9 03:31:11 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2345.
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\nAgreed, Harry… I didn’t think “The Little Mermaid” was going to be any
\ngreat shakes until I saw some preview clips just before the premiere. I
\npledge to view “Beauty And The Beast” with as open a mind as possible.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2347, from bcapps, 165 chars, Sat Nov 9 03:37:25 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2346.
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\nWell, if you’re real curious about the story anyway, it is now available in
\ncomics form at fine comics retailers mostwheres. Just a note, if you can’t
\nwait…<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2348, from hmccracken, 277 chars, Sat Nov 9 20:55:02 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2346.
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\nI almost had the opposite reaction to _The Little Mermaid_: I might
\nhave liked it more if I hadn’t heard so many people say it was
\nan all-time classic and every bit the equal of _Snow White_ and
\n_Pinocchio_. A fine contemporary animated film, yes; a masterpiece,
\nno.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2349, from mscoville, 1016 chars, Sun Nov 10 01:57:17 1991
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\nTITLE: Disney: Art of Animation
\nI have just finished the book Disney’s Art of Animation: From Mickey Mouse to Beauty and the Beast. It is by Bob Thomas
\nwho wrote the original “Art of Animation in 1958. TINAR: It is a good book overall, with lots of the artwork from many<\/p>\n

of the Classics up to and including Beauty and the Beast. One of the nice touches of the book was the inclusion of t
\nhe many different people who made B & B. It is probably a way of setting up the legends of the next group of nine. I
\nt was still a nice touch. I enjoyed the book. As i kept reading the beginning which is about the early lore of Disney,
\nI couldn’t help that I would read any book on Disney if by chance it had some tidbit of new information. The early
\nhistory did not answer anything ner (the word should be new). The second half of the book deals with the different peo
\nple and departments which made B & B. I now have to go back and read the original book and will do a comparason in the
\nnear future. mscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2350, from hmccracken, 343 chars, Sun Nov 10 14:53:42 1991
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\nI saw the new book in a store today and was going to ask you if it
\nwas all-new or a rewrite and updating of the earlier one, Mike.
\nI’ll reserve comment on the book until I actually own and have
\nread it, except to note that the cover is animated (thanks to a
\nMickey Mouse animation that moves when you tilt the book back
\nand forth).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2351, from hkenner, 226 chars, Sun Nov 10 16:38:40 1991
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\nTITLE: Fantasia Video
\nOn the cassette I’ve just received from Whole Toon, the quality is
\nfirst-rate. Also the color is *lush*. Impossible to remember if
\nthe original looked like that back in ’40, but it looks good now.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2352, from hmccracken, 406 chars, Sun Nov 10 16:54:39 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2351.
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\nThe videos were struck from the new, restored version of the
\nfilm, which explains the excellent quality. Disney also seems
\nto have done an unusually good film-to-video transfer on
\nthe job — the studio’s standards are high, but I’ve been
\ndisappointed in the quality of one or two recent releases.
\nMy \u001b1\u001b11985 video of _Pinocchio_ has the finest film-to-video work
\nof any cassette I’ve ever seen.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2353, from jshook, 209 chars, Sun Nov 10 23:21:07 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2351.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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I distinctly remember being awash in surprisingly saturated hues
\nwhen viewing the most recent theatrical release of Fantasia. If,
\nas I suspect, Fantasia was shot in Technicolor, this is easy to
\nunderstand.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2354, from mscoville, 35 chars, Tue Nov 12 23:26:34 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2350.
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\nThe cover is a hologram. mscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2355, from mscoville, 252 chars, Tue Nov 12 23:29:00 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2353.
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\nWhen they remastered the new version, which is a compilation of 3 different versions. It seemed that when they struck t
\nhe positive print, they really laid on the intensity of the color. Is the video tape like this or did they tone it down
\n?
\nmscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2356, from hmccracken, 315 chars, Wed Nov 13 17:35:06 1991
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\nTITLE: Trivia Night I
\nHere in the Animation Conference, we’ll be celebrating Thanksgiving
\nwith a special Trivia Night edition of the weekly Tuesday-night
\nCBIX on Tuesday, November 26th. There will be questions, answers,
\nprizes for all attendees, and fun, so mark your calendars! More
\ninformation to come.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2357, from mscoville, 116 chars, Thu Nov 14 22:34:07 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2356.
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\nJust think, another Alex Trebec aka Harry. I think it will be a lot of fun and
\nlook forward to the event.mscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2358, from davemackey, 380 chars, Sat Nov 16 03:42:29 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2349.
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\nWho would you consider to be the new “nine old men” of Disney feature
\nanimation? I think that the current animation team is as knowledgable and
\ncaring about their work as were the Marc Davises and the Les Clarks and the
\nWard Kimballs and the Woolie Reithermans and so on. I would put the master
\nanimator Glen Keane at the top of this list.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2359, from hmccracken, 347 chars, Sat Nov 16 14:50:53 1991
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\nI’m not sure if there as many as nine “New Old Men” at the Disney
\nStudio, but Glen Keane, Hendel Butoy, Mark Henn, and Andreas
\nDeja might be called the “Four Young Men.” Like the Nine Old
\nMen, they’ve all received most of their training at Disney, all
\nmake major contributions to each new Disney animated feature, and
\nall are very good.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2360, from davemackey, 79 chars, Sat Nov 16 23:59:02 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2359.
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\nI might add Mike Gabriel to that list.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2361, from mscoville, 98 chars, Sun Nov 17 01:22:08 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2358.
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\nAfter you and everyone else has seen the movie (b&b) then we can discuss and compare. mscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2362, from davemackey, 270 chars, Tue Nov 19 19:40:25 1991
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\nTITLE: When is Thanksgiving anyway?
\nI love it when the dates of the “Thanksgiving” gag in Tex Avery’s “Holiday
\nHighlights” work out correctly so that they fall on Thursdays: November 21
\nfor Democrats, November 28 for Republicans.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2363, from hmccracken, 546 chars, Wed Nov 20 16:26:57 1991
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\nTITLE: Animation Trivia Night next Tuesday
\nNext Tuesday at 10pm EST, we’ll have our first Trivia Night in
\nthe Animation CBIX area. We’ll be posing cartoon\/comics questions —
\nsome easy, some tough — and you’ll have the opportunity to answer
\nthem. It should be a lot of fun.<\/p>\n

We’ll keep score for everyone, and the high scores will receive
\nprizes — cartoon books including _That’s Not All, Folks_,
\n_That’s All, Folks_, _Cel Magic_, and several others. Everyone
\nwho comes will get a door prize. Start sharpening your trivia
\nskills now!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2364, from davemackey, 180 chars, Thu Nov 21 22:49:46 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2363.
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\nIs this an open book test, professor? Is it going to be graded on a curve?
\nSeriously, I’m looking forward to it. It should be loads of fun.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2365, from hmccracken, 118 chars, Thu Nov 21 22:59:37 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2364.
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\nOpen book, and you can even let your friends help if they’re in the
\nroom. It should be a good time for all!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2366, from hmccracken, 380 chars, Mon Nov 25 22:08:21 1991
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\nTITLE: Check out the new _Entertainment Weekly_…
\nfor a nifty article on the editing that Disney made to the recent
\n_Fantasia_ video release to remove certain scenes of a Black
\ncentaurette character from the Pastoral Symphony. The article
\nactually includes a frame from the censored scene, and quotes
\n_Fantasia_ expert John Culhane and _Animato_ columnist Jim Korkis.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2367, from davemackey, 129 chars, Tue Nov 26 00:58:06 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2366.
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\nSo, then, the “Fantasia” tapes we’ve been buying have been discreetly
\naltered? Hmmmm….
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2368, from ianl, 51 chars, Wed Nov 27 01:36:21 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2366.
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Did the article say *why* the editing was done?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2369, from hmccracken, 294 chars, Wed Nov 27 09:50:27 1991
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\nIt’s a pretty offensive stereotype, Ian. The black centaurette
\nis a servant to the white ones who does things like giving
\ntheir hoofs shoe-shines. While in theory I’m opposed to such
\nediting, I can’t fault Disney that much in this case. Even
\nin 1940, it was a pretty unpleasant idea.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2370, from hmccracken, 1069 chars, Wed Nov 27 09:58:09 1991
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\nTITLE: The First Animation Trivia Night
\nThank you to all the good folks who turned out for our Trivia
\nNight last night! There were quite a few of us, and we had a
\ngood time and hung around chatting until well after midnight.
\nThe trivia contest itself was hard-fought, but in the end
\nhere’s who won and what they got:
\nFIRST PLACE: Dave Mackey (davemackey). Dave got three
\nbooks: _Cel Magic_, _Scientific Progress
\nGoes Boink_, and _Walt Disney’s America_.
\nSECOND PLACE: Bob Capps (bcapps). Bob won copies of
\n_Animation From Script to Screen_ and
\n_Walt Disney’s America_.
\nTHIRD PLACE: Mike and Pam Scoville (mscoville). Mike
\nand Pam get a book as well, the exact title
\nto be determined as soon as I locate one
\nwhich they don’t own yet.
\nEverybody else who participated is entitled to a copy of _Animato_
\nmagazine.<\/p>\n

Since the event was such a success, there will be more where it
\ncame from. Watch this space for details!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2371, from ianl, 112 chars, Wed Nov 27 18:55:32 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2369.
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Oh. Well, this is (::major sigh::) the politically-correct 90s, after all,
\nso I guess they felt they had to.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2372, from davemackey, 358 chars, Wed Nov 27 22:47:35 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2370.
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\nHarry, I think it would be a nice idea if you posted the questions in
\nlong.messages so that those among us who couldn’t attend (or stay the entire
\nevening) can test their knowledge. There were some questions that stymied me.
\nI can only hope that future Trivia Nights maintain the high standards set by
\nthis first one.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2373, from elfhive, 608 chars, Thu Nov 28 16:58:51 1991
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Stan Freberg
\nHad the privilege of spending a little over an hour with Stan Freberg at
\nan open “interview” at the Smithsonian National Portrait Gallery two weeks
\nago. It was delightful. The interviewer did very little talking but did
\nmanage to take Stan through highlights in his life starting with the
\nearly radio influences.
\nI learned that Freberg’s career started with a job at Termite Terrace
\ndoing voices with Mel Blanc. The story of how he got that job was
\nside-splitting.
\nTomorrow night, our local PBS station (WETA FM 91) is airing his first
\nnew radio show in years. I’m looking forward to it.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2374, from hmccracken, 56 chars, Fri Nov 29 14:30:04 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2372.
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\nWill do, Dave. Look for them early next week.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2375, from davemackey, 844 chars, Fri Nov 29 20:42:56 1991
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\nIt bears mentioning that Freberg has donated a collection of his commercial
\nwork to the Smithsonian. The museum will likely take note that Freberg was
\nthe first successful adman\/humorist, creator of some landmark campaigns
\nthat proved that humor could sell products and have paved the way for today’s
\npracticioners of the form such as Bert Berdis and Dick Orkin.
\nOne of Freberg’s better commercials was for Great American Soups (and I
\nforget just who made this product, may have been Campbell’s, I don’t know.)
\nThe housewife preparing dinner turns into dancer Ann Miller, who performs a
\nmajor Busby Berkeley song and dance number about how great these soups are.
\nAt the spot’s end, husband (played by Dave “Wacky Races” Willock) asks
\n“Honey, why do you always have to make dinner a big production?”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2376, from morganfox, 105 chars, Sat Nov 30 11:40:39 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2371.
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\nAll this is an issue of which I have giving a think that last few days.
\nWhy is Disney stuff so “White”?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2377, from hmccracken, 741 chars, Sat Nov 30 15:21:19 1991
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\nTITLE: Uncle Walt a Squealer?
\nYesterday’s _New York Daily News_ reports that someone named
\nMarc Eliot, the author of a forthcoming biography of Bruce
\nSpringsteen, is working on a biography of Walt Disney that
\nwill reveal that Walt was an FBI informant, had long-term
\nmistresses, and was born out of wedlock and was possibly
\nadopted.<\/p>\n

Now, on the first two charges, I have no evidence one way or
\nthe other. But Walt being either adopted or illegitimate seems
\nvery odd, considering that he had several older brothers and
\nthat a quick check of Disney family pictures reveals that all
\nthe male members of the clan look strikingly like each other.
\nMaybe Walt was the offspring of an unmarried sibling of one
\nof his parents? Who knows?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2379, from rcook, 61 chars, Sun Dec 1 02:37:15 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2377.
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\nSounds like the unauthorized biographers strike again.
\n–RC<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2380, from elfhive, 602 chars, Sun Dec 1 14:02:12 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2375.
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\nI remember Freberg saying the Orkin got his start with Freberg’s company,
\nI don’t remember whether Berdis did or not. I had a friend, Richard
\nProctor, who used to work at Orkin’s Radio Ranch in the mid-seventies.
\nI have unfortunately lost track of him. He was a terrific radio script
\nwriter and I worked in a stand-up comedy group with him for a while.
\nI wish that I would have had the opportunity to do voices for animation
\nback in those days (heck, even today!) but the closest I came, I guess
\nis about a hundred narrations for educational filmstrips \ud83d\ude42
\nThat technology is pretty much obsolete now!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2381, from hmccracken, 218 chars, Sun Dec 1 21:27:56 1991
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\nSome fine and funny, underappreciated comedy is done for radio
\nspots. I went into a brief period of mourning when Volkswagen
\nrecently dumped a funny radio campaign in favor of bland stuff<\/p>\n

with Dudley Moore.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2382, from davemackey, 824 chars, Mon Dec 2 07:56:13 1991
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\nTITLE: Tweety and Sylvester get their own book
\nNow on the shelves at your local bookstore: “I Tawt I Taw A Puddy Tat,” by
\nJerry Beck. Published by Henry Holt, this is a companion piece to similar
\nbooks by Steve Schneider and Joe Adamson about Warner Bros. animation and its
\ncharacters. The book’s strong point is its display of WB animation art and
\nframe stills representing every cartoon that either Sylvester or Tweety
\nappeared in, most of which are from the Schneider, Glad and Clampett
\ncollections. Its weakest suit: almost direct lift of filmographies and
\nsynopses from Beck’s own “Looney Tunes And Merrie Melodies” with no attempt
\nmade to correct spelling and factual errors the previous book is known to
\ncontain. The book lists for $35. (TINAR)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2383, from davemackey, 597 chars, Mon Dec 2 07:56:30 1991
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\nI remember that both Orkin and Berdis had their own company for many years
\ncalled Dick and Bert, later splitting up into Dick Orkin’s Radio Ranch and
\nBert, Barz and Kirby. So it’s not impossible that Berdis would have been
\ninfluenced by Freberg in some way.
\nBy the way, when you narrated those filmstrips, did you also have to
\nmake that “beep” noise that told us A\/V club dweebs when to advance to the
\nnext frame? \ud83d\ude09 (Yes, it’s true, I was an A\/V dweeb… in first grade I
\nlearned how to operate a Bell & Howell manual thread. I loved that
\nprojector.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2384, from davemackey, 365 chars, Mon Dec 2 08:16:19 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2381.
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\nThat old VW campaign was engineered and narrated by Thom Sharp, who is quite
\nfrankly a little overexposed right now. (And speaking of overexposed: I
\nheard Lorenzo Music on yet another spot today, this time for Tott’s Brut,
\ntrying to convince someone to buy a threadbare Christmas tree on Christmas
\neve for half price ($80).)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2385, from hmccracken, 232 chars, Mon Dec 2 09:41:49 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2384.
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\nSharp is overexposed but funny. Like Lorenzo Music, he’s also
\nspawned a legion of folks who sound like him and also do ads.
\nSears Roebuck has used both the real Sharp and at least two
\nsoundalikes over the last year or so.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2386, from elfhive, 187 chars, Mon Dec 2 18:51:18 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2383.
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\nThey had a guy come over from Hollywood to do those “beeps” but they had
\nto fire him because all he kept doing was “meep! meep!” \ud83d\ude42
\nand we both know what that can do to A\/V club dweebs!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2387, from hmccracken, 497 chars, Tue Dec 3 10:06:54 1991
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\nTITLE: Cartoons in _TV Guide_
\nCheck out the current TV Guide for a cover that features Winnie
\nthe Pooh and Opus the Penguin, spotlighting interior stories on
\nthe season’s crop of holiday specials and on the new _Bloom
\nCounty_ special. _TV Guide_ covers with cartoon themes must
\nsell well, since they do them quite often (and even put non-
\ntelevision subjects like _Beauty and the Beast_ on them).
\nCoincidentally, the new editor of _TV Guide_ is named Disney.
\nNo relation that I know of.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2388, from hmccracken, 79 chars, Tue Dec 3 10:07:10 1991
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\nTITLE: _Beauty and the Beast_
\nAny comments? Anyone else seen it yet?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2389, from paulr, 690 chars, Tue Dec 3 10:54:18 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2388.
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\nYEah- B&B is a *real* winner. It has all the earmarks of a real hot number;
\neasily as good as the Little Mermaid, though with all the snow and such,
\nit is well times for a winter release.<\/p>\n

The only think that was even slighty distracting enough to pull me out of the
\nillusion spun bythe movie was the guy who did beast overacted something
\nterrible. (yuck!) The beast’s animation was superb, and I fancy I could
\npick out where the animator (Glen Keane?) made the character do some
\namazing things to make the (imho) poor voice acting become a background
\nproblem.<\/p>\n

Beauty was perfect, but my favorite was the TeaPot (i.e. Angela Lansbury).
\nThe teapot even *looked* like her. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

-Paul<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2390, from bferg, 250 chars, Tue Dec 3 14:33:55 1991
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\nI have seen it, was quite delightfully impressed, indeed.
\nI found the detail, color, precision, characterizations,
\nmusic, voices, “kid’s” appeal, continuity, story, warmth,
\nbelievability and the movie ALL to my liking!<\/p>\n

I stand and applaud!<\/p>\n

Barbara<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2391, from davemackey, 415 chars, Tue Dec 3 21:01:54 1991
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\nAnthea Disney, new editor-in-chief of TV Guide, is to my knowledge not from
\nthat other famous Disney family, but I do know she came to TV Guide by way of
\nanother Murdoch enterprise — she was in charge of news at the New York City
\nFox station, WNYW-TV.
\nBy the way, I wasn’t aware of a Bloom County special — might this be an
\nadaptation of “A Wish For Wings That Work”?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2392, from davemackey, 100 chars, Tue Dec 3 21:02:02 1991
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\nI haven’t, to be quite frank. Money has just been so tight.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2393, from hmccracken, 175 chars, Tue Dec 3 21:59:19 1991
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\nYes, the Bloom County special is an atation of Breathed’s
\n_Wish For Wings That Work_ book. Or it may be that the book
\nis an adaptation of the special; I’m not sure.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2394, from elfhive, 755 chars, Tue Dec 3 23:32:48 1991
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\nEnjoyed it although I suspect it will not enjoy the success of Little
\nMermaid at the box office. Hard to quantify because it is everybit as
\ncompetent technically, if not more so.<\/p>\n

Saw a “making of” special on the Disney Channel that featured a short
\npiece on the ballroom dancing sequence without giving away how it was
\ndone (probably considered too technical by the producer). In brief, it
\nlooks like Pixar did a computer animation of the room with a camera
\n“flight” sequence from high up, circling the chandelier and then
\ncoming down to about knee level if I recall. Keeping the animated
\ncharacters moving and in perspective was a breathtaking breakthrough
\nin visual animation. Never let it be said that the Disney boys don’t
\nwork hard for their money!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2395, from rcook, 128 chars, Wed Dec 4 00:27:35 1991
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\nI think you’re right. I saw some clips of that scene that
\nhad the wireframe of the ballroom up on the workstation screen.
\n–RC<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2396, from davemackey, 250 chars, Wed Dec 4 12:23:39 1991
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\nDisney is very close-mouthed when admitting that a lot of their current
\nfeature animation is accomplished with computers. They’d like you to believe
\nthat they’re still doing it the way the Nine Old Men did it.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2397, from elfhive, 200 chars, Wed Dec 4 14:08:43 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2396.
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\nThe program host, David Ogden Stiers (who played Cogsworth and was also
\nrecently featured on the Stan Freberg radio hour), was quite candid
\nabout the use of computers in the ballroom animation scene.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2398, from rcook, 480 chars, Wed Dec 4 16:34:03 1991
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\nWell, some of it is and a lot of it isn’t. Get a copy of
\nthe current issue of Computer Graphics World.
\nI just got mine today and the discussion of how some of the
\nscenes in B&B were done is fascinating. A lot of the backgrounds
\nand vehicles were done on SGI workstations.
\nOne of the most interesting pictures shows a chandelier
\nswinging at the end of a chain. The background and the chain are
\nobviously computer generated and the chandelier looks as if it
\nwas hand drawn.
\n–RC<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2399, from olson, 210 chars, Thu Dec 5 05:17:31 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2277.
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\nVery astute summation of what’s wrong with this segment. Nealon is
\na “comedians’ comedian”, if you’ve ever seen his imaginative stand-up
\nact. I couldn’t figure why it was going wrong until I saw your posting.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2400, from olson, 271 chars, Thu Dec 5 05:21:58 1991
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\nNo, but Einstein’s favorite TV performer was Milton Berle, whom
\nhe would watch every Tuesday night without fail. (See Einstein: The
\nLife and Times.)
\nAnd Samuel Beckett’s favorite past-time was dancing the “Twist”
\nto Chubby Checkers records (see “Beckett”). Go figure.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2401, from olson, 11 chars, Thu Dec 5 05:27:14 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2291.
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\nWell said.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2402, from bferg, 183 chars, Thu Dec 5 10:05:22 1991
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\nTITLE: BaB
\nGot ahold of the Beauty and the Beast Soundtrack and it is
\ndelightful to listen to. Has some dialog in it, to give
\nit a feel of being from a movie.<\/p>\n

Recommended!<\/p>\n

Barbara<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2403, from hmccracken, 124 chars, Thu Dec 5 10:18:42 1991
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\nI’ve also heard that Einstein loved the _Time for Beany_ puppet
\nshow, created by Warner Bros. great Bob Clampett.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2404, from hmccracken, 128 chars, Thu Dec 5 10:19:53 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2398.
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\nDoes the article discuss Disney’s CAPS (Computer Assisted Painting
\nSystem) process, which eliminates the use of cels?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2405, from rcook, 158 chars, Fri Dec 6 02:35:40 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2404.
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\nNo. In fact it said that the cels were hand painted. However
\nthat’s just a throwaway comment and I don’t know how much
\nsupport the author had for that.
\n–RC<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2406, from hkenner, 346 chars, Sat Dec 7 11:37:59 1991
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\nTITLE: Roman date
\nThe new Whole Toon Catalogue reproduces a poster for *The Little
\nInjun that Could* (starring Baby Herman and Roger Rabbit) with
\nthe copright date “MCMXXLVIII,” which is wholly incoherent.
\nAnyone know what date they were trying to represent? Anyone see
\nincome possibilities in free-lancing as a Roman Numeral Consultant?
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2407, from switch, 255 chars, Sat Dec 7 14:04:20 1991
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\nAt a guess, I’d say they’re representing 1938.<\/p>\n

Now, if Mrs. Croney could teach a bunch of irresponsible grade
\n7 kids in my class to properly use Roman numerals (and to think
\nin numerical bases from 2 to 16), why can’t anyone else seem to
\nget them right?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2408, from hkenner, 70 chars, Sat Dec 7 14:28:38 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2407.
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\nYes, I thought of 1938. But was there a Roger Rabbit back then?
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2409, from switch, 137 chars, Sat Dec 7 15:19:02 1991
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\nNo, but I believe the Roger posters all sport Hollywood-cartoon-era
\ndates. (And isn’t the new movie taking place before the war?)<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2410, from hkenner, 114 chars, Sat Dec 7 16:44:40 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2409.
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\nBut but but, Emru, that calls itself a *copyright* date. Unless
\nsuch notations no longer mean anything. …
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2411, from switch, 199 chars, Sat Dec 7 16:52:24 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2410.
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\n…unless they deliberately didn’t want it to mean anything, in
\nwhich case they stuck in a false Roman numeral?<\/p>\n

Wild guess. Who knows? Anyone got one of the other RR movie
\nposters to check?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2412, from hmccracken, 500 chars, Sat Dec 7 19:46:05 1991
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\nThose Roger Rabbit posters in the _Whole Toon Catalog_ are all phonies
\nwhich were originally shown on the walls of Maroon Cartoons in
\n_Who Framed Roger Rabbit_. The “Maroon Productions” copyright notice
\nis completely false; the real copyright would be held by Disney\/
\nAmblin. I’m guessing here, but maybe it’s OK to use a fake copyright
\nmessage if the date shown is meaningless. (I know that _Who Framed
\nRoger Rabbit_ begins with a Maroon (c) message, but I can’t recall
\nwhat the date is.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2413, from davemackey, 1071 chars, Sat Dec 7 20:22:18 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2409.
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\nI have always assumed the dates on those Roger Rabbit posters to be around
\n1947-1948 judging from the era in which the movie was set — Maroon would
\nprobably be inclined to hang posters from his most recent animated works in
\nhis office. Methinks that they stuck an extra X in the roman numeral, and
\nquite frankly this has kept me from purchasing these posters because of my
\nfanaticism for accuracy. But I earn a No-Prize by explaining that the Maroon
\nartists were reenacting a real incident in which a copyright date was
\nsimilarly mangled on the main title of a cartoon.
\nThere exists a Popeye cartoon entitled “Wigwam Whoopee” which has
\nan incorrect copyright date in Roman numerals: MCMXVLIII (the cartoon was
\ncopyright in 1948). The Paramount cartoon studio decided to go to regular
\nArabic numerals on their main title cards soon thereafter, but did resume the
\nuse of Roman numerals again in 1955.
\nWhy anyone still uses Roman numerals on copyright notices is beyond me.
\nHey, folks, it’s almost MCMXCII… get modern!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2414, from ianl, 162 chars, Sat Dec 7 21:29:39 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2413.
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Just think…soon it will be MM. Then folks will start wondering why a
\ncandy company is copyrighting films, and they’ll wonder why the date
\nisn’t there. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2415, from hmccracken, 696 chars, Sat Dec 7 23:07:09 1991
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\nTITLE: Warner Bros. Classic Animation to Close
\nI’ve just heard the sad news that Warner Bros. Classic
\nAnimation, the group responsible for the very good
\nBugs Bunny cartoon _Box Office Bunny_ \u001baand several
\nother projects, will close at the end of the year.
\n(This will not affect _Tiny Toon Adventures_ and
\n_Taz-Mania_, which are produced by another Warner Bros.
\nbranch.)<\/p>\n

Fortunately, the Classic Animation division completed
\nseveral TV projects which have yet to air, so we’ll be
\nseeing work from them after the closing. But it’s very sad
\nthat they’ll be gone; rarely have classic cartoon characters
\nbeen revived with as much class as Bugs & Co. were in
\nWB Classic Animation’s works.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2416, from switch, 126 chars, Sat Dec 7 23:24:00 1991
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\nThat’s too bad! And here I was hoping for a new Warner cartoon
\non a regular basis, like days of old. Any reasons why?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2417, from davemackey, 362 chars, Sun Dec 8 08:36:51 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2412.
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\nThe Maroon Cartoon “Something’s Cooking” also had a fake Warner Bros.-style
\nrelease number, and the main title card carried a fictitious MPAA certificate
\nnumber. I’d have to go back and look at the exact numbers and figure out if
\nthey correspond to any actual cartoons. But I do remember its copyright date
\nas being 1947.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2418, from davemackey, 104 chars, Sun Dec 8 08:36:59 1991
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\nWhat a shame. Not as tragic as 1963, but a shame just the same.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2419, from tsin, 68 chars, Sun Dec 8 10:42:55 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2407.
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\nHmmmm….Could it be that you did not attend school in the USA? \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2420, from davemackey, 606 chars, Sun Dec 8 13:28:22 1991
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\nTITLE: Spielberg the collector
\nAn article by Rita Reif in today’s “New York Times” reveals that Steven
\nSpielberg has an animation art collection with over 400 pieces. The two
\njewels of his collection: setups from “The Orphan’s Benefit” (purchased for
\n$121,000 at Christie’s in 1988) and “The Mail Pilot” ($115,000 at Sotheby’s
\nin 1990). Spielberg also picked up “Rosebud” from “Citizen Kane” in ’82
\nfor a mere $60,500.
\nThe article also notes George Lucas’ interest in animation art as part
\nof a more ranging collection that the producer is reluctant to discuss.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2421, from hmccracken, 260 chars, Sun Dec 8 13:46:22 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2416.
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\nWell, I suppose the reason most businesses fail is because
\nthey’re not profitable. However, since Warner Bros. hasn’t
\ndone very much with most of the stuff Warner Classic Animation
\nhas produced, the division hasn’t gotten a very fair test in
\na way.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2422, from elfhive, 303 chars, Mon Dec 9 01:01:01 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2403.
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\nFreberg worked with Clampett on _Beany_ and confirms the story that
\nit was one of Einstein’s favorite shows. The story he tells is that
\nEinstein stood up at a scientific conference one afternoon, looked
\nat his watch, and announced “Excuse me, Gentlement, but it is time
\nfor Beany!”. Then he walked out.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2423, from mscoville, 284 chars, Mon Dec 9 22:12:54 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2415.
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\nHarry, are you saying that the entire division is closing down or is it just
\nthe eat coast division which is, according to rumor , moving to the west coast.
\nThey will be working under the west coast banner, but will continue to operate.At least that is what I have heard. msco
\nville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2424, from mscoville, 947 chars, Mon Dec 9 22:21:41 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2420.
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\nMr. Spielberg may be entering the auction den once again to bid for a Snow White cel and backgournd set up. The piece,
\nwhich is beautiful, is estimated in the
\n40,000-60,000 range, but the word on the street thinks that the final hammer
\nprice could reach between 250,000-300,000. It will be interesting to see if
\nthis indeed happens and who the victor will be. It appears that all the heavy
\nhitters including Mr. Spielberg will be vying for the right to ownership. Also,
\nMr. Spielberg has brought 100 pieces from “The Land Before Time” and “American
\nTail”. Many collectors have expressed displeasure because he offered very few
\noriginal backgrouds while 70% have reproduction backgrounds. The collectors
\nfeel this unfair and when are they going to get the chance to have some of the
\ntruly beautful artwork from the movie. They also say that, please tell me
\nthat Mr. Spielberg has reproduction bgs. in his collection…..(I doubt It)
\nmscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2425, from jshook, 196 chars, Mon Dec 9 22:25:58 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2424.
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If you’re referring to the upcoming sale at Christie’s, the estimates I
\nhave read are $6,000-$8,000 for a Snow White cel (lot 64) and a Mickey
\nMouse cel from 1935 (lot 205) for $10,000-$15,000.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2426, from hmccracken, 139 chars, Mon Dec 9 22:38:44 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2423.
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\nUnless they’e been granted a last-minute reprieve, both
\nthe East Coast and West Coast offices will close at the
\nend of the year.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2427, from switch, 291 chars, Mon Dec 9 23:20:09 1991
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\nTITLE: Penn & Teller
\nOkay, so Penn Jillette has a credit for the bongo drums in the
\nshort _Oral Hygiene_. Teller was one of the voice actors for
\n_Light Years_. Can anyone think of any other animation-related
\nwork these two clowns have done? (This is for a potential _fps_
\narticle.)<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2428, from davemackey, 473 chars, Tue Dec 10 06:24:47 1991
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\nTeller does animation voices? That’s strange, since he generally never talked
\nat all for the longest time in his stage act and interviews.
\nI don’t know if Penn has any time to do animation voiceovers these days
\nsince his newest and most prolific assignment: on the U.S. cable channel
\n“Comedy Central” he now does all of the promotional voiceovers. (I think he
\nstill writes the “Micro Mephisto” column for PC Computing as well.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2429, from ianl, 308 chars, Tue Dec 10 06:32:19 1991
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I think there’s a Penn & Teller BBS system, too, although I don’t have
\nthe number. I just remember someone once mentioning that after logging on
\nto their system, the ‘help’ line at the bottom of the first screen says
\n“Hit CTL-ALT-DEL to continue…”. Apparently they catch a few folks with it.
\n\ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2430, from switch, 97 chars, Tue Dec 10 08:17:26 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2429.
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\nI’ve got the number (from sf\/media, I think), but I’ve been
\ntrying to justify having it \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2431, from hmccracken, 166 chars, Tue Dec 10 09:55:04 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2427.
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\nPenn and Teller are Amiga enthusiasts and have appeared in a
\npromotional video for NewTek’s Video Toaster, if that counts
\nas an animation-related activity.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2432, from hmccracken, 98 chars, Tue Dec 10 09:56:11 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2428.
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\nPenn still does his _PC Computing_ column, and it’s still funny
\nand well worth reading.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2433, from morganfox, 186 chars, Tue Dec 10 10:19:14 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2429.
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\nYes, there is a BBS. Paul got the number and called it a while ago. He had
\nalot of fun the first (and only ) time he logged on. It seemed to be as wild
\nand as crazy as you might expect.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2434, from hmccracken, 709 chars, Thu Dec 12 00:41:58 1991
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\nUpdate on Warner Bros. Classic Animation: they’re definitely
\nclosing — both East and West Coast branches — on Dec. 30th.
\nThe talented Darrell van Citters of the West Coast offices may
\nkeep his job.<\/p>\n

As a sidelight to this sad story, I was lucky enough to visit the
\nWest Coast office back in 1988 (oddly enough it’s in the DIC
\nbuilding, home of the schlocky animation studio). The place *looked*
\nlike an animation studio should, with fantastic murals of all
\nthe Warner characters on the walls, a Road Runner arcade game set
\nfor free plays in the lobby, and other great touches (like a mouth-
\nwatering video library of Warner cartoons). I dearly hope that they
\ndon’t destroy those wonderful murals.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2435, from hmccracken, 338 chars, Thu Dec 12 15:22:46 1991
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\nTITLE: See the current _Entertainment Weekly_…
\nfor a long, terrific article on the making of _Beauty and the Beast_
\n(with a great sidebar on some of the films it “quotes”), as well
\nas an interview with Art Spiegleman in which he says that Steven
\nSpielberg swiped the idea for _An American Tail_ from his _Maus_
\ngraphic novel.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2436, from sharonfisher, 77 chars, Thu Dec 12 15:44:36 1991
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\nArt said that when the first American Tail came out.
\nI think he has a point.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2437, from mscoville, 769 chars, Fri Dec 13 21:12:21 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2424.
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\nThe auction that I was refering to was the one to be held at Sotheby’s on
\nSaturday. The auction results for Christie’s were ok, but not earth shattering.
\nThe did a little over a million, but had projected to do about 1.7 million. It
\nseems that the high end items did not move as well as a dull showing for the
\nSteven Spielberg pieces. Many pieces from The Land Before Time sold at the low
\nend of the estimate and just about the reserve. At to Fievel, well he passed
\na lot. It seems that the public was not interested in reproduction backgrounds
\nat the price they wanted. Maybe it will encourage the marketers to come to
\nthese auctions and give the collector a chance to buy some very good art
\ninstead of the stuff that they would normally have thrown out. mscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2438, from mscoville, 244 chars, Fri Dec 13 21:13:56 1991
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\nI will have to check this one out, because I had been told that the East Coast
\nwas moving and taking a number of people with them to be absorbed into the
\nWest Coast operation. Not one mention was made of the West Coast closing up.
\nmscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2439, from hmccracken, 96 chars, Fri Dec 13 23:52:42 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2438.
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\nMy information is fresh and came from an employee of the studio, but
\nyou neer know…
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2440, from hmccracken, 466 chars, Sat Dec 14 15:31:12 1991
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\nTITLE: Betty Boop a Legend, Says Mackie
\nFamous fashion designer Bob Mackie has created a series of outfits
\ninspired by eight women of the twentieth century whom he considers
\nto be legends. The honored ladies include Lucille Ball, Rita
\nHayworth, Billie Holiday — and Betty Boop! The CNN fashion news
\nshow _Style With Elsa Klensch_ showed a brief shot of the Boop-
\ninspired outfit, which (not surprisingly) looked an awful lot
\nlike Betty’s own black dress.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2441, from hmccracken, 105 chars, Mon Dec 16 15:29:03 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2436.
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\nWell, maybe. They’re both about Jewish mice, but the flavor is
\ncertainly *entirely* different.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2442, from davemackey, 442 chars, Mon Dec 16 16:23:21 1991
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\nTITLE: Hard times at H-B
\nIt’s unhappy holidays at Hanna-Barbera. The day after federal regulators
\napproved the sale of the animation studio and its library to Turner
\nEntertainment, more than 100 staffers were given termination notices. The
\nstaff cutbacks do not affect animation production, however, and address H-B’s
\nperipheral enterprises. David Kirschner is remaining on as Chief Executive
\nOfficer.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2443, from davemackey, 601 chars, Tue Dec 17 19:03:18 1991
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\nTITLE: USA Today stuff
\nThere was a plethora of comics and animation related stuff in today’s edition
\nof “USA Today”: a preview of tomorrow’s comic book and comic art auction in
\nNew York City (presented in comic form), a piece on the HBO “Tintin” animated
\nseries, a profile of veteran caricaturist Al Hirschfeld, a sidebar about the
\ncurrent caricaturist at Sardi’s (theatre district restaurant) in New York
\nCity, and the fact that the box that “The Thing” used to stick his hand out
\nof on the original “Addams Family” TV series just went for $20,000 at
\nauction.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2444, from elfhive, 67 chars, Tue Dec 17 21:35:36 1991
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\nIs the HBO “Tintin” a new series or the original French animation?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2445, from hmccracken, 82 chars, Tue Dec 17 21:58:42 1991
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\nA new series, animated by Nela\\\/ana (my “\\\/” key is broken!) in
\nCanada.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2446, from mscoville, 156 chars, Tue Dec 17 23:00:46 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2442.
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\nSome trades are reporting that number to be 150. As yo said it did not affect
\neither the production department nor the animation art department. mscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2447, from mscoville, 208 chars, Tue Dec 17 23:02:26 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2443.
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\nMany have spoken to me over the course of the last few weeks and their consensus is that the estimates are extremely hi
\ngh. It will be interesting to see if they come close over the estmated value. mscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2448, from mscoville, 69 chars, Tue Dec 17 23:03:42 1991
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\nThe \\\/ is also broken in the USA. Sorry I couldn’t resist. mscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2449, from davemackey, 338 chars, Wed Dec 18 03:54:06 1991
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\nAs I’ve probably mentioned before, there was a version done in the late
\n1960’s\/early 1970’s by the French studio Tele-Hachette, and those films were
\npicked up for broadcast in the US beginning in 1971 (they were shown on
\nChannel 7 in New York, for example). I remember them, but not all that well.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2450, from hmccracken, 171 chars, Wed Dec 18 11:59:36 1991
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\nI’ve never seen them, but I have a French comic album that’s illustrated
\nwith stills from one of the stories, and the drawing style looks very
\nclose to Herge’s.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2451, from bcapps, 433 chars, Thu Dec 19 22:56:29 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2450.
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\nI’ve seen them. A few scenes in each episode are smoothly animated. A lot
\nof the fading scenes between cuts look frozen ala a freeze-frame button on a
\nVCR – kinda wierd. There are also a few “mouth-moves” only scenes.<\/p>\n

Overall, though, good coloring throughout — much like the books, enough
\nmovement and action to keep young eyes entertained along with the wonderful
\nstories. A thumbs-up from this corner.<\/p>\n

Bob
\n(oh yeah, TINAR)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2452, from davemackey, 248 chars, Sun Dec 22 15:54:22 1991
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\nTITLE: Belated birthday wish
\nAlthough this is a little late, happy birthday wishes to the great Paul
\nWinchell, ventriloquist, veteran kids show host, cartoon voice, inventor
\nand tinkerer, born Dec. 21, 1922.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2453, from davemackey, 355 chars, Mon Dec 23 18:45:15 1991
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\nTITLE: Disney animator in brochure spotlight
\nThought you’d like to know dept.: In the latest Disney\/MGM Studios Theme Park
\nbrochure (dated 0491), the two-page spread on the Animation Studio Tour
\nprominently features a photo of Disney animator Barry Temple working on a
\ndrawing of Belle from “Beauty And The Beast.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2454, from davemackey, 550 chars, Mon Dec 23 18:45:29 1991
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\nThe number as reported by “Electronic Media” and “Broadcasting” magazines was
\n115. “Electronic Media” also noted that security guards were posted at the
\nstudio and each personal item of former studio employees had to be signed out
\nof the studio to make sure no Hanna-Barbera equipment was taken.
\nAbout the highest-ranking HB official to lose his job was Martyn
\nWeinberg, executive vice-president and chief operating officer, who was said
\nto be in frequent disagreement with president\/CEO David Kirschner.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2455, from hkenner, 103 chars, Mon Dec 23 19:04:27 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2454.
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\nAnd they checked the executive vice-president to be sure he wasn’t
\nstealing some pencil or other?
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2456, from davemackey, 211 chars, Tue Dec 24 19:00:55 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2434.
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\nFrom the grapevine: the most recent word I’ve heard about the WB closing is
\nthat everybody’s going to be gone; not even the great Darrell Van Citters is
\ngoing to stay on.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2457, from davemackey, 229 chars, Tue Dec 24 19:01:05 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2393.
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\nOld news, but you know my policy: No Query Left Unanswered. The television
\nspecial carried a title slide noting that it was an adaptation of the book by
\nBerkeley Breathed. So now you know.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2458, from davemackey, 1513 chars, Mon Dec 30 18:13:03 1991
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\nTITLE: Ted Turner Time
\nAs most everyone knows by now, Ted Turner has been chosen as Time Magazine’s
\nMan Of The Year for 1991.
\nThough no mention in the article was made of his animation-related
\nexploits (which, quite frankly, aren’t as important to Time as Running CNN
\nand Marrying Jane Fonda, the latter of which he did on December 21), there’s
\nenough evidence to suggest he could be Animation’s Man Of The Year. Not only
\ndo his cable networks air an extraordinary amount of animated programming
\nfrom his library (he’ll start 1992 with an unprecedented 18-hour cartoon
\nmarathon on TNT), he came a step closer to achieving every animation fan’s
\ndream — an all-cartoon cable TV channel — when he acquired Hanna-Barbera
\nProductions and its library this past Fall. Though some jobs were cut, Turner
\ncannily kept the production unit intact and retained David Kirschner as
\nPresident\/CEO.
\nThe cartoon series his company co-produces don’t always hit the mark,
\nbut one, “Tom And Jerry Kids” (based on Turner-owned characters) turned out
\nto be so appealing that Joe Barbera himself decided to return to active
\ncartoon production duties for the first time in almost 20 years on the show’s
\nsecond season. And Fox Network has just committed to a third season of
\nepisodes, this time as a Monday through Friday strip.
\nAs the above evidence shows, Ted Turner clearly has a great deal of
\ninfluence over the world’s animation viewing habits, both now and for years
\nto come.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2459, from hmccracken, 520 chars, Mon Dec 30 23:14:32 1991
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\nWhile one Turner-Time Warner connection has been mentioned in reports
\non Turner getting the Man of the Year title — Time Warner owns a
\nminority interest in CNN — it’s also true that Ted owns the rights
\nto all the Warner Bros. cartoons that Warner foolishly sold the rights
\nto years ago. So I see _Time_ giving Turner the title as an obvious
\nattempt to cadge him into selling Warner Bros. back the rights to
\nits cartoons — either that or an attempt to get his new wife\\
\ninterested in making _Barbarella II_!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2460, from hmccracken, 1109 chars, Tue Dec 31 13:17:43 1991
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\nTITLE: Sheldon Mayer, R.I.P.
\nSheldon Mayer, cartoonist and editor, died last week at the age of
\n74. Mayer’s work as a cartoonist for DC Comics from the 1930s until
\nthe 1980s included _Scribbly_, an autobiographical series about a
\nboy cartoonist; _Sugar & Spike_, a long-running series about toddlers
\nthat was his best-known work; and many funny-animal series with
\ntitles like Doodles Duck and Dizzy Dog. Mayer’s work was funny, full
\nof humanity, and well-drawn; he has received only a fraction of the
\nattention he should have. Coincidentally, DC plans to publish _Sugar
\nand Spike_ #99, the first new issue of that comic in more than twenty
\nyears, in January. It will be made up of previously-unpublished material.<\/p>\n

While Mayer’s own cartooning was his greatest accomplishment, it should
\nalso be noted that it was he, as an editor at DC Comics in the late 1930s,
\nwho was fundamental in the decision to publish Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster’s
\n_Superman_, thereby creating an industry. Mayer was also involved in the
\nearly days of Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, and other well-known superhero
\ncharacters.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2461, from davemackey, 342 chars, Tue Dec 31 20:41:40 1991
\nThis is a comment to message 2459.
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\n“Barbarella II”? I think we’re more likely to see Jane play “finely aged
\nBrie” again… \ud83d\ude09
\nAnyway I don’t see Ted Turner turning back the Warner Bros. library any
\ntime soon; if anything, one wishes that Ted would purchase all the rest of
\nthe WB cartoon inventory for more variety in programming.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2462, from davemackey, 271 chars, Sat Jan 4 21:21:23 1992
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\nTITLE: Bugs now in paperback
\nJoe Adamson’s excellent chronicle of Bugs Bunny’s career is now available in
\ntrade paperback. Henry Holt\/Owl Books has issued “Bugs Bunny: Fifty Years And
\nOnly One Grey Hare”, listing for twenty bucks.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2463, from switch, 1405 chars, Wed Jan 8 22:27:06 1992
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\nLast week I got to see more animation than I typically do, owing
\nto the presence of a TV set. But before I get to that, some words
\non what I saw on the Big Screen:<\/p>\n

_Beauty and the Beast_ was, simply put, a masterpiece. I do believe
\nthis has supplanted _Fantasia_ as my favorite Disney film, largely
\non the basis of the fact that it held my attention for the entire
\nfilm. Even _Fantasia_ has periods where I get bored. _Beauty
\nand the Beast_ was wonderfully done, utilizing Disney’s strength
\n— character animation — to the hilt as Lumiere, Cogsworth, Mrs.
\nPotts and other “inanimate” objects were brought to life, each
\nwith a distinct personality (my favorite’s Lumiere). I thought
\nthe Beast was simply spectacular, in design and movement.<\/p>\n

I have only two minor nits to pick: the much-hyped ballroom scene
\ndidn’t do much for me. I probably wouldn’t worry about this if
\nit weren’t for the fact that I heard so much about how amazing it
\nwas. When I saw it, I thought, “Oh, look — a texture-mapped
\nseries of pillars. Not bad.” People have been doing that for
\ntoo long to impress me anymore. I found the dancing (and the
\nsong) in that sequence far more powerful. My second nit is, if
\npossible, more trivial: there is only one mispronounced French
\nword in the whole film: “Gaston”. For this bilingual fan, it
\nwas irritating as all hell. Set my ear on edge, it did.<\/p>\n

More next message…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2464, from switch, 799 chars, Wed Jan 8 22:46:46 1992
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\n…anyway, before the movie there was a trailer for _Ferngully:
\nThe Last Rain Forest_. Conflict of interest here: based on the
\ntrailer, the film is rather well done (which studio was responsible?
\nI forgot), but it seems to me the environmental message will be
\nabout as subtle as Desert Storm. I thought the _Jetsons_ movie’s
\nenvironmental message was overdone; this will probably have me
\nfleeing for the movie-sickness bags. Oh, well.<\/p>\n

_An American Tail: Fievel Goes West_ scares me just looking at
\nthe poster. As I said to Harry last night in CBIX, ubercute gets
\nto me.<\/p>\n

The _Rockadoodle_ trailer was also ambiguous. It’s nice that Bluth
\nfinally got the thing out and all, and the animation looks like it’s
\nup to Bluth standards, but I don’t think it’ll interest me much.<\/p>\n

More next…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2465, from switch, 723 chars, Wed Jan 8 23:00:21 1992
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\nI’ve also determined that you guys (i.e. anyone south of
\nMontreal) have far too much interesting TV. You’ve certainly
\ngot more cartoons and comedy channels. I got to see the animated
\n_Prince Valiant_, which was… well, it wasn’t Hal Foster, but
\nthat would be an unreasonable expectation. The animation ranged
\nfrom poor to fair, the story moderately interesting, and the
\ndialogue not as bad as I expected. _My Pet Monster_ looks nicely
\ndone from a production standpoint, but it’s too cute for me to
\ndeal with. _TaleSpin_ was excellent, naturally. _Bucky O’Hare_
\nwasn’t too bad.<\/p>\n

*sigh* Every time I venture out of the province I’m depressed
\nwhen I see the amount of animation available on TV everywhere
\nelse.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2466, from dferg, 270 chars, Wed Jan 8 23:23:30 1992
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\nTITLE: “Cool World”
\nI am certain that someone besides myself has seen the trailer for this…
\nAnimator draws sexy girl with whom he is infatuated, and gets pulled into
\na toontown setting. Anyone have any information on this film? I’m deucedly
\ncurious about it.<\/p>\n

-Doug<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2467, from nicolas, 524 chars, Thu Jan 9 02:12:44 1992
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\nEmru,<\/p>\n

Don’t worry. We in Holland also suffer from too little exposure to
\ngood animation. What we get here most of the time is cutesy stuff,
\nsome times well done but not overmuch.<\/p>\n

I have just discovered a new cable station here called children’s
\nchannel. have to check that out but I am afraid it will be more of the
\nsame. One show that I got the tail end from was Mysterious cities of
\ngold. Is this any good? I did not see that much of it. But the credits
\nhad a lot japanese names in it.
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2468, from hmccracken, 238 chars, Thu Jan 9 14:02:44 1992
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\nI haven’t seen the trailer, but a friend did and mentioned it to me.
\nThis is the new film by Ralph (_Fritz the Cat_, _Lord of the Rings_,
\n_Mighty Mouse: the New Adventures_) Bakshi. I don’t know a thing
\nabout it, unfortunately.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2469, from morganfox, 204 chars, Thu Jan 9 19:25:58 1992
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\nI saw a preview tease of Ferngully on the video release of Home Alone. What
\nstruck me at the time was the Elfquest feel I got from the style of the
\nchars\/drawing. Emrun, did you get any sense of this?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2470, from morganfox, 159 chars, Thu Jan 9 19:27:57 1992
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\nI saw a trailer for this..I forget which, but I am sure it was a movie (addams
\nfamily)..and I wondered if I was suddenly in the middle of Saturday Night Live.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2471, from adunkin, 153 chars, Thu Jan 9 20:49:58 1992
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\nI’ve seen the advertisement at least twice in theatres. My brother said
\nthat it’s based on a story done before. I wouldn’t know \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

— Alan Dunkin<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2472, from dferg, 48 chars, Thu Jan 9 22:18:19 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2468.
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\nAhh. Figures it is Bakshi. Has that look. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2473, from switch, 223 chars, Fri Jan 10 23:08:05 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2466.
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\nApparently a Bakshi production, sorta _Roger Rabbit_-ish. An
\nartist draws a cartoon girl, wishes she was real, and gets sucked
\ninto her universe. Gee, _Roger Rabbit_, _Volere Volare_, now
\n_Cool World_… what next?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2474, from tsin, 101 chars, Sat Jan 11 10:42:43 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2463.
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\nLumiere is Emru through and through!
\nPicture Emru with a candle in each hand and one on his head!
\n\ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2475, from switch, 129 chars, Sun Jan 12 11:12:52 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2467.
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\nI never saw it, but in came on in French here, and my friends who
\nsaw it said they liked it. It is a Japanese production.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2476, from switch, 81 chars, Sun Jan 12 11:14:56 1992
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\nNot at all, actually. I couldn’t place anything familiar about
\nthe style.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2477, from hmccracken, 1273 chars, Wed Jan 15 15:55:29 1992
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\nTITLE: _Northern Exposure_ gives exposure to animation pencils
\nLast week’s episode of the CBS comedy-drama series _Northern Exposure_
\nincluded a scene in which a character made reference to Blackwing
\ndrawing pencils. Now, this may not sound interesting to you, but I
\ndid a double-take, since Blackwings are my own personal drawing pencil
\nof choice, and they’re very hard to find. Maybe one in ten art-supply
\nstores carries them, so when I find one that does, I tend to buy
\nseveral dozen at a time.<\/p>\n

What makes this worth mentioning in this conference is that Blackwing
\npencils are apparently favored by at least a few animators. Chuck
\nJones likes them (if you see a photograph of him drawing with a
\nblack pencil with a funny, oversized eraser, it’s a Blackwing).
\nOdder still, the gift shop at the Disney-MGM animation studios at
\nDisney World sells them, along with animation paper — which I take
\nas a sign that they’re in use there.<\/p>\n

I guess I should make a correction to _Northern Exposure’s_ mention
\nof Blackwings as long as I have the chance: the character who refers
\nto them calls them “Eberhard Faber Blackwing pencils.” Eberhard Faber
\nused to manufacture Blackwings, but in recent years they’ve carried
\nthe Faber Castell brand name. Historians take note!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2478, from switch, 148 chars, Wed Jan 15 21:20:06 1992
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\nI think I still have one Blackwing left from my childhood… I
\nhad a bunch when I was younger, but I don’t know anywhere that’s
\ngot ’em here.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2479, from switch, 195 chars, Thu Jan 16 08:44:59 1992
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\nThe last Spike & Mike Festival of Animation just passed through
\ntown, but they were all out of programs by the time I got there.
\nDoes anyone have any spares they’d be willing to part with?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2480, from davemackey, 485 chars, Sun Jan 19 22:06:36 1992
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\nTITLE: Thought for the day
\n“I believe we should all live life like Bugs Bunny. We should have plenty of
\ncarrots, a hole in the ground, a mail box with our name written on it, and
\nthe freedom to discover our own personal Elmer Fudd. And when we find that
\nFudd, we should have the freedom to bug the crap out of him.” — Wayne Campbell<\/p>\n

(from “Wayne’s World: Extreme Close-Up” by Mike Myers and Robin Ruzan, just
\npublished by Hyperion Books (ISBN 1-56282-979-3)) –Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2481, from hmccracken, 518 chars, Tue Jan 21 00:30:25 1992
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\nTITLE: Red Hot Rumor Dept.
\nThis is just a rumor right now, and not fact, but if it comes true,
\nremember that you heard it here first: I’m told that Fox is in
\nthe process of pulling production of _The Simpsons_ away from Klasky-
\nCsupo Animation and giving it to Film Roman Animation. James Brooks,
\nMatt Groening, and the other creators and writers of the series would
\ncontinue their present involvement, and in theory the change would
\nhave little effect on the show. It’ll be interesting to see what happens.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2482, from davemackey, 675 chars, Tue Jan 21 02:55:13 1992
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\nWow. There is of course precedent for this, with some recent television
\nseries having a change of producer in mid-production run. I can think of
\n“Alvin And The Chipmunks,” which went from Ruby-Spears to
\nMurakami-Wolf-Swenson, and “G.I. Joe,” which went from Marvel Productions to
\nDIC.
\nBut on a high-profile show like “The Simpsons,” something like this
\ncould have a major drastic effect. But Film Roman has a reputation of doing
\nfaithful comic adaptations (“Garfield” and “Mother Goose”). If Klasky-Csupo
\nweren’t going to do “Simpsons” any more, I wouldn’t bet the farm on any other
\nstudio than Film Roman to do a comparable job.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2483, from hmccracken, 501 chars, Tue Jan 21 14:13:39 1992
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\nFrom what I hear, a change in animation houses wouldn’t have that
\nmuch of an effect on _The Simpsons_. Klasky-Csupo is suuposedly basically
\na contractor who doesn’t have a significant artistic effect on the show.
\nFox is said to be unhappy with corner-cutting on K-C’s part, along
\nwith some things that Gabor Csupo has said in the press and the recent
\nlawsuit by former _Simpsons_ animators. If anything (if the current
\nwisdom is true), the change might make _The Simpsons_ look even better.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2484, from switch, 948 chars, Thu Jan 23 21:55:24 1992
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\nTITLE: Last night…
\n…saw a great compilation of early Tex Avery films at the Cinematheque
\nQuebecoise. First time I’ve been to an Avery screening where I’d
\nonly seen about half the films before… The films were:<\/p>\n

Ham And Eggs (1933, Walter Lantz)
\nI’d Love To Take Orders From You (1936, Warner Bros.)
\nPage Miss Glory (1936, WB)
\nDon’t Look Now (1936, WB)
\nI Only Have Eyes For You (1937, WB)
\nLittle Red Walking Hood (1937, WB)
\nJohnny Smith & Poker-Huntas (1938, WB)
\nHamateur Night (1938, WB)
\nThugs With Dirty Mugs (1939, WB)
\nCross-Country Detours (1940, WB)
\nThe Bear’s Tale (1940, WB)
\nA Wild Hare (1940, WB)
\nMeatless Flyday (1944, WB)<\/p>\n

I saw Egghead for the first time, and I thought he was pretty
\nfunny in “Little Red Walking Hood”. His odd walk and reocurring
\nappearances reming me a bit of the funny-looking man in Chuck
\nJones’ “The Dover Boys”. I wonder if Jones was taking Egghead
\nas a cue?<\/p>\n

Next week: The Evolution of Bugs Bunny.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2485, from hmccracken, 564 chars, Fri Jan 24 09:43:02 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2484.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nHaving a little character make repeated, unexpected appearances in
\na cartoon was a favorite gag of Tex Avery’s — he did it with
\nEgghead at Warner’s, and with Droopy at MGM. Jones’s use of the
\nfunny-looking man in _The Dover Boys_ is definitely in the tradition
\nof Avery’s use of that gag.<\/p>\n

For the record, Eggheead was based on Joe Penner, the radio comedian
\nwho, if he is remembered at all these days, is recalled for his
\nuse of the phrase “Ya Wanna Buy a Duck?” Penner didn’t look that
\nmuch like Egghead, but the voice and personality were identical.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2486, from switch, 1282 chars, Fri Jan 24 22:23:57 1992
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\nTITLE: Little Nemo
\nA friend just came back from Japan (he won an award and got an
\nexpense-paid trip for ten days, the swine) and brought back, among
\nother things, the laserdisc boxed set of _Little Nemo in Slumberland_.
\nWe watched a bit of it at AVISTA last night, playing it on the
\nSony video projector and pumping it through the Very Loud amplifiers
\nwhile working on our various projects (this is a favorite pastime
\nof ours \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

My first impression is that it’s a cross between Disney (character
\nand animation) and Miyazaki (childlike wonder and incredible flight
\nscenes). The opening scene alone is breathtaking, as Nemo has one
\nof his characteristic dreams. I’ll be watching the film in its
\nentirety in the coming week, and I’ll be writing up a review for
\n_fps_ and to post here.<\/p>\n

Oh, nearly forgot: on the fourth side they show Winsor McCay’s
\n_Little Nemo_, _Gertie_, and _The Sinking of the Lusitania_, with
\nnarration, and the original music. The prints are even in (somewhat
\nwashed-out) color where appropriate. The boxed set comes with
\nbios of the various people who worked on the project such as John
\nCanemaker, Ray Bradbury, and Winsor McCay (as it were). Two posters
\nmy Moebius – an excellent blend of the comic and movie versions
\nof Nemo – are also included.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2487, from switch, 269 chars, Sat Jan 25 01:11:56 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Penn & Teller
\nAfter weeks of busy signals, I finally got through to Mofo Ex Machina,
\nPenn & Teller’s BBS. Result? Nothing. I hit [RETURN] twice,
\nentered the password (“MOFO”) and got nada. Does anyone know if
\nthey’ve changed the password or something?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2488, from davemackey, 240 chars, Sat Jan 25 08:48:12 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2487.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nMaybe they shut it down because their recent Broadway show folded up its
\ntent too (“Penn And Teller Rot In Hell”)?
\nYou might wanna try getting a hold of Penn through PC Computing.
\nWouldn’t hurt.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2489, from switch, 22 chars, Sat Jan 25 13:25:39 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2488.
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\nGreat! Thanks!<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2490, from davemackey, 334 chars, Sun Jan 26 20:58:41 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2485.
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\nEgghead was inspired by Joe Penner, but another popular comedian of the day
\n— Cliff Nazzarro — provided the voice for the later episodes like “A-Lad In
\nBagdad” and “Believe It Or Else”; he also gave Warner’s a bit of his own act
\nas the double-talking nightclub emcee in “The Penguin Parade”.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2491, from hmccracken, 205 chars, Thu Jan 30 10:11:41 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2482.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTo bring this thread up-to-date: it’s true and official. Film Roman
\nwill be animating _The Simpsons_ as of sometime this spring. Klasky-
\nCsupo will be laying off all but 35 of its 110 animators.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2492, from hmccracken, 743 chars, Thu Jan 30 10:16:05 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: RIP, Emery Hawkins
\nThis news is very late (since I just found out), but better now than
\nnever: Emery Hawkins passed away last year, after a long illness.
\nHawkins had a long career as an animator, stretching from the 1930s
\nto the 1980s, including work at Disney, Warner, Mintz, Lantz, and other
\nstudios. He also did some remarkable animation of a character
\ncalled “The Greedy” for Richard Williams’ 1976 _Raggedy Ann and
\nAndy_ feature, and John Canemaker’s book on the making of that
\nfilm has a lot of material on Hawkins.<\/p>\n

Hawkins was not a well-known name, but he was extremely well-
\nthought of by his peers as both an artist and a man. Chuck Jones
\nsaid that he was in the handful of animators he held in the
\nhighest esteem.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2493, from davemackey, 419 chars, Thu Jan 30 22:48:31 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2492.
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\nSad to hear that, even so far after the fact. Emery Hawkins was one of only
\ntwo men (the other is John Carey) who animated in all four major Warner Bros.
\nunits of the 40’s and 50’s at one time or another — Freleng, Jones, McKimson
\nand Davis — so you could tell that his talent was in demand. Eventually, it
\nwas Robert McKimson he wound up doing most of his Warner’s work with.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2494, from davemackey, 279 chars, Thu Jan 30 22:48:42 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2491.
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\nAnd I’ll always remember who told me first… Scoop McCracken! \ud83d\ude09
\nAnyway, Harry, I see Film Roman making overtures to some of those
\nlaid-off Klasky-Csupo staff. (Better than teaching a whole new corps of
\nartists to draw Bart and Co.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2495, from davemackey, 330 chars, Sat Feb 8 00:00:42 1992
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\nTITLE: Pee-wee’s Animated Adventure
\nIt appears that Pee-wee Herman is going to be fulfilling one of the penalties
\nof his arrest on indecent exposure charges last year by appearing in a
\n30-second animated anti-drug spot.
\nAnimation… more than just an art form… community service. \ud83d\ude09
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2496, from davemackey, 409 chars, Wed Feb 12 19:53:41 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Jack Kinney
\nVeteran Disney animator and director Jack Kinney died of natural causes in
\nGlendale, California on Sunday, at the age of 82.
\nHe directed the Academy-award winning cartoon “Der Fuherer’s Face”
\n(1943) as well as the Goofy “How To…” series. He also directed the UPA
\nfeature “Mr. Magoo’s 1001 Arabian Nights” as well as more than 100 Popeye
\ncartoons.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2497, from hmccracken, 275 chars, Wed Feb 12 22:09:27 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2496.
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\nAw, gee — that’s too bad. Kinney’s best Goofy cartoons are some
\nof the best Disney shorts of the 1940s. Several years ago he
\npublished _Walt Disney and Assorted Other Characters_, an enjoyable
\nmemoir of his career in animation illustrated with wonderful
\nsketches.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2498, from davemackey, 294 chars, Wed Feb 19 08:47:49 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Surprise, surprise
\nIt has just been announced that “Beauty And The Beast” has received an
\nAcademy Award Nomination for Best Picture.
\nThis is the first time in history that an animated film has ever been up
\nfor the biggest Oscar prize of all.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2499, from bferg, 23 chars, Wed Feb 19 11:22:42 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2498.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nRight ON!<\/p>\n

\ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

Barbara<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2500, from hmccracken, 235 chars, Wed Feb 19 16:51:15 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2499.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nEven better — _B&B_ got a grand total of six nominations (which has
\ngot to be a record for an animated film) — besides Best Picture, it’s
\nup for Best Score, Best Sound, and *three* of the songs got nominated
\nfor best song!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2501, from davemackey, 339 chars, Wed Feb 19 19:24:01 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2500.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nAnd capping off a remarkable 24 hours in which animation has been legitimized
\nas it never has been — see the messages in \/boob.tube regarding Ted Turner’s
\nformal unveiling of The Cartoon Network, the long rumored cable channel.
\nSay… what were the animated shorts nominated, if anyone knows?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2502, from switch, 105 chars, Thu Feb 20 00:55:23 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2501.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nOne of them was _Black Fly_, by my animation instructor Chris
\nHinton… don’t know about the rest.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2503, from davemackey, 313 chars, Thu Feb 20 09:03:13 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2502.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nThe three nominees were “Blackfly,” “Manipulation” and “Strings.” And to
\nrecap the nominations for “Beauty And The Beast”: Best Picture, Best
\nMusic Original Score, Best Sound, and three Best Original Song nominations
\nfor “Beauty And The Beast,” “Belle” and “Be Our Guest.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2504, from nicolas, 137 chars, Fri Feb 21 02:20:18 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Nutcracker
\nThe animation film Nutcracker by Paul Schibli just opened here. Is it
\nworth seeing??
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2505, from hmccracken, 269 chars, Fri Feb 21 15:10:46 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2504.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nIf it’s the film that was called _The Nutcracker Prince_ when it was
\nreleased in the U.S. a couple of Christmases ago, probably not
\n(unless you’re a diehard fan like me). That was a pretty mediocre
\nfilm…but you may be talking about something else entirely.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2506, from switch, 123 chars, Fri Feb 21 21:48:50 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2503.
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\n“Manipulation” is a fantastic film. I haven’t seen “Strings” as
\nyet, though it is showing at the Ouimetoscope soon.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2507, from davemackey, 324 chars, Tue Feb 25 21:10:49 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2484.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nI know this is almost a month after the fact, but I’m sure that the
\nCinematheque crowd knew the reason for the inclusion of the Freleng-directed
\n“Meatless Flyday” on a program of Tex Avery cartoons. (It’s a very nice
\ncartoon and extremely evocative of the early-40’s Warner’s style.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2508, from switch, 172 chars, Thu Feb 27 01:43:30 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2507.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nThe host (my History of Animated Film teacher, who happens to be
\npontificating on Warner cartoons on CBC-FM this very minute) told
\nus: the spider is voiced by Avery.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2509, from hmccracken, 190 chars, Thu Feb 27 09:31:49 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2508.
\n————————–
\nThat’s right! I knew about that but had forgotten. Oddly enough,
\nAvery had left Warner’s by the time the cartoon was made — he
\ncame back from MGM to record the voice for Freleng.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2510, from hmccracken, 297 chars, Fri Feb 28 09:45:43 1992
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\nTITLE: B&B at the Oscars
\nWhether or not they win any themselves, Disney’s Beuaty and the Beast will
\nmake an appearance at the Oscars — they’re going to present the award
\nfor Best Animated Short this year. The award has been given by Bugs
\nBunny and Mickey Mouse in recent years as well.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2511, from hmccracken, 756 chars, Sun Mar 1 18:26:44 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Must Be Seen to be Belived Department
\nAt a collectibles show today, I saw a couple of examples of a
\n1960s phonograph album series in which — get this — Hanna-Barbera
\ncharacters like the Flintstones and Augie Doggie sang songs from…
\nWalt Disney films! For example, one album I saw featured Fred and
\nBarney doing the hits from _Mary Poppins_. Oddly enough, the name
\n“Walt Disney” isn’t mentioned anywhere on the records, although he
\nsurely must have authorized them.<\/p>\n

Tempted as I was, I didn’t pick up any of these oddball collectibles;
\nthey were kind of expensive. I did, however buy a 1975 “Suzie Moppet”
\nalbum for kids, recorded by…Well, I’ll open the floor to guesses
\nabout what later-notorious husband and wife made this album.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2512, from davemackey, 833 chars, Sun Mar 1 19:05:29 1992
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\nTITLE: Animation as part of the bigger picture of MGM
\nThe massive book “M-G-M — When The Lion Roars” (published by Turner Books)
\ndoes manage to set aside one page to document the history of M-G-M cartoons.
\nHarman and Ising, Hanna and Barbera and Tex Avery are all discussed
\never-so-briefly. The book mentions the shutdown of the M-G-M cartoon unit in
\n1957 but fails to discuss any of M-G-M’s outside-produced Tom And Jerry
\nreleases in the 1960’s, or the live-action\/animated feature “The Phantom
\nTollbooth” (1969).
\n(One might also challenge “King-Sized (sic) Canary” as Tex Avery’s
\nbest-known cartoon, as the text asserts… can anyone think of likelier
\ncandidates, if you could select one cartoon to sum up Tex Avery at M-G-M? I
\nwould think one of the Girl cartoons or “Dumb-Hounded”.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2513, from davemackey, 213 chars, Sun Mar 1 20:57:14 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2511.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nSuzie Moppet, huh? Don’t remember it, but for the sake of making a guess, how
\nabout The Captain and Tennille? They’re as notorious a husband\/wife team as
\nany, I suppose. \ud83d\ude09
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2514, from hmccracken, 82 chars, Sun Mar 1 21:15:28 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2513.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nNope — more notorious than that. Think court cases and jail sentences.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2515, from tsin, 54 chars, Sun Mar 1 21:23:30 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2514.
\nThere are additional comments to message 2514.
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\nIke and Tina Turner?
\nFerdinand and Imaelda Marcos?
\n\ud83d\ude00<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2516, from tsin, 111 chars, Sun Mar 1 21:25:38 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2514.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nOH GOD!!!!!
\nHAHAHAHA
\nI remember!!!!!!
\nAm I gonna get money for this????!!!!
\nJIM and TAMMY BAKER!!!!
\nHAHAHAHA!!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2517, from jshook, 24 chars, Sun Mar 1 22:59:20 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2514.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

Jim and Tammy Bakker?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2518, from hmccracken, 455 chars, Sun Mar 1 23:36:40 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2516.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nThat’s right! Sorry, all you get is the satisfaction of having
\ngot it right. The album I bought is “Building on the Rock:
\nSongs and Stories by Jim and Tammy and Their Friends,” issued in
\n1975. It stars Susie Moppet (an odd looking puppet with a pig snout
\nand Goldilocks curls), Allie the Talking Alligator, and Muffin
\nthe Talking Dog. And Jim and Tammy, who appear on the back cover —
\nJim with a Beatle-like haircut and Tammy sans much makeup.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2519, from hmccracken, 1311 chars, Mon Mar 9 10:43:11 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Art Babbitt, RIP
\nLegendary animator Art Babbitt passed away last Wednesday after a long
\nillness. He will be best remembered for his work at Disney in the 1930s
\nand early 1940s, where he turned Goofy into a real character
\nand animated the Wicked Queen in _Snow White_, Geppetto in
\n_Pinocchio_, and the dancing mushrooms in _Fantasia_.<\/p>\n

Babbitt was one of the most influential of Disney animators
\nduring this period, but when the studio suffered a strike in
\n1941, he was one of its leaders and an outspoken critic
\nof Walt Disney himself. He was fired; a lawsuit forced
\nDisney to rehire him, but couldn’t make him the major figure
\nhe had formerly been.<\/p>\n

Eventually, Babbitt joined UPA, where he worked on some interesting
\nfilms including _Rooty Toot Toot_ (an adaptation of the Frankie
\nand Johnny story). Towards the end of his career, he worked with
\nRichard Williams on Williams’ still-upcoming Persian-themed
\nanimated feature, and contributed the fine animation of the
\nCamel with the Wrinkled Knees to Williams’ _Raggedy Ann and
\nAndy_ feature. He also taught animation to a new generation
\nof artists.<\/p>\n

One last bit of Babbitt trivia: he was married at one time to
\nMarge Belcher, a dancer who posed for live-action reference
\nfootage for _Snow White_ and later became famous as Marge
\nChampion.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2520, from davemackey, 520 chars, Mon Mar 9 19:34:09 1992
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\nTITLE: Catching up on some obits
\nKen Darby died on January 24 at the age of 82. His choral arrangements were
\nheard in many Walt Disney features of the 1940’s and are still emulated today
\nfor the Disney features.
\nAnd veteran actor John Dehner died on February 4 of emphysema, aged 76.
\nAnd why is his death relevant to the animation community? His first job in
\nHollywood was as an assistant animator at Walt Disney Studios, working on
\n“Fantasia” and “Bambi” as well as shorts.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2521, from hmccracken, 490 chars, Tue Mar 10 15:38:35 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2519.
\nThere are additional comments to message 2519.
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\nA few more pieces of information on the late Art Babbitt, who died at 85
\na week ago tomorrow: he was born Arthur Babitsky in Omaha, and planned
\nas a youth to become a psychiatrist before winding up in the animation
\nbusiness at Terrytoons in New York in 1929. His career lasted until
\nabout three years ago, when it ended due to failing eyesight. Besides
\nthe work I mentioned in my previous message, he also spent 1966 to 1975
\nas the head of Hanna-Barbera’s commercial department.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2522, from davemackey, 240 chars, Tue Mar 10 20:57:27 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2519.
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\nAnd offering a bit of Art Babbitt trivia of my own: he once worked for Warner
\nBros., where he animated the main title sequence to Friz Freleng’s pilot
\ncombining live action and animation, “Philbert.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2523, from davemackey, 183 chars, Fri Mar 13 20:21:22 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2518.
\n————————–
\nWonder if this skeleton being let out of their closet has led to the recent
\nnews that Jim and Tammy have divorced (it was finalized today). \ud83d\ude09
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2524, from hmccracken, 528 chars, Fri Mar 13 22:35:51 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: H-B Sets Sail
\nA recent press release announces a project of Turner Broadcasting
\nwhich combines two of Ted Turner’s big interests. Nope, Jane Fonda
\nisn’t becoming a panelist on _The Capitol Gang_ — rather,
\nHanna-Barbera is ewlwasing a limited edition cel tie-in with
\nthe America’s Cup (which Turner captained the American team to
\nvictory in some years ago, of course). The cel shows Fred
\nFlintstone, Yogi Bear and others aboard a yacht in pursuit of
\nthe Cup, and is being produced in a limited edition of 400.
\n– Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2525, from davemackey, 209 chars, Sun Mar 15 02:11:19 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Alex Lovy
\nJust heard that Alex Lovy, longtime director with Walter Lantz and key
\nassociate of Hanna-Barbera Productions for most of its history, has passed
\naway.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2526, from hmccracken, 382 chars, Sun Mar 15 08:32:20 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2525.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nThat’s too bad, and I have a friend who is a big Andy Panda fan and
\nwill be especially saddened. (Lovy directed a lot of the Andy
\ncartoons.)<\/p>\n

BTW, I have heard reports that at one time there was a rumor that
\nLovy and Tex Avery were the same man — a rumor that was pretty
\nclearly proven false when Avery died and Lovy went on working at
\nHanna-Barbera for another decade.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2527, from davemackey, 150 chars, Sun Mar 15 11:07:22 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2526.
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\nAnd Alex Lovy was still working for HB up until the time of his death, too…
\nseemed somewhat indestructible.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2528, from dsmart, 616 chars, Sun Mar 15 11:31:40 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: BATTLECRUISER:3000AD (IBM)
\nHi there gang
\nsome of you with access to Compuserve, GENIE, DELPHI, AOL or other bbs systemn\u001b[s
\nmay have come across BATTLECRUISER:3000AD demo v2.00. This is 3D space flight
\nsimulation due out in Christmas. A demo of this program has been uploaded
\nhere on BIX. The files are BC3000.ZIP, BCSDIG.ZIP, BCADIG.ZIP, BC3GI1.ZIP &
\nBC3GI2.ZIP. Please send e-mail to hmccracken to locate these files. I posted
\nthem in the ANIMATION\/LEISURE area a week ago and I don’t have the foggiest
\nidea where they are.
\nUploaded by author Derek Smart<\/p>\n

Regards<\/p>\n

Derek Smart, Supreme Commander – [GALCOM]<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2529, from switch, 100 chars, Sun Mar 15 21:04:52 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2528.
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\nDerek – they’ll be available in ‘animation’ RSN. See my message
\nin animation\/about.listings.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2530, from hmccracken, 857 chars, Mon Mar 16 21:28:04 1992
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\nTITLE: Elvia Allman, R.I.P.
\nUnfortunately, we seem to be going through a period of deaths of
\nnotable figures in animation history just now. Following on the
\npassings of Art Babbitt and Alex Lovy comes the news that Elvia
\nAllman has died. Who was Elvia Allman, you ask? Well, she was
\na veteran actress who appeared on _The Beverly Hillbillies_ and
\nin the film _Breakfast at Tiffany’s_. But the reason I note her
\ndeath here is another part she played: she was the first voice
\nof Clarabelle Cow, who along with her boyfriend Horace Horsecollar
\nwas a supporting character in the earliest Mickey Mouse cartoons.
\nClarabelle’s film career pretty much ended in the mid-1930s
\n(she did continue to appear in comic books), but she made a
\nbrief reappearance in 1990’s _The Prince and the Pauper_, a
\nfilm that Elvia Allman returned to animation to record for.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2531, from davemackey, 579 chars, Fri Mar 20 09:09:08 1992
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Grace Stafford Lantz
\nGrace Stafford Lantz, 88, wife of animator Walter Lantz and voice of
\nhis star character Woody Woodpecker, died on Tuesday of spinal cancer
\nat St. Joseph Medical Center in Burbank.
\nMs. Stafford, who had been married to Lantz since the early 1940’s,
\nbecame the Woody voice in the early 1950’s after Lantz reopened his
\nstudio after a brief production hiatus. Stafford performed other voices
\nin the Lantz cartoons, including the mother of the Beary Family, until
\nthe studio’s final closing in 1972.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2532, from hmccracken, 500 chars, Fri Mar 20 09:54:10 1992
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\n…And while we regret the passing of the great Grace Stafford and
\nmourn for Mr. Lantz, we should also note that many of the obituaries
\nincorrectly credit her with originating Woody’s voice
\n(Mel Blanc did that, and there were others before Grace
\ntook the part). Some of the obituaries also repeated a
\nstory about the inspiration for Woody and his voice
\ncoming from a woodpecker who annoyed the Lantzes on their
\nhoneymoon — they were actually married *after* the
\ncreation of the character.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2533, from davemackey, 425 chars, Fri Mar 20 23:11:34 1992
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\nA little known fact is that the Woody Woodpecker voice after Mel Blanc was
\ndone by Ben Hardaway, who was a writer for the Lantz studio throughout the
\n1940’s.
\nI’m sorry to see that Mrs. Walter Lantz’s passing and obituary notices
\nare again marred by the sort of fact-stretching that have made us take any
\nunbelievable facts we hear about Lantz and his studio with a grain of salt.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2534, from bferg, 184 chars, Sat Mar 21 06:49:20 1992
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\nWell, I’ll be, I did not realize that Lantz’s wife
\ndid the voice of
\nWoody Wood Pecker, one of my faves as a child.<\/p>\n

I have fond memories of her voice…she will be missed.<\/p>\n

Barbara<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2535, from davemackey, 673 chars, Sat Mar 21 17:25:39 1992
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\nTITLE: More Disney-Bashing…
\n…in the April issue of “Spy” magazine. Never mind the fact that “Beauty And
\nThe Beast” and “Father Of The Bride” have propelled the studio to financial
\nrespectability after almost a year’s worth of bombs. (One would think Jeffrey
\nKatzenberg has replaced Mike Ovitz, head of Creative Artists Agency, as the
\nmagazine’s pet whipping boy.)
\nThere is an anecdote in the article that is animation related. A
\ndirector for one of Disney’s television projects was overheard praising the
\nWarner Bros. cartoons, and subsequently received a curt memo from the studio
\nbrass telling him never to do that again.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2536, from davemackey, 1264 chars, Sat Mar 21 17:26:04 1992
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\nBarbara, thank you for sharing. \ud83d\ude42
\nActually, in my earliest memories of Woody Woodpecker, I have no
\nrecollection of his voice, since my first exposure to the character was
\nthrough Castle Films 8mm silents.
\nAnd then, only through a labeling mixup. One of the films we ordered
\nwhen we first got the projector (this was back in 1968) was the Inspector
\nWilloughby cartoon “Phoney Express.” However, what was in the box instead was
\na 1950 Woody Woodpecker cartoon, “Puny Express.” (It was many years before I
\nactually got around to seeing “Phoney Express” when this film was released to
\ntelevision for the first time in 1982, though we did enjoy Willoughby in
\n“The Case Of the Cold Storage Yegg.”)
\nI didn’t actually hear Woody’s voice until the 1970’s when NBC began
\nrunning his TV show again, a few years before Woody went into syndication in
\n1977.
\nMy condolences to Mr. Lantz on his loss, by the way… Walter and Gracie
\nwere very happily married for many years and did extensive world traveling
\nafter their retirement, with Walter doing Woody drawings for children in
\nhospitals and Gracie doing the Woody laugh for them. It is fortunate that
\nthey both continued to serve the world as goodwill ambassadors.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2537, from ianl, 193 chars, Sun Mar 22 03:07:17 1992
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> Castle Films 8mm silents<\/p>\n

Gawd, now *THAT* brings back memories. My father loved 8mm cartoons, he
\nused to buy the Castle Films reels all the time. He still has reels and
\nreels of them.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2538, from davemackey, 505 chars, Sun Mar 22 08:32:50 1992
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\nAnd since Castle Films was owned by Universal Studios, their films dominated
\nthe Castle roster. They had lots of Abbott and Costello feature cutdowns with
\nridiculous titles like “No Indians Please” and “No Bulls Please,” news and
\nsports digests, and acres of cartoons.
\nCastle also released for the home market in 16mm, and I have a number of
\nthose films in my 16mm collection (though under normal circumstances I prefer
\nprints with correct theatrical titles.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2539, from hmccracken, 487 chars, Mon Mar 23 10:03:33 1992
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\nAs I think I’ve mentioned here before, I’m a big fan of 8mm silent cartoons —
\nCastle, Official Films, and others. I own quite a few (all acquired fairly
\nrecently), and love the whole experience — the lack of color and sound,
\nthe subtitles, the clack-clack-clack of the projector. I can’t call it
\nnostalgia, since we didn’t have a projector when I was a kid, but it is
\na delightfully old-fashioned pasttime. I occasionally show them to friends,
\nwho get a kick out of it, too.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2540, from switch, 195 chars, Mon Mar 23 21:44:20 1992
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\nTITLE: Anime FAQL
\nI’m writing an anime FAQL (frequently-asked questions list) for
\nFidoNet, which I’ll probably upload here as well. Anyone have
\nany suggestions as to things to put on it?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2541, from davemackey, 347 chars, Tue Mar 24 06:07:51 1992
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\nSo you didn’t seem to mind that the majority of the films you purchased in
\nSyracuse and screened for us on Saturday night were black-and-white prints of
\ncolor cartoons.
\nI’m of the school that likes to see the films as they were, with full
\ncolor and sound, and that’s why 16mm collecting appeals to me.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2542, from hmccracken, 527 chars, Tue Mar 24 09:31:43 1992
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\nWell, I’m a purist at heart as well. But as a recent 16mm convert, I’m
\nstill thrilled with the mere facts that the cartoons are full-length
\nand have soundtracks…<\/p>\n

Seriously, though, Castle and Official Films prints are now old enough
\nto count as items of historical interest. I’m fascinated by the Castle-
\ncreated title cards on some of the 1930s Oswald the Rabbit cartoons I
\nbought — each one shows an entirely different version of Oswald, and
\nthere’s little evidence that the artists ever saw an Oswald cartoon.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2543, from bcapps, 483 chars, Thu Mar 26 01:11:19 1992
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\nOk, so how many of you celluloid collectors subscribed to Blackhawk Films
\ncatalogs, hmm? Not only did they contain toons and such, they were chock
\nfull of the old silents! (They’re now primarily video – alas!). Charlie
\nChaplin, Buster Keaton, Harry Langdon, Harold Lloyd, Charley Chase, Laurel
\n& Hardy, D.W. Griffith, Cecil B. DeMille and lots more! Most reels were
\nabout $20 10-15 yrs ago. Now, its about that much for the videos, but it
\njust doesn’t seem the same. :-\/<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2544, from hmccracken, 317 chars, Thu Mar 26 22:10:48 1992
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\nI didn’t know that Blackhawk was still in business. I have a bunch
\nof Blackhawk Super 8 prints of Laurel and Hardy and Chaplin films,
\nand they’re terrific. On the ones that were originally sound films
\n(Laurel and Hardy ones, obviously) Blackhawk did such a nice
\njob of subtitling that you lose very little.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2545, from bcapps, 361 chars, Fri Mar 27 00:18:51 1992
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\nI picked up a buncha L&H shorts at a library closeout in MI, a few years ago.
\nThose and a copy of , hmm, The Lost Continent? or somesuch starring one of
\nthose silent stars of the 20’s (but can’t remember his name either!) \ud83d\ude41
\nWhen I get home, I’ll have to refresh my memories. And buy a new bulb for
\nmy projector sometime soon. Only its about $20. :-p<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2546, from davemackey, 149 chars, Fri Mar 27 03:02:23 1992
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\nRead animation\/sources #132 to find out about the company that is currently
\nmarketing the Blackhawk library.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2547, from bcapps, 83 chars, Sat Mar 28 00:46:28 1992
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\nDoes F.P.A. also handle Blackhawk’s old 8mm library?!? Hmm? Pretty please?<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2548, from davemackey, 148 chars, Sat Mar 28 06:58:23 1992
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\nNope, strictly 16mm as far as I can tell. I don’t believe anyone is currently
\nactively marketing 8mm films.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2549, from hmccracken, 96 chars, Sat Mar 28 14:35:07 1992
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\nNot in this country, but I’m told 8mm is still quite popular
\nin Europe and elsewhere.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2550, from hmccracken, 327 chars, Sun Mar 29 22:53:20 1992
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\nTITLE: Goodbye, Mr. Punch?
\nCan anyone confirm or refute the rumor I just heard that
\n_Punch_ — the seemingly-indestructible British humor
\nweekly that has been published since somewhere around the middle
\nof the last century — has ceased publication?
\nIf so, it’s been a bad couple of weeks for British
\ninstitutions…
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2551, from hmccracken, 1110 chars, Sun Mar 29 23:00:29 1992
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\nTITLE: Tomorrow’s the night…
\nWell, somewhere around 11:00 or 11:30 tomorrow night, we’ll know
\nif _Beauty and the Beast_ has won the Oscar for Best Picture.
\nUsually, I’m not a big Oscar fan, but this year I’ve seen most of
\nthe movies nominated for major awards (save _JFK_), and I’m rooting
\nfor _Beauty_ to get the big one.<\/p>\n

In fact, going out on a limb, I’ll predict here that the movie *will*
\nwin Best Picture. _Silence of the Lambs_ and _Bugsy_ are intense, violent
\nmovies — not Best Picture material. _JFK_? Who wants to look like
\nthey’re endorsing crackpot theories? _Prince of Tides_ is a Streisand
\nfilm. That leaves _B&B_ — a *nice* picture that will take home the
\nprize.<\/p>\n

To hedge my bet, I’ll say that if _B&B_ doesn’t win, _Prince of Tides_
\nwill (the only other “nice” film nominated). If not _Prince_, then
\n_JFK_. If not _JFK_, then _Bugsy_; and if not _Bugsy_, then _Silence
\nof the Lambs_. (This way, I can claim to have predicted the outcome
\nno matter what happens!)<\/p>\n

Your own predictions are invited — those who turn out to be right
\ncan gloat over those of us who are proven wrong!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2552, from ianl, 423 chars, Sun Mar 29 23:32:41 1992
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The few predictions I’ve seen by critics so far have _Silence of the Lambs_
\nas the mostly likely winner. I’m not sure the violence angle will kill it.
\nI hate violence, as a rule. At least, Ramdo\/T2 style pointless violence.
\nThe violence in _Silence_ was needed to establish the drama; it don’t think
\nit was overdone.<\/p>\n

But, it’s hard for me to make a prediction, _Silence_ is the only one of
\nthe candidates I’ve seen.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2553, from drtoon, 4750 chars, Mon Mar 30 00:59:46 1992
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\nTITLE: TEX AVERY ON VIDEO
\nTEX AVERY ON VIDEO<\/p>\n

Tex Avery fans take heart! Whatever else you might want to say about Ted
\nTurner, he has not been a slacker in making Tex Avery’s MGM works available to
\nthe public. With the recent release of “Tex Avery’s Screwball Classics 4” and
\nthe “All This And Tex Avery Too” laserdisc compilation, fans now have access to
\n44 of the 67 cartoon shorts that Tex made for MGM. As far as I can determine,
\nall these cartoons are original and uncut versions – and all but a couple are
\nexquisite pristine Technicolor prints.<\/p>\n

Just about all of Tex’s best works are now available, with one significant
\nexception: “Uncle Tom’s Cabana”. A hearty thanks is due to Jerry Beck, who has
\nbeen tireless in hounding his contacts at MGM\/UA Home Video to get these titles
\non video. Jerry was also intimately involved in getting the “Golden Age of
\nLooney Tunes” laserdisc boxed set released, and the response has been strong
\nenough to warrant a second boxed set of 70 cartoons – due in May or June.<\/p>\n

Jerry and George Feldenstein of MGM\/UA have made a couple of attempts to sneak
\n“Uncle Tom’s Cabana” past the Turner cartoon police, but they were foiled at
\nthe last minute. “Cabana” got as far as being listed in the pre-release
\npromotional materials for “Tex Avery’s Screwball Classics 3”, but when the tape
\nwas released the cartoon had been deleted. Similar attempts to slip Clampett’s
\n“Coal Black and De Sebben Dwarfs” onto a Warner compilation have all been
\nsquashed immediately. Apparently “Coal Black” is on some sort of hot list for
\nTurner, as even Rob Clampett was denied permission to screen a film print (that
\nRob owns) at a Bob Clampett retrospective.<\/p>\n

44 AVERY TITLES CURRENTLY AVAILABLE ON MGM\/UA HOME VIDEO:
\n(L) = Laserdisc (T) = Tape
\nBad Luck Blackie (L) (T)
\nBatty Baseball (T)
\nBig Heel Watha (L) (T)
\nBlitz Wolf (L) (T)
\nThe Cat That Hated People (L) (T)
\nThe Chump Champ (T)
\nCounterfeit Cat (L) (T)
\nThe Cuckoo Clock (L) (T)
\nDaredevil Droopy (T)
\nDeputy Droopy (T)
\nDixieland Droopy (T)
\nDoggone Tired (L)
\nDrag-Along Droopy (T)
\nDroopy’s Double Trouble (L) (T)
\nDroopy’s Good Deed (T)
\nDumb Hounded (L) (T)
\nFlea Circus (L) (T)
\nHalf-Pint Pygmy (L)
\nHappy Go Nutty (L) (T)
\nHound Hunters (T)
\nHouse of Tomorrow (L) (T)
\nKing-Size Canary (L) (T)
\nLittle Rural Riding Hood (L) (T)
\nLittle Tinker (L) (T)
\nLucky Ducky (L) (T)
\nMagical Maestro (L) (T)
\nNorthwest Hounded Police (L) (T)
\nOne Ham’s Family (L) (T)
\nRed Hot Riding Hood (L) (T)
\nScrewball Squirrel (L) (T)
\nThe Screwy Truant (L) (T)
\nSenor Droopy (T)
\nThe Shooting of Dan McGoo (T)
\nSlap Happy Lion (L) (T)
\nSwing Shift Cinderella (L) (T)
\nSymphony In Slang (L) (T)
\nThree Little Pups (T)
\nTV of Tomorrow (T)
\nVentriloquist Cat (L) (T)
\nWags To Riches (L) (T)
\nWhat Price Fleadom (L) (T)
\nWhat’s Buzzin’ Buzzard? (T)
\nWho Killed Who (L) (T)
\nWild And Woolfy (L) (T)<\/p>\n

23 TITLES YET TO APPEAR ON (LEGITIMATE) HOME VIDEO:
\nBilly Boy
\nCar of Tomorrow
\nCat’s Meow
\nCellbound
\nCock-A-Doodle Dog
\nThe Early Bird Dood It
\nFarm of Tomorrow
\nField And Scream
\nThe First Bad Man
\nGarden Gopher
\nHenpecked Hoboes
\nHomesteader Droopy
\nThe Hick Chick
\nJerky Turkey
\nLittle Johnny Jet
\nLonesome Lenny
\nMillionaire Droopy
\nOne Cab’s Family
\nOutfoxed
\nThe Peachy Cobbler
\nRed Hot Rangers
\nRock-A-Bye Bear
\nUncle Tom’s Cabana<\/p>\n

I think those of you who are excited about Turner’s purchase of Hanna-Barbera
\nand the subsequent promise of an all-cartoon cable channel should consider the
\ndark side of these events as well. Turner is approaching a level of hegemony
\nregarding the country’s classic cartoon heritage (Turner also owns all the B&W
\nPopeyes) that is unprecedented.<\/p>\n

Given Turner’s demonstrated penchant for editing “offensive” scenes from
\ncablecast cartoons, their dedication to that ghastly colorization process, and
\ntheir inflexible opposition to titles such as “Cabana” and “Coal Black”, do you
\nreally feel comfortable with such a vast library of animation being controlled
\nby Turner Home Entertainment? Don’t get me wrong – I applaud Turner’s
\ncontinuing output to home video and their efforts at restoration and
\npreservation. However, I am becoming increasingly nervous with the idea of
\nallowing Turner to be the arbiter of taste regarding what cartoons can be seen
\nand what form they can be seen in.<\/p>\n

Even dedicated cartoon fans have honest disagreements about the
\nappropriateness of “Coal Black” in this day and age. Personally, I think its
\nartistic merits far outweigh its potential to offend, but the guardians of
\ntaste at Turner feel strongly otherwise. Those of you who would like to
\nregister an opinion and perhaps put some pressure on Turner should consider
\nwriting to them:<\/p>\n

Turner Home Entertainment
\nOne Cnn Center
\nBox 105366
\nAtlanta, GA 30348-5366<\/p>\n

Stand and be counted!<\/p>\n

-Doug<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2554, from nicolas, 153 chars, Mon Mar 30 01:51:15 1992
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\nIt used to be. Camcorders are getting very popular here too.Haven’t
\nseen someone with an 8mm camera in a loooong time.
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2555, from nicolas, 107 chars, Mon Mar 30 01:51:26 1992
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\nAlas it’s true. Punch has folded after many a year of gentle ribbing
\n\ud83d\ude42
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2556, from nicolas, 443 chars, Mon Mar 30 01:51:38 1992
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\nThe only film I have seen sofar is Silence of the Lambs. JFK just
\nopened here in Holland, haven’t seen it yet. The other movies have to
\nget here yet or will probably not open here it all. I suspect that if
\nB&TB doesn’t win an oscar it will NOT open in a theatre near here. On
\nthe other hand if it does win the Oscar then it might. We’ll just have
\nto see and cross our fingers, toes and other extremitoes :-).
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2557, from davemackey, 340 chars, Mon Mar 30 06:32:10 1992
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\nThank you for this post, Doug. You do raise some extremely valid criticisms
\nregarding Turner’s treatment of its classic cartoon library.
\nOne now wonders if the complete Tex Avery package is going to be just
\nthat… complete. It only takes the omission of one cartoon to turn Turner
\ninto a liar.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2558, from hmccracken, 183 chars, Mon Mar 30 09:26:04 1992
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\nOh, no! That’s terrible about _Punch_. Any chance of the magazine
\ngetting a second chance? The last copy I saw was around Christmas
\ntime, and it seemed fairly healthy then.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2559, from hmccracken, 332 chars, Mon Mar 30 11:52:26 1992
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\nNico sent me a couple of articles from the Financial Times via BIxmail
\nwhich give more detail on the _Punch_ situation, along with the
\nmildly happy news that there are at least a couple of potential
\nbuyers in the wings, including an American group. But if no sale can
\nbe arranged, the magazine is set to die on April 8th.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2560, from hmccracken, 787 chars, Mon Mar 30 17:31:54 1992
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\nTITLE: It’s Official: Disney Doesn’t Use Cels
\nComputer graphics company Pixar recently took public, partial credit
\nfor an award won by Disney involving the computerized painting system
\nthat was used to color _Beauty and the Beast_ and _Rescuers Down Under_.
\n(The system eliminates the use of cels by coloring the animators’
\ndrawings electronically and merging them with the background art.)<\/p>\n

This is worth noting because Disney has *never* admitted to using this
\nsystem. Just why they haven’t is anyone’s guess, but may have to do
\nwith hopes of selling limited edition cels based on movies that
\ndidn’t really use cels.<\/p>\n

Anyhow, Disney’s secret — wbich has been discussed on BIX for quite
\nawhile — is out. Apparently, Disney is unhappy with Pixar for spilling
\nthe beans, too.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2561, from hmccracken, 832 chars, Mon Mar 30 17:41:55 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2553.
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\nThe Tex Avery on video list is great, Doug. I think it’s been mentioned
\nhere that there are plans underway for a laserdisc collection of *all*
\nof Tex’s MGM works (although one wonders whether _Uncle Tom_ will be part
\nof this set).<\/p>\n

As far as Ted Turner’s growing percentage of our cartoon heritage goes —
\nyou’re absolutely right. Turner isn’t a purist (in fact, he delights in
\nannoying purists). As has been mentioned here. there are plans afoot
\nto recolor all the b&w cartoons owned by Turner, using the ghastly
\nKorean-slave-wage method.<\/p>\n

I’m all for fans besieging Turner with letters about all this, but
\nI don’t think it will do much good. (Did Ted listen when Woody et al
\ncomplained about his tampering with live-action films?) Unfortunately,
\nwe may just have to wait until all these films go into the
\npublic domain.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2562, from bcapps, 176 chars, Tue Mar 31 02:06:57 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2548.
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\nRats! Guess we’ll have to keep combing the flea markets then. :-\/ And I
\nSO wanted to get some more classic silent comedies on film. Who knows?
\nI’ve been lucky before!<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2563, from bcapps, 1999 chars, Tue Mar 31 02:27:08 1992
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\nTITLE: Alas, the result was Silence
\nIt appears that the pressure of being “replaced” by drawings swayed the
\nvotes such that “Beauty and the Beast” did not win, losing out to “Silence
\nof the Lambs,” the overall BIG winner with a sweep of the the top 4 (actor,
\nactress, director and picture) awards, a feat last repeated by “One Flew
\nover the Cuckoo’s Nest” in 1975. Beauty was a strong early favorite of most
\ncritics (who, obviously, do not vote), but continuous remarks about a film
\nwithout actors and actresses on the screen seemed to underscore H’wood’s
\ncaution about giving such a film its highest accolade. With computer
\nanimation becoming more advanced, it appears that the Academy wants to
\ncontinue to recognize films that use real people as the actors and actresses,
\nnot just as the voices, or the basis for the images. It is interesting to
\nnote that the voice actors for B&B are getting much more recognition within
\nthe industry, according to a USA Today article. Also, in the same paper,
\nit was predicted by one reviewer, that “Silence” would win, even in the
\naftermath of the horrors perpetrated by Jeffrey Dahmer, since it had so many
\nredeeming qualities about it and that it was a very well produced film.
\nWhile it demonstrated some of mankind’s more horrific possibilities, it also
\nshowed mankind’s more sensitive and diligent side, to illustrate that
\nalthough killers may walk among us, we fight daily to remove them from the
\nthe general populace sometimes at great risks to ourselves and those around
\nus.<\/p>\n

To end this note on a happier thing of the same name (note!), Jodie Foster
\nwas quoted in (again) the USA Today as saying that the best thing is to be
\nnominated, which establishes the industry’s recognition of its best. The
\nawards ceremony might as well be a bingo game in which one of the five gets
\nlucky. The nomination is really the thing. The award is just winning the
\npopularity contest. So, while B&B did not win, they placed in some very
\ngood company.<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2564, from ianl, 425 chars, Tue Mar 31 03:24:13 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2563.
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I’v seen several people make comments on TV or in print recently about
\nan animated feature not winning because it takes work away from actors.
\nSurely it takes just as many actors to make an animated feature? In fact,
\nit must take more people in general to make an animated feature than a
\nlive-action movie. And, you’d think the academy of industry folks would
\nbe well aware of that, even if some media pundits aren’t.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2565, from jshook, 336 chars, Tue Mar 31 23:19:36 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2563.
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Well, I think good animators *are* actors. They just act with
\ndrawings rather than their bodies. But watch almost any
\ncharacter from a well-animated film. That character is
\nacting–revealing character through movement and behavior, not
\njust by vocal inflections. And the drawings that create that
\ncharacter didn’t just happen….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2566, from davemackey, 225 chars, Wed Apr 1 04:58:00 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2564.
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\nSally Field made a seemingly tongue-in-cheek comment about that last night,
\nbut I think she sort of let her anger show through that an animated feature
\nwas considered for Best Picture.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2567, from davemackey, 311 chars, Fri Apr 3 16:20:14 1992
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Bill Hendricks
\nWilliam L. Hendricks, who produced Warner Bros. Cartoons in the late
\n1960’s, died on Sunday of a heart attack in Burbank, California at
\nthe age of 87. Mr. Hendricks was also founder of Toys For Tots, which
\ngives toys to needy children at Christmastime. –Dave
\n.
\nadd<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2568, from hmccracken, 147 chars, Fri Apr 3 22:53:11 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2567.
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\nThanks for the note, Dave. This may explain why I’ve seen Warner Bros.
\ncharacters used in advertisements for the Toys for Tots campaign.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2569, from olson, 71 chars, Sat Apr 4 21:56:28 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2436.
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If true, not the first time Spielb. swiped something. Strange dude.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2570, from drtoon, 547 chars, Tue Apr 7 19:51:45 1992
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\nTITLE: Cartoon Clubs
\nDoes anyone know of a general sort of cartoon fan club? Oddly enough, I’m not
\naware of any clubs for cartoon collectors as such. There are numerous clubs and
\nmagazines for Japanese animation fans, fan clubs for specific characters like
\nPopeye, organizations for animators and industry people, several magazines for
\ncartoon collectors, many college animation clubs, and several computer bulletin
\nboard services that have animation conferences.. but no generalized cartoon
\nclubs as such that I know of. Any ideas?
\n-Doug.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2571, from hmccracken, 477 chars, Wed Apr 8 13:29:05 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2570.
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\nGee, I can’t think of any national cartoon clubs, Doug. There are probably
\nregional ones — _Animato_ was originally the newsletter of something
\ncalled the Cartoon RoundTable Organization of New England (CARTOONE).
\nThe closest thing I can think of is the Animation Art Guild, which is
\nrun by our own Pam and Mike Scoville (mscoville). But that’s an organization
\nfor animation art collectors, not a “Cartoon Club.” There are also at
\nleast two nationwide Disney clubs.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2572, from hmccracken, 464 chars, Wed Apr 8 23:12:51 1992
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\nTITLE: _Aladdin_ Preview
\nThe new video of Disney’s _101 Dalmatians_ includes a short, very
\ntantalizing preview for Disney’s _Aladdin_, scheduled to hit
\ntheaters around Thanksgivingtime. You can’t tell all that much’from a trailer, but
\nthe art style looks rather 40s-ish and perhaps a bit funnier than
\nmost recent Disney features. The songs are by the _Little Mermaid_\/
\n_Beuaty and the Beast_ team of Ashman and Menken. I’m already
\nlooking forward to it!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2573, from hkenner, 133 chars, Thu Apr 9 00:14:33 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2560.
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\nDDisney has *always* believed in keeping the public ignorant. Witness
\nall the long-ago misinformation about the Multiplane process.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2574, from dano, 24 chars, Sat Apr 11 13:44:12 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2524.
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\nPrice? Ordering Adress?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2575, from davemackey, 410 chars, Tue Apr 14 20:55:58 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2505.
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\nI happened to watch “The Nutcracker Prince” today on HBO (today was
\ncatch-up-on-feature-films-on-premium-channels day at work, I also watched
\n“Boyz N The Hood” during a staff meeting and something called “Lisa” on
\nCinemax), and what struck me as unusual about the film was the two distinct
\nanimation styles used. Sort of like Disney and UPA coexisting in the same
\nfilm.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2576, from hmccracken, 128 chars, Wed Apr 15 17:14:39 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2574.
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\nI’ll have to check and see if I still have the press release I got
\nthat information from, Dan; if I do, I’ll post it.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2577, from olson, 12 chars, Thu Apr 16 04:47:48 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2565.
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\nwell said.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2578, from davemackey, 345 chars, Fri Apr 17 19:07:17 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2572.
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\nWhile in the Suncoast in Jersey City the other day, I happened on the
\n“Aladdin” preview and what I saw was some of Disney’s most fanciful animation
\nin quite some time. I am hopeful that the remainder of the film (which I
\nwould presume is still Being Drawn even as I write this) will be just as
\nenjoyable.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2579, from hmccracken, 237 chars, Sat Apr 18 00:35:13 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2578.
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\nWell, Jerry Beck attended a press preview and raves about what he
\nsaw — especially the Genie, who is voiced by Robin Williams.
\nApparently, they let Robin ad lib like crazy, then did very literal
\nanimation of whatever he said.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2580, from switch, 434 chars, Sat Apr 18 21:17:35 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nAn interesting question was brought up in last week’s CBIX: just what does
\na director of animation do? Given my penchant to overdo things, I decided
\nto to reply with a series of messages in animation\/main, based on what I was
\ntaught in school and on my own experiences, explaining how an animated film
\nis produced, from start to finish. Comments are definitely welcome, as my
\nexperiences and classes are by no means complete.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2581, from switch, 1988 chars, Sat Apr 18 21:35:46 1992
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\nThe first step in any creative process is the initial idea. One of the first
\nrules I learned through experience is to write down whatever comes to mind,
\nASAP>. More than a few really good ideas are lost or corrupted because I’ve
\nwaited a few hours to commit pen to paper, or decided to refine a bit more.
\nI find it’s a good idea to just scribble furiously as the ideas come, and do
\nany weeding later.<\/p>\n

After this, I try to write a detailed summary of what goes on in the film.
\n(My instructor stressed getting the story nailed down at this point, but that
\nseems to fly in the face of his later explanationon the use of storyboards.)
\nFrom here, I start storyboarding. We were taught to do storyboards on index
\ncards, since you can cram quite a bit of information into a 3″ x 5″ card.<\/p>\n

(My sister has just smacked me on the head and told me to explain just what
\nstoryboards are.) Storyboards are essentially the working outline of the film.
\nGenerally, on each index card you have a quick sketch of the shot, an
\nexplanation of what goes on in that shot, and maybe something to describe
\nany sound effects or dialogue. It’s also nice to show what camera movements
\nare going to be used for a particular shot. How detailed the storyboards are
\nis up to the creators, and to some degree dependent on how many people are
\nworking on the film. When my partner Alan and I were working on _Academy
\nLeader Repairman_, we generally broke it down to one index card for every
\nmajor motion, since the film largely features the antics of this poor guy
\ntrying to fix a broken Academy leader. On the other hand, when working on
\nstoryboards for _Cyberjam_ for my grant application, there were a great deal
\nmore since it involved many more camera moves, varying shots, etc.<\/p>\n

Anyway, once you’ve got everything ‘boarded, you can lay them all out on
\na table or pin them on a board and rearrange whole scenes to suit as you
\nwork out the final details of the structure of the film.<\/p>\n

To be continued…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2582, from switch, 1363 chars, Sat Apr 18 21:45:12 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2581.
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\nI just got my hands on storyboard sheets — 8-1\/2″ x 11″ sheets of paper
\nwhich allow for much more detailed storyboards, with explanations for timing,
\nlength of a shot, dialogue, sound effects, etc. They don’t have the same
\nhigh portability rating as index cards and they’re not as easy to shuffle, but
\nit seems to allow for more clarity in the ‘boards themselves, even if you
\nleave half the sheet empty. I’m going to be ‘boarding _Fritter (Stella’s
\nHome)_ for someone else to animate with these, so I’ll see what advantages
\nor disadvantages they offer when the person using them isn’t the same person
\nwho created them.<\/p>\n

Now, somewhere along the line you’ve got to figure out where everything
\ngoes. This is the layout stage, and depending on how you work can be done
\nbefore storyboarding, after, or not at all. This is where you figure out
\nhow each “set” is going to be laid out. Most of the time in animation you’ll
\nnever actually use a physical set, but you have to make sure everything’s
\nconsistent. The table lamp’s always got to be in the same place, plugged into
\nthe same socket, and stand at the same height, otherwise the viewer might
\nnotice something’s up, which would detract from enjoyment of the film. None
\nof the films I’ve worked on have ever depended on layout, so I can’t offer
\nany opinions on the workings of the process.<\/p>\n

To be continued<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2583, from switch, 769 chars, Sat Apr 18 21:52:47 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2582.
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\nLast message for now (I’m composing this on the fly, and it shows): in the
\nprocess so far, a director would be overseeing the storyboards and layout,
\nmaking sure everything fits in with the overall vision of the film (be it his
\nor someone else’s). Everything he does here has an analogy to live-action
\ndirection: a live-action director decides that a ceiling shot will be
\neffective, so he gets the camera rigged to the ceiling. An animation director
\nmakes sure that the scene will be drawn from that angle. A live-action
\ndirector decides that the Addams family’s house has to have furnishings of a
\ncertain period, so he gets the guys in props to find or build appropriate
\nfurnishings; an animation director finds reference books or models and draws
\nsketches.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2584, from davemackey, 828 chars, Sun Apr 19 01:00:09 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2580.
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\nI am looking forward to these messages, Emru. We will be looking forward to
\nthese, and I’m sure I’ll have some thoughts… as I do now in struggling to
\ndefine “what is a director”.
\nThe function of “Director” varied from studio to studio. At Warner
\nBros., for example, the directors were intimately involved in every aspect of
\ntheir films, from start to finish. OTOH, though Dave Fleischer got direction
\ncredits on every Fleischer Studios cartoon, evidence suggests that it was the
\nhead animators (Doc Crandall, Seymour Kneitel, Myron Waldman, Willard Bowsky,
\nDave Tendlar et.al.) who assumed most of the directorial duties. To picture
\nDave Fleischer and Friz Freleng as having the same job because “Directed By”
\nappears in front of their name of animated film credits is pure folly.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2585, from hmccracken, 781 chars, Mon May 4 17:34:54 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2584.
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\nRight. And even within studios, the job varied from director to director.
\nChuck Jones drew hundreds, if not thousands, of pictures for each cartoon,
\ndefining the acting and staging down to a very precise level. Jones’
\nlayout drawings, from his own hand, were very close to the animation
\nthat his animators eventually produced. On the other hand, Friz Freleng
\nleft a lot of the drawing to his layout artist. Note also that for many
\nyears at the Disney Studio, directors were carrying out the instructions
\nof Walt himself rather closely; it was only in later years that Disney
\ndirectors had a lot of independence.<\/p>\n

(Of course, the above examples refer to studio animation: a director
\nof an independent animated film will almost certainly do much more of
\nthe work himself.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2586, from davemackey, 692 chars, Mon May 4 20:45:53 1992
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\nTITLE: You never know who you’ll run into
\n…at baseball card\/comic book shows.
\nOne of the vendors at the show held this past weekend in Seaview Square
\nMall in Ocean Township, New Jersey, was none other than former Famous Studios
\nanimator Gerry Dvorak, who was selling copies of his original art and prints
\nand collectors plates of famous baseball players.
\nDvorak was also associated with Topps Chewing Gum, working with Woody
\nGelman and other Paramount animators on designing trading cards. Throughout
\nthe 50’s and 60’s he had many theatrical and TV screen credits on Paramount
\ncartoons, most prominently on the King Features Popeye series.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2587, from davemackey, 240 chars, Sun May 10 07:56:19 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2585.
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\nJerry Beck’s Tweety and Sylvester book reproduces some Freleng story roughs
\nwhich look absolutely brilliant, and it made me wish that they’d have worked
\nfrom those instead of Hawley Pratt’s cleanups.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2588, from davemackey, 496 chars, Thu May 28 20:32:40 1992
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Ben Frommer
\nActor Ben Frommer died recently in Burbank at the age of 78.
\nThough the obituary in Variety noted a number of his film and TV
\ncredits, it left out the fact that in the 1960’s, he got a couple of voice
\ncredits for Warner Bros. cartoons, for films such as “I Was A Teenage Thumb”
\nand “Transylvania 6-5000” (where he played the vampire\/bat who was ultimately
\nat the whims of Bugs’ spells of “abracadabra” and “hocus-pocus”).
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2589, from switch, 239 chars, Fri May 29 00:20:36 1992
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\nTITLE: Mondo Flux
\nIn case anyone’s interested, the latest issue of _Mondo 2000_
\n(with the Kennedy assassination cover) has an interview with the
\ncreator of _Aeon Flux_, which has been featured on MTV’s _Liquid
\nTV_ for some time now.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2590, from ianl, 255 chars, Fri May 29 00:58:17 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2589.
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Hmmm, I’ve never heard of Mondo 2000, is it available at regular bookstores?<\/p>\n

Speaking of Liquid Television, it seems that MTV has discontinued it. Does
\nanyone know whether it’s been totally cancelled, or are they just putting
\ntogether a new season?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2591, from davemackey, 226 chars, Fri May 29 04:07:50 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2590.
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\nNo, Ian. I got the MTV June schedule at work, and it says that “Liquid
\nTelevision” is still on Sunday nights at 11:30 p.m., and yes, sometime this
\nsummer there WILL be new installments.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2592, from switch, 272 chars, Fri May 29 09:01:53 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2590.
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\n_Mondo 2000_ is a magazine about fringe arts, cyberpunk, irresponsible
\njournalism, and having a good and wacky time. It’s easier to find
\nthan it used to be, but it’s still a pain to track it down in
\nmany areas. If you’re interested, I can always send you a copy.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2593, from ianl, 807 chars, Fri May 29 19:31:01 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2591.
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Hmmm, maybe a change in the local tv listings supplements here then. I
\nlooked a couple weeks in a row to see if Liquid TV had changed timeslots
\nor what, and couldn’t find it anywhere. Of course, these freebie tv listings
\nthat come with the sunday papers are notoriously innaccurate, I might’ve
\njust picked a couple weeks where they blew it on the LTV listing.<\/p>\n

Actually, this is good news to me, because I had wanted to tape a full
\nset of LTV espisodes in high-quality speed. Right now I only have about
\nhalf of them in tape-saving speed, and the last one (with the complete
\nAeon Flux) in high-quality speed.<\/p>\n

Of course, it’s also good news that there’ll be new ones this summer. I
\nreally like LTV, everything from the slick shorts to the really low-quality
\n(but funny) things like Cut-up Camera.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2594, from ianl, 293 chars, Fri May 29 19:32:40 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2592.
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Hmmm, if it’s even semi-rare, that means I have to run down to The Tatterred
\nCover (the biggest bookstore I’ve ever seen anywhere). I’ve been considering
\na run down there anyway, it’s all the way across town (35 miles or so) but
\nit’s well worth the trip if you’ve got a few bucks to blow.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2595, from mscoville, 581 chars, Sat May 30 00:16:59 1992
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\nTITLE: Thief & Cobbler Update
\nAs was reported earlier, there is a problem with Richard Williams’ The Thief
\nand the Cobbler. It has been taken over by the Completion Bond Company for going
\nway over budget. According to the company there less than ten minutes that have
\nto be finished for the movie to be complete. The expected running time will be
\n78 minutes. The animation will be completed in both Los Angeles and London. Plans call for the film to be completed by
\nthe end of the year. Warner Bros. will
\nstill be the U.S. distributor, but no release date has slated. mscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2597, from hmccracken, 116 chars, Sat May 30 22:39:41 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2596.
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\nDid something odd happen to your formatting, Emru — or are you using
\na 132-column terminal or something?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2598, from switch, 43 chars, Sat May 30 22:48:02 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2597.
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\nWhoops! Thanks, I’ll clear that up.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2599, from switch, 3217 chars, Sat May 30 22:57:02 1992
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\nTITLE: Here we go…<\/p>\n

A bit more on how animation is put together, from personal
\nexperience…<\/p>\n

From this point, we have a lot of options. We could do the
\nsoundtrack of the film first, or go ahead and do an exposure
\nsheet (also called a dope sheet) beforehand. Just for the heck
\nof it, we’ll tackle the soundtrack last.<\/p>\n

An exposure or dope sheet is one of the most important parts of
\nany structured animation project. A dope sheet is a
\nframe-by-frame breakdown of everything that will be happening in
\nyour animation. A dope sheet is just lined paper, broke n into
\ncolumns. It can be as simple as one column for the frame number,
\none column a brief description of what’s going on, and one column
\nto indicate which drawing will be shot for this frame… or it
\ncan be a more complicated affair, with several columns to
\nindicate which cel will be at which layer for a particular frame,
\nseveral columns to indicate var ious tracks for the sound, space
\nto indicate beats for sound or references for motion,
\ninstructions for the cameraman, and so on.<\/p>\n

Generally speaking, dope sheets start out simply with little
\nnotes or sketches for the animator or director to refer to as
\nhe\/they work everything out. Example: let’s just say we’re
\nworking on a dope sheet for _Academy Leader Repairman_
\n(actually, we never did, but that’s a different story.) The film
\nstarts with an Academy Leader doing its countdown, from eight
\nuntil three. When it hits the number three, the “needle” slows
\ndown, grinds to a halt, and then bends out of shape. After a
\npause, the title fades in, sits there, and fades out.<\/p>\n

We’re doing this animation at 12 frames per second, so I would
\nmark off frames one through twelve for the number 8, 13 through
\n24 for 7, 25 through 36 for 6, and so on. Once that’s done, I’d
\nwrite “Academy Leader Countdown” across that p age, so that the
\ndirectors (Alan and I) and the animator (Alan) would no what we
\nhad planned, even if we look at it a y ear later. When we get to
\nthe point where the needle breaks down, we’d get more detailed.
\nSince the needle is decelerating, it’ll take more than a second
\nfor it to make its partial revolution. We could figure out how
\nmany frames we expect it to take (I would do this my making the
\nsound effect of something slowing down, and time it), then fill
\nin the correct amount of frames. “Needle slows down” would be
\nwritten into the description, and an curved line would indicate
\ndeceleration on the far right. In the sound effects column we’d
\nfill in “something winding down”, so’d we’d remember what sound
\neffect to hunt for or create later. We’d then indicate the frame
\nwhere the needle gets bent out of shape (and the sound effect it
\ncreates), and how many frames we want it to sit there (about
\nthirty seconds). After five seconds, we want the title to fade
\nin over two seconds, stay there for fifteen seconds, and then
\nfade out over another two seconds. So we’d write that in for the
\nappropriate frames as well, maybe graphically indicating the fade
\nin, hold, and fade out.<\/p>\n

Bear in mind that this is just the opening to a two-and-a-half
\nminute film, and you can see why we decided to just chuck the
\nexposure sheet in favor of a Hallowe’en party.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2600, from hmccracken, 217 chars, Sun May 31 21:08:07 1992
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\nInteresting stuff, Emru. I believe that the exposure sheet — not
\nsurprisingly — was created at the Disney studio sometime in the
\nearly 1930s. And I’ve never heard them referred to as “Dope sheets”
\nbefore.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2601, from switch, 135 chars, Sun May 31 22:21:28 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2600.
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\nI learned both terms simultaneously, and use them interchangeably.
\n(‘course, I can’t remember exactly _who_ gave me which term.)<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2602, from davemackey, 268 chars, Mon Jun 1 05:55:37 1992
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\nTITLE: She didn’t win…
\nThe voice of The Little Mermaid, Jodi Benson, failed in her attempt to win a
\nTony award for her role in “Crazy For You.” The award for Best Actress In A
\nMusical went to Faith Prince of “Guys And Dolls.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2603, from hmccracken, 516 chars, Wed Jun 3 23:57:56 1992
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\nTITLE: Mark Your Calendars…
\nNext Tuesday’s 10pm EDT animation CBIX will be a very special event.
\nDoug Ranney, proprietor of Whole Toon Access, will be our special
\nguest. Most of you know that Doug is on BIX as drtoon and in his
\nreal life is the man behind the Whole Toon Catalog, an outstanding
\nand comprehensive mail order catalog of animation videos, books,
\nand other merchandise. His work has made him an expert on these
\nsubjects, and on Tuesday we’ll take the opportunity to pick his
\nbrains on them!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2604, from hmccracken, 435 chars, Sat Jun 6 16:12:59 1992
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\nTITLE: Cartoon Art Museum in Limbo
\nAs has been reported here in the past, the Museum of Carton Art is
\nplanning to move from its Rye Brook, New York home to a Florida
\nlocation. I heard recently that they will be shutting down in
\nNew York later this month, but there is no definite schedule for
\nrelocating to Florida, and no definite new location in mind. It’s
\na nice museum, and I hope it doesn’t somehow die in this process.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2605, from hmccracken, 706 chars, Fri Jun 12 00:45:45 1992
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Martin Goodman
\nMartin Goodman died in West Palm Beach, Florida on Saturday, after a
\nlong illness. He was 84. In the 1930s, Goodman founded the comic
\nbook-publishing company that at different times has been known as
\nTimely Comics, Atlas Comics, and today is Marvel Comics. The
\nobituary in the Boston Herald seems to suggest that Goodman created
\nCaptain America, but I’ve never heard any indication before that he
\nwas involved in the creative end of his publications.<\/p>\n

Goodman sold Marvel in the 1960s, I believe, and was last visible
\nin the mid-1970s, when he founded another comics company, also
\ncalled Atlas, to compete directly with Marvel. The Atlas line lasted
\nonly briefly.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2606, from hmccracken, 686 chars, Fri Jun 12 00:49:49 1992
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\nTITLE: Tuesday’s Special Animation CBIX with Whole Toon’s Doug Ranney…
\nranked high on the enthusiuasm and interest level scales — lots of
\nfolks showed up and asked Doug lots of interesting questions —
\nbut BIX technical snafus interfered with the evening several times
\nand prevented everyone who would have liked to attend from participating
\nfully.<\/p>\n

Forunately, Doug has expressed his willingness to try again, and if folks
\nare interested, we can do a second session with him. Doug’s also here
\non BIX as drtoon — you can ask him questions here in the conference
\nor via BIXmail.<\/p>\n

Thanks for participating in the CBIX, Doug — despite the BIX foul-ups,
\nit was a lot of fun!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2607, from davemackey, 2302 chars, Sat Jun 13 01:14:29 1992
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\nTITLE: Gone, but not forgotten…
\nAt the recent Screen Cartoonists Local 839 banquet, the program made note of
\na number of animation luminaries who passed away in the last twelve months,
\nmany of which have not been reported here. In summation, we lost a hell of a
\nlot of talent this past year. In addition to the more well-publicized
\npassings of the Art Babbitts and the Grim Natwicks, these men and women have
\nalso slipped into the night, and we honor their achievements here as we were
\nnot able to in a more timely fashion. In alphabetical order…
\nED BARGE, one of Bill and Joe’s Tom And Jerry team at M-G-M…
\nBOB CARLSON, veteran of the Disney studio…
\nGERRY CHINIQUY, animator for WB and later director for DePatie-Freleng
\nand Marvel Productions…
\nSTEVE CLARK, a Hanna-Barbera storyboard artist…
\nDON DAGRADI, background man at Disney…
\nPAUL FENNELL, a longtime industry fixture as animator and director; in
\nfact two of the artists who worked with him on Popeye cartoons in the 1960’s
\nalso left us, JEAN BLANCHARD (also with WB) and GEORGE ROWLEY (also with
\nDisney),,,
\nFLORENCE FINKELHOR, inker\/painter with Warner Bros…
\nBOB GOE, director for Hanna-Barbera…
\nFRED GRABLE, animator with UPA…
\nRUTH KISSANE, highly regarded animator…
\nAL KOUZEL, Terrytoons designer\/artist and more recently director with
\nMarvel Productions…
\nHICKS LOKEY, animator with Fleischer and Hanna-Barbera…
\nDICK LUNDY, one of the animators who brought Disney’s “The Three Little
\nPigs” to life, director for Walter Lantz and M-G-M, and a longtime
\nHanna-Barbera animator…
\nLANCE NOLLEY, layout artist for Disney and on many TV cartoons…
\nKEN O’BRIEN, Disney and Lantz animator…
\nMIKE SEKOWSKY, whose career encompassed both animation and comics…
\nED SOLOMON, best known as an animator for Filmation…
\nSANDY STROTHER, an animator for Disney studios…
\nNOEL TUCKER, one of the industry’s most prolific layout men…
\nGORDON WHITTIER, animator for Famous Studios…
\nADRIAN WOOLERY, one of the charter employees of the company that became
\nUPA; also operator of the Playhouse Pictures studio…
\nand RUDY ZAMORA, animator for Fleischer and Lantz among many others.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2608, from hmccracken, 346 chars, Sat Jun 13 12:51:42 1992
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\nThat’s terrible! I didn’t know about most of these deaths, and I think
\nfew if any even made it into _Variety_. While some of the names you
\nlist aren’t familiar to me, others were major talents. Dick Lundy,
\nespecially — one of the finest Disney animators of the 1930s, then
\na director who made fine cartoons for Disney, Lantz and MGM.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2609, from davemackey, 363 chars, Sun Jun 14 16:46:43 1992
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\nTITLE: Obituary: John Myhers
\nJohn Myhers, actor in television, film and stage, died on May 27 of pneumonia
\nin Los Angeles. In addition to his credits in these media, including a long
\nrun in the national touring company of “The Sound Of Music,” Myhers was also
\nthe voice of Hector Heathcote in the Terrytoons of the 1960’s.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2610, from hmccracken, 837 chars, Mon Jun 15 22:00:24 1992
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\nTITLE: _Animato_ Names New Editor
\n_Animato_ magazine, the oldest U.S. magazine on animation (it will
\nturn ten years old next Spring), has named G. Michael Dobbs as
\nEditor. Dobbs, who has written a column for _Animato_ for many
\nyears, succeeds _Animato_ founder Mike Ventrella. Ventrella edited
\nissues #1-#14; Harry McCracken (Hey! That’s me!) did #15-#21;
\nand Ventrella returned for the most recent issue, #22.<\/p>\n

Having spoken with Mike Dobbs about his plans for _Animato_, I’m
\nquite enthusiastic about the magazine’s prospects. Mike plans
\nto do his darndest to get the magazine out on a quarterly schedule —
\nsomething it hasn’t met in many years — and has some exciting plans
\nfor future issues. For instance, issue #24, due out in December,
\nwill have an interview with Ray Harryhausen and a painted cover
\nby Steve Bissette.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2611, from switch, 33 chars, Mon Jun 15 23:01:46 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2610.
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\nWow! That’s great, Harry!<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2612, from davemackey, 247 chars, Tue Jun 16 19:02:03 1992
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\nWell, congratulations to Michael Dobbs on his appointment. Please make sure
\nhe has my address\/phone number, and I regret (in retrospect) not giving Mike
\nVentrella anything for his one and only return issue.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2613, from davemackey, 1098 chars, Tue Jun 16 19:02:32 1992
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\nOf course, the death that broke my heart the biggest was that of the great
\nGerry Chiniquy. He was perhaps Friz Freleng’s best animator during his glory
\nyears at Warner Bros. (no small feat in a unit which also included Virgil
\nRoss, Art Davis, Ken Champin, Manny Perez and Art Leonardi), and was one of
\nthe few animators in the 50’s who got to solo on a cartoon, 1955’s “Pappy’s
\nPuppy.” In fact, you could also count “Three Little Bops” for which Chiniquy
\nshared credit with then-assistant Bob Matz.
\nIt’s interesting that Chiniquy’s first appearance on a Warner Bros.
\ncartoon was a live action role: he played the director who orders Porky Pig
\nthrown off a soundstage in “You Ought To Be In Pictures”; later in 1940 he
\ngot his first screen credit for “Sport Chumpions.” He later became a primary
\ndirector, with Hawley Pratt, of the Pink Panther cartoons and worked on most
\nof the DePatie-Freleng series, theatrical and television, then worked for
\nWarner Bros. and later Marvel Prods. in the 80’s, closing out his career on a
\nrather undistinguished note.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2614, from hmccracken, 48 chars, Wed Jun 17 23:14:54 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2613.
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\nYes, the great Gerry will be missed.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2615, from hmccracken, 307 chars, Wed Jun 17 23:16:15 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2612.
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\nI will be trying to help Mike Dobbs in this transitional period,
\nseeing as it falls pretty close on the heels of my own tenure
\nas Animato’s editor. One additional Animato tidbit: the magazine
\nis about to incorporate as a Massachusetts non-profit organization,
\nwith Yrs. Truly as a Vice President.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2616, from hmccracken, 424 chars, Sat Jun 20 18:41:32 1992
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\nTITLE: Warners Great Sues Collector
\nVirgil Ross, one of the great animators who worked in Friz Freleng’s
\nunit at Warner Bros., is suing Steve Schneider, author of the book
\n_That’s All, Folks!_ over 2,100 cels which Ross originally owned
\nand are now in Schneider’s possession. Apparently, Schneider is of
\nthe belief that Ross gave him the cels, while Ross says they were
\nmerely lent to Schneider for a museum show.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2617, from davemackey, 138 chars, Sun Jun 21 02:14:32 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2616.
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\nMakes one wonder if Schneider had any similar arrangements with any other
\nWarner Bros. artists…
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2618, from davemackey, 371 chars, Fri Jun 26 19:31:09 1992
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\nTITLE: Bleier no longer WB-Anim’s top guy
\nAs part of a restructuring that will have him focusing his energies on the
\nstudio’s cable TV and pay-per-view strategies, Edward Bleier has been
\nrelieved of all executive responsibility for Warner Bros. Animation.
\nThis means that Jean H. MacCurdy is now WB’s top animation executive.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2619, from mscoville, 640 chars, Fri Jun 26 19:47:53 1992
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\nTITLE: New Movie
\nAugust 28th, 1992 will see a new premiere of an animated feature called Freddie
\nFRO. It is about the adventures of a frog detective. Having seen just a few
\nminutes of the film I cannot say how it will go over, but I did see that they
\nhave spent money on the “old” style of animation. It is lush, detailed, and I
\nthink beautiful. The director is Jon Acevski and it was done in England under
\nThe Hollywood Road Film Production banner. There is a character in the film
\ncalled Nessie who will be a favorite of everyone. With Freddie and Pinocchio
\nopening, we now have at least 2 animated films to enjoy this summer.
\nmscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2620, from hmccracken, 911 chars, Thu Jul 2 20:57:03 1992
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\nTITLE: Changes in _New Yorker_ cartoons?
\nBy now, you may have heard about the changing of the guard at _The
\nNew Yorker_: Tina Brown, editor of the flashy and gossipy _Vanity
\nFair_ is replacing Robert Gottlieb. As a comics fan, I’m wondering
\nhow this will effect those _New Yorker_ cartoons (which have been
\nthe main reason to pick up the magazine for a long time).<\/p>\n

One article on the editorial change quoted Brown as allowing that
\nat least some of the magazine’s cartoons were kind of stale. Actu
\nally, I think that the quality went up a notch or two under
\nGottlieb (though it should be noted that Lee Lorenz has been
\nthe magazine’s cartoon editor for almost twenty years).<\/p>\n

Tina Brown will doubtless be putting her own imprint on the
\nmagazine, and it will be interesting to see if it extends to
\nthe cartoons. (Which raises in my mind the horrifying image
\nof a nude, pregnant Eustace Tilley. Eek!)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2621, from sharonfisher, 117 chars, Fri Jul 3 13:13:51 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2620.
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\n>nude, pregnant Eustace Tilley
\nIf that’s the top-hatted guy, it’s already happened; I saw it in the
\nChronicle today.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2622, from hmccracken, 66 chars, Fri Jul 3 20:08:42 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2621.
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\nYup, that’s Eustace! I guess the gag is an obvious one.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2623, from mscoville, 707 chars, Fri Jul 3 21:32:18 1992
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\nTITLE: Beauty & The Beast
\nIt is not official, but Sotheby’s & Disney have announced that they will be
\nauctioning off the backgrounds and “created cels” from the movie “Beauty &
\nThe Beast”. The only rarity factor will be the backgrounds, which from what
\nI seen are truly gorgeous. They have actually put up some of the better bgs.
\ninstead of the generic washes that they have auctioned from Mermaid. They are
\ngoing to hold the auction at the El Capitan Theatre in LA. The reason is that
\nthey have had complaints from west coast bidders that all the auctions have
\nbeen on the east coast. Also, Disney put some $30 million in restoring the
\ntheatre. It is where the world premiere of B & B happened. mscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2624, from switch, 887 chars, Sat Jul 4 22:10:42 1992
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\nTITLE: Pinocchio
\nI finally saw _Pinocchio_, this last Wednesday. While the movie
\nwas technically excellent – and I can watch the whole thing, which
\nI can’t do with some other Disney movies (_Snow White_ comes to
\nmind), I can’t say as I liked the execution of the story itself.
\nSome bits of business I felt were a bit too self-indulgent; Jiminy
\nCricket’s comments were sometimes irritating; and, lastly, how
\nthe heck did Gepetto get inside Monstro, along with Figaro and
\nCleo (in her fishbowl, no less?) That bit with the note coming
\nout of the sky, informing Pinocchio and J.C. of Gepetto’s fate
\nseemed a bit contrived, too.<\/p>\n

Oh, yes – the incredible sight of Monstro heaving himself out
\nof the water was diminished by the accompanying sound effects.
\nIt just sounded like lots of water splashing. Where’s the bass?
\nWhere’s the rumble I can feel in the bottom of my seat? Pity.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2625, from switch, 62 chars, Sat Jul 4 22:11:11 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2624.
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\nLampwick’s transformation was pretty scary, I must say.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2626, from hmccracken, 830 chars, Sun Jul 5 00:14:42 1992
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\nHmmm. While I’ve heard a number of criticisms of _Pinocchio_’s
\nstory (among them that it’s unclear if the tale is stretched over
\none day or several years), none of them matter to me. What makes
\nthe film Disney’s, and perhaps animation’s, crowning accomplishment
\nto me is its emotional impact — Gepetto’s love for his son is
\n*real*, as are Pinocchio’s heroism, Stromboli’s evil, and everything
\nelse in the film. The whole thing comes from the heart — something
\nthat can’t be said about many contemporary animated films, Disney
\nor otherwise.<\/p>\n

That it’s technically superb, has some of the greatest animation and
\nsongs ever, and is never boring don’t hurt either. And that scene
\nin which Honest John, Gideon and the Coachman meet in a smoke-filled
\ntavern is for me the greatest couple of minutes in any animated feature.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2627, from hmccracken, 908 chars, Sun Jul 5 22:08:12 1992
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\nJust got back from seeing _Pinocchio_ myself, and kudos are in order
\nfor Disney — they released it in the correct, squarish ratio this time.
\nUsually, re-releases of early Disney cartoons are squashed into a
\nrectangular format that fills the screen but cuts off the edges of the
\noriginal film. I can’t remember if this is the first time they’ve preserved
\nthe original ratio — the recent re-release of _Fantasia_ may have done
\nit as well.<\/p>\n

On the box-office front, I’m sorry to say that the showing I attended
\nwas pretty empty. It was a 7pm Sunday showing, which may not be a crowded
\ntime in general. The success of this reissue of _Pinocchio_ will be
\nworth following for two reasons: the film has traditionally been the
\nleast financially successful of classic Disney features in re-release,
\nand this is the first time that a Disney feature has returned to
\ntheaters after being available on video.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2628, from ianl, 624 chars, Mon Jul 6 19:43:36 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2627.
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I’m pretty sure the video release of Fantasia was done with what a friend
\nof mine used to call Pan-o-vision. I’m not sure if that’s a real term or
\njust his name for it, but it means basically that a camera was panned around
\nthe around Cinemascope version, centering on what the remake director thinks
\nis the center of action, and chopping off the rest of the view.<\/p>\n

There’s a couple places in the video Fantasia where the action looks a
\nbit jerky, as if the panning motion combined with the apparent onscreen
\nmotion of the scene combined in a bad way, making it looks like panning was
\ndone in a set of discrete steps.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2629, from switch, 37 chars, Mon Jul 6 22:04:09 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2626.
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\nYes. That scene is excellent.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2630, from switch, 170 chars, Mon Jul 6 22:04:55 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2627.
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\n_Fantasia_ did have the original ratio…<\/p>\n

Our showing was about normal for a Disney feature in the late afternoon,
\nat that cinema. Some really cute kids, though.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2631, from mscoville, 684 chars, Fri Jul 10 21:54:10 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2628.
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\nThe problem is that the ratio of the TV screen and the movie screen are 2
\ndiametrically opposed measurements. This is one of the main reasons why HDTV
\nwill be welcomed by the viewing world in that they will be able to see the same
\nratio of film to screen, thus seeing the entire image. At present, we lose
\nabout 20% on each side of the film and about the same for the top and bottom.
\nThe floating optical printer moves around the image at the will of the editor.
\nIn today’s films, one will see a credit for a video consultant whose job it is
\nto advise on how much of scenes will be cut off from view so they can make the
\nfilm and not lose a lot when it transfer to video. mscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2632, from nicolas, 300 chars, Tue Jul 14 13:50:45 1992
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\nTITLE: Disney Animation
\nI found a copy of the book _Disney Animation : the illusion of
\nLife_ by Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston at a book store. It’s
\na book published in 1981. I bought it right away although it was
\na bit expensive. Anyone here know about this book?<\/p>\n

……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2633, from switch, 191 chars, Tue Jul 14 19:38:48 1992
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\nRead it. It’s an excellent book on the history of the Disney studio by
\ntwo of Disney’s Nine Old Men. It contains many wonderful illustrations,
\nand it’s an easy (though lengthy) read.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2634, from nicolas, 323 chars, Wed Jul 15 02:00:48 1992
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\nSo I noticed. I have flipped through it once now. Amazed at the detail
\nof the illustrations. I especially like the neat trick of using the
\ntop right of the page to illustrate animation by flipping fast the
\npages.<\/p>\n

I will definitely watch my Disney video’s again with this book in
\nhand.
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2635, from hmccracken, 761 chars, Wed Jul 15 10:05:57 1992
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\nIt’s a really good book, with especially great illustrations. One thing
\nto keep in mind, though, is that it’s a history of Disney animation
\nwritten by two Disney animators. This has both good and bad points:
\nthey have a unique, up-close perspective on what they’re writing
\nabout, but they aren’t very objective. The book has been criticized
\nfor not giving Fred Moore, Bill Tytla and Art Babbitt their due.
\nCoincidentally or uncoincidentally, these three animators all left
\nthe Disney studio (unlike the Nine Old Men, who spent their entire
\ncareers at Disney).<\/p>\n

It’s still a great book, though, and if you like it, seek out the
\nother Johnston\/Thomas books: _Too Funny for Words_ (a book on Disney
\nhumor) and _Bambi_ (a book on the making of the film).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2636, from dick_miller, 687 chars, Thu Jul 16 02:50:12 1992
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\nTITLE: Help
\nI’ve been asked to talk about\/demonstrate a little about animation for some
\nkids taking a computer camp in early Aug. I’m really ignorant, had just
\nmade a couplke comments about the impact of computers on the field —
\npointed to Beauty and the Beast and The Last Starfighter as contrasted with
\nthe Hanna-Barbera-type stuff. They asked how animation was done and I made
\na reference to flip cards (like in the old arcades). Now I’m supposed to
\ndo something.
\nThere’s no budget. Is there anything (share or freeware) quickly available
\n(for Macs, since that’s what they’ll be using) that would let
\n11-to-13-year-olds do a little really basic stuff? Or am I comitting
\nheresy?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2637, from hmccracken, 373 chars, Thu Jul 16 09:54:00 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2636.
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\nDick —
\nWith luck, someone more up-to-date on Mac shareware than I am will
\nbe able to point you in the right direction. But here’s a possible
\nalternative, if nothing else is to be found: I used to use HyperCard
\nto do simple animation by creating a sequence of cards that formed
\nan animation, then flipping through them rapidly. It isn’t elegant,
\nbut it does work.
\n– Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2638, from dick_miller, 207 chars, Sat Jul 18 01:18:37 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2637.
\n————————–
\nI hadn’t thought of that. I’d been thinking of draw programs–printing the
\nsequences–pasting to posterboard or card stock–cutting apart–generating
\nprimitive flip books. Hypercard makes much more sense.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2639, from erethakbe, 169 chars, Sat Jul 18 13:43:19 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2635.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nInteresting. I’ve got it, and I thought it did fine by Bill Tytla.
\nObviously it only deals with his time with them, but they say
\nvery nice things about him in the book.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2640, from hmccracken, 550 chars, Sat Jul 18 19:54:30 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2639.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nActually, as I think it over, the book treats Tytla pretty well.
\nBut it’s pretty patronizing towards Fred Moore (without whom,
\nthere might not *be* Disney animation), and Art Babbitt *really*
\ngets the short shrift. This isn’t anything intentional on
\nthe part of Mssrs. Johnston and Thomas — they just are looking
\nat things from their own particular perspective. Their book
\ndevotes a lot of space to 1977’s _The Rescuers_ and calls it
\none of the best of all Disney films — a conclusion very few
\npeople who didn’t work on it would come to.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2641, from davemackey, 219 chars, Sun Jul 19 15:44:45 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2640.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nWell, Fred Moore died at his peak, so there is no excuse… but perhaps there
\nwas still bad blood on the part of Thomas and Johnston against Babbitt, and I
\nthink we all know why.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2642, from hkenner, 93 chars, Sun Jul 19 18:11:31 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2641.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\nThere are additional comments to message 2641.
\n————————–
\nDave– Please spell out why. (I am not being ironic. Faithful reader
\nseeks light.) –HK.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2643, from hmccracken, 174 chars, Sun Jul 19 23:38:58 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2642.
\n————————–
\nI suspect Dave is referring to the fact that Mr. Babbitt was one
\nof the leaders of the 1941 strike against Disney, and Mr.
\nThomas and Mr. Johnston did not strike.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2644, from hmccracken, 170 chars, Sun Jul 19 23:41:37 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2641.
\n————————–
\nActually, even though Moore died quite young, he was already in
\ndecline, as witness the fact that he had left Disney for
\nlesser studios like the Lantz studio.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2645, from dick_miller, 280 chars, Wed Jul 22 03:10:40 1992
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Motion Maker
\nI just received a shareware animator for the Mac called Motion Maker.
\nMy daughter and I would perhaps like to use it to show simple animation
\nwhile doing a kids’ computer camp. Its documentation is sparse and
\ndoesn’t hand-hold. Is anyone familiar with it?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2646, from davemackey, 1668 chars, Thu Jul 23 09:20:53 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Obituary: Rudolf Ising
\nRudolf Ising, co-producer of the first “Looney Tunes” and “Merrie
\nMelodies” cartoons with Hugh Harman and founder of the M-G-M
\nCartoon Studios, died on Saturday in Newport Beach, California,
\nof cancer.
\nIsing started out with Walt Disney in the 1920’s at Kansas
\nCity Film Ad, working on his earliest animated features, including
\n“Laugh-O-Grams,” “Alice In Cartoonland” and “Oswald.” By the end
\nof the 1920’s, Ising and his new partner Hugh Harman were in
\nbusiness for themselves.
\nTheir 1929 pilot film “Bosko The Talk-Ink Kid” was the first
\nanimated sound film with dialogue as opposed to just music and
\nsound effects. This three-minute film was bought by Leon Schlesinger,
\nthen head of Pacific Art And Title, and the two were contracted to
\nproduce 13 similar films for Warner Bros.
\nThat series of 13 films, the first Looney Tunes, eventually
\nbecame the core of an international cartoon empire featuring the
\nlater creations Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck and Porky Pig.
\nWhen Schlesinger would not accommodate Harman and Ising’s
\ndemands for higher production budgets, they left Warner Bros. and
\nopened a cartoon operation at M-G-M. While at M-G-M, Ising won an
\nAcademy Award for “The Milky Way” and created Barney Bear.
\nAfter the middle 1940’s, Ising was no longer a player in the
\ntheatrical cartoon industry, working on television and commercial
\nprojects until his retirement in the 1970’s.
\nAn obituary of Ising in The New York Times reported his age
\nas 80, but this would seem a little impossible since he would be
\nworking with Walt Disney in Kansas City at the age of 11 or 12.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2647, from davemackey, 189 chars, Thu Jul 23 10:36:02 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2646.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\n…The age of 80 is incorrect. Steve Schneider’s “That’s All Folks”
\ncites his birthdate as 1903, making him either 88 or 89 at the time of
\nhis death.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2648, from hmccracken, 43 chars, Thu Jul 23 14:24:32 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2647.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nThat sounds much more plausible.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2649, from davemackey, 102 chars, Fri Jul 24 19:57:38 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2648.
\n————————–
\nWe checked further, and the AP obituary listed his age as 88.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2650, from davemackey, 468 chars, Mon Jul 27 20:17:47 1992
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Happy birthday…
\nNow you didn’t think I was going to let Bugs Bunny’s 52nd birthday go by
\nwithout saying HAPPY BIRTHDAY to that cwazy wabbit, did ya? \ud83d\ude09
\nBugs’ date of birth derives from the release date of Tex Avery’s Merrie
\nMelodie “A Wild Hare,” on July 27, 1940. This cartoon is generally regarded
\nas the first “true” Bugs, since other directors had worked with a formative
\nversion of the character in the past.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2651, from davemackey, 352 chars, Sun Aug 9 07:10:16 1992
\n————————–
\nTITLE: The “legacy” Of Raymond Scott
\nSony, through its Epic Legacy imprint, is going to be doing a comprehensive
\nreissue of the work of Raymond Scott. Marketing for the project will
\nspotlight his contributions to the soundtracks of Warner Bros. cartoons
\nthrough such tunes as “Powerhouse” and “The Toy Trumpet.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2652, from hkenner, 163 chars, Sun Aug 9 22:14:33 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Jones in Times
\nToday’s (Sunday) NYTimes, Entertainment section, has an excellent long
\ninterview with Chuck Jones, 80, re his current and future plans.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2653, from davemackey, 197 chars, Mon Aug 10 19:01:50 1992
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Belated happy birthday
\nA few days late, but happy 85th birthday on Saturday to one of the all-time
\ngreat animators, Virgil Ross, born August 8, 1907.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2654, from davemackey, 234 chars, Mon Aug 10 19:01:53 1992
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Friz immortalized in cement
\nJust heard that Friz Freleng is getting a star on the Hollywood Walk Of Fame
\nthis month, in a ceremony that will be held around the time of his 86th
\nbirthday.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2655, from davemackey, 315 chars, Wed Aug 12 19:04:08 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2652.
\n————————–
\nHugh–
\nI happened to read the article and it was especially nice to see that
\nChuck is “going like 60 at 80” and in good spirits and still furthering his
\nart. (Chuck isn’t actually 80 yet, that will happen in September.)
\nBTW, how is your book on Jones coming along?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2656, from switch, 1524 chars, Wed Aug 12 21:52:50 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nAnimation Journal is a magazine discussing animation in an
\nacademic manner. In the first issue, articles include
\n“Resistance and Subversion in Animated Films of the Nazi Era: The
\nCase of Hans FischerKoesen”, a fascinating peek at the German
\nanimation industry during the Nazi era; “The Development of
\nAnimated TV Commercials in the 1940s”; “Animated TV Ads of the
\n1940s: A Guide to Studios”; “Heigh-Ho, Heigh-Ho, Is Disney High
\nor Low? From Silly Cartoons to Postmodern Politics”, which proves
\nthat PoMo essays cast interesting new points of view on familiar
\nsubjects, but should really be read with a healthy dose of
\nTylenol or a stiff drink within easy reach; reviews of American
\nAnimated Films: The Silent Era, Emile Cohl, Caricature, and Film,
\nand The Encyclopedia of Animated Cartoons; an interesting
\n“Diagrammatic Script” that was sent out as promotional material
\nfor Mr. Bug Goes to Town. The magazine is clearly targeted at
\neducation institutions, with a price of $20 US for a one-year
\n(two-issue) subscription, but it can certainly claim to have
\ninformation no other magazine has. If you don’t want to spend
\nthat kind of money yourself, convince your local
\nschool\/library\/ASIFA chapter to get it.<\/p>\n

Subscriptions for one year (two issues):
\nIndividual Institution
\nCalifornia $21.55 $43.10
\nUS outside CA $20.00 $40.00
\nCanada\/Mexico $25.00 $45.00
\nEverywhere else $30.00 $50.00<\/p>\n

Animation Journal, AJ Press, 2011 Kingsboro Circle, Tustin, CA
\n92680-6733.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2657, from davemackey, 233 chars, Thu Aug 13 00:07:32 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2656.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nCan I politely ask you what they thought of the Cohl book? I read it recently
\nand found it to be one of the best-written, but least-engrossing, books about
\nanyone who ever worked in animation.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2658, from switch, 376 chars, Fri Aug 21 22:15:10 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2657.
\n————————–
\nSorry it took so long to reply, I had to find _AJ_ again (it’s
\nrather small, and my room is still a bit out of sorts.) Here’s
\na sample: “It is a very readable book and provides perhaps the
\nbest example of book-length animation scholarship available. At
\nthe very least, its filmography should be adapted as a model for
\nfuture animation research.”<\/p>\n

Guess they liked it.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2659, from davemackey, 336 chars, Fri Aug 21 22:15:46 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Happy Birthday Friz: 86 Looney Years
\nLet’s light lots of candles… today is Isadore “Friz” Freleng’s 86th
\nbirthday. I don’t think there’s a person the world over who isn’t familiar
\nwith the characters he’s created and worked with, from Porky Pig to The
\nPink Panther. Happy Birthday, Friz!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2660, from dick_miller, 46 chars, Sat Aug 22 00:35:51 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2659.
\nThere are additional comments to message 2659.
\n————————–
\nAnd he just got his star on Hollywood’s Walk!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2661, from hmccracken, 41 chars, Sat Aug 22 09:28:09 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2659.
\n————————–
\nHappy birthday, Show Biz Friz!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2662, from davemackey, 967 chars, Tue Aug 25 19:22:24 1992
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Lenburg revisited
\nI finally got my hands on a copy of the revised edition of Jeff Lenburg’s
\n“Encyclopedia Of Animated Cartoon Series.” Lenburg’s foreword and
\nacknowledgements give the impression that this book is never, ever going to
\nbe updated again.
\nWhat a shame. A cursory glance through the book reveals that for all the
\nextra research that has been done, including new sections on animated
\nfeature films and television specials, and the addition of a decade’s worth
\nof television series, there are still errors, misspellings, mistitlings,
\ngeneral sloppiness (“THE American Tail,” indeed) and just plain incomplete
\nresearch (how hard is it to look at the titles of “Never Bug An Ant” and see
\nthat it reads 1969 instead of 1966?)
\nMr. Lenburg should prepare himself for a hefty list of corrections and
\nenlightenments from this corner. And maybe he should change his mind about
\nproducing yet another edition.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2663, from dano, 130 chars, Sat Sep 12 23:25:09 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Hey,
\nWould we let the Rescuers’ 15th anniversary go by without saying HAPPY ANNIVERSARY to those two mice now, would we???<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2664, from hkenner, 131 chars, Sun Sep 13 20:12:01 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Chouinard?
\nWhat is known of Chouinard Art Institute, Los Angeles, which Chuck Jones
\nattended at the end of the 1920’s?
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2665, from davemackey, 90 chars, Sun Sep 13 20:50:34 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2663.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nGood idea, Dan! Happy anniversary, Bernard and Bianca! \ud83d\ude42
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2666, from davemackey, 286 chars, Sun Sep 13 21:01:58 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2664.
\nThere are additional comments to message 2664.
\n————————–
\nWell, the school survives today as California Institute Of The Arts, or
\nCalArts for short. It was also a training ground for most of the Disney staff
\nof the 1930’s, and the school’s most noted instructor as far as animation was
\nconcerned was Don Graham.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2667, from hmccracken, 987 chars, Mon Sep 14 12:53:50 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2664.
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\nChouinard was an art school in the Los Angeles area that was very
\nclosely allied with the Disney studios from the 1930s onward.
\nA great many notable animation artists attended the school or
\ntook night classes there; a drawing instructor named Don Graham
\nwas instrumental in developing a lot of the theories behind
\nDisney animation. (Graham eventually went to work directly
\nfor Disney, providing after-work instruction.)<\/p>\n

If I’m not mistaken, Chouinard closed its doors sometime in the
\n1950s or 1960s, but on paper at least, it was one of the institutions
\nwhich merged to form the California Institute of the Arts in
\nValencia, Calif. (which was spearheaded and funded by Walt Disney,
\nand opened about 1970).<\/p>\n

For more information on Chouinard, consult almost any book about
\nthe golden age of the Disney studios. There should be good material
\nin Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston’s _Disney Animation: The Illusion
\nof Life_ and Shamus Culhane’s _Talking Animals and Other People_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2668, from hkenner, 87 chars, Thu Sep 17 00:46:59 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Bears
\nHow do I get to see the Chuck Jones “Bear for Punishment” (1051) ?
\n=–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2669, from davemackey, 256 chars, Thu Sep 17 01:27:49 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2668.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nWarner Bros. has the television rights to it, though they just shuffled all
\nthose cartoons around and I Have no idea which venue has the rights to it:
\nABC, Fox or Nickelodeon. There is no video release known on this cartoon
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2670, from hkenner, 150 chars, Mon Sep 21 17:10:14 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: September 21 …
\nOn this date, 1912, Chuck Jones was born in Spokane. Therefore,
\nInspector, what can we deduce about September 21, 1992?
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2671, from hmccracken, 154 chars, Mon Sep 21 17:30:23 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2670.
\n————————–
\nHappy eightieth, Chuck! Here’s hoping he has as much joy on his birthday
\nas his cartoons have brought all of us over the past fifty-four years.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2672, from davemackey, 222 chars, Mon Sep 21 21:44:43 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: A birthday wish
\nToday is Chuck Jones’ 80th birthday. My wish is for him to have at least
\neighty more years of delighting the world with his animated creations. Happy
\nBirthday, Chuck!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2673, from nicolas, 2353 chars, Wed Sep 23 07:22:54 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\n*** Moved from animation\/anime #1004 of Wed Sep 23 02:14:50 1992
\nTITLE: BBC Disney feature
\nYesterday the BBC showed an hour lenght feature on Disney on TV.
\nStarted with the Alice stories and ending with the latest project
\nAlladin.<\/p>\n

They interspersed (sp?) exerpts from the films with interviews
\nwith people like Roy Disney, Ollie Johnston and Leonard Maltin.
\nParts that were shown were for example the never used soup eating
\nsequence of the seven dwarfs in Snow White. This soup sequence was to
\nshow how different each dwarf was by the way that they eat dinner.
\nWith Snow White telling them how really to eat your soup. It was
\npencilled, not inked but you could allready tell the emotion. I forgot
\nthe name of the animator (Mark Davies?) but he said that he had worked
\nfor eight gruelling months on this and then Walt Disney told him to
\nscrap it.<\/p>\n

After 1001 Dalmatiens they had several other projects cooking. BBC
\nshowed drawings of several of them. Among them Little Mermaid and
\nCantecleer (sp?). As we all know Mermaid later made it into feature
\nlenght film. I only hope, seeing the drawings, that they will decide
\nto make Cantecleer into a movie too.<\/p>\n

Beauty and the Beast was the next item. They showed animated parts
\ntogether with parts from the Cocteau movie. What I especially liked
\nwas the transformation sequence at the end. They used part pencilled
\npart inked to show how a work in progress turns into the finished
\nproduct. The animator told the BBC that before working on this
\npart he first studied how Michelangelo let sculpture come forward from
\nunfinished stone. Marvellous sequence. It is the only part of The
\nBeast that I have seen so far together with the ballroom sequence.
\nThis movie isn’t in the theaters yet over here.<\/p>\n

The end of the feature showed parts of Alladin which is scheduled to
\nbe released in 1993. They couldn’t dwell long on it but they showed a
\nflying sequence of Alladin on his magic carpet in a vulcano. It was
\nbreathtaking. The illusion of speed was excellent. It reminded me of
\nthe flying sequence in the Black Cauldron.<\/p>\n

It’s a bummer to know that the only way I can see Disney features is
\non video. They almost never make it into the cinema’s here and when
\nthey do they are dubbed. Oh well, I’ll just have to wait till I can go
\nthe States again and hope to catch one there.
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2674, from davemackey, 795 chars, Thu Sep 24 01:40:09 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2673.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nThe “soup sequence” has been seen on a few retrospective specials… the
\nanimator in question was Marc Davis, who is one of the four surviving “Nine
\nOld Men.” (The other three are Ollie Johnston, Frank Thomas, and Ward
\nKimball.) That and the “bed building” scenes are perhaps the best known “lost
\nfootage” from “Snow White.”
\nThe five remaining, all deceased, were Les Clark, Milt Kahl, Eric
\nLarson, John Lounsbery, and Wolfgang Reitherman.
\nThe film “Aladdin” will be released this Thanksgiving in the U.S. “King
\nOf The Jungle,” Disney’s next feature, has been delayed until sometime in
\n1994. (I don’t think that info has been posted here before, but I could be
\nincorrect about this.)
\nDoes anyone know if this BBC film will be seen on these shores?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2675, from hmccracken, 256 chars, Thu Sep 24 13:28:49 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2674.
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\nI’ve heard that _King of the Jungle_ will most likely be delayed into
\n1994 by story problems. Supposedly, Disney’s animated feature for
\nFall\/Winter 1993 will be _The Nightmare Before Christmas_, a stop-
\nmotion puppet film directed by Tim Burton.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2676, from mscoville, 323 chars, Sat Sep 26 01:01:15 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2672.
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\nChuck celebrated his 80th birthday with 17,000 of his closest friends (hah) with a special celebration of “Bugs on Broa
\ndway” at the Hollywood bowl. It was sold-out and people were turned away from the door. It was according to sources,
\nquite a fun evening with
\nChuck making a special speech during the program. mscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2677, from dano, 59 chars, Sat Sep 26 22:11:16 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2665.
\n————————–
\n15 years….
\nSeems like it was only yesterday, doesn’t it?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2678, from nicolas, 1705 chars, Mon Sep 28 09:37:30 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Lost & Found
\nAn article in one of our dutch newspapers has the news that some
\nof the old Alice movies by Disney, who were thought to be lost, have
\nbeen found again at the dutch Filmmuseum. Besides the title mentioned
\nin the article there are two stills from the movie Alice’s Wild West
\nShow. I’ll try to quote and translate. Comments by me are in square
\nbrackets.<\/p>\n

[start quote]<\/p>\n

Volkskrant september 26, 1992 page 9<\/p>\n

In the archives of the Dutch Filmmuseum in Amsterdam fifteen of Walt
\nDisneys early animation films have been found. Five of these movies
\nfrom the Alice- series were thought to be lost. Even the Disney
\narchive in Los Angelos didn’t have copies. The Alice animation movies
\nare among the first work by Disney.<\/p>\n

The find contained the first six Alice movies. The oldest movie,
\nAlice’s Day at Sea, dates back to 1923. Also the last one that Walt
\nDisney himself did the drawings for was found back. The fifteen movies
\nare between six and eight minutes long and are copies with dutch
\n‘inbetween titles’.
\n…
\n[follows some historical information on Disney]
\n…<\/p>\n

The Filmmuseum discovered they had unique material after the festival
\nof silent movies in Porderone asked around at all the european
\narchives for availability of early Disney movies. The Italian festival
\norganises in october a retrospective of Disney silent movies. The
\ncopies that have been found will be shown there.<\/p>\n

The original nitratefilms are still in good shape. In some cases the
\nFilmmuseum had longer running copies than existed elsewhere. Also was
\none of the movies colored in [if that’s the expression]. All found
\ncopies will be shown in the museum in december.<\/p>\n

[end quote]
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2679, from hmccracken, 204 chars, Mon Sep 28 09:53:24 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2678.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nWow! That’s great news! Let us know if you go to the show, Nico, and
\nI hope that the films will make their way to the U.S. (if nothing
\nelse, presumably the Disney Archives will acquire copies).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2680, from nicolas, 182 chars, Tue Sep 29 11:26:10 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2679.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nHarry, I will definitely go to the december showing in the filmmuseum.
\nRight now the october festival in Italy is out of the question for me
\n\ud83d\ude41
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2681, from hmccracken, 150 chars, Tue Sep 29 12:18:35 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2680.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nWell, we’ll look forward to December, then. It’s great to have an
\n“International Correspondent” in the conference to report on such
\nthings!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2682, from nicolas, 378 chars, Wed Sep 30 04:24:58 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2681.
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\n> It’s great to have an “International Correspondent” in the
\n> conference to report on such things!<\/p>\n

I’ll keep my eyes and ears peeled for animation events in Europe as
\nfar as possible. I read several dutch and english newspapers and the
\noccasional german or french one. So whenever I hear or see soemthing I
\nwill post it in a message here.
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2683, from davemackey, 734 chars, Wed Oct 7 09:27:04 1992
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Sammy Timberg
\nSammy Timberg, 89, who was musical director at Paramount and Fleischer
\ncartoon studios, died on August 26 in Scranton, CT.
\nTimberg wrote songs for Fleischer’s two full-length features, “Gulliver’s
\nTravels” and “Mr. Bug Goes To Town” as well as many of the Color Classics.
\nHe also scored numerous Betty Boop, Popeye and Superman cartoons. When
\nParamount bought out the Fleischer brothers, Timberg moved back to New York
\nto work on the first several years of Famous Studios cartoons before being
\nreplaced by Winston Sharples.
\nBefore his cartoon career, Timberg performed with his brother Herman
\nin vaudeville and also was musical director for The Marx Brothers.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2684, from davemackey, 292 chars, Wed Oct 7 21:56:23 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Stan the Man
\nStan Freberg will be hosting two seminars on his work on Thursday at 6 p.m.
\nand Friday at 12:30 p.m. at the Museum of Radio And Television in New York
\nCity.
\nThe Museum is at 25 W. 52nd Street; call (212) 621-6800 for more
\ninformation.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2685, from hmccracken, 252 chars, Thu Oct 8 10:55:35 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2684.
\nThere are additional comments to message 2684.
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\nWow! Wish I could make it down there. I’ve heard that back in L.A.,
\nFreberg goes to a movie on a certain night each week, then sits on
\na certain park bench. Freberg fans and other interested parties are
\nwelcome to hang out with him and chat.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2686, from davemackey, 742 chars, Fri Oct 9 01:06:06 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2684.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nI was at the first session, and it was quite enjoyable to hear Stan expound
\non his theories of advertising and play many of his classic radio and
\ntelevision commercials for us, from his earliest efforts to some of the work
\nhe’s recently done for Encyclopaedia Brittanica, featuring his son Donovan.
\nMr. Freberg has donated his entire library of commercials to the Museum’s
\ncollection. (Also in the audience, our old friend Thomas M. Shim, who
\nafterwards took me on a wild ride through Queens. Just barely made it home in
\none piece… \ud83d\ude09
\nMuseum officials say all tickets have not yet been sold for tomorrow’s
\nsession, so if you’re in the City tomorrow and have about an hour and a half
\nto spare, stop by.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2687, from hmccracken, 83 chars, Fri Oct 9 08:25:28 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2686.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nDid he play his ads for pitted prunes and Great American Soup?
\nClassics!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2688, from davemackey, 353 chars, Fri Oct 9 19:30:59 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: That’s MR. Tweety to you
\nAfter fifty years, the question of Tweety’s sex has been answered: Friz
\nFreleng notes in this week’s TV Guide that the yellow canary is male.
\nAnd in fifty years we’ll finally find out what sex “Pat” is. \ud83d\ude09
\nTweety first appeared in 1942 in Bob Clampett’s “A Tale Of Two Kitties.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2689, from davemackey, 492 chars, Fri Oct 9 19:38:58 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2687.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nAbsolutely! Everyone knows that’s Ann Miller in the Heinz Great American Soup
\ncommercial, but only diehard cartoon buffs would spot Dave Willock (narrator
\nof “Wacky Races”) as her husband. That spot, by the way, was photographed by
\nFred Koenekamp, and choreographed by Hermes Pan.
\nAnd he showed the one Sunsweet Pitted Prune commercial with Ray Bradbury
\ncomplaining that modern science still hasn’t been able to figure out how to
\nget rid of the wrinkles.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2690, from hmccracken, 240 chars, Fri Oct 9 20:32:52 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2689.
\n————————–
\nThat’s great. I love the spot where the announcer says that Ray Bradbury
\npredicts that in the future, everyone will eat Sunsweet pitted prunes,
\nwhile Bradbury stands there, puzzled because he can’t remember having
\never said that.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2691, from ianl, 425 chars, Fri Oct 9 21:05:53 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2688.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\nThere are additional comments to message 2688.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

I read (*somewhere*, but now I can’t remember where) that the origin of
\nTweety was a sketch at the top of a personal letter from one animator to
\nanother, or something like that. The origal bird was saying “I tot a taw a
\ntitty-tat,” but they considered ‘titty’ too risque for that day & age.<\/p>\n

(Or, maybe I didn’t read it, maybe I remember it as a story Chuck Jones
\ntold when Costas interviewed him? I’m not sure.)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2692, from sharonfisher, 164 chars, Fri Oct 9 22:17:03 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2688.
\nThere are additional comments to message 2688.
\n————————–
\nThis is supposed to be a surprise? They had Tweety in a little blue beret
\nchasing Sylvester’s thumb, disguised as a yellow female bird in a pink
\nbonnet, ages ago.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2693, from davemackey, 376 chars, Fri Oct 9 23:10:41 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2691.
\n————————–
\nThat is absolutely correct, Ian. The story is recounted in “I Tawt I Taw A
\nPutty Tat,” by Jerry Beck, which chronicles the entire career of Tweety and
\nSylvester. Bob Clampett had written a letter on M-G-M stationery, which had
\nthe roaring lion on the letterhead, and next to the lion he drew a little
\nbird that said “I tink I taw a titty tat.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2694, from grekel, 380 chars, Sat Oct 10 16:31:32 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2688.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\n>>”MR. Tweety…”
\nNo revelation here. I asked my 6-year-old daughter whether Tweety was
\na boy or a girl and she said, “a boy because he sounds like one and
\nwears a blue hat sometimes.”
\nAs if this weren’t enough, she produced a “Little Golden Book”
\nentitled _Tweety Plays Catch the Puddy Tat_ in which Tweety is referred
\nto in the male gender several times.
\nCase closed. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

greg<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2695, from hmccracken, 386 chars, Sat Oct 10 20:01:16 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2694.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nThe Warner Bros. cartoon world is almost exclusively made up of
\nmale characters (as a result of having being created mostly by
\nmales, I suppose). Petunia Pig and Granny are two of the very
\nfew on-going female characters.<\/p>\n

(Also, I don’t think it’s been noted here that Bob Clampett said
\nthat Tweety’s appearance was based on a photograph of him
\n(Clampett) as a naked infant.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2696, from ianl, 218 chars, Sat Oct 10 20:44:44 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2695.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\nThere are additional comments to message 2695.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

Do the Tiny Toons characters count as “The Warner Bros. cartoon world”?
\nThey’re a lot more balanced between male and female characters.<\/p>\n

From the first TTA:<\/p>\n

Buster: A *girl*???
\nBabs: Welcome to the 90s.<\/p>\n

\ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2697, from hmccracken, 165 chars, Sun Oct 11 00:15:10 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2696.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nI don’t really count the Tiny Toons characters as Warner Bros.
\ncharacters. Just like I don’t count Joe Kennedy (my beloved
\ncongressman) as a Real Kennedy.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2698, from ianl, 130 chars, Sun Oct 11 00:52:07 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2697.
\nThere are additional comments to message 2697.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

> I don’t count Joe Kennedy (my beloved congressman) as a Real Kennedy.<\/p>\n

What, just because he hasn’t been indicted yet? \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2699, from davemackey, 174 chars, Sun Oct 11 21:01:56 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2697.
\n————————–
\nOr Caroline Kennedy. She’s too nice, she stays out of trouble, and she helps
\nthe world. And she has a happy marriage. Ergo, not a Kennedy. \ud83d\ude09
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2700, from sharonfisher, 57 chars, Mon Oct 12 15:54:03 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2695.
\n————————–
\nThey may be male, but they sure go around in drag a lot.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2701, from dano, 87 chars, Mon Oct 12 22:38:32 1992
\n————————–
\nTITLE: A Simple request to U.S. and Canadian Customs:
\nPlease leave Cart-Rockers Alone!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2702, from nicolas, 1640 chars, Tue Oct 13 03:41:12 1992
\n————————–
\nTITLE: The Animals of Farthing Wood
\nNot many of you will have heard about EBU. Not many europeans have for
\nthat matter. The EBU is the European Broadcasting Union. It
\ncomprises of all of the broadcasting companies in Europe. What
\ndoes that have to do with animation you will ask.<\/p>\n

Well, it turns out that the EBU have been very busy in the last five
\nyear on an animation project. The initiative came from the
\nscandinavians, the story was provide by the germans and companies
\nin France and Britain have done the actual animation while 20
\nbroadcasting companies coughed up the money.<\/p>\n

They have been working for five years on this and cost about 16
\nmillion guilders (about $ 10 million). They were introducing
\nand selling this project on the MipCom television fair in Cannes.
\nyesterday.<\/p>\n

The Animals of Farthing Wood is a 26 part series of 25 minutes
\neach based on the novels by british author Colin Dann. The
\nstory is about animals evicted from their wood because of new land
\ndevelopment. (sounds familiar huh) They move out to find a better and
\nquieter place. On the way they encounter such dangers as a fox hunt, a
\nhighway and a forest fire.<\/p>\n

According to sources the quality is supposed to equal disney animation
\nand is done by artists from the french company La Fabrique and the
\nbritsh firm of Telemagination.. The music is by Detlev Kuhne and
\nperformed by the Westdeutsche Rundfunk from Cologne.<\/p>\n

They are trying to sell the series to other continents as well so
\nthere might be a chance for you americans to find it on your screen
\nsomeday. The series starts broadcasting all over Europe in january.
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2703, from davemackey, 190 chars, Fri Oct 16 22:53:48 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2669.
\n————————–
\n“A Bear For Punishment” can be found leading off the forthcoming laserdisc
\ncollection “Looney Tunes Assorted Nuts.” Maybe they heard your request,
\nHugh… \ud83d\ude09
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2704, from hmccracken, 233 chars, Sun Oct 18 20:35:18 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Happy Birthday to Us!
\nTomorrow, October 19th, is the third anniversary of BIX’s animation
\nconference. Many thanks to every participant, and here’s hoping for
\nmany more years of fun and information! Thanks, everyone!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2705, from davemackey, 490 chars, Mon Oct 19 19:05:35 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2704.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nEvery year at this time I say “has it really been x number of years? Wow.”
\nNow it’s three years. I can’t believe it myself. From someone who’s been on
\nBIX almost as long as the animation conference has been here, congratulations
\nin order to you, and Emru, and everyone else on BIX who has been supportive
\nof this little corner of the system.
\nWe must also extend thanks to the other founding moderators of this
\nconference, Jim Omura and Jennifer Jumper.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2706, from dano, 37 chars, Mon Oct 19 23:21:19 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2705.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\n3 YEARS??? WOW!!!
\nHAPPY ANNIVERSARY!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2707, from hmccracken, 26 chars, Tue Oct 20 23:02:27 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2706.
\nThere are additional comments to message 2706.
\n————————–
\nThank you, Dan!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2708, from switch, 21 chars, Wed Oct 21 08:48:04 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2706.
\n————————–
\nThanks, Dan!<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2709, from davemackey, 234 chars, Thu Oct 22 11:54:30 1992
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Jackson Weaver
\nJackson Weaver, age 72, passed away on Tuesday in Silver Spring, Maryland.
\nThe Washington, DC-based radio announcer was for many years the voice
\nof Smokey Bear.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2710, from dano, 603 chars, Fri Oct 30 22:19:56 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: An Open letter to carol Hallett, Director, United States Customs Service:
\nDear Carol:<\/p>\n

My Name is Daniel Opheim, I’m 24 years old, and very pissed.
\nWhat am i pissed at? Simple. it’s your strong-arm Tactics aimed at
\nCart-Rockers. The Power of I.P.R. laws can be used to protect-or,
\nas in this case, destroy.<\/p>\n

The Care-Bears, The Moon-Dreamers, The Smurfs- All ethier Destroyed or
\nDriven Underground by the weilding of the I.P.R. laws by your organization.<\/p>\n

Unless you stop the Misapplication of these laws, you will live to regret
\nit.<\/p>\n

Please, Carol: Leave These Artists alone.<\/p>\n

\/S\/ DANIEL OPHEIM<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2711, from ianl, 333 chars, Fri Oct 30 22:55:27 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2710.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

I’ll bet you (at any odds you want) that Carol Hallett, Director, U.S.
\nCustoms Service, is Not On BIX, and will never see that message.<\/p>\n

I’ll further bet you that even if C.H. were on BIX s\/he wouldn’t have
\nthe faintest idea what you’re on about. In fact, it’s probably a good
\nbet that no one else here has any idea either.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2712, from switch, 50 chars, Sat Oct 31 12:17:13 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2711.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nNeither do I. Please to enlighten, Daniel.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2713, from davemackey, 263 chars, Tue Nov 24 12:36:13 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Sterling Holloway
\nSterling Holloway, perhaps best known as the voice of Winnie The Pooh, died
\non Sunday at the age of 87. Mr. Holloway performed many voices for the Disney
\norganization and started his show business career in silent films. –Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2714, from hmccracken, 328 chars, Tue Nov 24 18:35:41 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2713.
\n————————–
\nAw, gee! That’s too bad. At least it’s nice to know that in his recent,
\nrelatively inactive years, Holloway lived in happy, healthy retirement
\nin the L.A. area, and did some lecturing on his work. He’ll always be
\nremembered for his Disney voices — Pooh, the stork in _Dumbo_, Kaa in -Jungle Book_,
\nand many others.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2715, from hmccracken, 1172 chars, Mon Nov 30 22:42:21 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: _Disney’s Aladdin: The Making of an Animated Film_
\nby John Culhane (Hyperion, $24.95) is — overall — a pretty solid
\nbook that does a good job of telling the story of how _Aladdin_
\nwas made. Culhane, author of many articles on Disney and the earlier
\nbook _Walt Disney’s Fantasia_ has a breezy style that’s informative
\nand readable, and the book is chock-a-block with good illustrations —
\nstills from the finished film, photographs, and preliminary artwork.<\/p>\n

There are, however, some weird omissions in what the book covers, most
\nnotably that it doesn’t mention the name of Robin Williams — the voice
\nof the Genie — even once in the lengthy discussion of the character.
\n(Some odd contractual point with Williams, no doubt.) The book, like
\nmost other Disney-authorized works, is also evasive about the CAPS
\ncel-painting process, which has eliminated animation cels by letting
\nDisney’s colorists do their work entirely with computers. (The process
\ndoes a great job, and allows for special effects that could never
\nbe done with cels; the problem seems to be that Disney doesn’t want
\nto weaken the cel market by saying that they don’t use cels anymore.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2716, from hmccracken, 402 chars, Tue Dec 1 09:54:31 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Pepe Makes an Appearance
\nThe Marshall’s department store chain is now running a wonderful TV
\ncommercial that features Chuck Jones’s Pepe Le Pew as spokesman for
\nMarshalls’ perfume department. The animation is excellent, although
\nwhoever has replaced Mel Blanc as Pepe’s voice does only a so-so job.
\nIf you have Marshalls stores in your area, be sure to be on the lookout
\nfor this ad!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2717, from davemackey, 469 chars, Tue Dec 1 19:35:08 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2716.
\nThere are additional comments to message 2716.
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\nMy brother thinks they should have used Fifi from “Tiny Toon Adventures”
\ninstead of Pepe. Bet Fifi would sell lots of perfume… and believe me,
\nI’d much rather listen to Kath Souci’s voice than the pale Pepe imitator. \ud83d\ude09
\nI think you could find out the identity of the voice talent used for
\nthe price of a local phone call. The advertising agency that handles
\nMarshall’s is in Boston, and I think it’s Earle Palmer Brown And Spiro.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2718, from ianl, 560 chars, Tue Dec 1 19:35:45 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2716.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

Along similar lines…<\/p>\n

Target stores are using Rocky, Bullwinkle, Boris, and Natasha to advertise
\nsales events. IMHO, they’ve done a nice job of capturing the flavor of
\nthe animated series.<\/p>\n

One thing confuses me though: you hear Bullwinkle, Boris, and an announcer
\ntalking during the commericial. The Bullwinkle and Boris voices are very
\nfaithful to the originals, the announcer’s voice is so-so. Oddly enough,
\nneither Rocky nor Natasha say anything, which is a bit odd, considering that
\nJune Foray is still around and still doing voice acting.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2719, from hmccracken, 394 chars, Tue Dec 1 20:37:40 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2718.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nYeah, that is weird. Bill Scott and Paul Frees are dead, yet Bullwinkle
\nand Boris speak…Bill Conrad is alive, yet they get a bad imitator…
\nand June Foray is alive and voice acting, and her characters don’t
\nspeak at all! We don’t have Target stores in Boston, so I’ll probably
\nnever see the ads (hmm, maybe I should keep an ear out for them when
\nI go to Des Moines at Christmas).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2720, from davemackey, 287 chars, Wed Dec 2 20:57:53 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2719.
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\nIt will be interesting to see how Data East tackles this same issue when they
\nput out their Bullwinkle pinball. Remember: all pinballs talk now, and the
\nlast time they tried a cartoon-related theme (The Simpsons) they managed to
\nget the whole voice cast.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2721, from sharonfisher, 149 chars, Thu Dec 3 13:03:31 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Pixar\/Lasseter doing ads again?
\nI saw an ad on MTV the other day, for Toys ‘r Us, that looked very much
\nlike Pixar\/John Lasseter had done it.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2722, from davemackey, 389 chars, Fri Dec 4 09:11:03 1992
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\nTITLE: Jones storyboards on display
\nYou’ve seen the TV special, now see the storyboards… the Alexander Gallery
\nin New York City is exhibiting the original Chuck Jones storyboard drawings
\nfrom “How The Grinch Stole Christmas,” December 8-12 and 15-19. The Alexander
\nGallery is at 980 Madison Avenue; call (212) 472-1636 for more information.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2723, from davemackey, 559 chars, Fri Dec 4 09:13:48 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Animation Art Expo
\nThis Saturday and Sunday will be the Animation Art Expo in New York City.
\nAnimation art will be on display, films will be shown, and notable animation
\nluminaries such as Art Clokey, Maurice Noble, Shamus Culhane, and Thomas and
\nCharles McKimson will be in attendance. (Also stop by and say hi to Mike
\nand Pam Scoville at the Animation Art Guild table.)
\nSat. 10am-8pm and Sunday 11am-6pm at the Holiday Inn Crowne Plaza,
\n49th and Broadway. $4 to get in! More info: (212) 977-4000.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2724, from hmccracken, 288 chars, Fri Dec 4 22:41:59 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2721.
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\nI’ll have to keep an eye out for it. While I wish that Lasseter was
\nstill doing non-commercial shorts (I think his last was _Knickknack_,
\nseveral years ago), commercials are better than nothing. Lasseter
\nis also working on a feature-length computer animated film with
\nDisney.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2725, from hmccracken, 244 chars, Fri Dec 4 22:42:46 1992
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Gahan Wilson Goes Animated
\nI’m told that Twentieth Century Fox will soon be releasing an animated
\nshort by the excellent magazine cartoonist Gahan Wilson, in conjunction
\nwith a live-action film. Anyone know anything about it?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2726, from hmccracken, 299 chars, Fri Dec 4 22:44:53 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2723.
\nThere are additional comments to message 2723.
\n————————–
\nIt sounds like an event not to be missed, if you can make it to the N.Y.C.
\narea (I’m planning to, although it’s snowing right now, which has me
\nworried). Besides the guests Dave mentions, other attendees include
\nShamus Culhane, Bill Hanna, Bob Clampett Jr. and Ruth Clampett, and
\nothers.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2727, from dano, 271 chars, Sat Dec 5 00:47:44 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2712.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nIf you would be so kind as to re-read the second paragraph, it said:
\n“The power of I.P.R. laws can be used to protect-or, as in this case,
\ndestroy.” What that means is that if they are properly used, they protect.
\nImproperly used
\n, they destroy, and destroy PERMENTLY!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2728, from ianl, 228 chars, Sat Dec 5 03:22:40 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2727.
\nThere are additional comments to message 2727.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

Well, I just reread the second paragraph. In fact, I reread the whole
\noriginal message. I still have one basic comment…<\/p>\n

WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???<\/p>\n

Check your navigational charts, space-guy, this is Earth.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2729, from switch, 425 chars, Sat Dec 5 13:19:44 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2727.
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\nI still don’t understand, Dan. I’ll make a list:<\/p>\n

(1) What do you mean by “Cart-Rockers”?
\n(2) Explain the IPR laws, please.
\n(3) What are the Care-Bears, Moon-Dreamers, and Smurfs? Two out
\nof the three are immediately recognizeable as cartoons, but that’s
\nall. By saying they were “destroyed or driven underground”
\nyou make it sounds as if they were revolutionary parties.<\/p>\n

Please, explain. I’m curious.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2730, from switch, 6949 chars, Sat Dec 5 23:14:43 1992
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\nArticle: 4064 of rec.arts.animation
\nFrom: eu****@br***.e<\/span>du<\/span> (Eugene Kowaluk)
\nNewsgroups: rec.photo,rec.arts.animation
\nSubject: Call for Work from Students
\nDate: 29 Oct 92 16:05:06 GMT
\nOrganization: International Museum of Photography at George Eastman House<\/p>\n

CALL FOR WORK ! CALL FOR WORK ! CALL FOR WORK ! CALL FOR WORK ! CALL FOR WORK !<\/p>\n

INTERNATIONAL STUDENT MEDIA ARTS FESTIVAL<\/p>\n

PRE-K THROUGH GRADUATE STUDENT<\/p>\n

In cooperation with the Media Center at Visual Studies Workshop (Rochester,
\nNew York USA), Montage 93: International Festival of the Image, is inviting
\nstudents pre-K through graduate school to submit work for an exhibition of
\nelectronic time-based media. Work will be screened at Montage 93, July 11
\nthrough August 7, 1993.<\/p>\n

GOALS<\/p>\n

The goals of Montage 93: International Festival of the Image are to celebrate
\nthe fusion of arts and technology in contemporary image making and to explore
\nthe future of visual communications. The International Student Media Arts
\nFestival is seeking a wide variety of interesting and challenging time-based
\nwork that demonstrate the concerns of students of all ages from around the
\nworld. All genres and subjects are welcome.<\/p>\n

REVIEW PROCEDURE<\/p>\n

All tapes will be reviewed by peer committees comprised of students of
\ntime-based media. Student committees will have a curatorial role, assembling
\nan exhibition that reflects the concerns and creative expressions of their
\npeers. Notification of acceptance or rejection will be made by June 1, 1993.<\/p>\n

SUBMISSION GUIDELINES<\/p>\n

Time-based media including video, film, computer imagery, and animation are
\neligible. All work must be submitted on videotape, in any of the following
\nNTSC formats: 3\/4″, VHS, S-VHS, Beta, 8mm, Hi-8. Work must have been completed
\nafter January 1990. Maximum length of any title is 30 minutes.<\/p>\n

SUBMISSION PROCEDURES<\/p>\n

Each title must be accompanied by a brief artist’s statement. Each title must
\nbe accompanied by a copy of the “Entry and Release Form” obtainable from the
\naddress below. Tapes mailed within the United States will be returned only if
\naccompanied by a self-addressed envelope. Tapes mailed from outside the United
\nStates will be returned only if accompanied by a self-addressed envelope and
\nan international money order in U.S. dollars for the cost of return mail.
\nTapes mailed from outside the United States should be marked: “No commercial
\nvalue. Educational material.” Tapes must be received by February 1, 1993.<\/p>\n

SEND TAPES, ARTISTS STATEMENTS, AND ENTRY AND RELEASE FORMS TOGETHER TO:<\/p>\n

Montage 93: ISMAF
\n31 Prince Street
\nRochester NY 14607-1499
\nUSA<\/p>\n

PLEASE NOTE:<\/p>\n

Do not send masters, originals, or irreplaceable materials. Montage 93 will
\nmake every reasonable attempt to safeguard tapes, but is not responsible for
\nloss or damage. Submitting student is responsible for any copyrighted
\nmaterial with the title. Copies of exhibition tapes will be retained for the
\nMedia Center Archive at Visual Studies Workshop.<\/p>\n

The International Student Media Arts Festival is held in cooperation with the
\nAnnual National Student Media Arts Exhibition at the Media Center, Visual
\nStudies Workshop, Rochester, New York. The International Student Media Arts
\nFestival will travel under the auspicies of the Visual Studies Workshop
\nTraveling Exhibitions Service. The Annual National Student Media Arts
\nExhibition will resume in 1994.<\/p>\n

__________________________________________________________________________<\/p>\n

M O N T A G E 93<\/p>\n

INTERNATIONAL FESTIVAL OF THE IMAGE<\/p>\n

31 Prince Street, Rochester, New York 14607-1499 USA<\/p>\n

TEL: 716 442-8897 FAX: 716 442-8931
\n__________________________________________________________________________<\/p>\n

GOALS<\/p>\n

The city of Rochester, New York, will host Montage 93: International Festival
\nof the Image, from July 11 through August 7, 1993. The goals of Montage 93
\nare to celebrate the fusion of arts & technology in contemporary image-making,
\nand to explore the future of visual communications.<\/p>\n

ROCHESTER-THE WORLD’S IMAGE CENTRE:<\/p>\n

Rochester, New York, is the ideal site to host an imaging festival. Recently
\nnamed “The World’s Image Centre,” Rochester has vast resources and a long-
\nstanding tradition from which to explore the future of imaging arts and
\nsciences. Monroe County is the home of over 75 imaging and optics research
\nfacilities, including pioneering industries such as Eastman Kodak Company
\nand Xerox Corporation. In addition, numerous art, cultural, and educational
\ninstitutions in the Rochester area study, collect, preserve, and display
\nphotography and related imaging systems.<\/p>\n

EVENTS<\/p>\n

Two new works and 16 exhibitions sponsored by the festival will be unveiled
\nduring the first gala week of Montage 93. Symposia and lectures addressing
\nthe impacts of art and technology are scheduled for the second and third
\nweeks of the festival, when numerous professional imaging associations will
\nhold conferences. From July 21-25, the Riverside Convention Center will be
\nthe site of the Arts & Technology Exposition featuring both an imaging industry
\ntrade show and media artists working with a full range of new and emerging
\nimaging systems.<\/p>\n

The International Student Festival will take place from July 18-24 to provide
\nunique educational opportunities for graduate and undergraduate media
\nstudents. Discussion groups, demonstrations, and portfolio review will be
\ncentral to this week-long gathering.<\/p>\n

Independent film and video screenings; peforming arts events; workshops, and a
\nwide variety of other daytime and evening events of interest to both
\nspecialists and to the general public are scheduled throughout the festival.<\/p>\n

Media under consideration at Montage 93 include photography, video, computer
\nimagery, electrostatic imagery, laser imagery, image transmission, electronic
\nprinting, animation, and holography.<\/p>\n

PARTICIPATING INSTITUTIONS<\/p>\n

The events of Montage 93 will take place thorughout downtown Rochester. The
\nInternational Museum of Photography at George Eastman House, the Strong
\nMuseum, Memorial Art Gallery, State University of New York College at
\nBrockport, Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester Museum and Science
\nCenter, University of Rochester, and Visual Studies Workshop are among the
\nart and cultural institutions taking part in Montage 93. Temporary exhibition
\nsites will create a corridor of activities from the Riverside Convention
\nCenter to the city’s historic museum district.<\/p>\n

SPONSORSHIP<\/p>\n

Major sponsorship of Montage 93 to date is provided by the Professional
\nImaging and the Consumer Imaging divisions of Eastman Kodak Company, the City
\nof Rochester, Monroe County, and Xerox Foundation. Additional program
\nsupport is provided by Bausch & Lomb, Fleet Bank of New York, Polaroid
\nCorporation, and USAir, the official airline. The International Student
\nMedia Arts Festival is sponsored by Chase Lincoln First Bank, NA.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2731, from hmccracken, 1208 chars, Sat Dec 5 23:35:21 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2723.
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\nHaving just returned from a whirlwind trip down to New York to attend
\nthe Expo, I can say that nearby (or not so nearby) BIXen should find
\nthe show quite worthwhile. It’s a fairly small show, dominated by
\nanimation art for sale, ranging in price from $15 to $15,000. Even
\nif you don’t buy anything (and there are some nice bargains if you
\nscour the hundreds of pieces for sale), it’s fun to browse the artwork,
\nmuch of which is from Disney and Warner, but also Lantz, Famous, Fleischer,
\nand other studios.<\/p>\n

More importantly, there are a number of veteran animation artists at
\nthe show, whose combined experience amounts to several hundred years.
\nBecause the show is small and informal (there’s no organized program),
\nyou simply go around introducing yourself to folks like Maurice Noble
\n(Chuck Jones’s layout artist), Shamus Culhane (Disney\/Fleischer\/Lantz\/
\nWarner animator and director), Tom and Charles McKimson (brothers of
\nWarner director Robert and talented cartoonists in their own right),
\nand Bill Hanna (one half of Hanna-Barbera, of course). All are delighted
\nto chat with fans; I especially suggest finding Maurice Noble and asking
\nhim about his feelings about contemporary animation.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2732, from l.wallace, 967 chars, Sun Dec 20 14:04:12 1992
\n————————–
\nTITLE: LOOKING TO BE PUBLISHED?<\/p>\n

ATTENTION 3D ARTISTS & ILLUSTRATORS!<\/p>\n

The April\/May 1993 issue of Desktop Video World has 3D
\ngraphics as the theme of the Spotlight section, so we are looking for 3D
\nart submissions for the Digital Gallery. If you are interested in seeing
\nyour work published submit images you have created using a Mac,
\nAmiga or PC to the following address.<\/p>\n

Desktop Video World
\nDigital Gallery Submissions
\n80 Elm Street
\nPeterborough, NH 03458<\/p>\n

Submission should be made on disk using one of the standard image file
\nformats for those platforms. You must include your name and address and
\na short description of what you used to create the image with (your
\nhardware system, graphics software, etc.). Do not submit images that
\ncontain copyrighted material that you do not have permission to use.<\/p>\n

Files can also be sent electronically via CIS, GENIE, BIX or PORTAL.<\/p>\n

BIX l.wallace
\nCIS 76376,2136
\nGENIE lrwallace
\nPORTAL lou wallace<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2733, from davemackey, 274 chars, Sun Dec 20 18:47:00 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2715.
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\nI’m sure it’s been mentioned more than once here that Williams’ reluctance to
\ndo publicity for “Aladdin” would conflict with the just-released “Toys”, a
\nnew film from Barry Levinson (who also teamed with Williams for “Good Morning
\nVietnam”).
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2734, from davemackey, 653 chars, Mon Dec 21 19:27:02 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: RIP, Steve Ross
\nThough he probably had little concern or involvement with the classic Warner
\nBros. stable of cartoon character, I feel that mention must be made of the
\ncharacters’ current spiritual father, Time Warner Chairman Steve Ross, who
\npassed away on Sunday of prostate cancer. The large empire Ross oversaw
\nincluded such diverse enterprises as Warner Bros. (television and film
\nproduction and distribution), the Time\/Life group of magazines (Entertainment
\nWeekky, People and Sports Illustrated among the others), DC Comics, HBO, the
\nTVKO pay-per-view boxing enterprise, and Warner Bros. Records (Madonna).
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2735, from davemackey, 302 chars, Wed Dec 30 19:05:35 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2734.
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\nRoss, incidentally, came into the Warner’s organization by way of Kinney
\nNational, which was the company that purchased Warner Bros.-Seven Arts in
\n1969, and it was while W7 was under the control of Kinney that the cartoon
\nstudio as it existed in the 1960’s closed down.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2736, from davemackey, 345 chars, Wed Dec 30 19:05:44 1992
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Why ask why?
\nI saw the Disney short “Donald Gets Drafted” today. In it is a scene in which
\nDonald appears naked, then bashfully covers himself up.
\nWhy do cartoon characters do that when they clearly have no ornaments of
\ngender? And why does Donald, who, mind you, was notorious for not wearing
\npants?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2737, from ianl, 392 chars, Wed Dec 30 22:48:25 1992
\nThis is a comment to message 2736.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

I’ve noticed that in Tiny Toons, not only do the characters not wear
\npants, but they often make little quickie smart-aleck remarks about it.
\nThe best was in Thirteen-Something, where Babs is about to enter the NBC
\nstudios, and David Letterman appears in a window shouting, “This is David
\nLetterman, I’m not wearing any pants.” Babs remarks to herself, “Well then,
\nI should fit right in.”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2738, from davemackey, 268 chars, Fri Jan 1 09:24:39 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2737.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nNo, no, no. The best was the Bungle Boy Jeans commercial. Babs: “Are those
\nBungle Boy jeans you’re wearing?” Buster: “I’m not wearing any pants.”
\nFun-nee! \ud83d\ude09
\nActually, if you consider Babs’ standard apparel, she does wear a skirt.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2739, from ianl, 142 chars, Fri Jan 1 15:55:25 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2738.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

I remember that Bungle Boy gag, but it didn’t strike me as funny for some
\nreason.<\/p>\n

Babs may wear a skirt, but she wears nothing under it.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2740, from davemackey, 53 chars, Sat Jan 2 04:13:17 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2739.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nHow do YOU know!? \ud83d\ude09
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2741, from ianl, 496 chars, Sat Jan 2 14:00:38 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2740.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

Because you can see it in certain action shots, that’s how. What’s more,
\nthere’s two distinct styles of painting Babs’ nether regions where her
\nunderwear would (should?) appear. In one style she’s painted like Buster
\nor Bugs, with a white patch extending down from her stomach area. In the
\nother style she’s solid pink. When she’s wearing a bikini, she’s always
\nthe solid pink style. I think the variation in style is what made me
\nrealize that she doesn’t wear anything under the skirt.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2742, from hmccracken, 521 chars, Sun Jan 3 12:19:25 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Obitiuary: Romeo Muller
\nRomeo Muller died recently at the age of 64. Muller was
\nresponsible for the screenplays for the vast majority of
\nthe endlessly-repeated holiday specials produced by the Rankin\/
\nBass Studios: _Frosty the Snowman_, _Rudolph the Red-Nosed Rein-
\ndeer_, _Here Comes Peter Cottontail_, and dozens of others.
\nMuller was said to weigh three hundred pounds and sport a
\nwhite beard — not an inappropriate look for a man who was behind
\nthe storylines of so many Christmas-themed programs.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2743, from hmccracken, 814 chars, Wed Jan 6 23:01:59 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: The Fifty Greatest Cartoons of All Time
\nTurner Publishing (one of Ted Turner’s operations) is working
\non a book that will discuss the fifty greatest cartoons of all
\ntime, as judged by a panel of animation experts, pundits, and
\nhistorians. I’ll upload a list of the cartoons that made the
\ncut when I have it — and I thought it might be fun for *us*
\nto discuss what we think are the greatest cartoons ever made
\nhere on BIX. The cartoons in the Turner book are ones that
\nare either the voters’ favorites, the ones they think are
\nmost important historically, or the ones that made them laugh
\nthe most, so we can use the same criteria. I’ll be uploading
\nmy personal list in the next few days; anyone else want to
\njoin in (you don’t have to list fifty cartoons; the top ten
\nor so would be fine!).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2744, from davemackey, 440 chars, Fri Jan 8 20:16:03 1993
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Happy Birthday….
\n…to veteran actor Larry Storch, who turns 70 today; besides his roles in
\nlive-action television and film, he’s done more than a few cartoon voices in
\nhis career, including Ko-Ko the Clown and most of the other voices for Hal
\nSeeger’s “Out Of The Inkwell” series, the characters Cool Cat and Merlin The
\nMagic Mouse at Warner Bros., and Marlon the mynah bird from “the Brady Kids.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2745, from davemackey, 867 chars, Fri Jan 8 20:16:22 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2743.
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\nGee, Harry. I haven’t decided whether I want to be an animation expert,
\npundit, or historian when I grow up… \ud83d\ude09
\nJust for brevity’s sake, I’ll tell you my top Ten. Drumroll, Anton…
\n10. Peace On Earth
\n9. Snow-White (the Betty Boop version)
\n8. Rhapsody Rabbit
\n7. Superman
\n6. Hockey Homicide
\n5. Red Hot Riding Hood
\n4. Duck Dodgers In The 24-1\/2th Century
\n3. Rabbit Of Seville
\n2. Coal Black And De Sebben Dwarfs
\n1. What’s Opera, Doc?<\/p>\n

Us voters also had to pick five of historical significance, and my five
\nwere Gertie The Dinosaur, Steamboat Willie, Flowers And Trees, A Wild Hare,
\nand Ragtime Bear.
\nFor those who don’t know, this project is being supervised by that
\nwell-known animation expert\/pundit\/historian, Jerry Beck (of “Looney Tunes
\nAnd Merrie Melodies” fame).
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2746, from nicolas, 674 chars, Sat Jan 9 18:46:02 1993
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\nTITLE: Animals of Farthing Wood
\nIn Europe Animals of Farthing Wood has just started broadcasting on all
\nthe major European Channels. I must say that I am not impressed with the
\nanimation quality. I was lead to expect better and I know that in Europe
\nwe can do better.<\/p>\n

The story is your basic Watership Down version. Animals get thrown out
\nof their homes because of human land developers. This time it’s not
\nonly the rabbits but lot’s of other animals as well. The animation is
\nyour basic animate only that part that moves. Backgrounds don’t move most
\nof the time.<\/p>\n

I hope it will pick up in the meantime. There are 26 episodes to go.<\/p>\n

……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2747, from hkenner, 421 chars, Sat Jan 9 22:10:46 1993
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\nTITLE: Apologies ..
\n..if this overlaps an earlier message I’ve overlooked; but<\/p>\n

Hyperion (NY) has published a fat & handsome multi-color paperback
\n(208 pp) called *Art of Animation .. from Mickey Mouse to Beauty
\nand the Beast*, by Bob Thomas. This is a considerable update of
\nhis 1957 book, with much new material including early-period
\ninterviews that for some reason didn’t make the first version.<\/p>\n

Recommended.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2748, from switch, 937 chars, Mon Jan 11 19:54:26 1993
\n————————–
\nHmmmn…<\/p>\n

I don’t know if I’d go with the historical\/funniest criteria, but here’s
\nmy list, categorized by genre:<\/p>\n

Warner Shorts
\n————-
\nDuck, Rabbit! Duck!
\nRabbit of Seville
\nWhat’s Opera, Doc?
\nOne Froggy Evening
\nFeed the Kitty
\nRabbit Fire
\nRabbit Seasoning
\nDuck Amuck
\nDover Boys at Pimento U.
\nBook Revue
\nA Lad In His Lamp
\nAli Baba Bunny
\nWearing of the Grin
\nTransylvania 6-5000
\nBully For Bugs
\nBeanstalk Bunny
\nWideo Wabbit
\nPorky in Wackyland
\nPigs In A Polka<\/p>\n

Anime
\n—–
\nGrave of the Fireflies
\nWings of Honneamise
\nLaputa
\nTonari no Totoro
\nProject “A” ko<\/p>\n

Feature Length
\n————–
\nFantasia
\nRock & Rule
\nAladdin<\/p>\n

MGM Shorts
\n———-
\nRed Hot Riding Hood
\nSwing Shift Cinderella
\nLittle Rural Riding Hood
\nMagical Maestro<\/p>\n

Others
\n——
\nBroken Down Film
\nSnow White (Betty Boop)
\nMechanical Monsters (Superman)
\nThe Bulleteers (Superman)
\nSing, Beast, Sing!<\/p>\n

A bit shy of 50, but that’s all I could think of off the top of my head.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2749, from davemackey, 98 chars, Tue Jan 12 00:26:18 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2742.
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\nFor completeness sake: Mr. Muller died on December 30, of cancer.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2750, from hkenner, 333 chars, Thu Jan 14 22:21:02 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Opera, Doc
\nWhat’s Opera, Doc was recently reported as getting accepted into some
\nNational Archive or other. …<\/p>\n

In a phone conversation 2 days ago with Chuck Jones I learned that it
\nis the *first* animated short to be so received. Earlier animated
\nstuff included Gertie the Dinosaur, Snow Whote, and Fantasia. Period.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2751, from switch, 49 chars, Thu Jan 14 22:38:11 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2750.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\nThere are additional comments to message 2750.
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\nGertie doesn’t count as an animated short?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2752, from hkenner, 204 chars, Fri Jan 15 12:32:20 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2751.
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\nGertie seems to me (and likely to CJ) a special-case historical
\nitem. A film meant to be accompanied by Winsor Mc. and his
\npointer. “Short” is less a designator of length than of
\nprogram position.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2753, from hmccracken, 463 chars, Sun Jan 17 19:11:36 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Auction Coming Up
\nOn Saturday, February 6th, Guernsey’s auction house in New York
\n(108 1\/2 E. 73rd St.) will be having an all-day animation art
\nauction, including the entire collection of Preston Blair, the
\nlegendary animator of Tex Avery’s Red Hot Riding Hood character
\nand the hipp\u000fo dancers in _Fantasia_. It sounds like it will
\nbe an interesting event even if you don’t have a few thousand
\nto place bids with — so I’m planning to be there.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2754, from davemackey, 188 chars, Mon Jan 18 21:05:33 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2750.
\nThere are additional comments to message 2750.
\n————————–
\nHugh, I refer you to animation\/silver.screen #305, in which “What’s Opera,
\nDoc?” is noted as joining the National Film Registry of the Library Of
\nCongress.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2755, from hmccracken, 225 chars, Wed Jan 20 22:15:50 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2753.
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\nCorrection to the above: the animation auction has been rescheduled
\nto Friday, February 5th. An auction of original comic art, including
\nthe art to the recent “Death of Superman” comic, will take place on
\nthe 6th.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2756, from hmccracken, 154 chars, Wed Jan 20 22:19:07 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2750.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nHugh — Was Chuck utterly delighted, as Maurice Noble was, to learn
\nof the honor garnered by _What’s Opera, Doc?_ Or is that a silly
\nquestion?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2757, from hkenner, 70 chars, Wed Jan 20 23:24:09 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2756.
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\nOf course he was utterly delighted. He rushed to tell me of it.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2758, from switch, 216 chars, Sat Jan 23 01:44:34 1993
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\nTITLE: Hiroshima International Animation Festival ’92
\nMy comments on the Hiroshima International Animation Festival
\nare presented in animation\/long.messages, starting at #116. Plenty
\no’ new stuff this year…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2759, from hkenner, 208 chars, Sat Jan 23 12:17:23 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Voices
\nIn *That’s Not All, Folks* Mel Blanc recalls Warner Bros starting to
\nsave money by having him do *all* the voices in some or all cartoons.
\nAnyone know about what year that might have been?
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2760, from hmccracken, 516 chars, Sat Jan 23 14:57:24 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2759.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nGood question! By the early forties, Blanc was definitely doing most of
\nthe voices in Warner Bros. cartoons, and as the years went by, the
\npercentage of Blanc voices only increased, until the only significant
\nWarner character not voiced by him was Elmer Fudd. But contrary to
\npopular belief, there was never a point at which Blanc did *every*
\nvoice in *every* Warner’s cartoon. Such performers as Stan Freberg,
\nJune Foray, Billy Bletcher, Jim Backus and Daws Butler all did Warner
\nvoices in the 1950s.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2761, from hkenner, 61 chars, Sat Jan 23 17:03:31 1993
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\nThanks, Harry! I did suspect Mel was over-simplifying.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2762, from hmccracken, 175 chars, Sat Jan 23 20:28:23 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2761.
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\nBlanc’s book is interesting, but oversimplified and downright
\ninaccurate in many places. I’d be interested to know to what
\ndegree it was the work of his co-author.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2763, from switch, 669 chars, Sat Jan 23 22:14:33 1993
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\nTITLE: BIX to Usenet
\nIf you’ve been reading the animation conference’s Usenet digests
\nfor rec.arts.anime, rec.arts.animation, alt.tv.tiny-toon, alt.manga,
\nrec.arts.manga, and alt.tv.simpsons (no wonder I’m always behind!)
\nand have been aching to reply to certain posts, now you can!
\nSince we now have Internet mail capability, this means we have
\naccess to the Mail-to-News service. It’s simple; just send your
\nmessage as mail to @cs.texas.edu. The
\nfield is the name of the newsgroup, with the periods replaced
\nwith hyphens. For example, to post a message to rec.arts.anime,
\njust send mail to re************@cs.e<\/span>du<\/span> and you’re done!<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2764, from hmccracken, 2674 chars, Sun Jan 24 17:40:41 1993
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\nTITLE: _Encyclopedia of Walt Disney’s Animated Characters: From Mickey
\nMouse to Aladdin_ by John Grant (Hyperion, $40)<\/p>\n

This new book is actually a revised edition of a work that first
\nappeared in 1987. Its title describes its purpose as well as I
\ncould: its nearly 400 pages are devoted to covering every major
\nDisney cartoon character and most of the minor ones, from the
\ncompany’s earliest silent films to _Aladdin_, covering theatrical
\nshorts and features as well as the studio’s television series. Each
\nlisting includes a filmography of all of that character’s appearances.<\/p>\n

Among the book’s virtues is its thoroughness (lots of very obscure
\ncharacters are covered), the hundreds of color pictures (if you
\nneed to be reminded about what almost any Disney character looks
\nlike, this is th book to consult), and its reasonably high level
\nof accuracy. Author Grant does an impressive job of sounding
\ninterested in every character he writes about — which is easy if
\nyou’re discussing Mickey Mouse or Snow White, but probably tough when
\nyou’re writing about some of the bottom-of-the-barrel films like
\n_Sword in the Stone_ or _DuckTales: The Movie_. The book’s original
\nedition dates from a perion during which almost every Disney-sanctioned
\nDisney book was produced in England, for some reason; author Grant’s
\nBritishness reveals itself in minor ways (how he spells the word
\n“color”) and in an overall perspective that’s more detached than
\nan American writer might have given the book.<\/p>\n

The book’s critical content is a bit odd: Grant apparently wasn’t
\nrequired to be completely rosy and upbeat, so he does say some negative
\nthings about certain movies. But every critical slap is followed by
\nan immediate moderating bit of praise, no matter how rotten the
\nthing he’s discussing. This is especially apparent in his sections
\non some of Disney’s terrible made-for-TV work.<\/p>\n

The new edition covers Disney theatrical and television cartoons from
\n1988 onwards, including _The Little Mermaid_, _Beauty and the Beast_,
\nand the many recent Disney TV cartoons. Unfortunately, the existing
\nsections were changed only as much as was absolutely required — for
\ncost reasons, presumably — meaning that some recent works like the
\n1990 featurette _The Prince and the Pauper_ are barely mentioned,
\nand for much of the book, when Grant says “the present time,” he
\nmeans 1987. The new sections are also somewhat sloppy, with a
\nnumber of typographical errors and misidentified photographs.<\/p>\n

Still, the book is a lot of fun to browse through, and a respectable
\nreference work. Disney completists should buy it now; others should
\nat least browse through it at a bookstore.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2765, from davemackey, 557 chars, Tue Feb 9 21:30:37 1993
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\nTITLE: A “Spin” on Raymond Scott
\nThe March 1993 issue of Spin Magazine includes an essay on the composer
\nRaymond Scott, whose compositions like “Powerhouse” and “Dinner Music For A
\nPack Of Hungry Cannibals” have spiced cartoon soundtracks from Bugs Bunny to
\nRen And Stimpy… the appreciation was penned by Henry Porch, who is the
\nmusic coordinator of “Ren And Stimpy”, which this season has begun using
\noriginal Scott recordings as part of the music score (including “The Toy
\nTrumpet,” “Powerhouse” and “Huckleberry Duck”).
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2766, from hmccracken, 1447 chars, Thu Feb 11 09:40:17 1993
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\nTITLE: The Guernsey’s Auction in NYC
\nLast week’s animation and comic art at the Puck Building in New York
\nCity was definitely worth attending, especially if you were a bidder
\nin search of a bargain or two. (Those with items up for auction were
\nmore likely to be disappointed.)<\/p>\n

The core items in the auction were a large selection of cels and
\ndrawings by animator Preston Blair, from Fantasia and other Disney
\nfims and from Tex Avery’s MGM shorts. The cels, unfortunately, were
\nfor the most part in pretty bad shape (with paint flaking off, etc.),
\nwhich probably explained why they went for prices below the estimates
\nfor the most part. The drawings did erratically: the Fantasia ones
\n(of the hippo from the “Dance of the Hours” sequence) didn’t do so
\nwell, but the ones of Red Hot Riding Hood from the Avery shorts did
\nat least as well as the estimates in general.<\/p>\n

Also up for bid were several dozen original pieces by Winsor McCay,
\nincluding some Little Nemo Sunday pages and several wonderful editorial
\ncartoons (most went for high prices, but a few could be had for under
\n$1000); several cheesecake paintings by the master, Alberto Vargas
\n(one that was estimated at $150,000 was passed when no one would bid
\non it), and a wonderful painting of the Yellow Kid. The auction was
\nrounded out with many lots of greater and lesser interest, including
\neverything from original Li’l Abner strips to cels from 1970s
\nFat Albert cartoons.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2767, from davemackey, 406 chars, Fri Feb 12 23:09:09 1993
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\nOne thing I learned about Preston Blair that I didn’t know, thanks to the
\nauction: he worked on an episode of “The Flintstones” entitled “The Social
\nClimbers.” I had never known Mr. Blair to work for Hanna-Barbera; an
\ninteresting revelation.
\n(Of course, if they had left the original screen credits on the first
\ntwo seasons of the show, we’d know such things by rote.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2768, from hmccracken, 275 chars, Sun Feb 14 20:53:20 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2767.
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\nThe cel set-ups from _The Flintstones_ that were sold at the auction
\nwere really nice (and I’m speaking as a non-Flintstones fan).
\nThey were in beautiful shape and were all good-looking — including
\na definitive cel setup of Fred aboard his dinosaur crane at work.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2769, from switch, 970 chars, Thu Feb 18 21:41:02 1993
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\nTITLE: Excursion to the Cinematheque<\/p>\n

Once again, Montrealer mettle was tested as brave animation fans
\ntrudged through snow and biting wind to the Cinematheque quebecoise.
\nThe program? “The Evolution of Bugs Bunny”, a reprise of the
\nscreening held two years earlier by Robert del Tredici, one of
\nmy former History of Animated Film professors. Last night’s program
\nwas a bit different from the previous one; about half the shorts
\nwere new, reflecting recent additions to Bob’s film collection.
\nHere’s the list:<\/p>\n

The Tortoise and the Hare (Disney)
\nPorky’s Hare Hunt *
\nPrest-O Chang-O
\nHare-um Scare-um *
\nElmer’s Candid Camera *
\nA Wild Hare
\nTortoise Beats Hare *
\nThe Heckling Hare
\nSuper Rabbit * (in black and white)
\nThe Old Grey Hare *
\nHair Raising Hare
\nGorilla My Dreams *
\nHare Trigger *<\/p>\n

The * denotes a film I’d never seen before. I was surprised that
\nfor a change, much of the program was new to me.<\/p>\n

Tomorrow at the Cinematheque: Winsor McCay’s Masterpieces.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2770, from hmccracken, 457 chars, Tue Feb 23 14:19:00 1993
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\nTITLE: New _Animato_ Out
\nIssue #24 of _Animato_ magazine (which I used to edit, and still
\ncontribute to from time to time) is out. The issue contains two
\ninterviews with stop-motion animation master Ray Harryhausen, a
\ngreat article on pre-Hays code 1930s cartoons and their risque gags,
\na piece on Bill Plympton, and lots of other stuff. The cover, by
\nSteve Bisette, is a really nice Gertie-the-Dinosaur-meets-a-Harryhausen-
\ndinosaur painting.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2771, from switch, 978 chars, Fri Feb 26 21:24:22 1993
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\nTITLE: A question from Fidonet<\/p>\n

Date: 01-21-93 (02:03) Number: 498
\nTo : All Refer#: 0
\nFrom: Curtis Hoffmann
\nSubj: Daffy Duck Rhapsody
\nConf: Toons<\/p>\n

I’m looking for a particular Looney Tunes cartoon with Daffy Duck as
\nthe star. I don’t know the title. It has a particular song that has
\nbeen played on Dr. Demento, that has been identified as “Daffy Duck’s
\nRhapsody.” The lyrics are set to a rather famous song, and go
\nsomething like “Hunters to the left of me, hunters to the right of me,
\nThat’s why I’m Da-ffy, I’m Daffy…”<\/p>\n

I’d really appreciate the name of the cartoon, the address to Dr.
\nDemento, and\/or the video tape volume the cartoon appears on. Thanks.<\/p>\n

* OLX 2.1 TD * People that keep on flaming me — Boot to the head.
\n— GEcho 1.00\/beta+
\n* Origin: Sci-Fi BBS * Rosemount, MN * HST\/DS * (612)423-7358 (1:282\/26)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2772, from hmccracken, 177 chars, Fri Feb 26 22:38:03 1993
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\nDave Mackey can probably say for sure, but I think that “Daffy Duck’s
\nRhapsody” was a novelty record, not the soundtrack to a cartoon.
\nIt’s a great song, in any case.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2773, from davemackey, 625 chars, Sat Feb 27 06:54:14 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2772.
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\nYou may be right, Harry — Dave Mackey thinks it may be a novelty record. Mel
\nBlanc made lots of records as the Warner Bros. characters for Capitol Records
\nin the 1940’s and 1950’s, and perhaps that’s one of them. (The material was
\nwritten for the records in many cases by the regular Warner Bros. writing
\nstaff, but nowhere near as good as the stuff they did in the cartoons.)
\nAnd besides, if Daffy sang such a song in the cartoon, I’d have known
\nabout it. The sort of stuff he sings in the cartoons becomes part of canon,
\nsuch as his Danny Kaye-inspired vocal stylings in “Book Revue.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2774, from davemackey, 904 chars, Sat Feb 27 06:54:38 1993
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\nTITLE: About Disney toon titles…
\nPart of the fun of gathering information on the Disney cartoon shorts is
\ntrying to find out which cartoons have original main titles and which don’t.
\nI saw something today that really confused me, and hope someone knows this or
\ncan find out.
\nDisney Channel ran “Hooked Bear” today, and I saw what looked to me like
\nCinemaScope titles, with modernistic opening graphics, as opposed to the
\nusual “characters grinning vacantly against a sunbeam background”. The
\nclosing title looked like a redrawn end title from the 50’s with the legend
\n“The End\/A Walt Disney Cartoon\/RCA Sound System”. I’m confused as to whether
\nthis is the original title, or one from a 1960’s reissue.
\nWhat’s making this even more of a puzzle is that I have a public-domain
\nvideotape with “Hooked Bear” on it and it has the traditional opening title
\nstyling.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2775, from switch, 47 chars, Sat Feb 27 22:47:39 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2773.
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\nAnd, of course, “Boobs in the Woods.” \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2776, from davemackey, 379 chars, Thu Mar 4 04:12:59 1993
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\nTITLE: BIX Animation hits the road
\nToday begins the Syracuse Cinefest, the annual four-day film show and
\nmemorabilia sale. If you’re in the Syracuse area, stop by and say hello to
\nyours truly and Harry McCracken, who will be looking to add more “Bucky And
\nPepito” cartoons to his collection. We’ll be there on Saturday and Sunday, so
\nlook for us!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2777, from davemackey, 337 chars, Thu Mar 4 19:21:59 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2774.
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\n“The Grasshopper And The Ant,” made in 1934, most likely has a reissue title
\non it, based on the print I saw on The Disney Channel today. In 1934, they
\nwere still just putting the title on screen against some sort of multicolor
\nbackground (on the Silly Symphonies). The copy I saw was a drawn title card.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2778, from davemackey, 1544 chars, Mon Mar 8 21:57:38 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2776.
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\nThe legend of our annual pilgramages to Syracuse Cinefest grows with each
\npassing year, and so does the list of participants for our annual Cartoon
\nBlowout.
\n(It really says
\nsomething about our group that the best received presentation of the evening
\nwas some “Schoolhouse Rock” videos provided by Tom Shim; all of us admit to
\nhaving “Conjunction Junction” and “Lolly Lolly Lolly Get Your Adverbs Here”
\non the brain for hours afterward.)
\nThe film program included some cartoons few fans have ever seen,
\nincluding a Van Beuren “Toddle Tales” entry called “A Little Bird Told Me,”
\nVolney White’s Terrytoon “The Magic Pencil,” and a laughably bad version of
\n“Diana And The Golden Apples” which may have been from the “Mello-Toons”
\nseries. From the television era, we had a sampling of “King Kong” and the
\n“Fearless Fly” segment from “The Milton The Monster Show” (which everyone
\nthought was quite hilarious), and an entire episode of “Linus The
\nLionhearted”.
\nYes, Harry did find some more “Bucky And Pepito” cartoons, and I found
\nfourteen more “Batfink” cartoons to add to what has become an immense
\ncollection, including some of the earliest episodes.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2779, from hmccracken, 142 chars, Wed Mar 10 22:18:03 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2778.
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\nThe Syracuse bash was indeed a blast. I think everyone who attended
\nagreed — and I’m already looking forward to next year’s event.
\n– Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2780, from mscoville, 141 chars, Fri Mar 12 19:59:52 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2764.
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\nThe Animation Art Guild has copies available with a discount for Bixen’s. Phone
\nthe Guild for the price and shipping arrangements. mscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2781, from bcapps, 2691 chars, Sat Mar 13 00:45:14 1993
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\nTITLE: A Nice Surprise
\nThe wife and I went shopping last weekend and decided to go over to the local
\nmall ‘just for the heck of it’ and to see what deals could be found on some
\nnew dress shoes for me (wingtip, 11.5D, Burgandy (for the first time![Usually
\nblack]). Anyway, we get to the mall and it’s CROWDED! We’re just sort of
\nscratching our heads and wondering what’s going on. We get inside and we
\nfind that the Disneyland Toontown Festival has arrived and so have the parents
\nand kids! So we find some shoes and then wander around looking at all the
\nexhibits (just a few really) – mostly it was trying to wander around the
\ncrowds waiting for the Mickey show and the Minnie show. BUT! Down near
\nSears, we found the Disneyland Toon Art Exhibit with a Real Live Animator!
\nWe get there about 5 minutes before the ‘show
\n(ick!) er, ‘show’ starts and we see folks getting tickets, so I get nudged
\nto go forth and get us a couple of tickets. This I faithfully do and so
\nI trudge back to our standing place (no real seats – no real room!) and the
\nshow begins. The Animator is Stacia Martin – she does a bit of still work
\nfor WDC and was responsible for Liz Taylor’s Giant Birthday Card. She was
\nquite entertaining and asked lots of questions whilst happily drawing
\naway. For the show she did a Mickey, a Jasmine, a Minnie and a Goofy.
\nThen she called out ticket numbers. We get to the fourth ticket and we
\nare only like 10 numbers away – so close! The other winners got one of
\nthe four drawn during the show with “genuine signatures” from the char-
\nacters addressed to the winner. Then she says don’t go away we’re not
\ndone yet. So, entertainment-starved things that we are (especially for
\nthings Disney – and yet we still haven’t seen Aladdin!), we wait. And
\nthe first ticket she draws out is … ONE OF OURS! It took a moment
\nfor the realization to register for my wife – but then she yells ‘That’s
\nME!.’ So we go happily trotting up to the stage area. Now earlier, I
\nhad mentioned that I thought maybe a pic of Uncle Scrooge would be nice,
\nbut we already have a cel of him in his money bin. We get there and
\nStacia asks ‘Who would you like for me to draw?’ And my wife hmmms for
\na moment, looks at me, and then says ‘Roger Rabbit!’ Now, this is
\nactually ok by me since I enjoyed that film. So we got a nice pic of
\nsmilin’ Roger for an inconvenienced trip to the mall. Sorry it took
\nso many bytes to get across, but it was fun! (BTW, she signed it as
\nif Roger had taken a crayon to it! Cute!) This is not a pencil work,
\nbut rather a graphite\/crayon mix that provides a variety of smooth
\nstrokes yet is resistant to most smearing.
\nWe’s gonna get it matted!<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2782, from hmccracken, 496 chars, Sat Mar 13 14:50:59 1993
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\nWow! Neat! For several years, the Jordan Marsh department store here
\nin Boston held an annual “Walt Disney World Days” event that sounds
\nsimilar. During this event, several Disney artists would sit all
\nday drawing Disney characters by demand for any and all attendees.
\nIt was fascinating to watch, because these folks could draw *any*
\nDisney character, but each time they drew any given character, it
\nlooked exactly the same as every other rendition of that character
\nthey’d done.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2783, from davemackey, 714 chars, Thu Mar 25 05:41:41 1993
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\nTITLE: Don’t overlook this article
\nSubscribers to The Disney Channel should check out their April-May program
\nguide for a very interesting article on one of the studio’s more legendary
\nanimators, Marc Davis, in connection with the channel’s premiere of “101
\nDalmatians” this Spring.
\nMr. Davis, who was one of the studio’s fabled “Nine Old Men,” was solely
\nresponsible for the animation of Cruella DeVil in the film, and a fairly nice
\nguy — I got to meet him a few years ago.
\nSay what you want about “Disney magic” — it still takes people to make
\nthat magic, and it’s nice that the Channel’s magazine takes time out and
\nsalutes the animators who helped make that happen.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2784, from davemackey, 430 chars, Thu Mar 25 05:41:50 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2782.
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\nA few years ago, when I was at Disney\/MGM, they were doing some minor
\nremodeling to the area where former studio artist Harry Holt would sit at an
\nanimator’s desk and do sketches for park guests, so I didn’t get to see a
\nReal Live Disney Animator that time. I wonder if the exhibit is still there,
\nand if Holt is still the animator who does the sketches. Any recent park
\nvisitors know for certain?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2785, from hmccracken, 546 chars, Sun Mar 28 19:25:56 1993
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\nTITLE: Jones in _Newsweek_
\nChuck Jones fans (and cartoon fans in general) should rush out and
\nbuy the current _Newsweek), with Michael Douglas on the cover, for a
\nnifty two-page feature on a recent cartoonists’ meeting at the home
\nof Senator Daniel Moynihan. The feature includes Bill Clinton-themed
\ncomics by political cartoonists including Doug Marlette, Mark Alan
\nStamaty, Jeff Macnelly, Mike Peters — and Chuck Jones, who contributed
\na nifty drawing of the Road Runner and the Coyote ricocheting off the
\nwalls of the Oval Office.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2786, from hmccracken, 599 chars, Sun Mar 28 19:32:36 1993
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\nTITLE: The Oscars
\nWhile everyone else is wondering how many Oscars Clint Eastwood
\nand\/or _The Crying Game_ wil pick up tomorrow night, I’m wondering
\nwho will present the award for Best Animated Short. In recent years,
\nthe award has been presented by one famous cartoon character or
\nanother — including, as I recall, Mickey Mouse, Bugs Bunny (twice),
\nRoger Rabbit (I think), Woody Woodpecker, and Beauty and the
\nBeast. Since B&B did the honors last year, I’m guessing the presenter
\nwill be a non-Disney character this year. (Although the Genie from
\n_Aladdin_ seems an obvious choice.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2787, from switch, 287 chars, Sun Mar 28 20:53:14 1993
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\nWho’s nominated for Best Animated Short? I know Joyce Borenstein’s
\n“The Colours of My Father” was nominated, but that’s it. (Incidentally,
\nJoyce was the only one on the admissions board who had the good
\ntaste to vote to admit me into animation at Concordia on my first
\nattempt.”<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2788, from hmccracken, 197 chars, Sun Mar 28 20:59:20 1993
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\nEmru — See silver.screen, message 325 for the nominees. (Although
\nthe one you mention isn’t listed, and “Mona Lisa Descending a
\nStaircase” is accidentally broken down into two titles.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2789, from davemackey, 114 chars, Mon Mar 29 00:08:21 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2788.
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\nThat’s because my local paper, source for such stuff, threw in a confusing
\ncomma.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2790, from switch, 130 chars, Mon Mar 29 11:56:32 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2788.
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\nYeah, I discovered that today; Joyce’s film is under Best Short
\nSubject, which makes more sense; it’s only partly animated.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2791, from sharonfisher, 28 chars, Mon Mar 29 18:53:01 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2786.
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\nRen & Stimpy?
\nThe Simpsons?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2792, from hmccracken, 385 chars, Mon Mar 29 22:29:30 1993
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\nWell it turned out to be Snow White (in preparation for the re-release
\nof _Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs_ this summer, I guess). But
\nit was a pretty unconvincing recreation of the character if you ask
\nme, not helped by a snafu that made her pause mysteriously when
\nshe was supposed to announce the winning film (Joan Gratz’s excellent
\n_Mona Lisa Descending a Staircase_).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2793, from davemackey, 224 chars, Mon Mar 29 23:17:11 1993
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\nYou’re all wrong. It was Snow White, rather poorly animated at that. It is
\nkind of awkward having these classic cartoon characters presenting awards for
\nfilms they wouldn’t be caught dead in.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2794, from switch, 71 chars, Tue Mar 30 10:24:46 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2793.
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\nDon’t you mean “wouldn’t be caught line-tested in”?<\/p>\n

Never mind.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2795, from davemackey, 308 chars, Tue Mar 30 13:56:22 1993
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Larz Bourne
\nLarz Bourne, 77, writer for Famous and Terrytoons cartoon studios, died on
\nMarch 14. Mr. Bourne wrote for “Casper” and “Popeye” while at Famous, and
\n“Deputy Dawg” at Terrytoons. Later he freelanced for Hanna-Barbera and
\nDePatie-Freleng among others. –Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2796, from mscoville, 223 chars, Wed Mar 31 22:29:39 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2792.
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\nI wonder if anyone went to the morgue and got the model sheets of Jasmine and Snow White and then got them mixed up . I
\nt was the poorest example of Snow White I
\nhave ever seen. Who was responsible for the snafu? mscoville<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2797, from bcapps, 719 chars, Wed Mar 31 23:26:29 1993
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\nTITLE: Of Mooses and Tacos
\nMy wife and I went out to lunch today to a Taco Bell near where we work
\n(Reston, VA) and lo and behold Bullwinkle and Rocky have landed new jobs
\nas spokestoons for T.B. All the employees were wearing t-shirts with a
\nbold full-face shot of BW, our hero, and blue buttons with that flying
\nfriend, Rocky, stating that “Burgers are Boring.” There was a Boris and
\nNatasha poster with a little two-title phrase (“Just like the show!”).
\nYou get a punch card and for 40 taco purchases you get the shirt and there
\nare other promos for lesser numbers of purchases. However, we started off
\non a miscount already. We only got 1 punch for 2 tacos. Course they were
\nalso fairly busy at the time.<\/p>\n

Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2798, from hmccracken, 165 chars, Thu Apr 1 09:35:10 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2797.
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\nGee, it looks like I’ll need to find a Taco Bell and start eating there
\nregularly…
\n(Did the location you visited have the life-sized talking Bullwinkle?)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2799, from davemackey, 340 chars, Thu Apr 1 20:37:44 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2798.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nI will stake out one of my increasingly local Taco Bells (Monmouth County
\njust got its first a few weeks ago, on Route 9 in Howell; another one is
\nproposed for Hazlet) and see. All of the Bullwinkle commercials look pretty
\nspiffy, and the septugenarian June Foray still sounds great doing her famous
\nvoices.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2800, from hmccracken, 324 chars, Thu Apr 1 22:30:28 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2799.
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\nI made a special visit to Taco Bell tonight for dinner, and it’s well
\nworth the effort. The place is so bedecked with Bullwinkle stuff
\nthat for the duration of the promo, it’s almost like a Bullwinkle-
\nthemed restaurant. (Oddly, the illustrations of Rocky all have
\nhim with a black nose; the commercials don’t.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2801, from elfhive, 251 chars, Thu Apr 1 22:41:12 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2800.
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\nI’m sorry Harry. I couldn’t muster “a special visit to Taco Bell tonight
\nfor dinner” even for Bullwinkle \ud83d\ude42
\nAll this reminds of “The Who Sell Out” album with the picture of Roger
\nDaltrey sitting in a bathtub of baked beans holding up a can of Heinz.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2802, from ianl, 119 chars, Fri Apr 2 02:34:49 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2801.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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Yeah, I like Rocky and Bullwinkle as much as the next toon fan, maybe
\nmore. But not enough to eat at a Taco Bell.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2803, from hmccracken, 146 chars, Fri Apr 2 08:26:47 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2802.
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\nWell, my taste for junk food – I’m ashamed to admit — is such that
\nI would cheerfully consume Taco Bell food *without* the Bullwinkle<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2804, from davemackey, 376 chars, Fri Apr 2 15:39:55 1993
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Nino Carbe
\nNino Carbe, veteran animation background painter, died on February 22. He
\ncontributed to the Tocatta & Fugue segment of “Fantasia” as well as Disney
\nshorts including “Duck Pimples” and “Canine Patrol”. He also worked for
\nWalter Lantz, Hanna-Barbera, Filmation, DePatie-Freleng, Screen Gems and
\nSanrio.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2805, from hmccracken, 379 chars, Fri Apr 2 16:21:49 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2795.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\n…Over on another information service that shall remain nameless
\n(hint: its initials are CIS), Mark Evanier revealed another interesting
\nfact about Lars Bourne: he was the creator of the wonderful comic-book
\ncharacter Stumbo the Giant, who appeared in backup stories in Harvey
\nComics’ _Hot Stuff, the Li’l Devil_ comics for many years (probably
\nstill does, in fact).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2806, from davemackey, 155 chars, Fri Apr 2 19:19:34 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2800.
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\nThis major promotion that Taco Bell is doing with R&B reminds me that there
\nused to be a restaurant called “Bullwinkle’s.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2807, from switch, 211 chars, Sat Apr 3 01:14:34 1993
\n————————–
\nTITLE: For any and all interested
\nMy review of the animation screening held by the (Montreal) International
\nMuseum of Cartoon Art and the Montreal Film Society last Wednesday
\nlurks in \/long.messages #121.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2808, from ianl, 135 chars, Sat Apr 3 13:44:50 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2806.
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There still is a restaurant called Bullwinkle’s. We have one here in
\nColorado, in a little tourist-trap town up in the mountains.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2809, from hmccracken, 66 chars, Sat Apr 3 21:11:06 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2808.
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\nThe one with the talking robots of Jay Ward characters?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2810, from davemackey, 177 chars, Sat Apr 3 23:22:43 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2805.
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\nBut Larz Bourne was not, as we know, creator and proprietor of the Larzland
\narcade\/amusement complex out on the main drag in Kissimmee, Florida.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2811, from hmccracken, 1362 chars, Sun Apr 11 13:22:54 1993
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\nTITLE: Words & Pictures Museum
\nLast weekend, I found myself in Northampton, Mass., and took the opportunity
\nto visit the recently-opened Words and Pictures Museum of Fine Sequential
\nArt. Founded by Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles co-creator Kevin Eastman,
\nthe museum is a medium-sized place devoted primarily to comic-book art
\nof the 1970s, 80s and 90s. The current exhibit happens to be a
\nNinja Turtle-themed one (tied into the current film), but the changing
\nschedule of displays covers a lot of other ground, too. (Not surprisingly,
\nthough, there are a lot of TMNT references about the place: you enter
\nthrough a sewer tunnel, for instance.)<\/p>\n

Since the museum is modest in scale, it’s probably not worth travelling
\nhuge distances to visit unless you’re sure the current exhibit is of
\nspecific interest. But if it is, or you happen to be in the neighborhood,
\nit’s certainly worth dropping in — especially since admission is free.
\n(Contributions are accepted.)<\/p>\n

Enthusiasts can become members of the museum, for fees ranging from
\n$25 (Associate) to $500 (Inner Sanctum); membership gets you a
\nnewsletter, discounts at the museum shop (which is thankfully stocked
\nwith comic art rather than Ninja Turtle toys) and other benefits.
\nThe museum is at 244 Main St. in Northampton (in a building called
\nthe Roundhouse); the phone number is (413) 586-8545.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2812, from hkenner, 148 chars, Wed Apr 14 19:25:04 1993
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\nTITLE: Dot & Line
\nDoes anyone out there have either a video of the Chuck Jones
\n*The Dot and the Line*, or info about where I can obtain one?<\/p>\n

–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2813, from davemackey, 207 chars, Thu Apr 15 04:59:42 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2812.
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\n“The Dot And The Line” has never been released to video, but it does show up
\nquite frequently on TNT. It gets into the 9 a.m. Pink Panther show about once
\na month on average.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2814, from hmccracken, 297 chars, Sat Apr 17 23:14:38 1993
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\nTITLE: Boston-Area Disney Show
\nBoston Disney fans may want to check out the Disney Collectors’ Show
\nbeing held tomorrow at the Natick Holiday Crowne Plaza on Route 9,
\nacross from the Natick Mall. It’s a large room full of dealer’s tables,
\nand there may beother events going on as well.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2815, from hmccracken, 441 chars, Tue Apr 20 18:20:46 1993
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\nTITLE: Weird Endorsements Dept.
\nOn page 447 of the new _PC Magazine_, there’s an ad for Data Sources,
\na directory of computer products, with a nice picture of Ignatz Mouse
\nfrom George Herriman’s _Krazy Kat_ comic strip. As a Herriman fan
\nI’m pleased, but even after reading the ad, I can’t for the life of
\nme figure out what Ignatz is doing there. (He’s nicely tagged with
\na King Features copyright message and all.) Any ideas?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2816, from switch, 2795 chars, Sun Apr 25 16:46:02 1993
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\nTITLE: My last outing…
\n(This is from a showing two weeks ago, but I didn’t have the time
\nto type it in until now.)<\/p>\n

Every so often, the Cinematheque quebecoise has a showing of
\nJapanese animation. And, with the exception of GRAVE OF THE
\nFIREFLIES, I always manage to miss it. This month they had a
\nthree-part program: spread out over three Wednesdays, focusing on
\nindependent Japanese animators from the 60s, 70s, and 80s. I
\nmanaged to miss the first and third showings, but managed to make
\nit to the second.<\/p>\n

Unfortunately, due to (a) a somewhat tiring day and (b) the
\nincredibly comfortable seats in the theater, I fell asleep during
\nsome parts through. Consequently, this review will be quite a bit
\nshorter than usual.<\/p>\n

Oh, well. I can’t think up a preface beyond my moaning, so I’ll
\nuse the blurb from the cinema’s schedule.<\/p>\n

Quickly translated from the French:<\/p>\n

“The public has hastily forged an opinion of Nippon’s animated
\ncinema based on its television series, synonymous with violence
\nand mediocrity. However in Japan there exists a wonderful auteur
\ncinema, centered around its national culture. The body of these
\nproductions are characterized by a certain originality, careful
\ndevelopment of theme, and an attachment to the rich traditions of
\nthe country.”<\/p>\n

THE DEMON\/LA DIABLESSE (1972, 8 minutes)
\nDOJOJI TEMPLE\/LE TEMPLE DOJOJI (1976, 19 minutes)
\nHOUSE OF FLAME\/MAISON DE FLAMMES (1976, 19 minutes)
\nAll by Kihachiro Kawamoto, using puppets, cutouts, inks, paint,
\nand colored pencils.
\nThe first Kawamoto production I ever saw was HOUSE OF FLAME, five
\nyears ago. I was and still am greatly impressed by the man’s
\nwork. These three films share common features: they are all based
\non old Japanese tales; shots are often laid out to resemble
\ndifferent kinds of Japanese artwork; all use fantastic puppetry
\nand have an incredible level of detail. Kawamoto’s work is
\navailable on tape or laserdisc, and I’d recommend going out and
\ngetting them immediately after reading this post.<\/p>\n

MAN AND A HIGH SPEED SOCIETY\/VITESSE (Taku Furukawa, 1980,
\n5 minutes, cel)
\nBruno Bozzetto did something similar to this in his short film,
\nGRASSHOPPER. In GRASSHOPPER Bozzetto took us through an extremely
\ncondensed history of the world with short, humorous vignettes
\nlinked by the enduring presence of grasshoppers in a field. This
\nfilm is similar, but it shows us the evolution of many different
\ncultures to the present day, linking each vignette with a
\nprimitive man. A very funny and fast-moving film.<\/p>\n

POINT (Shinichi Suzuki, 1971, 5 minutes, cel)
\nThis film is a series of about a dozen unrelated shorts by
\ndifferent animators, each beginning and ending with a black dot in
\nthe middle of the screen. Overall, this was pretty funny.<\/p>\n

If I’m lucky, I’ll be awake this coming Wednesday.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2817, from davemackey, 280 chars, Tue Apr 27 19:37:03 1993
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\nTITLE: Happy Birthday….
\nto animation pioneer Walter Lantz, father of many beloved characters still
\nfamiliar in the nation’s conscience, including Woody Woodpecker, Andy Panda,
\nand Chilly Willy. He is 93 years young today. Happy Birthday, Walter!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2818, from hmccracken, 84 chars, Tue Apr 27 22:59:26 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2817.
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\nHappy birthday, Walt! Seventy years in the animation business. Amazing!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2819, from hmccracken, 439 chars, Fri Apr 30 21:26:35 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2817.
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\nAn amazing (and true!) update to your birthday wishes to Walter Lantz,
\nDave: during a recent speech at UCLA, Lantz revealed that he recently
\nwas going through some family papers and found, for the first time
\nin his life, his birth certificate. While his parents had always
\ntold him that he had been born in 1900, the certificate gave the date
\nas 1899! So by all appearances, Mr. Lantz is 94 years young, rather than
\na mere 93!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2820, from davemackey, 162 chars, Mon May 3 17:58:03 1993
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\nTITLE: Obituary
\nLeone Timmins died on March 30 of ventricular fibrillation, age 87. She was
\nthe wife of veteran animator Reuben Timmins. –Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2821, from davemackey, 147 chars, Tue May 4 02:12:39 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2810.
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\nBut I wonder: I just learned that Larz Bourne had been living in Florida
\nprior to his death, and died in Sarasota.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2822, from hmccracken, 1014 chars, Thu May 6 09:42:29 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Uncle Walt, G-Man?
\nToday’s New York Times has a fascinating article that reports that an
\nupcoming biography of Walt Disney (“Walt Disney, Hollywood’s Dark Prince,”
\ndue in July) says that Walt Disney was an informant to the FBI from
\n1940 until his death in 1966. The book also reports that changes were
\nmade to an episode of the Mickey Mouse Club and to the 1960s live-action
\nDisney film _Moon Pilot_ after J. Edgar Hoover saw scripts and complained
\nabout unflattering representation of his agency. (Another film that
\nHoover asked for changes in, the Hayley Mills vehicle _That Darn Cat_,
\nwasn’t changed.)<\/p>\n

None of this is particularly surprising, since it’s been known for a long
\ntime that Disney was an anti-Commuinist type, who accused some of the
\nleaders of the 1941 Disney strike of being Reds, and later testified
\nbefore Congress on the subject of Communists in the film industry.
\nThe FBI program he was involved in had other Hollywood participants,
\nincluding an actor named Ronald Reagan.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2823, from switch, 320 chars, Thu May 6 15:10:44 1993
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\nTITLE: Animators’ mailing list
\nI figured people here would be interested in this: the Internet now has a
\nmailing list for animators — basically, an e-mail forum for people
\ninterested in creating animation. If you want to join, just send e-mail
\nwith a subject of “subscribe” to animate-request%it***@ds*.c<\/span>om<\/span>.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2824, from nicolas, 104 chars, Fri May 7 07:43:26 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2822.
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\nYeah Harry. That bit ‘o news even made the papers here in Holland.
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2825, from hmccracken, 245 chars, Fri May 7 09:43:40 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2824.
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\nGee! It was one of the biggest stories on CNN yesterday night, right
\nup there with events in Bosnia. A Disney spokesperson decried the
\nreports and said the book was a smear. It should make for interesting
\nreading when it comes out.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2826, from switch, 393 chars, Sat May 8 21:53:17 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2822.
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\nIt’s been all over the news here, and I’m really annoyed. I’ve
\nbeen fed up with this trend of besmirching cultural icons like
\nJFK, Hoover, etc. I mean, why bother? I know that they were only
\nhuman, but is it necessary to dig for every little bit of dirt?<\/p>\n

Here in the Gazette, they made note of the allegation that Disney
\nliked to dress in his mother’s clothes, as well.<\/p>\n

Oh, please.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2827, from hmccracken, 292 chars, Sat May 8 22:27:46 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2826.
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\nThis looks like it’s going to be a sleazy (but possibly interesting)
\nbook — maybe a bigger smear job than Richard Schickel’s _The
\nDisney Version_. But we’ll have to wait and see, of course.
\n(And it’s fair to say that Walt Disney wasn’t a particularly
\nlovable guy in private life.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2828, from davemackey, 550 chars, Sun May 9 15:50:35 1993
\n————————–
\nTITLE: A few back obits
\nSorry for the delay on these two passing notices, but if I don’t hear about
\n’em, you don’t hear about em.
\nDick Brown died on January 23, age 68, of cancer. Mr. Brown operated the
\nCambria studio, which was responsible for “Clutch Cargo”, “Space Angel”, and
\n“The New 3 Stooges” television cartoon series.
\nAnd Sharon Disney Lund, 56, passed away on February 16, also of cancer.
\nMrs. Lund was the daughter of Walt Disney, and a director of Retlaw
\nEnterprises and The Walt Disney Company.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2829, from nicolas, 119 chars, Mon May 10 03:43:47 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2825.
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\nI am going to put that book on my shopping list. Oh how the mighty are
\nfallen \ud83d\ude42
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2830, from hmccracken, 288 chars, Mon May 10 08:53:35 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2829.
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\nWhat I find funny about the news reports are the shocked tone they use
\nwhen reporting that Hoover made sure a Mickey Mouse Club program filmed
\nat FBI headquarters portrayed the agency in a favorable light. Like
\nanybody expected the MMC to do a muckraking investigative report?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2831, from ianl, 326 chars, Mon May 10 20:15:54 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2830.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

I remember reading all these Disney\/FBI allegations long ago, both the MMC
\nstuff, and the fact that all movie scripts were reviewed to make sure the
\nFBI didn’t look bad in any of them. Where I read it was one of the Uncle
\nJohn’s Bathroom Reader books, but I forget where they excerpted the stuff
\nfrom, I’ll have to check.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2832, from switch, 174 chars, Thu May 13 22:14:21 1993
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\nTITLE: Pointer
\nOver in \/long.messages #124 is a review of some opera-related
\nanimated shorts I saw last week. Some are old favorites, some
\nobscure gems. Have a look!<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2833, from davemackey, 425 chars, Fri May 14 20:17:49 1993
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\nTITLE: I don’t think Ariel and Eric went that far
\nA fourth-grade class in Bronx, NY, yesterday got ready to watch “The Little
\nMermaid.” Instead, when the play button was pushed, the kids were treated to
\nfrom five to thirty seconds (depending on the account) of a pornographic
\nfilm. The school’s principal sent home a letter with the kids asking the
\nparents to discuss the situation with them.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2834, from tshim, 267 chars, Sat May 15 02:35:45 1993
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\nTITLE: Hey, hey, hey
\nI’m back! For 5 hours, this month. From Telnet to you.<\/p>\n

Hi Harry, Hi Dave — say, Dave, you called me — whatcha wanna know?<\/p>\n

Hey Emru, keep me posted on when the next ish is.<\/p>\n

Nice to be here — say, when’s the next CBix?<\/p>\n

Thanks in advance.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2835, from davemackey, 262 chars, Sat May 15 08:15:20 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2834.
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\nWelcome back, guy. I left you e-mail regarding what I called you about. As
\nfar as the next CBIX, it’s every Tuesday night at 10 p.m.
\nYou have several thousand messages to sift through since you left here.
\nStart reading… \ud83d\ude09
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2836, from hmccracken, 250 chars, Sat May 15 10:34:19 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2834.
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\nTom! Welcome back. Remember — once you learn to BIX, you never
\nforget how. It’s kind of like riding a bicycle.<\/p>\n

(For those who don’t know him, Tom was an early member of the
\nanimation conference who has been away for a very long time.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2837, from switch, 118 chars, Tue May 18 01:32:15 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2834.
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\n————————–
\nHey there! The next ish is “someday soon,” and the next CBIX
\nis tomorrow night. Will we be seeing you there?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2838, from tshim, 122 chars, Tue May 18 01:56:44 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nI think, though, that Babbit, Tytla, and others would like to see as much
\nof the truth as possible come out about Disney.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2839, from tshim, 87 chars, Tue May 18 01:57:42 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nDoes anyone remember the reaction (both Disney and public-wise) to Schickel;s
\nbook>
\n?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2840, from tshim, 59 chars, Tue May 18 02:00:12 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nI’ll try to make it! Thanks for all the hellos, everyone.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2841, from hmccracken, 146 chars, Tue May 18 11:48:43 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2840.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nTom — Remember to “REPLY” rather than “SAY” when commenting on prior
\nmessages, so we can figure out what you’re referring to. Thanks!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2842, from hmccracken, 535 chars, Tue May 18 15:29:56 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2839.
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\nI think the Schickel book was well-reviewed in the mainstream press.
\nComing in the late 1960s, a book debunking Uncle Walt was probably
\nappropriate for the times. Animation fans, though, have always
\nhated the book (partially because it’s so negative, partially
\nbecause it
\ns full of significant factual errors).<\/p>\n

Curiously enough, by the time Schickel got around to issuing a revised
\nedition in the late 1980s, he had become a Disney fan — so the new
\nmaterial in that edition seems almost to be the work of a different
\nguy.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2843, from switch, 38 chars, Tue May 18 20:55:43 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2838.
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\nIs Tytla still alive? Hmmmn…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2844, from hmccracken, 35 chars, Tue May 18 23:34:00 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2843.
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\nBill Tytla died in 1968.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2845, from davemackey, 76 chars, Tue May 18 23:38:12 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2843.
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\nBill Tytla died in 1968; Babbitt last year.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2846, from tshim, 34 chars, Tue May 18 23:42:07 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2841.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nREPLY? I thought it was COMMENT.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2847, from tshim, 45 chars, Tue May 18 23:44:09 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2842.
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\nHow much was dropped and how much was added?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2848, from ianl, 105 chars, Wed May 19 00:30:15 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2846.
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REPLY is mail, COMMENT is conferencing. Except, either works the same
\nin either location anyway. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2849, from davemackey, 154 chars, Tue Jun 1 22:00:12 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2834.
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\nSorry that you can’t be with us longer, Mr. Shim, but we do have some lovely
\nparting gifts. What does he get, Charlie? \ud83d\ude09
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2850, from switch, 159 chars, Thu Jun 3 00:37:50 1993
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\nTITLE: Pointer
\nMy last outing the Cinematheque Quebecoise gave me about eight
\nUSSR-animated short films to review. Check it out in \/long.messages
\n#129.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2851, from hmccracken, 760 chars, Thu Jun 3 09:30:22 1993
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Marge
\nMarjorie Henderson Buell, who signed her cartoons “Marge” and created
\nLittle Lulu for the _Staturday Evening Post_ in 1935, died on Sunday
\nin Elyria, Ohio. She was 88.<\/p>\n

Marge, who sold her first cartoon at the age of 16, came up with
\nLittle Lulu when Carl Anderson took his _Henry_ panel from the Post
\nto the King Features syndicate. Lulu was immediately popular, and the
\ncharacter became an advertisting spokescharacter for Kleenex, appeared
\nin a series of animated cartoons in the 1940s, and starred in a long-
\nrunning and popular line of comic books (which Marge had approval over
\nbut did not write or draw; they were written by John Stanley for many
\nyears). Lulu also appeared in a newspaper comic strip for many years.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2852, from hmccracken, 358 chars, Thu Jun 3 09:33:18 1993
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Obituary: Donn Tatum
\nDonn Tatum died in Pacific Palisades, Calif. on Monday; he was 80 years
\nold. Tatum became CEO\/Chairman of Walt Disney Productions in 1971,
\nafter joining the company as production business manager in 1956.
\nHe played a signficant role in the development of two Disney theme parks:
\nWalt Disney World and Tokyo Disneyland.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2853, from hmccracken, 209 chars, Thu Jun 3 09:34:55 1993
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Mickey’s Back in China
\nMickey Mouse comic books are available again in China, after being taken
\noff the market four years ago because of lax copyright enforcement by
\nthe Chinese government.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2854, from hmccracken, 773 chars, Sun Jun 6 23:11:52 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Dornan on Disney
\nReferences to animation pop up in the weirdest places. While half-
\nwatching CSPAN tonight, I came across a report of a visit by Rep.
\nBob Dornan (a foaming-at-the-mouth Republican from Southern
\nCalifornia) to a Republican function in New Hampshire. One of
\nDornan’s hosts began talking to him about President Clinton’s
\nactions regarding gays in the military, and this somehow led to
\nDornan bringing up the Disney cartoon _The Three Caballeros_
\nand singing several lines from the title song, which includes
\nthe word “gay” in its sense of cheeriness or vivaciousness.<\/p>\n

The Disney reference was particularly appropriate, considering that
\nDornan is (I believe) the congressman who represents Disneyland, as
\nwell as the rest of Orange County.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2855, from jshook, 203 chars, Sun Jun 6 23:26:22 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2854.
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I think he was also the one who filibustered the Senate last fall
\nwith his theories that Clinton is a KGB mole. I suppose that
\nnow there is no KGB we can all breathe a little easier on that
\ncount….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2856, from hmccracken, 63 chars, Mon Jun 7 12:58:14 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2855.
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\nK.G.B. Mole? Wasn’t he one of the Three Caballeros?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2857, from davemackey, 72 chars, Mon Jun 7 19:20:29 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2856.
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\nSounds like a villain in “Dangermouse”.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2858, from jshook, 53 chars, Mon Jun 7 23:20:29 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2856.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

No… you’re thinking of Chicken Mole. Delicious!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2859, from davemackey, 292 chars, Tue Jun 8 20:34:06 1993
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\nTITLE: What he said
\nJohn Leguizamo, perhaps best known for his one-man show “Spic-O-Rama” but who
\nthis summer is appearing as Luigi in “Super Mario Bros.”, recently told an
\ninterviewer that the two most enduring Latin stars are Desi Arnaz and Speedy
\nGonzales.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2860, from hmccracken, 1035 chars, Tue Jun 8 21:06:59 1993
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\nTITLE: Walt Disney, Alcoholic Nazi
\nI’m not suggesting that anyone actually buy the current issue
\nof _The National Enquirer_, but as you stand in the checkout
\nlane at your local grocery store this week, you may want to steal
\na look at a copy. Inside, there’s an excerpt from the new book
\n_Walt Disney, Hollywood’s Dark Prince_ that alleges, among other things:<\/p>\n

* That Disney attended American Nazi Party meetings in the late 1930s
\n* That he had several nervous breakdowns
\n* That his brother feared that Walt was crazy
\n* That he was too nervous on his honeymoon to consummate the marriage
\n* That he possibly was born in Spain to a woman named Isabelle Zamora (!)
\n* That he abused sleeping pills and drank too much
\n* That, at his 57th birthday party, he hurled whipped cream at guests<\/p>\n

Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. The article may be entirely
\naccurate in all its charges, but it’s interesting to note that
\nit’s illustrated with a picture of Walt’s nephew that’s misidentified
\nas a picture of his (Walt’s) brother.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2861, from jshook, 111 chars, Tue Jun 8 23:07:32 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2860.
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I’m shocked – shocked! – at this revelation. I thought he had stopped
\nhurling whipped cream years before.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2862, from davemackey, 223 chars, Sun Jun 13 23:20:18 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2860.
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\nGee, if he was born in Spain to a woman named Isabelle Zamora, he could have
\nbeen a relative of the late Rudy Zamora, animator for many studios, and
\nI think he was with Disney in the 1930’s.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2863, from hmccracken, 140 chars, Sun Jun 13 23:47:00 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2862.
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\nAnd oddly enough, Rudy Zamora was born in the United States to a woman named
\nIsabelle Disney. I see a pattern developing here…
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2864, from number6, 85 chars, Mon Jun 14 21:02:08 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2863.
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\nDon’t tell me … Disney went to Ford’s Theater and Ford went to see a
\nDisney movie.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2865, from hmccracken, 50 chars, Mon Jun 14 21:35:42 1993
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\nTITLE: Jurassic Park
\nSo, who’s seen it?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2866, from jshook, 1171 chars, Mon Jun 14 23:57:10 1993
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I just saw it this evening. I found it both impressive and sadly
\ndispiriting. I had forgotten my vow (made after “Indiana Jones
\nand the Temple of Doom”) not to subject myself to being trapped in
\nMr. Spielberg’s sensibility for two hours, but the “Jurassic Park”
\nmarketing juggernaut flattened me and I went. I’m sorry I did.
\nThere are some technically astonishing moments in the film. It
\ncertainly sets a new standard for computer animation of living
\ncreatures and their integration into live-action plates. Cut these
\nscenes end-to-end and you have about 8 minutes of fun. What I find
\nso depressing is the unrelenting trashiness and brutality of Mr.
\nSpielberg’s imagination (I suspect there few moments of genuine
\nbeauty and wonder–and there are a few–are due almost entirely
\nto the wizards at ILM). As soon as there is the possibility of any real
\nacknowledgment of just what the prospect of seeing living
\ndinosaurs might have on our imaginations, another monster crashes
\nthrough a window. Turning these animals (as exquisitely rendered
\nby ILM and other artists) into bogeymen in what is basically
\na haunted house film is an act of creative impoverishment.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2867, from ianl, 564 chars, Tue Jun 15 00:05:24 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2866.
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Hmmm. I’m not sure you can fault Spielberg for the basic storyline, since
\nit was written by Crichton (sp?) some time ago. But then, I haven’t read
\nthe book or seen the movie, nor intend to do either in the forseeable future.<\/p>\n

Seeing the clips for the movie, though, keeps reminding me of the scene
\nfrom Tiny Toons where Buster is underground, and this rock wall slides back
\nrevealing a bunch of dinosaurs in an underground paradise. Buster says,
\n“Oooo, how Spielbergian.” A prophetic line, unless perhaps the JP project
\nwas already in the works back then.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2868, from jshook, 382 chars, Tue Jun 15 00:18:31 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2867.
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I guess I am faulting Spielberg for the storyline, because he chose to
\nmake the film. He didn’t have to (except he probably did, considering
\nhis track record).
\nBut even as a piece of slam-bang roller-coaster entertainment, it’s
\nstill ultimately trash. What a waste of talent and technology.
\nThey keep making junk like this because we keep paying to see it.
\nTake the pledge!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2869, from peabo, 78 chars, Tue Jun 15 03:39:47 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2868.
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\nI’ll second the assessment that the novel is pretty bad to start with.<\/p>\n

peter<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2870, from hmccracken, 393 chars, Tue Jun 15 09:06:24 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2866.
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\nI’m sure I’ll see _Jurassic Park_ in order to view the computer animation,
\nbut I see your point about the Spielberg mentality. The only Spielberg-
\ndirected film I’ve seen that pops to mind as a gem is _Empire of the Sun_,
\nhardly a typical example of his art. (I established myself as an
\nunreddemable cynic in the minds of a lot of my friends by having hated
\n_ET_ with a passion.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2871, from switch, 32 chars, Tue Jun 15 17:15:31 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2865.
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\nOn my way in a half-hour.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2872, from switch, 801 chars, Wed Jun 16 09:38:45 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2868.
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\nI just saw it last night; knowing nothing about the story except
\nthe bare essentials (dinosaurs in the present, someone’s going to
\nget eaten) I checked my brain at the door. I was going purely
\nfor effects and some adrenalin rushes. IMHO, it delivered on that,
\nbut I think it was for different reasons than the people who went
\nwith me. I liked (a) the effects which were pretty seamlessly
\nintegrated. Of course, (c) my terror at the prospect of being
\neaten (in large part due to _Jaws_, which I never saw or read —
\nthe picture on the cover of the book was enough) gave the film
\na bit of a keen edge.<\/p>\n

Plot? Nah. Why should I have expected any? It obviously isn’t
\na vehicle for any real story. Characterization? You must be joking.
\nSensitive? It’s a dinosaur film, for crying out loud!<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2873, from switch, 85 chars, Wed Jun 16 09:40:16 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2870.
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\nI never saw ET. Hey, he made millions off my initials and I never
\nsaw a dime.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2874, from ianl, 448 chars, Wed Jun 16 20:27:46 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2872.
\nThere are additional comments to message 2872.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

I you look at the other things Crichton has written (Andromeda Strain,
\nThe Sphere, etc), you’d find that your comments on JP are pretty much
\ntrue to his style: action-packed story with flat characters no complex
\nplot twists. Actually, personally, it’s a style I rather like, at least
\nfor reading material. I hate reading through endless pages of gushy
\ncharacterizations; I wanna know what a character is doing, I generally
\ndon’t care why.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2875, from hmccracken, 438 chars, Wed Jun 16 22:58:42 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2872.
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\nWell, I caught _Jurassic Park_ tonight, a bit sooner than I expected to do it.
\nI guess I liked it: It’s an incredibly lavish, technically perfect theme-
\npark ride. As usual with Spielberg, the action scenes seem more heartfelt
\nsomehow than the sentinment (which is treacly and heavy-handed). But
\nboy, do those dinosaurs look real!<\/p>\n

My friend I saw it with said she much preferred the book; I guess my next
\nstep is to read it.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2876, from hmccracken, 316 chars, Wed Jun 16 23:02:50 1993
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\nTITLE: John K., New Yorker cartoonist
\nThe current issue of _The New Yorker_ has a wonderful color painting by
\nJohn (_Ren and Stimpy_) Kricfalusi of Arnold Schwarzenegger as The Last
\nAction Hero. Say what you will about Tina Brown, she’s made some interesting
\nartistic choices as editor of the magazine.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2877, from hmccracken, 658 chars, Thu Jun 17 10:23:33 1993
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\nTITLE: _The Great Cartoon Directors_
\nDe Capo Press, which has reprinted several animation-themed books in
\nrecent years, has reissued Jeff Lenburg’s _The Great Cartoon Directors_,
\nwhich was originally published by McFarland around eight or nine years
\nago. The new edition has more illustrations and has been updated to
\nsome degree.<\/p>\n

I’ve only glanced at the reissued version, but be forewarned: the original
\nprinting was rife with mistakes and weird critical appraisals. (De Capo’s
\nreprintings of Joe Adamson’s _Tex Avery: King of Cartoons_ and Leslie
\nCarbaga’s _The Fleischer Story_, on the other hand, are must-haves for
\nany animation library.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2878, from hmccracken, 763 chars, Sat Jun 19 12:10:17 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Clinton’s Okay
\nBill Clinton’s Thursday press conference succeeded in its goal of ending his
\nrecent string of political failures — at least in my mnd. At one point
\nduring the conference, Clinton took note of a reporter’s Mickey Mouse necktie,
\ncomplimenting him on it and saying he wished people watching at home could
\nsee it. Then, after the conference had ended, Clinton mysteriously
\nreappeared *wearing* the Mickey Mouse tie.<\/p>\n

Just as Gerald Ford’s presidency’s greatest moment was when he became the
\nfirst President to quote a comic strip character (Pogo) in a major speech,
\nMr. Clinton’s rocky first few months have been redeemed for me by him
\nhaving become the first President to wear a piece of cartoon-character
\nclothing on national TV.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2879, from ianl, 137 chars, Sat Jun 19 12:15:59 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2878.
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I dunno if cartoon apparell forgives all. Wasn’t Agnew rumuored to have
\nworn a Mickey Mouse watch? And look at what a crumb he was.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2880, from hmccracken, 70 chars, Sat Jun 19 13:05:38 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2879.
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\nAgnew wore a Mickey Mouse watch? He’s OK in my book, then.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2881, from ianl, 204 chars, Sat Jun 19 13:47:08 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2880.
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I don’t remember where I first heard that, it could even be an unfounded
\nrumor. But, I was reminded of it yesterday, when a system cookie message
\nmade a joke about Mickey wearing an Agnew watch. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2882, from srider, 245 chars, Sat Jun 19 19:07:36 1993
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\nTITLE: Anime on SF Channel<\/p>\n

The Sci-Fi Channel is running some anime films, apparently. I’m not sure
\nif this is to become standard SAturday evening fare, but as I’ve never seen
\nmost of what they’re offereing it’s should be worth a few looks.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2883, from srider, 97 chars, Sat Jun 19 19:25:23 1993
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\nJust saw the preview; they’re running stuff from Vampire Hunter D, Lensman
\nand Robot Carnival.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2884, from number6, 69 chars, Sat Jun 19 20:30:33 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2883.
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\n“Lensman” I haven’t seen. Is that based on the Gray Lensman series?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2885, from srider, 209 chars, Sat Jun 19 21:13:56 1993
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\nThey’re showing the complete films, as far as I can tell. It’s slated to
\nbe on again starting 5pm EDT Sunday.<\/p>\n

So far, Lensman appears to be based somewhat on the original E.E. “Doc”
\nSmith Lensman books.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2886, from jshook, 159 chars, Sat Jun 19 23:42:22 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2878.
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“…the first President to wear a piece of cartoon-character clothing
\non national TV.”<\/p>\n

I dunno… I always figured *anything* Reagan wore would qualify…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2887, from switch, 89 chars, Sun Jun 20 13:11:19 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2885.
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\n“Somewhat” being the operative word. More than a few liberties
\nhave been taken…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2888, from davemackey, 837 chars, Sun Jun 20 20:52:31 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2875.
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\nI caved in and threw away my dissenting vote amongst a group of movie-hungry
\nfriends and saw “Jurassic Park” last night. I can tell you that the effects
\nand computer technology can make for outstanding films. But they can’t stand
\nalone. The subplots (Neill and Dern’s relationship with Neill’s dislike of
\nchildren standing in the way of her wanting a baby) added nothing, and the
\nyoung boy character got positively grating after an hour or so. But I think
\nthe movie does what it wants to do — comes as close as ever to an accurate
\nsimulation of how dinos really existed — and I think the ILM people owe a
\nhuge debt of thanks to the pioneers of special effects (Willis O’Brien, Ray
\nHarryhausen, et.al.), and a big big thank you to Winsor McCay for making a
\ndinosaur a movie attraction in the first place
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2889, from hmccracken, 290 chars, Sun Jun 20 23:24:33 1993
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\nI wonder if that scene in which Hammonf stands by the introductory DNA
\nmovie and interacts with it was a tribute to McCay’s similar interaction
\nwith Gertie? (Which reminds me that you can make the case that Gertie
\nthe Dinosaur was the first multimedia presentation of them all!)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2890, from jshook, 140 chars, Sun Jun 20 23:27:13 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2888.
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I agree about the character of the little boy. I found myself rather
\nhoping that Laura Dern would manage to throw that switch in time…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2891, from hmccracken, 790 chars, Mon Jun 21 01:09:13 1993
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\nTITLE: Happy Birthday, Mr. Hirschfeld!
\nNinety years ago today, Al Hirschfeld was born. Sixty-eight years ago, his
\ninitial work appeared in the _New York Times_, and the art of caricature has
\nnever been the same since. Hirschfeld’s eloquently simple style —
\nas imitated as that of any artist of the century, but never equalled —
\nhas only improved over the decades, and it’s difficult to imagine what
\nBroadway would be like without his drawings each week to illuminate it.
\nAlthough I’ve been told that Hirschfeld doesn’t consider himself a cartoonist,
\nhe certainly merits appreciation here — both for the quality of his work
\nand the fact that he’s been at it so long — since before there was a Mickey
\nMouse, come to think of it.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2892, from davemackey, 314 chars, Mon Jun 21 19:06:01 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2891.
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\nNobody can draw the stars of the Broadway stage like Al Hirschfeld, and
\nit’s heartening to see this tribute to him. As a matter of fact, if I’m
\nnot mistaken, there is animation of Hirschfeld’s work. I think TNT has
\nanimated bumpers on one of its movie presentations during the day.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2893, from hmccracken, 14 chars, Mon Jun 21 21:11:53 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2892.
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\n\ud83d\ude09
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2894, from davemackey, 127 chars, Tue Jun 22 22:10:48 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2893.
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\nBut it took me two days to figure out that you did the same thing in your
\noriginal message. \ud83d\ude42
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2895, from davemackey, 312 chars, Tue Jun 22 22:10:55 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2889.
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\nIt definitely smacked of the kind of introductory film they would show at a
\nDisney theme park before you go into the studio tour, or say Epcot Center.
\nThat was one of the more charming sequences of the film, since it got lots of
\nexpository material out of the way in a big hurry.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2896, from hmccracken, 165 chars, Tue Jun 22 22:59:08 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2894.
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\nSpeaking of Hirschfeld, there’s a great little piece on him and a self-
\nportrait in the new New Yorker. Much nicer than the Times’ own tribute
\nlast week.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2897, from hmccracken, 1734 chars, Mon Jun 28 00:34:48 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Animation Art Gallery Hits Boston
\nAnimation art galleries are a rapidly-expanding sector of the art biz — they
\nmust number in the hundreds now, up from a few dozen at most a few years ago —
\nand Boston finally has one of its own. Royal Animated Arts Gallery, located
\non toney Newbury Street (at no. 166), offers mainly limited-edition cels
\n(as opposed to production art): stuff from Warner Bros., Disney, Hanna-
\nBarbera and other studios. Prices range from $400 or so to several thousand.<\/p>\n

Today, they hosted Fleischer animator Myron Waldman, who sketched and chatted
\nwith fans and collectors; I’ll post news of other events when and if they
\nhappen.<\/p>\n

Two notes on the place and animation-art collecting in general, both having
\nto do with questions of historical authenticity: first, I noted that Hanna-Barbera’s
\ncels, which usually are of large crowd scenes of H-B characters, now include
\nTex Avery’s Red Hot Riding Hood. While she now shares a common owner with
\nthe H-B gang (Ted Turner), she isn’t an H-B character. (Although she may
\nhave appeared in H-B’s _Tom and Jerry Kids_ — does anyone know for sure?)<\/p>\n

Secondly, be aware that signatures on a cel, increasingly, mean nothing.
\nThe gallery is full of pieces signed by artists who had little or nothing
\nto do with the characters on the cel — let alone the question of whether or
\nnot they drew the particular piece of art in question. Be careful, too,
\nto establish exactly what a piece is before purchasing — some of the identifications
\nin this particular gallery were so vague that it was not clear if the piece
\nwas done fifty years ago or last week. I’m not ragging on Royal specifically;
\nthis is a problem with animation-art merchants in general.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2898, from pwirtz, 177 chars, Sat Jul 3 18:24:25 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2854.
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\nDornan is the Rep for part of Anahiem including Disneyland, but Orange County
\nis larger than several of our smallest states and so has many congresscritters.<\/p>\n

|||||paul|||||<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2899, from hmccracken, 458 chars, Mon Jul 5 21:31:01 1993
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\nTITLE: Yesterday’s _New York Times_…
\n…had an excellent article on Marc Davis, Ward Kimball, Ollie Johnston, and
\nFrank Thomas, the four remaining of Disney’s “Nine Old Men” who were key
\nanimators on the Disney films from the mid-1930s until the mid 1970s.<\/p>\n

(Long-time followers of this conference will be interested to know that
\nthe article — in the _Times_, yet — refers to “101 Dalmations,” as
\ndoes _Walt Disney: Hollywood’s Dark Prince_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2900, from hmccracken, 316 chars, Tue Jul 6 12:12:19 1993
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Just a reminder…
\nthat every Tuesday at 10pm eastern time, we gather in animation\/cbix
\nfor discussion of animation, comics and related topics — though
\nbasically, we’re just getting together to shoot the breeze. It’s
\na great place to check out if you have a burning cartoon-related
\nquestion, too!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2901, from hmccracken, 307 chars, Tue Jul 6 16:11:32 1993
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\nTITLE: Daffy Goes Green
\nYesterday I caught an environmentally-themed public service message
\non TV, starring Daffy Duck. I need to keep an eye out for it again,
\nsince the animation looked really nice — better than those Nike
\n(or is it Reebok?) ads with Bugs Bunny. Has anyone seen this spot?
\n— Harry
\n.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2902, from hmccracken, 485 chars, Wed Jul 14 09:59:02 1993
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\nTITLE: Disney bows to Aladdin critics
\nArab-American groups had criticized the Disney cartoon _Aladdin_ for
\nincluding anti-Arabic caricatures and some song lyrics which
\nstereotyped Arabic attitudes. The groups won a victory this week:
\nwhen _Aladdin_ comes out on video in October, two lines in a song
\nwhich referred to people in Aladdin’s home cutting off your ears
\nif they didn’t like you will be edited out. Another line — “It’s
\nbarbaric, but it’s home” — will remain.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2903, from mscoville, 172 chars, Thu Jul 15 20:54:26 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Help!!!
\nDoes anyone have any information about an animated film titled the Little Princess? I hope someone can shed some light
\nabout this film. Thankyou Mike & Pam<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2904, from hmccracken, 165 chars, Thu Jul 15 21:14:48 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2903.
\nThere are additional comments to message 2903.
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\nI haven’t heard of that film, Mike and Pam (I’ll do some research), but it’s
\ngood to see you back! Anyone else know anything about _The Little Princess_?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2905, from switch, 86 chars, Thu Jul 15 21:33:30 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2903.
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\nWelcome back, Mike & Pam! As for the film, do you know anything but
\nthe title?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2906, from hmccracken, 665 chars, Mon Jul 19 09:09:49 1993
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Disney in the Times
\nIf you still have a copy of yesterday’s _New York Times_ on the coffee table,
\ndon’t throw it out — there are two interesting Disney-related articles
\ninside. One is a piece on Euro Disneyland, which is not nearly as popular
\nso far as predictions had it (it’s hard to appeal to an audience made up
\nof speakers of many different languages). The park is losing a great deal
\nof money and may have to postpone expansion plans.<\/p>\n

The other piece is a review of Marc Eliot’s biography of Walt Disney,
\nwhich casts a doubtful eye on Eliot’s claims that Walt was a
\nJew-hating, alcoholic pill-popper with few if any redeeming qualities.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2907, from davemackey, 226 chars, Mon Jul 19 21:23:12 1993
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Happy Belated Birthday…
\n…to William Hanna, elder half of the Hanna-Barbera team, who turned
\neighty-three years young last Wednesday. (Joe Barbera’s 83rd birthday is
\nearly next year.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2908, from mscoville, 289 chars, Wed Jul 21 20:09:21 1993
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Little Princess
\nWell, the title is all that we know at this time. We are trying to get further information, but it is hard. We thought
\nwe would challenge the experts. It may also have a different title, will let you know. In the mean time, thanks for any<\/p>\n

and all help. Pam & Mike<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2909, from davemackey, 176 chars, Thu Jul 22 08:39:08 1993
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Another happy belated birthday…
\n…to Jon Lovitz, star of the forthcoming “The Critic” animated primetime
\nseries, who turned 36 yesterday. –Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2910, from davemackey, 656 chars, Fri Jul 30 21:28:51 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Meet the Animators!
\nThe TNT Collectible Show in Tampa on August 21 will feature a couple of
\nanimators folks may know: Ken Mitchroney, who’s worked on “Ren And
\nStimpy,” “Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles” and “Tiny Toon Adventures”, and
\nRobert Little, who rendered backgrounds for the Fleischer and Paramount
\ncartoon studios for over thirty years.
\nThe show, which runs from 10 to 5, is at the Holiday Inn at 4600 Cypress
\nStreet. For more information, call (813) 932-0494. Admission is $2.50.
\nThis show was also to have featured Spanky McFarland of “Our Gang” fame,
\nwho unfortunately passed away a few weeks ago.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2911, from davemackey, 873 chars, Tue Aug 3 20:36:57 1993
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Mona Lisa’s Sister: The Casper Connection
\nIt’s moved on the newswires that there is a second Mona Lisa painting,
\nlooking very much like the one that hangs in the Louvre, in a bank vault in
\nNew Jersey.
\nThe wire stories have noted that eight cousins of the Vernon family of
\nMadison, New Jersey, jointly own this painting, and while some believe that
\nit wasn’t really DaVinci but in his style or of the same period, the Vernons
\ncite Seymour Reit as a reference.
\nSEYMOUR REIT? The guy who created “Casper The Friendly Ghost” and wrote
\nfor “Mad” magazine? Yes, him. Mr. Reit wrote a book in 1981 called “The Day
\nThey Stole The Mona Lisa”, and in it, Reit notes that “the second and more
\nprestigious of these is the familiar belle of Paris. Her obscure younger
\nsister, the original version, is reposing in a vault in New Jersey.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2912, from davemackey, 425 chars, Tue Aug 3 20:37:36 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2897.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nSorry for the belated reply on this: The Girl from the old M-G-M cartoons is
\nindeed a character on “Tom And Jerry Kids Show.” Her character name is Lolly
\nVavoom and her voice is performed by Teresa Ganzel, whom you may remember as
\nthe beautiful young studio owner Sherry Winkler on “The Duck Factory.” Lolly
\nshows up most frequently (and to best effect) in the “Droopy And Dripple”
\nsubseries.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2913, from hmccracken, 178 chars, Tue Aug 3 22:00:49 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2912.
\nThere are additional comments to message 2912.
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\nIck. I think I’ll try to miss it (and any other “girl” appearances not animated
\nby Preston Blair. And her name is “The Girl” or Red, not Lolly Vavoom.
\n— Traditionalist Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2914, from number6, 69 chars, Wed Aug 4 19:19:12 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2912.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTG was also Johnny Carson’s second TeaTime Lady after Carol Connors.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2915, from grekel, 119 chars, Thu Aug 5 22:56:00 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2914.
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\numm, I believe Johnny’s next-to-las TeaTime gal was Carol Wayne.
\nDid I read that she was killed a couple of years ago?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2916, from number6, 204 chars, Fri Aug 6 19:00:35 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2915.
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\nYep, right, Carol Wayne. Where did I get Carol Connors from? Anyway,
\nI saw a picture of Wayne not too long ago in a magazine (or was it
\nEntertainment Tonight?), with the news of a new modelling career.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2917, from davemackey, 208 chars, Sat Aug 7 12:25:18 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2910.
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\nSpanky McFarland will be replaced as special guest at this show by another
\none of the Little Rascals, Dorothy “My heart is filled with joy, I want to
\nrip my pants” DeBorba. \ud83d\ude09
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2918, from davemackey, 612 chars, Sat Aug 7 14:59:38 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2916.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nYou can’t possibly have seen news of a Carol Wayne comeback in a magazine
\nrecently since she drowned in 1985. (When she was a regular on “Celebrity
\nSweepstakes,” co-panelist Shecky Greene once remarked “she’ll never drown” in
\nreference to her large chest. How ironic.)
\nCarol Connors was briefly the lady who introduced Chuck Barris on “The
\nGong Show” back in the late 1970’s, but very much in the Carol Wayne mode:
\nbleached blonde hair and huge breasts. Ms. Connors was also a star of
\npornographic films.
\n(Not to be confused with the songwriter Carol Connors, however.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2919, from number6, 80 chars, Sun Aug 8 05:05:16 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2918.
\nThere are additional comments to message 2918.
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\nI stand corrected. Hm…who did I see, then? I’ve never been good with
\nnames.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2920, from grekel, 83 chars, Sun Aug 8 11:19:11 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2918.
\n————————–
\n>…songwriter Carol Connors…<\/p>\n

not to be confused with actor Carol O’Connor? \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2921, from hmccracken, 474 chars, Wed Aug 11 14:34:46 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Barney in the News
\nOK, he’s not animated, but this conference is still probably the most
\nappropriate one on BIX to cover Barney in. The infamous purple
\ndinosaur of PBS fame is covered in two entertaining articles in
\ncurrent magazines: a piece on bootleg Barney merchandise in
\nMedia Week, and one on Barney merchandising in general in
\nBusiness Week. The Business Week article is amusingly titled
\n“Don’t You Just Want To Knock the Stuffing Out Of Barney.”
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2922, from hmccracken, 425 chars, Wed Aug 11 14:36:47 1993
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\nTITLE: Kermit Is In Good Hands
\nThe current _New Yorker_ has a lengthy and interesting article on
\nthe fate of the Muppets after the death of Jim Henson in 1990.
\nHenson’s children stepped in to run the company, and apparently it’s
\nflourishing in both the artistic and financial departments. The
\narticle also covers the ill-fated purchase of Henson Associates by
\nDisney, which unraveled after Jim Henson passed away.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2923, from hkenner, 347 chars, Wed Aug 11 20:34:25 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Movie drop
\nA few days ago I read an article (in NY Times?) that I now can’t find.
\nIt offered figures for a catastrophic year, maybe around 1953, when movie
\ngoing suddenly dropped 50%. That is pertinent to this conf. because the drop in weekly movie going was what ended the
\nweekly cartoon. Can someone point
\nme to the missing data?
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2924, from hmccracken, 654 chars, Wed Aug 11 20:49:24 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2923.
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\nGee, I didn’t see the article, but I’d love to get more information. The
\nyear sounds about right — that was roughly when Disney ceased production
\nof short cartoons, followed over the next few years by MGM, Warner, and
\nmost of the other studios. And the theatrical short, I believe, was
\nthe best format that ever existed for animation: it gave the studios a
\nmedia in which they could experiment with new characters, refine old ones,
\nmake false starts, and experiment, all without over-exposing their
\ncharacters. Quite different from TV, where an idea often is either turned
\ninto a 65-episode series or else never gets off the ground at all.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2925, from hmccracken, 685 chars, Wed Aug 11 20:54:00 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Old Joe to become extinct?
\nCartoon characters have been disliked, made fun of, and disapproved-of before —
\nbut I don’t think anyone’s ever tried to *outlaw* one. Until now, that is —
\ntoday’s _Wall Street Journal_ reports that the FTC is trying to outlaw the
\nCamel cigarette ads that feature Old Joe, the brand’s hip camel mascot, who
\ngenerally seems to have a pool cue in one hand, one or more blondes on each
\narm — and, of course, a cigarette between his lips. The theory is that these
\nads appeal to children and make them more likely to take up smoking. (A survey
\nallegedly proved that the three-to-six set identified Joe as easily as they
\ndid Mickey Mouse.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2926, from nicolas, 235 chars, Thu Aug 12 05:17:27 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2921.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nThe article in BusinessWeek finally brought all these strange
\nBarney messages on Internet in to perspective. As a non-US person I
\nwas flabbergasted although I had a bit of an idea what it ws
\nabout.
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2927, from hmccracken, 104 chars, Thu Aug 12 17:12:39 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2926.
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\nNico, Barney is one American export that the Netherlands should keep
\nout if at all possible!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2928, from jshook, 154 chars, Thu Aug 12 23:12:55 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2926.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

I *am* a US person, and I completely fail to understand the appeal
\nof this inane reptile. I can’t wait for “Jurassic Park II: Barney
\nTakes a Holiday.”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2929, from jshook, 289 chars, Thu Aug 12 23:16:41 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2925.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

I remember hearing about that survey quite a while ago. There was a
\nboycott Camel movement in response, but don’t know how that’s fared.<\/p>\n

Then there is the controversy with respect to Old Joe’s peculiar
\nresemblance to a portion of the anatomy of the male members of
\nanother species….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2930, from nicolas, 555 chars, Fri Aug 13 03:15:58 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2927.
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\nWell, seeing that the shops are getting saturated with Jurassic Park
\nstuff (the movie doesn’t open here till September 30th) I don’t see
\nwhere they could put any Barney stuff. Besides, Barney isn’t on TV or
\nany other media here so there is no interest.<\/p>\n

The dutch have no history of going into the deep end about
\nmerchandising. Batman stuff was available in major quantities. It
\nnever caught on. The same goes a bit less for Teenage Mutant
\nNinja Turtle stuff. Cabbage Patch Dolls (remember those) became
\nextinct here.
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2931, from nicolas, 86 chars, Fri Aug 13 03:16:08 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2928.
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\nHm, T-rex v Barney. Tickets to be sold soon. \ud83d\ude42
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2932, from hmccracken, 1174 chars, Sun Aug 15 00:52:17 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Frozen Treats
\nHere in the animation conference, we do a good job of keeping you informed
\nof what’s new in the worlds of comics and cartoons, but it’s always bothered
\nme that we generally do nothing to ensure that our members are eating well.<\/p>\n

No longer. I recently bought, at an antique store in Alabama, a copy of
\n_The Cartoonist Cookbook_, a 1966 volume that collects recipes by famous
\ncartoonists including Mort Walker, Dik Browne, Neal Adams, Lee Falk,
\nLeonard Starr, Al Capp, and others.<\/p>\n

Here is one recipe from the book: the favorite vanilla ice cream recipe of
\nHarold Gray, the late creator of that beloved blank-eyed youngster
\nLittle Orphan Annie.<\/p>\n

VANILLA ICE CREAM
\n4 egg yolks 3 cups milk, scalded
\n3\/4 cup sugar 1 1\/2 cups heavy cream, warmed
\n1\/4 teaspoon salt 1 tablespoon vanilla<\/p>\n

Beat egg yolks. Add sugar and salt and mix well. Stir in scalded milk
\nslowly. Cook over simmering, not boiling, water until mixture coats a
\nspoon. Cool. train. Add cream and vanilla. Freeze in ice cream
\nfreezer.<\/p>\n

When you’ve all made and enjoyed this recipe, let me know; I’ll post another
\nrecipe. Perhaps Virgil Partch’s swiss canapes?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2933, from davemackey, 279 chars, Sun Aug 15 14:09:46 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2921.
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\nThe Barney controversy — whether or not he should play to kids during pledge
\nbreaks — is going to be coming up for review again: Channel 13 in New York
\njust began its summer pledge drive (which one of our local TV columnists
\ndubbed “begathon”).
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2934, from switch, 827 chars, Sun Aug 15 22:24:49 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: ‘toons in music
\nI’m working on an article for the fourth issue of _fps_ on music in animation.
\nWell, that’s not true. I’m actually working on the sidebar on animation in
\nmusic, and maybe another on music videos. Anyway, I could use some help from
\nour conference members. Can anyone name songs that have cartoon references or
\ninfluences? For instance, there’s the Alpha Team techno remix of _Speed
\nRacer_, Pop Will Eat Itself’s constant references to cartoon characters and
\nsamples from cartoons, and Skinny Puppy’s use of Warner Bros. samples in their
\nwork. Also, can anyone name music videos that have substantial amounts of
\nanimation, like a-ha’s “Take on Me”, Paula Abdul’s “Opposites Attract”, or
\nSting’s “Love is the Seventh Wave”? If you know them, animator credits and\/or
\nanecdotes would be nice too.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2935, from grekel, 361 chars, Mon Aug 16 22:15:33 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2934.
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\nIf you include types of animation other than traditional cel, you
\ncan certainly include Todd Rundgren (computer), Peter Gabriel
\n(“live” animation, strata-clay animation and now computer
\nanimation), Def Leppard (computer)…
\nlessee… I think I have a tape of an old “Night Tracks”
\ndevoted to animation. I can dig it up if you want. It’s probably
\nten years old.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2936, from davemackey, 109 chars, Tue Aug 17 05:14:20 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2934.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nWe had a discussion of this ilk before, beginning in animation\/tie.ins #213.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2937, from jgoddin, 63 chars, Tue Aug 17 08:40:40 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2932.
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\nSounds wonderful. I will have to try that one! Yes, post more!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2938, from jgoddin, 119 chars, Tue Aug 17 08:42:13 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2936.
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\nAnyone here besides me going to attend Comic Con in San
\nDiego August 19-22?? If so, perhaps we can do a BIX Bash.
\nJean<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2939, from hmccracken, 472 chars, Tue Aug 17 09:04:27 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2938.
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\nI *wish* I was going to attend — I’ve been twice, and it’s a real
\ntreat. Lots and lots of interesting guests (and not just whoever’s
\ndrawing _Spider Man_ this month, but comic strip artists, animators,
\nand others from all over the world) attend, and the dealer’s
\nroom is huge and incredible. But I’m not going this year. I’m shooting
\nto attend again in ’94.<\/p>\n

Anyone who is within any sort of reasonable distance of San Diego
\nshould definitely make the trip!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2940, from switch, 77 chars, Tue Aug 17 21:45:24 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2935.
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\nI do include those. Please do dig up the tape, it sounds interesting.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2941, from switch, 81 chars, Tue Aug 17 21:46:33 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2938.
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\nI wish I could, but I certainly can’t afford a trip like that. Someday…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2942, from jshook, 821 chars, Wed Aug 18 00:01:17 1993
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I recently saw a music video animated by the Quay Brothers. The artiste
\nwas Michael Penn and the song was called something like “Long Way Down.”<\/p>\n

A band called “Suzy and the Redstripes” (which was really Linda McCartney
\nand assorted other musicians) did a video about 10 years ago called
\nsomething like “Seaside Woman.” It was animated by a British studio
\nwhose name escapes me at the moment. I saw this at one of the Ottawa
\nfestivals and nowhere else. Paul n’ Linda were purportedly working on an
\nanimated feature with this same mystery studio, but as far as I know it
\nhas never surfaced. I believe the animator may have been Grillo.<\/p>\n

Perhaps the Cars’ “You Might Think” would fall within your purview. This
\nwas done at Charlex in New York, and was one of the most complex effects
\nbuilds ever done at that time.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2943, from grekel, 2577 chars, Wed Aug 18 01:36:29 1993
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\nOkay. Here are the highlights from a couple of “Night Flight”
\nshows featuring animation, vintage 1982-84:<\/p>\n

“Harlem Shuffle” by The Rolling Stones
\npartially cel animation directed by Bakshi.<\/p>\n

“I Can’t Wait” by Nu Shooz, featuring some early cutout and cycled
\nanimations from Jim Blashfield.<\/p>\n

“Underground” by David Bowie, directed by Steve Barron and mixing
\nlive action with some white-on-black scratchy line drawing
\ncartoons, some roto, featuring characters from the movie “Labyrinth.”<\/p>\n

“Love is the Drug” by Grace Jones. Some tripped out video effects
\nand animation by directors Forrest & Tilley.<\/p>\n

“Surrender Your Heart” by Missing Persons, with plenty of
\npsychedelic color-cycling computer art by Peter Max.<\/p>\n

“The People Livin’ in the USA” by Randy Andy is made up almost
\nentirely of pixilation — kind of a time-lapse in film.<\/p>\n

“Adventures In Success” by “Will Powers” (actually a consortium of
\nartists, produced by Rundgren), directed by Rebecca Allen, shows
\ncel animation of a 50’s style as well as a smattering of early
\n3-D computer work.<\/p>\n

“Atomic Dog” by George Clinton — limited 2D computer animation and
\ncolor cycling.<\/p>\n

“My Mind Have Still I” by What Is This, directed by Wayne Isham. A
\nmix of “live” animation and xerox animation.<\/p>\n

“New Frontier” by Donald Fagen of Steely Dan fame. A great track
\ninterspersed with some stylish “atomic-age” cel animation.<\/p>\n

“It’s a Man’s World” by The Residents. These are the guys who wear
\ngiant eyeballs over their heads. Need I say more?<\/p>\n

“Yolanda You Learn” by Pat Metheny, directed by Muir and Huntley,
\nis a lot of 2D computer roto work. Very colorful and active.<\/p>\n

“Individual Choice” by Jean Luc Ponty, made up mostly of timelapse
\ncityscapes (sort of animation, isn’t it?) by director Louis
\nSchwartzberg.<\/p>\n

finally, “Renaissance Man” by Jamaaldeen Tacuma, directed by John
\nSanborn. This video blows me away because Sanborn is able to
\nmaintain image quality over tens of generations of digital effects
\npasses (ADO geometry), back when 1″ analog tape was in its infancy.
\nShows a lot of painstaking care not only to maintain that quality,
\nbut to keep track of all the motion paths and timings. This show
\nis the only place I’ve seen the video — an instrumental.<\/p>\n

More recently, Michael Jackson (even back to the later “Jacksons”
\nvideos) has pushed the envelope of animation: 3D computer in
\nthe closing scenes of “Moonwalker”, claymation in “Speed Demon”,
\nCutout animation in “Leave Me Alone”, morphing in “Black or White”
\nand particle animation in “Do You Remember the Time.”<\/p>\n

Hope this helps (or at least makes you nostalgic…)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2944, from hmccracken, 371 chars, Wed Aug 18 09:12:22 1993
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\nI liked “Seaside Woman,” which I think was indeed done by Grillo.
\nPaul McCartney is of course a legendary cartoon nut, who also
\nproduced a cartoon short that ran with his unfortunate autobiographical
\nfeature _Give My Regards to Broad Street_. The cartoon, which was
\nactually pretty good, was based on the long-running British comic
\nfeature “Rupert the Bear.”
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2945, from hmccracken, 167 chars, Wed Aug 18 09:14:07 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2943.
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\nIf the show featured “The Harlem Shuffle,” it’s actually of more
\nrecent origin than 1982-1983, Greg: that video was released, I
\nbelieve, in 1986 or 1987.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2946, from hmccracken, 287 chars, Wed Aug 18 09:28:09 1993
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\nTITLE: Thank You…
\nto everyone who attended last night’s CBIX session, and our apologies
\nfor BIX’s erratic behavior, which meant that folks kept dropping out
\nof CBIX against their own free will. Fortunately, such technical
\nglitches are a pretty rare event on BIX these days.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2947, from switch, 74 chars, Thu Aug 19 08:19:37 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2944.
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\nAnd Nelvana now produces the Rupert TV series. Has anyone seen it?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2948, from switch, 227 chars, Thu Aug 19 08:23:41 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2943.
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\nNostalgic is right. I used to tape music videos in the early 80s, but
\nerased my tape because they had such heavy rotation I figured they’d always
\nbe around. Now, of course, it’s next to impossible to get half of them.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2949, from davemackey, 158 chars, Fri Aug 20 04:45:43 1993
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\nTITLE: You say it’s your birthday
\nHappy Birthday on Saturday to the one and only Friz Freleng, who is turning
\n87 years young!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2950, from davemackey, 214 chars, Mon Aug 23 19:18:10 1993
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\nTITLE: Back page news…
\nHeadline on the back page of today’s New York Post, detailing how Melido
\nPerez’ pitching couldn’t quite win a game for the Yankees yesterday: “MEL
\nBLANKED”.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2951, from hshubs, 450 chars, Thu Aug 26 21:06:03 1993
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\nTITLE: Anime-related CDs
\nJust picked up a CD named “Tex Avery” last night. I can’t seem to find
\nany references to it here. Doesn’t anyone else have it?<\/p>\n

I’m a guy who picks up anime-related CDs when I see them. So far, my
\nfavorite is “The Music of Raymond Scott: Reckless Nights and Turkish
\nTwilights”, though I also have “The Raymond Scott Project, vol 1”.
\nI like the cleaner result from the former, rather than the “live” version
\nof the latter.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2952, from switch, 210 chars, Thu Aug 26 21:34:10 1993
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\nI haven’t picked up the Avery CD yet, though I’d like to review it for
\n_fps_ #4 — got any ordering info?<\/p>\n

My “Raymond Scott Project” practically lives in my CD player — I’m
\nanxiously awaiting volume 2.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2953, from hshubs, 107 chars, Thu Aug 26 22:00:47 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2952.
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\nWell, I picked it up at Tower Records in Boston, so you could probably order
\nit via their mail order side.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2954, from hmccracken, 241 chars, Thu Aug 26 22:32:16 1993
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\nSo where in the Boston area did you get the Raymond Scott CDs, Howard?
\nI’ve seen the Tex Avery one for sale at Tower Records, but was disappointed
\nby the material being from later Avery films, rather than his great 1940s
\ncartoons.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2955, from davemackey, 499 chars, Fri Aug 27 03:45:57 1993
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\nHoward, I haven’t seen the “Tex Avery” album anywhere, but can vouch for “The
\nMusic Of Raymond Scott.” It is a top-notch collection.
\nIt’s about time someone committed the music of Scott Bradley to disc,
\nthough. I’ve long been of the opinion that we should not immmediately
\ndiscard any other cartoon musical director’s work because he isn’t Carl W.
\nStalling. I’d love to see similar tribute paid to Bradley, Darrell Calker,
\nFrank Churchill, and Winston Sharples.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2956, from hshubs, 61 chars, Fri Aug 27 11:06:52 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2954.
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\nYou got it: Tower Records. “Powerhouse” is excellant, IMHO.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2957, from sharonfisher, 90 chars, Fri Aug 27 13:10:53 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2955.
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\nYes. When I saw the Stalling disc, I thought, great, but I’d rather see
\none for Bradley.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2958, from jgoddin, 464 chars, Fri Aug 27 21:34:44 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2939.
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\nPerhaps we can plan ahead! As a Pro (artist, program participant,
\nanimator, colorist, etc.) if you apply for a membership ahead you
\nwould not have to pay for a membership. They let you know if you
\ndon’t qualify. If you want more info or info on purchasing regular
\nmemberships let me know.
\nNext year is the 25th one and the folks in charge
\nplan on doing a few extra special things too.
\nIf you would like a mini-review of this year’s event
\nI will post one. Jean<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2959, from hmccracken, 209 chars, Sat Aug 28 09:39:16 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2958.
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\nIt’ll probably make me jealous, but please post a review of the con.
\nUnfortunately, I don’t think I can get in as a Pro, unless I can
\nsomehow convince them that working for _InfoWorld_ makes me one.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2960, from hmccracken, 1601 chars, Sun Aug 29 11:23:05 1993
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\nTITLE: _Walt in Wonderland_…
\nby Russell Merritt and J.B. Kaufman (Edizioni Biblioteca dell’Immagine)
\nis a wonderful book on the earliest years of Walt Disney’s career, up
\nuntil the creation of Mickey Mouse and the birth of the sound era.
\nDisney’s silent cartoons — including the “Alice” series (which combined
\nlive action and animation) and the Oswald the Rabbit one (which led
\ndirectly to Mickey) are usually covered only briefly in books about
\nthe studio. Kaufman and Merritt have unearthed a tremendous amount
\nof new information, complemented it with thoughtful commentary, and
\nillustrated it with dozens of photographs and drawings I’ve never seen
\nbefore.<\/p>\n

As the publisher’s name suggests, this book was published in Italy, and
\nis in Italian. Fortunately for those of us who don’t read Italian, it’s
\nalso in English — the left-hand pages hold the English text and the
\nright-hand ones the Italian. Once you get used to the system, it’s easy
\nto deal with, and might even be an entertaining way for a cartoon fan to
\nlearn Italian.<\/p>\n

The other possible stumbling block for those interested in the book is
\nits price. I bought it at a local showing (at Harvard) of silent Disney
\ncartoons, where it was $40. That’s a lot, but the book is an oversized,
\ncoffee table-style paperback on good paper, and even though only half
\nof its 240 pages are devoted to the English text, what’s there is easily
\nworth forty bucks.<\/p>\n

The Whole Toon Catalog also offers the book, but I think it’s at a
\nhigher price. Does anyone out there have a current Whole Toon Catalog
\nthey can quote the price from?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2961, from switch, 35 chars, Sun Aug 29 12:02:12 1993
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\nRight here, Harry — $49.95.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2962, from hmccracken, 68 chars, Sun Aug 29 17:44:09 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2961.
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\nIt’s a respectable buy at that price, too. Thanks, Emru!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2963, from hkenner, 539 chars, Mon Sep 6 15:04:21 1993
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\nTITLE: News item
\nAtlanta Journal\/Constitution, 9-6-93, page D2.<\/p>\n

Tim Grandia of Atlanta was one of just 30 applicants chosen for the
\nRingling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Clown College that began
\nrecently at Circus World Museum in Baraboo, Wis. Grandia will
\nundergo two months of instruction–including guest lectures by the
\nlikes of performance artist Bill Irwin and animator Chuck Jones–and
\ntake courses in everything from improvisation to stilt-walking.
\n“Clown College is the boot camp for the circus,” course director
\nSteve Smith said.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2964, from davemackey, 454 chars, Thu Sep 9 14:48:14 1993
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\nTITLE: Rock Of The Week
\nTo Bill Barnett, head of Children’s Satellite Network (Radio Aahs), for
\nwhat is decidedly an anti-cartoon attitude.
\nComments made in August 2, 1993 issue of “Broadcasting” on the order
\nof “(advertising on Radio Aahs is) a great alternative to buying
\nthings like cartoons” and “there is no reason why education can’t be
\nentertaining, and we do it without goofy cartoon characters.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2965, from hmccracken, 1142 chars, Mon Sep 13 13:05:32 1993
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\nTITLE: Opus n’ Bill do Windows
\nLater this month, Delrina will ship a screen saver that people are
\ngoing to either love or hate: the Opus ‘n Bill Screen Saver for
\nWindows (a Mac version is also available). It’s a product that
\ndoes an extremely good job of bringing Berke Breathed’s Bloom
\nCounty and Outland characters to the computer screen, with
\nextremely slick, faithful animations that pop up to save your
\nmonitor from burn-in during periods of disuse.<\/p>\n

The package ships with sixteen animations, and I won’t spoil them by
\ntrying to describe them, except to say that most are twisted and a
\nlittle gross — just like _Outland_. Don’t tell my mother, but most
\nof them made me laugh. (One, involving Bill Gates, will make any
\nright-thinking computer junkie chuckle, I think.)<\/p>\n

If you love _Outland_, you’ll love the screen saver. Delrina is also
\ngoing to be introducing a Screen Saver Club, which will offer
\nquarterly updates with five new animations apiece.<\/p>\n

Breathed, by the way, closely supervised the devleopment of the
\nproduct, providing the drawings that were turned into animations
\nand recording the sound effects himself.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2966, from l.wallace, 111 chars, Tue Sep 14 17:00:18 1993
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\nTITLE: FLIC to single frames
\nDOes anyone know of any utility to convert a flic anim to a series of frames?
\nLou<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2967, from jshook, 467 chars, Tue Sep 14 20:16:38 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2966.
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The version of Autodesk Animator I have (actually I have just received the
\nnewest version but have not installed it yet) has a utility built in called
\n“numpic” that will let you do this. This was not part of the original
\ndistribution but came with an interim update package a while ago. After
\ninstallation “numpic” automatically gets added to one of the menus (I forget
\nwhich one). This may be standard with the 1.3 upgrade (the one I have not
\ninstalled yet).<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2968, from hshubs, 75 chars, Sun Sep 19 01:44:20 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2965.
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\nBut does anyone love _Outland_? I’d prefer mid-life Bloom County, myself.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2969, from hmccracken, 197 chars, Sun Sep 19 11:44:13 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2968.
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\nI *like* Outland, although it’s certainly no where near as good as Bloom
\nCounty was at is peak. Breathed is doing more interesting work elsewhere,
\nlike in his picture books, these days.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2970, from davemackey, 120 chars, Wed Sep 22 22:33:58 1993
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\nTITLE: A day late
\n…but it’s still cause for celebration… Chuck Jones turned 81 yesterday.
\nHappy Birthday, Chuck! \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2971, from hmccracken, 194 chars, Wed Sep 22 22:39:58 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2970.
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\nA happy eighty-first, Mr. Jones! May you not be confused with Marla Maples’
\npersonal publicist, who shares your name and has been in the news recently
\nfor stealing shoes or somesuch.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2972, from hmccracken, 529 chars, Sat Sep 25 01:08:17 1993
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\nTITLE: _New Yorker_ watching
\nTina Brown’s version of _The New Yorker_ continues to offer interesting stuff
\nfor cartoon and comic fans. The current issue has a two-page, full-color
\njam comic strip by Art Spiegelman and Maurice Sendak that’s well worth
\nchecking out. Also, the magazine has lately been including one cartoon
\nwith an animation reference almost every week (I can’t imagine that this
\nis a formal policy, but it’s been going on for several weeks — this
\nweek’s is an amusing Road Runner\/Coyote-based gag).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2973, from hmccracken, 388 chars, Tue Sep 28 00:20:12 1993
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\nTITLE: Let’s Just Hope They Don’t Open a Jack the Ripper Ride at Disneyland
\nHyperion, a book publisher that is an arm of the Walt Disney Company, is
\ncurrently in the news because it plans to publish a book that is allegedly
\nthe diary of Jack the Ripper. (Apparently, the volume’s legitimacy is
\nquestionable — big surprise — and other publishers have declined to
\npublish it.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2974, from hmccracken, 873 chars, Tue Sep 28 00:23:57 1993
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\nTITLE: Toon Characters in Video Games
\nWorking at _InfoWorld_, I get to try out a lot of software products that
\nwe get from vendors. Usually, they’re business-y applications, but we
\ngot in a copy of a Tom and Jerry game (from Hi-Tech Expressions) today.
\nThe graphics are quite nice and it’s a fun arcade game, but it bears
\nlittle resemblance to the Tom and Jerry cartoons — you control Jerry,
\nwho leaps around and blasts spiders, toy soldiers and other characters
\nby hurling marbles at them. It’s really a sort of a Super Mario Bros.
\nclone.<\/p>\n

This got me to thinking — there have been many computer games based on
\ncartoon character themes, but I’m not sure if any have been very faithful
\nto their source. Has anyone out there seen one that did justice to its
\ninspiration? (I can think of one — the Road Runner arcade game, produced
\nin the mid-1980s by Atari.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2975, from switch, 63 chars, Tue Sep 28 18:16:01 1993
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\nAlso, the Sega Genesis (or is it SNES?) Roadrunner game.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2976, from switch, 39 chars, Tue Sep 28 18:16:31 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2975.
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\nOh, yes — and the Asterix game.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2977, from hmccracken, 75 chars, Tue Sep 28 20:57:37 1993
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\nWhat’s the Asterix game like? I haven’t seen it here in the US.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2978, from jshook, 158 chars, Tue Sep 28 23:08:38 1993
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I seem to recall reading somewhere that a technical analysis of the writing
\nmaterials used in this manuscript showed it to have been written in
\nthe 1920’s.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2979, from jshook, 223 chars, Tue Sep 28 23:12:51 1993
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Wasn’t there a “Simpson’s” video game?<\/p>\n

And, as a complimentary example, I think I remember a “Pac Man”
\ncartoon show. I would imagine the Pac Man game would almost have
\nto have been faithful to the cartoon character….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2980, from hmccracken, 75 chars, Tue Sep 28 23:18:35 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2978.
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\nWell, maybe Jack lived to be an elderly man! It could happen…
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2981, from hmccracken, 189 chars, Tue Sep 28 23:19:31 1993
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\nThat’s right — The Simpsons arcade game is very good and faithful
\nto the cartoon. There are also lots of Simpsons cartridges for
\nhome systems, but I haven’t played any of them.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2982, from switch, 279 chars, Tue Sep 28 23:27:21 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2977.
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\nIt’s one of those games where the characters are about a third the height
\nof the screen, and you scroll from left to right beating up Romans. It’s
\nmuch in the style of the comics — if you’re Obelix, you can bounce Romans
\noff your stomach or slap them silly, f’rinstance.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2983, from switch, 113 chars, Tue Sep 28 23:29:28 1993
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\nThere was also the Pole Position cartoon…<\/p>\n

And let’s not forget the cartoon-game-cartoon, Dragon’s Lair.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2984, from hmccracken, 378 chars, Sat Oct 2 01:40:26 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2965.
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\nNews update on the Opus n’ Bill screen saver, courtesy of today’s _New York
\nTimes_: it’s the subject of a lawsuit. One of the animations has Opus
\nshooting at tiny flying toasters, a reference to the flying toasters in
\nBerkeley Systems’ After Dark screen saver. Berkeley (Systems, not Breathed)
\nwas not amused, and is suing Delrina, the developer of the screen saver.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2985, from switch, 43 chars, Sat Oct 2 01:42:05 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2984.
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\nHey, guys! It’s a *joke*!.<\/p>\n

Sheesh.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2986, from elfhive, 151 chars, Sat Oct 2 23:23:50 1993
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\nTITLE: 24 International Tournee of Animatoin
\nJust posting a review in long.messages #137. Love to talk about it here
\nwith anyone who has also seen it.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2987, from hshubs, 41 chars, Sun Oct 3 09:57:33 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2981.
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\nThere’s also a Simpsons pinball machine.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2988, from hshubs, 95 chars, Sun Oct 3 09:58:00 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2983.
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\nThere’s now a sequel to Dragon’s Lair called Dragon’s Lair: Time Quest
\nor something like that.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2989, from hshubs, 123 chars, Sun Oct 3 09:58:47 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2985.
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\nNot to Berkeley Systems it isn’t. I’ve got to try to get a copy of
\nthat screen saver quickly. I hope it runs on the Mac.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2990, from hmccracken, 223 chars, Sun Oct 3 12:01:57 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2989.
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\nYup, there is a Mac version, or at least Delrina was planning one last
\ntime I spoke with them. The program is actually a module for the
\nIntermission screen saver (although you don’t need Intermission
\nto run it).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2991, from hshubs, 24 chars, Sun Oct 3 12:05:09 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2990.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nCan it be used with AD?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2992, from rmharrold, 448 chars, Sun Oct 3 12:30:58 1993
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\nTITLE: Nightmare Before Christmas<\/p>\n

They have started showing advertisements for Tim Burton’s new movie.
\nFrom what they show it looks to be done… Sorry I’m not sure how to
\ndescribe it. It reminds me of George Pal’s Puppetoons, but it could
\nbe something else. There are a couple of cute bits in the segments
\nshown. The most notable is when the parents ask thier child what Santa
\nbrought him. 8^)<\/p>\n

I did not catch the start date.<\/p>\n

– Robert<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2993, from hmccracken, 112 chars, Sun Oct 3 14:56:24 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2991.
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\nI’m not sure — AD modules are compatible with Intermission, but I don’t
\nknow if the reverse is true.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2994, from hmccracken, 790 chars, Sun Oct 3 15:00:48 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2992.
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\n_The Nightmare Before Christmas_ looks like it may be very good. It
\ndefinitely looks like Disney has high hopes — they’re promoting the
\nfilm fairly heavily, and are coming out with two books later this
\nmonth based on it. One is a nifty children’s book, written and illustrated
\nby Tim Burton in a style much like that of Dr. Seuss (at least as far as
\nthe rhyming text goes). The other is a well-done coffee table volume
\non the making of the film: _Tim Burton’s The Nightmare Before Christmas:
\nThe Film, The Art, The Vision_. The title is pretentious, but the book
\n(by Frank Thompson) is worthwhile as probably the most extensive book
\never done on a stop-motion animated film\u0002. It’s loaded with great
\ncolor artwork, too.
\n— Harry
\n(The books are from Hyperion, Disney’s publishing arm.)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2995, from hmccracken, 212 chars, Sun Oct 3 21:53:52 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: _The Disney Villains_…
\nis the name of the newest book by Disney legends Frank Thomas and Ollie
\nJohnston, and it’s out now. I haven’t read it yet, but Emru has, I
\nbelieve. Any comments, Emru?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2996, from nicolas, 376 chars, Mon Oct 4 04:41:04 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2984.
\nThere are additional comments to message 2984.
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\n> it’s the subject of a lawsuit. One of the animations has Opus
\n> shooting at tiny flying toasters, a reference to the flying toasters
\n> in Berkeley Systems’ After Dark screen saver. Berkeley (Systems,
\n> not Breathed) was not amused, and is suing Delrina, the developer of
\n> the screen saver.<\/p>\n

Don’t they have any sense of humour? Jeez.
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2997, from nicolas, 260 chars, Mon Oct 4 04:41:17 1993
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\nTITLE: Samurai Pizza Cats
\nJust caught this program on one of our children channels. I couldn’t
\nbelieve my eyes. This show is even funnier than Roger Ramjet. Anyone
\nknow this show and maybe know if it is available on video?
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2998, from nicolas, 501 chars, Mon Oct 4 04:41:33 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2994.
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\n> _Tim Burton’s The Nightmare Before Christmas: The Film, The Art,
\n> The Vision_. The title is pretentious, but the book (by Frank
\n> Thompson) is worthwhile as probably the most extensive book
\n> ever done on a stop-motion animated film .<\/p>\n

Harry, any details on ISBN, price etc. If this is, as you say, one of
\nthe best books on stop motion than I should certainly have it in my
\ncollection. Do you know if Ray Harryhausen (sp?) worked on any books
\non stop-motion?
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #2999, from rmharrold, 393 chars, Mon Oct 4 19:33:43 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2994.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

I agree. What little I have seen looks good. The adverts that I
\nhave seen just scream Tim Burton. I am sure that I caught a glimpse
\nof the sand worms from Beatle Juice. I wonder how the general public
\nwill take to an all stop action film.<\/p>\n

I’ll have to look for the books. Maybe they’ll be in the new
\nDisney Store opening near by. (Read less than 50 miles 8^))<\/p>\n

– Robert<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3000, from hmccracken, 237 chars, Mon Oct 4 23:52:06 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2998.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\n(Message 3000! Wow!)<\/p>\n

Nico, the ISBN # is 1-56282-774-X. Price is $24.95 US. I’m not sure
\nif the book is in stores yet, but I have an advance copy in my hot
\nlittle hands, thanks to Hyperion, and it’s well worth seeking out.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3001, from nicolas, 125 chars, Tue Oct 5 11:22:09 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3000.
\n————————–
\nThanks Harry, I’ll just ask my bookstore to put in on order. I’ll see
\nit when I get it.
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3002, from davemackey, 296 chars, Tue Oct 5 11:36:03 1993
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\nTITLE: Tom And Jerry… And Jack
\nThis past Sunday’s USA Weekend reported that one of Jack Nicholson’s first
\njobs in Hollywood was working at the mailroom at M-G-M Cartoon Studio in the
\n1950’s, when Tom And Jerry were in the twilight of their heyday.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3003, from switch, 59 chars, Wed Oct 6 21:44:53 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2987.
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\nIf we’re doing pinball, does _Jurassic Park_ count?<\/p>\n

Emru]<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3004, from switch, 47 chars, Wed Oct 6 21:46:04 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2992.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nHow about: Puppetoons meet _Amphigorey_.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3005, from switch, 517 chars, Wed Oct 6 21:50:20 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2995.
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\nI haven’t gotten much farther since the last time we spoke, Harry (it’s in
\nchronological order, and I’m on _Peter Pan_, I think — about halfway through).<\/p>\n

I was a tad bored at first, but it grew on me after about 30 pages. It’s not
\njust a description of the villains, but a series of explanations of how the
\ncharacter’s look, body language, and personalities were conceived by their
\nwriters, animators, directors, etc. Of course it’s copiously illustrated and
\nhas plenty of little anecdotes. It’s worth it.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3006, from switch, 284 chars, Wed Oct 6 21:53:12 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2997.
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\nI’ve been taping the show irregularly for the last year. There are three
\nepisodes on a tape misleadingly titled _Samurai Pizza Cats: The Movie._<\/p>\n

I really like the show, and I’m happy that it now comes on six times a week
\nhere. I just wish I had time to watch all my tapes…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3007, from hshubs, 172 chars, Wed Oct 6 23:00:30 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3003.
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\nOnly if we’re scraping the bottom. Whatta bad movie.
\nI must admit, though, that the first time I saw the T-rex swallow
\nthe pinball I was on the floor laughing.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3008, from hshubs, 37 chars, Wed Oct 6 23:01:09 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3004.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3004.
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\nReally! Mebbe I should go see this.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3009, from nicolas, 237 chars, Thu Oct 7 03:22:08 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3006.
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\nI especially like the inane comment of the voice-over, not to mention
\nthe aside remarks from the mother and son pair every time the cats get
\nlaunched. Like I said, this is more fun than Roger Ramjet.
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3010, from switch, 69 chars, Thu Oct 7 07:16:02 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3009.
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\nYeah \ud83d\ude42 Lemme dig up my _Apatoons_ mini-review of the show…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3011, from elfhive, 270 chars, Thu Oct 7 21:51:52 1993
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\nTITLE: Beauty and the Beast LD
\nSaw both CAV and CLV editions from Disney in Tower Video tonight . . .
\nsnort slobber drool . . . and this after just buying and watching
\nthe “Work in Progress” version. For the animation enthusiast that
\nis a very worthwhile laserdisc set.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3012, from davemackey, 672 chars, Fri Oct 8 13:02:34 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Get to know Raymond Scott
\nThe next best thing to seeing Raymond Scott live — a little
\ndifficult since he is not in very good health these days — is to
\nsee a live retrospective of his work.
\nScott scholar Irwin Chusid will present “Raymond Scott: The
\nMan Who Made Cartoons Swing” on Tuesday, October 12 at Live Tonight on
\n125 Washington St. in Hoboken, NJ, and on Saturday, October 16 at Fez,
\nwhich is at 380 Lafayette Street in New York City. The show is an
\namalgam of slides, film performances, and audio clips of Scott and
\nhis orchestra — and the cartoons his music graced through the courtesy
\nof Carl Stalling over at Warner Bros. –Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3013, from hshubs, 65 chars, Fri Oct 8 13:34:09 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3012.
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\nHe’s not in good health? Other than age, what’s wrong with him?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3014, from hmccracken, 222 chars, Fri Oct 8 15:40:21 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3013.
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\nMr. Scott has had a number of strokes, unfortunately. He was active
\nuntil recently; in fact, he did some experimenting with computers and
\nMIDI in the 1980s. Not bad for a bandleader who was active in the
\n1930s!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3015, from rmharrold, 240 chars, Fri Oct 8 19:36:48 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3004.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

>How about: Puppetoons meet _Amphigorey_.<\/p>\n

I’ve seen Puppetoons, but Amphigorey does not ring a bell.
\nHmm, looked the word up in the dictionary all I could find was
\n“amphigory”. Amphigory is a piece of nonsence writing.<\/p>\n

– Robert<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3016, from rmharrold, 108 chars, Fri Oct 8 19:42:17 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Muppet Christmas Carol<\/p>\n

The Muppet Christmas Carol video will be released sometime
\nin November.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3017, from switch, 168 chars, Fri Oct 8 19:59:18 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3015.
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\n_Amphigorey_ is a book (compilation?) by cartoonist Edward Gorey. Macabre
\nstuff.<\/p>\n

(Well, maybe not always macabre, but certainly quietly distressing and
\nfunny.)<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3018, from switch, 1333 chars, Fri Oct 8 20:07:05 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3010.
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\nHere we go:<\/p>\n

“My mainstay is the weekend show _Samurai Pizza Cats_, airing up here on YTV.
\nThis was originally a Japanese kids’ show, and it’s still a kids’ show–sort
\nof. Kids would probably like it because it’s got action, comedy, and absurd
\nbut vivacious voice acting. I don’t know for sure, because I don’t know
\nanyone under 20 who watches it except for my crazy cousin Raymond. The appeal
\nfor us lis in the scriptwriting; rather than do a literal translation, it seems
\nthat the boys at Saban just preserved the gist of each episode, and did
\nwhatever they wanted after that. The show is rife with in-jokes, poking fun at
\nTom Cruise, Steven Spielberg, Japanese animation conventions (!) and itself
\n(the characters–including the narrator–know they’re in a cartoon, and comment
\non it often.) This isn’t to say the original show was serious–far from it.
\nFor instance, the main bad guy, Big Cheese, is sexually ambiguous: is he an
\neffeminate guy or a butch girl? I thought I’d find the answer in the episode
\nwhere he’s about to unveil a statue of himself, but there are several statues,
\nand while one is a decidedly female ballerina, the other is a hunk bodybuilder.
\nEven on a bad day, this’ll elicit some yuks.”<\/p>\n

Oh — I just remembered Big Cheese’s name is Seymour, according to his
\nhenchman (henchcrow) Jerry Atric.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3019, from hshubs, 356 chars, Sat Oct 9 11:11:11 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3017.
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\nLooks like Bob got it right!<\/p>\n

Amphigorey is a really good book. After all, it contains the
\nGashlycrumb Tinys: “A is for Amy who fell down the stairs…”
\n-with- pen and ink drawings. Gotta love it.<\/p>\n

From what I understand, it’s a compilation of little books. I
\nsaw, w\/in the last year or so, a new one of these little books,
\nbut I didn’t buy it.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3020, from switch, 576 chars, Sat Oct 9 15:35:05 1993
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\nTITLE: fps Top Ten — what’re your faves?<\/p>\n

In a shameless attempt to fill a page in _fps_ and maybe stimulate
\ndiscussion in the process, we’re creating a “Top Ten Favourites” column
\nin our zine.<\/p>\n

This means — you guessed it — I’m asking you to tell me your top three
\nfavourites in these categories:<\/p>\n

– Animated feature film or OAV (i.e., greater than 30 mins.)
\n– Animated short
\n– Animated series (television, theatrical, or video)<\/p>\n

Please respond in e-mail — but if you’ve really got to respond in public,
\nplease include the words “FPS TOP TEN” in your subject line.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3021, from jshook, 500 chars, Sat Oct 9 23:43:02 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3019.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

Gorey has ben publishing these “little books” since at least the 1960’s,
\nand been doing illustartions and book cover designs since the 1950’s.
\nI have about 30 of his books (many of which are signed and numbered
\nlimited editions; others are small, unbound portfolios) and the
\n“Amphigorey” series draws on them for much of its contents.<\/p>\n

You may have seen E. Gorey’s designs in the opening sequence for the
\nPBS series “Mystery” (or is that “Mystery!”?) which was produced and
\ndirected by Derek Lamb.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3022, from switch, 154 chars, Sun Oct 10 12:46:03 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nSome Disney news… their feature after _Pocahantas_ will be _The Hunchback of
\nNotre Dame_, which will be followed by an unnamed Chinese folk tale.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3023, from hmccracken, 264 chars, Sun Oct 10 14:42:30 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3022.
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\nInteresting about _The Hunchback_, but remember that Disney often floats names
\nof projects which it takes them a long time to actually make — if they do at
\nall.<\/p>\n

I’ve heard, btw, that _Pocahontas_ (spelling?) will be a *very* politcally
\ncorrect film.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3024, from hmccracken, 375 chars, Mon Oct 11 00:00:39 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: FPS TOP TEN
\nEmru — Here’re my top three favorites in your three categories:<\/p>\n

Animated Films: Pinocchio, Snow White, Three Caballeros
\nAnimated Shorts: One Froggy Evening, Little Rural Riding Hood, A Bear for Punishment
\nAnimated Series: The Bullwinkle Show, Tom Terrific, Hoppity Hooper<\/p>\n

(Of course, ask me again tomorrow and my opinion will have changed…)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3025, from switch, 80 chars, Mon Oct 11 00:09:08 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3024.
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\nI never did see _Tom Terrific_ during my formative years — what is that?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3026, from hmccracken, 640 chars, Mon Oct 11 00:18:01 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3025.
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\nIt was a segment on _Captain Kangaroo_ about a little boy named Tom and his
\npet dog, Mighty Manfred. Tom wears a funnel for a hat and can turn into
\nanything; the cartoons are very short (maybe three minutes a piece) and
\ntell serialized adventure stories. And they’re wonderful and funny and
\namong the simplest, purest cartoons ever.<\/p>\n

The series was the brainchild of Gene Deitch, and I think it was done at
\nfirst by UPA and later by Terry-Toons. For me, the voices — which were
\nall done by one guy — provide a lot of the appeal. I’m sure that anyone
\nwho grew up on _Captain Kangaroo_ in the 1960s remembers Tom and Manfred.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3027, from hshubs, 55 chars, Mon Oct 11 00:53:17 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3026.
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\nIs Bob K. (can’t remember his last name) still around?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3028, from hmccracken, 344 chars, Mon Oct 11 09:43:52 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 2984.
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\nThe latest update on the lawsuit between Berkeley Systems and Delrina
\nover the flying toasters in the Opus n’ Bill Screen Saver: a judge
\nsaid that Delrina has to take out the toasters. Or rather, that they
\nhave to taked out the *winged* toasters. Berkeley Breathed is planning
\nto replace them with propeller-powered flying toasters.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3029, from switch, 120 chars, Mon Oct 11 11:26:11 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3026.
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\nHmn. I grew up on _Captain Kangaroo_ in the 70s; by then it was _Captain Nemo_
\nand Bill Cosby’s _Picture Pages_.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3030, from hmccracken, 504 chars, Mon Oct 11 13:47:04 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3027.
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\nBob is still alive and well, and from time to time there’s talk of
\nreviving the Captain. As much as I loved the show, I’m not sure
\nthat’s a good idea. Classic 1960s Captain Kangaroo was great
\nbecause it was the last vestiges of early TV — they’d fill up
\nfive minutes with store-bought hand puppets dancing to ph\u000fono-
\ngraph record music, for instance. You couldn’t do that today.<\/p>\n

Besides, a Captain Kangaroo show without the late Lumpy
\n“Mr. Greenjeans” Brannum wouldn’t be much fun at all.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3031, from grekel, 629 chars, Mon Oct 11 20:51:46 1993
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\nTITLE: “Stretchy?”
\nThis was the name of a real-time animated character that popped up
\nin monitors on “Funniest Home Videos” this week. He was a 2D line
\ndrawing of a cartoon man, but his outline was flexible and his
\nfacial features “floated” within the outline. There was also
\nlimited animation of his mouth and eyes. It reminded me A LOT of
\na character I think I saw on “Captain Kangaroo” ages ago — prolly
\na white flexible plastic character against a black background,
\nmanipulated from behind with rods and reverse-keyed. But this
\n“FHV” character was full color and showed no trace of a mechanism.
\nAnyone know about this guy?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3032, from hmccracken, 294 chars, Mon Oct 11 21:12:29 1993
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\nTITLE: Mickey to Retire?
\nOver on the internet, they’re having a conversation which reminded me
\nof an interesting fact: next month is Mickey Mouse’s sixty-fifth
\nbirthday (on November 28th to be exact). Does this mean he’s going
\nto have to call it quits? And if so, who gets his job?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3033, from switch, 578 chars, Wed Oct 13 00:41:46 1993
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\nTITLE: Can anyone identify this short?<\/p>\n

From the Animators’ Mailing List…<\/p>\n

…there is an old WB cartoon which I haven’t seen for a while. It had an
\nold man in it who had a hearing problem, and used a hearing tube-type
\nthing. He sees a beautiful red hearing-tube lying on the ground, so he
\ndiscards his old one and uses the read one. Anyway, throughout the cartoon
\nhe keeps hearing all kinds of strange noises with their animated
\nequivalent, and at the end a one-horned devil pops up, takes the horn, and
\nscrews it on his own head. I wish I could remember the name!<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3034, from hmccracken, 292 chars, Wed Oct 13 09:35:20 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3033.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nThis is “Now Hear This,” a Chuck Jones cartoon from the early 1960s.
\nIt plays periodically on Nickelodeon, I believe. It’s not terribly
\nfunny, but it *is* one of the most unusual WB cartoons of them all —
\nmore like an independent European cartoon in mood and style than a
\nWB one.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3035, from davemackey, 253 chars, Wed Oct 13 10:07:17 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3026.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nI don’t think UPA had anything to do with Tom Terrific. I have always found
\nthat to be a Terrytoons product. Gene Deitch was making commercials for
\nUPA, though, so it’s not outside the realm of possibility.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3036, from davemackey, 409 chars, Wed Oct 13 10:09:32 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3031.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nThis sounds like puppets they used to have in the 1970’s called Aniforms.
\nThey were operated with what looked like a glorified jackhammer grip, and
\nthey were reverse-keyed. “The Electric Company” used to use such a puppet
\ncalled Lorelei, and they had at least one other. (Jim Boyd did the voice
\nof Lorelei, but after the first season Boyd became an on-camera performer.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3037, from davemackey, 290 chars, Wed Oct 13 10:12:21 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3034.
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\nIt was also the first WB cartoon with the new-type “spokes” opening and
\ndiscordant version of the theme music, later associated with the DePatie-
\nFreleng and later WB cartoons of the 1960s. It’s also the only WB cartoon
\nthat overtly credits Treg Brown with sound effects. –Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3038, from hmccracken, 351 chars, Wed Oct 13 22:04:19 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3035.
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\nRight you are, Dave. I think I was thinking of the Bert and Harry Piel
\nTV commercials, which Deitch did at UPA and took with him to Terrytoons…
\nright?<\/p>\n

Speaking of which, is Piels beer still extant? And if so, aren’t Bert
\nand Harry due for a revival? (And isn’t a shame that that didn’t happen
\nwhile Ray of Bob and Ray was still alive?)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3039, from hmccracken, 339 chars, Thu Oct 14 11:39:36 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3016.
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\nIn other Muppet news, a coffee-table art book on Jim Henson and his
\ncreations just came out. I can’t remember the title, unfortunately,
\nbut the author is Christopher Finch. Finch also wrote _The Art of
\nWalt Disney_ and _Of Muppets and Men_ (another giant Muppet art book;
\nmaybe the new book is a revised edition of that one).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3040, from grekel, 121 chars, Sat Oct 16 09:36:06 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3036.
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\nI’ll have to check the credits next time they use “Stretchy”. That
\n-does- sound like the one I’m thinking of — thanks!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3041, from hmccracken, 670 chars, Sun Oct 17 18:43:45 1993
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\nTITLE: Bill and Opus Recalled
\nAnother update on the Bill n’ Opus Screen Saver, which is the
\nsubject of a lawsuit by Berkeley Systems, which is opposed
\nto the fact that Opus guns down flying toasters in one animation:
\nthe judge hearing the case has said that developer Delrina
\nmust recall all the copies of Bill n’ Opus from store
\nshelves. (As of a week or ten days ago, there were copies
\nto be had at places such as Egghead Software.)<\/p>\n

I suppose this makes the package an instant collectible.
\nI don’t have a copy of the shipping version, but I *do*
\nhave a beta copy which I’ll guard zealously. Next question:
\ndoes anyone really collect collectible software?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3042, from hmccracken, 926 chars, Mon Oct 18 09:06:21 1993
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Leo Salkin
\nLeo Salkin has died in Hollywood. The veteran animator and writer was
\neighty. Salkin was perhaps best known for his work at Disney
\n(where he directed an Oscar-nominated version of the classic story
\n_Pigs is Pigs_). He also worked at MGM, Universal, and UPA, where
\nhe wrote the Mr. Magoo feature film _1001 Arabian Knights_.<\/p>\n

Salkin not only wrote for Mr. Magoo, he may have *been* Mr. Magoo.
\nToday’s _New York Times_ reports that John Hubley, Magoo’s creator,
\nbased the nearsighted old gentleman on his friend Leo Salkin. This
\nis, however, only one of several explanations I’ve heard for Magoo’s
\norigins — but all may be true to one extent or another.<\/p>\n

In recent years, Salkin served as president of ASIFA-Hollywood, the
\norganization for animators and animation scholars. He also wrote an
\nepisode of _The Addams Family_ and a 1958 book, _Story-Telling Home
\nMovies: How to Make Them_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3043, from peabo, 318 chars, Mon Oct 18 14:48:36 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3041.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nOne problem with collectible software is that it loses much of its value
\nwhen you can’t get a computer any more that will run it (because of new
\noperating system upgrades, etc). Then, all you have is a box, a disk, and
\na manual. It’s quite different from a collectible that doesn’t rely on
\nspecial equipment.<\/p>\n

peter<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3044, from hmccracken, 492 chars, Mon Oct 18 16:50:30 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3043.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nThat’s true. I still have a bunch of TRS-80 software, but no working
\nsystem that will run it. I’m probably crazy, but I’ve sometimes
\nwondered if there might be a market for software emulators for
\ndefunct computers. Run Exidy Sorceror programs on your Mac!
\nUse your old Vic-20 packages on your PC! I don’t think this
\nmarket exists today, but I think it will some day. I feel confident
\nthat folks will eventually be interested in today’s software
\nas quaint artifacts of the past.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3045, from peabo, 139 chars, Mon Oct 18 17:18:31 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3044.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3044.
\n————————–
\nFund me and I’ll write an Exidy Sorceror emulator for you \ud83d\ude09 (Actually
\nthere is a small matter of ROM copyright to deal with …)<\/p>\n

peter<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3046, from switch, 170 chars, Mon Oct 18 18:32:20 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3044.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3044.
\n————————–
\nIf you look around on ftp sites, there are all kinds of emulators for
\ndifferent platform, mostly for the Amiga. I ran across a Sinclair Spectrum
\nemulator once…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3047, from hshubs, 100 chars, Mon Oct 18 22:11:21 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3044.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3044.
\n————————–
\nRunning VIC-20 programs on a PC sounds like a way to improve the class
\nof any clone, actually. :-,<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3048, from jshook, 1186 chars, Tue Oct 19 00:18:47 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3044.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

If software becomes collectable, I don’t think it will because people
\nare able to run it. That’s not the way the collectable market works.
\nYou don’t really think those comic book collectors ever take their
\ntreasures out of their plastic bags and actually read them, do you?
\nA field needs a few essential characteristics before it can become
\ncollectable. One is what one might call taxonomy: there needs to be
\na sort of organised structure to the objects in the area. For instance,
\nbaseball cards provide several methods of organisation, each of which
\nmay be used by a collector to determine what is wanted and what is
\nextraneous. For software I can see several potential schemas: 1)every
\nversion of a particular program (including foreign editions, if any, and
\nso on) with complete documentation and an unbroken shrink-wrap, 2)every
\nprogram ever produced by a given company (with varients like every
\nprogram written by or worked on by a specific programmer, etc) and 3)
\nevery program ever written for a particular (preferably obscure!)
\ncomputer. You can see the kind of arcana and potential points of
\ncollector one-upmanship even those broad classifications would
\nmake available.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3049, from peabo, 276 chars, Tue Oct 19 11:59:06 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3048.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3048.
\n————————–
\nNow that you point this out, how about another category: a version of a
\nprogram that had a horrendous bug which required an immediate emergency
\npatch to be distributed for free, by mail? The collectible would be an
\nunopened box and the floppy diskette with the patch.<\/p>\n

peter<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3050, from hmccracken, 470 chars, Tue Oct 19 13:23:51 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3048.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nWell, speaking as someone who *does* own old comic books and
\n*does* take them out of their plastic bags…<\/p>\n

Seriously, I like your analysis of what software collecting would
\nbe like as a hobby. The only question is, is anyone saving stuff
\ntoday? Here at the office we have a copy of VisiCalc, some early
\n1-2-3 releases, and other things that are sure-fire collectibles.
\nBut I just recycled some disks that contained a beta of DOS 6.
\nAm I destroying history?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3051, from hshubs, 57 chars, Tue Oct 19 13:32:25 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3050.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3050.
\n————————–
\n>Am I destroying history?<\/p>\n

No, you’re saving the future!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3052, from switch, 2376 chars, Tue Oct 19 18:03:21 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: An Interesting Request
\n—————————-Original message—————————-
\nWe have recently received as part of a collection of the archives of a
\nprominent local family a number of 16mm and 9mm motion pictures. Included
\nin this collection are two animated films which appear to date from the
\n1920s. Their titles are CHIP IN THE LAND OF WHIZ and its sequel CHIP IN
\nTHE LAND OF WOODEN SOLDIERS. The animation technique is a mix of
\nplasticine and wooden model animation. Except for the title card there
\nare no production credits on the films.<\/p>\n

Can any one either supply me with more information on them or suggest
\nsources I might be able to search?<\/p>\n

———————————————————————
\nW. Mark Ritchie Phone : (519) 888-4070
\nMedia Library Fax : (519) 888-6197
\nAudio Visual Centre
\nUniversity of Waterloo Internet: Av****@Wa******.<\/span>Ca<\/span>
\n200 University Ave West
\nWaterloo, Ontario, Canada “I was just out of college and still believed
\nN2L 3G1 classifications and catagories” – Jean Renoir
\n————————————————————————————————-Original message——
\n———————-
\nWe have recently received as part of a collection of the archives of a
\nprominent local family a number of 16mm and 9mm motion pictures. Included
\nin this collection are two animated films which appear to date from the
\n1920s. Their titles are CHIP IN THE LAND OF WHIZ and its sequel CHIP IN
\nTHE LAND OF WOODEN SOLDIERS. The animation technique is a mix of
\nplasticine and wooden model animation. Except for the title card there
\nare no production credits on the films.<\/p>\n

Can any one either supply me with more information on them or suggest
\nsources I might be able to search?<\/p>\n

———————————————————————
\nW. Mark Ritchie Phone : (519) 888-4070
\nMedia Library Fax : (519) 888-6197
\nAudio Visual Centre
\nUniversity of Waterloo Internet: Av****@Wa******.<\/span>Ca<\/span>
\n200 University Ave West
\nWaterloo, Ontario, Canada “I was just out of college and still believed
\nN2L 3G1 classifications and catagories” – Jean Renoir
\n———————————————————————<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3053, from elfhive, 11 chars, Tue Oct 19 21:53:41 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3052.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\n9 mm film?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3054, from switch, 82 chars, Tue Oct 19 21:59:44 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3053.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\n9.5mm film was a reasonably popular home movie format in Europe and Quebec.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3055, from elfhive, 176 chars, Tue Oct 19 22:09:05 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3054.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nOh, 9.5 and here I was thinking 9mm was exotic. Must have been more
\npopular in Quebec \ud83d\ude42 I lived in Europe and owned an 8mm camera and
\nno one ever tried to sell me on 9.5 mm.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3056, from jshook, 34 chars, Tue Oct 19 23:29:58 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3049.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

Now you’re getting the idea….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3057, from hmccracken, 417 chars, Tue Oct 19 23:31:01 1993
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Euro Disneyland: It’s a Smaller, Smaller World
\nEuro Disneyland, the Disney part outside of Paris that opened recently
\nto less-than-stellar attendance figures, is cutting back on its
\nworkforce. Almost 10% of the park’s 11,000 employees will be let go.
\nThis follows on rumors that the park was going to be shut down
\ncompletely and entirely — somehow, it seems hard to believe they’d
\ngo *that* far…
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3058, from jshook, 252 chars, Tue Oct 19 23:32:07 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3050.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

I experienced what may have been an incipient software-collecting
\ntwinge a few years ago when a dealer was selling off some very
\nearly Amiga software at $5.00 a title. I bought several programs
\nwhich I had no intention of ever using. I wonder why.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3059, from jshook, 260 chars, Tue Oct 19 23:35:15 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3052.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

If you plan to post this anywhere else you should check your message
\nfile–the same information appears twice in your posting here.<\/p>\n

9mm? Is that the Pathe format with the single set of sprocket holes
\nrunning down the center of the film between each frame?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3060, from switch, 61 chars, Wed Oct 20 07:18:03 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3055.
\n————————–
\nIf memory serves, it peaked in the late 40s\/early 50s.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3061, from switch, 69 chars, Wed Oct 20 07:18:50 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3059.
\n————————–
\nYeah, that’s it.<\/p>\n

Emru
\n(Thanks for pointing out the double posting.)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3062, from switch, 183 chars, Fri Oct 22 22:25:39 1993
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Cinematheque Outings, Part I of III<\/p>\n

The month’s been busy for Cinematheque screenings; the first part of three
\nsummaries\/reviews has been posted in \/long.messages #152.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3063, from hmccracken, 478 chars, Sat Oct 23 16:59:28 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Boston-Area Disney Fans…
\nI have been remiss in not mentioning that there’s a Disney collector’s
\nshow going on this weekend at the Holiday Inn Crowne Plaza in Natick
\n(or is it Framingham? Anyhow, the one on Route 9 across from what
\nwas the Natick Mall). The show continues tomorrow with a dealer’s
\nroom which will presumably be chock-full of bisque Mickey Mouse
\nstatuettes, Aladdin odds and ends and the like (as well as some stuff
\nthat’s really interesting).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3064, from hshubs, 54 chars, Sat Oct 23 20:02:53 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3063.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nWhat do you mean “was” the Natick Mall?? Is it gone?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3065, from hmccracken, 256 chars, Sun Oct 24 00:04:23 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3064.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nMost of it is — they’ve torn it down, except for Filene’s and Sears.
\nShopper’s World next door (which was the second shopping mall ever built,
\nbtw) is in a similar situation. Both now share the same ownership and
\nare being completely rebuilt.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3066, from hshubs, 820 chars, Sun Oct 24 01:09:35 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3065.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nBlast. It’s been a while since I’ve been up there. Tearing down
\nShopper’s World is a shame, but I must admit that it -did- need it. What
\nreally gets me is the sheer vision the person who built it must have had.
\nThe thing was there for over 40 years! I think of it as a step between a
\nplaza and a mall, in that it was in the shape of a mall, but it wasn’t
\ncompletely enclosed.<\/p>\n

I’m aware of another proposal for replacing the building, but it kinda
\nfell to the recession. Maybe they’re revived it? The proposal was to
\nbuild an office building there. Somehow, I doubt that’s what’s being
\ndone, what with the vacancy rate of office space in this area.<\/p>\n

But this probably belongs more in new.england\/massachusetts, unless we can
\ntie it to anime. Hm. Did you ever find any anime there? There, tied in.
\nHow’s that?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3067, from hmccracken, 641 chars, Sun Oct 24 10:29:47 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3066.
\n————————–
\nYes, there have been several plans to nuke Shopper’s World over the years…
\nI’m sorry it has to happen from a historical standpoint — like you say,
\nit’s a sort of half-way point between the shopping plaza and the Mall as
\nWe Know It — but on the other hand, it is an awfully ugly building.
\nMaybe they can somehow preserve Jordan Marsh’s planetarium-like dome?<\/p>\n

I think the plan is to tear down the barriers between the Natick Mall
\nand Shopper’s World areas, creating an *enormous* mall complex…and
\nmaking that general area even more mall-intensive than it is now.
\n(And yes, we should be discussing this over in new.england…)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3068, from davemackey, 344 chars, Tue Oct 26 11:05:08 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: R.I.P., Vincent Price
\nI know that Vincent Price, who died last night at the age of 82, had some
\nanimation credits. He played Ratigan in “Great Mouse Detective,” and guested
\non “Tiny Toon Adventures” and possibly also one of the halloween Simpsons
\ndeals. Can anyone add to this partial list>
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3069, from hmccracken, 564 chars, Tue Oct 26 11:30:04 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3068.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3068.
\n————————–
\nPrice also did the voice of a Vincent Price-like character who co-starred
\nwith Scooby-Doo in one of the _Scooby-Doo_ variants of the 1980s, I
\nknow…and he provided a voice for Richard Williams’ _The Cobbler and
\nthe Thief_ (or is it _The Thief and the Cobbler_). This unreleased
\nfilm must hold some sort of record for the number of participants
\nin it who have passed away before the film reached theaters: Price,
\nGrim Natwick, Art Babbitt, Ken Harris, and others.
\n(Not surprising when you consider that the film’s production lasted
\nnearly thirty years!)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3070, from sharonfisher, 99 chars, Tue Oct 26 15:56:09 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3068.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nDid he do the voice of the Evil Scientist, Boo in the Bugs Bunny cartoon
\nwith rudolph the monster?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3071, from hmccracken, 116 chars, Tue Oct 26 21:56:22 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3070.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nHmmm…That sure sounded like Vincent, but I don’t think it was actually
\nhim. Dave, do you know for sure?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3072, from srider, 53 chars, Wed Oct 27 00:19:10 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nAnimation blitz? Tell me how this works, Emru. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3073, from sharonfisher, 97 chars, Wed Oct 27 11:02:10 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3071.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\n————————–
\nIn a discussion of this topic elsewhere, I was told it was Mel Blance
\n(Blanc) imitating Vincent.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3074, from hmccracken, 365 chars, Wed Oct 27 19:03:44 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3073.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nA particpant in the Disney usenet newsgroup said that Vincent Price
\nhad another animation (well, Disney) connection: he provided the
\nvoice for one of the characters in Euro Disney’s Phantom Manor
\nattraction. However, Price’s work was replaced by a recording made
\nby a French actor after park visitors complained that they couldn’t
\nunderstand his English.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3075, from switch, 1308 chars, Wed Oct 27 23:14:38 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3072.
\n————————–
\nI’m glad you asked, Scott \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

The Animation Blitz is a (hopefully) annual event at Concordia University
\nthat’s been going on for at leat the last five years. It’
\nthat’s been going on for at leat the last five years. It’s open to any
\nConcordia student who’s willing to spend a weekend animating.<\/p>\n

Basically, a theme is chosen, and everyone animates something adhering to the
\ntheme, from Saturday morning to Sunday evening. It can be any form of
\nanimation — most common is drawn, of course, but occasionally someone will do
\nsome pixillation, cutouts, or quickie stop-motion stuff. We work on sound and
\nediting over the next few months, hopefully in time for YES (the year end
\nscreening.)<\/p>\n

Related to this in methodology is the Intercollegiate Anima-thon, which is
\nsponsored by Anima-thon International and the National Film Board. Teams are
\nmade up of students from different schools (though there have been independent
\nteams; a friend and I accidentally created the first independent team when half
\nour team chickened out and we hooked up with castaways from other schools), and
\nwe’re given a theme and a soundtrack. We work from Friday evening to Sunday
\nafternoon, and have to create and shoot 30 seconds to two minutes’ worth of
\nanimation. Lots of fun, but it makes for an exhausting weekend.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3076, from hmccracken, 491 chars, Thu Oct 28 18:13:50 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3074.
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\nI forgot about what might be Vincent Price’s most notable contribution
\nto animation, until a friend reminded me today: he narrated _Vincent_,
\na wonderful stop-motion animated film that Tim Burton made while
\nhe was an animator at the Disney Studios, about ten years ago.
\nThe film is a short story about a little boy who wants to grow
\nup to *be* Vincent Price, told in Dr. Seuss-like rhymes. The
\ncurrent _Nightmare Before Christmas_ feature bears a close stylistic
\nsimilarity to it.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3077, from hmccracken, 1739 chars, Thu Oct 28 23:10:40 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Animation on CD-ROM!
\nI think I’ve just discovered the defining application for CD-ROM drives,
\nat least for cartoon nuts. QuickToons, from Wayzata Technology, is a
\nCD-ROM disc for PCs and Macs that lets you watch vintage cartoon shorts
\non your computer screen!<\/p>\n

The disc includes _Betty in Blunderland_ (a fine Betty Boop cartoon), _Ali Baba
\nBound_ (a Bob Clampett Porky Pig cartoon), _The Henpecked Duck_ (a Clampett
\nDaffy cartoon), _A Coy Decoy_ (one of Clampett’s best Daffy cartoons),
\n_Porky’s Cafe_ (an early Chuck Jones film_, and _Bimbo’s Auto_ (whose origins
\nI don’t know — it does *not* star Max Fleischer’s Bimbo). These are all
\npublic-domain cartoons of the ilk that you find on $2.99 cheapie tapes
\nat K-Mart.<\/p>\n

On CD, they cost $29 — not a bad buy by CD-ROM standards. They’re in QuickTime
\nformat, and the quality of playback depends a lot on the oomph of your harsware.
\nBoth small-picture and large-picture versions are included — ranging in size
\nfrom about 25MB to 45MB a cartoon — and I found I got the best results on my
\n486\/33 by using the small-picture versions, while running Windows in 256-color
\nmode.<\/p>\n

How is this disc more useful than an equivalent videotape? Well, you can perform
\na few tricks like playing a cartoon backwards. You can jump immediately to any
\npoint in the film. You can print out individual frames or save them to the
\nclipboard for use in other applications. Or you can leave a cartoon playing
\nin one window while you do word processing or other tasks in another. In
\nshort, it *isn’t* much more useful than a videotape, but it’s a lot more
\nunusual and fun. Think of it as preperation for the interactive future,
\nwhen we’ll all be able to watch any cartoon on demand on any PC.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3078, from ianl, 717 chars, Fri Oct 29 22:07:39 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3077.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

The 3DO platform also supports animation on CDROM. On the sampler disk
\nthat comes in the box when you buy a Panasonic Real Machine 3DO Interactive
\nMultiplayer , there are 3 cartoon segments to demo the
\ntechnology. (They are Thumbelina (extract), 2 Stupid Dogs (The Can), and
\nBatman (Heart of Ice, first segment).<\/p>\n

The programmer responsible for the data compression used on the 3DO was
\ndemoing it for me while I was out there. He said, “I think it’s viable,
\nin that it’ll do cartoons that are good enough that kids will watch, and
\nit’ll do porno that would be erotically stimulating.”<\/p>\n

I responded, “These are apparently two industry standards of measurement
\nthat I’m not aware of.”<\/p>\n

\ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3079, from hmccracken, 193 chars, Fri Oct 29 22:11:42 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3078.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nI heard that 3DO uses MPEG video compression — do you know if that’s
\ntrue? Apparently, it’s the up-and-coming PC\/video standard —
\nallows 60 minutes of video and sound on a CD ROM.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3080, from ianl, 300 chars, Fri Oct 29 22:46:51 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3079.
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The animation and video on the sampler disk I mentioned don’t use MPEG,
\nthey use CinePak, with decompression handled by software. The machines
\nhave an expansion port, and I’ve heard rumors (not from within 3DO, actually)
\nthat someday MPEG decompression devices will hook to the expansion port.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3081, from hmccracken, 469 chars, Sun Oct 31 11:37:27 1993
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\nTITLE: Farewell to a comics fan
\nWith the passing of Federico Fellini, the film world has lost one of its
\nleading lights, but in this conference we should note that the world has
\nalso lost a very serious comics fan. Fellini wrote and spoke frequently
\nof his love for the comics, American and otherwise, and credited such
\nartists as Phil Davis, who illustrated _Mandrake the Magician_, with
\nexcercising a great deal of influence on his approach to film making.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3082, from davemackey, 212 chars, Mon Nov 1 21:54:13 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3071.
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\nI used to think it was Price, but I don’t think so. It sounds like the same
\nguy who did the voice of the wrestler, construction worker, that Jones liked
\nusing in the early 1950’s.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3083, from switch, 169 chars, Mon Nov 1 22:36:53 1993
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\nTITLE: Aardman Animations Retrospective
\nMy comments on the Aardman Animations retrospective I caught almost a month
\nago are finally posted in \/long.messages #154.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3084, from davemackey, 109 chars, Wed Nov 3 22:18:40 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3042.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nSalkin did not direct “Pigs Is Pigs”; that film was directed by Jack Kinney.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3085, from hmccracken, 134 chars, Thu Nov 4 10:08:25 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3084.
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\nMy mistake for relying on information provided by whoever wrote
\nthe _New York Times_’s obituary. Thanks for the correction!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3086, from davemackey, 747 chars, Fri Nov 5 17:05:39 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Dave Tendlar
\nDave Tendlar, 84, who was one of the top New York animators and directors,
\ndied on September 9.
\nAfter starting out in the “Krazy Kat” unit for Charles Mintz in the
\n1920’s as an opaquer, Tendlar joined the Fleischer Studios in the early
\n1930’s and swiftly graduated to head animator status on Betty Boop, Popeye
\nand Color Classics. He continued on with Famous Studios working on the
\nNoveltoons, Popeye, and Herman and Katnip, becoming a director in the early
\n1950’s.
\nIn 1958 Tendlar moved over to Terrytoons and spent most of the 1960’s
\nthere. In the late 1960’s he went to the West Coast, where jobs at Filmation
\nand Hanna-Barbera awaited. He retired in 1981.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3087, from hmccracken, 139 chars, Fri Nov 5 17:28:01 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3086.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nMr. Tendlar was one of the finest draughtsmen to work at the New
\nYork studios, and he drew a mean Betty Boop. He will be missed.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3088, from hshubs, 30 chars, Fri Nov 5 21:16:11 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3087.
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\nBetty Boop wasn’t\/isn’t mean!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3089, from hmccracken, 550 chars, Thu Nov 11 10:02:28 1993
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\nTITLE: Franc Talk about Euro Disneyland
\nToday’s _New York Times_ has an article that reports that Euro Disneyland
\nlost an astronomical $901 million in its first year of operation, much
\nmore than was expected. (The Walt Disney Co. as a whole also lost money
\nduring the fourth quarter.) The park’s money problems are apparently
\ndue to a number of miscalculations, such as an initial ban on the
\nsale of alcohol that didn’t go over well with French guests.
\nPlans for park expansions — a new Disney\/MGM movie theme park —
\nhave been postponed.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3090, from hmccracken, 326 chars, Thu Nov 11 10:04:22 1993
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Penrod Scofield
\nPenrod Scofield died last week in Yonkers, N.Y. at the age of 60.
\nScofield worked as an animtor for Disney (hence his obituary here);
\nhe also illustrated childrens’ books and provided artwork to accompany
\nstories and poems by authors including Philip Roth, Herbert Gold,
\nand others.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3091, from hmccracken, 570 chars, Thu Nov 11 22:24:58 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Euro Disney may be floundering…
\nbut the Disney company apparently thinks there’s room in the US market
\nfor another Disney theme park. They’ve announced plans for Disney
\nAmerica, a historically-themed park to be built in Virginia. The
\ncenterpiece will be an area that lets visitors experience the civil war.<\/p>\n

That’s an interesting idea — Disney’s theme-park showmanship combined
\nwith a serious attempt at historical accuracy could make for a great
\nexperience — but I have my doubts. Why do visions of rides like
\n“Mickey at Gettysburg” come to mind?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3092, from hkenner, 277 chars, Fri Nov 12 22:06:54 1993
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Jones Book
\nMy short book *Chuck Jones*, aimed at an audience not already impassioned
\nby animation, is in production and will be published by U. of Calif. Press
\nin late summer\/early fall ’94. (Apologies to anyone I’ve misinformed re
\nspring ’94). See you all then!
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3093, from hmccracken, 175 chars, Sat Nov 13 04:37:34 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3092.
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\nCongratulations, Hugh! BIXen interested in a preview of Hugh’s book can
\nread animation\/long.messages #36 and 37, which include excerpts from
\nan early draft.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3094, from hmccracken, 332 chars, Sat Nov 13 21:16:24 1993
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\nTITLE: Disneyland Ad Man Dies
\nThe _New York Times_ obituary of H.R. “Bob” Haldeman, Richard Nixon’s
\nchief of staff, revealed an animation-related fact about the man,
\nburied somewhere in paragraph 87 or so: early in his career he was
\nan ad man at the J. Walter Thompson agency, where he handled the
\naccount for Disneyland.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3095, from hshubs, 128 chars, Sun Nov 14 10:15:43 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3091.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3091.
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\nLet’s just say that the result in -my- mind makes me think of the duck
\nwith bullet holes in it from Nightmare Before Christmas.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3096, from hmccracken, 481 chars, Sun Nov 14 13:05:45 1993
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\nTITLE: Animation References Can be Found Everywhere…
\n…as I’ve often mentioned here. For me, the latest example came this
\nmorning, when I turned on my radio and found it happened to be tuned
\nto a church service being broadcast from Marsh Chapel at Boston
\nUniversity. Today’s sermon turned out to be one entitled “The Nightmare
\nBefore Advent,” which drew parallels between the current Tim Burton
\nstop-motion animated feature and certain sections of the Book of Daniel!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3097, from hmccracken, 316 chars, Sun Nov 14 13:08:37 1993
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\nTITLE: Tuesday Night CBIX
\nLooks like this week’s CBIX session will have to be cancelled, unfortunately.
\nI will be at COMDEX in Las Vegas (and will try to post show reports on any
\nanimation-related stuff I come across), and won’t be available at 10pm EST.
\nThings will be back to normal a week from Tuesday.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3098, from davemackey, 317 chars, Tue Nov 16 12:59:32 1993
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Horst Rohner
\nChicago-based animator Horst Rohner was killed on November 2 in a car
\naccident. He was 50.
\nMr. Rohner was operator of the Magic Theatre Company, a company
\nthat produced animation and advertising graphics for Chicagoland agencies.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3099, from hmccracken, 702 chars, Wed Nov 17 04:01:31 1993
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\nTITLE: Comdex Report, Live (sort of) From the Show Floor
\nLots of computer-related stuff is going on here in Las Vegas, but the
\ncomics-and-cartoons beat is a slow one this year so far. My only
\nreal experience worth relating is that I attended a luncheon today
\nat which _Outland_ cartoonist Berkele Breathed spoke about his
\nOpus n’ Bill screen saver and its legal troubles (reported here)
\nand autographed copies of the package for attendees. Mr. Breathed
\nis as funny and incisive in person as his comics are in the
\npaper, and had some interesting things to say about a future he
\nenvisions in which electronic comic strips are common. It was a
\npleasure to get to speak with him about his work.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3100, from ianl, 81 chars, Wed Nov 17 11:55:45 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3099.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3099.
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I’ll bet 3DO has a booth there — you should check it out. (Shameless plug.)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3101, from davemackey, 159 chars, Thu Nov 18 22:36:23 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3099.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3099.
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\nWhat’s this live stuff, Harry? are we going to be seeing you in TV
\ncommercials any time soon during our Tuesday Night CBIX? \ud83d\ude09
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3102, from elfhive, 409 chars, Thu Nov 18 23:18:13 1993
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\nTITLE: Mickey: The Black and White Years
\nJust received a review copy of this beautiful 5 laserdisc set of all
\nof Mickey’s first cartoons restored and in the original black-and-white.
\nThis is from the Disney Archive Collection series and has a number of
\ninteresting supplementary materials including the complete storyboard
\nfrom Steamboat Willie.
\nI’ll be doing a review for the Jan\/Feb 94 issue of LaserViews.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3103, from hmccracken, 255 chars, Fri Nov 19 09:45:54 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3102.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nDROOL! Any chance that you can upload a list of the titles included?
\nDisney has long had a policy, apparently, that the early Mickeys are
\nprimitive and embarassing and should be kept from public view.
\nIt’s nice to see they’ve changed their mind.
\n– Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3104, from switch, 4285 chars, Fri Nov 19 20:05:57 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3103.
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\nHere they are. This is from the upcoming rec.arts.animation digest…<\/p>\n

From: 96***@wi******.e<\/span>du<\/span> (David A Gerstein)
\nNewsgroups: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.disney,alt.fan.furry
\nSubject: *** Info on the BW Mickey Mouse LD ***
\nDate: 28 Oct 1993 23:06:28 -0400
\nOrganization: Williams College, Williamstown MA<\/p>\n

Dear Folks,<\/p>\n

I’ve seen discussion lately of the MM laser disc set,
\nincluding questions as to what was on it. I answered that about 2
\nmonths ago, but it seems that the need for the knowledge has come up
\nagain, so:<\/p>\n

Mickey Mouse: The BW Years
\n(Laser Disc #1 Index)<\/p>\n

1. Steamboat Willie, 1928
\n2. Gallopin’ Gaucho, 1928
\n3. Plane Crazy, 1928
\n4. MickeyUs Follies, 1929
\n5. The Fire Fighters, 1930
\n6. The Chain Gang, 1930
\n7. The Gorilla Mystery, 1930
\n8. Pioneer Days, 1930
\n9. The Birthday Party, 1931
\n10. Mickey Steps Out, 1931
\n11. Blue Rhythm, 1931
\n12. Mickey Cuts Up, 1931
\n13. Mickey’s Orphans, 1931
\n14. The Duck Hunt, 1932
\n15. Mickey’s Revue, 1932
\n16. Mickey’s Nightmare, 1932
\n17. The Whoopee Party, 1932
\n18. Touchdown Mickey, 1932
\n19. The Klondike Kid, 1932
\n20. Building a Building, 1933
\n21. The Mad Doctor, 1933
\n22. Ye Olden Days, 1933
\n23. The Mail Pilot, 1933
\n24. Mickey’s Gala Premiere, 1933
\n25. Puppy Love, 1933
\n26. The Pet Store, 1933
\n27. Giantland, 1933
\n28. Camping Out, 1934
\n29. Gulliver Mickey, 1934
\n30. Orphans’ Benefit, 1934
\n31. The Dognapper, 1934
\n32. Two-Gun Mickey, 1934
\n33. Mickey’s Service Station, 1935
\n34. Mickey at the 1932 Academy Awards (the first color MM cartoon)<\/p>\n

Note that cartoon #34 was not known to historians before now.
\nUntil recently it was believed that “The Band Concert” was the first
\ncolor MM, but now in the archives this one was found, which had
\napparently been released only at the 1932 AA ceremonies.<\/p>\n

There is a work-in-progress version of “The Mail Pilot” which
\nsucceeds it on the disc, according to what the Disney Archives was
\nallowed to tell me. There may be other pencil tests, too, but that
\ncartoon uniquely exists *complete* in that format… or so I’ve heard.<\/p>\n

There is also a second set in production, which I guess will
\nhave most of the following:<\/p>\n

1. The Barn Dance, 1928
\n2. The Opry House, 1928
\n3. When the Cat’s Away, 1929
\n4. The Barnyard Battle, 1929
\n5. The Plow Boy, 1929
\n6. The Karnival Kid, 1929
\n7. Mickey’s Choo-Choo, 1929
\n8. The Jazz Fool, 1929
\n9. Jungle Rhythm, 1929
\n10. The Haunted House, 1929
\n11. Wild Waves, 1929
\n12. Fiddlin’ Around, 1930
\n13. The Barnyard Concert, 1930
\n14. The Cactus Kid, 1930
\n15. The Shindig, 1930
\n16. The Picnic, 1930
\n17. Traffic Troubles, 1931
\n18. The Castaway, 1931
\n19. The Moose Hunt, 1931
\n20. The Delivery Boy, 1931
\n21. Fishin’ Around, 1931
\n22. The Barnyard Broadcast, 1931
\n23. The Beach Party, 1931
\n24. The Grocery Boy, 1932
\n25. The Mad Dog, 1932
\n26. Barnyard Olympics, 1932
\n27. Mickey in Arabia, 1932
\n*28. Trader Mickey, 1932
\n29. The Wayward Canary, 1932
\n30. Mickey’s Good Deed, 1932
\n31. Mickey’s Pal Pluto, 1933
\n*32. Mickey’s Mellerdrammer, 1933
\n33. Mickey’s Mechanical Man, 1933
\n34. The Steeplechase, 1933
\n35. Shanghaied, 1934
\n36. Playful Pluto, 1934
\n37. Mickey’s Steamroller, 1934
\n38. Mickey Plays Papa, 1934
\n*39. Mickey’s Man Friday, 1935
\n40. Mickey’s Kangaroo, 1935<\/p>\n

My guess is that since they have at least an extra side’s
\nworth of cartoons here, either the next set will have more cartoons on
\nsome sides… or, more likely, eliminate the asterisked cartoons *
\nwith racial stereotypes to have a 36-cartoon set. (Even though I’d
\nprobably wince at those films, I’d rather Disney put out a complete
\nset for collectors than be politically correct at their expense. It’s
\nnot as if I’d advocate showing those cartoons on TV or putting them on
\nthe regular, cheap “Cartoon Classics” tapes which little children
\nbuy… but I think they should be on the LD set.)<\/p>\n

#2 is definitely in the works — *BUT* could still be put on
\nhold if the first LD set isn’t such a success. Come on, Disney fans
\n— buy set #1 like me, and you’ll soon see why it all started with a
\nmouse!<\/p>\n

Your friend,<\/p>\n

David Gerstein<\/p>\n

“Oh, the cows and the chickens, they all sound like the
\ndickens, when I hear my little Minnie’s *YOO-HOO!*”<\/p>\n

Any information, questions, or comments relating to Disney
\nshort cartoons and especially MM would find a good home at this
\naddress:<\/p>\n

<Da**************@Wi******.e<\/span>du<\/span>><\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3105, from hmccracken, 636 chars, Sat Nov 20 15:13:23 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3099.
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\nThere didn’t turn out to be much more cartoon-related stuff to be found
\nat COMDEX. Panasonic was using Woody Woodpecker to promote its
\nnotebooks and printers, playing back clips of Woody on giant monitors.
\nIt didn’t work all that well — Woody is kind of a vague character,
\nand it wasn’t really clear why Panasonic chose him to tout its products.
\n(As opposed, say, to when one of the express delivery companies used
\nthe Road Runner.)<\/p>\n

Other news: Berkeley Systems is coming out with a Marvel Comics screen
\nsaver, and I think I saw something about a Warner Bros. cartoon clip
\nart package. And there’s even a Charlie Brown PIM.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3106, from hmccracken, 194 chars, Sat Nov 20 15:14:12 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3100.
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\nI didn’t see a 3DO booth — not surprising, since COMDEX is heavily slanted towards
\nbusiness-type stuff. But I’m sure 3DO will be at CES in January (which I
\ndon’t get to go to, alas).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3107, from hmccracken, 230 chars, Mon Nov 22 21:41:26 1993
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\nTITLE: Robin’s New Role
\nRobin Williams’s new movie _Mrs. Doubtfire_ may be live-action, but it apparently
\nhas a strong cartoon connection. According to _Time_ magazine, Williams plays
\na cartoon voice artist in the film.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3108, from elfhive, 527 chars, Mon Nov 22 23:38:11 1993
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\nTITLE: Swan Lake
\nCNN carried a story in their entertainment section on a new feature length
\nanimation film based on the original tale of Swan Lake. They showed some
\nfinished animation and some pencil tests. There was also some very nice
\nmulti-plane background in one shot. I didn’t catch the company name but
\nit was not familiar nor were the producers. One of them said they were
\nplanning on releasing a feature length animation for family audiences
\nevery two years. Can anyone bring me up-to-date on who the players are
\nhere?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3109, from hmccracken, 294 chars, Tue Nov 23 09:02:57 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3108.
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\nIf I’m not mistaken, it’s Richard Rich Entertainment, a company headed by
\na former Disney hand (who is no relation to Richie Rich as far as I
\nknow). The firm gained some notoriety through its production of Bible
\nstory videos that featured Jewish villains with grotesque hooked noses.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3110, from hmccracken, 552 chars, Tue Nov 23 22:21:55 1993
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\nTITLE: Baby Huey Fans Rejoice
\nHarvey Comics Entertainment has announced that it’s relaunching its cartoon
\noperations, which have been dormant since the early 1960s, when they
\nproduced Casper cartoons for TV. The first new project is a Baby Huey series
\nfor syndication in the fall of 1994; Bob Jacques, formerly of The Ren and
\nStimpy Show, will direct. Two other Harvey characters — Richie Rich and
\nCasper — are the subjects of planned live-action films; Christina Ricci
\nis said to be set to star (not in the title role) in the Casper film.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3111, from elfhive, 140 chars, Tue Nov 23 22:43:15 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3109.
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\nHave they been the subject of any articles in animation magazines and
\ndoes anyone know what other titles they have lined up for production?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3112, from hmccracken, 799 chars, Tue Nov 23 23:45:06 1993
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\nTITLE: Wile E. Coyote, Meet Eustace Tilley
\nThe current issue of _The New Yorker_ has a brief appreciation of Chuck Jones
\nby Terrence Rafferty and a spread of color Jones artwork, published to coincide
\nwith a Jones exhibit at Washington DC’s Childrens’ Museum. Rafferty’s piece
\nis quite nice and it’s always good to see Jones recognized, although the artwork
\nreproduced is of recent vintage and not all that exciting. While Jones has done
\nwell with limited-edition cels and such, none of his recent, still-image
\nart is nearly as remarkable as his animated cartoons of forty and fifty
\nyears ago.<\/p>\n

The feature is just another piece of evidence of the happy fact that _The
\nNew Yorker_ has become a fine showcase of cartoon art since Tina Brown
\nbecame editor-in-chief. Who would have thunk it?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3113, from hmccracken, 477 chars, Thu Nov 25 20:43:21 1993
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\nTITLE: And they claim video games aren’t harmful
\nSonic the Hedgehog, the star of a Sega video cartridge, made his debut as
\na balloon in the Macy’s Thanksgiving parade today, and promptly smashed
\ninto a crowd, injuring a man and a little girl. Me, I’ve kind of lost
\ninterest in the parade since they began adding balloons of current
\ncharacters, rather than depending on ancient balloons of Bullwinkle,
\nUnderdog, Linus the Lionhearted and other early-1960s characters.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3114, from davemackey, 365 chars, Fri Nov 26 09:58:05 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3110.
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\nChristina Ricci, for those who don’t know, plays Wednesday in the live-action
\n“Addams Family” and “Addams Family Values” films. I hope she can show a
\nlittle more emotion there; Wednesday is a pretty deadpan character.
\nThe first thing Bob Jacques should do is get a hold of Martin Taras and
\nfigure out how to do Baby Huey right.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3115, from hmccracken, 358 chars, Sun Nov 28 12:56:50 1993
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Evelyn Venable
\nActress Evelyn Venable has passed away. The radio obituary I heard noted two
\nsignificant facts about her: she was the model for Columbia in the opening
\ntitles for Columbia films, and she provided the voice for the Blue Fairy in
\nWalt Disney’s _Pinocchio_. I
\nam trying to track down more information on Miss Venable.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3116, from switch, 568 chars, Fri Dec 3 21:55:15 1993
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\nTITLE: Stephen Johnson, the man on the moon
\nSome time ago, I posted notices on the Internet, looking for information on
\nvarious animated music videos. I got an interesting response from one Mary
\nLou Jepsen, who is now working with Stephen Johnson (Sledgehammer, Big Time,
\nSteam) on a project. She’s designed a system for projecting images on the
\nmoon at 30 fps, called Moon-TV. It’s a world peace\/global unity project, with
\nthe video being directed by Johnson. It’s meant to be done once, on July 20,
\n1994 — the 25th anniversary of the first moon landing.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3117, from davemackey, 541 chars, Sat Dec 4 18:04:31 1993
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\nTITLE: Two brief obituaries.
\nPassing into the night recently…
\nCal Howard, writer\/director for Warner Bros. and Fleischer studios, also
\na writer for Disney Comics and the “Truth Or Consequences” radio program.
\nAlso, Ely Landau. You may not know his name, but animation fans growing
\nup in the 50’s and 60’s should pay their respect to him: Mr. Landau headed
\nNational Telefilm Associates, the film that distributed the Fleischer, early
\nParamount, other short cartoons to television in those decades.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3118, from elfhive, 52 chars, Sat Dec 4 20:06:53 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3116.
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\nDoes her system require a full or a new moon, emru?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3119, from hshubs, 34 chars, Sat Dec 4 21:34:56 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3116.
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\nI surely hope it’s a clear night.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3120, from hshubs, 148 chars, Sat Dec 4 21:36:42 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3118.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3118.
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\nI assume that the moon’s phase on the scheduled date will be appropriate
\nfor this use. Should be -very- interesting if it happens and if it works.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3121, from switch, 31 chars, Sat Dec 4 23:15:36 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3118.
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\nGood question; I’ll ask.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3122, from hmccracken, 1109 chars, Sun Dec 5 23:12:03 1993
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\nTITLE: Grand Dad Flintstone
\nMy cable was on the fritz tonight, but my reception was good enough to detect
\nthat there was a _Flintstones_ special on dealing with the birth of Fred
\nFlintstone’s first grandchild (who, seeing as Pebbles is married to
\nBamm-Bamm, is also Barney’s grandkid). Did anyone see the show? Did Pebbles
\nhave a boy or a girl? Does the world have a Fred Rubble I, a Wilma Rubble,
\na Pebbles Rubble, or a Bamm-Bamm Rubble, Jr.? Or was another name selected?
\nOr did Pebbles have twins, triplets, or quadruplets? In any event, the
\nFlintstones and Rubbles are perhaps the first major cartoon characters to
\nbecome grandparents — and Pebbles joins Wilma as one of the few cartoon
\ncharacters to become visibly pregnant.<\/p>\n

Why is that? Cartoon characters almost never get married, let alone have
\nkids or grandkids. Much more common are nephews and nieces — Huey, Dewey,
\nand Louie being the best examples. It’
\nand Louie being the best examples. It’s almost as if cartoon characters
\nreproduced in a weird biological system totally unrelated to that
\nemployed by human beings.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3123, from davemackey, 433 chars, Mon Dec 6 20:07:34 1993
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\nPebbles and Bamm-Bamm had fraternal twins, a red-haired boy named Chip and a
\nwhite-haired girl named Roxy.
\nBill Hanna directed the two-hour special from a script by Rich Fogel and
\nMark Seidenberg. Jean Vander Pyl is still Wilma after all these years, and
\nPebbles and Bamm-Bamm were voiced by Kath Soucie and Frank Welker. There were
\nsome guest voices, like Raquel Welch, John Tesh and Mary Hart.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3124, from rmharrold, 416 chars, Mon Dec 6 22:41:47 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3123.
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Someone is going to have to do somthing with TV guide. They
\nspoiled the suprise about the twins in their adds for the show.
\nI only caught a few minutes at the start and about the last half
\nhour. What I saw seemed about on par with the movie of the wedding.
\nOk but not as good as the original show. I must admit thought that I
\nreally like the way Pebbles broke the news that she was expecting.<\/p>\n

– Robert<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3125, from hmccracken, 154 chars, Tue Dec 7 10:50:02 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3123.
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\nThank you. Bill Hanna directed? Wow!<\/p>\n

I wonder why H-B didn’t get Jay North and Sally Struthers to resume their
\nroles as Bamm-Bamm and Pebbles?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3126, from hmccracken, 265 chars, Wed Dec 8 21:42:13 1993
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\nTITLE: Out of the Bat-Closet
\nThe current issue of _The New Republic_ features Batman and Robin in a
\nway that will either appall most bat-fans or give them a chuckle.
\n(I fell into the latter group myself.) I won’t spoil it by describing
\nit in any detail.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3127, from hmccracken, 466 chars, Sun Dec 12 19:15:29 1993
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\nTITLE: The Politics of Disney
\nIn a recent speech in Boston, Al Gore used a complicated metaphor involving Walt Disney’s
\n_Dumbo_ to examine the problems facing our inner cities. It involved the
\nfact that Dumbo thought it was a magic feather that gave him the
\nability to fly, when it reality it was his giagantic ears keeping him
\naloft. I’m not sure what this has to do with inner-city issues, but bravo
\nto the vice president for making a cartoon reference!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3128, from elfhive, 265 chars, Sun Dec 12 19:18:01 1993
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\nWell, the view from my townhouse in Southeast Washington during the
\nrush hour (about 20,000 people a day use the Metro station next to
\nmy house) always did remind me a bit of _Pink Elephants on Parade_.<\/p>\n

PS, that’s DC and not somewhere in the Cascade Mountains \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3129, from ianl, 755 chars, Sun Dec 12 22:59:41 1993
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\nTITLE: Airport animation<\/p>\n

I ran across something interesting in the newspaper this week. Denver is
\nbuilding a new international airport; it’ll be done in March or so. There is
\nan art budget of $7.5 million for the $4.3 billion project. The newspaper
\narticle was summarizing some of the art projects at the new airport, and
\none of the things they mentioned had to do with the high-speed people movers
\n(flat escalators) that’ll be used to move folks quickly between concourses.
\nApparently, along some of the people movers, an artist has set up some sort
\nof flip-book-style animation, so that you’ll see an animated sequence as
\nyou’re whisked along by the machinery. There were no details beyond that
\nin the article, but it sounds pretty interesting.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3130, from jshook, 122 chars, Sun Dec 12 23:33:03 1993
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A friend of mine proposed doing that in one of the subway tunnels
\nhere in Boston a few years, but nothing came of it.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3131, from davemackey, 145 chars, Tue Dec 14 20:12:06 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3127.
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\nI find it surprising that not only did Al Gore make a cartoon reference, but
\nhe crossed party lines to do it. \ud83d\ude09
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3132, from hmccracken, 40 chars, Tue Dec 14 23:09:24 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3131.
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\nDumbo is a member of the GOP?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3133, from jshook, 35 chars, Wed Dec 15 00:09:24 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3132.
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Well, Dumbo *is* an elephant….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3134, from hmccracken, 938 chars, Thu Dec 16 13:47:16 1993
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\nTITLE: Attention, Disney Lawyers
\nThere’s a new cereal on the market, called something like Spangly Sparkles
\n(that’s not the name, but you get the idea), which has a TV commercial
\nwith an animated genie who’s very close in design and character to
\nthe one Robin Williams voiced in _Aladdin_. He’s reddish instead of blue,
\nbut otherwise could be mistaken for the other genie’s brother.<\/p>\n

In other genie-related news, Robin Williams has apparently been heard
\ngrumping publicly about Disney’s treatment of him after _Aladdin_
\nbecame such a hit (it is the top-grossing Disney-studio film of all
\ntime, animated or otherwise). Williams was paid a relatively paltry
\nsalary and has not gotten a cut of the profits. It sure sounds like
\nhe was underpaid — his performance was a big factor in making the
\nfilm a smash — but you’d think a star of Williams’ caliber would think
\nof such things when signing his original contract, wouldn’t you?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3135, from hmccracken, 511 chars, Sun Dec 19 17:32:26 1993
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Ken Anderson
\nKen Anderson, one of the most notable art directors associated with
\nDisney animation, died last Monday at the age of 84. Anderson worked
\non Disney’s cartoon features fron _Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs_,
\nthe first, through at least 1973’s _Robin Hood_; he also art directed
\nattractions for the Disney theme parks. In recent years he attended
\nmany conventions of Disney fans, and last year he published
\n_Nessie and the Little Blind Boy of Loch Ness_, a childrens’ book.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3136, from hmccracken, 261 chars, Mon Dec 20 00:23:15 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3091.
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\nApparently, Disney’s historical amusement park in Virginia isn’t
\na sure thing. The studio wants the state to pay for at least part
\nof the roadwork that needs to be done around the park, and has
\nalso voiced concern about local opposition to its plans.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3137, from hmccracken, 4483 chars, Fri Dec 24 17:54:41 1993
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\nTITLE: From the ‘net: Euro Disney to Close?
\nThe Surge!: Euro Disney may close if restructuring efforts fail23 Dec 93 13:09
\nCross-posted to USENet’s rec.arts.disney, FIDONet’s Disney Conference,
\nWWIVNet’s Disney Discussion Sub, and Mickey’s Kingdom BBS!<\/p>\n

The following article appeared in The Press Enterprise, Business Section C7,
\nThursday, December 23, 1993:<\/p>\n

The article below does not necessarily represent the opinions of Mickey’s
\nKingdom BBS, its users, or those forums on which this article may appear.<\/p>\n

[Begin quote.]<\/p>\n

EURO DISNEY MAY CLOSE IF RESTRUCTURING TALKS FAIL<\/p>\n

By Roger Cohen
\nNew York Times News Service<\/p>\n

PARIS-Auditors of Euro Disney said yesterday that the troubled theme park
\nwould have to close if negotiations with creditor banks and with the parent
\nWalt Disney Company did not soon result in agreement on a financial rescue.<\/p>\n

“The group will need financial support to face its contractual obligations in
\n— 17:53 –rec.arts.disney– LAST –help:?–Top 20%–<\/p>\n

“The group will need financial support to face its contractual obligations in
\nthe 1994 accounting year,” said PS Audit, a unit of Price Waterhouse, the big
\naccounting and consulting house.<\/p>\n

“If the financial restructuring measures envisaged do not reach a conclusion
\nin sufficient time, the group will have cash problems and will not be able to
\ncontinue its activities.”<\/p>\n

The comment accompanied the official publication of disastrous financial
\nresults for the year ending September 30 and announced last month by Euro
\nDisney.<\/p>\n

It amounted to a more direct and strongly worded statement of Euro Disney’s
\n“acknowledgement last month that it could face a “liquidity problem” after
\nlosing $920 million in its first full fiscal year.<\/p>\n

Creditors, which include Banque Nationale de Paris, Credit Agricole, Deutsche
\nBank, Midland Bank, JP Morgan and Banque Indosuez, have begun negotiations
\nwith Euro Disney and the Walt Disney Company but appear to have made scant
\nprogress.<\/p>\n

One possibility under review is that part of Euro Disney’s more than $3.7
\n— 17:53 –rec.arts.disney– LAST –help:?–45%–<\/p>\n

One possibility under review is that part of Euro Disney’s more than $3.7
\nbillion in debt could be converted into stock, but banks are reluctant to
\naccept such a plan until they have evidence that the theme park’s performance
\nwill improve.<\/p>\n

Walt Disney, which owns 49 percent of Euro Disney and has agreed to pump in
\nmoney for a limited time, is also discussing with banks how any injection of
\ncapital would be shared. Some officials close to the talks say Walt Disney
\nwants the banks to at least match its own contribution.<\/p>\n

In a statement that seemed intended to play down the impact of the auditors’
\nremarks, Euro Disney said their comments were consistent with its
\nacknowledgement of a potential liquidity problem.<\/p>\n

“Consistent with this disclosure,” the company went on, “the statutory
\nauditors have stated that the company might be unable to continue as a going
\nconcern if the restructuring were not completed.”<\/p>\n

However, the Paris stock exchange reacted with a renewed bout of anxiety,
\nsending Euro Disney shares plunging more than 4 percent, to 34.05 francs.
\nBefore the Park’s opening in April 1992, the shares traded as high as 160
\nfrancs.
\n— 17:53 –rec.arts.disney– LAST –help:?–72%–<\/p>\n

Before the Park’s opening in April 1992, the shares traded as high as 160
\nfrancs.<\/p>\n

Neither Disney nor the auditors was prepared to say what the deadline is for
\nan agreement to save the park.<\/p>\n

But banks have requested a separate and more detailed audit from KPMG Peat
\nMarwick, another big accounting and consulting company, before they reach any
\ndecision. That report will not be submitted until mid-January, so it seems
\nhighly likely that no decision will be made before the early spring.<\/p>\n

From the outset, the previously all-conquering Disney formula has proved less
\nappealing in Europe than the company expected.<\/p>\n

[Photo caption:] Guests seen entering Festival Disney outside the Euro
\nDisneyland Theme Park. Guests are wearing the typical plastic, yellow
\nrain coats that with Mickey on the bank and say “Euro Disney”. Caption reads,
\n“Euro Disney near Paris may face closure if talks with creditor banks and the
\nWalt Disney Co. fail.”<\/p>\n

[End quote.]<\/p>\n

— 17:53 –rec.arts.disney– LAST –help:?–95%–<\/p>\n

[End quote.]<\/p>\n

The Surge!<\/p>\n

Part of the Magic of Mickey’s Kingdom BBS (909) 242-3975
\n—
\nThis year, see the World! – Call (407)WDISNEY for information\/reservations!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3138, from hmccracken, 112 chars, Fri Dec 24 23:17:59 1993
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\nTITLE: Merry Christmas, one and all…
\nfrom your friends at the BIX animation conference! Ho, ho, ho!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3139, from switch, 133 chars, Mon Dec 27 14:16:20 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3118.
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\nMary Lou got back to me; it’ll be broadcast on a new moon (actually a ‘sliver
\nmoon’) because there’s much less light required.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3140, from hshubs, 67 chars, Mon Dec 27 16:53:57 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3139.
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\nThat makes sense. Please remember to remind us before it happens!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3141, from switch, 16 chars, Mon Dec 27 19:06:01 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3140.
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\nI’ll try!<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3142, from switch, 221 chars, Mon Dec 27 19:07:40 1993
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\nTITLE: A question for the Professor…
\nSay, Hugh, does your handy OED CD-ROM give a clue as to the origins of the
\nword “cartoon”? Kris Ruppert on Fidonet was wondering how animation came to
\nbe known as “cartoons.”<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3143, from hmccracken, 348 chars, Mon Dec 27 20:39:40 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3142.
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\nWell, the use of the word “cartoon” to describe preliminary, rough sketches
\ndone by painters goes back several centuries at least. (I’m not sure
\nof the country in which it originated.) It wasn’t a big jump to apply
\nthe word to casual, humorous drawings of other sorts…and then to
\nhumorous visual arts of all kinds, including animation.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3144, from hmccracken, 687 chars, Mon Dec 27 20:48:20 1993
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Zack Mosley
\nZack Mosely, creator of the long-running and popular _Smilin’ Jack_ comic strip,
\npassed away recently at the age of 83. Mosley’s strip, which first saw print
\nin 1933, was the most popular of many newspaper strips with aeronautical
\nthemes, Jack being a crime-fighting, adventuring pilot who bore a certain
\nlikeness to Dick Tracy. _Smilin’ Jack_ retired from active duty in the
\ncomics in 1973 (a victim, I think, of the newspaper shortages — a lot
\nof veteran strips died around then). In recent years, Mosley published
\nhis autobiography and other books dealing with his adventures as a
\ncartoonist, including at least one volume of _Jack_ reprints.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3145, from switch, 20 chars, Mon Dec 27 21:02:15 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3143.
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\nThanks, Hugh!<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3146, from hkenner, 36 chars, Tue Dec 28 16:43:27 1993
\nThis is a comment to message 3143.
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\n“Cartoon” is from Italian “carton”.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3147, from hmccracken, 660 chars, Thu Dec 30 22:23:08 1993
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\nTITLE: Here Comes the Mouse
\nToday’s _New York Times_ has a nifty article on weddings at Disney World,
\nan apparently booming industry. You can’t get married inside the park
\nitself, but can hold the event at one of the hotels, with your favorite
\nDisney characters as guests. Prices start at $2000, but can go up to
\n$100,000 for a bash with all the trimmings — like the bride arriving
\nin a glass carriage drawn by six white horses and the groom coming in
\non horseback.<\/p>\n

It’s all very romantic, but possibly inappropriate — Mickey Mouse, after
\nall, has been dating the same woman (er, mouse) for sixty-five years
\nwithout making an honest woman of her.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3148, from hmccracken, 340 chars, Thu Dec 30 22:25:09 1993
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\nTITLE: Ted Buys the Other Half of HB
\nTed Turner has agreed to pay $255 million for the half of the Hanna-
\nBarbera studio he doesn’t currently own, buying out the Apollo Inventment
\nFund, his current partner in the studio. The Hanna-Barbera library is,
\nof course, highly visible these days on Turner’s Cartoon Network cable
\nchannel.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3149, from hmccracken, 172 chars, Fri Dec 31 22:29:33 1993
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\nTITLE: Happy New Year!
\n…and here’s to a pleasant and productive 1994 for every member
\nof the animation conference! (And lots of good cartoons for us
\nto watch!)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3150, from hmccracken, 582 chars, Sat Jan 1 11:37:06 1994
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\nTITLE: Cartoon Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous
\nTwo interesting tidbits gleaned from the new issue of _The Comics Journal_:<\/p>\n

In England, the Duke of Edinburgh has lent several cartoon originals
\nfrom his personal collection to an exhibit of work by Giles, the
\nlegendary social cartoonist whose work has appeared in British papers
\nfor decades.<\/p>\n

Back in the U.S., John F. Kennedy Jr. attended the recent opening
\nof a gallery show of work by underground comix superstar Robert
\nCrumb at the Alexander Gallery in New York City. JFK Jr. is said
\nto be a big fan of Crumb’s work.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3151, from hmccracken, 579 chars, Sat Jan 1 16:41:15 1994
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Mack David
\nMack David, 81, died on Thursday in Rancho Mirage, Calif. David was
\na composer and lyricist who wrote more than 1,000 songs, among those
\nsome of the ones used in the Disney animated films _Cinderella_ and
\n_Alice and Wonderland_.<\/p>\n

It’s been a bad period for Disney composers — a few days ago,
\nathe woman whgo wrote the lyrics for “Who’s Afraid of the Big Bad Wolf,”
\nthe hit song from _Three Little Pigs_ (1933) passed away. Unfortunately,
\nI’ve misplaced the clipping I had on her death, and I’m not
\nsure of her name. Anyone out there know?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3152, from kipw, 239 chars, Sat Jan 1 17:39:13 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3135.
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\nI was shocked at how little attention Anderson’s death got.
\nHe was responsible for Disney’s look for most of my life.
\nI was a little tired of his designs, but that doesn’t detract
\nfrom his achievements, especially 101 DALMATIANS.
\n–Kip<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3153, from kipw, 228 chars, Sat Jan 1 17:51:49 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3136.
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\nanimation\/main #3154, from kipw, 636 chars, Sat Jan 1 18:03:04 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3126.
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\nThe _New Republic_ Bat-joke was described to me. Sounds like
\nsomeone’s been reading Wertham’s classic _Seduction of the
\nInnocent_, which seemed to feel that Bruce and Dick (both
\nnames, he felt, were additional evidence) represented a
\nbit more than mere male bonding. Jules Feiffer also talks
\nabout this (and declines to believe Wertham’s temptingly
\nlurid thesis) in _The Great Comic Book Heroes_, the book
\nthat bears a lot of responsibility for the boxes of comics
\nin our house. (For someone with an even filthier mind than
\nWertham, try Gershon Legman’s _Rationale of the Dirty Joke_.
\nLegman is, of course, another psychiatrist.
\n–Kip<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3155, from kipw, 515 chars, Sat Jan 1 18:13:55 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3130.
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\nA local paper had a letter from a kindly soul who felt that one or
\nthe other of our local underwater tunnels could be made friendlier
\nby putting jolly Disney characters in them. Since this might make
\npeople drive even more slowly through the often-unavoidable tunnels,
\nI decided it might be better to put hideous bogeymen and monsters
\non the walls instead. After thinking about it, though, I figured
\nit would be more effective to paint realistic dripping cracks and
\npuddles. (I think they do this in Boston.)
\n–Kip<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3156, from hmccracken, 270 chars, Sat Jan 1 18:22:05 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3153.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3153.
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\nI’d love to know more about Disney America as it develops — or
\ndoesn’t.<\/p>\n

Michael Eisner is quoted in today’s New York Times as saying that
\nshutting down Euro Disneyland is a possibility. Maybe — but
\nmaybe he’s just playing hardball, as Disney is wont to do.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3157, from switch, 406 chars, Sun Jan 2 11:51:57 1994
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\nTITLE: Music videos
\nWell, I’m a happy guy. MuchMusic is doing their “Top 500 Videos of All Time”,
\nand after many years I’ve finally managed to get the animated video for
\nPonto de Lanca Africano (which can be found on David Byrne’s Brazil Classics,
\nvol. 1). If you haven’t seen this, it’s worth hunting down. It’s replete
\nwith colourful, painted, images of Brazilian life, the good, bad, and ugly.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3158, from hkenner, 106 chars, Sun Jan 2 13:51:43 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3154.
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\nLegman–a psychiatrist? I’d always understood he was a writer,
\nwith an eccentric feel for material.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3159, from hmccracken, 298 chars, Sun Jan 2 18:27:25 1994
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\nTITLE: Mark Your Calendar!
\nNext Sunday (January 9th) at 9pm eastern time, join us in the Animation
\nCBIX area for our first, extra-special CBIX event of 1994 — the
\nthird in our popular series of Trivia Nights! There will be questions,
\nanswers, prizes, and fun for all! More details soon.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3160, from hmccracken, 550 chars, Sun Jan 2 21:56:09 1994
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Cesar Romero
\nCesar Romero, whose successful acting career spanned movies, TV, and radio, as
\nwell as many decades, passed away yesterday at the age of 86. While it might
\nnot be the role he’d most want to be remembered for, the one most pertinent
\nto this conference was, of course, his series of performances as The Joker
\non the 1960s _Batman_ TV show. It was a witty role which he clearly
\nrelished — and which definitely influenced Jack Nicholson’s performance
\nas the same character in the 1989 theatrical _Batman_ movie.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3161, from kipw, 423 chars, Sun Jan 2 22:48:21 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3158.
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\nI sure thought Legman was a shrink, but a quick look (as the
\nonline clock ticks away) at _Rationale of the Dirty Joke_
\ndoesn’t reveal any professional credentials. I may have either
\nseen an “about the author” in the library copy of the book I
\nread before I got my own, or I may be assuming from the
\nlarge number of scholarly references and incidence of psychobabble
\nthat he is a professional. So maybe I’m wrong. Eh.
\n–Kip<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3162, from davemackey, 169 chars, Sun Jan 2 23:55:46 1994
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\nTITLE: Mini-Obit: Carlo Vinci
\nJust read on CompuServe that Carlo Vinci, animator for Terrytoons,
\nMGM and Hanna-Barbera, has passed away.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3163, from nicolas, 781 chars, Mon Jan 3 02:15:08 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3153.
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\nAccording to my newspaper, Michael Eisner told the french newspaper Le
\nPoint, that closing down EuroDisney is definitely one of the options
\nif there is no solution with the banks before March 31st.<\/p>\n

Currently EuroDisney has run up losses in the order of $1 billion.
\nYep, that is no typo. The total debt even runs as high as $ 4 billion.
\nEisner wants the banks to lower the debts. The banks want Disney, who
\nhas only 49 pct of the shares in EuroDisney, to cough up some more
\ndough.<\/p>\n

Eisner is also quoted as saying that any support from Disney towards
\nEuroDisney should not endanger the solvability of the parent company.
\nEuroDisney shares fell 8 pct on the Paris stock exchange after these
\nwords.<\/p>\n

I’ll try keep you updated as the news breaks.
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3164, from davemackey, 491 chars, Thu Jan 6 22:35:21 1994
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\nTITLE: The annual Syracuse thing
\nCinefest 14 will be held from March 3-6, 1994, at the Quality Inn North in
\nSyracuse, New York. Once again, Harry McCracken, yours truly, and some of
\nour friends from Apatoons and Animato! are expected to be in attendance. If
\nyou happen to come, step up and make yourself known to us. Further info
\non Cinefest can be had by calling Phil Serling at (315) 637-8985. Hotel
\nreservations may be made at (315) 451-1212.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3165, from hmccracken, 550 chars, Thu Jan 6 23:25:35 1994
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\nTITLE: Once again, it’s Trivia Night!
\nPlease join us this Sunday at 9pm EST for our third Trivia Night!
\nAs those of you who’ve joined us before know, we ask multiple-
\nchoice questions, keep track of everybody’s ansswers, and award
\nprizes to the high scorers. Whether or not you’re a cartoon\/
\ncomics expert, it’s a lot of fun! Prizes will include books
\nsuch as Jerry Beck’s _I Tawt I Taw a Putty Tat_ and Bill
\nWatterson’s _The Days Are Just Packed_, copies of _FPS_ and
\n_Animato_ magazine, and more.<\/p>\n

See you there, and bring your friends!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3166, from hmccracken, 470 chars, Sat Jan 8 20:26:18 1994
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Pat Buttram
\nPat Buttram, sidekick in countless western movies and Mr. Haney of _Green
\nAcres_, has passed away. (His age being either 78 or 80, depending on
\nwhich TV report you believe.)<\/p>\n

In the realm of cartoons, Buttram did voices for several Disney features —
\n_The Aristocats_, _Robin Hood_, and _The Fox and the Hound_ among them.
\nI believe he also provided a voice for at least one episode of TV’s
\n_Garfield and Friends_ in recent years.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3167, from hmccracken, 772 chars, Sun Jan 9 15:21:34 1994
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\nTITLE: Prizes, Prizes, Prizes!
\nParticipate in tonight’s Trivia Night (9pm EST in animation\/CBIX)
\nand you have a shot at winning one or more of the following:<\/p>\n

* _Kingpin_, by Bill Griffith (Zippy the Pinhead comics!)
\n* _I Tawt I Taw a Puddy Tat_ by Jerry Beck (all about
\nTweety and Sylvester!)
\n* _School is Hell_ by Matt Groening
\n* _What’s Wrong with Being Crabby?_ by Charles Schulz
\n(great Peanuts reprints!)
\n* _Felix in the Doghouse_ (Felix the cat comics!)
\n* _Felix Keeps on Walking_ (more Felix strips!)
\n* Copies of _fps_ and _Animato_ animation fanzines<\/p>\n

See you there! Knowledge of comics and cartoons is helpful, but
\nnot mandatory. (Everything’s multiple choice, so intelligent
\nguessing can go a long way.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3168, from davecolton, 398 chars, Sun Jan 9 20:17:58 1994
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\n*** Moved from animation\/anime #1068 of Sun Jan 9 16:40:24 1994
\nTITLE: Outakes from Aladdin?
\nThe Today show featured a piece about the songstress who
\nplay Jazmin. Interestingly, they showed footage on “A Whole New World”
\nthat is not in the movie. (This was the portion where the two are
\non the carpet flying — here, on Today, the two were kissing in flight).<\/p>\n

Anyone know about other outakes?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3169, from hmccracken, 145 chars, Sun Jan 9 20:58:58 1994
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\nTITLE: The Animation Trivia Night CBIX…
\nis about to begin! Join us by selecting “CBIX” from your animation
\nconference topic choices!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3170, from davemackey, 460 chars, Mon Jan 10 10:41:44 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3168.
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\nBy songstress, you must mean Lea Salonga, who did the singing voice of
\nPrincess Jasmine. Her speaking voice was Linda Larkin. Salonga has been
\nfeatured on the New York stage; I think she was in “Miss Saigon.”
\nIncidentally, the singing voice of Aladdin, Brad Kane, was the former
\nhost of a Nickelodeon review program called “Rated K: For Kids, By Kids.”
\nScott Weinger, of course, did Aladdin’s speaking voice.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3171, from davemackey, 199 chars, Mon Jan 10 10:42:44 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3166.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3166.
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\nButtram was Gene Autry’s sidekick, and he was working for Gene right up to
\nthe end: he had been a program co-host on Autry’s Los Angeles radio station,
\nKMPC. –Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3172, from hmccracken, 406 chars, Mon Jan 10 20:43:12 1994
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\nTITLE: Your autograph please, Mr. Disney
\nThe current (February) issue of _Autograph Collector_ magazine, a
\npublication that’s new to me, has an article on collecting
\nanimation autographs — the signatures of notables like Walt
\nDisney, Chuck Jones, Tex Avery, and Don Bluth. It’s not the
\nmost informative piece in the world, but it’s nice to see
\nanimation having an effect on the autograph field.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3173, from davemackey, 171 chars, Mon Jan 10 20:47:23 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3166.
\n————————–
\nButtram was also the voice of Bicycle Bob on “Tiny Toon Adventures” and yes,
\nhe indeed did appear in an episode of “Garfield And Friends.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3174, from hmccracken, 324 chars, Mon Jan 10 21:10:08 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3154.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nUpdate on _The New Republic_’s Batman-and-Robin-as-lovers
\ncover: the new issue has an indignant letter from a reader
\n(not surprising), and — more startling — a formal
\napology by TNR to DC Comics for showing Batman and Robin
\nin a manner not consistent with how they’re shown in
\nDC publications and merchandising.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3175, from linkster, 255 chars, Mon Jan 10 21:19:22 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3174.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nRight now Batman( or least the guy that has the mantle) and Robin are *anything*
\nbut lovers. I wonder where people got the idea that Bats and Robin had such
\na relationship. Bruce is a bit of a cold fish when he’s not playing playboy.<\/p>\n

LInk<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3176, from hmccracken, 302 chars, Mon Jan 10 21:27:16 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3175.
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\nLink, it’s an old idea — sometimes taken seriously, sometimes in jest.
\nIt dates back at least to the 1940s (though any reader of 1940s
\nsuperhero comics looking for hidden sexual content who didn’t focus
\nall of his or her attention on _Wonder Woman_ obviously wasn’t looking
\nvery carefully).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3177, from linkster, 474 chars, Tue Jan 11 22:12:28 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3176.
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\nI can see the idea of bats\/robin in a relationship of that sort taken in jest,
\nbut seriously, I don’t know. My impression of Bruce has been that there is
\nonly one thing in his life that matters…… fighting crime within his rules
\nof conduct. Yes he has friends, but those are mostly limited to those who aid
\nhim in his fight. On occasion he does get a flame for a female. Probably my
\nfavorite is Catwoman. The attraction\/repulsion factor is tops…<\/p>\n

LInk<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3178, from davemackey, 440 chars, Sat Jan 15 16:41:48 1994
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\nTITLE: Harry Nilsson’s animated legacy…
\nI just heard on the radio this afternoon that singer\/songwriter Harry Nilsson
\nhas died at the too-young age of 52. Naturally, my mind raced to find
\nanimation connections. And, as I sometimes do, I remember. In 1971, Nilsson
\nwrote and scored an animated TV special called “The Point” about a child who
\nis ostracized because his head is round, unlike everyone else’s.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3179, from hmccracken, 306 chars, Sat Jan 15 19:01:39 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3178.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3178.
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\n…And Nilsson also wrote the nifty songs for Robert Altman’s
\n_Popeye_ live-action movie (recently discussed elsewhere in this
\nconference). I have heard that at one point, John Lennon was a
\nstrong candidate to write the tunes for that movie. What a weird
\nidea *that* is!<\/p>\n

Nilsson will be missed.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3180, from hmccracken, 399 chars, Sat Jan 15 20:20:18 1994
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\nTITLE: Disney to open San Francisco theme park?
\nOver on the Internet, someone has posted a newspaper article
\nwith the interesting news that Disney has been approached about
\ntaking over Treasure Island, a San Francisco Navy base that is
\nslated to be closed. The idea is to turn it into a theme park,
\npossibly instead of the planned “Westcot” expansion of Disneyland
\nin southern California.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3181, from kipw, 1306 chars, Sun Jan 16 12:54:12 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3178.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nI’m usually a little sad when I hear about someone dying, but
\nwhen I heard about Harry, I was a lot sad. Besides the aforementioned
\nanimated achievements, he also did one of my favorite albums, a
\ncollaboration with Gordon Jenkins called “A Little Touch of Schmilsson
\nin the Night.” It’s mostly standards, with a couple of delightful
\nrediscovered gems as well. The highlight, for me, is Jenkins’s own
\n“This is All I Ask.” (The album notes mention that although Sintra and
\nTony Bennett and others have had their turn at the song, the best
\nversion before Harry’s was probably Tiny Tim’s. I have TT’s, and I
\nagree.) It’s all I can do not to quote the song’s entire lyrics, but
\nhere’s a taste:
\nBeautiful girls, walk a little slower when you walk by me.
\nLingering sunsets, leave a little color for my heart to own.
\nChildren everywhere, when you shoot at bad men, shoot at me–
\nTake me to that strange, enchanged land
\nGrownups seldom understand…
\n…Stars in the sky, make my dreams come true
\nbefore the night has flown
\nand let the music play, as long as there’s a song to sing…
\nand I will stay younger than Spring.
\nI think I’ll go listen to the album now.
\n(It’s clear that nobody would write about children
\nshooting at them today.)
\n–Kip
\nps: Anyone know if he did a sequel to this?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3182, from jshook, 746 chars, Sun Jan 16 23:58:38 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3181.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

Another Nilsson credit is for the music for one of the most bizarre films
\nI have ever seen–“Skidoo”, starring Jackie Gleason, Carol Channing,
\nFrankie Avalon and many TV actors from the 1960’s. This is the film that
\nshows (among many other things) what Gleason’s first acid trip was like
\n(he sees God, who turns out to be Groucho Marx…but you knew that).
\nIf you are ever anywhere near a showing of this film, you know what you
\nhave to do. H. Nilsson has a cameo as a prison guard, and *his* LSD vision
\nis of a sort of Busby Berekley extravaganza of dancing garbage cans–his
\nguard partner sees the Green Bay Packers playing football in the nude–
\nit’s that kind of movie. Nilsson also sings the closing credits, every
\nlast one of them.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3183, from elfhive, 34 chars, Mon Jan 17 15:06:36 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3182.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nWas that the Otto Preminger film?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3184, from hmccracken, 461 chars, Mon Jan 17 19:26:58 1994
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\nTITLE: Get well soon, Southern California
\nJust about anyone who’s interested in animation is likely to have special
\nfeelings about Los Angeles and the surrounding area, so I was
\nparticularly distressed to hear about today’s earthquake. (And
\nhopeful that animation friends in the area whom I haven’t been able
\nto get in touch with are okay.) Let’s hope that the recovery from
\nthe quake is speedy — and my heart goes out to those who suffered losses.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3185, from robairmackey, 316 chars, Mon Jan 17 23:46:46 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3184.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3184.
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\nDouble for me. Los Angeles is a wonderful, magical place that has had
\nso much strife in the last 5 years, much of it because of natural
\nforces. Don’t give up on LA yet, folks. Things like this can only
\nbring folks together and make people stronger.
\n–Bob<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3186, from jshook, 7 chars, Tue Jan 18 00:24:01 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3183.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

Yes.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3187, from hmccracken, 197 chars, Tue Jan 18 17:32:59 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3185.
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\nUnfortunately, I’ve heard that at least one major animation studio was
\nseriously damaged by the quake, with a lot of artwork destroyed.
\nThis may delay the productions it has in progress.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3188, from davemackey, 1052 chars, Tue Jan 18 18:05:55 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3184.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nI second those thoughts, Harry. Since the animation industry is centered in
\nthe Los Angeles area, we hope for little disruption of the industry.
\nHearing about the earthquake reminded me of a story Jack Kinney told in
\nhis book “Walt Disney And Other Assorted Characters” about Mike Balukas, who
\nwas a hearing-impaired animator. Upon moving out to the Coast from his native
\nNew York (where he had previously worked for Fleischer), he discovered that
\nhe was deathly afraid of earthquakes. In order to help him gauge if an
\nearthquake was coming he set up pencil stubs on top of his desk, hoping that
\nthe earth tremors would cause the pencils to shake, giving him a visual cue
\nto seek proper shelter.
\nWell, it wasn’t too long before the studio jokers would regularly shake
\nthe wall behind his desk, causing Balukas to go into a panic and go out into
\nthe street warning people about the impending earthquake! (I think Balukas
\neventually moved back to New York, where he would be safe from earthquakes
\nforever more.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3189, from hmccracken, 287 chars, Wed Jan 19 14:15:23 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3188.
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\nToday’s New York Times reports that the Disney studio suffered significant
\nflooding as a result of the quake. No word on whether the Disney Archives
\nwere affected. (Or whether the animation department, which I believe is
\nnot on the studio lot anymore, experienced any damage.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3190, from davemackey, 405 chars, Wed Jan 26 21:27:58 1994
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Back before he was Charles M. IV
\nUSA Network, which shows repeats of old game shows, ran today a 1984 episode
\nof “The New $25,000 Pyramid” with guest stars Markie Post and Nipsey Russell,
\nand contestant Charlie Howell, who won $1300 and gets to come back tomorrow.
\nHowell stated his occupation as a cartoon writer, you know, for “Scooby
\nDoo” and “The Jetsons”.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3191, from davemackey, 72 chars, Thu Jan 27 16:27:29 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3190.
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\nHowell’s winnings after two days: $13,200 and a trip to France. –Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3192, from hmccracken, 407 chars, Thu Jan 27 19:51:44 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3191.
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\nCartoon-related people appearing on game shows is a time-honored tradition.
\nDaws Butler, voice of Yogi Bear and a scad of other characters, appeared
\non _You Bet Your Life_ with Groucho Marx…and Jim Korkis, animation’s
\n#1 fan\/writer, has appeared on several shows, including _The Dating Game_
\n(he lost) and _The Gong Show_ (he won, as part of singing hunchback duo called
\nthe Quasimodo BelAire).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3193, from robairmackey, 234 chars, Thu Jan 27 22:23:29 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3191.
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\nWhereupon he tried to start a Hanna-Barbera theme park just outside
\nof Paris.
\n<>
\n<<AVIONNNNNN_HOMME!>>
\n<>
\n(that’s why they call me) –Robair<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3194, from davemackey, 227 chars, Fri Jan 28 06:42:36 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3192.
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\nI also remember seeing Korkis and his entire clan on “Family Feud.” And I
\nonce saw a layout\/storyboard artist for Ruby-Spears named Emilie Kong on
\n“Super Password.” She won quite a bit of money.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3195, from davemackey, 221 chars, Fri Jan 28 23:32:53 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3190.
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\nAfter three days Charlie Howell IV won $15,100 and a trip to Paris and will
\nreturn on Monday’s show.
\n(Wouldn’t it be easier to get a hold of Howell himself and ask him
\nhow much he won? And if he has any of it left?)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3196, from linkster, 291 chars, Sun Jan 30 12:33:32 1994
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: The Lion King…
\nis supposed a classic already. In this month’s _Previews_ which details
\nwhat is scheduled to ship in \u001b April. They have a book version of the Lion
\nKing with “classic” in the title. It’s not even out to theatres yet.
\nThere goes the Disney ego again.<\/p>\n

LInk<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3197, from hmccracken, 435 chars, Sun Jan 30 14:21:22 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3196.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nYup, Link, Disney deems all its new cartoons “classics” before they’re even
\nreleased these days. I think this actually stems from the Don Bluth studio,
\nwhich called their approach to animation — which was basically to out-
\nDisney Disney — “classical animation.”<\/p>\n

The sad thing is, Disney may actually make a classic someday, and it’ll
\nbe hard to tell because they’ve been the little boy who cried “Classic!”
\nfor so long.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3198, from elfhive, 90 chars, Sun Jan 30 15:26:15 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3197.
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\nThen we’ll have to decide whether it’s classic baroque, rococo, romantic
\nor rock&roll \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3199, from hmccracken, 454 chars, Mon Jan 31 12:17:00 1994
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Is the President a Harvey Comics reader?
\n“I’m a lot like Baby Huey. I’m fat. I’m ugly. But if you push me
\ndown, I keep coming back. I just keep coming back.”
\n— President Bill Clinton, as quoted in this
\nweek’s issue of _Time_.<\/p>\n

The President is not only almost assuredly the first to compare
\nhimself with Baby Huey, either publicly or privately — but also,
\nI’ll wager, the first to know who Baby Huey is!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3200, from hshubs, 95 chars, Tue Feb 1 01:10:24 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3199.
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\nDo we -want- a president who is comparable to Baby Huey? Remember,
\nno one liked -him- either.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3201, from hmccracken, 81 chars, Tue Feb 1 14:04:36 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3200.
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\n“Duh, you’re the Republicans! And I think you’re tryin’ ta
\n*kill* me!”
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3202, from robairmackey, 3333 chars, Tue Feb 1 22:09:05 1994
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\nTITLE: Hal Smith Credits
\nHal Smith, veteran voiceover artist and actor, died this past Thursday.
\nHerewith, his animation credits.
\nTHEATRICAL RELEASES
\nWinnie the Pooh series (Winnie the Pooh, Owl)
\nMOVIES
\nThe Adventures of the American Rabbit (1986): Mentor
\nFantastic Planet (1973)
\nTELEVISION SPECIALS
\nThe Bollo Caper (1985): Clamper Carstair, Lion, Iceberg, Emperor
\nCabbage Patch Kids First Christmas (1984): Colonel Casey
\nCap’n O.G. Readmore’s Jack and the Beanstalk (1985): Giant,
\nLittle Old Man
\nCasper’s First Christmas (1979): Santa
\nA Christmas Story (1972): Fatcat, Santa
\nDisney’s Fluppy Dogs (1986): Haimish, Dink, Attendant
\nDr. Seuss’ Hallowe’en is Grinch Night (1977): Grandpa Joseph
\nDr. Seuss’ The Hoober Bloob Highway
\nGarfield in Paradise (1986): Background
\nGarfield in the Rough (1984): Dicky Beaver
\nThe Great Bear Scare (1982): C. Emory Bear
\nHappy Easter (Davey and Goliath, 1967): Goliath, John
\nHere Comes Garfield (1982): Reba, Skinny
\nLittle Rascals Christmas Special (1979): Uncle Hominy
\nMiss Switch to the Rescue (1982): Smirch
\nNew Year Promise (Davey and Goliath, 1967): Goliath, John
\nThe Night Before Christmas (1968): probably Santa
\nNo Man’s Valley (1981): George
\nRobin Hoodnik (1972): Donkey, Buzzard, Town Crier
\nSanta and the Three Bears (1970): Grandfather, Ranger
\nSchool…Who Needs It? (Davey and Goliath, 1971): Goliath
\nTabitha and Adam and the Clown Family (1972): Third Cyclone,
\nMuscles, Boris
\nThe Thanksgiving that Almost Wasn’t (1972): Jeremy Squirrel, Dad
\nThis is America, Charlie Brown–The Birth of the Constitution
\n(1988): Benjamin Franklin, George Washington
\nTIACB–The Smithsonian and the Presidency (1989): John Muir
\nTo the Rescue (Davey and Goliath, 1975): Goliath, John
\nVelveteen Rabbit (1985): Spinner
\nWinnie the Pooh and the Honey Tree (1970): Owl
\nYogi’s First Christmas (1980): Santa, Otto
\nTELEVISION SERIES
\nAbbott and Costello (1967)
\nAdventures of the Little Prince (1982): Swifty
\nCaptain Fathom (1965)
\nClutch Cargo (1957): Swampy
\nDavey and Goliath (1960): Goliath
\nDucktales (1987): Gyro Gearloose, Flintheart Glomgold
\nFrankenstein Jr. and the Impossibles (1966): Coil Man
\nThe Funny Company (1963): Dr. Von Upp, Belly Laguna, Dr. Goodheart
\nFurther Adventures of Dr. Dolittle (1970): Dr. Dolittle
\nHong Kong Phooey (1974)
\nJeannie (1973)
\nJokebook (1982)
\nMeatballs and Spaghetti (1982)
\nNew Adventures of Huck Finn (1967)
\nNew Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1988): Owl
\nPartridge Family: 2200 AD (1974)
\nPeter Potamus and His Magic Flying Balloon (1964): Peter Potamus,
\nYappee, The King
\nThe Popeye and Olive Show (1981): Colonel Crump
\nRoman Holidays (1972): Tycoonius
\nSpace Angel (1962)
\nTom and Jerry\/Grape Ape Show (1975)
\nas well as hundreds of guest spots on Yogi, Flintstones, etc.
\nRemember him as Will Carson, frenetic TV Host of “The Prize is
\nPriced”?
\nRemember him as the sour clown at Felix’ daughter’s birthday party?
\nAnd his legendary jellybean dance?
\nBut of course we all remember him as hopeless, harmless town
\ninebriate Otis on “The Andy Griffith Show.”
\nOf course Dave will do a better job than I on the Obit side in
\nthe next APAtoons.
\n–Robair<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3203, from hmccracken, 307 chars, Fri Feb 4 15:25:25 1994
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\nTITLE: Corben Exhibit in Massachusetts
\n“Heavy Metal Nightmares: The Art of Richard Corben” will be
\non display at the Words and Pictures Museum in Northampton,
\nMass. from February 1st until April 16th. Corben is the
\nairbrush-wielding fantasy artist whose work was especially
\npopular in the 1970s.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3204, from davemackey, 681 chars, Fri Feb 4 16:42:32 1994
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Pepe Ruiz
\nAnimator and labor organizer Pepe Ruiz died at a hospital near his
\nNew Jersey home on December 10. He was 86.
\nMr. Ruiz had been hospitalized since April of 1992 when he
\nsuffered severe injuries after being struck by a car driven by
\nsoul singer Wilson Pickett.
\nKnown more for his union activities than his animation work —
\nhe worked for studios on both coasts — he founded Local 841 of
\nthe Motion Picture Screen Cartoonists in 1943, serving New
\nYork City. There, the 35-hour work week for animators became
\nstandard.
\nAfter he retired, he worked in a library in northern New
\nJersey.
\n(Thanx to Pam Scoville for the information…) –Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3205, from hmccracken, 68 chars, Fri Feb 4 17:39:07 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3204.
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\nThis is the Pepe Ruiz mentioned in Shamus Culhane’s book?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3206, from davemackey, 228 chars, Sat Feb 5 17:12:03 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3205.
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\nYes, it most certainly is. Could you summarize Mr. Culhane’s thoughts on the
\nlate Mr. Ruiz, for those of us not fortunate enough to have their very own
\ncopy of “Talking Animals And Other People”?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3207, from hmccracken, 745 chars, Sat Feb 5 18:14:15 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3206.
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\nWhen Shamus owned his own animation studio in the 1950s, Ruiz put a lot
\nof effort into stirring up the employees, which naturally didn’t
\nplease Shamus all that much: “To me, he epitomized what was
\nbasically wrong with this particular union…It was no surprise that
\na boss-hater like Ruiz was elected to the office of business
\nagent….Using a kind of pavlovian semantics, he made sure that
\nthe membership was contstantly reminded that bosses were inherently
\nnrutal, greedy villains.”<\/p>\n

In fairness to Shamus, the final chapter of his book is an interview
\nwith Ruiz, which he (Shamus) did because he felt his coverage of
\nRuiz had been quite harsh in the rest of the book, and he wanted
\nto allow Ruiz to defend himself if he so desired.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3208, from hmccracken, 348 chars, Sun Feb 6 19:39:17 1994
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\nHappy Birthday, Smokey Bear
\nSmokey Bear, to whom few in this conference should need an
\nintroduction, turns 50 in 1994. To celebrate, the Fernbank
\nMuseum of Natural History in Atlanta is holding a Smokey
\nexhibit, featuring comic books, posters, and other material.
\nIt’s on until March 14th, after which it will travel around
\nthe country.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3209, from hmccracken, 313 chars, Sun Feb 6 19:41:22 1994
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\nTITLE: Meet George Booth
\nGeorge Booth, creator of manic dogs and cats and offbeat men and women
\nin _The New Yorker_ since the the 1950s, will be autographing posters
\nand books at Lord & Taylor’s in Manhattan next Friday from
\n12:30 to 1:30. The appearance is in conjunction with an Adopt-a-Pet
\nprogram.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3210, from hshubs, 32 chars, Sun Feb 6 20:32:17 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3208.
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\nUh, Smokey Bear died years ago.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3211, from hmccracken, 318 chars, Sun Feb 6 20:46:13 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3210.
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\nYou mean the actual cub that was rescued from a forest fire
\nor somesuch, Howard? Undoubtedly. (I’m not up on bear
\nlifespans, but I assume they’re way under five decades.)
\nBut like Lassie and Morris the Cat, the death of a
\nparticular living beast doesn’t seem to stand in Smokey’s
\nway. He’ll outlive us all!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3212, from hshubs, 152 chars, Sun Feb 6 22:14:37 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3211.
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\nYes, I mean the bear itself. Died in the 1980s, if I remember what
\nI heard. I remember seeing it in the DC zoo when I was a small child
\nin the 1960s.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3213, from jshook, 124 chars, Sun Feb 6 23:18:58 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3208.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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How long has he been referred to as “Smokey Bear”? Seems like
\nwhen I was a kid we always called him “Smokey *the* Bear.”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3214, from jshook, 139 chars, Sun Feb 6 23:20:46 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3210.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

Last year I visited the grave of the original fire-preventing
\nursine in El Capitan, New Mexico. I can’t remember when he
\ndied, ‘though.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3215, from dgh, 141 chars, Mon Feb 7 01:44:31 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3213.
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\nI agree. “Smokey the Bear” refers to our fire preventing friend, while
\n“Smokey Bear” is CB lingo for “Highway Patrol”.<\/p>\n

,
\n|) \/\\ \\\/ | +)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3216, from hshubs, 106 chars, Mon Feb 7 04:01:01 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3214.
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\nI assume that’s the area he came from, no? I’d never thought to ask
\nthat one. I just knew he was in DC.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3217, from nicolas, 236 chars, Mon Feb 7 05:31:11 1994
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\nTITLE: EuroDisney misery
\nThose that are interested in the problems at EuroDisney might be
\ninterested in an article in this weeks The Economist. Check out pages
\n69-70 of the february 5th- 11th issue.
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3218, from hmccracken, 404 chars, Mon Feb 7 09:03:10 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3215.
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\nI always thought so too, but whoever-it-is-that-sponsors-Smokey
\nhas run a series of public service messages over the past
\ncouple of years, the entire point of which is that he’s
\n“Smokey Bear,” *not* “Smokey the Bear.” According to the
\nad, this is so because “you wouldn’t call the Easter
\nBunny ‘Easter the Bunny,’ would you?”<\/p>\n

Seems to me they have too much money and\/or time on their
\nhands…
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3219, from cjustiniano, 379 chars, Mon Feb 7 09:04:34 1994
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\n*** Moved from animation\/about.listings #172 of Mon Feb 7 01:55:08 1994
\nTITLE: Animator \\ Graphics Artist Wanted
\nI work for a computer game company that is currently looking for a
\ncomputer artist interested in some contract work. We’re working on a
\ngame that will be released in early july. Send me email if
\ninterested. Artist should have experience with rendering software.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3220, from jshook, 239 chars, Tue Feb 8 22:52:09 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3218.
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\n————————–<\/p>\n

Surely the argument is based on false analogy. We wouldn’t say “Statue
\nof the Liberty” either, but that’s not what people are doing when they
\nsay “Smokey the Bear.” So we’re to start using “Atilla Hun” and
\n“Rudolf Red-nosed Reindeer”?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3221, from jshook, 362 chars, Tue Feb 8 22:55:56 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3216.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

Yes..he was discovered as a cub orphaned by a forest fire, so we can
\nassume his public service work has deeply Freudian genesis. That’s
\nabout all I remember–I blush to say I didn’t pay much attention
\nat the time, little realising I would be expected to provide such
\nbiographical information. But I’ll just bet the NPS has a pamphlet
\nyou can write away for.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3222, from hmccracken, 42 chars, Tue Feb 8 23:23:51 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3220.
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\nYou may be right.
\n— Harry the McCracken<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3223, from hmccracken, 898 chars, Wed Feb 9 23:44:52 1994
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\nTITLE: Reference Works on Animation
\nThis is actually a response to elfhive’s query in the sources topic.
\nAs far as a general reference work on the history of animation
\ngoes — I know of no book that covers *everything*, no matter what
\nera or country. If we’re limiting ourselves to American animation,
\nand primarily theatrical animation from its origins to about 1967
\nat that, Leonard Maltin’s _Of Mice and Magic_ is the book to have.
\nIn fact, if you can only have one book on cartoons, it’s the one
\nto get.<\/p>\n

There are two central Looney Tunes reference works. If what you
\nwant is hardcore data, credits, and plots for every Warner Bros.
\ncartoon ever made, get Beck and Friedwald’s _Looney Tunes and
\nMerrie Melodies_. If you want a narrative history of the studio
\nand the people behind the films, get Steve Schneider’s
\n_That’s All Folks_. Both are indispensable.<\/p>\n

Any other suggestions?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3224, from hmccracken, 348 chars, Thu Feb 10 23:14:09 1994
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\nTITLE: _7 Minutes: the Life and Death of the American Animated Cartoon_…
\nis the title of a new book by one Norman M. Klein, published by
\nVerso. I just bought a copy, but haven’t sat down to read it
\nyet. I have, however, looked closely enough to see our own
\nHugh Kenner quoted on the dustjacket and in the footnotes.
\nAny comments, Hugh?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3225, from hkenner, 145 chars, Thu Feb 10 23:27:40 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3224.
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\nNorm has been writing that book for ages. I was seeing chapter
\ndrafts several years ago. Have not read the final version in its
\nentirety.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3226, from hmccracken, 870 chars, Fri Feb 11 10:01:41 1994
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\nTITLE: Raymond Scott
\nA user on another service which shall remain nameless (oh, okay, it’s
\nCompuServe) has reported that Raymond Scott has passed away.
\nScott is the excellent composer and big-band conductor whose
\noffbeat music was woven into many Warner Bros. cartoon scores
\nby Carl Stalling. In the last two or three years, there
\nhas been an explosion of new interest in Scott’s work, which
\nhas appeared on several CDs and has been used in the
\n_Ren and Stimpy_ show.<\/p>\n

There’s no way to explain Scott’s work in words, except that
\nhe was sort of a Spike Jones without the zaniness, and that
\nhis titles — “Dinner Music for a Pack of Hungry Cannibals”
\nis typical — give some clue as to what sort of music he
\ncomposed.<\/p>\n

Scott had been very ill for many years, and it is unclear
\nif he was aware of his newfound popularity, six decades
\nafter his initial success.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3227, from hshubs, 220 chars, Fri Feb 11 14:01:32 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3226.
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\nThis is bad news in a way. I’m glad he’s no longer suffering, but
\nI certainly hope that he was aware of the CDs and such. I suspect
\nhe was, as they had to use his collection of recordings to make
\nat least one of them.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3228, from hmccracken, 208 chars, Fri Feb 11 18:22:38 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3227.
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\nI don’t know if Raymond was aware, but Mrs. Scott, who is
\nsubstantially younger than her husband was, participated
\nin the production of the CDs and was gratified by the
\nrediscovery of Scott’s work.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3229, from switch, 170 chars, Fri Feb 11 20:38:34 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3228.
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\nI only skimmed the Raymond Scott Project liner notes, but I believe he didn’t
\nlike the idea of his tunes being used in cartoons. I’ll double-check and
\npost later.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3230, from davemackey, 188 chars, Fri Feb 11 20:43:31 1994
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\nTITLE: It’s signed, sealed, delivered
\nA news report on E! confirms that Chuck Jones has signed a contract to
\nproduce animation for Warner Bros. once again.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3231, from hkenner, 55 chars, Fri Feb 11 21:36:46 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3230.
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\nHeck, I knew that *months* ago. Where’s E! been?
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3232, from davemackey, 140 chars, Sat Feb 12 09:51:37 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3226.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nI’ll call Irwin Chusid on Monday and see if I can get some more hard and fast
\ndata regarding Scott’s death.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3233, from switch, 278 chars, Sat Feb 12 22:29:37 1994
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\nTITLE: Eat at Joe’s
\nI’ve been ODing on Tex Avery laserdiscs for the last few days, and I have to
\nwonder: did anyone ever open a restaurant called “Joe’s” in order to
\ncapitalize on all the free cartoon advertising?<\/p>\n

Emru
\nPS: Red is the sexiest cartoon character ever, bar none.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3234, from srider, 94 chars, Sun Feb 13 12:16:46 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3233.
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There’s a restaurant\/bar about 1\/4 miles down the road from my house
\ncalled “Joe’s Place”.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3235, from hmccracken, 376 chars, Sun Feb 13 12:55:47 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3234.
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\n…and in a similar vein that’s appropriate for this conference,
\nWilkes-Barre, Pa. has Joe Palooka’s Diner, a vintage place that’s
\nbeen restored and now sports a neon sign of comic-strip boxer
\nJoe Palooka. Ham Fisher, Joe’s ill-fated creator, was a Wilkes-
\nBarre lad. The diner sells handsome t-shirts, emblazoned with
\nJoe’s likeness and the legend “EAT AT JOE’S.”
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3236, from hkenner, 28 chars, Sun Feb 13 14:01:57 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3235.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nHam Fisher ill-fated? How?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3237, from hmccracken, 1613 chars, Sun Feb 13 16:41:53 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3236.
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\nIt’s a long and sad story, but here’s a capsule version: a few
\nyears before he launched _Li’l Abner_, Al Capp took a job as
\nFisher’s assistant on _Joe Palooka_. Soon, he was apparently
\ndoing much of the writing and drawing himself. (Fisher was
\nnever much of an artist and leaned heavily on his assistants.)<\/p>\n

During this period, a family of hillbillies began appearing
\nin _Palooka_ and became popular. Then, Capp created and
\nsold _Li’l Abner_, and left Fisher’s employ. _Abner_, of
\ncourse, became *very* popular, which gnawed at Fisher.
\nWhenever _Palooka_’s hillbilly characters reappeared,
\ncaptions would remind readers that these were the
\noriginal comic-strip hillbillies, suggesting that
\n_Abner_ was a rip-off (and not mentioning Capp’s
\nhand in the Palooka characters’ creation).<\/p>\n

Things got worse in the 1950s. Fisher began a one-man
\ncrusdae to get Capp thrown out of the National
\nCartoonists’ Society, on the grounds that Capp
\nsecretly inserted pornographic references in _Abner_.
\nWhile Capp did indeed make his share of off-color
\ngags (as witness his blonde bombshell character
\n“Apassionata Von Climax”), Ham Fisher *forged*
\nexamples of _Abner_ to back up his claim.<\/p>\n

His fraud was obvious — and the NCS expelled Fisher,
\ninstead of Capp. Fisher killed himself not long
\nthereafter.<\/p>\n

In comic-strip fan circles, this unhappy story is
\nwhat Fisher is perhaps best remembered for.
\nHowever, when I think of Fisher, I recall the
\nfact that my grandfather attended grade school
\nwith him, and had a few amsuing Fisher stories
\nhe’d tell (none of which had to do with
\nyoung Ham being a cartooning prodigy).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3238, from hkenner, 239 chars, Sun Feb 13 17:49:37 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3237.
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\nThanks, Harry! That’s *very* engrossing. All I’d known was that
\nCapp was Fisher’s employee. I seem to remember him somewhere (in
\na L’il Abner sequence?) portraying himself locked in a closet with
\na candle, grinding out drawings.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3239, from hmccracken, 309 chars, Sun Feb 13 18:01:18 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3238.
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\nThat’s right. My recap neglected to mention that Capp was carrying
\non his own side of the feud all along, by including at least
\none nefarious cartoonist based on Fisher in _Abner_ and by writing
\na memoir of his time with Fisher (“I Remember Monster”) for the
\n_Atlantic Monthly_, among other things.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3240, from hmccracken, 587 chars, Mon Feb 14 22:23:13 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3229.
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\n]Raymond Scott’s obituary in last Wednesday’s _New York Times_ provides the
\nfollowing tidbits about his life: he was born Harry Warnow and didn’t
\nchange his name until he was well into his 20s; he called his band
\nthe Raymond Scott Quintet, even thoiugh it had only four members;
\nand he invented numerous electronic musical instruments, beginning
\nin the late 1940s. Berry Gordy, head of Motown Records, hired Scott
\nto head the electornic music division of Motown, a post Scott held
\nuntil 1977. Scott also served as bandleader for _Your Hit Parade_
\nfor seven years in the 1950s.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3241, from davemackey, 291 chars, Tue Feb 15 15:58:31 1994
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Ken Moore
\nKen Moore, animation cameraman, died on January 11 of pneumonia at the age of
\n85. Mr. Moore was camera operator for Warner Bros. cartoons during that
\nstudio’s golden age and also worked for Disney and Hanna-Barbera.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3242, from davemackey, 334 chars, Tue Feb 15 20:01:10 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3232.
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\nI didn’t need to call Chusid. I found the Variety obituary, which said that
\nRaymond Scott died on February 8 (one week ago) of pneumonia. He had broken a
\nshoulder in a fall a week prior to that. Variety noted his music’s liberal
\nuse in animation in shows like “Buggs Bunny” (sic) and “Ren And Stimpy.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3243, from hkenner, 444 chars, Fri Feb 18 12:48:52 1994
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\nTITLE: Chuck Jones
\nAccording to an AP item, 200 people showed up last Monday at the
\nNew York Warner Bros. Studio Store when Chuck Jones was there for
\na cel signing.<\/p>\n

Jones, 81, “said he’s working on a new Bugs Bunny short that will
\nair before movies this fall. … He said Bugs, Daffy, Elmer and
\nthe rest of the Looney Tunes gang help keep him young.<\/p>\n

“‘What you hope you can do is die young at the latest point
\nin time’, Jones said.”<\/p>\n

–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3244, from hmccracken, 168 chars, Fri Feb 18 13:23:27 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3243.
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\nThat’s great (although 200 people is (are?) small potatoes — I’ve seen
\nJones fill an auditorium with a capacity of several thousand to
\nstanding-room-only).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3245, from hshubs, 111 chars, Fri Feb 18 13:25:05 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3243.
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\nThe man has a great attitude, no argument. Maybe that’s why he’s
\nstill around after so many others have died?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3246, from davemackey, 393 chars, Fri Feb 18 18:57:40 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3230.
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\nNot only is Chuck Jones coming back to Warner Bros., but they have also hired
\nMaurice Noble to work with him on production design.
\nAnd it’s weird, because I heard this report on the radio the other day
\nnot five minutes after it was reported that another gentleman named Chuck
\nJones was found guilty of stealing and fondling the shoes of Mrs. Donald
\nTrump.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3247, from hkenner, 114 chars, Fri Feb 18 21:37:55 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3246.
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\nAnd there’s a third Chuck Jones here in Athens (GA) who plays in a band
\nand is loosely referred to as “God.”
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3248, from mcsuman, 446 chars, Fri Feb 18 22:16:41 1994
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\nTITLE: How to?
\nWell, this is kinda disappointing, I think, or else I haven’t found
\nthe right channel.
\nGetting tired of bugs in operating systems (they multiply faster
\nthan rabbits).
\nSeemed like time to try something new, why not computer animation.
\nFigured that I’d just log into the animation conference and find
\nout how to do it.
\nBut it seems that all that’s here is talk about what others have
\ndone.
\nHave I got it right?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3249, from hmccracken, 207 chars, Fri Feb 18 23:21:42 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3248.
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\nWe definitely talk about creating computer animation in this
\nconference, Mike. Check out the animation\/bit.by.bit topic.
\nWe’ve got several folks who create computer animation online,
\nincluding me.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3250, from hmccracken, 406 chars, Fri Feb 18 23:27:18 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3247.
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\nThere is a distinguished tradition of animators whose names are
\nthe same as those of other famous people, as witness Bob Clampett
\n(no relation to the golfer, who calls himself Bobby) and
\nDisney animator Cy Young (no relation to the baseball player).
\nCome to think of it, MGM’s composer Scott Bradley and
\nDisney animator Frank Thomas are no relations to the
\nidentically-named ballplayers, either.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3251, from dgh, 662 chars, Sat Feb 19 04:51:12 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3218.
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\nGoing by their logic, we should be calling him “The Smokey Bear”.<\/p>\n

But, the bunny’s name is *not* Easter. He’s simply the bunny *of* easter,
\nso Easter Bunny is appropriate.<\/p>\n

Smokey the Bear is *not* the bear of smokey, so Smokey Bear is *not*
\nappropriate. His name is Smokey and he’s a bear, and Smokey the Bear
\nbecame a popular way to address him. His name is *not* Smokey Bear,
\nhe *is* Smokey the Bear. I’ll bet you that some snot-nosed upstart
\nwho has *no* concept of Smokey’s history came up with the *stupid*
\nidea of “correcting” his name. The *moron* should be fired without
\nwarning!
\n,
\n|) \/\\ \\\/ | +)<\/p>\n

Upset? Who, me? Whatever gave you that idea?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3252, from hmccracken, 152 chars, Sun Feb 20 17:15:04 1994
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\nTITLE: Check out today’s _Boston Sunday Globe_…
\nfor an interesting story on the state of Boston’s thriving
\nindependent animation community.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3253, from davemackey, 85 chars, Sun Feb 20 18:01:28 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3250.
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\nYou didn’t even bring up the two Ken Muses. Amazing.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3254, from hmccracken, 498 chars, Sun Feb 20 21:17:14 1994
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\nTITLE: CalArts and the Quake
\nHere’s a late piece of news related to the Los Angeles earthquake that
\nmay not have been reported elsewhere. CalArts, the art school founded
\nby Walt Disney which trains a goodly percentage of the young animators
\nentering the industry today, suffered serious damage in the quake,
\nincluding structural damage to its main building so severe that it
\nmay be beyond repair. Some classes have relocated to a Lockheed plant
\nin Valencia, where CalArts makes its home.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3255, from hmccracken, 532 chars, Tue Feb 22 18:02:16 1994
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\nTITLE: Finally
\nIt used to be that only four things in all the world were
\ncertain: death, taxes, Eustace Tilley appearing on the front cover of _The
\nNew Yorker_ every February, and _Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs_ being a
\nclosely guarded treasure that Disney would never release on video.<\/p>\n

We’re down to only two certainties in life. Disney announced today
\nthat _Snow White_ would will be available on videotape this Fall.
\nNo word yet on pricing and other details, but look for it to be
\npriced at a tempting $20 or less.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3256, from hmccracken, 657 chars, Thu Feb 24 21:13:40 1994
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\nTITLE: Bulgarian Urban Legend?
\nOn CNN’s financial news show today, the anchor retracted a story
\nthat the show — and, apparently, a bunch of other news sources —
\nreported yesterday, concerning a Bulgarian fellow whose family
\nhad supposedly invested some money in Disney stock during the
\n1940s. The stock was seized by the USSR, so the story goes, and
\nwas recently returned to its rightful owner, now worth $4 million.<\/p>\n

The story was apparently presented as part of a Disney presentation
\nof some sort — but the company said today that it was totally
\nficticious, and meant only to illustrate how much the company’s
\nvalue had grown over the years.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3257, from hmccracken, 627 chars, Thu Feb 24 22:03:48 1994
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\nTITLE: RIP, Dinah Shore
\nWhat a terrible year it’s been for animation-related personalities!
\nDinah Shore has passed away of cancer, at the age of 76. She was,
\nof course, primarily a popular singer — and in later years, a
\ntalk-show hostess — but I’ll always have a soft spot for her work
\nas narrator of the “Bongo” segment of Walt Disney’s 1940s animated
\nfeature _Fun and Fancy Free_.<\/p>\n

(“Bongo,” by the way, was based on a story by Sinclair Lewis — and
\ngiven that it’s the tale of a circus bear who finds love, it must
\nbe a pretty atypical Lewis work. I’d love to read it, but have
\nnever seen it in print anywhere.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3258, from hmccracken, 353 chars, Fri Feb 25 17:53:26 1994
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\nTITLE: See today’s _New York Times_…
\nfor an engaging appreciation of Charles Addams, tying in with the current
\nAddams exhibit in New York City. The piece is by Paul Rudnick, who
\nworked on the scripts for both _Addams Family_ movies; if the movies
\nhad had as much insight into Addams’ work as this article, they would
\nhave been much better.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3259, from robairmackey, 263 chars, Fri Feb 25 20:56:01 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3257.
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\nBut the one greatest contribution Dinah made to cartoon culture was her
\ncaricature in the “Beany and Cecil” series as the singing “Dinah-Sore.”
\nShe even did her trademark “mmmm-wah!” kiss blow at the end.
\n–Robair<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3260, from davemackey, 325 chars, Sat Feb 26 11:59:56 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3258.
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\nFunny how this is relevant: I saw “Addams Family Values” last night and part
\nof “The Addams Family” today on cable. The first movie was definitely better,
\nbut both were quite good. The second had the added value ingredient Joan
\nCusack. That definitely kept my interest up during the lulls. \ud83d\ude09
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3261, from hshubs, 164 chars, Sat Feb 26 12:48:08 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3260.
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\nThe problem with the second movie that that there was someone in there
\nwho didn’t understand the Addams Family concept. Where did worshipping
\nevil come into this?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3262, from hkenner, 336 chars, Sat Feb 26 15:25:35 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3260.
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\nBy “the first movie” do you mean the first one made–that’s *The
\nAddams Family*–or the first one mentioned–that’s *The Addams Family
\nValues*? In short, is it AF or AFV that you judge “definitely better”?
\nI’ve not seen AFV, but most reviews I read deemed it an improvement
\nover AF, which was a string of incidents with no story.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3263, from davemackey, 128 chars, Sat Feb 26 17:10:03 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3262.
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\nHugh, I thought “Addams Family” was definitely better than “Addams
\nFamily Values.” I thought “AFV” to be too muddled. –Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3264, from hmccracken, 421 chars, Sat Feb 26 21:30:27 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3263.
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\nI share your sentiments, Dave. Neither movie is exactly rich in
\nwell-developed plot — both storylines are much like ones from
\nthe TV series, except stretched three times as long — but
\n_Addams I_ hews closer to the Charles Addams spirit overall.<\/p>\n

_Addams II_ is okay, but it’s clear that the only reason
\nit was made was financial. It offers absolutely nothing
\nnew over the first film (except for Joan Cusack).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3265, from elfhive, 713 chars, Sun Feb 27 17:02:14 1994
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\nTITLE: Lenburg Books
\nI’ve just picked up the latest editions of “The Great Cartoon Directors,”
\nand “The Encyclopedia of Animated Cartoons.” I note with some trepidation
\nDave Mackey’s earlier comments on errors since I’m looking for references
\nthat I can use in my upcoming article for LaserViews.
\nDave, you’ve already mentioned “The American Tail” mistake, any other
\nmajor problems I should be aware of that you have handy?<\/p>\n

Incidentally, for those who delight in typos, the liner notes for
\nthe laserdisc release of “The Secret of NIMH” contains the following
\nbeauty:<\/p>\n

“. . . Mrs Brisby, the mother mouse, gets help from a wonderfully klutzy
\n_cow_, a wise owl, and some highly intelligent rats.” [emphasis added]<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3266, from hmccracken, 708 chars, Sun Feb 27 17:54:09 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3265.
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\nGreg — Lenburg’s _Encyclopedia_ is a problematic book. There’s
\na great deal of useful information, but there are also so many
\nmistakes of so many kinds that I’d be nervous about relying on
\nit to research any area I wasn’t already pretty familiar with.<\/p>\n

I haven’t seen the new edition of his _Great Cartoon Directors_,
\nbut the one of ten years ago doesn’t even have the _Encyclopedia’s_
\ngood points. Again, full of mistakes, and full of material slightly
\nrephrased from other sources, I believe. And Lenburg is no critic.<\/p>\n

As an alternative to Lenburg’s Encyclopedia, consider buying
\nGeorge Woolery’s books, which are available from Whole Toon.
\nThey’re just as exhaustive, and much more reliable.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3267, from elfhive, 504 chars, Sun Feb 27 20:26:52 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3266.
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\nThanks, Harry. I’ll look into getting the Woolery books but I’m afraid
\nthat I’m going to have to proceed with the article before I can get
\nthem delivered. It’s disappointing about the Lenburg books. I’m
\nmostly interested in chronology so I may end up asking for
\nconfirmation here. Also, I used his listing of personnel from the
\nDisney feature films as a source for what films Bluth worked on and
\nin what capacity. I’m not so much concerned with leaving out something
\nas I am with perpetuating an error.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3268, from robairmackey, 726 chars, Tue Mar 1 18:42:21 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3267.
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\nGood point about the Lenburg books. I have much to gripe about with
\nhis books and his lack of accuracy as regards spelling, titles, and
\nyears. His index to the Encyclopedia is virtually useless because page
\nnumbers don’t always match up to the pages the stuff is really on. I
\nsubmitted a Hal Smith “cartoonography” shortly after his death, and it took
\nme two hours to search the pages in the index–as well as the adjoining
\npages–to get the titles of his works.
\nMany of the titles in his listings of Hanna-Barbera series are
\nwrong, too. I know there are even some inaccuracies in voice crediting.
\n(But then the H-B 50th Anniversary book had a few!)
\n–Robair<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3269, from davemackey, 1193 chars, Wed Mar 2 05:56:20 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3268.
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\nAs you probably know, Mark Evanier did a hell of a job getting some corrected
\ninformation on the Hanna-Barbera voice credits — an area on which he is a
\nnoted expert — to Facts On File for use in the second edition. He doesn’t
\nthink all those corrections made it in.
\nAmong the errors I’ve noted were in series titles and some proper names
\nwere positively mangled. Warner Bros. animator Warren Batchelder is
\nconsistently identified as “Warren Batchelor” for his work on the 80’s WB
\nfeature films.
\nOn the bright side, they did straighten out a lot of the DePatie-Freleng
\ndirector credits — but not all. But it’s in DePatie-Freleng that the single
\nmost glaring error in Lenburg’s book appears: he lists “Never Bug An Ant” as
\na 1966 cartoon and the first entry in “The Ant And The Aardvark” series,
\nwhile “NBAA” was actually made in 1969 and was the fourth or fifth series
\nentry; the first was a film called, um, “The Ant And The Aardvark.”
\nI think the Lenburg book is a good basic reference for animation
\nscholars needing to know rudimentary facts, but you really have to know your
\narea of interest well to be able to use his information wisely.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3270, from hmccracken, 456 chars, Thu Mar 3 22:50:20 1994
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\nTITLE: Syracuse Cinefest
\nFor the third year, Dave Mackey, yrs. truly, and some other crazy cartoon
\nfans will be getting together at the Cinefest film convention in Syracuse,
\nN.Y. this weekend. We will be having a more-or-less continuous animation
\nparty and screening from tomorrow night until Sunday morning, held at
\nthe Days Inn and Quality Inn where the convention is being held. If
\nyou happen to be in the neighborhood, please join us!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3271, from ggarramuno, 360 chars, Thu Mar 3 23:44:56 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3254.
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\nDo you have any other news regarding Cal Arts? Any professors, students,
\nhurt? Any other buildings damaged? How will this influence their classes
\nand their acceptance of new students?
\nI am asking because I applied to Cal Arts for next semester. I had heard
\nthey had had some problems with the quake but not that they were THAT
\nsevere.<\/p>\n

– Gonzalo Garramuno<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3272, from hmccracken, 237 chars, Fri Mar 4 00:42:22 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3271.
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\nI haven’t heard any other details, Gonzalo. We can only hope for the
\nbest; a large percentage of the young animation talent in the country
\ncomes out of CalArts.<\/p>\n

Good luck with your application! What are you planning to study?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3273, from ggarramuno, 370 chars, Sat Mar 5 00:11:25 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3272.
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\nMy major will be experimental animation (ie. “anything goes” animation). My
\nmain interest is computer animation, since that’s where I have more experience
\n(I worked for a year and a half as a computer animator for a tv studio in my
\nhome country), but I would not be surprised if I decide to expand my
\nhorizons to other forms of animation (clay, stop-motion, cel, etc).<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3274, from switch, 461 chars, Sat Mar 5 21:35:49 1994
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\nTITLE: John Candy, RIP
\nJohn Candy passed away yesterday at the age of, I think, 42. I don’t think
\nhe needs any explanation — from Second City to his various movies, he’s a
\nfairly well-known comedic figure (my favourite of his films is PLANES, TRAINS
\nAND AUTOMOBILES.) He apparently died of a cardiac arrest, while sleeping.<\/p>\n

This is animation-related, if marginally — he did the voice of the bird
\ncharacter (I forget the name) in RESCUERS DOWN UNDER.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3275, from srider, 85 chars, Sun Mar 6 13:12:14 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3274.
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\nHe also voiced ‘Den of Earth’ in Heavy Metal. (You should know that one,
\nEmru! \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3276, from linkster, 544 chars, Sun Mar 6 13:14:26 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3274.
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\nAlso he supplied the voices to several characters in HEAVY METAL the 1979
\nmovie with Harold Ramis. He was the Robot in “So Beautiful, So Dangerous”
\nand Dan\/Den in the “Den” segment. I also think he voiced the desk sgt.
\nin “Harry Canyon”. I’ll have to double check the credits on that one.<\/p>\n

If you play close attention to the animator credits you’ll see some big names
\nremember seeing Howard Chaykin’s name and I think I saw Dave Dorman’s name
\nas well. I’ll have to watch the credits again and play closer attention.<\/p>\n

LInk<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3277, from ggarramuno, 377 chars, Sun Mar 6 14:21:51 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3276.
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\nTalking about “Heavy Metal”… I saw this movie for the second time after
\nseveral years (I was little kid who got afraid when I first saw it) and I
\nnoticed something that really puzzled me.
\nIvan Reitman is mentioned in the titles, as Executive Producer, I believe.
\nIs this the same guy from Ghostbusters, Kindergarden Cop, etc?
\nIf he is, what is he doing in an animation film?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3278, from srider, 190 chars, Sun Mar 6 14:35:45 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3277.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

That’s him. Being a Canadian Filmmaker, it becomes more understandable
\nthat he would use Canadian actors in his movies. (Stripes, Ghostbusters,
\nHM, etc…. and of course Animal House.)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3279, from switch, 60 chars, Sun Mar 6 18:05:56 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3275.
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\nI hang my head in shame. How could I have forgotten?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3280, from davemackey, 200 chars, Sun Mar 6 20:25:24 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3274.
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\nI can’t believe it! All this talk about John Candy passing away and not one
\nsingle mention of “Camp Candy” — a SatAM, later syndicated, show he did for
\nDIC Animation.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3281, from elfhive, 115 chars, Thu Mar 10 00:46:49 1994
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\nTITLE: The Super Snooper
\nDoes anyone know who voiced “the body” opposite Daffy in this 1951
\nRobert McKimson short?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3282, from davemackey, 336 chars, Fri Mar 11 19:27:44 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3281.
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\nConventional wisdom dictates that it should be Bea Benaderet, who did most of
\nthe female voices in WB cartoons from the early 40’s to the mid-50’s, when
\nJune Foray stepped in that role.
\nI haven’t seen “Super Snooper”, however, in a while, so I don’t quite
\nremember the character or how she sounded.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3283, from elfhive, 278 chars, Fri Mar 11 20:00:30 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3282.
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\nThanks, Dave. It was just idle curiosity. Whoever it was did a wonderful
\njob. I think it is tragic that voice actors were not credited. Is the
\nanecdote in the Lenburg book (Great Cartoon Directors) about Schlesinger
\ngiving Mel Blanc a screen credit instead of a raise accurate?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3284, from elfhive, 125 chars, Sat Mar 12 16:47:32 1994
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\nTITLE: Who Killed Who?
\nCan anyone tell me if that is really Tex Avery himself at the intro and
\nclose of this 1943 MGM short?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3285, from elfhive, 464 chars, Sat Mar 12 16:50:53 1994
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Tom and Jerry
\nLeonard Maltin (Of Mice and Magic) lists _The Cat Concerto_ as the
\nAcademy Award winner for 1946 and _Johann Mouse_ as the Oscar winner
\nin 1952. The liner notes for _The Art of Tom and Jerry_ laserdisc
\nbox set from MGM\/UA Home Video (produced by George Feltenstein and
\nJerry Beck) list the release dates for these two shorts as:<\/p>\n

_The Cat Concerto_ (4\/26\/47)
\n_Johann Mouse_ (3\/21\/53)<\/p>\n

How could they have won the awards for the previous year?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3286, from switch, 22 chars, Sat Mar 12 18:22:40 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3284.
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\nNope. Not him.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3287, from switch, 103 chars, Sat Mar 12 18:24:19 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3285.
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\nI suppose it would depend on if the disc is using copyright dates or release
\ndates for its data.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3288, from elfhive, 422 chars, Sat Mar 12 21:06:06 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3287.
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\nCopyright dates are usually just listed as a year. I’ve never seen them
\nprinted as MM\/DD\/YY before. Just judging by _The Night Before Christmas_
\nlisted as 12\/6\/41 I would have to say it is a release or premiere date.
\nIt doesn’t specify in the liner notes, just lists the date after each
\ntitle. It is difficult to imagine the author thinking “Oh, and I’ll bet
\nevery reader will want to know the exact copyright date!”<\/p>\n

\ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3289, from elfhive, 28 chars, Sat Mar 12 21:06:30 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3286.
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\nAnyone know who it is then?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3290, from davemackey, 502 chars, Sun Mar 13 13:14:05 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3283.
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\nIt’s something that Blanc has mentioned a lot in his later-life lectures. And
\nif you’ve heard one of Blanc’s lectures, you’ve heard them all, telling the
\nsame exact stories in the same exact words.
\nI saw part of “Chuck Amuck: The Movie” which has clips of Blanc telling
\nhow he got the job at Warner Bros., and I was able to almost exactly re-tell
\nthe story based on the many times I’ve heard Blanc tell these stories,
\ndespite never having seen the particular clip.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3291, from davemackey, 956 chars, Sun Mar 13 13:14:19 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3285.
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\nThe criteria for having an eligible film for the Academy Award is that it has
\nto play in at least one theatre in Los Angeles during the calendar year of
\neligibility, and I think it has to play there for a week. Perhaps M-G-M snuck
\n“The Cat Concerto” and “Johann Mouse” into some L.A. theatres months ahead of
\ntheir “official” release date, possibly the last week of December in 1946 and
\n1952 respectively.
\nThe irony is that “The Cat Concerto” was rushed to completion at M-G-M
\nbecause Technicolor delivered “rushes” of a similar Bugs Bunny cartoon
\nproduced roughly around the same time to M-G-M by mistake. Quimby, upon
\nseeing the footage, demanded that “The Cat Concerto”, which wouldn’t have
\nbeen finished for months under normal circumstances, be given top priority on
\nthe M-G-M production schedule. As it turns out, “Rhapsody Rabbit”, which
\nwould have been a contender in any other year, didn’t even get nominated.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3292, from elfhive, 217 chars, Sun Mar 13 14:10:07 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3291.
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\nIt would have been interesting to see the look on Bill Hanna or Joe
\nBarbera’s face when they screened the wrong rushes \ud83d\ude42
\nI also wonder if Technicolor informed WB or merely delivered them “late”
\nwithout explanation.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3293, from hmccracken, 653 chars, Mon Mar 14 20:08:53 1994
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\nTITLE: The Bear That Finally Was Again
\nOne of the rarest Chuck Jones cartoons is _The Bear That Wasn’t_, a 1967
\ncartoon made during his tenure at MGM that as far as I know has never
\nbeen shown on TV or anywhere else since its first release, due to
\ncopyright problems. Until now, that is — I’m told that it was shown
\nlast Sunday on the Cartoon Network’s _Moxy’s Pirate Cartoon Show_.
\nI didn’t see it, but am hoping to get a copy.<\/p>\n

I don’t know anything about the Jones cartoon other than that it’s
\nextra-long; the book it’s based on, though, is wonderful. (It’s
\nby the versatile Frank Tashlin, who was a co-worker of Chuck’s at
\nWarner Bros.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3294, from robairmackey, 281 chars, Mon Mar 14 20:40:37 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3293.
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\nYou know, Harry, Cartoon Network repeats the Moxy Show the following
\nSaturday at 9AM. The same cartoons are shown. So shortly after 9AM,
\nyou can see “The Bear that Wasn’t.” It shows up occasionally on
\n“Bugs and Daffy Tonight.”
\n–Robair<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3295, from kipw, 244 chars, Wed Mar 16 21:31:42 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3293.
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\nBlankety-blank! When will that idiot cable system of mine
\nquit bleeping around and give us the Cartoon Network? I keep
\nhearing about all this great stuff they’re showing (and I’ve
\nbeen a fan of Tashlin’s book for decades).
\n–frustrated ol’ Kip<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3296, from ggarramuno, 393 chars, Wed Mar 16 23:29:29 1994
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\nTITLE: Liquid TV
\nHey guys! Any of you out there that has cable (I am living in a college
\ndorm where I can’t get my own cable AND they don’t have their own already),
\ncould you tell me if MTV’s “Liquid Television” is still showing? If it is,
\ncould you also tell me what days and at what time? BTW… Are they showing
\na new season, the old seasons or both?
\nThank you very much in advance.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3297, from switch, 125 chars, Thu Mar 17 08:36:21 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3296.
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\nThe new season has started, and it’s on at 11:30 on Sundays. I can’t tell you
\nmuch more, since we don’t get MTV here.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3298, from hmccracken, 635 chars, Thu Mar 17 23:28:18 1994
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Elsa Lorne Harvey
\nElsa Lorne Harvey has died in Larchmont, N.Y., at the age of 62. The wife of
\nAlfred Harvey, founder of Harvey Comics — home of Casper the Ghost,
\nRichie Rich, Sad Sack, and other characters — she worked early in her
\ncareer as the company’s advertising director.<\/p>\n

The Harvey family sold their publishing company in the 1980s, then
\nfounded Lorne-Harvey Publications in 1988. The new company published
\nreprints of some early Harvey comic book stories, including ones
\nstarring the Black Cat (a Hollywood actress turned superheroine)
\nand Sad Sack. Mrs. Harvey served as CEO of the new company.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3299, from hmccracken, 637 chars, Thu Mar 17 23:33:50 1994
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\nTITLE: French theme parks don’t have to be unsuccessful…
\nIn the midst of all the bad news about Euro Disneyland, it is
\ninteresting to learn that Parc Asterix, a six-year-old
\ntheme park in Paris is apparently doing quite well. The park
\nis based on the popular and excellent French comic albums
\nabout Asterix the Gaul, a Popeye-like Roman warrior.
\nParc Asterix management credits the attraction’s success
\nin part to the fact that it’s rooted in French culture,
\nwhich Euro Disneyland obviously isn’t.<\/p>\n

Another interesting fact about Parc Asterix: at 49 acres,
\nit occupies approximately 1% of the land that Euro Disney
\ndoes.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3300, from hmccracken, 785 chars, Thu Mar 17 23:38:15 1994
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\nTITLE: Overseas Disney theme parks don’t have to be failures, either
\nIn other foreign theme-park news, Tokyo Disneyland is not only doing
\nquite a bit better than Euro Disney — it’s very quietly become
\nthe most successful of Disney’s theme parks, and therefore the
\nmost popular such beast in the world. More than 15,000,000 people
\nvisited Tokyo Disney in 1993, compared to 12,000,000 for Disney
\nWorld and 11,400,000 for Disneyland.<\/p>\n

On the other hand, the much-maligned Euro Disney is the fifth-
\nmost visited park, with 10,000,000 1993 visitors — and that’s
\ntopped only by Tokyo Disney, the Magic Kingdom at Disney World,
\nDisneyland, and Epcot Center. Obviously, it takes more than
\na lot of bodies going through turnstiles to equal financial
\nsuccess in the theme park biz.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3301, from hmccracken, 352 chars, Fri Mar 18 01:02:41 1994
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\nTITLE: Another cartoonist on-line
\nBob Thaves, the cartoonist behind the long-running comic strip
\n_Frank and Ernest_, has begun including his e-mail address in
\nhis signature. (He’s Fa*******@ao*.c<\/span>om<\/span>)<\/p>\n

Thaves joins Scott Adams, creator of _Dilbert_, as a cartoonist
\nwho’s on-line and who invites readers to correspond with him
\nelectronically.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3302, from kipw, 132 chars, Tue Mar 22 22:08:40 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3297.
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\nIn addition, it is a new season which is not as good as the last two.
\nThere’s too much attitude and not enough entertainment.
\n–Kip<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3303, from davemackey, 465 chars, Tue Mar 22 22:53:05 1994
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\nTITLE: Walter Lantz 1899-1994
\nWalter Lantz died today at the age of 94. He would have been 95
\nnext month.
\nMr. Lantz created a stable of extremely beloved cartoon characters,
\nincluding Woody Woodpecker, Andy Panda, Chilly Willy and The Beary
\nFamily. Lantz released his cartoons through Universal from 1928 to
\n1972 with just a year or so break in the late 1940’s — the longest
\nproducer\/studio relationship in animation.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3304, from hmccracken, 1484 chars, Wed Mar 23 11:21:30 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3303.
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\nIt is truly the end of an era.<\/p>\n

Lantz was just short of celebrating his *eightieth* year in the animation
\nbusiness — surely a record in the cartoon industry, and something only a
\ntiny number of people in any profession have done. He was also the last
\ngreat animation producer of the golden age to pass away: his
\ncontemporaries were men like Walt Disney, Max Fleischer, Pat Sullivan, and
\nHugh Harman and Rudy Ising.<\/p>\n

My favorite fact about Lantz’s longevity was that the centurian Grim
\nNatwick, generally regarded as the grand old man of animation, credited
\nWalt Lantz as being his earliest mentor when he entered the business!
\nLantz was already a veteran when Natwick first began animating.<\/p>\n

Artistically, the legacy of the Lantz Studio is somewhat clouded; it
\nproduced few films of merit during its last twenty years or so. But up
\nuntil the mid-1940s, its cartoons were always professional and sometimes
\nquite a bit more than that. At the recent Syracuse animation party, we
\nscreened _Greatest Man in Siam_, a Lantz cartoon directed by Shamus
\nCulhane that was one of a series of excellent jazz-inspired Lantz films.<\/p>\n

Today’s _New York Times_ has a reasonably long and very well-done
\nobituary, except for the fact that it says he died at the age of 93,
\nhaving been born in 1900. As reported here some months ago, Lantz recently
\ndiscovered he had been wrong about how old he was for nine decades — he
\nfound his birth certificate, which revealed that he was born in 1899.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3305, from davemackey, 261 chars, Wed Mar 23 11:27:33 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3304.
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\nAt least the Times didn’t do what one New York news radio station did:
\nthey mentioned Lantz’s death, said that Gracie Stafford did the voice,
\nthen played a cut of Woody Woodpecker singing — with Mel Blanc’s voice!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3306, from davemackey, 254 chars, Wed Mar 23 15:07:19 1994
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\nTITLE: Walter Lantz memorials
\nPam Scoville has asked me to pass this along… the family of Walter
\nLantz has requested that in lieu of flowers, donations may be sent to
\nthe St. Joseph Medical Center Foundation, 501 S. Buena Vista St.,
\nBurbank, CA 91505.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3307, from robairmackey, 549 chars, Wed Mar 23 20:39:29 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3305.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nWhat is disappointing to me about the death of Lantz was its timing:
\nwhat with Woody’s corporate owners deciding to suppress all of his
\nolder films (and those of Chilly, The Bearys, etc.) and show new,
\nmade-for-an-age-that-we-don’t-have-to-explain-food-rationing-to
\ncartoons (perhaps the longest hyphenated word in the Englang).
\nI’da been happy if Lantz left this Earth knowing that his body
\nof work could be enjoyed by generations of fans and studied by
\nanimation’s scholars.
\n–Robair<\/p>\n

..<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3308, from davemackey, 251 chars, Fri Mar 25 00:19:05 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3307.
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\nThey can still do that if they buy a 16mm projector. Much of Lantz’ work was
\nreleased in film format by Castle Films, and lots of that stuff is still on
\nthe collectors market, although some of it is in black and white.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3309, from hmccracken, 481 chars, Mon Mar 28 20:24:43 1994
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\nTITLE: A New Disney Park
\nBoth the _Boston Globe_ and _Boston Herald_ report today that
\nDisney is planning a fourth amusement park for its Orlando
\nsite: a wild-animal park that will compete with Sea World and
\nBusch Gardens. The park will join Disneyland, the Magic Kingdom,
\nEpcot Center, Disney-MGM Studios, Euro Disneyland, and Tokyo
\nDisneyland in the Disney lineup; the company is also planning
\na historical park in Virginia, as well as a major expansion
\nto Disneyland.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3310, from hmccracken, 257 chars, Mon Mar 28 20:26:53 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3294.
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\nRobair — I alerted my friend who has the Cartoon Network to be on
\nthe outlook for the re-broadcast of _The Bear That Wasn’t_ on
\nSaturday morning — but a different episode of “Moxy” got aired.<\/p>\n

Apparently, I’m destined never to see that cartoon.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3311, from davemackey, 341 chars, Tue Mar 29 22:20:29 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3292.
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\nThey probably thought, “Well, I know that Bill and Joe are working on a piano
\ncartoon. So this piano footage must be theirs.”
\nAnother irony: both cartoons used the same pianist, Jakob Gimpel, to
\nperform the classical pieces. Mr. Gimpel also played on the soundtrack to
\nHB’s Oscar-winning “Johann Mouse.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3312, from davemackey, 1037 chars, Thu Mar 31 10:09:28 1994
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\nTITLE: An animation master on tour
\nA man who can truly be called an animation legend is currently touring
\nthe country in support of his recent limited edition cel set-ups. Virgil
\nRoss will be appearing in Philadelphia at Animation Art Resources, 118
\nN. 3rd St. on Sunday, April 10. For information, call 215-925-2009.
\nNow in his 80’s, Virgil Ross was one of Friz Freleng’s team of brilliant
\nanimation artists in the 1940’s and 1950’s at Warner Bros. He’d been with WB
\nsince 1936, when he, Sid Sutherland and Tex Avery all came over from Walter
\nLantz. There, Ross helped found the “Termite Terrace” unit. By 1942, Ross
\nmoved over to the Clampett unit, and eventually settled with Freleng.
\nThroughout most of the rest of his career, which stretched well into the
\n1980’s, Ross freelanced for Hanna-Barbera, Filmation, DePatie-Freleng,
\nWalter Lantz, Chuck Jones Enterprises, and Warner Bros.
\nAnyone with information on further Ross tour dates (Mike and Pam?),
\nplease share them with us.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3313, from robairmackey, 300 chars, Fri Apr 1 18:17:24 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3310.
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\nWell, they by right should have shown the previous episode! I am awfully
\nsorry that happened…Well, given TCN’s rotation, it shoudl be coming
\nup on Bugs and Daffy Tonight one of these days. Perhaps “Toon Heads” will
\ndo a Bear week…
\n–Robair that wasn’t<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3314, from robairmackey, 773 chars, Fri Apr 1 18:22:48 1994
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\nTITLE: Woody mourns Walter
\nMCA Universal took two pages of color in Variety, Broadcasting and Cable
\nand Electronic Media trades to mourn the passing of Walter Lantz. Obviously
\nthey took a very treacly path: a visibly distraught Woody Woodpecker cries
\nat a spotlit microphone, a direct ripoff of Warner’s pious “Mel is Dead”
\nad.
\nFurther propagating the myth that Walter Lantz’ only true creation is
\nWoody Woodpecker. (Useful to sell a new series, eh?)
\nBTW, that is Woody Woodpecker schmoozing with the crowd at Universal
\nStudios Florida in the background of the contest drawings on this week’s
\n“Wheel of Fortune” shows. Reminds me of Camus’ “L’Etranger” when the guy
\nwent swimming after the funeral.
\n–Robair<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3315, from hmccracken, 350 chars, Sun Apr 3 16:48:41 1994
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\nTITLE: Museum Exhibit
\n“King of Comics: A Tribute to Jack Kirby” will be on display
\nat the Words and Pictures Museum at 244 Main St. in Northampton,
\nMass. from April 6th through May 7th. The museum is open
\nTuesday-Sunday from noon until 5pm. The exhibit is in honor of
\nartist Jack Kirby, whose recent passing was covered in this
\nconference.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3316, from hmccracken, 455 chars, Sun Apr 3 16:51:03 1994
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\nTITLE: Upcoming Auction
\nThe Howard Lowery Gallery in Burbank, Calif. will have an auction
\nof animation art on April 10th at 2pm at the Burbank Hilton.
\nA catalog is available for $10 postpaid, and it’s worth getting
\neven if you’re not planning to attend the auction; it’s slick,
\nscholarly, and full of high-qaulity reproductions of art from
\nthe Disney, Warner, MGM, and other studios. For more information,
\ncontact the gallery at (818) 972-9080.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3317, from hmccracken, 514 chars, Mon Apr 4 00:05:24 1994
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\nTITLE: Sad News
\nFrank Wells, the president of the Walt Disney Company, died on Easter
\nin a plane crash; he had been on a ski trip. Along with Michael Eisner
\nand Jeff Katzenberg, Wells wmade up the triumverate of Hollywood
\nexecutives who took control of Disney in the mid-1980s and pumped
\na lot of life into the studio’s near moribund live-action, animation,
\nand theme-park activities — resulting in a great deal of financial
\nsuccess. I just heard this reported on the news; more details as I
\nget them.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3318, from davemackey, 355 chars, Mon Apr 4 13:04:35 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3317.
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\nWells and two other men died in the crash. The two other men, however,
\nwere not Michael Eisner and Jeff Katzenberg. But the death of Wells is
\ndevastating as Disney struggles to maintain its competitive position in
\nFlorida tourism (Wayne Huizenga just announced plans for Blockbuster World
\nnear Miami).
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3319, from robairmackey, 165 chars, Mon Apr 4 23:36:21 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3318.
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\nBlockbuster World, eh?
\nThey’ll have a hotel there, I hear, but you can’t stay any
\nlonger than three nights.
\n–Robair<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3320, from hmccracken, 104 chars, Mon Apr 4 23:56:08 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3319.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nLOL! Go to Disney World if you want to unwind — and Blockbuster
\nWorld if you want to rewind!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3321, from elfhive, 125 chars, Tue Apr 5 00:02:45 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3320.
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\nActually you can stay for more than three nights at Blockbuster World
\nbut you have to buy the hotel before you can leave \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3322, from hmccracken, 1156 chars, Tue Apr 5 13:38:36 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3318.
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\nWells was an interesting guy. He took a sabbatical from the movie
\nbusiness to climb the highest mountain on every continent, and
\ndid — except for Mount Everest. (Bad weather forced him to turn
\nback before he reached the peak.)<\/p>\n

As president\/COO of Disney, he was apparently a gifted and
\ncreative money man who worked in tandem with Michael Eisner,
\nmuch as Roy Disney worked with his brother Walt for so many
\nyears. (That’s not an original thought on my part; the
\nobituary on CNN made the same comparison.)<\/p>\n

The CNN obit also had an inaccuracy, which I should correct
\nhere for history’s sake. It credited the Eisner-Wells team
\nwith creating Disney’s Touchstone label for non-kid oriented
\nmovies, and with the success of _Splash_, the first movie
\nreleased under the Touchstone name. That’s wrong — the
\nprior Disney management, led by Walt’s son-in-law Ron
\nMiller, devised the Touchstone concept and were still in
\ncharge when _Splash_ was released. Eisner and Wells
\ndid, however, greatly increase Disney’s involvement in
\nmainstream Hollywood fare, and were responsible for
\nDisney’s first R-rated film (_Down and Out in Beverly
\nHills_, I believe.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3323, from hmccracken, 844 chars, Tue Apr 12 13:46:54 1994
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\nTITLE: ‘_Walt in Wonderland_
\nLast year, I postted a message raving about _Walt in Wonderland_, a superb
\nbook about Walt Disney’s earliest days in animation — from his first
\nwork as a teenager in Kansas City up until the dawn of sound and the
\nbirth of Mickey Mouse.<\/p>\n

The only problem was that the book was published in Italy, making it
\nexpensive and difficult to find, and oddly formatted (English text
\non one side, Italian on the other). Happily, the Johns Hopkins Press
\nhas just released a U.S. edition that solves those problems. It
\nappears to be identical to the original edition, except that it’s
\nin English only — and despite being a hardcover rather than the
\noriginal’s paperback format, it’s cheaper. It’s still around $35,
\nbut for anyone who’s interested in Walt Disney or the history of
\nanimation in general, it’s a steal.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3324, from davemackey, 450 chars, Wed Apr 13 09:59:47 1994
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\nTITLE: Two very quick obituaries
\nBoth these gentlemen passed away in early February, but I am just hearing
\nabout these now from the Local 839 newsletter.
\nOscar Dufau, since 1956 a prominent animator, producer and director.
\nHe worked for Hanna-Barbera most recently, also did some work for Chuck
\nJones and UPA.
\nCharles Flekal, one of the animation cameramen during Hanna-Barbera’s
\nformative years.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3325, from hmccracken, 233 chars, Wed Apr 13 16:55:54 1994
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\nTITLE: Pointer
\nSee best.of.net #74 for an electronic version of the newsletter of
\nthe Motion Picture Screen Cartoonists and Affiliated Optical Electronic and
\nGraphic Arts, Local 839 IATSE, the Hollywood cartoonists’ union.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3326, from hmccracken, 589 chars, Tue Apr 19 10:41:14 1994
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\nTITLE: _Off the Wall at Sardi’s_
\nIf you’re a lover of Sardi’s restaurant in New York — or just
\na fan of excellent caricature — get this book. (It’s by
\nVincent Sardi, Jr. and Thomas Edward West, and is from
\nApplause Books.) It chronicles the story of Sardi’s famous
\ncaricature-covered walls — a tradition that began in the
\nmid-1920s and continues to this day. Four artists have been
\nresponsible for these drawings of celebrities, and all
\nof them have been very talented.<\/p>\n

The book has reproductions of dozens of the caricatures,
\nall at a nice, large size and many in color.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3327, from hmccracken, 659 chars, Sat Apr 23 12:07:11 1994
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\nTITLE: More Words, More Pictures
\nWords & Pictures Museum, the Northampton, Mass.-based museum of comic
\nart founded by Kevin Eastman (co-creator of the Teenage Mutant Ninja
\nTurtles) will be relocating to a new home in Northampton. The
\nnew location will provide five times as much space as the current
\none, and plans are underway for the first floor to be devoted to
\na large comic book store and other areas to house interactive
\ndisplays, expanded galleries, and other exhibits.<\/p>\n

The new location will be at 140 Main St., just up the street from
\nthe museum’s current home at 244 Main St. Plans are for the
\nmove to be completed by December 31st, 1994.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3328, from hmccracken, 505 chars, Sat Apr 23 12:10:14 1994
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\nTITLE: Upcoming at the Words & Pictures Museum
\nWords & Pictures Museum has scheduled the following exhibits through
\nSeptember:<\/p>\n

April 6 – May 7: A Tribute to Jack “King” Kirby
\nMay 10 – July 9: The Crow (art from the superhero comic book that
\ninspired the upcoming movie starring the late
\nBrandon Lee)
\nJuly 12 – Sept. 30: Frank Miller (art by the artist best known
\nfor his gritty work on Batman and Daredevil
\ncomic books)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3329, from hmccracken, 1318 chars, Sat Apr 23 12:21:40 1994
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\nTITLE: Farewell, Mr. Nixon
\nThis conference is probably not an appropriate place to examine
\nthe life and death of Richard Nixon in all its details, but
\nit’s worth noting that he was, among other things, probably
\nthe greatest subject that American political cartoonists ever
\nhad. (That many cartoonists have continued to draw Nixon-
\ninspired cartoons whenever possible in the years since he left
\nactive political life is a sign that they miss him.)<\/p>\n

More than any other cartoonist, the Washington Post’s Herblock
\nis famed for his Nixon-themed drawings; I believe the late
\npresident first began appearing in Herblock cartoons in the
\nlate 1940s, when he came to national prominence during the
\nHiss case. Nixon is said to have cut Herblock cartoons out
\nof the morning paper to spare his daughters from seeing them;
\nBlock drew him as a ill-shaven, sleazy character who on at
\nleast one occasion was shown literally standing in a gutter
\nand slinging mud at his adversaries. Herblock’s drawings of
\na Nixon needing a shave were so well known that when Nixon
\nfinally was elected president in 1968, Block drew a cartoon
\nset in a barbershop and told his readers that he provided
\nfree shaves for all newly-elected presidents. From then on,
\nBlock’s Nixon was better-kempt, if no less archly caricatured
\nin other respects.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3330, from hshubs, 737 chars, Sat Apr 23 14:49:06 1994
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\nTITLE: Warner Bros. Store
\nI walked in to a Warner Brothers store last night. Picked up a shirt in
\na red tube with a wick:<\/p>\n

A C M E<\/p>\n

[ picture of Coyote falling under a destroyed parachute ]<\/p>\n

The Name You Can Trust<\/p>\n

They showed me a print (or something like it) with all the major older
\nWB characters on it, and something like “Mel Blanc: 1908 – 1990” on it.
\nThey wanted $150 for it. I’ll think about it. Oh, the characters are
\nin a group with heads bowed.<\/p>\n

Another thing I had to think -hard- about was a collection of video tapes
\ncontaining uncut cartoons from 1930 – 1948. They wanted $80 for the five
\ntapes. I’m -still- considering that, but for later, after I’ve moved and
\npurchased a VCR.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3331, from hmccracken, 177 chars, Sat Apr 23 17:44:24 1994
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\nTITLE: Pointer
\nMessages 78-81 in animation\/best.of.net include the FAQ (frequently
\nasked question) lists from the internet that cover Disney and
\nDisney World matters.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3332, from hmccracken, 234 chars, Sat Apr 23 17:45:32 1994
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\nTITLE: Tomorrow at 9pm ET…
\nwe’ll meet in animation\/cbix for our monthly get-together.
\nIt’s an open house that will feature trivia and door prizes
\n(including books, magazines, and multimedia software).
\nCome one, come all!]
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3333, from elfhive, 417 chars, Sat Apr 23 19:04:06 1994
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\nTITLE: Virgil Ross
\nThere was a brief interview with Virgil on the Fox Morning News here
\nin DC last Thursday morning. The outstanding quote for the day occurred
\nwhen Brian (the anchor) asked Virgil what current animation he liked.<\/p>\n

“It’s more what I don’t like.”
\n“Well go ahead and tell us what you don’t like.”
\n“There this Butthead something show. I just don’t get what that’s about.”<\/p>\n

From one of the masters. Amen.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3334, from davemackey, 144 chars, Sat Apr 23 21:38:34 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3333.
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\nHa! Virgil Ross wouldn’t be caught dead in something like that, and
\nthat speaks volumes about Virgil Ross.
\nTruly he is one of the masters.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3335, from davemackey, 69 chars, Sat Apr 23 21:39:00 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3332.
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\nHave fun, guys… I can’t make it, since I’ll be AFK tomorrow
\nnight.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3336, from davemackey, 155 chars, Sat Apr 23 21:39:57 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3330.
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\nThe litho you saw was a reproduction of a trade advertisement that WB
\ntook out just after Mel Blanc’s death.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3337, from davemackey, 124 chars, Sat Apr 23 21:40:43 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3329.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nNixon inappropriate? I don’t think so. Remember the Nixon homage
\nin “Bebe’s Kids”?
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3338, from hmccracken, 698 chars, Sun Apr 24 20:50:47 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3337.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nI just meant that this probably isn’t the proper place to hold
\na full-fledged debate on Richard Nixon’s Place in History —
\nas fascinating as a Nixon-watcher like me would find such a
\ndiscussion.<\/p>\n

But back on the topic of Nixon caricatures: the recent PBS
\ndocumentary on him, which the Boston public TV station
\nrebroadcast last night, shows a cartoon of young Dick Nixon
\nfrom his Whittier College yearbook, circa 1933. This
\nmay have been the first Nixon caricature of them all, and
\nthe unnamed artist got down all the fine points of
\nthe artform — the ski-slope nose, prominent jowls,
\nstern brow, and widow’s peak — that legions of other
\ncartoonists would have to master decades later.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3339, from hkenner, 129 chars, Mon Apr 25 14:25:11 1994
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTo watch for at your bookstore:<\/p>\n

Pigtails and Frog legs
\na family cookbook from Neiman Marcus
\nIllustrated by Chuck Jones.<\/p>\n

–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3340, from elfhive, 44 chars, Mon Apr 25 21:25:13 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3339.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nIs that one dish or two in the title, Hugh?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3341, from hkenner, 40 chars, Mon Apr 25 22:09:22 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3340.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nHuh? Two named dishes, re pigs & frogs<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3342, from elfhive, 53 chars, Tue Apr 26 23:51:45 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3341.
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\nAre pigtails cooked with frog legs or separately \ud83d\ude15<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3343, from hmccracken, 1412 chars, Fri Apr 29 17:08:34 1994
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: The Most Popular Cartoons of All Time
\nThe current _Emtertainment Weekly_’s cover story is on “The 100
\nMost Popular Movies of All Time.” _EW_ has ranked them based
\non a formula which takes their box office grosses and videotape
\nsales and rentals and churns them into a figure which represents the number
\nof times someone has paid to see that particular film in one form or another.<\/p>\n

Here are the cartoons — and partially-animated films — which made the list:<\/p>\n

3. 101 Dalmatians (251,644,619 viewers)
\n5. Fantasia (243,093,478)
\n7. The Jungle Book (229,737,901)
\n10. Aladdin (217,299,476)
\n17. Beauty and the Beast (197,758,168)
\n29. Pinocchio (183,600,000)
\n31. Who Framed Roger Rabbit(177,746,957)
\n35. Bambi (168,600,000)
\n42. Sleeping Beauty (164,676,056)
\n75. Mary Poppins (133,000,000)
\n81. Alice in Wonderland (128,732,955)
\n87. Lady and the Tramp (125,734,884)<\/p>\n

It’s interesting to note that *every* animated film on the list is a
\nDisney production. And while all the usual suspects are there, they’re not
\nin the order you might expect.<\/p>\n

Several live-action movies based on comics also made the
\nlist:<\/p>\n

26. Batman (185,054,618)
\n33. Teenage Mutant Ninja
\nTurtles (173,877,758)
\n89. Superman (125,358,127)
\n94. Batman Returns (121,736,554)<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3344, from davemackey, 364 chars, Sat Apr 30 16:35:31 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3343.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTell us about the formula used to get these numbers. And hopefully it’s
\nslightly less complicated than LAR=2.04+.07*(MSO)=.0097*(LMS)+8.14*(RSS)
\n-1.45*(RTC)+.253*(PNB)+.103(PAO)+.172*(PRM)+.057*(PT2)+.353*(PTC)+.069*(LIN).
\n(Which is the recipe that could cut your cable TV costs by 17%. And you
\nthought your job was complicated! \ud83d\ude09
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3345, from hmccracken, 225 chars, Sat Apr 30 19:11:12 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3344.
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\nThey don’t seem to give specific details on their calculations, but
\nit involved taking box office grosses and dividing them by average
\nticket prices, then doing something similar to video sales and
\nrental figures.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3346, from kipw, 101 chars, Sat Apr 30 19:35:00 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3338.
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\nDoes this mean we won’t see the Tricky One on “The Simpsons”
\nany more? Maybe next Halloween…
\n–Kip<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3347, from davemackey, 568 chars, Sun May 1 12:56:52 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3266.
\n————————–
\nOn the Lenburg front, he has just reissued “The Three Stooges Scrapbook”,
\nwhich he co-authored with his brother Greg and Joan Howard Maurer, who is the
\ndaughter of Moe Howard and widow of Norman Maurer, and in turn the mother of
\nJeffrey Scott and Michael Maurer. About the only thing that was updated for
\nthe new edition was the information about the death of Joe Besser in 1988.
\nApparently, Lenburg was good friends with both Besser and his wife Ernie.
\nHowever, there’s no updated information on the more recent passing of Joe
\nDeRita.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3348, from hmccracken, 971 chars, Tue May 3 09:28:44 1994
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\nTITLE: RIP, Richard Scarry
\nRichard Scarry, 74, has died in Switzerland. He was one of the
\nmost successful children’s book author-illustrators of all
\ntime, having been responsible for 8 of the 50 best-selling
\nchildren’s books on record.<\/p>\n

Born in Boston, Scarry created books that were crowded with
\nanimal characters going about the tasks \bof everyday living.
\n(His jam-packed drawings were likely an inspiration for the
\n“Where’s Waldo?” books.) His books never attracted the
\nslightest comment from grown-up critics that I know of;
\nthey were too unpretentious and good-natured for that.
\nYet several generations of young people loved them.
\n(I’m one of the legions who learned to read by staring
\nat Scarry books like the Best Word Book Ever, Busy Busy
\nWorld, and What Do People Do All Day?)<\/p>\n

In recent years, Scarry’s work had been adapted into
\nseveral other media, including an animated TV series
\nfor cable television and a line of educational
\ncomputer software.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3349, from switch, 333 chars, Tue May 3 10:42:49 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3348.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\n_The Busy World of Richard Scarry_ is animated here in Montreal, about three
\nmetro stops away. I’m submitting story proposals for the series next month.<\/p>\n

Scarry apparently kept a close eye on the development of the series, to make
\nsure it stayed close to his concepts, and wrote up some of the treatments and
\nscripts himself.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3350, from hmccracken, 109 chars, Tue May 3 12:28:37 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3349.
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\nWow! Good luck with your proposals, and please don’t have Lowly
\nWorm do anything out of character.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3351, from hmccracken, 359 chars, Sat May 7 23:07:50 1994
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\nTITLE: Obituary: John Milton Morris
\nJohn Milton Morris has died in Costa Mesa, California, at the age
\nof 87. He was a political cartoonist for the Associated Press for 52
\nyears, from Franklin D. Roosevelt’s presidency to that of Ronald
\nReagan. Lyndon Johnson was a fan of his work, and eight Morris
\ncartoons hang in the L.B.J. presidential library.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3352, from magi.d, 217 chars, Mon May 9 02:36:36 1994
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Internships?
\nI have a friend here at school who is looking for Internships in the NYc
\narea… Anybody have any suggestions?
\nHer major doesn’t have a placement service the way most of the other
\nmajors do.
\nMagi<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3353, from hmccracken, 164 chars, Mon May 9 08:58:24 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3352.
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\nWhat type of internship, Magi? There are lots of animation-
\nrelated companies in the city, so there’s a good chance she
\nmight be able to find something.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3354, from magi.d, 284 chars, Mon May 9 20:57:21 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3353.
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\nI think she’s most interested in comics or TV animation….
\nBut, anything. Could you tell me names and addresses of some of these
\nplaces?
\nI know she’s applying for Marvel Comics and mentioned NBC as an interest…
\nShe’s definitely a graphic artist as opposed to just an artist.
\nMagi<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3355, from hmccracken, 697 chars, Wed May 11 10:55:07 1994
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\nTITLE: Disney vs. the Historians
\nI heard a radio report this morning that said a group of prominent
\nhistorians, including David McCullough, have formally decried
\nthe plans for Disney’s America, an American history-themed
\namusement park to be built in Virginia. They’re concerned that
\nit will trivialize the Civil War and other events in our history
\nthat it will use as the basis for rides, shows, and other
\nattractions.<\/p>\n

Perhaps it will — although I don’t know how even so distinguished
\na historian as McCullough can judge something he hasn’t seen yet.
\nThis is reminiscent of the early days of Disneyland, when it
\nwas the subject of much sneering and put-downs by architectural
\ntypes.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3356, from davemackey, 486 chars, Wed May 11 21:41:37 1994
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\nTITLE: Spring into spring with A!
\n“Animato!” is out with its 28th edition. The Spring 1994 issue features
\ninterviews with a number of prominent animation voice artists, including
\nLucille Bliss, Billy West and Sid Raymond, as well as a comprehensive guide
\nto “Beavis and Butt-head”, as well as tons of video, TV and theatrical
\nanimation reviews. It’s $4.25, but I can’t think of anything worthier to
\nspend your money on for animation coverage these days.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3357, from hmccracken, 384 chars, Thu May 12 09:46:39 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3354.
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\nMagi —
\nI’ll try to get you some addresses, but here are some names to consider:
\nshe should contact MTV and Nickelodeon (both of which do a lot with
\nanimation), Buzzco (an animation studio in the city), DC Comics,
\nMarvel Comics, Archie Comics (which is actually in Marmaroneck (sp?)),
\nand Zander and Associates (another animation studio).<\/p>\n

Anyone else have any suggestions?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3358, from hmccracken, 631 chars, Mon May 16 20:24:53 1994
\n————————–
\nTITLE: _Walt Disney: An American Original_…
\nhas been reissued in a handsome paperback by Hyperion. Bob Thomas’s
\n1976 biography of Walt Disney isn’t perfect — as the authorized
\nbiography, it tends to clean up many of the man’s rough spots —
\nbut it remains the best Disney biography published to date.
\n(As biased as it might be towards presenting Disney in a favorable
\nlight, many of the others are more heavily slanted in the opposite
\ndirection. Perhaps those interested in learning about Walt’s
\nlife should read both this and Richard Schickel’s _The Disney
\nVersion_ and do a sort of mental average of the two books.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3359, from hmccracken, 183 chars, Tue May 17 21:30:49 1994
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Pointer
\nCheck out new.england\/long.messages #11 and #12 for two interesting messages —
\ninteresting, that is, if you’re a fan of Scott Adams’s _Dilbert_ comic strip.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3360, from hmccracken, 389 chars, Tue May 17 23:16:34 1994
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\nTITLE: Learn About Animation in Boston
\nThe Art Institute of Boston will be offering a course in the
\nhistory of animation from May 31st to July 10th, each Monday
\nand Wednesday from 1:15 to 4:55pm. The instructor is Tom
\nKrepcio, a Boston-based animator and animation fan;
\ntuition is $475 (or you can audit it for $315).<\/p>\n

For more information, call the Institute at (617) 262-1223.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3361, from davemackey, 355 chars, Fri May 20 12:11:26 1994
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Reuben Timmins
\nReuben Timmins (nee Timinsky) died on March 10, 1994. He worked
\nfor fifty years in animation, starting at New York
\nstudios then moving west to Disney. He was also one of the
\nkey animators at Trans Artists Productions, home of “Bucky
\nAnd Pepito
\nand others. He retired in 1980.<\/p>\n

–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3362, from hmccracken, 473 chars, Fri May 20 22:11:25 1994
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\nTITLE: Bill and Joe’s Bogus Journey
\nIf you’re in New York City this weekend and anywhere near FAO Schwartz
\non Fifth Avenue, you can meet Bill Hanna and Joe Barbera in person.
\nThe country’s most famous expensive toystore has opened Toon Time
\nAnimation Gallery, which is devoted to one of the most expensive
\ntoys around: original and limited-edition animation art.<\/p>\n

Bill and Joe will be appearing tomorrow (the 21st) from 7pm to 9pm,
\nand on Sunday from 2pm to 4pm.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3363, from hmccracken, 1678 chars, Wed May 25 16:32:20 1994
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Don Thompson
\nDon Thompson died on Monday as the result of heart problems. With his
\nwife Maggie he was best known in recent years as co-editor of the
\nweekly _Comics Buyers’ Guide_ fanzine — but Don and Maggie’s important
\nrole in comics fandom stretches back more than thirty years, to the
\nvery earliest times that comics fans got together.<\/p>\n

Don and Maggie published several fanzines in the 1960s, including _Comic
\nArt_ and _Newfangles_, which were instrumental in giving deserved
\ncredit and appreciation to such cartoonists as Carl Barks and John Stanley
\nfor the first time. They were also early members of CAPA-Alpha, the first
\namateur press association (APA) for comics fans.<\/p>\n

In the 1970s, Don and Maggie began _Beautiful Balloons_, a long running
\ncolumn in _The Buyers Guide to Comic Fandom_, the early version of
\n_Comics Buyers’ Guide_. Don also co-edited, with Dick Lupoff, two fine
\nbooks about the golden age of comics: _All in Color for a Dime_ and _The
\nComic Book Book_.<\/p>\n

In the early 1980s, _The Buyers’ Guide_ was sold to Krause Publications,
\nand became _Comics Buyers’ Guide_; it happened not too long after the
\nCleveland newspaper where Don worked shut down. The timing turned out to
\nbe good — Don and Maggie became co-editors of _CBG_, jobs they have held
\never since.<\/p>\n

This brief outline of Don’s work leaves out several magazines and books he
\nedited, and fails to convey what a huge contribution he made to comics
\nfandom. He will be missed enormously. Happily, his death was painless and
\ncame at the close of a happy week in which Don and Maggie saw their son
\nSteve graduate from college.<\/p>\n

No word yet on what will happen with _CBG_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3364, from davemackey, 279 chars, Wed May 25 21:01:02 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3363.
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\nI am sorry to hear of the death of Don Thompson. While I didn’t
\nalways agree with the way he ran Comics Buyers Guide (all right,
\nI never agreed with the way he ran CBG), I grieve for the loss
\nof one of the leading lights of comics fandom.<\/p>\n

Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3365, from linkster, 137 chars, Wed May 25 23:14:50 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3363.
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\nI’m in shock since I only recently discovered _CBG_ and was only beginning
\nto know him through his columns and editorials.<\/p>\n

LInk<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3366, from linkster, 87 chars, Wed May 25 23:16:37 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3364.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nI’m curious what you disagreed with about the running of _CBG_, Dave.<\/p>\n

LInk
\n.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3367, from davemackey, 371 chars, Thu May 26 19:57:06 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3366.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nI found Thompson to be rather nitpicky. One of the biggest problems I had
\nwith him is that he refused to accept editorial which was prepared on a
\ndot-matrix printer, yet advertising matter was routinely printed on such
\ndevices.
\nBoth Thompsons could be extremely brutal to letter writers when their
\nopinions didn’t match the writer’s.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3368, from davemackey, 172 chars, Thu May 26 19:57:13 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3361.
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\nIn my haste to get this up, I failed to mention that Reuben Timmins also
\ncreated the effects animation on Filmation’s “Star Trek” cartoons.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3369, from hmccracken, 618 chars, Mon May 30 19:27:12 1994
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\nTITLE: Disney’s America
\nTonight’s edition of PBS’s Macneil-Lehrer report featured a report, by
\nRoger Mudd, on the controversy surrounding Disney’s planned Virginia theme
\npark. Among the highlights of the well-balanced segment were historian
\nShelby Foote defending his opposition to the project by saying that Chip
\nand Dale threatened childrens’ safety (kids might believe that real
\nchipmunks sang, danced, and presented no danger); and a clip of park
\nprotesters dressed in wonderfully sleazy Mickey and Goofy costumes,
\nleading another protester dressed as Virginia governor George Allen around
\nby his nose.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3370, from linkster, 144 chars, Mon May 30 20:49:50 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3367.
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\nOdd that dot-matrix was not accepted for editorial. (shrug). I would
\nagree that they could\/can be brutal to letter writers.<\/p>\n

LInk<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3371, from switch, 163 chars, Mon May 30 22:00:52 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3352.
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\nI haven’t had the chance to go looking for information like I’d hoped, but
\nif you’re friend’s still looking, MTV is starting to do more in-house
\nanimation.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3372, from magi.d, 143 chars, Mon May 30 22:08:00 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3371.
\n————————–
\nshe has an appointment\/interview with Marvel the end of June, I believe…
\nI have passed on the suggestions about MTV, and such. Thanks!
\nMagi<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3373, from ianl, 631 chars, Tue May 31 23:01:43 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3369.
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This whole controversy is a crock, IMO. Of course Disney will trivialize
\nand even, where convenient, rewrite American history in their theme park.
\nSo what? The cool thing about history is that it definitely exists, but
\nnobody can claim to own it. It can be sold, but nobody can have the exclusive
\nright to sell it. In a country of (relatively) free speech, nobody can claim
\nto be the sole purveyor of the One True Way Things Happened And What It
\nAll Means.<\/p>\n

Disney trivialized and rewrote fairy tales which had existed for generations.
\nWhy should anybody be upset when they want to extend such treatment to other
\nareas?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3374, from hkenner, 306 chars, Wed Jun 1 00:47:02 1994
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nI’m just back (in Georgia) from Los Angeles, a promotion session for my
\nChuck Jones book (copies to be available about July 20). But the point
\nto dwell on is, Chuck, at 82, is in fantastically good shape, hand
\nperfectly steady, draws with his old authority, and has just completed
\na RoadRunner. …
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3375, from hmccracken, 201 chars, Wed Jun 1 21:07:15 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3374.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3374.
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\nThat’s great — with your book and the new Road Runner, it should be an eventful
\nSummer for Chuck Jones fans.<\/p>\n

I’ve heard, by the way, that the title of the new cartoon is _Chariots of Fur_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3376, from linkster, 246 chars, Mon Jun 6 19:02:46 1994
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\nTITLE: Update on _Comics Buyer’s Guide_’s Status
\nThe editorial in the issue of _CBG_ that arrived in the mail today said that
\nMaggie Thompson would be taking over the editorship of the publication she
\nand her late husband founded.<\/p>\n

LInk<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3377, from hmccracken, 398 chars, Thu Jun 9 22:51:02 1994
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\nTITLE: Happy Birthday, Quackface!
\nToday is Donald Duck’s 60th birthday (which, for some reason, has not
\nbeen highly publicized). Donald was the most popular cartoon character
\nin the world during the mid-to-late 1930s, and he remains one of
\nthe few true cartoon superstars.<\/p>\n

Happy birthday, Don, and here’s hoping that Daisy, Huey, Dewey, Louie,
\nand Uncle Scrooge throw you quite a party!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3378, from magi.d, 91 chars, Fri Jun 10 00:11:01 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3377.
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\nThank-you, Harry…
\nToday’s my birthday too, and I’m \/proud\/ to share it with Donald!
\nMagi<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3379, from nicolas, 60 chars, Fri Jun 10 02:34:19 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3377.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nIt made the news here.
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3380, from dgh, 62 chars, Fri Jun 10 03:58:21 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3378.
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\nHappy (slightly belated) Birthday, Magi!<\/p>\n

,
\n|) \/\\ \\\/ | +)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3381, from switch, 97 chars, Sat Jun 11 14:24:52 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3379.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nMagi’s birthday?<\/p>\n

I didn’t know she was that famous.<\/p>\n

Magi, you’ve been holding out on us.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3382, from magi.d, 252 chars, Sat Jun 11 22:28:56 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3381.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3381.
\n————————–
\nTHanks, Emru… I’m \/really\/ Donald Duck in disguise you see…<\/p>\n

Donald’s birthday made the back page of the front section of the evneing
\npaper here. They had an AP photo of the Donald Duck face they did at
\nthe Tokyo DisneyWorld with the cars.
\nMagi<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3383, from nicolas, 110 chars, Mon Jun 13 02:33:33 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3381.
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\nNaah Emru. Magi isn’t that famous. Yet. I was referring to Mr. Duck.
\n\ud83d\ude42
\n……….
\n. Nico .
\n……….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3384, from davemackey, 818 chars, Tue Jun 14 14:31:08 1994
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Henry Mancini
\nThe man who composed the themes to the “Pink Panther” and “Inspector”
\ncartoon series, as well as a lifetime of other music for film and
\ntelevision, has died. Henry Mancini was 70, and he died of complications
\nof liver and pancreatic cancer.
\nIn the animation millieu, Mancini also wrote songs for a number of
\nanimated features including “The Rescuers” and “Tom And Jerry: The Movie”.
\nMancini wrote volumes of popular music, with his most prominent decade
\nthe 1960’s. His television themes were for projects as diverse as the
\ncrime drama “Peter Gunn”, the situation comedy “Newhart” and the game show
\n“Tic Tac Dough.” His film scores included virtually every Blake Edwards
\nproject, as well as “Days Of Wine And Roses” and many more.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3385, from hmccracken, 213 chars, Tue Jun 14 16:58:40 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3384.
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\nHe will be missed. (But I don’t think he wrote any songs for _The
\nRescuers_ — he did, however, score _The Great Mouse Detective.)<\/p>\n

To me, he will always be the man who wrote _The Baby Elephant March_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3386, from switch, 156 chars, Tue Jun 14 22:14:21 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3385.
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\nFor me, he was always the man behind tje _Pink Panther_ and _Inspector_ themes,
\nuntil recently — I finally got around to watching _A Touch of Evil_.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3387, from hmccracken, 807 chars, Tue Jun 14 22:29:15 1994
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\nTITLE: _Cartoon Movie Posters_…
\nis the title of an excellent paperback book that reproduces 391
\npromotional posters for cartoons, ranging from ones for silent
\n_Felix the Cat_ shorts to one for 1972’s _Fritz the Cat_.
\nThe quality of reproduction is excellent (and everything’s
\nin color that was originally); the only cricism that comes
\nto mind is that a lot of cartoon posters were really, really
\nugly. They were usually done not by animators but by artists
\nin a studio’s advertising department, and often the depictions
\nof the characters don’t look much at all like their on-screen
\nselves.<\/p>\n

Still, if you’re interested in cartoon history, this book is
\na must. I’m not sure of the exact price, but I think it’s $20.
\nThe book is available from Bruce Hershenson, PO Box 874,
\nWest Plains, MO 65775.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3388, from davemackey, 149 chars, Tue Jun 14 23:13:23 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3385.
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\nCall it failure under pressure. I stand corrected and now do remember
\nMancini’s work on “The Great Mouse Detective.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3389, from davemackey, 281 chars, Wed Jun 15 09:45:12 1994
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\nTITLE: Cab Calloway ailing
\nOur prayers this morning are with Cab Calloway, who suffered a massive
\nstroke over the weekend. Doctors at a suburban New York hospital have told
\nhis wife that it looks like the end is near for the Hi-De-Ho Man.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3390, from ianl, 380 chars, Thu Jun 16 20:01:25 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3384.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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Oddly enough, I bought a Mancini Greatest Hits CD the day before he passed
\naway. Of course the Pink Pather theme and lots of other recognizable tunes
\nwere on it. One tune, though, keeps haunting me: _A Shot In the Dark_. I
\nknow I’ve never seen the movie of that name, so I’m thinking it must have
\nbeen the music used in some cartoons I saw as a child. Would that be right?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3391, from switch, 155 chars, Thu Jun 16 21:05:40 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3390.
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\n_A Shot in the Dark_ is a 1968 Clouseau film. I don’t remember much of it —
\nI only saw it once — so I’m not sure if the music was used elsewhere.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3392, from davemackey, 342 chars, Sun Jun 19 07:37:47 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3391.
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\nThe “A Shot In The Dark” theme was the theme music for the “Inspector”
\ncartoons, which were close cousins to the Pink Panther cartoons, though
\nwith different directors (Gerry Chiniquy, Bob McKimson, George Singer) than
\nhad been working on the Panthers at the time (which were almost exclusively
\nHawley Pratt).
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3393, from davemackey, 533 chars, Sun Jun 19 08:07:18 1994
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Jack Hannah
\nJack Hannah, 81, last of the great Disney short subject directors, died
\non June 11 in Burbank.
\nMrHannah had been with Disney from the mid-1930’s, originally a
\nwriter (sometimes teamed with the estimable Carl Barks) and, beginning
\nin the 1940’s, a dire
\nAfter Disney, Hannah went to the Walter Lantz studios, where he
\ndirected primarly Chilly Willy and Woody Woodpecker cartoons. He was
\nactive as an animation instructor after his retirement.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3394, from kipw, 249 chars, Mon Jun 20 20:36:48 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3388.
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\nHenry Mancini wrote some great stuff. I’d like to find the solo album
\nhe did some time. Sad as that made me, it’s not near as bummed as I was
\nto hear that Cab Calloway is about to be taken from us. A world without Cab
\nis a poor world, indeed.
\n–Kip<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3395, from switch, 119 chars, Mon Jun 20 22:37:43 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3394.
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\nMy thoughts exactly. He always seemed somewhat immortal, and hearing about
\nhis ailment came as a bit of a blow.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3396, from dgh, 115 chars, Tue Jun 21 03:14:32 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3393.
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\n>Jack Hannah
\nAs in Hannah and Barbera? (And if so, why no mention of that connection?)
\n,
\n|) \/\\ \\\/ | +)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3397, from switch, 30 chars, Tue Jun 21 18:26:24 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3396.
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\nNope. Hanna has one H.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3398, from davemackey, 417 chars, Wed Jun 22 21:12:11 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3396.
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\nNo, the Hanna who is part of Hanna-Barbera is Bill Hanna. Although I did
\nonce come across an animation reference book that had cross-referenced
\nlistings of several different studios, and the only articles listed for
\nHanna-Barbera were all about Jack Hannah.
\nNor is Jack Hannah related to the famous zookeeper Jack Hanna, who was
\nsort of the Joan Embery of David Letterman’s show.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3399, from dgh, 49 chars, Thu Jun 23 02:41:05 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3398.
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\nSmall wonder I was confused?
\n,
\n|) \/\\ \\\/ | +)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3400, from hmccracken, 301 chars, Thu Jun 23 22:50:43 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3399.
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\nDon’t worry about it, David. I recall one book that explained
\nthat Yogi Bear was such a talkative character because Bill
\nHanna had spent so long dircting cartoons starrying the
\nunintelligible Donald Duck, and had grown tired of it. Of
\ncourse, it was Jack Hannah who was the Donald director.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3401, from hmccracken, 2177 chars, Wed Jul 6 09:44:13 1994
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\nTITLE: Casper’s Father is Dead
\nAlfred Harvey, founder of Harvey Comics, has died in Larchmont, N.Y., at
\nthe age of 80. Along with his brothers, Harvey founded one of the country’s
\nmost enduring comic-book publishers, a company best known for the characters
\nRichie Rich and Casper.<\/p>\n

The Harvey company was founded around 1940, and is said to have flourished
\nin its early years because of Alfred Harey’s large supply of newsprint,
\na hard-to-get commodity during the war. During the 1940s, the company
\npublished superhero comics (among them _The Black Cat_), radio and
\ncomic strip adaptations (_The Green Hornet_, _Blondie_, _Joe Palooka_),
\nand a broad range of other comics.<\/p>\n

By 1950 or so, Harvey had begun to concentrate on humor comics, and as
\ntime went on many of them were adaptations of the cartoon characters
\ncreated by Paramount’s Famous Studios division — Casper the Friendly
\nGhost, Baby Huey, and others. The company supplemented these characters
\nwith some of its own, many of whom were focused around obsessions of
\none sort or another. Little Dot was crazy about polka dots, Little
\nLotta thought of little but food, and Richie Rich was a rich kid
\nwho loved money. Harvey also published the comic book adventures of Sad
\nSack, George Baker’s comic soldier who had been a popular WWII creation.<\/p>\n

In the late 1950s, Harvey bought out Famous Studios, owning Casper and the
\nother characters outright, as well as taking control of the Famous
\nlibrary. (Harvey later produced its own Casper cartoons for TV.) Not long
\nthereafter, Richie Rich slowly became the company’s mainstay, until by the
\nlate 1970s Harvey produced several *dozen* different Richie Rich titles,
\nand very little else.<\/p>\n

Harvey, which is said to have long been troubled by family squabbles,
\nceased publication in the early 1980s, then started up again a few years
\nlater. In 1989, the company was sold to Jeffrey Montgomery, a young Los
\nAngeles businessman, who was turned it into a mini media empire. Major
\ntheatrical films based on Casper and Richie Rich are in the works, and the
\ncompany recently announced a plan under which Marvel Comics will publish
\ncomics based on the Harvey characters.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3402, from magi.d, 59 chars, Wed Jul 6 19:02:38 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3401.
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\nI heard they were going to bring Baby Huey back… ?
\nMagi<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3403, from hmccracken, 743 chars, Thu Jul 7 18:15:36 1994
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\nTITLE: OUR NEXT CBIX EVENT…
\nwill be held this Sunday at 9pm EDT, and it’s a big one! We’ll have
\nour first special guest in quite awhile: Brian Bendis, the creator
\nof _The Realm_ (second series_, _Project Fire_, _High Caliber_, and
\nother comic books in a “film noir”-like style. Brian Bendis’s work
\nhas been praised by Will Eisner — creator of _The Spirit_ — which
\nis about as impressive a testimonial as you can get!<\/p>\n

This CBIX should be a lot of fun whether you’re a fan of Bendis’s
\nwork or just want to talk to a real live cartoonist about the world
\nof comics in general. (We’ll have door prizes to give away, too!)
\nSpecial thanks to BIXen Linkster, who was instrumental in introducing
\nBrian to BIX and setting up this event.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3404, from davemackey, 393 chars, Fri Jul 8 22:24:11 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3402.
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\nYes, they are, Magi. Carbunkle Cartoons, a former subcontractor for “The Ren
\nAnd Stimpy Show”, has produced 13 new Baby Huey cartoons (using the original
\nvoice of Huey, Sid Raymond) for syndication beginning this fall. The program
\nwill be rounded out with Paramount cartoons from the 1950’s specially
\nselected for the program by animation historian Jerry Beck.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3405, from magi.d, 256 chars, Fri Jul 8 23:42:53 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3404.
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\nNeat. I like Baby Huey. I found Baby Huey books at a discount ‘junk’ store,
\nalong with some really cool Garfield books, Little Golden Classics,
\nand Beatrix Potter. \ud83d\ude09
\nI could’ve easily gone broke buying books for my reading placement, but I
\ndidn’t.
\nMagi<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3406, from hmccracken, 656 chars, Sat Jul 9 14:48:49 1994
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Robert E. Lee
\nPlaywright Robert E. Lee has died in Los Angeles, California. With his
\nwriting partner Jerome Lawrence, he was the author of _Inherit the
\nWind_, _Auntie Mame_, _First Monday in October_, and more than three
\ndozen other plays; the Lee-Lawrence collaboration lasted over fifty
\nyears.<\/p>\n

Why am I reporting this in the animation conference, since Lee didn’t
\ndo any work in cartoons as far as I know? Because he was married to
\nJanet Waldo, and it seems likely that his widow is the same Janet
\nWaldo who has had a long career as an animation voice actress —
\nmost prominently as the voice of Judy Jetson in _The Jetsons_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3407, from hmccracken, 209 chars, Sun Jul 10 11:53:44 1994
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\nTITLE: One last reminder…
\nPlease join us tonight at 9pm EDT for our special CBIX get-together
\nwith cartoonist Brian Bendis for discussion, questions, answers, door
\nprizes, and more! See you there!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3408, from hmccracken, 452 chars, Sun Jul 10 17:07:55 1994
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\nTITLE: Walt in Wonderland Reviewed
\nToday’s issue of the _New York Times Book Review_ has a favorable review
\nof the new U.S. edition of _Walt in Wonderland_, the excellent book
\nabout Walt Disney’s silent cartoons. (I reviewed the book here in an
\nearlier edition that included both English and Italian texts; the new
\nversion seems to be identical, except it’s in English only.)<\/p>\n

The review is by animator, writer, and historian John Canemaker.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3409, from hmccracken, 620 chars, Mon Jul 11 21:34:11 1994
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\nTITLE: Does the Mouse Have Its Eye on CBS?
\nThe business section of today’s _New York Times_ has an article
\nthat speculates that the Disney company may somehow become
\ninvolved in the proposed merger of CBS and QVC, leading to Disney
\nrunning the CBS network. This would give the studio a ready
\ncustomer for its TV productions (and continue a long tradition
\nof Disney-TV network involvement. stretching back to the days
\nwhen ABC owned part of Disneyland).<\/p>\n

Meanwhile, the op ed page of today’s _Times_ has a rather shrill
\nadvertisement protesting Disney’s plans to build a historical]
\namusement park in Virginia.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3410, from davemackey, 429 chars, Wed Jul 13 09:52:19 1994
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Dick Bickenbach
\nWarner Bros. and M-G-M animator\/layout artist Dick Bickenbach died
\nin late June at the age of 86. Besides his long career working primarily
\nwith Chuck Jones at WB and Hanna and Barbera at M-G-M, he also worked for
\nHanna-Barbera Productions until his retirement in 1975. He started his career
\nin the early 1930’s at Walter Lantz and Ub Iwerks studios.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3411, from davemackey, 285 chars, Wed Jul 13 09:53:43 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3409.
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\nWell, the CBS-QVC merger is off. Comcast, the third largest cable
\nTV operator (MSO, as it’s called in the trade), has made a competitive
\nbid, and it’s speculated that Laurence Tisch didn’t want to get
\ninvolved in a bidding war.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3412, from hmccracken, 264 chars, Thu Jul 14 18:21:11 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3411.
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\nAccording to today’s _New York Times_, there’s a lot of speculation
\nthat Disney may end up acquiring CBS. The paper quoted a CBS source
\nas saying words to the effect that you could hear the patter of
\nmouse feet running around the hallways of the place.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3413, from ianl, 158 chars, Thu Jul 14 21:50:02 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3410.
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Not that I want to come off as too much of a cynic or anything (::snicker::)
\nbut maybe this topic should be renamed animation\/obits? Just a thought. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3414, from davemackey, 158 chars, Sat Jul 16 18:26:27 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3406.
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\nIf you’ll remember in Joe Barbera’s book, he refers to “Janet Lee, whose
\nstage name was Janet Waldo.” So it’s her, all right.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3415, from hmccracken, 202 chars, Sat Jul 16 23:03:59 1994
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\nTITLE: Get Well Soon
\nMichael Eisner, the chairman of the Walt Disney Company, underwent
\nheart bypass surgery today. Fortunatelym Eisnet is expected to make
\na full recovery from the operation.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3416, from switch, 6583 chars, Sat Jul 16 23:49:05 1994
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\nTITLE: The Lion King: A Rambling Review
\nFirst, a little something about the opening, because my thoughts
\non it more or less define my thoughts on the whole movie.<\/p>\n

Months ago, reports started getting back to me about the trailer
\nto _The Lion King_, which was being shown before _The Three
\nMusketeers_. As anyone who’s seen it knows, the trailer was
\nreally just the opening to the movie, leading up to the title.
\nMost people were fairly impressed by it. I was and I wasn’t.<\/p>\n

The visuals were top-notch. Within the first thirty seconds, I
\nwas transported back in time–to when I was ten years old, seeing
\nmy first sunrise over Kilimanjaro from the Amboseli Game Reserve;
\nto seeing gazelles leaping in that boingy-boingy way of theirs
\nwhen they’re startled; to looking over the Rift Valley when I was
\nsixteen. I’m glad Disney saw fit to send a team of animators to
\nKenya and Tanzania (I think) for three weeks–they were able to
\ncapture the essence of that magical experience.<\/p>\n

Most of it, anyway.<\/p>\n

I rather suspect that if more of the production team had gone
\nover, they would have opted for a bit more scenery and a bit less
\nElton John music. “Circle of Life” is the best song of the five
\n_The Lion King_ has to offer, and that’s not saying much. If
\nthey had stuck with just the African voices and rhythms that were
\nheard at the beginning of the song, it probably would have been
\nmore powerful an introduction.<\/p>\n

And that sums up my overall feelings on _The Lion King_.
\nTechnically excellent, it aims at drama, and the power of a story
\ninvolving royalty, family, and forces of nature–and every once
\nin a while a little pop-music sensibility comes in and knocks it
\ndown a few pegs.<\/p>\n

Now then, in a more or less point-counterpointish format, here
\nare my thoughts in no particular order.<\/p>\n

* The Lion King is more cinematic than previous Disney films. By
\nthis I mean more dynamic camera work, dissolves, and tighter
\nediting. This is one of the reasons I like such Japanese
\nanimated productions as _Bubblegum Crisis_, _Wings of
\nHonneamise_, and _Dragonball Z_: the use of conventional film
\ntechnique, as appropriate to the genre of the film. The
\nstampede that leads to Mufasa’s death is a good example of this.<\/p>\n

* There is such a thing as too much technique. The _Raging
\nBull_-like segment of the battle between Simba and Scar was
\npointless and dragged on too long. Slow motion should be used
\nsparingly, not as a dramatic bludgeon.<\/p>\n

* Disney’s use of CAPS (their computer-based ink & paint,
\nmultiplane, and composition system) has improved tremendously.
\nThe colours stood out better here than in _Aladdin_, and the
\nconsistency of the airbrush effects lent a particular lushness
\nto the feel of the film.<\/p>\n

* Hans Zimmer’s score was wonderful; I wish more than four tracks
\nwere available on the _Lion King_ soundtrack. The use of
\nhonest-to-God African musicians and instruments lent a more
\nauthentic (for want of a better word) feel to the whole thing.
\nI especially liked how the music rarely overpowered the scene,
\nunlike, say, a John Williams score.<\/p>\n

* Elton John and Tim Rice were a mistake, but then I’m generally
\nbiased against pop music. Man, this stuff was awful… and
\ncompletely out of place. If they had to have songs (and I don’t
\nthink they did–Disney’s reliance on musicals became tiring years
\nago) they should have at least gone with someone like Peter
\nGabriel or David Byrne–big name musicians who understand African
\nmusic and rhythms, but also pop sensibilities. (It’d be too much
\nto expect Disney to go with Papa Lema or other East African
\nartists.)<\/p>\n

* There’s an ecological message built into this film, but the
\nevents and the script keep it from being too simplified, and it’s
\nnot beaten over our heads by way of constant repetition, like a
\ncertain _Animaniacs_ episode (it stars Mindy and Buttons, and
\nperhaps the least subtle ecological message I’ve ever seen.)<\/p>\n

* Disney decided to go with an original story instead of an
\nestablished tale; it’s nice to see them trying to move in
\ndifferent directions, however slightly. Maybe they’ll do a good
\nspace opera without a musical bent before I’m 100. (That gives
\nyou until 2069, guys; get cracking.)<\/p>\n

* It may be not have been based on an existing work, but it’s not
\nthat original. Let’s see: child born into royalty. While
\nyoung, birthright is usurped, goes into exile. Is eventually
\nprodded into coming back. Regains throne. …naaaah, I’ve never
\nseen this before.<\/p>\n

* The family relationship seems better established here. Disney
\nhas usually had stories where the main character either has a
\nsingle parent or where there is no parent at all. Even when
\nthere is a parent in the picture, he\/she is usually pretty
\ninconsequential. We’re told that the character loves the parent
\nand it’s left at that. The only well-developed family
\nrelationships are those of hate and spite. _The Lion King_ spends
\ntime illustrating the family bonds, so that when Mufasa is killed
\nand when Sarabi is struck by Scar, we feel more of Simba’s pain
\nand the scenes carry more impact.<\/p>\n

* There’s no avoidance of the subject of death here. These are
\nanimals, who are very direct in their actions. Scar declares
\nquite plainly that he’s going to kill Mufasa and Simba.<\/p>\n

* Simba doesn’t kill Scar at the end. Not that I’m a
\nbloodthirsty maniac or anything (well, maybe a maniac) but
\nthere’s this strange Disney thing where the main protagonist
\ncannot kill the antagonist. Oh, they can have the intent, but at
\nsome point they have to back off, and someone else does the
\nactual killing. C’mon, fellas, grow up. There are situations in
\nlife where virtuous people kill. They may not enjoy it, but they
\ndo. And if it was good enough for the Brothers Grimm–heck, even
\nfor the watered-down fairy tales–then what’s the problem?<\/p>\n

* Timon and Pumbaa aren’t overdone–they have just the right amount
\nof Warner Bros. wiseass humour to add levity, without getting
\ncompletely ridiculous.<\/p>\n

* Disney succeeded in making the characters quite naturalistic…
\nbut why did they add a tail to Rafiki, who is a mandrill? Timon
\nacts the most human of the bunch in his gestures, but he’s so
\nfunny you don’t realize it until after the movie’s been over for
\nhours.<\/p>\n

Overall, I liked the movie. I’ll watch it again. As I said, I
\nlike the signs of Disney’s diversification, but I wish they’d be
\na bit more bold in their deviating from the formula. I also
\nwhich the soundtrack CD had more of Zimmer’s score.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3417, from elfhive, 279 chars, Sun Jul 17 12:48:22 1994
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\nRegarding the familiarity of the plot, I’m told there was an interesting
\narticle in USA Today last week that quotes Frederik Schodt on the
\nremarkable resemblance between _The Lion King_ and Osamu Tezuka’s
\n_Kimba The White Lion_. Disney, of course, claims they never heard of
\nit.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3418, from davemackey, 501 chars, Mon Jul 18 19:24:18 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3415.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nIt’s somewhat eerily comforting to know that even the man who is so
\nsuccessful in his business life — witness those “Lion King” grosses — can
\nhave human health difficulties as well.
\nMy first thought on hearing the news about Eisner was what if something
\nshould go wrong, some unforseen complication? Disney could not bear to lose
\ntwo top executives in one year (and most of all their guiding spirit Eisner).
\nI wish him years of better health in the future.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3419, from hmccracken, 471 chars, Mon Jul 18 21:39:00 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3418.
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\nAn article in today’s _New York Times_ voices the concern of Wall Street on
\nthat count. They’re anxious to see Eisner name a replacement for Frank Wells
\nas Disney’s number two executive. Apparently, he doesn’t want to name
\nJeffrey Katzenberg — the man credited with reviving the fortunes of the
\nstudio’s animation department — to that post, which may lead to Katzenberg
\nleaving the company. I wonder what *that* would mean for the future of
\nDisney animation?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3420, from switch, 448 chars, Tue Jul 19 13:02:54 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3417.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nThe “remarkable resemblance” has, thus far, done nothing to convince me. The
\nnames — Kimba and Simba — are hardly a coincidence, as both are derived from
\n“simba”, the Swahili word for “lion.” The characterizations of primates as
\nwise, birds as chatty, and hyenas as unscrupulous henchmen predates Kimba by
\nseveral millenia and a continent or two. As for the similarity in overall
\nstoryline… well, that’s hardly original to begin with.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3421, from elfhive, 248 chars, Tue Jul 19 21:51:54 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3420.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nThinner resemblances haven’t stopped lawsuits in the past, and successful
\nones at that. When the gross receipts are as large as they are in the
\ncase of _The Lion King_ it would take a person of Japanese disposition
\nto refrain from such litigation.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3422, from hmccracken, 696 chars, Sat Jul 23 12:06:03 1994
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Dorothy Collins
\nDorothy Collins has died, at her home in New York State. She was 67.
\nCollins, who was born Marjorie Chandler, was a singer best known for
\nher appearances on _Your Hit Parade_ and in cigarette commercials.
\nShe was discovered in 1942 by band leader Raymond Scott, whom she
\nmarried ten years later (and eventually divorced).<\/p>\n

Scott, who was the orchestra director for _Your Hit Parade_ and
\nthe composer of the jingles Collins sang in the cigarette commercials,
\nhas been recently re-discovered, primarily through the offbeat music
\nhe composed which Warner Bros, cartoon composer Carl Stalling wove
\ninto the scores of many Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3423, from davemackey, 213 chars, Sun Jul 24 09:27:38 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3422.
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\nI saw that on the AP wire this morning, and made sure it was included in my
\nAPATOONS contribution, and I didn’t even think to post it on BIX. See how
\nfrazzled I get on deadline? \ud83d\ude09
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3424, from hmccracken, 598 chars, Tue Jul 26 22:11:57 1994
\n————————–
\nTITLE: A New Magazine
\nLook for _Hogan’s Alley_, a new magazine about comic strips, political
\ncartoons, and animation, to debut soon. This new quarterly publication is
\nco-edited by Rick Marschall, a legendary collector and former editor of
\nthe very highly regarded _Nemo_. The focus will be on historical articles,
\nreviews, interviews, and the like.<\/p>\n

I don’t have any connection with _Hogan’s Alley_, other than that I’m
\nlooking forward to reading it. Subscriptions are $18.95\/year, and include
\na limited-edition poster of R.F. Outcault’s Yellow Kid.<\/p>\n

Hogan’s Alley
\nPO Box 47684
\nAtlanta, GA 30362<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3425, from hmccracken, 612 chars, Tue Jul 26 22:15:11 1994
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: A New Issue of an Old Magazine
\n_Animato_ #29 is out. The current issue of the Animation Fan’s Magazine
\nincludes a tribute to Walter Lantz, with an interview and other articles;
\nseveral pieces on _The Lion King_, including a review; a section on
\nthe Return of Creator-Driven Animation, with interviews with Ralph
\nBakshi, John Kricfalusi, and others; a new column on animation preservation;
\nreviews, and quite a bit more. (Whew!) It also has the first installment of
\na column by…Harry McCracken.<\/p>\n

Look for _Animato_ at comics stores, large newsstands, Barnes & Noble
\nbookstores, and elsewhere.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3426, from davemackey, 142 chars, Tue Aug 9 20:59:21 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3425.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTell us about your column. I don’t get out to Barnes & Noble much — and I
\nhaven’t gotten my comp copies yet.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3427, from davemackey, 304 chars, Tue Aug 9 20:59:28 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3421.
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\nActually, latest I heard was that a dozen or so of Tezuka’s art crew are in
\nthe process of preparing a lawsuit. (Possibly in response to Disney’s recent
\nlegal action against Eastern artists who have appropriated Mickey and Pals in
\npicture books without proper clearance?)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3428, from hmccracken, 333 chars, Tue Aug 9 21:38:21 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3426.
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\nMy column is called _Curiosity Shop_, and is all about weird, obscure
\ncartoons that you’re unlikely to see discussed elsewhere. The first
\ninstallment covers _Porky and Daff Meet the Groovie Ghoulies_ (which
\nI also discussed here on BIX some months ago); the second will be about
\nColumbia’s _Scrappy_ cartoons of the 1930s.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3429, from hmccracken, 302 chars, Tue Aug 9 21:49:06 1994
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\nTITLE: Great Scott!
\nCheck out the new issue of _Filmfax_ magazine for a very interesting, decade-
\nold interview with Bill Scott, conducted by noted animation fan Jim Korkis.
\nScott is best-known as the writer and voice behind Bullwinkle, but he also
\nworked for Warner, UPA, and other studios.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3430, from davemackey, 289 chars, Sat Aug 13 08:18:34 1994
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Obituary: Raymond Johnson
\nRaymond Johnson, an animation artist who most recently worked at the
\nKlasky-Csupo studio, died on July 29 of cancer at the age of 33.
\nMr. Johnson’s work could be seen in episodes of “Rugrats” and “Aahh!
\nReal Monsters.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3431, from switch, 393 chars, Thu Aug 18 17:41:30 1994
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Animation Writing & the WGA
\nAccording to Celcelia Cecconne of a Certain Information Service, the Writers
\nGuild of America has founded an Animation Writers Caucus, with benefits etc.
\nTo qualify, you need only have written at least a half-hour of produced
\nanimation.<\/p>\n

The Guild can be contacted at (310) 550-1000 for more information. (Thanks
\nto linkster for forwarding the info.)<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3432, from hmccracken, 375 chars, Fri Aug 19 21:30:33 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3374.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nHugh — I was just reading an old message in the animation conference
\nin which you spoke of the Jones book being available on or about
\nJuly 20th. I assume that the date slipped (at least I hope you’ll
\nannounce its availability in the conference so everyone can go out
\nand buy it!), but I thought I’d check in for an update. I’m very
\nanxious to see it, of course…
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3433, from hkenner, 238 chars, Sat Aug 20 12:35:14 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3432.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nPub dates are legal fictions. Despite the fact that the announced
\npub date for *Chuck Jones : A Flurry of Drawings* is mid-Sept., I
\nbelieve U. of Calif. Press is now filling orders. My author’s copies
\narrived day before yesterday.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3434, from hmccracken, 542 chars, Sun Aug 21 23:08:14 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3433.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nHugh’s book has indeed hit the bookstores — I saw a large
\nstack of copies today at WordsWorth’s in Harvard Square.<\/p>\n

Animation conference members should have a keen interest in\b
\nthis book even more than they ordinarily would in an excellent
\nvolume about the greatest animation director of them all.
\nHugh announced here that he had agreed to do the book several
\nyears ago, and has shared comments, questions, and chunks of
\nthe book ever since. Several BIXen, and BIX itself, are credited
\nwith providing help in the book itself, too.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3435, from hmccracken, 522 chars, Wed Aug 24 23:33:24 1994
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\nTITLE: Katzenberg Out at Disney
\nAs has been widely predicted might happen, Jeffrey Katzenberg is leaving
\nthe Walt Disney Company at the end of next month. As head of Disney’s
\nfilm studios, Katzenberg has been widely crediting with being the
\nprimary person behind the revival of the studio’s animated fortunes
\nwith such films as _The Little Mermaid_, _Beauty and the Beast_,
\n_Aladdin_, and _The Lion King_. It will be interesting to see if
\nDisney can go on producing animated hits without Katzenberg at
\nthe helm.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3436, from davemackey, 151 chars, Tue Aug 30 19:50:52 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3434.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nI haven’t seen it in print yet. Perhaps Mr. Kenner could advise us on how to
\nget a copy once more, now that it is out.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3437, from hmccracken, 170 chars, Tue Aug 30 20:12:42 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3436.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3436.
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\nHugh is out of the country, Dave, but check your local bookstores. It’s
\navailable in great profusion, at least here in Boston.<\/p>\n

Perhaps Whole Toon has it, too.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3438, from hmccracken, 806 chars, Thu Sep 1 21:02:24 1994
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: What’s Snow White Up to These Days?
\nToday’s _Boston Globe_ has an enjoyable article on Marge Champion, who at 75
\nis happy, healthy, and living in Stockbridge, Massachusetts. Champion is best
\nknown to the world as the dancing partner and ex-wife of the late Gower
\nChampion, but to cartoon fans she’ll always have a special place as the
\nyoung woman who posed for live-action footage that was turned into animation
\nof Snow White in Disney’s _Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs_.<\/p>\n

Before she married Gower Champion, Ms. Champion was the wife of Art Babbitt,
\none of Disney’s greatest animators of the 1930s and early 1940s, although
\nthe _Globe_ article doesn’t mention that. Presumably Art will get at least
\nsome brief coverage in Marge Champion’s autobiography, which she’s currently
\nworking on.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3439, from davemackey, 214 chars, Sun Sep 4 10:13:39 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3438.
\n————————–
\nExpect lots of articles and stuff on Marge Champion, Adriana Caselotti, and
\nany surviving Disney animators as The Walt Disney Company prepares to release
\n“Snow White” on home video.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3440, from hmccracken, 358 chars, Sun Sep 4 16:48:35 1994
\n————————–
\nTITLE: RIP, Mike Gribble
\nMike Gribble, who was one half of Spike and Mike, the producing team that
\nput together the “Festival of Animation” independent animation shows, has
\npassed away. (See animation\/best.of.net for details.) The Spike and Mike
\nshows are always enjoyable, and Gribble’s passing is a real loss for
\nthe independent animation scene.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3441, from hmccracken, 389 chars, Tue Sep 6 18:47:50 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3436.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nIf you can’t find hkenner’s _Chuck Jones: A Flurry of Drawings_ at your
\nlocal bookstore, you might consider ordering a copy from the Howard Lowery
\nGallery, 3812 W. Magnolia Blvd., Burbank, Calif. 91505; (818) 972-9080.
\nThe price is $15.95, with a 10% discount for purchases made with cash,
\ncheck, or money order, and a 5% discount for Amex, Discover, Visa, or
\nMastercard orders.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3442, from elfhive, 327 chars, Tue Sep 6 22:24:13 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3441.
\n————————–
\nThanks for the pointer, Harry. I’ve checked with Kramers here in DC.
\nThey are a pretty big local operation downtown. They assure me that
\ntheir database says Hugh’s book won’t be available until October 27th \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

I’ll reality check with Borders tomorrow, if possible, and if they
\nare confused, I may mail order it as indicated.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3443, from elfhive, 340 chars, Tue Sep 6 22:40:22 1994
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Dark Crystal
\nCan anyone tell me the year Jim Henson’s feature film was first released
\nin the US?
\nLooks like I could also use a recommendation for a recent reference work
\nthat would give me a guide to film release dates. I have an old Oxford
\nfrom the early seventies, but perhaps there is something else in print
\nthat is even better.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3444, from elfhive, 257 chars, Tue Sep 6 22:41:53 1994
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Anna and Bella
\nThere is a quote at the beginning of the 1985 Academy Award (r) winning
\nDutch animation short:<\/p>\n

Quod Non Fecerunt Scoti Fecerunt Cariatidi<\/p>\n

attributed to Byron.<\/p>\n

Can anyone help with the translation and source material for this quote?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3445, from hmccracken, 497 chars, Tue Sep 6 22:52:00 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3443.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3443.
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\nI’m not sure offhand when _The Dark Crystal_ was released — I guess I need
\none of those release date reference books, too. Do you need exact dates, or
\nwill the year do? If the latter is acceptable, Leonard Maltin’s TV Movies Book
\nis inexpensive, reliable, and about as comprehensive as they come. Halliwell’s
\nsimilar volume would be another good choice. And if you have a computer with a
\nCD-ROM drive, check out Cinemania, Mega Movie Guide, or one of the similar
\nmovie database discs.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3446, from switch, 82 chars, Tue Sep 6 23:22:13 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3443.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nAccording to Maltin’s _TV Movies and Video Guide_, it was released in 1983.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3447, from jshook, 131 chars, Wed Sep 7 00:00:01 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3444.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3444.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

“What doen’t make you Scottish makes you a carved stone figure holding
\nup a balustrade.”<\/p>\n

Can’t remember offhand who said it….<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3448, from peabo, 111 chars, Wed Sep 7 00:55:11 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3444.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nThis is a very wild guess, but I’d say<\/p>\n

“What cannot be done by intellect, can be done by the heart.”<\/p>\n

peter<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3449, from peabo, 53 chars, Wed Sep 7 00:56:09 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3445.
\n————————–
\n1982 wouldn’t be too far off. Maybe 1983 …<\/p>\n

peter<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3450, from elfhive, 68 chars, Wed Sep 7 21:01:33 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3447.
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\ncute<\/p>\n

sounds like the Byron attribution is probably correct.
\nthanks<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3451, from elfhive, 286 chars, Wed Sep 7 21:04:29 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3448.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nYes, that was a SWAG \ud83d\ude42
\nI’ll go with the Scotch interpretation, I know the “Cariatidi” translation
\nis correct and further refers to the women of Carya. I just couldn’t find
\nthe verb “fecerunt” in our Latin dictionary since it is probably a
\nconjugation of the root that is dissimilar.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3452, from elfhive, 263 chars, Wed Sep 7 21:06:09 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3446.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nThanks. From the sound of things, it sounds like it might be worth
\nchecking out the latest edition of the Oxford Companion to Film. I am
\ninterested in the CD-ROM databases, however. I’ll check out some of my
\ncatalogs to see if I find them there. Thanks everyone!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3453, from hmccracken, 227 chars, Wed Sep 7 22:13:05 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3452.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3452.
\n————————–
\nI haven’t seen the recent editions of the Oxford Companion to Film, but
\nthe first edition was notorious for its lousy entries about cartoons.
\nI think it was the book which made reference to “Ted” Avery, among others.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3454, from elfhive, 52 chars, Thu Sep 8 12:05:41 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3453.
\n————————–
\nI’ll have to check out my edition and report back.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3455, from hmccracken, 452 chars, Sat Sep 10 17:50:36 1994
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: So you want to be another Bill Hanna (or Joe Barbera?)
\nHanna-Barbera and Animation Magazine have begun promoting their second
\nannual storyboard contest, a competition that lets cartoon fans and
\naspiring artists submit cartoon concepts to HB for consideration.
\nThe prizes include a top cash award of $5,000; the deadline is
\nNovember 15th, 1994. For more information (or contest materials),
\ncontact Animation Magazine at (818) 991-2884.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3456, from hmccracken, 782 chars, Sat Sep 10 19:00:48 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3452.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nAll this discussion of movie reference works prompted me to pick up
\na copy of Mirosoft’s Cinemania today at the local computer swap meet.
\nI haven’t played with it enough to do a full-fledged review, but so
\nfar it’s been terrific. It’s a real class act, with solid text
\nfrom people like Leonard Maltin, Pauline Kael, and Roger Ebert, and
\nlots of still images and a fair number of well-chosen film clips.
\nIf you’re the sort of person who often has questions relating
\nto fil, and who has a Mac or PC with a CD-ROM drive, it looks like
\na winner.<\/p>\n

Of course, since it’s focused on full-length films, it’s not a
\ncomprehensive guide to animation. There are, however, biographies
\nof folks like Walt Disney and Chuck Jones, plus lots of still images
\nfrom Disney animated features.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3457, from hshubs, 63 chars, Sat Sep 10 19:30:10 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3455.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3455.
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\nNo, I wanna be another Chuck. H\/B always seemed watered down.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3458, from elfhive, 262 chars, Sat Sep 10 21:51:24 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3456.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nThanks for the pointer, Harry. I also review live-action for LaserViews
\nso something like this will be quite helpful. Since I don’t have a
\nlocal computer swap meet (that I’m aware of), do you have a source
\nfor the CD-ROM. I haven’t seen it in EduCorp or Tiger.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3459, from hmccracken, 162 chars, Sat Sep 10 22:23:59 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3458.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nTry PC Connection. It should also be available at consumer electronics
\nstores that carry CD-ROM titles. Being from Microsoft, it won’t be
\nhard to find.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3460, from dondumitru, 417 chars, Sun Sep 11 01:15:18 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3459.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\n>Try PC Connection. It should also be available at consumer electronics
\n>stores that carry CD-ROM titles. Being from Microsoft, it won’t be
\n>hard to find.<\/p>\n

I wouldn’t be surprised if it is being sold in normal bookstores and such.
\nThe Microsoft At Home titles (of which this is one) are being pushed out
\nthrough “non-traditional” channels – at least, non-traditional as far as
\ncomputer software is concerned.<\/p>\n

–Don<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3461, from davemackey, 217 chars, Sun Sep 11 09:41:54 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3455.
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\nLast year’s contest came under fire from a number of corners. I think once
\nyou submit to this contest, the idea essentially becomes Hanna-Barbera’s
\nproperty. To do with as they please.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3462, from elfhive, 314 chars, Sun Sep 11 12:24:37 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3461.
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\nI didn’t read the fine print on that one! Seems to me that is a very
\ncheap way to come up with lots of clever storyboards given the prices
\nI’ve seen Screen Writers Guild members commanding. I wouldn’t mind
\nsending something on a non-exclusive basis but to do work-for-hire on
\na speculative basis seems pretty low.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3463, from hkenner, 133 chars, Mon Sep 12 19:45:32 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3451.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nYou’d not find “fecerunt” in the dictionary because, as a past tense,
\nit contains a vowel change from the root facio \/ facere .
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3464, from elfhive, 164 chars, Mon Sep 12 21:32:45 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3463.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nIt’s a long way from my Latin days when I attended lycee in Nice. Thanks
\nfor the heads up. Hope you are both well and that FX hasn’t changed his
\ncharacter any \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3465, from hkenner, 48 chars, Tue Sep 13 11:05:18 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3464.
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\nFX yawns, stretches, and sends his regards. …<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3466, from hmccracken, 353 chars, Tue Sep 13 11:24:57 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3460.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\n_Cinemania_ can also be bought directly from Microsoft, which offers it in
\nits glossy Home Software Catalog. (Try calling 800\/583-0040 to get a
\ncopy.) It’s $59.95 in the catalog, plus shipping; I paid only $28
\nfor mine at a local computer show. On the other hand, the catalog has
\na buy-two-and-get-one-free offer that sounds like a good deal.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3467, from elfhive, 631 chars, Tue Sep 13 21:06:37 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3466.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nYes, I got that catalog today and immediately looked for it. I also
\ngot a copy of my regional Computer User rag and saw that there was a
\n“computer mart” scheduled for this weekend. I think I’ll check that out
\nfirst and then decide. Thanks, though.<\/p>\n

Also, my copy of “A Flurry of Drawings” came to the bookstore today.
\nWhen I went in and asked for it the salesman took a look at the cover
\nand said, “Chuck Jones, where did that come from?” I explained that
\nyou had to be a member of BIX and have all the right connections to
\nbe able to get one. He immediately jotted down the author’s name and
\ntitle and ordered one for himself \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3468, from hmccracken, 236 chars, Tue Sep 13 22:10:26 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3467.
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\nComputer shows — at least the ones in the Boston area — are great places
\nto find scads of CD-ROMs at low prices. On the other hand, they’re some of
\nthe most crowded, sweatiest, generally uncomfortable places I’ve ever
\nbeen.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3469, from hmccracken, 567 chars, Wed Sep 14 22:07:11 1994
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\nTITLE: Animation Screenings in Boston
\nThe Anderson Auditorium at Boston’s School of the Museum of Fine Arts will
\nbe the home of a series of animation screenings that are open to the
\npublic. Presented by Tom Krepcio, the shows include the following:<\/p>\n

September 16th
\nDrawing Motion: A brief history animation<\/p>\n

September 23rd
\nSex, Violence, and Censorship in Animation<\/p>\n

October 7th
\nCaricature, Distortion, and Stereotype in Animation<\/p>\n

October 21
\n“Commercial” vs. “Independent”, aka The Artist and the Marketplace<\/p>\n

The showings are all on Fridays from 12-2pm.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3470, from hmccracken, 814 chars, Sun Sep 18 00:31:41 1994
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Dolly Haas
\nDolly Haas has died in New York at the age of 84. Ms. Haas was the wife of
\nAl Hirschfeld, whose extraordinary career as a caricaturist has lasted
\nseventy years (so far).<\/p>\n

Dolly Haas had an interesting career herself, as an actress who appeared
\nin musical comedies and cabaret in her native Germany beginning in the
\n1920s. She also appeared in German movies, including ones directed or
\nwritten by Billy Wilder, and others, before coming to the U.S., where
\nshe also appeared in films and plays and worked with Yul Brynner,
\nLillian Gish, Mary Martin, Alfred Hitchcock, and others.<\/p>\n

Besides appearing in some of Hirchfeld’s drawings herself, she was
\nthe mother of his daughter Nina, whose name has been woven into
\nthe details of countless Hirschfeld drawings for several decades.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3471, from hshubs, 156 chars, Sun Sep 18 01:14:01 1994
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\nTITLE: Evil twins?
\nWhile working on an ethernet today, it came to me!<\/p>\n

Twisted Pair is the Evil Twin(s) of Dirty Pair!<\/p>\n

Why, this answers -everything-!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3472, from switch, 83 chars, Sun Sep 18 11:03:55 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3471.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nEureka! You’ve got it, Howard?<\/p>\n

Now, er, what are you going to do about it?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3473, from hshubs, 121 chars, Sun Sep 18 11:07:03 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3472.
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\nMore research! Yep, that’s what’s called for. Gotta find more Dirty Pair,
\nand I can’t help but find more Twisted Pair.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3474, from hmccracken, 1295 chars, Sun Sep 25 10:39:53 1994
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Bud Sagendorf
\nBud Sagendorf has died in Sun City Center, Florida, at the age of 79.
\nHe was a cartoonist whose association with Popeye stretched over
\nseven decades.<\/p>\n

Sagendorf became an assistant to Elzie Segar, Popeye’s creator, on
\nthe _Thumble Theater_ comic strip (the real name of the Popeye
\nstrip) in the mid-1930s. When Segar died in 1938, the Popeye
\nnewspaper strip was given to other cartoonists, but Sagendorf
\ncontinued his association with the one-eyed sailor by drawing
\nand writing Popeye comic books for many years.<\/p>\n

In 1958, Sagendorf finally took over the Popeye newspaper comics,
\nand he drew the Sunday strip until his passing. (He turned over
\nthe daily strip to Bobby London in 1986; London was later fired,
\nand the syndicate began running old Sagendorf strips.)<\/p>\n

Sagendorf has always had a tough time of it with many Popeye
\nfans, simply because he never equalled the great work of
\nElzie Segar (none of the other cartoonists who drew Popeye
\never did, either.) His Popeye newspaper strips were pleasant
\nbut not particularly outstanding; earlier, however, he created
\nsome Popeye comic books that were genuinely excellent, and
\nworthy of rediscovery. Sagendorf also drew his own comic
\nstrip — _The Spur Line_, about railroading — for a time
\nin the 1950s.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3475, from hmccracken, 929 chars, Thu Sep 29 09:05:59 1994
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\nTITLE: Disney’s Surrender at Haymarket
\nThe Walt Disney Company has announced that it will not locate its planned
\nDisney’s America historical theme park in its announced location of
\nHaymarket, Virginia. The plans had ignited a firestorm of protest among
\nhistorians of some Virginians, due to the site’s proximity to Civil War
\nbattlefields and much natural beauty.<\/p>\n

This announcement is the latest in a rapid series of setbacks for Disney,
\nincluding the lackluster performance of Euro Disney, the death of
\nPresident Frank Wells, the illness of Chairman Michael Eisner, and the
\nresignation of Jeffrey Katzenberg, who guided the animation department
\nto its recent successes.<\/p>\n

The search is on for another site; Disney would still like to locate
\nit somewhere in Virginia. Maybe they should consider my hometown of
\nArlington, Massachusetts. (Paul Revere came through town on his
\nride, and we’re the birthplace of Uncle Sam.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3476, from switch, 1165 chars, Fri Sep 30 17:16:46 1994
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\nTITLE: Day Three, partly
\nI wonder why I posted my updates on the Ottawa Festival in \/inkwell. I
\nmust have been tired. Oh, well.<\/p>\n

I’m taking a break, because I’m pooped. There was a very nice retrospective
\nof Australian animation this morning, and after that it was straight to the
\nAnimators’ Picnic. There was food, drink (alcoholic and non), a bonfire,
\nmarshmallows, pumpkin carving, etc. And, of course, people. Marv Newland
\nwas there, but I didn’t get a chance to talk to him. Joyce Borenstein was
\nseen several times; I got a chance to talk to her a bit yesterday, but that
\nwas for only a few minutes. Talked a bit with folks from Pacific Data
\nImages (Janna, I think her name was) and MTV (Andrew Jones, I think.)<\/p>\n

Oh, yes — I talked a bit with Linda Simensky and Gabor Csupo — Csupo said
\nthat Klasky-Csupo is looking at doing feature projects.<\/p>\n

Right now, a few people are at Chez Ani, looking at people’s films.
\nBasically, whenever Chez Ani isn’t being used for a workshop or panel,
\nanyone can show their latest work or work in progress. Right now I’d love
\nto watch — some friends have some work in there — but I’m pooped. Time
\nto rest.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3477, from hmccracken, 105 chars, Fri Sep 30 17:37:52 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3476.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nWow! Why can’t anywhere in the U.S. have animation festivals as good
\nas the Ottawa bash sounds?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3478, from switch, 154 chars, Fri Sep 30 17:52:25 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3477.
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\nWhat about the Los Angelese Animation Celebration?<\/p>\n

Otherwise, all I can think of are festivals abroad: Annecy, Hiroshima, Zagreb.<\/p>\n

Gee, I dunno \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3479, from hmccracken, 460 chars, Sat Oct 1 14:18:48 1994
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\nTITLE: The United States of America vs. The Pink Panther?
\nWhile channel-surfing yesterday, I chanced upon a news report that
\npreviewed court cases which will be up before the Supreme Court this
\nsession. One case apparently has something to do with the Pink Panther and
\nhis role as spokespanther for Owens-Corning Fibreglas, but I came in on
\nthe tail end (pun intended!) of the story, and didn’t get any details.
\nAnyone know what this case involves?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3480, from davemackey, 184 chars, Sun Oct 2 10:39:29 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3476.
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\nI’m glad to hear you’re enjoying yourself at the Ottawa festival. Say hi to
\nTom Knott and those wacky Nickelodeon folks, Jerry Beck and Linda Simensky!
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3481, from hmccracken, 10995 chars, Mon Oct 3 12:40:32 1994
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\nFrom: hm********@BI*.c<\/span>om<\/span>
\nDate: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 12:40:05 -0400 (EDT)
\nTo: hm********@BI*.c<\/span>om<\/span>
\nMessage-ID: <94*******************@BI*.c<\/span>om<\/span>>
\nSubject: From rec.arts.animation<\/p>\n

Path: news.delphi.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!sutro.SFSU.EDU!shogun
\nFrom: sh****@su***.E<\/span>DU<\/span> (Mike M. Tatsugawa)
\nNewsgroups: rec.arts.anime,rec.arts.manga,rec.arts.animation
\nSubject: Anime Expo Info Posting
\nDate: 1 Oct 1994 08:28:30 GMT
\nOrganization: The Society for the Promotion of Japanese Animation
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\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sutro.sfsu.edu
\nXref: news.delphi.com rec.arts.anime:117246 rec.arts.manga:9961 rec.arts.animation:23555<\/p>\n

General Info
\nAnime Expo ’95
\nLos Angeles Airport Hilton
\nJune 30 – July 2, 1995<\/p>\n

“Welcome to the Wonderful World of Animation”<\/p>\n

Updated September 28, 1994<\/p>\n

New Information for September:
\nVideo Simulcast theater to be added
\nLive Programming Hours Extended
\nNew Hotel
\nNew Pricing Structure for dealers
\nNew Dates<\/p>\n

Guests of Honor:
\nTo be announced<\/p>\n

Other Guests: Scott Frazier<\/p>\n

Special Thanks to:
\nBandai, Kitty Animation, Manga Video, Streamline, Mikado, Pioneer,
\nTokuma Shoten, U.S. Manga Corps, U.S. Renditions, Viz Communications,
\nNikaku Japanese Arts<\/p>\n

Anime Expo will be focusing on three important areas this year:<\/p>\n

Japanese Animation and Manga:
\nAnime Expo has a history of bringing in top name Guests of Honor, special
\npremieres and guests and fans from all over the world. As such, we
\nare the largest convention with a focus on Japanese animation and manga
\nin the United States.<\/p>\n

Modeling:
\nWe will continue with our tradition of having modeling contests and
\ndisplays.<\/p>\n

Computer and American Animation:
\nIn order to bridge the gap between East and West, and between
\ntradition and modernization, Anime Expo will feature American and
\nComputer Animation at our convention as equal partners to their
\nJapanese counterparts.<\/p>\n

Memberships
\nUntil Dec 1st: Dealers $200 Members $30
\nUntil Apr 15th: Dealers $250 Members $35
\nUntil June 1: Dealers $300 Members $40
\nAt-Con Memberships: $45
\nOne-Days: $25\/day (Available only AT the convention)
\nAssociate Memberships $15 (Assoc Memberships outside of NA cost $20)<\/p>\n

** No memberships accepted between June 1st and the convention. **<\/p>\n

All checks should be made payable to:
\nThe Society for the Promotion of Japanese Animation
\nor
\nAnime Expo<\/p>\n

Please allow 4-6 weeks for the processing of your membership or
\ndealers’ table.<\/p>\n

Each table purchase includes two complimentary memberships. Additional
\nmemberships available at prevailing rates. Each dealers table will be
\n8 x 10 feet. No limit on tables.<\/p>\n

Room Rates are:
\n$75 for a single-quad at the Hilton (Primary Hotel)<\/p>\n

Parking rates are $6\/day for registered guests and $4\/12 hr day for
\nvisiting guests.<\/p>\n

Hotel reservations can be arranged directly through the LAX Hilton at
\n(310) 410-4000 or 1-800-HILTONS or by contacting Ladera Travel at
\n(213)-772-1511. Their toll free number for those outside of California
\nis (800) 624-6679<\/p>\n

Travel arrangements, including airline, rooms, rental cars, etc. can
\nbe provided by Ladera Travel.<\/p>\n

Package deals for foreign flights originating outside North America are
\ncurrently in the negotiation process. Please contact Ladera Travel for
\nmore information.<\/p>\n

Rates and other information provided is subject to change without
\nnotice.<\/p>\n

Frequently Asked Questions:<\/p>\n

Q: What kind of panels will Anime Expo have?<\/p>\n

We will try to give each major attending company one panel to show
\noff all of their new products and do a Q&A with the audience so that
\nthey can receive input on their work. We hope that this panel
\nfacilitates better understanding among fans and professionals in the
\nanime and manga industry. The second key feature of our panels is
\nthat we will be doing focuses on each of our GoH’s.<\/p>\n

Remember, the convention is here for the fans, not the other way
\naround, so tell us what you want to hear!<\/p>\n

One major change that AX ’95 will have over previous years is that our
\nlive programming will now go until Midnight to provide the evening with
\nas many things to do as the days.<\/p>\n

Suggestions and correspondence should be sent to:<\/p>\n

Mickey Dair & Steve Barnes (Live Programming Coordinators)
\nli**@an********.o<\/span>rg<\/span><\/p>\n

Q: What will be in the Art Show\/Auction?<\/p>\n

It will include the usual art show flats, but will also have space for
\n3-D models as well. We are looking at holding modeling workshops and
\nfans interested in having the art show do a lot of focuses on models
\nshould let us know. One key workshop that we will be holding is a cel
\nworkshop featuring Scott Frazier, the only foreigner to teach animation
\nin Japan and also the author of a textbook on anime used by many of the
\nanimation schools in Japan. We will also have the usual artist’s ghetto
\nand will be taking reservations. Please mail if interested.
\nCorrespondence regarding submissions and staffing should be sent to:<\/p>\n

John Yung (Art Show Supervisor)
\nar*@an********.o<\/span>rg<\/span><\/p>\n

Q: What will you guys be showing?<\/p>\n

We will also be running three video programming tracks. One
\nor two will be broadcast and two will be in video theaters.<\/p>\n

For obvious reasons, we can’t advertise what will be shown at the con.
\nWhat I can say is that the largest collection of subtitled anime in
\nthe country will probably be brought together at the con.<\/p>\n

We are hoping that U.S. Renditions, AnimEigo, Streamline and U.S.
\nManga Corps, Manga Video, A.D. Visions, and all of our friends in
\nJapan will share their wealth of animation with us for showing
\nat the Expo. Expect a jam-packed weekend of non-stop anime.<\/p>\n

There will also be numerous film and video premieres. Titles will be
\nlisted in the upcoming progress reports.<\/p>\n

We are also looking at setting up a simulcast theater for those of you
\nwho will not be staying in the hotel.<\/p>\n

Video submissions and questions should be directed to:<\/p>\n

Patrick Lee (Video Programming Coordinator)
\nvi***@an********.o<\/span>rg<\/span><\/p>\n

Q: What else will there be?<\/p>\n

We will be continuing the tradition of giving awards to the anime
\nindustry for excellence in anime. The categories will be listed in PR
\n#1 and the actual voting will take place at the convention. The two
\nmain awards will be for best video of 1995 and the Voter’s choice of
\nbest Expo premier.<\/p>\n

There will also be a masquerade\/costume competition and karaoke.<\/p>\n

There will be a gaming area for D&D, Magic, etc. but also with anime related
\nroll playing games. There will hopefully be a gaming competition. (This
\nwill be announced in PR #2)<\/p>\n

If there are things you guys want, write to:<\/p>\n

Steven Barnes & Mickey Dair (Programming Coordinators)
\nli**@an********.o<\/span>rg<\/span><\/p>\n

Q: What will be the attendance?<\/p>\n

Official attendance at Anime Expo ’94 was more than 2,100.
\nThis year, with better publicity, and a year’s worth of momentum, Anime
\nExpo ’95 is shooting for 2,500. We’re America’s largest international
\nJapanese animation convention, and the diversity of our memberships
\nreflects it.<\/p>\n

Q: What about the Dealers’ Room?<\/p>\n

Most of the dealers from last year will be attending, and we expect a lot
\nof new additions to the family. We have created a 14,000 square foot Dealers’
\nHall and have set aside approximately than 80 booths. We expect Anime Expo to
\nhave the most dealers in anime history. With the dealers’ table requests
\nthat we’ve received from everywhere, it seems obvious you will be able to
\nfind things at Anime Expo you’ve never seen before and may never see again
\n(unless you go to Japan). One precaution though. The Convention will be
\ncracking down on illegal merchandise. Not only is it likely that
\nthe designers and owners of the characters and movies will be
\nthere, but we’re trying to get the message to Japanese wholesalers and
\nretailers that there is a market in the U.S. This policy will protect
\nboth you the consumers and the legitimate owners of the goods.<\/p>\n

There is no maximum on the numbers of booths a dealer can purchase. Each
\ndealers’ booth comes with two complimentary memberships, one membership
\nfor the dealer and one additional membership for dealers’ assistants.<\/p>\n

For more info, write to de*****@an********.o<\/span>rg<\/span><\/p>\n

Q. What should I do if I want to volunteer?<\/p>\n

Volunteers are recommended to buy memberships at the cheapest
\nrate possible ASAP. Later, we will send out info on how to sign up as
\nwell as the forms in Progress Report #1. Just send in the forms and our
\nvolunteer liaison will contact you and you will just have report to the con
\nfor your assignments. We will provide crash space and food (staff and
\ngofers get meager (i.e. two meals a day) amounts of food to sustain
\nthemselves for three days). At the end of the con, turn in your volunteer
\ntimecards and your membership money will be refunded through the mail.
\nWe will not be taking volunteer sign-ups at the convention, so prospective
\nvolunteers, get your money in! (Volunteering is also the best way to
\nget on the staff.)<\/p>\n

To sign up or get more details, write to:<\/p>\n

Rob Ketcherside (Volunteer Coordinator)
\ngo***@an********.o<\/span>rg<\/span><\/p>\n

Q: What will be in the Progress Reports and when is it due out?<\/p>\n

The Progress Reports will have info on all of the above mentioned topics
\nvolunteer registration info, and flight and hotel registration information.
\nPR #1 and PR #2 will be mailed out in February and May. Progress Reports
\nwill be mailed out until we run out of them.<\/p>\n

Inquiries about lost PR’s should be sent to:
\nTerry Yeung (Registration Supervisor)
\nre*@an********.o<\/span>rg<\/span><\/p>\n

Q: What is this I’ve heard about The Anime Reference Guide?<\/p>\n

Every year, Anime Expo cranks out their publication, The Anime Reference
\nGuide. We intend to continue this tradition. This year’s book should
\nfeature a completely new generation of synopses and a new cover. Past
\ncover art has been done by Mikimoto and Sadamoto. It runs 112 pages.
\nThey are also currently on sale through Diamond\/Advanced Comics, Nikaku
\nand Books Nippan. We intend to do a new one this year, but we need
\nsubmissions by talented writers.<\/p>\n

Submission Inquiries can be sent to Charles McCarter (ARG Copy Editor)
\nar*@an********.o<\/span>rg<\/span><\/p>\n

Sales Inquries can be routed to Terry Yeung (ARG Sales Manager)
\nre*@an********.o<\/span>rg<\/span><\/p>\n

Please forward this to all Bulletin Boards<\/p>\n

Electronic Mail Inquiries can be sent to:<\/p>\n

Mike Tatsugawa (Anime Expo Publicity Coordinator)
\nsh****@su***.e<\/span>du<\/span>
\nor
\nsh****@sp**.c<\/span>om<\/span><\/p>\n

To receive a copy of our most up-to-date posts, mail to
\nin**@an********.o<\/span>rg<\/span> and one will be automatically E-mailed to you.<\/p>\n

You can also call the Anime Expo Info line at (310) 268-8454.
\nThis line is for info purposes only, and you CANNOT leave messages.<\/p>\n

Memberships and all mail correspondence should be sent to:<\/p>\n

Anime Expo
\nc\/o The Society for the Promotion of Japanese Animation
\n2425 B Channing Way, Suite 684
\nBerkeley, California 94704<\/p>\n

—
\nMike Tatsugawa, AKA shogun: The busiest anime fan in the world!
\nPresident, SPJA: 2425 B Channing, Suite 684, Brk, CA 94704
\nPublicity Coordinator, Anime Expo ’95<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3482, from hmccracken, 496 chars, Tue Oct 4 12:33:22 1994
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\nTITLE: See the Fifty Greatest Cartoons of All Time
\nSorry for the late notice, but Boston-area BIXen should know that the
\nBrattle Theater in Harvard Square will be showing the fifty greatest
\ncartoons ever made — as determined by a poll of cartoon experts,
\nhistorians, and fans — over the next four Tuesday nights at
\n7:30pm, beginning tonight. The showings are in conjunction with
\na new book, _Fifty Greatest Cartoons_, by Jerry Beck, who will be
\nat tonight’s show autographing copies.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3483, from hshubs, 50 chars, Tue Oct 4 13:45:02 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3482.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nIs there going to be a videotape version of this?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3484, from hmccracken, 265 chars, Tue Oct 4 14:31:15 1994
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\nThere *should* be — it would make for a great tape — but I doubt that it’s
\nlegally feasible, since the cartoons in question come from so many studios.
\nI doubt that Disney, Warner, MGM, and the others would all agree to put
\ntheir films on a single tape.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3485, from hshubs, 110 chars, Tue Oct 4 15:24:48 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3484.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nWhat? You mean that there are cartoons from other than WB that would
\nqualify?? Hm, novel concept, that one.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3486, from hmccracken, 193 chars, Tue Oct 4 22:41:00 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3485.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nWell, if you haven’t seen any of Tex Avery’s great MGM cartoons —
\nseveral of which made the top fifty — you’re missing out on one
\nof life’s, and cartoon history’s, great pleasures.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3487, from hshubs, 129 chars, Wed Oct 5 12:33:58 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3486.
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\nTom and Jerry need not apply, though I’d love to be proved wrong. These
\ndays, when T&J come on, I groan and change the channel.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3488, from hmccracken, 3693 chars, Wed Oct 5 18:11:57 1994
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\nTITLE: So What Are the Fifty Greatest Cartoons of All Time, Anyhow?
\nWell, according to _Fifty Greatest Cartoons_, a new book based on a poll of
\nanimation fans, professionals, and others, the top fifty ‘toons are as follows:<\/p>\n

1. What’s Opera, Doc? (Warner Bros., 1957; directed by Chuck Jones)
\n2. Duck Amuck (Warner Bros., 1953; directed by Chuck Jones)
\n3. The Band Concert (Disney, 1935; directed by Wilfred Jackson)
\n4. Duck Dodgers in the 24 1\/2th Century (Warner Bros., 1953; directed by Chuck
\nJones)
\n5. One Froggy Evening (Warner Bros., 1956; directed by Chuck
\nJones)
\n6. Gertie the Dinosaur (1914; Winsor McCay)
\n7. Red Hot Riding Hood
\n(MGM, 1943; directed by Tex Avery)
\n8. Porky in Wackyland (Warner Bros.,1938; directed by Bob Clampett)
\n9. Gerald McBoing Boing (UPA, 1951; directed by Robert Cannon)
\n10. King-Size Canary (MGM, 1947; directed by Tex Avery)
\n11. Three Little Pigs (Disney, 1933; directed by Bert Gillett)
\n12. Rabbit of Seville (Warner Bros., 1950; directed by Chuck Jones)
\n13. Steamboat Willie (Disney, 1928; directed by Walt Disney)
\n14. The Old Mill (Disney, 1937; directed by Wilfred Jackson)
\n15. Bad Luck Blackie (MGM, 1949; directed by Tex Avery)
\n16. The Great Piggy Bank Robbery (Warner Bros., 1946; directed by Bob
\nClampett)
\n17. Popeye the Sailor Meets Sinbad the Sailor (Fleischer, 1936; direction
\ncredited to Dave Fleischer)
\n18. The Skeleton Dance (Disney, 1929; directed by Walt Disney)
\n19. Snow White (Fleischer, 1933; direction credited to Dave Fleischer)
\n20. Minnie the Moocher (Fleischer, 1932; direction credited to Dave
\nFleischer)
\n21. Coal Black and de Sebben Dearfs (Warner Bros., 1943; directed by Bob
\nClampett)
\n22. Der Fuehrer’s Face (Disney, 1943; directed by Jack Kinney)
\n23. Little Rural Riding Hood (MGM, 1949; directed by Tex Avery)
\n24. The Tell-Tale Heart (UPA, 1953; directed by Ted Parmalee)
\n25. The Big Snit (Nat. Film Board of Canada, 1985; directed by Richard
\nCondie)
\n26. Brave Little Tailor (Disney, 1938; directed by Bill Roberts)
\n27. Clock Cleaners (Disney, 1937; directed by Ben Sharpsteen)
\n28. Northwest Hounded Police (MGM, 1946; directed by Tex Avery)
\n29. Toot, Whistle, Plunk, and Boom (Disney, 1953; directed by Ward Kimball)
\n30. Rabbit Seasoning (Warner Bros., 1952; directed by Chuck Jones)
\n31. The Scarlet Pumpernickel (Warner Bros., 1950; directed by Chuck Jones)
\n32. The Cat Came Back (Nat. Film Board of Canada; directed by Cordell Barker)
\n33. Superman (Fleischer, 1941; direction credited to Dave Fleischer)
\n34. You Ought to Be in Pictures (Warner Bros., 1940; directed by Friz Freleng)
\n35. Ali Baba Bunny (Warner Bros., 1957; directed by Chuck Jones)
\n36. Feed the Kitty (Warner Bros., 1952; directed by Chuck Jones)
\n37. Bimbo’s Initiation (Fleischer, 1931; direction credited to Dave Fleischer)
\n38. Bambi Meets Godzilla (International Rocketship, 1969; directed by Marv
\nNewland)
\n39. Little Red Riding Rabbit (Warner Bros., 1941; directed by Friz Freleng)
\n40. Peace on Earth (MGM, 1939; produced by Hugh Harman)
\n41. Rooty Toot Toot (UPA, 1952; directed by John Hubley)
\n42. The Cat Concerto (MGM, 1947; directed by Bill Hanna and Joe Barbera)
\n43. The Barber of Seville (Lantz, 1944; directed by Shamus Culhane)
\n44. The Man Who Planted Trees (Societe Radio-Canada, 1987; directed by
\nFrederick Back)
\n45. Book Revue (Warner Bros., 1946; directed by Bob Clampett)
\n46. Quasi at the Quackadero (1975; directed by Sally Cruikshank)
\n47. Corny Conerto (Warner Bros., 1943; directed by Bob Clampett)
\n48. A Unicorn in the Garden (UPA, 1953; directed by Bill Hurtz)
\n49. The Dover Boys (Warner Bros., 1942; directed by Chuck Jones)
\n50. Felix in Hollywood (Sullivan, 1923; animated by Otto Messmer)<\/p>\n

(Read on for a review of the book…)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3489, from hshubs, 119 chars, Wed Oct 5 18:15:44 1994
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\nThat’s a heck of a list! I’ve not seen ’em all, either. I really
\nhope they put the compilation out on video somehow.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3490, from hmccracken, 1563 chars, Wed Oct 5 18:19:06 1994
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\nTITLE: Review: _The Fifty Greatest Cartoons_
\nThose animation fans who attended the aforementioned screening at the
\nBrattle Theater in Cambridge, Mass. not only saw a great show; they also
\ngot to be among the first to purchase copies of _The Fifty Greatest
\nCartoons_ (Turner, $29.95; edited by Jerry Beck). The book won’t be in
\nstores for another couple of weeks.<\/p>\n

All in all, this coffee table book is a very nice job. Almost every
\ncartoon in the top fifty gets four pages (except for Disney films, which
\nget two pages apiece, probably for copyright reasons). Each listing
\nincludes credits, a plot description, and an appreciation, the latter of
\nwhich are supplied by noted animation writers such as Leonard Maltin, mike
\nBarrier, Charles Solomon, Jami Bernard, and many others.<\/p>\n

There are lots of gorgeous color illustrations, as well as pencil
\ndrawings, model sheets, and other pieces, and they’re worth the price of
\nthe book in themselves. (So is the cover, a wraparound illustration
\nfeaturing everyone from Mickey Mouse to Michigan J. Frog.) The one problem
\n— and it’s a fairly big one — is that virtually none of the artwork is
\ncaptioned. You’ve got to figure out exactly what it is for yourself, which
\nusually isn’t hard but sometimes is (especially since there are some
\nmodern-day recreations as well as vintage art).<\/p>\n

Even so, the book is a lot of fun — and in these days when animation
\ncopyright-holders zealously guard their creations, it’s a wonder that MGM,
\nDisney, Warner, and the rest all participated in the production of this
\nvolume.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3491, from hmccracken, 740 chars, Wed Oct 5 21:35:13 1994
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\nTITLE: And speaking of top-cartoon lists…
\nThe Cartoon Network recently aired a _Best of the Cartoon Network_ special
\nto mark its second birthday. The show contained the following shorts, deemed
\nby the network’s staff as the best they’ve ever shown:<\/p>\n

_A Dream Walking_ (Popeye, 1934)
\n_Pecos Pest_ (Tom and Jerry, 1955)
\n_Corny Concerto_ (Bugs Bunny, 1943)
\n_Wabbit Twouble_ (Bugs Bunny, 1941)
\n_Great Piggy Bank Robbery_ (Daffy Duck, 1946)
\n_King-Size Canary_ (1947)<\/p>\n

Oddly enough, while Chuck Jones directed nine of the top fifty cartoons in
\nthe _Fifty Greatest Cartoons_ book, he didn’t direct any of these selections.
\nBob Clampett, on the other hand, directed half of the six films chosen by
\nthe ‘Toon Network as all-time greats.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3492, from jjanney, 269 chars, Thu Oct 6 05:02:48 1994
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\nI notice that the few entries after 1960 are mostly from Canada.<\/p>\n

re: Quasi at the Quackadero — does anyone know what Sally Cruikshank
\nis doing these days? The most recent thing I can remember seeing was
\nsome movie credits, I think it was _Nasty People_.<\/p>\n

Jim Janney<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3493, from switch, 205 chars, Fri Oct 7 23:44:15 1994
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\nTITLE: Ottawa
\nThe introduction and first part of my retrospective of this year’s Ottawa
\nInternational Festival of Animation is now in \/long.messages. Much more will
\nfollow over the next week or so.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3494, from hmccracken, 386 chars, Mon Oct 10 00:31:31 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3492.
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\nI’m not sure what Sally Cruikshank has been up to lately — but as of 1992,
\nshe was working on some projects for Sesame Street, and had just finished
\nthe credits for the Kirstie Alley movie _Madhouse_. Other live-action films
\nwith Cruikshank credits include _Ruthless People_, _Loverboy_, and _Mannequin_.
\nShe was also contemplating working on a new short called _Mean Mall_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3495, from jjanney, 282 chars, Mon Oct 10 06:08:35 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3494.
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\n> _Ruthless People_<\/p>\n

*That* was the one I was thinking of. And
\nit dates from 1987 or thereabouts. Glad to hear she’s still working.
\nI saw “Face Like a Frog” about a year ago in a “Best of..” collection
\nand it’s been running through my head ever since.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3496, from hmccracken, 288 chars, Wed Oct 12 20:09:05 1994
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\nTITLE: Mark Your Calendars…
\n…for the Animation Conference’s special Trivia Weekend, to mark our
\nfifth birthday! There will be two CBIX trivia events:<\/p>\n

Saturday, October 22nd at 3pm ET, and
\nSunday, October 23rd at 9pm ET.<\/p>\n

Stay tuned for news of prizes and other details!<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3497, from hmccracken, 392 chars, Wed Oct 12 21:38:41 1994
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\nTITLE: The Dream Team
\nJeffrey Katzenberg may have left the Disney studio, but he’s landed in some
\npretty classy company. Katzenberg, Steven Spielberg, and music\/movie mogul
\nDavid Geffen have announced plans to form an entertainment company together.
\nAmong its projects will be animated films — which, with Katzenberg’s
\ninvolvement, could prove a real threat to Disney’s dominance.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3498, from hmccracken, 736 chars, Tue Oct 18 20:13:09 1994
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\nTITLE: Fifth Birthday CBIX Weekend!
\nTomorrow is the fifth anniversary of the BIX animation conference, and
\nwe’re going to be holding two on-line trivia parties this weekend to
\ncelebrate.<\/p>\n

The first one will be this Saturday, the 22nd, at 3pm ET, and the second
\none will be at 9pm ET on Sunday the 3rd. Naturally, there will be prizes,
\namong them:<\/p>\n

* Free BIX time
\n* The International Tournee of Animation Volume 2 video
\n* The World of Ginger Fox graphic novel
\n* Abbott and Costello: The Classic Comics book
\n* Who Framed Roger Rabbit graphic novel
\n* Goofy: The Good Sport book
\n* Asterix and the Goths graphic novel
\n* 101 Dalmatians poster<\/p>\n

…and more!<\/p>\n

Please join us in the animation CBIX area for these two great bashes!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3499, from hmccracken, 627 chars, Wed Oct 19 12:27:47 1994
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\nTITLE: …And we don’t look a day over four
\nToday marks the fifth anniversary of the BIX animation conference.
\n(The conference was created on October 19th, 1989, and opened to
\nthe public shortly thereafter.)<\/p>\n

The first half-decade has been a lot of fun, and I’d like to thank
\nthe many BIXen who have contributed opinions, facts, and general
\nenthusiasm to our discussions (not to mention files to our listings
\nsection).<\/p>\n

Many thanks, everybody, and please stick around for the next five
\nyears! In the immediate future, please attend one or both of
\nour CBIX trivia parties this weekend, during our big trivia weekend.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3500, from hmccracken, 888 chars, Fri Oct 21 00:16:12 1994
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Jack Tippit
\nIt’s getting so I dread opening the newspaper each morning — the number of
\ncartoonists who have passed away this year has been regrettably large.<\/p>\n

The most recent one is Jack Tippit, who has died in Lubbock, Texas at the
\nage of 70. Tippit was a successful gag cartoonist who is perhaps best
\nknown for _Amy_, a newspaper panel about a little girl which he drew
\nfor several decades (and was drawing at the time of his death, as far as
\nI know; I don’t know if the strip will continue). Tippit also did several
\nother syndicated comic features over the year, including a stint as the
\nwriter and artist of Carl Anderson’s _Henry_ in the 1980s. He gave the
\nlong-running pantomime strip a vitality it had lacked for many years.<\/p>\n

Tippit was also one of the founders of the Museum of Cartoon art, and served
\nas its first director, a post he held until 1979.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3501, from robairmackey, 100 chars, Fri Oct 21 22:17:50 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3500.
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\nHe also did a panel for one of the newsweekly magazines (Parade, I think)
\ncalled “The Family Flak”.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3504, from davemackey, 400 chars, Sat Oct 22 20:18:29 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3264.
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\nAnd on the subject of “Addams Family”, let’s all pray for the health and
\nwell-being of Raul Julia, who suffered a massive stroke last weekend and is
\nnow on life support. I like this guy. He’s played in lots of fine films,
\nchief among them “Kiss Of The Spider Woman” and “Moon Over Parador” and even
\nspent time on “Sesame Street” as Luis’ fix-it shop partner, Raphael.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3505, from hmccracken, 105 chars, Sat Oct 22 20:24:58 1994
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\nThat’s *terrible* news! He’s a fine actor, and I hope he makes
\na speedy and complete recovery.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3506, from hmccracken, 393 chars, Sun Oct 23 01:01:53 1994
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\nTITLE: Roger Rabbit on P-P-P-Pentiums
\nA few days ago, I said I didn’t know if Bill Gates was a cartoon
\nfan. I still don’t, but now I can safely say that Roger Rabbit is
\na computer buff. More specifically, Charles Fleischer — Roger’s
\nvoice — has a column in the current issue of _PC Computing_.
\nIt’s called “Reality Bytes,” and I’m not sure if it’s a one-shot
\nor a monthly feature.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3507, from switch, 294 chars, Sun Oct 23 02:42:27 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3506.
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\nFleischer’s been knowledgeable about PCs for a while — when he was in
\nMontreal for the Just For Laughs festival about three years back, he paid a
\nvisit to the computer store I worked at, and we chatted about the then-new
\nMS-DOS 5.0 at length before I couldn’t contain myself any longer.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3508, from hshubs, 53 chars, Sun Oct 23 13:30:18 1994
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\nNo such luck. Last I heard, he slipped into a coma.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3509, from rgswartz, 283 chars, Sun Oct 23 23:18:31 1994
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\nTITLE: Energizer commercial<\/p>\n

Anyone know how the Energizer commercials with the fake people is done?
\n(The memorable wone is the Aunt(?) that does the face plant in her plate.)<\/p>\n

I haven’t still framed it yet, but I wondered if perhaps they were people made
\nup and not real animation.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3510, from hmccracken, 190 chars, Mon Oct 24 18:57:36 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3509.
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\nWe were just discussing this very issue in CBIX last night.<\/p>\n

I think the ad’s done mainly with real people in makeup, possibly with some
\ncomputer retouching (like _Max Headroom_).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3511, from lkaplan, 82 chars, Mon Oct 24 19:19:44 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3504.
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\nWord on the CBS news this evening was that Raul Julia died
\ntoday at age 54.<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3512, from davemackey, 424 chars, Mon Oct 24 21:46:17 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3509.
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\nIt’s weird because I brought the subject up last night in CBIX. They’re real
\npeople with lines painted on their faces to make them look like toys. Harry
\nspeculates there may be computer touch-up.
\nI always wish that the guy with the giant battery on his back who is
\nbarbecuing steaks on the grill would turn around for just one split second.
\nDid somebody say “do not dispose of in fire?”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3513, from davemackey, 96 chars, Mon Oct 24 21:46:33 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3508.
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\nRaul Julia has died. He was 54. What a talent. He’ll be missed.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3514, from ianl, 277 chars, Mon Oct 24 22:51:04 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3509.
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\n————————–<\/p>\n

I figured it was real people. The commercial reminds me of those gawd-awful
\n_Dog Boy_ segments from Liquid TV, which would be enough to make me shun
\nEnergizers, except that I can’t do that because I’m already shunning all
\nnon-rechargible batteries; have been for y
\nears.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3515, from hmccracken, 318 chars, Mon Oct 24 23:53:12 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3514.
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\nActually, I think the ads in question are for Duracell, not Energizers.
\n(Energizer currently has an ad in which their bunny meets Wile E. Coyote;
\nit’s very well designed, but it doesn’t feel like a Chuck Jones
\ncartoon, because they sped up the timing to meet the demands of the
\n30-second commercial format.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3516, from hshubs, 76 chars, Tue Oct 25 01:41:56 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3511.
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\nYes, and the pinball newsgroups are ablaze with the fact. People are
\ndown.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3517, from hmccracken, 326 chars, Tue Oct 25 11:30:23 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3516.
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\nHe was far to fine an actor to be remembered primarily for
\n_The Addams Family_ — but on the other hand, he was far too
\nfine a Gomez Addams to ignore it, either. (Especially in this
\nconference.)<\/p>\n

I don’t know if any more _Addams_ movies are in the works, but
\nlet’s hope that this sad event puts an end to any plans.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3518, from hshubs, 62 chars, Tue Oct 25 17:50:51 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3517.
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\nWhat happened to the guy who played “Gomez” in the TV series?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3519, from hkenner, 158 chars, Tue Oct 25 20:38:07 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3518.
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\n>>..guy who played “Gomez” in the TV series ..
\nJohn Astin? Married Patty Duke and seems to have faded away. A pity
\nbecause he was a *very* able actor.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3520, from hmccracken, 374 chars, Tue Oct 25 21:05:38 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3519.
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\nI meant no respect to John Astin (who made a fine Gomez himself). I’d just
\nhate to see them replace Julia with a ringer in order to keep the Addams
\nFamily money machine going.<\/p>\n

I haven’t seen Astin (who divorced Patty Duke some years ago) in anything
\nlately, but he does show up from time to time. Does the odd cartoon voice,
\ntoo — including one for _Taz-Mania_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3521, from hshubs, 51 chars, Wed Oct 26 11:15:49 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3520.
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\nPerhaps they could get him to play an “old Gomez”?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3522, from kipw, 167 chars, Wed Oct 26 20:38:56 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3521.
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\nJohn Astin had recurring roles in “Eerie, Indiana” (currently
\non Disney Channel) and “Brisco County, Jr.” You also see him
\nin a recurrent part in “Night Court.”
\n–Kip<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3523, from kipw, 826 chars, Wed Oct 26 21:02:01 1994
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\nThe 10\/29 TV GUIDE has an article by James Kaplan
\n(whose bio describes him as a father of two) called
\n“Superheroes or Zeros?” Kaplan says he has watched a
\nlot of cartoons, and the article bears him out.
\nThese are not cursory or ignorant reviews.
\nHe likes “Gargoyles” but notes that it requires some
\nparental supervision. He approves of “Batman” (and notes
\nthat Robin is a more interesting character).
\nHe rips into “bad animation” as personified by “X-Men”
\nand a few other shows. He includes “The Tick” in the
\ncategory of bad animation, but notes that the great
\nwriting (which he quotes from) separates it from the
\nsteroidal mass.
\nHe also discusses merchandising a bit.
\nI’m glad to see “The Tick” get good press. I myself wouldn’t
\nsay the animation was “bad,” just that it’s on the level
\nof X-Men, only with a brain.
\n–Kip<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3524, from lkaplan, 280 chars, Wed Oct 26 22:15:16 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3523.
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\n>I’m glad to see “The Tick” get good press<\/p>\n

I agree. I’ve got a 9-year-old (and no cable), and it’s nice to
\nfind a network cartoon these days that’s OK for him to watch,
\nisn’t a blatant commercial, AND is intelligent enough that my
\nwife and I can sit and enjoy it with him.<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3525, from dgh, 142 chars, Thu Oct 27 02:00:36 1994
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\nI thought they were Copper-Top ads, with an Energizer-looking battery as the
\nshort-lived one in the mother-in-law.
\n,
\n|) \/\\ \\\/ | +)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3526, from hmccracken, 409 chars, Thu Oct 27 09:59:53 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3525.
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\nYup, they’re Duracell ads.<\/p>\n

As incredibly popular and durable as the Energizer bunny is,
\nI’ve heard that most people don’t remember what brand of
\nbattery he hawks. I believe the bunny was originally a take-off
\non Duracell ads which showed battery-powered toys (which these
\nnew Duracell ads with robotic people build upon)…but the two
\nad campaigns seem to have blended together in the public mind.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3527, from hmccracken, 209 chars, Thu Oct 27 12:20:11 1994
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\nTITLE: Trivia CBIX Redux
\nDue to popular demand, we’re having another CBIX Trivia Party this
\nSunday night at 9pm ET. Please join us for questions, answers, fun,
\nand prizes! A good time is guaranteed.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3528, from hkenner, 123 chars, Thu Oct 27 12:22:50 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3526.
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\nCertainly blended together in mine. I’ve *never* known for whom
\nthe bunny bangs (the rabbit my wife loves to hate).
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3529, from ianl, 207 chars, Fri Oct 28 01:16:42 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3522.
\n————————–<\/p>\n

Coincidentally, I saw John Astin just now, on E!, hosting some show about
\nold Hollywood scandals or some such. Interestingly, he doesn’t look as old
\nnow as he did for the Night Court bits he used to do.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3530, from hmccracken, 529 chars, Fri Oct 28 14:17:20 1994
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\nTITLE: Disney Housekeeper Leaves Tidy Sum to Disadvantaged
\nThelma Howard, who passed away last June, was the housekeeper in
\nthe Disney home for more than thirty years. She used to receive gifts
\nof Disney stock from the family for birthdays, Christmas, and other
\nevents — stock which ended up being worth more than nine million
\ndollars at the time of her death. Howard left half of her estate to
\npoor and otherwise disadvantaged children, and half to her son, who
\nlives in a home for the developmentally disadvantaged.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3531, from hmccracken, 663 chars, Sat Oct 29 17:16:22 1994
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\nTITLE: Yes another book on the making of _Snow White_
\nAt Barnes and Noble today, I saw a prominent display of animation books
\n(including Hugh Kenner’s _Chuck Jones: A Flurry of Drawings_, by the way).
\nThe one brand-new book was _Snow White: An Art in its Making_, which is
\nthe umpteenth volume on the making of _Snow White_ that’s come out over
\nthe years. This one’s from Hyperion, Disney’s publishing arm. Since it was
\nrather slim and cost forty-five dollars, and all the copies were
\nshrinkwrapped, I didn’t pick it up. (Actually, with B&N’s discount, it
\nwould have only been $36, but I’d still like to see the insides before I
\nplunk down my money.)
\n— Harry
\n_<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3532, from hmccracken, 305 chars, Sun Oct 30 18:05:46 1994
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\nTITLE: Check out today’s _New York Times Book Review_…
\nfor a highly favorable review of hkenner’s _Chuck Jones: A Flurry of
\nDrawings_. The review is by animator and historian John Canemaker
\n(author of the excellent _Winsor McCay_ and _Felix: The Twisted Tale
\nof the World’s Most Famous Cat_).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3533, from davemackey, 159 chars, Tue Nov 1 18:16:08 1994
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\nJohn Astin also did the voice of Gomez for the most recent Hanna-Barbera
\nversion of “The Addams Family” a couple of years ago.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3534, from hmccracken, 766 chars, Thu Nov 3 14:39:35 1994
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\nTITLE: Chuck Jones Goes Interactive
\nTime Warner Interactive has released _Chuck Jones’ Peter and the Wolf_,
\na multimedia CD-ROM for Windows and Macintosh that turns Prokofiev’s
\nclassic music into a high-tech experience with 22 minutes of animation
\nby Chuck Jones. (To be exact, Jones designed the characters; the direction
\nis by Disney veteran Bill Kroyer.) The disc comes packaged with an
\naudio CD of the music, and features the voices of Kirstie Alley and
\nLloyd Bridges. Conductor George Daugherty — Jones’s collaborator on
\n_Bugs Bunny on Broadway_ — supervised the entire project.<\/p>\n

I have the package here, but have not had a chance to load it up yet.
\nMore comments once I do; if the disc is anywhere near as slick as the
\npackaging, it’ll be a treat.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3535, from hmccracken, 787 chars, Thu Nov 3 14:44:40 1994
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\nTITLE: Burbank Auction
\nAnimation auctioneer Howard Lowery will be holding his next event
\nat the Hilton hotel in Burbank, California, on November 13th.
\nThe catalog for the auction shows some incredible material, including
\na painting of Bugs Bunny that hung in Leon Schlesinger’s office in the
\n1940s (valued at \u001b0$10,000 or more) and a script that Walt Disney annotated
\nwith comments and numerous drawings of characters shortly before his
\ndeath. (This document is particularly interesting, because every book on
\nDisney has said that he did little or no drawing after 1928 or so.)<\/p>\n

As I’ve said before, Lowery’s catalogs are worth getting even if you
\ncan’t afford to bid on the glorious items inside them. Call his
\ngallery at (818) 972-9080 for more information on subscriptions.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3536, from hmccracken, 372 chars, Thu Nov 3 23:44:39 1994
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\nTITLE: Mad Memoirs
\nLook in your local bookstore for _Good Days and Mad_, a lavish-looking
\nbehind-the-scenes book on _Mad_ magazine by Dick DeBartolo, who has
\nwritten for the publication for several decades. This is the second
\nsuch book by a _Mad_ author; the first was Frank Jacobs’s excellent
\n_The Mad World of William M. Gaines_, published in the early 1970s.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3537, from lkaplan, 286 chars, Fri Nov 4 19:30:45 1994
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\nNot written by a _Mad_ author, but worth a read also, is
\n_Completely Mad_, by Maria Reidelbach.<\/p>\n

EC’s other comic books (“Tales from the Crypt”, “Weird
\nFantasy”, and many others) and the Senate Subcommittee on
\nJuvenile Delinquency are also discussed in the beginning of the
\nbook.<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3538, from mikester, 455 chars, Sat Nov 5 20:00:44 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3520.
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\n>I haven’t seen Astin (who divorced Patty Duke some years ago) in anything
\n>lately, but he does show up from time to time. Does the odd cartoon voice,
\n>too — including one for _Taz-Mania_.<\/p>\n

Astin was in an episode of “Mad About You” last season playing a
\ndead-ringer for Gomez Addams. When Paul told Jamie that “Gomez Addams” was
\nliving in the penthouse of their building, she replied “Raul Julia is
\nliving _here?_”<\/p>\n

—Mike (Satisfied user of Galahad)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3539, from mikester, 326 chars, Sat Nov 5 20:00:45 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3515.
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\n>Energizer currently has an ad in which their bunny meets Wile E. Coyote;
\n>it’s very well designed, but it doesn’t feel like a Chuck Jones
\n>cartoon, because they sped up the timing to meet the demands of the
\n>30-second commercial format.<\/p>\n

I like the Energizer Bunny meets Darth Vader one.<\/p>\n

—Mike (Satisfied user of Galahad)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3540, from kipw, 112 chars, Sun Nov 6 19:08:53 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3533.
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\nAlso, I see by the TV Guide that John Astin’s voice is on
\ntonight’s episode of “Duckman.” He gets around.
\n–Kip<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3541, from hmccracken, 114 chars, Mon Nov 7 13:46:46 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3537.
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\nI keep meaning to pick that book up, especially now that it’s
\navailable as a remainder for $9.98 or so.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3542, from hmccracken, 732 chars, Mon Nov 7 13:50:39 1994
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\nTITLE: Enchanted Drawings
\nCharles Solomon’s _Enchanted Drawings: The History of Animation_
\nhas been re-released in an affordable new hardcover edition.
\nWhen the book first appeared a few years ago, it was $75; the
\nnew version is a much more sensible $29.95. (You do have to
\nforego the cel-like dustjacket of the initial edition, though.)<\/p>\n

Solomon’s book has some superb illustrations, but the text (of
\nthe first printing, anyway) is a disappoint, offering relatively
\nlittle information that can’t be found in Leonard Maltin’s
\n_Of Mice and Magic_. The first edition also had far too many
\nmisspellings, misidentifications, and other small errors; the
\npreface to the new edition says that many of these have been
\ncorrected.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3543, from davemackey, 433 chars, Tue Nov 8 00:51:08 1994
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\nI did pick it up. It seems to have gone right onto the bargain
\ntables at my local Waldenbooks and Barnes and Noble (where I
\nfinally picked up a copy of “Chuck Jones: A Flurry Of Drawings”,
\nwhich is a wonderful book). I never did get the original
\n“Enchanted Drawings” but do remember your criticism of the original’s
\ntext being too close to Maltin. I can concur that it is in the
\nsecond edition.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3544, from hmccracken, 521 chars, Tue Nov 8 09:31:33 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3543.
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\nThe new edition of the Solomon book is an example of whatever
\nyou call an edition that is produced to go directly into the
\nremainder section. Several animation books have been produced in
\neditions for this purpose, the most notable example being
\nChristopher Finch’s _The Art of Walt Disney_, which is still being
\nsold this way more than twenty years after its publication.
\n(You can tell that this is a book from another era when you see
\nthat it concludes with a chapter on the making of Disney’s _Robin
\nHood_.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3545, from hmccracken, 506 chars, Tue Nov 8 09:34:26 1994
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Shorty Rogers
\nShortly Rogers has died in California, age 70. Rogers was a distinguished
\njazz trumpeteer and composer,a TV\/movie composer whose work ranged
\nfrom Brando’s _The Wild One_ to _The Partridge Family_, and an arranger
\nwho contributed to some of the Monkees’ best work.<\/p>\n

For animation fans, however, he will always be remembered as the composer
\nansd musician behind Friz Freleng’s wonderful _Three Little Bops_, the
\nlate 1950s jazz parody of Disney’s _Three Little Pigs_.
\n– Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3546, from davemackey, 780 chars, Thu Nov 10 06:34:52 1994
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Michael O’Donoghue
\nMichael O’Donoghue, one of the writers from the original “Saturday Night
\nLive” and a sometimes dabbler in animation, died on Monday of a stroke.
\nHe was 54.
\nO’Donoghue was one of the meaner spirits of the original SNL
\ngang. He frequently appeared on the show in his “Mr. Mike” persona and
\nalso showed up to describe how various people would react to having
\nsteel needles plunged into their eye sockets.
\nO’Donoghue was also a contributor to “National Lampoon” in the
\n1970’s, and was the writer of the original theatrical cartoon “The
\nItsy Bitsy Spider”, which was spun off into a weekly series for USA
\nNetwork.
\nAmong O’Donoghue’s survivors is his wife, SNL musical director
\nCheryl Hardwick.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3547, from davemackey, 385 chars, Thu Nov 10 07:00:46 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3455.
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\nThe Cartoon Network is also promoting this contest. You can call
\n1-800-515-TOON to get the details.
\nThe promo is peppered with details from a number of storyboards and
\nmodel sheets of Cartoon Network characters, plus live-action gag footage of
\nthe Termite Terrace gang. (There’s one scene of film editor Treg Brown making
\na string of paper dolls.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3548, from hmccracken, 261 chars, Thu Nov 10 08:32:18 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3546.
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\n…And before he did any of those things, O’Donoghue gained
\nattention as the author of _Phoebe Zeit-Geist_, a satirical
\nscience fiction comic strip that was drawn by Frank Springer.
\nIt appeared in the pages of the _Evergreen Review_ starting
\nin 1966.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3549, from robairmackey, 172 chars, Thu Nov 10 20:49:59 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3546.
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\nFor the last year, he was the writer of the back page of “Spin” magazine’s
\ncalled “Not My Fault!” It was vulgar, mean-spirited, sacrilegious…and very
\nMichael O’Donoghue.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3550, from davemackey, 321 chars, Fri Nov 11 20:02:05 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3549.
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\nMr. Mike also recently wrote a book of cartoons about the Presidential
\ncat, Socks.
\nI don’t read Spin any more, so it is in hindsight comforting to
\nknow that O’Donoghue didn’t lose any of his acerbic tendencies. I thought
\nhis marriage to Cheryl would have mellowed him a bit.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3551, from hmccracken, 453 chars, Sat Nov 19 00:40:31 1994
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Betty’s Protected
\nSpeaking of Betty Boop, as I just was in another topic, her classic
\ncartoon _Snow-White_ has been named by the Library of Congress to a
\nlist of films of historic or artistic importance that shouldn’t
\nbe tampered with. (Among the other new additions to this list is
\nthe Zapruder film.)<\/p>\n

I guess the LoC must like the Snow White story; I think the only other
\ncartoon they’ve named to the list is Disney’s _Snow White_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3552, from hshubs, 86 chars, Sat Nov 19 01:13:04 1994
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\nBB’s in a Snow White film??? She’s not -exactly- the type I’d think of
\nfor the part.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3553, from switch, 182 chars, Sat Nov 19 02:06:56 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3552.
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\nIt’s a great short, and features a “live” (rotoscoped) performance by Cab
\nCalloway. If you find it in your local PD tape bin, pick it up and watch it
\non a black and white TV.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3554, from davemackey, 476 chars, Sat Nov 19 06:22:23 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3553.
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\nHow ironic that we should be discussing Cab Calloway in the context
\nof the cartoon “Snow-White.”
\nI regret to report that Cab Calloway passed away last evening at
\nthe age of 86. He had a long and prosperous career that was cut
\nshort a few months back when he had a massive stroke.
\nBesides “Snow-White” Calloway also lent his talents to “Minnie
\nThe Moocher” and “The Old Man Of The Mountain”, two other Betty
\nBoop cartoons.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3555, from jjanney, 171 chars, Sat Nov 19 10:41:24 1994
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\nI saw that a couple of years ago in a Max Fleisher retrospective.
\nLater, when I was watching some of the stuff the genie does in
\n_Aladdin_, I found myself thinking of it.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3556, from hmccracken, 625 chars, Sat Nov 19 14:11:11 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3554.
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\nThat’s sad about Cab, although he’s one of the few performers whose
\ncareers could be described as being “cut short” at the age of 86!
\nHe was on the road entertaining us for more than six decades — a
\npretty amazing accomplishment.<\/p>\n

Despite the fact that the Library of Congress chose _Snow-White_ to
\nhonor, I think that both _Minnie the Moocher_ and _The Old Man of the
\nMountain_ are better films — indeed, probably Betty Boop’s two best
\ncartoons. A lot of that had to do with Cab Calloway, both for his
\nsinging and for the fact that he was probably the ideal performer to
\nbe rotoscoped into a cartoon character.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3557, from davemackey, 119 chars, Sat Nov 19 19:16:13 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3551.
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\nAu contraire: I think “Fantasia” is also on the list, as well as “What’s
\nOpera, Doc?”.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3558, from ianl, 137 chars, Sat Nov 19 20:32:00 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3551.
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\n————————–<\/p>\n

What exactly does that mean, “Shouldn’t be tampered with?” You can’t
\ncolorize it? Can’t show just a piece of it out of context?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3559, from davemackey, 337 chars, Sat Nov 19 23:00:36 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3556.
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\nLittle tragic irony about Cab’s death: one of the New York newspapers
\nreported that Cab’s wife was down to see him at the nursing home in Delaware
\nwhere he died. Reportedly, she had made a prayer to God that if Cab was going
\nto continue to live that way, God should take him. Five minutes later, he
\ndied.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3560, from hmccracken, 213 chars, Sat Nov 19 23:17:08 1994
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\nDid the papers mention Cab’s animation connection? I remember reading his
\nautobiography — _Minnie the Moocher and Me_ — and being disappointed that
\nhe made no mention of his work with the Fleischers.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3561, from hshubs, 42 chars, Sun Nov 20 00:43:28 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3557.
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\n“What’s Opera, Doc?” is a good selection.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3562, from hshubs, 60 chars, Sun Nov 20 00:44:28 1994
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\nI’d have to agree with her. Was he in a coma or something?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3563, from hmccracken, 447 chars, Sun Nov 20 21:53:00 1994
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\nTITLE: Commercials on Your Computer
\n_TV Commercials of the 50s and 60s_ is the name of a new CD-ROM from
\nChestnut that includes over 100 vintage commercials of the past in
\nMicrosoft Video format. (Some of the ads are from the 1970s, and possibly
\nthe 1980s, though.) A bunch of them are animated, including two cartoon
\nads with the Burger King, several cereal commercials, and a very
\ninteresting ad for 409 cleanser starring Betty Boop.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3564, from davemackey, 238 chars, Mon Nov 21 06:39:01 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3562.
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\nActually, Howard, Calloway had lost much of his faculties due to a stroke he
\nsuffered back in June. (See message in animation\/main #3389.)
\nHe was not expected to recover, much less ever perform again.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3565, from davemackey, 332 chars, Mon Nov 21 06:39:09 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3560.
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\nThere has been little written in the press about Cab’s animated persona in
\nthe three Boops. Which is pretty sad, because I still maintain they are among
\nthe most brilliant cartoons the Fleischers ever made, and certainly their
\nbest use of established musical talent in the context of their cartoons.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3566, from hmccracken, 368 chars, Mon Nov 21 17:59:28 1994
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\nTITLE: Breathed in Boston
\nBerke Breathed, the creator of _Bloom County_ and _Outland_, will
\nbe appearing at Boston University’s Tsai Center to perform some sort
\nof a multimedia show and sign copies of his new children’s book.
\nThe event is on November 30th at 7pm; it’s free, but you have to get
\ntickets in advance. For more information, call (617) 236-7421.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3567, from hmccracken, 396 chars, Mon Nov 21 18:01:56 1994
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\nTITLE: Dennis’s Dad Does Fine Art
\n“From Menace to Matisse” is the title of an exhibit of _Dennis the
\nMenace_ creator Hank Ketcham’s recent paintings. It’s at Boston
\nUniversity’s George Sherman Union (second floor) through November,
\nbut I’m not sure of the exact days or hours. I will be attending
\na reception in conjunction with this show tomorrow night; watch
\nthis space for a report.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3568, from hmccracken, 246 chars, Mon Nov 21 20:47:44 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3558.
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\nI think that being on the Library of Congress’s list means that the
\nLoC strongly disapproves of anyone editing, recoloring, or otherwise
\nfiddling with the film in any meaningful way. I don’t know if it carries
\nany legal weight, though.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3569, from hmccracken, 1034 chars, Wed Nov 23 09:49:16 1994
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\nTITLE: Hank Ketcham in Boston
\nI attended the reception for Hank Ketcham’s show at Boston
\nUniversity last night. The exhibition features many of Ketcham’s
\nrecent watercolors and oils, including landscapes, self portraits,
\nand several golf paintings, not to mention a picture of Dennis
\nthe Menace as the Blue Boy. (On the whole, I liked the watercolors
\na lot more than the oil paintings.) There are also several
\nDennis the Menace originals on display, including the very first
\none, originally published in 1951.<\/p>\n

I chatted with Ketcham, an extremely nice guy who resembles what Dennis might
\nlook like at the age of seventy or so. He is in the process of handing
\nresponsibilities for Dennis over to his assistants, and says that
\nthere will be a transition period before he gives up work on the
\npanel completely. (Even after his retirement, he plans to continue
\nin a supervisory role.) He said that the new Dennis team has been
\nworking with him for quite awhile, and that there shouldn’t be
\nany striking changes in the feature.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3570, from hmccracken, 409 chars, Wed Nov 23 09:53:04 1994
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\nTITLE: _Otter Nonsense_…
\nis the name of a new, pun-filled book by Norton Juster, the
\nauthor of _The Dot and the Line_ and _The Phantom Tollbooth_,
\ntwo sixties classics that were turned into Chuck Jones animated
\nfilms. Juster’s new work is illustrated by Michael Witte, the
\nexcellent illustrator whose drawings can be seen everywhere
\nfrom _Time_ and _The New Yorker_ to _PC World_ (where I work!).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3571, from hshubs, 107 chars, Wed Nov 23 10:18:37 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3570.
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\n_The Phantom Tollbooth_ should really be made into a computer game, to
\nmake kids more likely to “read” it.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3572, from kipw, 1451 chars, Thu Nov 24 00:12:32 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3554.
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\nIt may be subjective, but I prefer Betty Boop’s SNOW-WHITE to
\nalmost any other cartoon made. It achieves a level of wierdness
\nthat keeps surpassing itself, getting screwier by the second,
\nwith a climactic performance by Cab\/Koko of “Saint James Infirmary
\nBlues” in which the background keeps bringing into view new portions
\nof a mural that echoes and comments on the lyrics. Who can resist
\nwhen Cab’s voice rises and falls like a siren on “Hey boy, hand me
\nover another shot of that boo-OOO-ooze,” as Koko’s ghostly head
\nchanges into a bottle, which he pours a shot and guzzles it from.
\nQuestion mark.
\nI can find no fault whatever with the cartoons you prefer, though,
\nHarry. The bit in “Minnie the Moocher” where the ghost warden pulls
\nthe switch on the three electric chairs and fries three ghost convicts,
\nwho then turn and give him rude gestures, is entirely satisfactory.
\nAnd combined with The Old Man of the Mountain’s dialog with Betty–
\nB: Whatcha gonna do now?
\nOM: Gonna do the best I can…
\n–we can see clearly how much the confluence of Fleischer and Calloway
\nimpressed Tim Burton and Danny Elfman. As in the scene from NIGHTMARE
\nBEFORE CHRISTMAS between Santa and Oogie Boogie that echoes it. Or in
\nElfman’s first movie score, the partially animated FORBIDDEN ZONE, in
\nwhich Elfman, playing Satan, performs a scene to the tune of “Minnie
\nthe Moocher.”
\nWhew. Sorry for the length. I love to talk about these cartoons.<\/p>\n

–Kip<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3573, from kipw, 507 chars, Thu Nov 24 00:22:26 1994
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\nTITLE: For shame, Jay!
\nLast night (Tuesday, November 22), Jay Leno was doing some silly
\nstunt of invading “The Today Show.” They happened to be talking to
\nAdriana Casselotti (sic?), who was doing her Snow White voice. Jay
\nleaped right in and started yelling at her to shut up. He was really
\nbeing an [expletive deleted] about it. Show some respect, Leno! If I
\ngot to choose between her entire output and yours, I’d opt for hers.
\n(Unless I was planning to record over the tapes, of course.)
\n–Crabby Old Kip<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3574, from rgswartz, 153 chars, Thu Nov 24 00:38:15 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3569.
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\nHave you caught the Frank Kozik posters in the Middle East (til the end of
\nNovember). It’s not animation but it’s certainly cartoonish (and very good).<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3575, from kipw, 6153 chars, Thu Nov 24 01:15:01 1994
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\nTITLE: Pocahantas in Gloucester (Warning: long post–89 lines)
\nMike Griffith and I made the short drive up to Gloucester (VA) to
\nlook in on the doings for Pocahantas’s 400th birthday. We missed the
\nparade, found a parking place, and headed for the theatre where Disney
\nwas to give a presentation on their upcoming movie, set right here in
\nthe same commonwealth that snubbed them on Disney America. (I’ll bet they
\nwould have liked to couple the movie with the park.) As we waited and were
\njoined by numerous folks, some in buses, one thing was clear: the
\npresentation was going to be late. Less clear was what would be shown.
\nWould it be the four-minute preview they show with the reissued LION KING?
\nAfter a while, some of our fellow waitees (the important ones with badges)
\nwere told it would be a 45-minute event. Aha! I said, a four-minute preview,
\nfollowed by 41 minutes on the many uses of corn!
\n45 minutes, as it happens, turned out to be the exact degree of lateness
\nof the thing, but we were happy to get in, considering that the folks in
\nbuses and the folks with badges took precedence over the folks who had been
\nstanding outside the theatre for an hour and a half.
\nSo, at 2:44 pm (11\/19\/94), Jim Pentecost (sp?) began the wing-ding with a
\ntalk on how it’s done. He spoke about how they started their research for
\nthe movie two years ago. He showed a scene from THE LION KING in scratch
\nform, rough pencil, clean-up and final. He introduced the show’s characters
\nand described the actors. Mel Gibson’s “Captain John Smith” looks just like
\nhim. Mel, that is. David Ogden Stiers plays the scheming, old, fat-faced
\nGovernor Ratcliff. (I didn’t take more precise notes on what is most likely
\npretty easy stuff to find out.)
\nNext came the “Burger King” characters: Meko, the loveable little raccoon
\nthat Pocahantas plays with. Flit (full name: Quick Henry The Flit)(ho ho),
\nthe cute little hummingbird. Percy, Ratcliff’s spoiled pugface dog who
\nlearns humility and probably cuteness after being lost in the woods and
\nsubjected to the other animals. And Grandma Willow (Linda Hunt, in her
\nfirst really tall role), a big tree with a face that talks to Pocahantas.
\nSo, at a little before three, Michael Giamo (spelling again a “best guess”)
\ncame out and justified himself to the citizens of Gloucester, explaining
\nthe Art Director’s job to people he suspected wouldn’t understand. To the
\naccompaniment of slides of local scenery, he spoke about the need for a
\nvisual symbol for Virginia. I should say “the majestic splendor that is
\nthe great commonwealth of Virginia,” because he called it something like
\nthat each time it came up in conversation. We saw four slides of the James
\nRiver, lined with trees, and he revealed that they chose two symbols for
\nthe place: horizontals. And verticals. See, we have the river; that’s
\nhorizontal. Then the trees. They’re vertical. Mike and I mocked him,
\ntastefully and discreetly.
\nMr. Giamo went on to note that their models for the Indians came from
\npioneering sketches and studies by Charles Wyatt (who was drawing Eastern
\nIndians, which were rather different from the usual images of Native
\nAmericans from out West) and, somewhat surprisingly, with an injection of
\nthe Saturday Evening Post stylings of J.C. Leyendecker! Not, however, in
\nthe costume, but in the graphic approach. Then he showed the evolution of
\nthe backgrounds, which started out looking like something from ALICE IN
\nWONDERLAND, but which ended up with a more restrained pallette and more
\nearthly looking trees that really do evoke some parts of the state.
\nAt 3:10, Glen Keane came out, pen in hand, and spoke on character design
\nwhile dashing off ilustrative sketches on the overhead projector (So \u001bOt\u001bOt\u001bOt\u001b
\nthat’s what took 45 minutes to set up!). He showed us a contemporary
\nlikeness of Pocahantas, which was definitely not in the Disney style.
\nGlen described how he was at Jamestown (or another local site–my notes
\nwere taken in the dark and between talks) and met Shirley Little Dove and
\nher sister, collateral descendants of Pocahantas, and used their features
\nto help determine Pocahantas’s pleasing facial contours. His end result,
\nput into appropriate costume, was not all that far from the engraving (as
\nhe pointed out), just more user-friendly for the 90s. The Indian Princess’s
\nname, incidentally, means “Little Mischief.” I am told her character reflects
\nthis.
\nAll the while, a Greek chorus consisting of two small boys behind us kept
\nwaiting real hard for the cartoons to start. False alarm after false alarm
\ndisappointed them (me too). Slides of stills would seem for a moment like
\na movie. Then there were movies, but they only showed one cel of Little
\nMiss Chief frozen in place as the camera panned around the multiplanes.
\nFinally, we got the four-minute clip of the feature, which had been finished
\n(the clip, not the movie) about two weeks earlier. It consisted mainly of
\nthe song “Color of the Wind” in which P. lectures John Smith on imperialism
\nand unsound environmental policies while demonstrating that mother bears
\nlove it when you pick up their kids. The animation looked great. I just hope
\nthe rest of the movie is less heavy-handed. I prefer my inspirational
\nmessages to be less obtrusive. The boys behind us didn’t care for it,
\nmost likely because it was all a song, and full of romance stuff.
\nAfterwards, Keane was telling a young woman that art school was the best
\nway to proceed if she wanted to be an animator, and I poked my nose in
\nbriefly to indulge the journalistic itch for a hot scoop. “Did any of the
\nKeane kids ever draw any of those annual ‘Billy fills in’ Family Circus
\nstrips?” I asked, with the emphasis on “ever.” “No,” was the unsurprising
\nreply, “and Dad always said those were the hardest to draw.” I thanked him
\npolitely and bowed out to let him continue his chat. Mike and I had to
\nscramble to try and get to Williamsburg to join my wife and some friends
\nat STAR TREK: GENERATIONS (which was sold out anyway). On the way, we found
\nthe time to pause briefly at McDonalds, where we admired all the horizontals
\nand verticals in the restroom wall tiling.<\/p>\n

–Kip<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3576, from davemackey, 254 chars, Thu Nov 24 23:13:33 1994
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\nI can help you on Mike’s spelling. Mike Giaimo is a former production
\ndesigner for Warner Bros. who worked on some of the recent projects of the
\nClassic Animation division like “Box Office Bunny.” He’ll do well at Disney.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3577, from hmccracken, 380 chars, Fri Nov 25 18:24:44 1994
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\nSounds like Disney is still trying to butter up the great commonwealth of
\nVirginia, perhaps with an eye towards building Disney’s America somewhere else
\nin the state. Thanks for the early report on _Pocahantas_, Kip! All I’ve seen
\nso far is the brief clip at the start of the _Snow White_ video, and I too
\nworry that it’s going to be a heavy-handed piece of p.c. stuff.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3578, from hmccracken, 215 chars, Fri Nov 25 18:26:03 1994
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\nGiaimo is already a Disney veteran — he worked with Darrell Van Citters on the
\nearly development of _Who Framed Roger Rabbit_. (See his drawings in _Animato_’s
\narticle on the subject, back in issue #20.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3579, from hmccracken, 1505 chars, Thu Dec 1 09:44:10 1994
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\nTITLE: Berkeley Breathed in Boston
\nYesterday night, I attended Berkeley Breathed’s event at Boston
\nUniversity. It was part of a book tour he’s doing to promote
\n_Red Ranger Came Calling_, his new picture book, and my first
\nreaction is to tell you that if the event comes to your city,
\nyou should drop everything and attend!<\/p>\n

Breathed began with some comments on cartooning, _Bloom County_,
\n_Outland_, and his career in general. He’s a blunt and funny
\nspeaker who said he had never intended to become a cartoonist,
\nadmitted that his early crash course in cartooning consisted
\nof copying _Doonesbury_, and said that he alienated most of
\nhis readers by dropping the _Bloom County_ name and cast of
\ncharacters when he started _Outland_. (_Bloom County_, by the
\nway, was in about 1,000 papers; _Outland_ is in 250. That
\nmay have something to do with the fact that Breathed seemed to
\nsay that _Outland_ will probably cease publication in the not-
\ntoo-distant future.)<\/p>\n

Breathed’s new interests lie not so much on the comics page as
\nin picture books, computer software, movies, and other media.
\nAfter he concluded his opening remarks, he presented a multimedia
\nversion of _Red Ranger_, in which he read the text accompanied
\nby projected pictures from the book and background music. It was
\nextremely effective; it’s a fine Christmas story, and he did
\na splendid job of reading it. He hopes to turn the story —
\na deeply personal one inspired by his father’s tale-telling —
\ninto a live-action TV movie.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3580, from hmccracken, 519 chars, Thu Dec 1 09:47:42 1994
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Ralph Stein
\nRalph Stein died on Sunday in Old Saybrook, Connecticut. He was
\n85.<\/p>\n

Stein was a cartoonist who was one of several who drew Popeye’s
\nadventures in the _Thimble Theater_ comic strip in the years
\nafter the death of E.C. Segar, Popeye’s creator. (He’s the
\nsecond Popeye artist to die in recent weeks; Bud Sagendorf passed
\naway recently.) Stein also drew a feature called _Here’s How_,
\nand wrote several books, including _Treasury of the Automobile_
\nand _The Pinup from 1852 to Now_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3581, from hshubs, 28 chars, Thu Dec 1 10:50:58 1994
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\nWhen was “now”, in “Pinup”?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3582, from hmccracken, 64 chars, Thu Dec 1 13:05:22 1994
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\nI wondered that myself! The _Times_ obit didn’t say.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3583, from hmccracken, 721 chars, Fri Dec 2 15:43:44 1994
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\nTITLE: Yet Another Obituary
\nIrwin Kostal, a veteran film composer and conductor, died on
\nNovember 23rd at the age of 83.<\/p>\n

Kostal won Oscars for his work on _The Sound of Music_ and
\n_West Side Story_, but his passing is worth mentioning here
\nbecause of his work on several Disney films that combined
\nanimation with live action, including _Mary Poppins_,
\n_Bedknobs and Broomsticks_, and _Pete’s Dragon_. Kostal
\nalso conducted the score for the re-recorded version of
\n_Fantasia_ that was produced in the early 1980s. (This
\nversion, which did away with Leopold Stokowski’s soundtrack,
\nis inaccurately called a “restoration” in today’s _New York
\nTimes_ obituary. It has since been replaced with the original
\ntrack.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3584, from hmccracken, 1683 chars, Fri Dec 2 20:42:31 1994
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\nTITLE: Hurrah for the U.S. Postal Service!
\nNo, I’m not celebrating the recent rise in the cost of stamps. But on May 4th,
\n1995, the post office will announce a series of stamps that I’m sure to buy
\nlarge quantities of: a set celebrating great American comic strips.<\/p>\n

There will be twenty stamps in the set, and while the official list of
\nsubjects has not been announced, the Washington Post says they will
\ninclude ones featuring Alley Oop, Barney Google and Snuffy Smith, Blondie,
\nBrenda Starr, Bringing Up Father, Dick Tracy, Flash Gordon, Gasoline
\nAlley, Krazy Kat, Li’l Abner, Little Nemo, Little Orphan Annie, Nancy,
\nPopeye, Prince Valiant, Terry and the Pirates, The Katzenjammer Kids,
\nToonerville Folks, and Rube Goldberg’s crazy inventions.<\/p>\n

Note that these are all strips that have been around for decades, and with
\none exception, their creators have all died. The post office has a rule
\nthat it doesn’t honor people with stamps until they’ve been dead for ten
\nyears. Since cartoon characters tend not to die, they’ve apparently
\napplied that rule to the creators of the strips in question.<\/p>\n

The exception is Brenda Starr; creator Dale Messick is still around,
\nalthough she’s been retired for many years. If I had to guess, I’d suspect
\nthat the post office wanted to honor at least one strip created by a
\nwoman, and couldn’t think of any notable strips invented by dead female
\ncartoonists. (Perhaps they should have selected Little Lulu, created by the
\nlate Marge?)<\/p>\n

Anyhow, this has been years in the making, and it’s great news. I’ve never
\nbeen a stamp collector, but I’m going to be waiting in line the day these
\nare available, sometime in October of next year.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3585, from davemackey, 664 chars, Sat Dec 3 08:38:57 1994
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\nThere seems to be a movement at the USPS toward these 20-stamp collectible
\nsheets. They are currently pushing a similar 20-stamp sheet of Old West
\nstamps, which have information about their subjects printed on the reverse
\n(something the Post Office has done from time to time). My guess is that many
\nof them in the hands of collectors will stay in the more collectible sheet
\nform, with the decorative selvage still attached.
\nUnlike you, I have been a stamp collector at times, though not
\nactively these days. I have a pretty solid United States collection covering
\nthe years 1940 to 1988, and a small Great Britain collection.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3586, from hmccracken, 220 chars, Sat Dec 3 16:08:19 1994
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\nTwo updates on the comic-strip stamps:<\/p>\n

1) The list I posted above was missing one character who will appear on
\none of the stamps: the first great comic character of them all, the
\nYellow Kid.<\/p>\n

2) WHERE’S POGO?<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3587, from lkaplan, 328 chars, Sat Dec 3 20:47:11 1994
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\n> WHERE’S POGO?<\/p>\n

Might it be considered too “politically incorrect” nowadays? I
\nhope not, but I recall reading some years back that there were
\npeople upset with the strip for attacking sacred cows (mostly
\nthe sacred cows, I think ;-).<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

(OTOH, Yellow Kid had its political moments, and Krazy Kat, and
\nLi’l Abner, and ….)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3588, from hmccracken, 604 chars, Sun Dec 4 13:02:08 1994
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\nI don’t think political correctness explains Pogo’s absence. The post
\noffice is paying tribute to Little Orphan Annie and Dick Tracy, two strips
\nthat were decidedly right-wing and politically incorrect in their day.
\nThey’re also giving a stamp to Li’l Abner, which managed to offend members
\nof both ends of the political spectrum.<\/p>\n

I think it’s possible that Pogo didn’t get a stamp because he didn’t
\nappear in a nationally-syndicated comic strip until around 1950 or so; the
\nother honorees all started before that. In any event, the list I posted
\nwas a preliminary one; Pogo may make it yet.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3589, from lkaplan, 479 chars, Sun Dec 4 13:42:22 1994
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\n>I don’t think political correctness explains Pogo’s absence.
\n>The post office is paying tribute to Little Orphan Annie and
\n>Dick Tracy, two strips that were decidedly right-wing and
\n>politically incorrect in their day.<\/p>\n

You’re probably right, it was just a thought (I suppose I’ve
\nbeen reading too much about PC lately).<\/p>\n

I can see LOA’s politics, but Dick Tracy? What were the
\npolitics there? (I’m sure they were there, but I missed them at
\nthe age I last saw the strip)<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3590, from rgswartz, 63 chars, Sun Dec 4 14:12:10 1994
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\nI neever got much out of Pogo–at any age. What’s the appeal?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3591, from hmccracken, 902 chars, Sun Dec 4 21:34:01 1994
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\nI can understand not getting much (or anything, actually) out of the recent
\n_Pogo_ revival done by Walt Kelly’s kids and others. And Kelly’s own work
\nwent into decline from a narrative standpoint after the first ten years
\nor so. But have you seen _Pogo_ in its glory days, from 1950 to 1960?
\nExtraordinary art and an incredible range of humor — slapstick,
\nliterary allusions, political satire, and more. And a cast of characters
\nthat are, for me, the most real people ever to appear in a newspaper
\ncomic strip — despite the fact that they’re a possum, alligator,
\nowl, and other animals.<\/p>\n

If you’ve seen this stuff and don’t like it, I don’t think anything
\nI can say will convince you of its greatness. Take a look at
\nKelly’s book _Ten Ever-Lovin’ Blue-Eyed Years with Pogo_ (which
\nwas published around 1960 but may still be in print); it provides
\na great overview of _Pogo_’s best period.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3592, from rgswartz, 137 chars, Mon Dec 5 00:26:03 1994
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\nAll I have seen was whatever was being published in the late 60s and a
\nsmattering sinnce. I’ll have to look for the original some time.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3593, from hmccracken, 374 chars, Wed Dec 7 00:16:26 1994
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\nTITLE: The battery commercials with the robotic people…
\nwhich we were discussing awhile ago were the subject of a short piece
\non tonight’s _Dateline NBC_ program. (Thanks to kipw for alerting
\nme to this!) I thought that computers were somehow involved in
\ncreating the effect, but apparently it’s all done with high-tech
\nmasks, fancy costumes, and clever makeup.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3594, from elfhive, 1074 chars, Wed Dec 7 09:26:47 1994
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\nTITLE: Bart’s voice on Scientology
\nMonday morning brought a truly odd couple to the FOX Morning News here in
\nDC — IVeronica Cartwright and Isaac Hayes. The occasion of their visit was
\nsome promotional convention by the Church of Scientology — L.Ron Hubbard’s
\nscience fiction “religion.” It constantly amazes me that people are still
\ncaught up in this organization which was essentially created on a dare
\nback in the 40’s that Hubbard could come up with a “religion” with some
\nkind of scientific basis.
\nVeronica was bright and chipper but had to defer to Isaac when it came to
\ntrying to answer questions about how the “E-meter” works. He was obviously
\nhaving difficulty conveying the concept that it could actually measure the
\nmass of thought. At least that was what I got out of it. This whole topic
\nwould truly be worthy of at least one satirical episode of the Simpsons.
\nI wonder if Veronica would do it?
\nThe reporter finally got around to asking the one question I think they
\nwere really on the show for: “Would you please do Bart’s voice?” The answer:
\n“No way, man!”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3595, from hmccracken, 84 chars, Wed Dec 7 09:28:32 1994
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\nGreat story, but isn’t Bart’s voice named Nancy Cartwright, not
\nVeronica?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3596, from hmccracken, 806 chars, Wed Dec 7 09:44:33 1994
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\nMaybe it’s not politicis per se, but _Dick Tracy_ was always
\nunswervingly hard-nosed and brutal. One famous quote from
\nthe strip was “Violence is golden — when it’s used to defeat
\nevil,” or somesuch. This prompted criticism, as did a sequence
\nin which Tracy cheerfully *vaporized* some bad guys and commented
\nthat you could smell their remains in the air!<\/p>\n

I’m a _Dick Tracy_ fan, but I can’t disagree with my father’s
\ncomment that one of the lessons of the strip appears to be that
\nugliness is a sign of a criminal mind — if you’re unfortunate
\nenough to look like a Prunceface or Flattop, you’re a substandard
\nhuman being. (Of course, Dick himself is no glamour boy, but I
\nthink that’s due to Chester Gould’s drawing style. That razor-
\nedged lantern jaw profile is intended to look handsome.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3597, from switch, 19 chars, Wed Dec 7 17:20:59 1994
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\nIt is Nancy.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3598, from hmccracken, 903 chars, Sun Dec 11 10:13:39 1994
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Kenny Kneitel
\nKenny Kneitel, age 52, has died in New York. Kneitel was a successful
\ngraphic designer who created work for _Saturday Night Live_, Lucky
\nStriky, the Roxy nightclub, and other clients.<\/p>\n

While it isn’t mentioned in his _New York Times_ obituary, I believe
\nthat Kneitel comes from a distinguished animation\/moviemaking family.
\nHis mother is Ruth F. Kneitel, and unless we’re talking about two
\ndifferent Ruth F. Kneitels here, that makes him the grandson of’
\nMax Fleischer and the son of Seymour Kneitel, an animation director
\nwho was one of the heads of Famous Studios (the studio that Fleischer
\nevolved into after it was taken over by Paramount). Ruth F. Kneitel’s
\nbrother is Richard Fleischer, the director of _20,000 Leagues Under the
\nSea_ and many other films; in recent years, he’s been trying to
\nspearhead a live-action film based on his father’s Betty Boop.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3599, from hmccracken, 501 chars, Thu Dec 15 21:12:30 1994
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\nTITLE: Breathed Boycotts Groundbreaking
\nWork has begun, finally, on construction for the Museum of Cartoon Art’s
\nnew home in Florida. I discovered this when I read in the _Boston Globe_
\nthat _Bloom County_ creator Berke Breathed refused to be involved in the
\ngroundbreaking ceremony. Apparently, _Garfield_’s Jim Davis was a
\nparticipant, and Breathed thinks that any museum in which the oft-merchandised
\ncat gets the same treatment as _Krazy Kat_ or _Prince Valiant_ isn’t worth
\nsupporting.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3600, from hmccracken, 1823 chars, Sun Dec 18 23:25:31 1994
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\nTITLE: Chuck Jones at the Museum of the Moving Image
\nDavemackey, former BIXen Tom Shim, and your moderator went to see the
\nChuck Jones event at the Museum of the Moving Image in Astoria, Queens,
\nNew York, this afternoon. It was a wonderful three hours which the
\nsold-out audience appeared to enjoy very much.<\/p>\n

There were ten cartoons on the program, including classics like _Feed the
\nKitty_ and _One Froggy Evening_, as well as less-known films like
\n‘the funny _Much Ado About Nutting_. We got to see three unannounced
\nbonus cartoons as well, including _Rabbit Seasoning_, _Fast and
\nFurry-ous_ (the first Road Runner) — and Chuck’s first new theatrical
\nRoad Runner in thirty years, _Chariots of Fur_.<\/p>\n

_Chariots_ is a good, solid Road Runner cartoon, with excellent art
\ndirection by Maurice Noble and some fine gags. It’s not on a par
\nwith the best Road Runner\/Coyote outings, but it’s many notches
\nabove most contemporary theatrical cartoons, and gives one reason
\nto be optimistic about the other cartoons Jones is working on
\n(including sequels to _One Froggy Evening_ and _What’s Opera, Doc?_).<\/p>\n

After the screenings, Jones spoke for almost two hours, and was
\nvery funny and incisive, though he tended to go off on tangents
\n(which was fine, since most of them were fascinating). He spoke of
\nhaving a case of “Gingrich’s Ear,” which he defined as only hearing
\nthe questions he felt like answering — but even when he didn’t
\nexactly answer the question, he was a lot of fun to listen to.<\/p>\n

As mentioned here recently, Jones is a remarkably hale and hearty
\n82; I think he would have talked with us for another couple of hours
\nif another show hadn’t been starting. At the conclusion of the event,
\nhe hung around on stage to shake hands with every audience member
\nwho wanted to do so — which was a lot of people.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3601, from hmccracken, 666 chars, Mon Dec 19 21:47:12 1994
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\nTITLE: _Time_ and _Newsweek_: The Year in Review in Cartoons
\nThe new issues of _Time_ and _Newsweek_ both look back at 1994,
\nand both involve cartoons in interesting ways.<\/p>\n

_Time_’s 10-best lists for TV and movies both include an animated
\nwork: _The Lion King_ is one of the movies honored, while
\nGary Larson’s _Tales from the Far Side_ is one of the TV shows.<\/p>\n

Meanwhile, _Newsweek_ used a clever way to sum up 1994’s events:
\nIt included an extremely large section of political cartoons
\npublished during the year, on every imaginable topic. I’m
\nsure it’s the most extensive use of cartoons that any of the
\nnewsmagazines has ever made in a single issue.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3602, from hmccracken, 443 chars, Mon Dec 19 21:49:56 1994
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\nI can now provide a slightly more detailed report on what Sally Cruikshank
\nhas been up to in recent times — because I just discovered that an
\nacquaintance of mine was Sally’s best childhood buddy, and remains a
\nfriend. Sally has not been doing much animation recently because
\nshe’s busy being the mother of a seven year-old daughter. She’s married
\nto a wealthy film producer, who was responsible for _Airplane_ among
\nother movies.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3603, from lkaplan, 567 chars, Mon Dec 19 23:10:11 1994
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\n>It included an extremely large section of political cartoons
\n>published during the year, on every imaginable topic<\/p>\n

That’s interesting, I’m going to have to try to get a copy of
\nthe magazine. I find it interesting that cartoons have always
\nbeen a better indicator of the state of a situation than any
\nrhetoric. Some years ago I read an article discussing the
\npolitical cartoons that were printed in _Krokodil_ (I believe
\nthat’s the correct anglicized spelling), the Russian humor
\nmagazine. They were a better education than anything I’d been
\ntaught in school.<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3604, from davemackey, 635 chars, Tue Dec 20 19:25:13 1994
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\nTITLE: A big Yoe-Ho-Ho for Barbie
\nCraig Yoe, who a few years ago put out a compilation book called “The Art Of
\nMickey Mouse”, has taken on another American cultural icon: Barbie.
\nThe artist, who was known a number of years ago for the “Yoe-Ho-Ho”
\nfeature in the Comics Buyers Guide, has just published “The Art Of Barbie.”
\nLike its predecessor, it includes a number of unique artistic impressions of
\nAmerica’s favorite 10-3\/4″ fashion doll.
\nIn an animation context, the book may be worth sneaking a peek at in the
\nbook store: one of the artists who has contributed to the book is Chuck
\nJones.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3605, from jjanney, 55 chars, Tue Dec 20 22:39:13 1994
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\nGood for her. It’s a loss for the rest of us, though.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3606, from hmccracken, 160 chars, Wed Dec 21 21:28:59 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3605.
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\nUnfortunately, Sally lives in Northridge, epicenter of the January L.A.
\nquake. She’s apparently had to spend much of the last year just cleaning up.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3607, from lkaplan, 509 chars, Thu Dec 22 00:10:14 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3604.
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\n(re: “The Art of Barbie”)<\/p>\n

>Like its predecessor, it includes a number of unique artistic
\n>impressions of America’s favorite 10-3\/4″ fashion doll<\/p>\n

You’re not kidding about THAT, I had a look at the book today
\nand laughed my a*s off! I’ll probably get a copy for my little
\nsister for her birthday (she had Barbies when she was little,
\nand her daughters have a bunch of the stuff).<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

(the Chuck Jones picture is a classic (but I won’t reveal what
\nit is here since most people probably haven’t seen it yet)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3608, from hmccracken, 674 chars, Fri Dec 23 11:18:15 1994
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\nTITLE: Disney’s _Jungle Book_ opens today…
\n…no, not the 1967 animated version, but a new live-action adaptation
\nthat looks like it may be more faithful to Rudyard Kipling’s tales
\nthan Disney’s first film was. (Although it does feature an orangutan
\nwearing a crown in the ad; was King Louie part of Kipling’s book?)<\/p>\n

As far as I know, this is the first time that Disney has gone back
\nand made a live-action film based on the same source the studio used
\nfor a cartoon (although they’ve done the reverse, having made
\n_Robin Hood_ in live action, then later as an animated film). If it’s
\na hit, maybe we’ll see a live action _Snow White_ or _Sword in the
\nStone_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3609, from switch, 102 chars, Fri Dec 23 22:17:18 1994
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\nMeanwhile, someone on Pulse News referred to it as a “remake of the Disney
\ncartoon”. Ouille…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3610, from hmccracken, 405 chars, Sat Dec 24 22:59:07 1994
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\nTITLE: Merry Christmas, Everybody!
\nJust a quick note to wish every member of the animation conference
\nthe merriest of Christmases (not to mention the happiest of New
\nYears!). Thanks for all your contributions during 1994, and here’s
\nto a great 1995!<\/p>\n

And while I’m thinking of Christmas: can anyone tell me if the
\nCartoon Network is doing its Black-and-White Christmas marathon
\nagain this year?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3611, from hmccracken, 484 chars, Tue Dec 27 01:03:25 1994
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\nTITLE: Better Late than Never…
\nEvery true Pogo fan knows that the greatest Christmas carol
\nof them all is Walt Kelly’s Deck Us All With Boston Charlie.
\nHere it is, a bit late but as wonderful as ever:<\/p>\n

Deck us all with Boston Charlie
\nWalla Walla, Wash., an’ Kalamazoo!
\nNora’s freezin’ on the trolley,
\nSwaller dollar cauliflower
\nalley-garoo!<\/p>\n

Don’t we know archaic barrel
\nLullaby Lilla Boy Lousiville Lou?
\nTrolly Molly don’t lovel Harold,
\nBoola boola Pensacoola hullbaloo!<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3612, from davemackey, 84 chars, Tue Dec 27 23:45:37 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3610.
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\nNo, they’ve put that little promotion on the shelf.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3613, from jjanney, 124 chars, Thu Dec 29 22:45:53 1994
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\nKing Louie was *not* in Kipling’s book. I loved that book when I was
\na kid — the movie put me off Disney for a long time.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3614, from hmccracken, 373 chars, Fri Dec 30 21:56:09 1994
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\nI read Kipling’s books long ago, but don’t remember them as well as I should.
\nI’m also familiar with them from having been a Cub Scout in London when I read Kipling’s books long ago, but don’t remember them as well as I should.
\nI’m also familiar with them from having been a British Cub Scout when I
\nhant that involved crouching down on all fours and howling like wolves!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3615, from jjanney, 194 chars, Sat Dec 31 16:36:56 1994
\nThis is a comment to message 3614.
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\nI don’t remember The Jungle Books very well myself at this point. It
\nwas my first experience with how different a movie can be from the
\nbook it is based on, and I took it rather too seriously.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3616, from hmccracken, 646 chars, Sun Jan 1 22:14:42 1995
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\nTITLE: It Was a Bad Year for Cartoonists…
\nToday’s _New York Times Magazine_ features a section of tributes
\nto noted personalities that died during 1994, and so many
\ncartoonists are among them that they’re remembered en masse
\nwith some text and a drawing by Michael Witte.<\/p>\n

The _Times_ mentions Bud Sagendorf, Jack Kirby, Walter Lantz,
\nAlfred Harvey, and Richard Scarry; unfortunately, that’s
\nonly scratching the surface of the cartoonists and cartoon-
\nrelated people who died during the year. Most of the passings
\nwere covered in this conference (although we missed a few, such
\nas the death last week of the satirist Robert Osborn.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3617, from hmccracken, 452 chars, Wed Jan 4 10:43:35 1995
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\nTITLE: Mr. Gingrich, Meet the Blue Ranger
\nYou’ve all heard by now that today’s opening session of the
\n104th congress will be a serious, productive day of sweeping
\nlegislation, free from the wasteful ceremony that usually
\ncomes with the first day of a new session.<\/p>\n

Well, maybe. Among the events planned for the day are a meeting
\nbetween members of congress and the Mighty Morphin’ Power Rangers,
\nthe hyperactive ninja superheroes of TV fame.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3618, from robairmackey, 109 chars, Fri Jan 6 01:13:50 1995
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\nAnd his Mom will tell you what he thinks about the Pink Ranger, only if
\nyou ask her to whisper it. \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3619, from hmccracken, 229 chars, Fri Jan 6 16:03:07 1995
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\nNewt’s meeting with the Power Rangers must have made quite an impression —
\non _Nightline_ last night, he compared his current popularity to that of
\nthe Rangers, or of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles three years ago.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3620, from lkaplan, 373 chars, Fri Jan 6 20:20:07 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3619.
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\n> he compared his current popularity to that of the Rangers<\/p>\n

That may be pretty close to the truth – Saban fired 3 of them
\nrecently because they asked for more money!<\/p>\n

(OK, so maybe it was the DEMOCRATS that were as popular as the
\nRangers \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

(BTW, Newt said something about the Rangers being “wonderful
\nmultiethnic icons”, but I don’t have an exact quote on that)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3621, from hmccracken, 234 chars, Sun Jan 8 18:11:23 1995
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\nTITLE: Our Next Animation CBIX…
\nwill be Sunday, January 15th, at 9pm ET! Come join our first
\nanimation open house of 1995 to discuss comics, animation, and
\nrelated topics — and to qualify for door prizes! See you there!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3622, from hmccracken, 609 chars, Mon Jan 9 21:56:29 1995
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\nTITLE: Peter Cook, RIP
\nBritish comedian and actor Peter Cook has died, at the far too early
\nage of 57. Cook was not an animator or cartoonist, but he was
\nthe founder of _Private Eye_, the excellent British satirical
\nmagazine that that has published some of England’s best political
\nand social cartooning over the past three decades.<\/p>\n

Cook will always have a special place in my heart for his
\nmarvelously funny performance in _The Wrong Box_, his first
\nfilm and one of my favorite movies, as well as his role in
\n_The Two of Us_, a short-lived situation comedy of the 1980s
\nthat I enjoyed very much.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3623, from hmccracken, 1147 chars, Tue Jan 10 00:57:04 1995
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Gary Kalkin
\nGary Kalkin, senior vice president of domestic marketing at
\nWalt Disney Pictures’ distribution arm Buena Vista, has died
\nin Los Angeles at the age of 44. The cause of his death
\nwas AIDS.<\/p>\n

Kalkin’s marketing prowess is credited with much of the
\nsuccess of _Beauty and the Beast_, _The Lion King_, and
\nDisney’s other recent animated blockbusters. He successfully
\nled moviegoers and critics to regard _Beauty_ as something
\nmore than a mere cartoon by previewing a rough cut at
\nfilm festivals; the strategy led to the film becoming the
\nbiggest animated hit of all time, and the first cartoon
\nto be nominated for an Oscar as Best Picture. Similar
\ntechniques resulted in both _Aladdin_ and _The Lion King_
\nsurpassing _Beauty_’s remarkable success.<\/p>\n

This death hasn’t made the splash in the media that the
\npassing last year of Frank Wells, Disney’s president, did,
\nbut it must be regarded as yet another major setback for
\nthe Disney company and its animated films in particular.
\nComing on the heels of the resignation of Jeffrey Katzenberg,
\nit may spell trouble for such upcoming Disney cartoons as
\n_Pocahantas_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3624, from rgswartz, 40 chars, Tue Jan 10 01:23:47 1995
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\nSheesh, is everyone dying off of late
\n?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3625, from mikester, 89 chars, Tue Jan 10 12:13:01 1995
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\nTITLE: Foxtrot
\nWe seem to be getting repeats from 1991. Anyone know what’s up?<\/p>\n

—Mike<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3626, from hmccracken, 127 chars, Tue Jan 10 13:20:57 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3625.
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\nBill Amend is probably on a brief vacation. That’s been the case in
\npast instances when _Foxtrot_ went into reruns…
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3627, from elfhive, 565 chars, Tue Jan 10 22:19:51 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3622.
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\nPeter Cook teamed up with Dudley Moore in the sixties to provide some very
\ngood laughs, possibly Dudley’s best years. In the classic film, Bedazzled,
\nCook plays Satan to Moore’s lovestruck fast food “chef.” Satan gives the
\nchef seven tries to create a situation in which the object of his affections
\nfalls for him. Naturally he keeps being foiled.<\/p>\n

There is some very funny animation in one sequence where Dudley accidentally
\nwishes he could be a fly on the wall in a morgue. If you haven’t seen this
\nfilm, seek it out!
\nI was lucky enough to find a laserdisc copy.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3628, from hmccracken, 294 chars, Tue Jan 10 22:55:00 1995
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\n_Bedazzled_ is another wonderful film. And who could forget the
\nwonderful Cook-Moore sketch about Frog a la Peche (and Peche a la
\nFrog)? They were also responsible for one of the all-time great
\nSaturday Night Live sketches, which involved auditions for a
\nprison production of _Gigi_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3629, from lkaplan, 600 chars, Tue Jan 10 23:55:23 1995
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\n>They were also responsible for one of the all-time great
\n>Saturday Night Live sketches, which involved auditions for a
\n>prison production of _Gigi_<\/p>\n

Ah yes. I think I’ve got the script for that (SNL published a book of
\n_really_ weird stuff their second or third year). It’s a shame that show
\nisn’t really funny any more (except for their (usually first break)
\n“commercials…<\/p>\n

Since we’re in “animation”, have you noticed that for the last 6 or 8
\nmonths Pizza Hut has been ripping off the old “Mr. Bill” with their
\ncommercials? They’re definitely better than the old “come to Pizza Hut”
\none.<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3630, from davemackey, 175 chars, Wed Jan 11 18:20:14 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3629.
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\nAnd that book you mention was designed by the Ken Kneitel, the son of Seymour
\nKneitel who passed away recently. (See? It’s animation-related.)
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3631, from hshubs, 52 chars, Thu Jan 12 01:31:45 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3624.
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\nWell, births of such people just aren’t as obvious.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3632, from hmccracken, 400 chars, Sat Jan 14 20:39:03 1995
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\nTITLE: Come CBIX with us!
\nJust a reminder that the animation conference will be
\nholding its first CBIX of 1995 tomorrow night (Sunday)
\nat 9pm ET.<\/p>\n

This will be an animation open house, and like any good
\nopen house, it will involve door prizes — in fact, everyone
\nwho attends will get one. It’ll be a great opportunity to
\ndiscuss comics, cartoons, and related topics, too. Please
\njoin us!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3633, from hmccracken, 1392 chars, Sat Jan 14 22:08:45 1995
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\nTITLE: Obiturary: George Price
\nSo far, 1995 is proving no kinder to cartoonists than 1994 was.
\nI’m sad to report the death of George Price, the great _New
\nYorker_ cartoonist. At least his passing was in no way
\npremature — he was 93.<\/p>\n

Price contributed to the _New Yorker_ for more than sixty
\nyears — from 1929 until just three or four years ago.
\n(He was already a successful cartoonist before becoming
\nassociated with that magazine, for magazines like the’
\noriginal _Life_ and _Judge_.)<\/p>\n

Price’s sense of humor and the subjects of his cartoons
\ndidn’t change much over the years: He drew eccentric, often
\nelderly folk who surrounded themselves with the oddest
\ncollectionss of bricabrack imaginable. (He undoubtedly had
\na huge influence on other _New Yorker_ cartoonists, especially
\nGeorge Booth.)<\/p>\n

His drawing only got more brilliant over the years — it was
\nbeautifully designed and simple, and his line was often the
\nsubject of speculation by his fellow cartoonists, who wondered
\nwhat pen produced such a distinctive look.<\/p>\n

Anyone who thinks that life is over at 30, 40, 70, or 80 should
\nlook at Price’s career. He produced some of his greatest work
\nin the early 1990s, and a Price cartoon was generally the highlight
\nof whatever issue oof the _New Yorker_ it appeared in — and I
\nwas always disappointed when I reached the end of an issue without
\nhaving seen a Price cartoon.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3634, from hmccracken, 576 chars, Tue Jan 17 21:31:31 1995
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\nTITLE: Dr. Seuss Lives
\nAccording to a full-page ad in today’s _New York Times_,
\n_Daisy-Head Maysie_ — the “lost” Dr. Seuss book that’s been
\nturned into an upcoming TNT animated special — is now available
\nin bookstores.<\/p>\n

I’ll be interested in seeing what it’s like. Wsas it found in completed
\nform, or did someone else do the final artwork? And why exactly
\nwasn’t it ever published?<\/p>\n

Also, when Seuss died, there were reports of a final, unfinished book —
\nI don’t think it was _Maysie_ — that would be published with art
\nby someone else. Did this ever come out?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3635, from robairmackey, 699 chars, Sun Jan 22 02:43:01 1995
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\nAccording the the initial buzz, this was a complete unpublished book
\nfound by Ted Geisel’s widow, in a dresser drawer. Why was it unpublished?
\nMy guess is that despite being the general width of your typical Seuss
\noeuvre, it is quite a wordy story–no “Hop on Pop” or “GE&H”, but still
\nin that standard Seuss meter. Plus I’m certain that the subtle message it
\ncarries–the usual acceptance of visible differences–would have caused it
\nto be quite out of place in 1960, when Seuss tucked this one away. Maybe
\n8 yeras later it would have been a hit. Maybe if he had published it then,
\nwe’d have been better off for it. Who knows?
\n–Robair<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3636, from davemackey, 586 chars, Fri Jan 27 05:47:53 1995
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Martin Taras
\nThe creator of Baby Huey, Martin Taras, died on November 14. He began his
\nanimation career in 1933 at Van Beuren, but is best known as an animator for
\nParamount Studios from 1945-1956 and again from 1961-1966. The intervening
\nyears were spent at Terrytoons, where he directed a handful of cartoons.
\nSince 1966 Taras worked for a variety of different studios on a
\nfreelance basis, including Hal Seeger Productions, Kim And Gifford,
\nHanna-Barbera and Ruby-Spears. He also drew comic books for Harvey and other
\ncompanies.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3637, from hmccracken, 482 chars, Fri Jan 27 13:21:00 1995
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\nTITLE: H-B Announces Storyboard Contest Winners<\/p>\n

Hanna-Barbera has announced the winners of its second annual
\nHanna-Barbera\/Cartoon Network Storyboard Contest. Chris Headrick of
\nBrookfield, WI was the grand prize winner; he gets $5,000, an all-expenses
\npaid trip to Los Angeles, and a tour of the H-B studios.<\/p>\n

Among the nine runners-up is Neal Sternecky, who may be known to members
\nof this conference as the artist and sometime writer of the revived _Pogo_
\ncomic strip.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3638, from hmccracken, 1244 chars, Fri Jan 27 13:27:34 1995
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\nTITLE: Virtual Cartoons<\/p>\n

Everybody’s talking about virtual reality these days, and since animation
\nhas been creating virtual realities for decades, its not surprising that
\nthere are some cartoon-related virtual reality projects in the works.<\/p>\n

Walt Disney World’s EPCOT Center has an excellent new attraction in which
\nyou can learn about Disney Imagineering, the fabled, and usually
\nsecretive, group which designs the Disney theme parks’ rides. Those who
\nattend the show get a preview of an upcoming ride based on _Aladdin_,
\nwhich uses a virtual-reality technology dubbed _Disneyvision_. Once you’ve
\nput on a cumbersome, two-piece helmet, you get to ride around Aladdin’s
\nworld on a magic carpet. Everything’s rendered in amazing 3-D computer
\ngraphics, and it looks sensational. My only concern is that the
\ncomplicated procedure for donning the helmet will lead to waiting times
\nfor the attraction that are scary even by Disney standards.<\/p>\n

The other upcoming cartoon virtual reality project will presumably be less
\nexpensive, if less ambitious: Fox Interactive is developing _Virtual
\nSpringfield_, a CD-ROM which lets you explore Springfield, the home town
\nof the Simpsons. This PC-based product won’t be out until some time in 1996.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3639, from robairmackey, 638 chars, Sat Jan 28 00:44:00 1995
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\nSpringfield USA is LESS ambitious than the world of Aladdin? Hmmm…I’d
\nhave to disagreee. There are lots of places featured on each episode of
\n“Simpsons” and plenty of point-and-click characters. From the school to
\nthe nuclear power plant to Moe’s to Apu’s convenience store to Krusty’s
\nTV studio, to the park, to church, the Flanders’ house next door…the
\nfolks who write and upkeep the show know there’s a very keen sense of
\ncommunity in Springfield and have maintained a conscious sense of
\ncontinutity throughout the course of the series.
\nMe? I can’t wait to explore Springfield on my own. Just so Otto isn’t
\ndriving the bus…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3640, from hmccracken, 340 chars, Sat Jan 28 10:03:16 1995
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\nI agree that Springfield is in some ways a richer world than that of
\n_Aladdin_. I was thinking more in terms of technology and graphics —
\nthe Aladdin attraction will feature spectacular 3-D animation that
\ncomes close to matching the slickness of the _Aladdin_ film. I assume
\nthat _Virtual Springfield_ won’t be able to top that.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3641, from lkaplan, 514 chars, Sat Jan 28 16:53:23 1995
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\n>…the folks who write and upkeep the show know there’s a very keen sense of
\n>community in Springfield and have maintained a conscious sense of
\n>continutity throughout the course of the series.<\/p>\n

Funny how that same concept shows up in good science fiction (book and TV) …<\/p>\n

I think it was Robert Heinlein that said that if one wants to build a
\nworld, it should be consistent with itself, and _never_ break the rules
\nthat have been established for it.<\/p>\n

The existence of the “big picture” is very important.<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3642, from davemackey, 185 chars, Sun Jan 29 06:42:00 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3637.
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\nSternecky has worked for a number of years at the Startoons studio in
\nChicago, where he’s worked on episodes of “Tiny Toon Adventures” and
\n“Animaniacs.”
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3643, from davemackey, 475 chars, Sun Jan 29 06:57:22 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3635.
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\nI took a look at “Daisy-Head Mayzie” in the bookstore the other day, and the
\nartwork didn’t look like Seuss as all, so he had probably just written it and
\nnot illustrated it.
\nIn fact, if you look at the indicia, it says somewhere “Based on the
\nanimated special by Hanna-Barbera Productions.”
\nThe design of Mayzie is typical Seuss, but some of the ancillary
\ncharacters don’t look like anything that would spring from his imagination.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3644, from hmccracken, 1824 chars, Sun Jan 29 17:30:55 1995
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\nTITLE: Review: The Funtastic World of Hanna-Barbera
\nI first heard about The Funtastic World of Hanna-Barbera — an attraction
\nat Universal Studios Florida — six years or so ago, before Universal
\nFlorida even opened. (A friend worked on it.) But I didn’t get to
\nactually experience the ride until last weekend, when I was in Orlando
\nfor business.<\/p>\n

It was worth the wait. It’s an excellent ride, and arguably the best
\nattraction to be found at Universal Florida. After waiting in line
\n(and watching H-B cartoons on video monitors), you are let into
\na room where Yogi Bear and Boo Boo greet you from video screens mounted
\non the wall. On another screen, Bill Hanna and Joe Barbera appear and
\nspeak about animation. One of them draws Elroy Jetson, and then somebody
\nmakes a disparaging remark about Dick Dastardly. Dastardly appears and’
\nkidnaps Elroy — then the audience is let into the ride itself, which is
\na rocketship simulator piloted by Yogi Bear!<\/p>\n

Yogi and the audience set off to rescue Elroy, which involves riding through
\nscenes from Hanna-Barbera cartoons that combine character animation with
\ncomputer-generated backgrounds. You travel through Bedrock (which is crammed
\nwith street scenes full of details that rush by so fast that they’re
\nalmost subliminal), then through a haunted castle accompanied by Scooby-Doo,
\nand finally into the futuristic world of the Jetsons.<\/p>\n

There are surprises along the way that I won’t spoil for you. I’m not really
\na Hanna-Barbera fan, but I enjoyed this ride mightily — it’s exciting and
\nfunny, and the most creative of the many simulator rides I’ve been on
\nlately. While no one at H-B will admit to it, the animation for the
\nattraction was actually done by the Bluth studio; H-B was deemed unable
\nto create the slick, full character animation required for the ride.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3645, from hmccracken, 2210 chars, Sun Jan 29 17:41:34 1995
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\nTITLE: More Stuff About Cartoons at Universal Studios Florida
\nWhat do Woody Woodpecker, Mighty Mouse, Casper, Fievel, Fred Flintstone,
\nPopeye, and Bullwinkle have in common? They’re all cartoon character who make
\nappearances in one form or another at Universal Studios Florida.
\nWhile Woody and the other Lantz characters have been associated with
\nUniversal for more than fifty years, they apparently weren’t deemed
\nstrong enough to support the park all by themselves — so Universal
\nhas called in the motley crew of old and new characters mentioned
\nabove.<\/p>\n

Fievel has an _American Tail_ section of the park all to himself, with
\nrides aimed at very small children. Bullwinkle and Rocky get a stage
\nshow (which wasn’t running the day I was there), plus a small store
\nthat sells nothing but Jay Ward merchandise. The Hanna-Barbera characters
\nappear in the aforementioned simulator ride, which is next door to
\nan H-B activity center and a large gift store that sells only Hanna-
\nBarbera stuff.<\/p>\n

Popeye, who also appears at the MGM Grand theme park in Las Vegas, appears
\nin the form of a real live actor made up to look like the one-eyed sailor.
\nWoody and Winnie Woodpecker also roam the park and greet guests. As far as I
\ncould see, Mighty Mouse and Casper only appear on the sign of a large gift
\nshop devoted to toon merchandise, but I presume that Casper will become
\nmore prominent once the upcoming Spielberg Casper film is released.<\/p>\n

Despite, or perhaps because of, this wealth of very different cartoon
\ncharacters, Universal seems uncomfortable with the world of animation
\ncompared to Disney-MGM Studios, its competitor at Walt Disney World.
\nDisney-MGM features the more consistent, coherent world of Disney
\nanimation, and has a real animation studio on the premises; Universal’s
\ncartoon-related offerings are more fragmented, and seem to be present
\nmainly because people expect to find cartoon characters at a theme park.<\/p>\n

As an animation fan, I’d like to see Universal make at least a little
\neffort to pay tribute to ita long association with Walter Lantz. Other
\nthan the roaming Woody and Winnie characters, and lots of merchandise,
\nthere’s nothing in the park dedicated to Lantz’s creations.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3646, from hmccracken, 641 chars, Tue Jan 31 14:18:07 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3643.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3643.
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\nI checked out _Daisy-Head Mayzie_ yesterday, and the book has the scent of
\na scam about it. It says “By Dr. Seuss,” but it’s obvious that the
\nfinished art is by someone else. (It may or may not be based on
\npreliminary art by Seuss.) Presumably, the publishers think that the book
\nis more likely to sell a lot of copies if it’s credited to Seuss alone,
\nrather than to Seuss and Joe Q. Cartoonist, so the book’s illustrator goes
\nwithout credit. I guess you’re supposed to assume that Seuss was
\nresponsible for the art.<\/p>\n

Also, the book is dedicated to Theodor Geisel. Isn’t it a bit odd for a
\nbook to be dedicated to its own author?<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3647, from kipw, 746 chars, Tue Jan 31 20:00:15 1995
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\nTITLE: Rushdie plugs Hanna-Barbera
\nThe February 6 issue of Newsweek (in our mailbox today) has an
\narticle on Salman Rushdie and his new book of stories. Author Sarah
\nChrichton starts off “To be sure, it isn’t the first time Salman
\nRushdie’s work has been suppressed. It’s just the dumbest.”
\nShe goes on to note (with appropriate sarcasm) that Turner
\nBroadcasting demanded the deletion of some lines from the
\n“Flintstones” theme. Rushdie is quoted as asking “…it sure
\nas hell is chickensh–. If I quoted these lines, somebody
\nwould shoot _Fred_Flintstone?_”
\nSadly, the article deviates from this promising beginning,
\nmentioning the Flintstones again only in passing. Rushdie
\nshould be glad he didn’t choose to tangle with Disney lawyers.
\n–Kip<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3648, from robairmackey, 182 chars, Tue Jan 31 23:48:06 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3640.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nSince it’s a cruder and easier to manipulate atmosphere, you could possibly
\npack more of Bart’s world onto a CD-ROM than Aladdin’s.
\nWhen does “Poca’s Canoe Ride” come out? \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3649, from robairmackey, 755 chars, Tue Jan 31 23:52:39 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3641.
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\nTake “The Flintstones”, for example: there is absolutely no continuity
\nrunning through the first six years of the series. There were about four
\ndifferent Mr. Slates, where Fred worked went through name changes, even
\nparts of Fred’s house looked different from episode to episode.
\nThis is why it rankles me whenever Turner tries to create continuity
\nin its published works for Bedrock–why dabble in revisionist history?
\n(On a comics note, this was a malaise Archie Comics suffered through
\nin the 1950’s and 1960’s: I even saw some “model sheets” drawn by Archie
\njuggernaut Dan DeCarlo of his room, Reggie’s room, etc…that were rarely,
\nif ever, used by Archie’s stable of artists.
\n–Robair<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3650, from robairmackey, 238 chars, Tue Jan 31 23:54:17 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3643.
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\n“Daisy-Head Mayzie” may well be the Cheez-Whiz of Dr. Seuss books. Must
\nsee the special before deciding for sure. (What the hell is “Time” magazine
\ndoing in Seuss’ universe?)
\n–Robair<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3651, from davemackey, 184 chars, Wed Feb 1 18:16:07 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3648.
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\nTwo weeks before the movie is released… its premiere, by the way, is set
\nfor June 10th in Central Park. Tickets to be distributed via a free lottery.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3652, from davemackey, 651 chars, Fri Feb 3 23:45:09 1995
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Famous Studios: the tribute
\nLast evening was opening night of the Museum Of Modern Art’s tribute
\nto Famous Studios, 1942-1967. Among the luminaries in attendance:
\nJackson Beck, Myron Waldman, John Gentilella, Shamus Culhane, Howard
\nPost, and Ralph Bakshi.
\nAdditionally, on Friday, Jerry Beck hosted an ASIFA-East screening
\nof a number of Paramount cartoons and Howard Beckerman spoke at length
\non what working for Paramount was like. Tony Peters, a writer and
\ndesigner in the 1960’s, was aboard as well.
\nThe screenings run through Sunday, if you care to trudge to the
\nsnow to get to them.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3653, from davemackey, 774 chars, Sat Feb 4 21:00:42 1995
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\nTITLE: Who wields the DNA Pen?
\nCNN has been running a report this weekend on how DNA is used to authenticate
\nanimation art. The report is part of an ongoing series called “Tomorrow
\nToday.”
\nYou will remember a while ago (animation\/tie.ins #340. 5\/28\/92) that
\nHanna-Barbera’s art program announced that all future issues will include the
\nDNA of Joe Barbera. How this is accomplished: Joe signs the artwork with a
\nspecial Sharpie-like pen which has ink infused with Joe’s DNA pattern taken
\nfrom hair and saliva samples. There is a method of authenticating the
\nsignature with a special computer scanner.
\nThe founder of Art Guard, the company that provides the verification
\nprocess, was interviewed for the piece along with Joe Barbera.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3654, from davemackey, 696 chars, Sun Feb 5 22:23:19 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3652.
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\nI did happen to catch the final two screenings today, and among those in
\nattendance were Eddie Lawrence, the Old Philosopher himself (and a prolific
\nvoice\/writer in the 1960’s), and Eddy Taras, daughter of the late animator
\nMartin Taras.
\nOne of the treats in the 1950’s program not previously mentioned: a
\nrare pencil-test version of the 1957 Casper cartoon “Ice Scream.”
\nAnd guess what? If you can get the right prints, Paramount cartoons look
\nGREAT on the big screen! Even the 16mm Harveytoons prints looked pretty good,
\nbut the 35mm IB Technicolor prints were outstanding. Hopefully Jerry Beck
\nwill let these cartoons out to play sometime again soon.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3655, from edejesus, 1182 chars, Mon Feb 6 08:29:46 1995
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\nTITLE: Help Byte Magazine?
\nTo Whom It May Concern:<\/p>\n

For a State of The Art series of articles on 3D technology to
\nappear in the July 1995 Byte Magazine, I would like to find out
\nabout topics of interest to you. In a Byte State of the Art,
\nwe present three articles in a single issue, all examining
\ndifferent aspects of a central theme. July’s central theme is
\n3D technology. As the name “State of the Art” suggests, we are
\nlooking at the latest, leading-edge technology in software and
\nin hardware. This may involve research work, R&D, or an actual
\nproduct.<\/p>\n

I can imagine 3D topics might include:
\nnew algorithms
\nvisualization systems for medical, scientific
\nor other uses
\nsimulation
\ngames
\nperspectives on computer 3D development
\nexisting and available hardware<\/p>\n

As always in Byte, we want to cover all the technical details
\nin as much depth as possible.<\/p>\n

What do you think? What would you like to see covered in 3D?<\/p>\n

Thank you in advance.<\/p>\n

Ed DeJesus
\nSenior Editor
\nByte Magazine<\/p>\n

PS
\nMy address\/phone\/fax\/e-mail information is:
\nInternet: ed******@bi*.c<\/span>om<\/span>
\nCompuServe: 76443,1723
\nPlease send e-mail to me directly, if possible, so I don’t miss
\nyour reply. Thanks!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3656, from davemackey, 1261 chars, Mon Feb 6 22:41:28 1995
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\nTITLE: Obituary: John Halas
\nJohn Halas, 82, co-founder of the Halas And Batchelor animation studio, died
\non January 20, in London.
\nBorn in Hungary in 1912, Halas moved to London in 1936, where he met a
\nfellow aspiring animator, Joy Batchelor. They married in 1940 and founded
\nHalas And Batchelor the same year. It soon became England’s most renowned
\nanimation studio, with more than 2200 productions to its credit. The studio’s
\nmasterpiece was undoubtedly an ambitious animated feature version of George
\nOrwell’s “Animal Farm”, released in 1954. They also subcontracted for a
\nnumber of American animation concerns, including King Features Syndicate (the
\nPopeye cartoons), Rankin-Bass (“The Jackson 5ive”) and DePatie-Freleng (“Hoot
\nKloot”). Other films of theirs seen in this country included “Snip Snap” and
\n“Dodo, The Kid From Outer Space.”
\nHalas also authored or co-authored more than twenty books on animation.
\nAmong them: “Masters Of Animation”, “Graphics In Motion”, “The Great Movie
\nCartoon Parade” with David Rider, “How To Cartoon” with Bob Privett, “Visual
\nScripting”, “Contemporary Animators”, and “The Technique Of Film Animation”
\nwith Roger Manvell.
\nJoy Batchelor died in 1991.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3657, from hmccracken, 452 chars, Sat Feb 11 12:06:30 1995
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Cecil Roy
\nCecil Roy has died at the Actors’ Extended Care Facility in
\nEnglewood, New Jersey, at the age of 94. Ms. Roy was a radio
\nperformer known as “The Girl of a Thousand Voices;” she also
\nprovided the voice of Little Lulu for Famous Studios’ animated
\ncartoons, and was one of several actresses to portray Casper
\nthe Friendly Ghost. I don’t know much about her career —
\nif anyone has any specifics, I’d love to hear them.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3658, from hkenner, 244 chars, Sat Feb 11 12:52:45 1995
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: A Star for CJ
\nOn Monday, Feb. 13, at 11:30 a.m., Chuck Jones will receive a Star
\non the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Place, 7007 Hollywood Blvd, north
\nside, in front of
\nCC Brown’s and across from the Roosevelt Hotel. The public is invited.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3659, from hmccracken, 264 chars, Sat Feb 11 23:09:34 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3658.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nI wish I could be there to see Jones get his star. I’ll be sure to visit
\nit on my next trip to LA.<\/p>\n

How many animators have been awarded this honor? Walt Disney has a star,
\nI’m sure, but is Jones only the second? How about Walter Lantz and Friz
\nFreleng?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3660, from davemackey, 200 chars, Sun Feb 12 09:26:32 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3659.
\n————————–
\nFreleng got his star in 1993. Lantz may have a star, too, but I don’t know
\nfor sure. There are some cartoon characters who have stars like Bugs Bunny
\nand Mickey Mouse.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3661, from hmccracken, 476 chars, Sun Feb 12 23:37:22 1995
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\nTITLE: $2,000,000 in Non-Existent Cels
\nCNN just broadcast a report on a recent Sotheby’s auction
\nof cels from _The Lion King_. Over $2,000,000 was bid for
\nthe artwork from the Disney blockbuster.<\/p>\n

What CNN didn’t mention — and what Disney tries to gloss
\nover — is that no cels were made during the production
\nof _The Lion King_. Like other recent Disney features, it
\nwas colored by computer. The cels in the auction were
\nmade specifically to be sold to collectors.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3662, from elfhive, 315 chars, Mon Feb 13 21:54:04 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3658.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nShucks, just missed it. I returned from LA on Sunday. I even went to
\nHollywood for an afternoon. Found out that Larry Edmund’s Bookstore is
\neven less stocked on animation books that last year. I did pick up
\nShamus Culhane’s primer on animation at a Santa Monica bookstore, though.
\nIt is terrific. So well written!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3663, from hmccracken, 437 chars, Mon Feb 13 21:58:19 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3662.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nThat’s OK, Elf, I know how you feel. I was in LA the week before
\nGrim Natwick’s 100th birthday party, and couldn’t stay…<\/p>\n

Somebody should write an article, or maybe even a slim book, on
\nanimation-related sites to see in the LA area. My favorite is the Dudley
\nDo-Right Emporium, the tiny store on Sunset Boulevard where you can buy
\nBullwinkle merchandise from Jay Ward’s widow. (If it’s gone out of
\nbusiness, don’t tell me!)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3664, from elfhive, 221 chars, Mon Feb 13 22:27:05 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3663.
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\nI stayed at the Park Sunset Hotel just down the street from the Emporium
\nlast year. It seemed alive and well then (same time as this year), I
\nhave to confess that I stayed out of it to protect my fragile credit
\ncards \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3665, from davemackey, 444 chars, Sat Feb 25 19:34:55 1995
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Walter Clinton: reports of his demise?
\nI just read the electronic edition of the Peg-Board for February, and noted
\nan item that stated that Walter Clinton is desirous of hearing from former
\ncolleagues at his Sun City, AZ address.
\nDidn’t Walter Clinton die two years or so? I’ve been looking through my
\nold BIX messages and APATOONS to find answers, but as yet can’t finger the
\nexact date of passing.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3666, from hmccracken, 180 chars, Sat Feb 25 21:03:42 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3665.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nGee whiz, I thought so. He was interviewed in an issue of _Animato_
\na couple of years or so ago, and I thought the interview was printed
\nafter his death. Very strange…<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3667, from davemackey, 342 chars, Sun Feb 26 08:17:22 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3666.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nI sent some e-mail to Jeff Massie on this question, and it was
\nreturned with a note saying he’d be on vacation until March 6.
\nSo it may be some time before we crack this one wide open.
\nIf Walter Clinton is indeed still alive, it’s a miracle
\nhe’s survived this long, as sick as he was.<\/p>\n

–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3668, from hmccracken, 410 chars, Sun Feb 26 11:01:21 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3667.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nWell, I dug out my copy of _Animato_ #23, which features an interview with
\nClinton. It says that it’s the last one he ever did, and that he passed
\naway in January of 1992. Unless this report of Clinton’s death is
\ngreatly exaggerated, I’d tend to believe that he is no longer with us,
\nand the Peg-Board’s blurb is garbled somehow. (Perhaps Clinton’s family
\nis interested in contacting his co-workers.)
\n– Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3669, from davemackey, 159 chars, Sun Feb 26 12:09:57 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3668.
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\nWell, you can see it for yourself… “The Peg-Board” has been posted in
\nanimation\/best.of.net. Which, I believe, you posted…
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3670, from davemackey, 1103 chars, Thu Mar 2 22:31:27 1995
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Carl Stalling, take two
\nWarner Bros. Records has released “The Carl Stalling Project, Volume 2: More
\nMusic From Warner Bros. Cartoons, 1939-1957.” (9-45430-2) Less a historical
\noverview of his career than the first volume was, this one is very heavy on
\nthe 1950’s period of his career and is more reliant on entire scores of
\nStalling taken from the music master tapes (Volume 1 specialized more in
\nmontages)..
\nCartoons whose scores are heard in their entirety are: “Zoom And Bored”,
\n“The High And The Flighty”, “The Slap-Hoppy Mouse”, “Guided Muscle”, “The
\nUnexpected Pest”, “Barbary Coast Bunny”, “Pappy’s Puppy”, and “Mouse-Taken
\nIdentity”. Again the sound quality is bright and vibrant and producers Greg
\nFord and Hal Willner have put out a first-class product.
\nLiner notes include testimony from three Warner Bros. directors: Chuck
\nJones, Friz Freleng, and Norm McCabe, as well as other critics and experts,
\nincluding former WB animator Sam Nicholson, “Animaniacs” musical director
\nRichard Stone (a latter-day Stalling disciple), and Will Friedwald.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3671, from davemackey, 485 chars, Thu Mar 2 22:31:35 1995
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Larry Silverman
\nLarry Silverman, an animator whose career spanned fifty-six years (from 1926
\nto 1982), died on January 30. He is perhaps best known for his 1950’s tenure
\nat Famous Studios under head animator Myron Waldman, most notably on Casper
\ncartoons, though he also worked for Harman-Ising during their Warner Bros.
\nyears (with screen credit on “Wake Up The Gypsy In Me”) and with
\nHanna-Barbera and Filmation in the 70’s and 80’s.
\n–Dave<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3672, from hshubs, 59 chars, Thu Mar 2 23:54:44 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3670.
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\nThis is good news. I’ll have to keep my eyes open for it.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3673, from hmccracken, 863 chars, Sun Mar 12 19:34:44 1995
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\nTITLE: News From Maurice
\nI just had a nice chat with Maurice Noble, the designer of most of Chuck Jones’s
\ngreatest cartoons (and a Disney veteran who worked on _Snow White_, _Bambi_, and
\nother films).<\/p>\n

Maurice is busier than ever, having recently returned from a 17-day tour of
\nTurkey and a guest appearance at the recent _Snow White_ museum show in
\nIndianapolis. After finishing work on _Chariots of Fur_, Chuck Jones’s
\nnew Road Runner cartoon, he moved to a startup feature animation group
\nat Turner, which is involved in the very early stages of planning for
\na theatrical film.<\/p>\n

Why is Maurice working on this project, rather than contributing to
\nChuck Jones’s upcoming sequels to _One Froggy Evening_ and _What’s
\nOpera, Doc?_ Just because he’d rather work on new ideas right now.
\nHe may be involved in future Jones projects if they sound appealing.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3674, from hmccracken, 377 chars, Sun Mar 12 21:15:08 1995
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\nTITLE: Inbetweener in \/long.messages
\nCheck out the long.messages topic for an electronic version of the
\ncurrent issue of _Inbetweener_, ASIFA-Hollywood’s newsletter. It’s
\nfull of interesting stuff, including the news that the upcoming
\nrevised version of _Fantasia_ will feature a segment that involves
\nDonald Duck as Noah’s helper, set to _Pomp and Circumstance_ (!).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3675, from hmccracken, 295 chars, Wed Mar 22 18:28:17 1995
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\nTITLE: CBIX This Sunday!
\nIts been quite awhile since our last CBIX session, so let’s get together
\nthis Sunday at 9pm eastern time for a comics\/cartoons open house.
\nThere won’t be a set agenda, but I’ll cheerfully relate news from my
\nLondon trip to anyone who’ll listen. Please join us!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3676, from hmccracken, 567 chars, Tue Mar 28 20:34:24 1995
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: What Are Katzenberg & Co. Up To?
\nLast week’s _Time_ magazine had a cover story on Dreamworks SKG, the much-touted
\nfilm studio being set up by Jeffrey Katzenberg, Steven Spielberg, and David
\nGeffen. The article devotes a fair amount of space to the new studio’s animation
\nplans, and notes that its first animated production will be _Prince of Egypt_,
\na biblical tale with music by Stephen Schwartz and Hans Zimmer. That film
\nwill be released in time for Christmas, 1998; the next planned release after
\nthat is _El Dorado: Cortez and the City of Gold_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3677, from hkenner, 130 chars, Tue Mar 28 20:59:36 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3676.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3676.
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\nRe Katzenberg & Co. —
\nAlonmgside last week’s TIME, this week’s NEWSWEEK suggests that they
\nare out on a financial limb. …
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3678, from switch, 42 chars, Wed Mar 29 21:26:06 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3676.
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\nDon’t plan to start small, do they?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3679, from hmccracken, 564 chars, Wed Apr 5 09:00:02 1995
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\nTITLE: Time for another Animation CBIX Trivia Night!
\nPlease join us this Sunday (April 9th) at 9pm ET for our first
\nAnimation CBIX Trivia Night of 1995! We’ll offer our usual
\nmultiple-choice quiz (which is fun even if you don’t know much
\nabout comics and cartoons), and will be giving away books, magazines,
\nand other prizes. It’s an extremely sociable and enjoyable event.<\/p>\n

Also, we’ll be saying goodbye to BIXen davemackey, an invaluable
\nparticipant who is unfortunately leaving BIX this month. Please join
\nus to win some prizes and wish Dave the best!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3680, from hmccracken, 652 chars, Sat Apr 8 15:05:58 1995
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\nTITLE: Trivia Night Prizes!
\nJust a reminder: tomorrow night (Sunday) at 9pm ET, we’ll be holding an
\nAnimation CBIX Trivia Night, which will also serve as a farewell party
\nfor BIXen Dave Mackey. Here are the prizes that we’ll be giving away:<\/p>\n

* A subscription to Animato magazine
\n* Multiple copies of Animato #31, hot off the press
\n* _Pogo Even Better_ (An excellent book collection of the classic strip)
\n* _Disney’s the Art of Animation_ (lavish Bob Thomas book on the studio)
\n* _The Best of H.T. Webster_ (large 1951 collection of drawings by the
\ngreat cartoonist)<\/p>\n

That’s just a sampling — we’ll also have some surprises. See you there!<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3681, from hmccracken, 785 chars, Sat Apr 8 15:11:53 1995
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\nTITLE: Animato’s Latest
\nThe new issue of _Animato_ magazine (number 31) is out, and it’s full of nifty
\nstuff. The cover story is an interview with Gerald Scarfe, the vitriolic British
\ncaricaturist, on his work on the film _Pink Floyd: The Wall_. There are also
\ninterviews with Stan Lee and voice artist Don Messick, reviews of books and
\nvideos (including an interesting-sounding volume called _Walt Disney: The FBI
\nFiles), an obituary for Doug Wildey, the creator of _Jonny Quest_, a story
\non stop-motion animators the Bolex Brothers, the results of the Animato
\nfilm poll, and lots of other material.<\/p>\n

The issue also includes my _Curiosity Shop_ column, which is devoted this
\ntime to the imitation Mickey Mouse characters who dominated American
\nanimation in the early 1930s.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3682, from hmccracken, 932 chars, Sun Apr 9 18:10:55 1995
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\nTITLE: Prizes for tonight’s trivia get-together!<\/p>\n

Here’s a complete list of the prizes for tonight’s CBIX bash:<\/p>\n

* A subscription to Animato magazine
\n* _Pogo Even Better_ (An excellent book collection of the classic strip)
\n* _Disney’s the Art of Animation_ (lavish Bob Thomas book on the studio)
\n* _The Best of H.T. Webster_ (large 1951 collection of drawings by the
\ngreat cartoonist)
\n* _Dahl’s Boston_ (terrific book of cartoons by the seasoned social
\ncartoonist)
\n* _Duckman_ comics #1
\n* _Krusty Comics_ #1
\n* _Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs_ (reprint of the classic adaptation_<\/p>\n

Our top scorer tonight gets to pick any three of the above. The
\nsecond-place finisher gets to pick two of the remaining prizes. And the
\nthird place finisher gets his or her choice of two of the remaining prizes
\nadter that.<\/p>\n

Plus: Every participant gets to choose between a free copy of _Animato_ or
\n_fps_ magazines, just for playing!<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3683, from hmccracken, 545 chars, Fri Apr 14 10:14:53 1995
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\nTITLE: Burl Ives, 1909-1995
\nBurl Ies has died. Ives was equally excellent as a folk singer and
\nas an actor, and had at least a few animation-related credits: He acted in
\n_So Dear to My Heart_, a Disney film that combined live-action and
\nanimation, and narrated _Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer_, the fixture of
\nChristmas TV. I’m sorry he didn’t do more animation work — his voice
\nwould have been great for it.<\/p>\n

Ives also did a great album of animal songs, on the Disney label, that I
\nmust have played a million times when I was a kid.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3684, from dgh, 1907 chars, Thu May 25 09:36:58 1995
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: June Foray Radio Interview
\nThe morning DJ on WAOR in Niles, MI did a phone interview with June Foray,
\n“the queen of cartoon voice work” this morning. I listened to it and took
\nnotes (on paper). I’, going to be late for work this morning so that I can
\ntranscribe my notes while the interview is still fresh in my memory. She
\nrendered samples of all of the characters mentioned in the interview.<\/p>\n

Woody mentioned that she’s considered the “female Mel Blanc” and she
\nrelated that Mel Blanc used to say that he was the “male June Foray”.<\/p>\n

When she was a kid, she did impersonations of the stars in the movies her
\nparents took her to see.<\/p>\n

She started out doing children’s story albums for a record company.<\/p>\n

Her first cartoon voice was for Witch Hazel for Disney. Chuck Jones liked
\nher so much, that he hired her to do Witch Hazel for Warner Bros.<\/p>\n

She’s the voice for Rocky and Natasha from the Rocky and Bullwinkle show.
\nAlso Nell–Dudley Doright’s girlfriend and most of the female voices in
\nFractured Fairytales.<\/p>\n

She’s Granny in the Sylvester and Tweety cartoons, including (32?) newly
\nrecorded episodes that will premiere on September 19 (no mention of where).<\/p>\n

She will be working on an Energizer battery commercial (I assume as Rocky,
\nfrom the context in which it came up), in which Boris and Natasha will
\nappear, possibly Dudley Doright, and maybe Bullwinkle (which brought up how
\nWarner Bros. rejected Noel Blanc as Bullwinkle’s voice, because they felt
\nthat he didn’t sound enough like his father’s Bullwinkle).<\/p>\n

She’s also Alice in the Honeymousers. She mentioned who did the other
\nvoices, but I didn’t write them down…<\/p>\n

—end of interview—<\/p>\n

After the first song following the interview, a promo for the morning show
\ncame on, featuring Rocky the Squirrel! “When I vacation in southwestern
\nMichigan, I always listen to _Waking up with Woody_ on WAOR, 95.3 FM.”<\/p>\n

,
\n|) \/\\ \\\/ | +)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3685, from dgh, 122 chars, Thu May 25 22:18:15 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3684.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3684.
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\nOn the drive to work, I caught another promo for “Wake up With Woody” with
\nJune Foray as Witch Hazel.
\n,
\n|) \/\\ \\\/ | +)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3686, from hmccracken, 770 chars, Thu May 25 23:28:14 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3684.
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\nSounds like it was a great interview, and similar to the personal appearance
\nJune made here in San Francisco in April. She still does all her voices
\nperfectly, and is at least as engaging and funny just being herself as
\nshe is when being Rocky or Witch Hazel.<\/p>\n

One note: Warner’s didn’t object to Noel Blanc doing Bullwinkle, since
\nBullwinkle isn’t a Warner character, and Mel Blanc never did his voice.
\nNoel was, however, his father’s choice to be his successor as voice
\nof Bugs Bunny and all the other Warner characters whom Mel voiced.
\nWhile Noel has done a Warner voice or two from time to time, he hasn’t
\ndone many — both because others come closer to Mel’s voices than Noel
\ncan, and because he apparently has no great interest in doing voices
\nfull time.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3687, from hmccracken, 1808 chars, Fri May 26 19:33:37 1995
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\nTITLE: Two Giants are Dead
\nFriz Freleng died this morning, following a long illness. Freleng was
\none of the last surviving directors from the golden age of Warner Bros.
\nanimation (others include Chuck Jones, as well as the lesser-known
\nArt Davis and Norm McCabe), and the co-founder of the Depatie-Freleng
\nstudio, which produced the Pink Panther cartoons and many other
\nanimated works for theaters and TV.<\/p>\n

Freleng’s career began in the mid-1920s in Kansas City, at the same
\nadvertising agency that gave Walt Disney, Ub Iwerks, and several other
\nimportant animators their start. After relocating to Los Angeles to
\nwork with Disney, he ended up working for Hugh Harman and Rudy Ising,
\nwhere he was involved with Warner Bros.’ Looney Tunes and Merrie
\nMelodies from the beginning. He became a director — the longest-serving
\nof all Warners’ cartoon directors — and did the first Porky Pig cartoon,
\nnearly all the Tweety and Sylvester and Yosemite Sam films, and many others.
\nWhen the Warner studio closed in the early 1960s, he founded Depatie-
\nFreleng, where he created the Pink Panther and made new films starring
\nthe Warner characters. Eventually, in the early 1980s, he ended up heading
\na revived Warner studio, and produced several theatrical compilation films
\nwhich featured both old and new animation. His involvement with the
\nindustry continued until very recently, and he had been creating limited-
\nedition cels in recent years.<\/p>\n

Freleng won several Oscars for his work, including one for the Bugs
\nBunny film _Knighty Knight Bugs_. Many of his greatest cartoons, such
\nas the jazzy Disney parody _Three Little Bops_, featured musical
\nthemes.<\/p>\n

This message’s subject line referred to two giants dying, but the other
\none deserves a message of his own — so I will continue in the next
\nmessage.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3688, from hmccracken, 1129 chars, Fri May 26 19:39:45 1995
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\nTITLE: RIP, Preston Blair
\nAs if losing Friz Freleng isn’t enough, we’ve also lost Preston Blair, one
\nof the greatest of all animators. I just heard of Blair’s death, but have
\nnot been able to confirm if it just happened recently or not.<\/p>\n

Blair is most famous for his animation of Red Riding Hood, the sexy blonde
\nco-star of most of Tex Avery’s greatest MGM cartoons of the 1940s.
\nHe also did some excellent work for Disney in the late 1930s and early
\n40s, including the owl in _Bambi_ and the dancing hippoes in the Dance of
\nthe Hours sequence of _Fantasia_. While Blair is best known as an
\nanimator, he directed or co-directed films as well, including some
\nentertaining Barney Bear cartoons in the 1950s, and headed his own
\nTV animation studio for some years.<\/p>\n

Preston Blair was also responsible for two how-to books on animation
\npublished by Walter Foster, which have been in print for decades
\n(and have recently been repacked into a single volume). These indispensable
\nworks have been a bible for aspiring animators for so long that Blair
\nprobably ranks as the most influential teacher of animation who ever lived.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3689, from hmccracken, 436 chars, Wed May 31 00:03:36 1995
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\nTITLE: And the Reuben goes to…
\nLast week in Boca Raton, Florida, the annual National Cartoonists’
\nSociety awards were given out. Winning the Reuben as outstanding cartoonist
\nof the year was Gary Larson, for _The Far Side_ (which he discontinued at
\nthe end of last year). Garry Trudeau took the award for outstanding humor
\nstrip — he’s been nominated for many NCS awards over the years, but this
\nis the first time he’s won.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3690, from hkenner, 47 chars, Wed May 31 16:21:40 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3689.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nAnd has Berke Breathed ever won anything?
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3691, from hmccracken, 370 chars, Thu Jun 1 13:56:04 1995
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\nTITLE: Christopher Reeve’s Accident
\nActor Christopher Reeve, best known for his portrayal of Superman
\n(but a darn good actor in other roles, too) has suffered a serious
\nhorse-riding accident. Reeve is currently paralyzed and on a
\nrespirator, and his doctors have no public comments to make on
\nhis long-term prognosis.<\/p>\n

Let’s hope for the best for Chris Reeve.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3692, from hmccracken, 432 chars, Thu Jun 1 14:01:48 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3690.
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\nI’m not sure if Breathed has ever won an NCS award, but he is one of only
\ntwo strip artists to get a Pulitzer, along with Trudeau.<\/p>\n

Speaking of Breathed, NBC’s recent documentary on Bill Gates (_Tycoon_)
\nfeatured an interview with Breathed, and clips of his satirical screen
\nsaver which was pulled from the market after Microsoft complained.
\n(It was a parody of _Jurassic Park_, except with Gates in the dinosaur’s
\nrole.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3693, from hmccracken, 311 chars, Wed Jun 7 03:21:47 1995
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Steve Fiott
\nSteve Fiott, editor of the New Hampshire-based Disney fanzine
\n_Storyboard_, passed away in his sleep last night. Fiott’s will
\nasks that his wife have him cremated — then sprinkle the ashes
\nover Disneyland.<\/p>\n

No word on the fate of _Storyboard_ after this untimely passing.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3694, from hmccracken, 858 chars, Sat Jun 10 01:41:27 1995
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\nTITLE: _The 100 Greatest Cartoons of the Century_…
\nis the title of a new book which purports to contain the hundred
\nfunniest newspaper and magazine cartoons ever published. It *does*
\ninclude many extremely amusing pieces (as well as a few duds), but
\nI refuse to believe that nearly all the top hundred funnies were
\npublished in the last five or ten years — yet nearly all the ones
\nin the book are that recent. The book includes multiple Dilberts,
\nCalvin and Hobbeses, and the like, yet no work by many brilliant
\ncartoonists.<\/p>\n

I guess this sort of book boils down to being a collection of the
\neditor’s favorite comics, and I don’t quite share the taste of
\nthis particular editor. My version of this book would include works
\nby George Herriman, Walt Kelly, George Price, and Tom (_Tumbleweeds_)
\nRyan — but I don’t think any are represented here.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3695, from elfhive, 369 chars, Sat Jun 10 10:16:45 1995
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: _fps_ #5
\nReceived my issue last week and congrats are in order for Emru. Nice issue!
\nI particularly enjoyed Jerry Beck’s article on widescreen cartoons and emru
\ninterview with Hanna-Barbera’s Ellen Cockrill. Thanks to Dave Mackey to
\nfor all the news bits. The new publisher seems to have infused the magazine
\nwith some higher production values. Keep ’em coming!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3696, from switch, 98 chars, Sat Jun 10 11:24:14 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3695.
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\nThanks, Elf! And I’m sure Michael (the publisher) will be happy to hear your
\nkind words \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3697, from hmccracken, 145 chars, Tue Jun 13 00:09:22 1995
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\nTITLE: Our next animation CBIX session…
\nwill be at 9pm ET on Sunday, June 25th. Mark your calendars,
\nand stay tuned for more details!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3698, from hmccracken, 766 chars, Sun Jun 18 02:38:58 1995
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: The current issue of _Premiere_
\nhas an excellent article by Peter Baskind on the state of
\nthe animation business in Hollywood. The piece focuses mainly
\non Disney’s current talent wars with DreamWorks; Jeffrey
\nKatzenberg has lured a bunch of Disney’s top animators
\nto his new studio. DreamWorks’ first animated feature, a
\ncartoon version of the Ten Commandments called _Prince of
\nEgypt_, is due to be released for Christmas 1997.<\/p>\n

Elsewhere in the issue, there are two passing references
\nto Disney’s _101 Dalmatians_ — and in each case, they
\nspell the name of the dogs as “Dalmations.” As we’ve discussed
\nhere in the conference in the past, few words are spelled as
\nconsistently wrong as this one, even in publications with armies of
\nproofreaders.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3699, from lkaplan, 483 chars, Sun Jun 18 11:53:40 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3698.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3698.
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\nRe: The current issue of _Premiere_
\n>DreamWorks’ first animated feature, a
\n>cartoon version of the Ten Commandments called _Prince of
\n>Egypt_, is due to be released for Christmas 1997.<\/p>\n

Did they give any details on this? Was it sponsored by a religious group,
\nor are they doing it on their own?<\/p>\n

It would be nice to see something like this done _right_, and not the usual
\nschlocky 5 or 6 frame-per-second (it looks like) animation that religious
\nmaterial usually seems to get.<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3700, from hkenner, 122 chars, Sun Jun 18 15:15:56 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3698.
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\nMisspellings run in cycles. “Dalmations” is currently tops. It
\neven surfaced in *National Review* 2-3 issues back.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3701, from hmccracken, 550 chars, Sun Jun 18 23:54:15 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3699.
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\nThey didn’t give too many details on _Prince of Egypt_, except to say
\nthat it was Steven Spielberg’s idea. Katzenberg expressed the desire
\nthat Dreamworks should tackle an un-Disneyesque topic for its
\nfirst animated film, and Spielberg said, “You mean like _The Ten
\nCommandments_?” “That’s *exactly* what I mean!” said Katzenberg.<\/p>\n

I don’t have any other details, but I would assume that they’ll
\nhandle the story in as entertaining a manner as possible, not as
\na religious tract. And look for it to be full of excellent
\ncharacter animation.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3702, from hmccracken, 143 chars, Sat Jun 24 21:54:09 1995
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\nTITLE: Animation CBIX on Sunday!
\nPlease join on Sunday night at 9pm ET for our latest animation
\nconference open house. See you there!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3703, from hmccracken, 520 chars, Wed Jul 5 22:48:47 1995
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\nTITLE: RIP, Eva Gabor
\nEva Gabor has passed away after an unexpected illness caused by
\ncomplications from a broken hip; she was believed to be 74.
\nThe youngest of the famous Gabor sisters may have been best
\nknown for her role on the _Green Acres_ sitcom, but she also
\nprovided voices for three Disney animated cartoons: _The Aristocats_
\n(in which, oddly enough, the Hungarian actress played a French
\ncat) and _The Rescuers_ and _The Rescuers Down Under_ (in which se
\nvoiced Miss Bianca, a crime-fighting mouse).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3704, from hmccracken, 1064 chars, Mon Jul 10 00:09:16 1995
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\nTITLE: When in Santa Rosa, Do as Snoopy Does
\nYesterday, I visited Snoopy’s Gallery and Gift Shop, a mecca for
\n_Peanuts_ fans that’s located in Santa Rosa, California, next door
\nto the Redwood Empire Ice Arena, a handsome skating rink built years
\nago by skating fan Charles M. Schulz.<\/p>\n

The Gallery and Gift Shop is a medium-sized, two-story building; on
\nthe first floor, it houses a gift store full of _Peanuts_-inspired
\nclothing, coffee mugs, writing instruments, books, prints, and other
\nmerchandise, as well as a fairly large selection of ice skate and
\nin-line skating paraphanalia. The second story is a small but interesting
\nmuseum devoted to _Peanuts_, made up mostly of Schulz originals from
\nrecent years, plus some of the many awards that the strip and its
\ncreator have won over the past forty-five (!) years.<\/p>\n

I wouldn’t plan a cross-country trip just to visit this attraction, but
\nif you find yourself in Northern California — especially in neighboring
\nSonoma or Napa — it’s definitely worth a trip. See animation\/sources
\nfor more information.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3705, from hmccracken, 429 chars, Thu Jul 13 21:32:59 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3704.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nLittle did I know when I visited Santa Rosa that as soon as I got back,
\nI’d discover a bit of horrifying comics-related news that happened in
\nthe town. Last week, the ex-wife of Charles Schulz’s business manager
\nshot him (the manager, not Schulz) and herself while at the Schulz
\nstudio in Santa Rosa. Both were wounded but not critically so, and
\nwhile Schulz was in the building when all this happened, he was not
\nhurt.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3706, from elfhive, 739 chars, Thu Jul 13 23:19:06 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3705.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nThat’s kind of creepy. I visited Charles Schulz’s daughter, Meredith, when
\nI was on my way to college many, many moons ago (we had meet in Europe,
\nwhich is another story entirely :-). I sat at dinner with the whole
\nfamily one night and stayed for a couple of days. He was kind enough to
\nautograph one of his books for me which I’ve managed to hold on to. He
\nwent through his own divorce a few months after that visit, but I haven’t
\nkept in touch with anyone in that family.<\/p>\n

He used to work in a studio that was in the same building as the guest
\nhouse I stayed in. It overlooked his nine-hole golf course. That was in
\nSebastopol near Santa Rosa. I assume he still lives and works there. Why
\nwould anyone want to leave that arrangement \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3707, from hmccracken, 238 chars, Fri Jul 14 00:39:07 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3706.
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\nIt’s not just kind of creepy, it’s *really* creepy. IT’s sad to think
\nof the unpleasantries (?) of modern life intruding on the world of
\n_Peanuts_.<\/p>\n

Schulz’s office is at One Snoopy Lane, which I believe is in Santa Rosa
\nproper.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3708, from hmccracken, 865 chars, Mon Jul 17 02:32:32 1995
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\nTITLE: The August issue of _Home PC_ has an article…
\n…about comic-related on-line resources. While it’s a veritable
\ncollection of all the cliches of mass-market articles about comics
\n(it begins, “Look! Up in the sky!”), it’s full of interesting
\ninformation. Some tidbits:<\/p>\n

* For the web site of Forbidden Planet, London’s comics megastore,
\ncheck out http:\/\/www.maths.tcd.ie\/mmm\/ReviewsFromTheForbiddenPlanet.
\nhtml<\/p>\n

* Jack “King” Kirby has a site of his own, too: http:\/\/www.mordor.com\/
\nthehop\/kirby<\/p>\n

* For political cartoons, go to http:\/\/www.unitedmedia.com\/inkwell<\/p>\n

* For a selection of United Features comic strips, see http:\/\/
\nwww.unitedmedia.com\/comics<\/p>\n

* Calvin and Hobbes fans will want to visit http:\/\/www.csd.uu.se\/~d94her\/
\ncalvin\/jumpstation.html<\/p>\n

* Shopping for comics? Do it over the web at http:\/\/www.onramp.net:80\/
\nRecordWeb\/comics.html<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3709, from edejesus, 199 chars, Mon Jul 17 13:42:39 1995
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\nTITLE: The Little King
\nDoes anyone out there remember a comic strip called “The Little
\nKing”? I’m wondering if there are any books or files with
\nimages of some of the characters.<\/p>\n

Thanks in advance.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3710, from hmccracken, 554 chars, Mon Jul 17 23:10:36 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3709.
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\nYup — _The Little King_ was a very long-running strip by Otto Soglow,
\nwhich was around (I believe) from the 1930s to the 1970s. It was an
\nexcellent pantomime strip, and was the inspiration for a series of
\nVan Beuren cartoons in the 1930s, as well as a single Fleischer short
\nwhich teamed the King with Betty Boop.<\/p>\n

Unfortunately, I’m in San Francisco and my reference works are all in
\nBoston, so I can’t tell you for sure where you can find a picture of
\nthe King. If you can wait a couple of weeks or so, I may be able to
\nsupply you with one.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3711, from edejesus, 104 chars, Tue Jul 18 08:36:52 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3710.
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\nSoglow! Right! Thanks for the memory jog!<\/p>\n

Hey, I’m near Boston. Fax me your key.<\/p>\n

Thanks for the help.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3712, from hmccracken, 909 chars, Fri Jul 28 00:32:41 1995
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\nTITLE: San Diego Report #1
\nHarry here, reporting on-site from sunny San Diego and the 1995
\nSan Diego Comicon.<\/p>\n

I flew in late this afternoon and haven’t been to the show yet, but
\ntonight, I went to a wonderful party at thw Circle Gallery in Old
\nTownn. The guest of honor was Virginia Davis, a piece of living
\nanimation history who played Alice, the live-action little girl
\nwho played with animated animals in _Alice in Cartoonland_,
\nWalt Disney’s first successful carrtoon series. It’s not often
\nyou can chat with someone who has vivid memories of working in
\nanimation in the mid-1920s, but Miss Davis’s memories ofthe films
\nshe made at the age f five or so are wonderfully vivid. I came away
\nwith an autographed copy of _Walt in Wonderland_, the excellent
\nbook on Disney’s silent filmns — a book I already own, but I
\ncouldn’t resist getting a copy inscribed by Alice herself.<\/p>\n

More news tomorrow,<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3713, from hmccracken, 575 chars, Sat Jul 29 11:36:17 1995
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\nThe last San Diego Con I’d been to was in 1990 — it was huge
\nthen, but it must be at least three times as large now.
\nThe dealers room features aisle upon aisle of booths selling
\nold comics, original art, and the like, along with displays
\nfrom major comics companies and other media concerns. There
\nare also a ton of panel discussions (often two or three
\ninteresting-sounding ones at once).<\/p>\n

One bit of interesting news from the con: Disney has acquired
\nworldwide marketing rights to the Royal Canadian Mounted
\nPolice. I wonder what this means for Dudley Do-Right?
\np– Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3714, from jenn, 417 chars, Sat Jul 29 12:38:54 1995
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\nApparantly they had 34,000 people attend last year and they
\nexpect to exceed that number this year…<\/p>\n

‘jgoddin’ and ‘mwillmoth’ are there…if there’s a ‘voodoo board’,
\nyou should try looking them up! They’re posting info (er, it’s
\nonly been about two messages) in the sf\/consuite area about
\ntheir visit to ComicCon.<\/p>\n

Jean is apparantly helping out in tW artist’s alley and Mike is
\nintroducing panelists and stuff.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3715, from dgh, 80 chars, Tue Aug 1 00:05:06 1995
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On top of that, Disney also acquired ABC. No joke!
\n,
\n|) \/\\ \\\/ | +)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3716, from switch, 1022 chars, Tue Aug 1 00:37:49 1995
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\nTITLE: Emmy nominations
\nI’ve had these on my hard disk for a week, and haven’t had the chance to
\neven glance at them until now. They’re the Emmy nominations for this year
\nthat relate to animated programs:<\/p>\n

Animated program
\n—————-
\nDexter’s Laboratory in Changes (Cartoon Network)
\nDr. Seuss’ Daisy-Head Mayzie (TNT)
\nA Rugrats Passover (Nickelodeon)
\nThe Simpsons (Fox)
\nSteven Spielberg Presents Tiny Toons Night (Fox)<\/p>\n

Song
\n—-
\nMarvin Hamlisch, Alan & Marilyn Bergman, Barbra Streisand: The Concert:
\nOrdinary Miracles
\nNan Schwartz Mishkin, Cagney & Lacey: Together Again: All the Days
\nRobbie Robertson, Robbie Robertson: Going Home: Pray
\nKen Thorne, A Season of Hope: A Love Like You
\nAlf Clausen, John Swartzwelder, The Simpsons: Homer the Great: We Do
\n(The Stonecutter’s Song)<\/p>\n

Sound mixing, comedy series
\n—————————
\nMarc Gilmartin, Dream On
\nDana Mark McClure, Frasier
\nKlaus Landsberg, Home Improvement
\nPhil Brown, Love & War
\nPeter Damski, Mad About You
\nRonald Cox, The Simpsons<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3717, from hmccracken, 86 chars, Tue Aug 1 01:17:10 1995
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\nAnd on top of *that*, Euro Disneyland actually turned a profit
\nlast quarter!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3718, from hmccracken, 309 chars, Tue Aug 1 01:18:52 1995
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\nTITLE: More on the Disney-ABC Merger
\nWill they call the new company ABCDisney? Seriously, it’s worth
\nnoting that the Disney-ABC relationship dates back forty years —
\nto the time when ABC invested in Disneyland, and such early
\nDisney TV shows as _Disneyland_ and _The Mickey Mouse Club_
\nwere on ABC.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3719, from hmccracken, 1228 chars, Tue Aug 1 01:24:53 1995
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\nTITLE: More on the Comics Stamps
\nAt the San Diego Con, I chatted with Rick Marschall, the comic-strip
\nexpert who played a large role in putting together the comics stamps
\nwhich the post office will release this October. Rick says that
\nthe USPS is considering additional series based on comic books and
\nanimation, and might even do some stamps of contemporary strips like
\n_Calvin and Hobbes_. Since the great success of the Elvis stamp, the
\npost-office people aren’t nearly as opposed to using comemercial properties
\nas they once were.<\/p>\n

Rick also explained, once and for all, why Pogo will not appear on a
\nstamp. Walt Kelly’s possum *was* going to get a stamp, but then the
\nPowers That Be decided that the series needed to have one stamp
\nrepresenting a female cartoonist. That’s why Dale Messick’s _Brenda
\nStarr_ was chosen — and for some reason, the post office decided that
\nit was only logical that the most recently-created strip on the initial
\nlist should be bumped. That strip was _Pogo_.<\/p>\n

Rick showed me a mockup of the _Pogo_ stamp that will never be, and
\nalso told me that he suggested to the post-office folks that they
\ndo a stamp of Edwina Dunn’s excellent strip _Cap Stubbs and Tippie_ rather
\nthan _Brenda_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3720, from hmccracken, 480 chars, Tue Aug 1 01:27:04 1995
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\n…and I forgot to mention that Rick has written a terrific-looking
\nbook on the history of comic strips, which the post office will
\npublish in October. (The introduction is by Johnny Hart.) Grab
\nyour copy when you buy your stamps.<\/p>\n

(Also, Rick mentioned that he told the post office that it should
\nprint the stamps in some manner that would allow collectors to buy
\nstamps of only a certain character, not the entire set — a great
\nidea, but the post office didn’t bite.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3721, from dgh, 34 chars, Wed Aug 2 04:36:09 1995
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\nUnbelievable!
\n,
\n|) \/\\ \\\/ | +)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3722, from switch, 44 chars, Wed Aug 2 07:18:13 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3721.
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\nI guess the end of the world is near!<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3723, from hmccracken, 1200 chars, Wed Aug 9 00:06:29 1995
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\nTITLE: Happy Boop-Oop-a-Birthday!
\nTuesday was Betty Boop’s 65th birthday — she certainly doesn’t look old
\nenough to retire.<\/p>\n

The American Movie Classics cable channel marked the event with an
\nexcellent program of Betty cartoons, including her first film (_Dizzy
\nDishes_), most of her best works (such as _Old Man of the Mountain_), and
\na number of rarities, including two of her appearances in live-action
\nfilms. The show was hosted by Richard Fleischer, son of Max Fleischer;
\ninterestingly, he never mentioned his Uncle Dave, the other key Fleischer
\nat the studio (Max and Dave’s sides of the family have been feuding for
\nfifty years).<\/p>\n

Dick Fleischer also credited his father with creating Betty, but most
\nanimation scholars believe that Grim Natwick, who animated her first film,
\ndeserves that honor. In addition, he claimed that Max invented the
\nCinecolor color process — I’m 99 44\/100th% sure that he had nothing to do
\nwith inventing the process, which was used in cartoons and live-action
\nfilms made by many studios.<\/p>\n

Anyhow, I apologize for not alerting BIXen to this special before it aired
\n— I heard about it at the last moment. If AMC airs it again, it’s well
\nworth catching.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3724, from hkenner, 301 chars, Wed Aug 9 13:36:21 1995
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\nThe Atlanta Constitution echoed Dick’s claim that Max created Betty Boop.
\nThere’s an old Fleischer tradition of claiming that one or another
\nFleischer (but usually Max) created *everything*. It’s of course of a
\npiece with Pat Sullivan claiming all credit for Felix, no mention of
\nOtto Messmer.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3725, from hmccracken, 705 chars, Wed Aug 9 15:20:11 1995
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\nAnd of course, every Disney character is “Walt Disney’s ,” whether Walt was even present at the creation
\nor not. (Heck, it’s “Disney’s Pocahontas” even though Walt has been
\ndead for nearly thirty years.<\/p>\n

Animation being a collaborative medium, it’s often hard to say who
\ncreated what — and more than one person can have fair claim to playing
\na role in a character’s creation. Who created Betty Boop — the gagman
\nwho wrote the story of her first cartoon, or the animator (Grim Natwick)
\nwho first drew her? It’s also possible that multiple gagmen and multiple
\nanimators all began work on Betty at the same time, and that Max and\/or
\nDave were involved from the start.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3726, from switch, 169 chars, Wed Aug 9 18:47:22 1995
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\nHarry, I’m surprised at you! I thought you knew Walt was still alive and
\nsecretly manipulating everything behind the scenes, along with Elvis and
\nAmelia Earhart.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3727, from lkaplan, 58 chars, Wed Aug 9 19:59:44 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3726.
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\nYou forgot Judge Crater, he’s probably helping too.<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3728, from hmccracken, 604 chars, Fri Aug 11 22:29:10 1995
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\nTITLE: Dilbert’s Dad Loses Job
\nI believe we’ve discussed here the fact that Scott Adams, creator of the
\n_Dilbert_ comic strips, also had a day job as a software engineer at
\nPacific Bell in California. No longer — he was recently let go. Adams
\nsays he doesn’t know why he lost his job (which he originally used as a
\nsource of ideas in his strip, although less so in recent times), but he
\nrecently gained a new boss, and Pac Bell is going through a restructuring.<\/p>\n

It’s likely that the loss won’t be a financial hardship for Adams:
\n_Dilbert_ is very successful and appears in about 500 papers.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3729, from hmccracken, 606 chars, Sun Aug 13 01:22:16 1995
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\nTITLE: RIP Phil Harris
\nPhil Harris has died, at the age of 89 (or perhaps 91, depending on which source
\nyou believe). Harris was the last surviving major cast member of _The Jack Benny
\nShow_ radio program, and a popular musician of the 1940s — but is most
\nappropriately remembered here for his vocal performances in several Disney
\nanimated features, including _The Jungle Book_ (in which he played Baloo),
\n_The Aristocats_, and _Robin Hood_. In recent years, Harris recreated his
\nrole of Baloo in the pilot for Disney’s _Tailspin_ TV cartoon and performed
\nin Don Bluth’s _Rock-a-Doodle_ feature.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3730, from switch, 189 chars, Wed Aug 30 22:31:16 1995
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\nTITLE: Andre and Wally B — when?
\nMy references have availed me naught, so I turn to the mighty forces of BIX
\nto answer my question: in what year did Pixar produce Andre and Wally B?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3731, from hmccracken, 241 chars, Wed Aug 30 22:51:48 1995
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\n1984; the film was directed by Alvy Ray Smith and animated by John Lasseter.<\/p>\n

I got this information from that invaluable resource, “Pixar Film by Film:
\nA Filmography,” in Animato #19 (Winter 1990); the author was Harry
\nMcCracken.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3732, from hmccracken, 895 chars, Wed Aug 30 22:58:47 1995
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\nTITLE: Time-Warner to Buy Turner
\nToday’s newspapers say that Time-Warner is trying to acquire the
\nTurner Broadcasting System. From a business standpoint, the merger
\nwould create the biggest media company of them all (bigger even
\nthan Disney-ABC); from a cartoon fan’s view, it would mean that
\none company would again own all the Warner Bros. cartoons.
\n(Several decades ago, Warner sold its pre-1949 films to United Artists,
\nwhich was bought by MGM, which was later sold to Turner — as a result,
\nthere have long been competing Warner TV cartoon programs, two lines of
\nvideotapes, and the like.)<\/p>\n

If the deal comes off, Time-Warner would also own the Cartoon Network,
\nHanna-Barbera, the Pink Panther, Tom and Jerry, and all of Tex Avery’s MGM
\ncartoons. Come to think of it, it would make the company a cartoon
\npowerhouse that could compete quite closely with Disney in some respects.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3733, from switch, 190 chars, Thu Aug 31 07:16:44 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3731.
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\nFifteen minutes later, I found the date in my notes from my first History of
\nAnimated Film class. No director, though. Thanks! And thank that Harry
\nguy for writing the filmography.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3734, from hmccracken, 1801 chars, Mon Sep 4 22:08:14 1995
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Giles
\nGiles has died. The British cartoonist was 78, and although he did have a
\nfirst name — Carl — he never used it in his cartoons and had no need to
\ndo so, since his work for the London _Daily Express_ was a basic fact
\nof British life from the 1940s until the 1990s.<\/p>\n

American readers would probably identify Giles as a political cartoonist,
\nalthough he was really a social cartoonist of a time that really doesn’t
\nexist in this country, and has never been very common. While he did draw
\nhis share of cartoons about the Prime Minister, the Royal Family, and other
\npolitical targets, his real subject was usually contemporary English life
\nin general, as lived by a large family of very funny characters, the most
\npopular of whom was an ornery, energetic Grandma.<\/p>\n

Giles was a brilliant draughtsman whose influence was huge on several
\ngenerations of British artists. (Among those whom Americans may be
\nfamiliar with, it can certainly be seen in the work of Ronald Searle, as
\nwell as Gerald Scarfe, Ralph Steadman, and Canadian-born cartoonist Paul
\nSzep.) His drawings were remarkably detailed and crammed with comic
\ndetails, and his use of line and shadow only got better over the decades.<\/p>\n

He was also one of the few, if not the only, British cartoonists whom his
\ncountry realized was a natural treasure: For decades, his work was
\nreprinted in annual Christmas collections, and there are several lavish
\nbooks on his career in print. When I was in London earlier this year,
\nthere were two different Giles museum retrospectives going on. I haven’t
\nseen any British accounts of his death yet, but I’m sure his passing has
\nprompted an outpouring of tributes to the man whom was once called “One of
\nthe funniest men in the world” by no less an authority than Frank Sinatra.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3735, from hmccracken, 1338 chars, Wed Sep 13 10:55:29 1995
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\nTITLE: The Cartoon Art Museum…
\nhad been a San Francisco institution for years, but had recently
\nbeen closed for a year and a half as it seeked funds to pay for
\na new home. (This seems to be a disease that strikes comics-
\nrelated museums — the east coast’s Museum of Comic Art has been
\nclosed for several years as it plans a new move to Florida.)<\/p>\n

The San Francisco museum reopened in late April, and since it’s
\nnear my employer’s SF headquarters (and across the street from
\nYerba Buena Gardens and the Moscone Center), I made a visit this
\nweek. I never saw the museum in its old location, but the new
\none is good-looking and respectable in size (several largish
\nrooms).<\/p>\n

Three exhibits are on right now: An excellent one on the 100th
\nanniversary of the comic strip and the upcoming postage stamp
\nseries, with original art from all the strips that are becoming
\nstamps; a show of new-wave comics by women, including Diane
\nNoomin, Carol Lay, and others; and an offbeat collection of
\npainted cartoons about show business by William Link, the co-
\ncreator of _Columbo_ and _Murder She Wrote_. The museum also
\nhas a large gift shop full of comics collections, and it holds
\nregular artist appearances and other activities.<\/p>\n

The Cartoon Art Museum is located at 814 Mission Street in
\nSan Franicsco, and can be reached at 415-CAR-TOON.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3736, from hmccracken, 624 chars, Fri Sep 22 23:09:40 1995
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\nTITLE: It’s Official
\nTime-Warner and Turner Broadcasting have agreed to merge. Assuming
\nthat this goes through, Time-Warner will not only own the rights
\nto the Warner Bros. cartoon characters but also all the cartoons
\nstarring them (Turner owns the pre-1948 ones). T-W will also own
\nHanna-Barbera, the Cartoon Network, the rights to all MGM cartoons, the
\nPink Panther, and assorted other cartoon copyrights currently held by Turner.<\/p>\n

Does this mean we’ll see new cartoons teaming Bugs Bunny and the Piunk
\nPanther? Will Fred Flintstone finally meet Tweety? Only time (pun
\nintended) will tell.
\n— Harry
\nhm********@bi*.c<\/span>om<\/span><\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3737, from hmccracken, 374 chars, Sat Sep 30 21:09:59 1995
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\nTITLE: October 2nd is nearly here
\nSome folks camp out in front of box offices to buy concert tickets. Others
\nmake midnight runs to the computer store to be the first on their block to
\nhave Windows 95.<\/p>\n

Me, I’ll be making an early trip to the post office on Monday to buy a large
\nquantity of postage stamps starring classic American comic strip characters.
\nYippeee!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3738, from hmccracken, 1093 chars, Sat Sep 30 21:18:21 1995
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\nTITLE: …and the U.S. comics stamps aren’t all, folks
\nThe Canadian postal service will also be issuing comics-related commemorative
\nstamps on Monday. The Canadian stamps pay tribute to five Canadian superheroes:
\nSuperman, Fleur De Lys, Captain Canuck, Nelvana, and Johnny Canuck.<\/p>\n

What’s that — Superman originated in the U.S.? True, but Jerry Siegel, his
\nco-creator and original writer, immigrated from Canada as a youth. As for the
\nother characters: Johnny Canuck and Nelvana are heroes from 1940s comic
\nbooks, and the latter is best known, at least in the U.S., for having inspired
\nthe name of the Nelvana animation studios. Captain Canuck is a contemporary
\nhero who first appeared in 1975, and Fleur De Lys is a heroine who was created
\nin 1975.<\/p>\n

It’s interesting that Canada seems to have had no problem paying tribute to
\ncontemporary creations, while the U.S. stamps only feature characters created
\nbefore 1950. It’s also worth noting that Canada issued a Superman stamp, while
\nthe U.S. post office has yet to pay honor to Superman, or any superhero
\n(unless you count Popeye).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3739, from hmccracken, 996 chars, Sat Sep 30 21:22:57 1995
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\nTITLE: New Books
\nA few recent arrivals in bookstores that should be of interest to participants
\nin this conference:<\/p>\n

_The Calvin and Hobbes Tenth Anniversary Collection_, by Bill Watterson:
\nA generous selection of comic strips, plus notes by Watterson on his work and
\ncomic art in general, including his explanation of why he’s opposed to
\nmerchandising his creations.<\/p>\n

_The Disney Films_, by Leonard Maltin: A new edition of the essential
\nreference work, first published in 1973. This new edition covers such recent
\nworks as _Aladdin_ and _The Lion King_, but as with earlier updates, it
\nstill focuses on the films made during Walt Disney’s lifetime — the
\nlive-action and animated films made since 1966 are covered in less detail
\nin the back. In any event, it’s one of the few books which every Disney fan
\nshould own.<\/p>\n

_DC Comics_, by Les Daniels: A lavish hardcover history of DC comics, from
\nthe 1930s to the present. Daniels wrote a similar volume on Marvel comics
\na few years ago.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3740, from edejesus, 81 chars, Sat Sep 30 22:42:53 1995
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\nBesides, wasn’t Superman’s Fortress of Solitude somewhere in the Canadian north?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3741, from switch, 74 chars, Sun Oct 1 17:05:37 1995
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\nNo, the Arctic. But hey, sometimes there’s not much difference. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3742, from edejesus, 67 chars, Sun Oct 1 20:02:01 1995
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\nAh! What threw me was that, in the movie, Clark Kent walked there.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3743, from hmccracken, 515 chars, Sun Oct 8 21:53:12 1995
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\nTITLE: Hurrah for the comic-strip stamps!
\nThey came out last Monday, and they’re terrific. Naturally, I bought enough to
\nuse on my mail until some time well into the next century.<\/p>\n

I’d seen the images before I got the stamps, but the vivid colors and good
\nprinting make them look especially good. You could quibble that some of the
\ndrawings are a bit complex considering the small size of the stamps — the’
\n_Blondie_ one requires a bit of squinting — but all in all, comics fans
\nshould be very pleased.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3744, from hmccracken, 337 chars, Mon Oct 9 09:50:40 1995
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\nTITLE: Animation CBIX This Sunday
\nIt’s been awhile since we last opened up the animation CBIX area for
\na get-together\/open house, so let’s do it this Sunday at 9pm ET.
\nThere will be door prizes for all attendees (to be announced), plus
\nlots of good company and animation\/comics opinions to be shared.<\/p>\n

Please join us on Sunday!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3745, from hmccracken, 2765 chars, Mon Oct 9 21:02:01 1995
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\nTITLE: Two Classic Books Return
\nChristmas must be coming. Two enormous Disney coffee-table books are out in
\nnew editions, and at $60 apiece they’re presumably designed to be given as
\ngifts.<\/p>\n

The first one is Christopher Finch’s _The Art of Walt Disney_ — which has
\nnever been unavailable since it was published in 1973, but has never been
\nupdated until now. (This explains why a large chunk of it is devoted to the
\nmaking of Disney’s enormously forgettable _Robin Hood_ cartoon — it happened
\nto be the film in production at the time the book was published.) This
\nbook’s tremendous success — it has sold over half-a-million copies —
\ninspired the many, many expensive books on Disney and other animation
\nstudios that have seen print over the last twenty years.<\/p>\n

The revised edition has several new chapters that bring the book up to the
\npresent, covering live-action and animated films, tv shows, and Disneyland,
\nDisney World, and other theme parks. It also has several pages of handsome
\nartwork from _The Hunchback of Notre Dame_, Disney’s next animated feature.<\/p>\n

Missing are the original edition’s _Robin Hood_ chapter and an essay by
\nsomeone other than Finch on Disneyland and Disney World (the latter loss
\nis a real disappointment, because the essay was one of the best things
\nI’ve ever read about any facet of Disney). And even though this new edition
\ncosts nearly twice what the 1973 one did, it’s a less lavish volume —
\nthe original one had a canvas-bound cover with a three-dimensional cutout
\nof Mickey Mouse and many foldouts, all of which are missing from the new
\nversion. Still, this looks like a respectable upgrade to one of the best
\nDisney books; if you don’t have the 1973 edition, this one is worth buying.
\n(Beware of a thin, heavily abridged version that is also widely available.)<\/p>\n

If you can own only one book about the films of Walt Disney, though, it should
\nbe Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston’s _Disney Animation: The Illusion of Life_.
\nNow back in print, and apparently unchanged from its original printing in the
\nearly 1980s, this is a masterwork by two of Disney’s greatest animators.
\nThe analysis of how the great Disney films came to be is hard to beat, the
\ndiscussion of their coworkers is absorbing, and the collection of artwork is
\nas good as in any of the many lavish Disney books that have been published
\nover the years.<\/p>\n

Since Thomas and Johnston were *there* in Disney’s great days, they can’t
\nbe counted on as impartial historians; the wounds caused by the infamous
\nDisney strike, for example, were clearly still painful when they wrote
\ntheir book forty years later, and they shortchange the contributions of
\nsome artists who struck. Even so, their perspective is invaluable, and
\nthis book is a bargain even at $60.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3746, from elfhive, 468 chars, Tue Oct 10 22:31:07 1995
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\nTITLE: Annie Awards
\nIt’s encouraging to see Macross Plus being nominated for outstanding
\nachievement on the Annie Awards. This is truly one of the best recent
\nanime series from Japan. The combination of cel and computer animation
\nis one of the best integrations I have seen. The quality of the animation
\ntruly transports you to other worlds. The soundtrack is memorable bridging
\nrock and the classics with a haunting love theme melody. I wish they made
\nmore of these.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3747, from switch, 156 chars, Tue Oct 10 22:33:49 1995
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\nMacross Plus was also in the running for an award in this year’s Images du
\nFutur in Montreal, for its CG effects. It certainly deserved to be there.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3748, from hmccracken, 474 chars, Sat Oct 14 18:33:02 1995
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\nTITLE: Come win door prizes!
\nJust a reminder: Our animation CBIX open house begins tomorrow night (Sunday)
\nat 9pm ET. If you drop by, you’re eligible to win the following prizes:<\/p>\n

_How to Go to Hell_ by Matt Groening
\n_The Four Elements_ (collected cartoons by Roz Chast)
\n_Nancy’s Dreams and Schemes by Ernie Bushmiller_ (with an introduction by
\nRoy Blount, Jr.!)
\n_One Shoe Fits All_ by Jeff Macnelly
\nVarious issues of _Animato_ magazine<\/p>\n

Please join us tomorrow!<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3749, from sfmcnally, 56 chars, Wed Oct 18 08:23:35 1995
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\nCan Macross Plus be seen on Satellite anywhere?<\/p>\n

Seumas<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3750, from elfhive, 266 chars, Wed Oct 18 16:21:55 1995
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\nNot that I’m aware of. In fact, I’m not sure it was ever broadcast, I
\nbelieve it is an OAV (original animation video) series produced directly
\nfor home distribution. I could be wrong though, but there are only
\nfour episodes so it wouldn’t be a very good tv “series”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3751, from switch, 19 chars, Wed Oct 18 22:10:48 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3750.
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\nIt’s an OAV.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3753, from hmccracken, 444 chars, Mon Oct 23 10:04:41 1995
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\nTITLE: Another Obituary
\nYou’ve probably heard that Maxine Andrews, one-third of the singing
\nAndrews Sisters, has died in Hyannis, Mass. at the age of 79. Along with
\nsisters Patty and Laverne, Maxine Andrews had at least one animation
\ncredit: the sisters performed the soundtrack for “Johnny Fedora and Alice
\nBluebonnet,” a clever love story about two hats that was includerd in
\nDisney’s 1940s anothology feature _Make Mine Music_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3754, from hmccracken, 243 chars, Mon Oct 23 10:14:36 1995
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\nTITLE: A Few Days Late, But…
\nlast Thursday marked the sixth birthday of the BIX animation
\nconference. Thanks to everybody who has participated over
\nthe years (lurkers included), and here’s to many more years
\nof animated discussion!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3755, from switch, 62 chars, Mon Oct 23 22:29:17 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3754.
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\nHas it been six years already? Where does the time go?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3756, from hmccracken, 615 chars, Tue Oct 31 18:58:15 1995
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\nTITLE: Another Obituary
\nMary Wickes, a remarkably successful character actress from the 1930s
\nthrough the present, died last week at the age of 85. Besides being
\nalmost certainly the only performer to co-star in movies with both
\nAbbott and Costello and Whoopi Goldberg, she appeared in hundreds of
\nTV shows and films, usually portraying a wonderfully taciturn house-
\nkeeper, authoirity figure of some sort, or spinster aunt.<\/p>\n

The reason I’m recording her passing here: her last performance was
\nas the voice of a gargoyle in _The Hunchback of Notre Dame_, a
\nDisney cartoon scheduled for release next year.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3757, from switch, 264 chars, Sat Nov 18 14:25:49 1995
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\nTITLE: Toy Story
\nI caught the advance screening of Toy Story today, and it was thorougly
\nenjoyable. Good acting (animation and voice), solid story, and a bunch of
\ntoys that the kids in the crowd wouldn’t recognize, and gags they wouldn’t
\nget.<\/p>\n

More later..<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3758, from lkaplan, 118 chars, Sat Nov 18 20:24:39 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3757.
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\nRe: Toy Story
\nGood to hear! Especially about there being some things aimed at people
\nolder than little kids …<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3759, from switch, 179 chars, Sat Nov 18 22:20:29 1995
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\nLots of it is aimed at people older than kids. It had the same sort of feel
\nas Aladdin — either the younger or older set could watch it, without
\nany of it seeming forced.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3760, from hmccracken, 181 chars, Sun Nov 19 18:38:01 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3759.
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\nIf you want to learn more about _Toy Story_, check out the excellent
\narticle in today’s _New York Times_, the new making-of book, or
\nthe film’s web site: www.toystory.com.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3761, from elfhive, 544 chars, Tue Nov 21 13:05:35 1995
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\nTITLE: Phoenix Fox
\nI’m going to be in Phoenix in mid-December with my Turkish partner who is
\nan animator. We would like to visit the new studios that have been set
\nup in Phoenix but lack any current information. Does anyone here have some
\ndetails on the status of the project, whether it is up and running, if
\nBluth is there at present? Also it would be appreciated if anyone has
\na contact point there that would help me arrange a meeting?<\/p>\n

If there are any pointers to a web site or an article about this facility
\nI would be grateful, thanks!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3762, from hmccracken, 350 chars, Wed Nov 22 00:34:22 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3761.
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\nGreg–<\/p>\n

Fox Phoenix had an ad in the October 3rd Hollywood Reporter seeking artists
\nto work on an animated version of _Anastasia_ (which the ad says is
\nalready in production). They’re at 2747 East Camelback Rd., Phoenix, Arizona, 85016; phone 602\/808-4660 and FAX 602\/808-4699.
\nI don’t have the name of an actual person there to talk with.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3763, from hmccracken, 496 chars, Wed Nov 22 23:34:48 1995
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\n_Toy Story_ opened today, and so far all the reviews I’ve seen have
\nbeen raves, in the _Boston Globe_, _New York Times_ _Boston Herald_,
\n_USA Today_, and _Time_. I can’t wait to see it.<\/p>\n

_Wired_ magazine features a cover story this month on John Lasseter,
\n_Toy Story_’s director, as well. As former editor of _Animato_, I
\nam proud that we did cover articles on two animation directors —
\nLasseter and John Kricfalusi — years before they became fodder
\nfor mainstream national magazines.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3764, from hkenner, 299 chars, Thu Nov 23 12:41:16 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3763.
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\nOn the strength of reviews, I want to see _Toy Story_ too. Earlier
\nI posted here my disinclination, based on sitting twice thru a trailer.
\nThat may have been the most misleading trailer in history: no hint
\nof any subtlety, any characterization: just one 1-second slice of noise
\nafter another.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3765, from hkenner, 327 chars, Thu Nov 23 17:14:24 1995
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\nTITLE: Toy Story
\nJust back from seeing it. Absolutely incredible quality: of story,
\nvisuals, characterizations, dialogue, everything. Sort of deeply
\nsatisfying tour de force you realize you’ll have to see a second
\ntime to garner additional nuances. A LOT of dialogue by animation
\nstandards, all of it superbly nuanced.<\/p>\n

–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3766, from elfhive, 238 chars, Thu Nov 23 17:55:14 1995
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\nThanks for the info on Fox, Harry. I’m surprised I haven’t seen more in
\nthe way of news on this in Animation magazine. I seem to recall that Fox
\ntook out a full page ad seeking animators for the Phoenix operation at
\nleast one issue ago.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3767, from hmccracken, 271 chars, Fri Nov 24 23:42:48 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3766.
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\nBluth may be laying low. From wht I can tell, few former Bluth employees
\nhave much nice to say about the studio, and former Bluth employees are
\nlegion. Indeed, that may be one reason that Bluth relocated to Phoenix —
\nhe’s the only animation game in town there.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3768, from hmccracken, 745 chars, Fri Nov 24 23:46:36 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3765.
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\nI think Disney especially *tries* to create misleading previews of its
\nfilms. Often, it creates multiple previews that mislead in different
\nways — one that indicates that a film is a comedy, another that it’s
\na romance, and so on. Presumably, the preview you saw was aimed at little
\nkids, who are thought to like Loud and Noisy and not appreciate Subtle and
\nRestrained.<\/p>\n

Anyhow, I’ll definitely see _Toy Story_ this weekend. Having been a
\nfan of John Lasseter’s short films for years, it’s great to see
\nhim make a splash with his first feature. And since you mention that
\nthe dialogue is well-handled, it’s interesting to note that Lasseter
\nhas done very little dialogue until now — his short films were
\nbrilliant works of pantomime.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3769, from switch, 196 chars, Fri Nov 24 23:52:19 1995
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\nThere’s one scene that’s almost entirely in pantomime (four words spoken)
\nthat is wonderfully acted, and truly saddening.<\/p>\n

I can’t wait to see it again, to try to catch the things I missed.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3770, from hmccracken, 560 chars, Sat Nov 25 00:08:21 1995
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\nTITLE: So Long, Whole Toon
\nDecember 31st will be a sad day for another reason besides the end of
\n_Calvin and Hobbes_. The Whole Toon Catalog, the excellent mail-order
\nbusiness that sold nothing but animation videos, books, and other
\ncartoon-related items, will be closing down that day.<\/p>\n

Doug Ranney, Whole Toon’s proprietor (and a former BIXen), did cartoon
\nfans a great service with his catalogs (as well as a shorter-lived retail
\nstore in the Seattle area). Here’s wishing him the best of luck in
\nwhatever he does with his post-Whole Toon career.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3771, from switch, 70 chars, Sat Nov 25 00:15:12 1995
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\nOh, no! That’s a great shame. I hope it’s not money or sales.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3772, from hmccracken, 2877 chars, Sat Nov 25 18:20:25 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3768.
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\n_Toy Story_ is a wonder! As Emru and Hugh have said, it’s a film of
\nremarkable imagination in visuals, storyline, and characters. Woody,
\nthe cowboy who’s the film’s main protagonist, is a more multidimensional
\n(no pun intended) character than any of those who have appeared in
\nmore traditional Disney animated films in many years.<\/p>\n

Indeed, the fact that this ISN’T strictly speaking a Disney cartoon
\n(since it was made by Pixar) seems to have unleashed its creators to
\ncreate something that’s very Disneysque in spirit but which never
\nseems remotely like a retread (as even the best of the recent
\nDisney animated films such as _Aladdin_ often do). As a computer-animated
\nfilm, _Toy Story_ LOOKS nothing like other Disney films, of course, but
\nit also has its own sense of humor and a freshness that few if any
\nrecent animated films from anywhere can equal. And while it’s very
\ncontemporary, it’s devoid of cheap laughs or pandering to the sensibilities
\nof small children — it’s witty and humane in ways that the best childrens’
\nmovies have always been.<\/p>\n

Visually, director Lasseter and the other Pixar artists, made a wise
\ndecision by choosing the toy theme. This helps them get around many of
\nthe remaining limitations of computer animation — computer-generated
\ncharacters still are a bit inflexible and move like puppets, but that’s
\nwhat we’d expect of Woody, Buzz Lightyear, and the other playthings in
\nthis film. It only becomes a bit of an issue in the relatively few scenes
\nthat include human characters — who, ironically enough, aren’t as believable
\nand as human as the toys.<\/p>\n

The conceit that toys come to life when people aren’t looking is as least
\nas old ass Johnny Gruelle’s _Raggedy Ann_ tales (and probably a lot older),
\nbut _Toy Story_ gives it lots of original twists and handles it exceedingly
\nwell. Animation fans who have seen the film _Brave Little Toaster_ (which was
\nfinanced by Disney, and which Lasseter worked on, may notice a lot of
\nsimilarities between it and _Toy Story_, most strikingly the way that
\nboth films feature a villain who takes perverse pleasure from performing
\nbizarre operations on the films’ anthropomorphized characters (appliances
\nin _Toaster_, toys in _Toy Story_).<\/p>\n

_Toy Story_ is the first of three Pixar cartoons to be released by Disney,
\nand I can’t wait to see what they come up with next. If this film is as
\nbig a hit as I suspect it might be, we may see LOTS of Pixar features, and
\nI’m excited by that prospect, too. (Note that Steve Jobs, co-founder of
\nApple Computer, is the head of Pixar and one of _Toy Story_’s co-producers
\n— thank you, Steve.) In its own way, _Toy Story_ is almost as innovative
\nas Disney’s _Snow White_ was in its day. But like _Snow White_, it’s not
\njust a shining example of technology — it’s a memorable film that might
\nhave proved just as entertaining if it had been hand-drawn.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3773, from peabo, 421 chars, Sun Nov 26 22:50:57 1995
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\nI went to see “Toy Story” over the weekend and was equally blown away. I don’t
\nthink people are going to be able to belittle computer animation as something
\nonly for technonerds any more.<\/p>\n

The worst thing about it was trying to figure out who was speaking Woody’s
\npart. It wasn’t until (spoiler omitted) that it suddenly clicked who it
\nwas, and then I realized the appearance of Woody should have given it away.<\/p>\n

peter<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3774, from elfhive, 365 chars, Mon Nov 27 16:44:16 1995
\nThis is a comment to message 3762.
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\nFor anyone who wishes to contact Fox Animation, the number in this original
\nmessage reaches an internal number which probably shouldn’t be disturbed.
\nThe main switchboard number is (602)808-4600.<\/p>\n

This animation studio is exclusively working on feature-length animation
\nfor 20th Century Fox. They don’t deal with anything else. They are not
\nopen for public visits.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3775, from hmccracken, 1115 chars, Fri Dec 1 00:57:30 1995
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\nTITLE: Billionaire Steve
\nAs reported on the front page of today’s (er, yesterday’s) _New
\nYork Times_, one of the side effects of _Toy Story_’s box-office
\nsuccess is that it has helped make Steve Jobs an instant
\nbillionaire. Jobs, who co-founded Apple Computer at a ridculously
\nyoung age in the 1970s, was the owner of Pixar, _Toy Story_’s
\ncreator — which went public on Wednesday and immediately
\nbecame a much sought-after company on Wall Street.<\/p>\n

I’ve long thought that Jobs and Walt Disney were similar types:
\nBrilliant businessmen who founded garage business that melded
\ntechnology and aesethetics and which turned into icons of
\ncorporate America. Like Disney, Jobs knows a lot about creating
\na product that will appeal to America and the world (witness
\ntwo of his enduring legacies, the Apple II and the Mac). He
\nalso is said to share Walt’s passion and fiery personality.
\nAnd I think there’s even a physical likeness between the two.
\nBut I never expected the relationship between the two to
\nbecome so close that Jobs would take credit as executive producer
\non a Disney cartoon, as he did with _Toy_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3776, from peabo, 316 chars, Fri Dec 1 01:15:06 1995
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\nYes, he’s an instant overnight success after 20 years. It’s worth recalling
\nthat Steve Jobs was worth something like $300 million back in the early ’80s
\nas a result of his success with Apple. I’m not sure that “instant billionaire”
\nreally compares to that earlier success, which was really out of the blue!<\/p>\n

peter<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3777, from hmccracken, 195 chars, Sun Dec 24 22:40:07 1995
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\nTITLE: Happy holidays, everyone!
\nMerry Christmas to all animation conference members — not
\nto mention a belated happy Hannukah and a premature best wishes
\nfor a happy and healthy 1996!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3778, from hmccracken, 707 chars, Thu Dec 28 22:23:57 1995
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\nTITLE: Obituaries
\nSorry to say, here are brief obituaries for three animation\/comics
\nfigures who have fied in the past week:<\/p>\n

* Madge Sinclair, a stage and film actress whose last role was voicing
\nSiomba’s mother in _The Lion King_, has died;<\/p>\n

* So has William Cottrell, a long-time Disney employee who worked as a
\ncamera operator and storyman on many of the classic Disney features before
\nbecoming an executive at Disneyland, where he worked until his retirement
\nin the early 1980s;<\/p>\n

* And so, unfortunately, has Connie Hutchinson, the founder of Determined
\nProductions, the publisher of Charles Schulz’s best-selling _Happiness is
\na Warm Puppy_ and numerous other Peanuts-related publications.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3779, from hmccracken, 644 chars, Thu Dec 28 22:27:05 1995
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\nTITLE: Disneyland to Grow?
\nThe Walt Disney Co. is planning to close the Grand Hotel, a property
\nit owns which is located on 11 acres near Disneyland in Anaheim,’
\nCalifornia. Rumor has it that this is being done to get ready for
\nan expansion of Disneyland, a park that has always been unable to
\nexpand — it’s surrounded by motels and hotels as far as the eye can
\nsee on all four sides.<\/p>\n

Disney had planned, a few years ago, to close the Disneyland parking
\nlot and replace it with something called “Westcot” but that never
\nactually happened. Nor did its plans for another, water-themed park
\nin nearby Long Beach, ever come to fruition.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3780, from hmccracken, 142 chars, Mon Jan 1 16:02:17 1996
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\nTITLE: Happy New Year, Everybody!
\nHere’s hoping that 1996 proves to be a terrific, comics-and-animation-filled
\nyear for every BIXen.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3781, from hmccracken, 381 chars, Sat Jan 13 20:57:36 1996
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\nTITLE: Forgotten Disney in Syracuse
\nCinefest, an annual silent and early sound film festival in
\nSyracuse, N.Y., will include a program of Disney outtakes
\nthis year, hosted by Scott McQueen, restoration manager for
\nthe Disney studio.<\/p>\n

Cinefest is from March 7th-10th at the Sheraton Inn Syracuse;
\ninformation can be had from Phil Serling, 315-637-8985. I
\nplan to be there.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3782, from hmccracken, 423 chars, Sat Jan 13 20:59:42 1996
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\nTITLE: At the same time Cinefest is going on…
\n…the International Museum of Cartoon Art will finally be holding
\nits grand opening in its new Boca Raton, Florida home. I’ve
\nseen a photograph of the new building, and it looks
\nlarge and impressive. But I still wish that the museum had
\nstayed in its Rye, N.Y. location, where I could drive down from
\nBoston on the spur of the moment for an interesting exhibition,
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3783, from hmccracken, 656 chars, Sat Jan 13 21:06:12 1996
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\nTITLE: Cartoonists are authors after all…
\nPaul Mavrides, veteran underground cartoonist best know for his
\nwork on _The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers_, has won a long-standing
\ntax dispute with the state of California, which in 1991 declared that
\ncartoonists were subject to the state sales tax of 7.25%, which they tried
\nto retroactively collect from Mavrides for years’ worth of work.<\/p>\n

Journalists and other writers who use words instead of artwork to convey
\nideas have never been subject to this tax, but cartoonists were told that
\ntheir work wasn’t quite in the same class. Bravo to Mavrides for fighting
\nthe good fight and finally winning.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3784, from hmccracken, 1697 chars, Mon Jan 15 21:27:01 1996
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\nTITLE: _The Art of the New Yorker_
\nMy relatives have me pegged: They gave me so many cartoon-related
\nbooks for Christmas that I’m still catching up. As I finish them,
\nI’ll review them here.<\/p>\n

One of the best is Lee Lorenz’s _The Art of the New Yorker_, a history
\nof the cartoons (and other illustrations) that have made the _New
\nYorker_ a cartoon fan’s delight for seventy years — and one of the
\nfew magazines that still runs a healthy dose of gag cartoons.<\/p>\n

Lorenz’s introduction says something about his book not being a
\ndefinitive, all-encompassing work, and he’s right. It’s not terribly
\nlong, and there’s lots that I would have liked to see that it lacks:
\nMore biographical information on cartoonists past and present, for
\ninstance, and more cartoons.<\/p>\n

But what this book does, it does very well. Lorenz has edited the
\nmagazine’s cartoons for more than twenty years, and his text is
\nthoughtful about the art of cartooning and quite open about the
\nchanges the magazine’s cartoons have seen under editors Ross,
\nShawn, Gottlieb, and now Tina Brown. His first-person discussion
\nof the Shawn-Gottlieb-Brown transition should be required reasing
\nfor anyone interested in the tumult that _The New Yorker_ has
\nseen in recent years.<\/p>\n

While the quantity of cartoons is merely generous and not overwhelming,
\nthe quality is high — and good evidence that the best current
\ncontributors can compete with such legendary artists as Addams, Price,
\nand Arno. Lorenz’s book is good enough to whet my appetite for at
\nleast two more _New Yorker_ works: A thicker, more encyclopedic
\ncollection of cartoons, and a purely prose volume in which
\nLorenz discusses his years as a cartoonist and cartoon editor.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3785, from hkenner, 190 chars, Fri Jan 19 12:03:34 1996
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\nTITLE: Oscars
\nToday’s Atlanta Constitution informs us that this year’s Academy Awards
\nwill include two special Oscars for long-term services: to Kirk
\nDouglas (79) and Chuck Jones (83).
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3786, from hmccracken, 269 chars, Fri Jan 19 22:06:06 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3785.
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\n…And John Lasseter will also get a special Oscar, for _Toy Story_.
\nNot unlike when Walt Disney got one for advancing the cinematic art
\nwith _Snow White_. (Walt’s was one big Oscar and seven little ones;
\nmaybe Lasseter’s will be shaped like Mr. Potato Head.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3787, from hmccracken, 3012 chars, Mon Jan 29 22:34:27 1996
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\nTITLE: Two Obituaries
\nTwo figures of enormous importance in the history of comics have died
\nin the space of the last day or so.<\/p>\n

Superman, I’m sorry to say, is now an orphan: Jerry Siegel, his co-creator
\nwith the late Joe Shuster, has died at the age of 81. Born in Cleveland,
\nOhio, Siegel (a writer) collaborated with artist Shuster to create
\nSuperman in the mid-1930s. They labored unsuccessfully to sell the character
\nfor quite some time, until DC Comics purchased all rights to the character
\n(allegedly for a total of $500) in 1938. Superman made his debut in _Action
\nComics_ #1, and the rest is history — all other superheroes draw enormous
\namounts of inspiration from him.<\/p>\n

Siegel and Shuster wrote and drew the character’s adventures into the
\nmid-1940s, but an unsuccessful lawsuit against DC Comics ended their
\nassociation with the character. They worked on other creations, including
\na character called Funnyman, but Shuster’s failing eyesight cut his
\ncareer short. Siegel eventually returned to write more Superman comics,
\nagain sued DC Comics, and eventually settled, along with Shuster, for a
\nfairly modest pension deal with DC in the late 1970s. (This happened at
\nthe time the movie rights to Superman were sold for several million dollars;
\nDC understandably found it embarassing that the Man of Steel’s creators had
\nboth been living in poverty, or something close to it, for many years.)<\/p>\n

Siegel wrote many other comics, from the mid-1930s until recent years, and
\nalso created the Spectre, a supernatural hero who has been around for
\nmany decades. Of course, he’ll always be remembered for his role in the
\ncreation of one of America’s great fictional heroes, along with Tarzan,
\nthe Shadow, and Doc Savage. And while you can’t say that Superman was
\never great art, his early adventures were great fun (including those
\ndone in animation by the Fleischer studio). I’m sure that Superman,
\nClark Kent, Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen, and Perry White will outlive us all.<\/p>\n

Speaking of Tarzan, we’ve also lost cartoonist Burne Hogarth, who turned
\n84 on Christmas day. Hogarth took over the _Tarzan_ comic strip from
\nHal Foster in 1937, and drew it into the late 1940s; he also illustrated
\nthe Ape Man’s adventures in a couple of graphic novels published in the
\n1970s. But Hogarth may have been most influential as a teacher: He was
\na co-founder of what eventually became New York’ School of the Visual
\nArts, and he authored many books on anatomical and life drawing which
\nhave been in print for decades.<\/p>\n

_The World Encyclopedia of the Comics_ said that Hogarth was “widely
\nregarded as the greatest living artist of the comics;” given that
\nMilton Caniff, Al Capp, and Hal Foster, among others, were alive
\nat the time of that statement, it’s certainly open to debate.
\nBut there’s no question that Hogarth’s accomplished, dynamic
\nillustrative style was extremely influential, and that his
\nwork as a teacher and book author have had a great effect on
\nseveral generations of cartoonists and other artists.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3788, from switch, 103 chars, Mon Jan 29 22:53:38 1996
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\nTwo in as many days! I was just waxing eloquent about Hogarth’s work to a
\nfriend the other day.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3789, from hmccracken, 152 chars, Tue Jan 30 13:10:31 1996
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\nSad to say, veteran comic-book artist Bernard Bailey — who co-created
\nthe Spectre with Jerry Siegel — ALSO passed away in the last few days.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3790, from hmccracken, 509 chars, Tue Jan 30 21:05:25 1996
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\nTITLE: _Toy Story_ News, Good and Bad
\nAccording to _Entertainment Weekly_, _Toy Story_ was *the* biggest-
\ngrossing film of 1995; the magazine estimates that its finall gross
\nwill be around $200 million. It couldn’t have happened to a nicer
\ncartoon.<\/p>\n

_EW_ also reports that Disney and Pixar may be working on a
\nquickie sequel to the movie, to be released directly to vdieotape.
\nI’m not adverse to a _Toy Story_ sequel, but if they do one, I
\nhope it gets the same tender loving care as the original.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3791, from hmccracken, 284 chars, Wed Jan 31 20:43:00 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3789.
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\nUpdate on the death of Jerry Siegel: According to the _New York
\nTimes_ obituary and an exellent piece on NPR’s _All Things Considered_,
\nI was wrong when I said that Siegel and Shuster got only a measly
\n$500 for the rights to Superman.<\/p>\n

The correct figure is $130, not $500.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3792, from sfmcnally, 226 chars, Fri Feb 2 08:13:41 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3790.
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\nThe thing about doing a sequal direct to video is that it should take a lot
\nless time to render it all. They only need to do NTSC resolution, vs however
\nhigh the resolution was that they used for the theatrical film.<\/p>\n

Seumas<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3793, from hmccracken, 716 chars, Sat Feb 3 22:32:02 1996
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\nTITLE: Gene Kelly
\nYou’ve probably seen many tributes already to Gene Kelly, who died
\nyesterday. But we can’t let his passing go unmentioned in the
\nanimation conference. In 1945, he combined live-action of his own
\ndancing with MGM’s animation of Jerry to create the famous sequence
\nin _Anchors Aweigh_, probably the most elaborate blend of live
\naction and cartoons created until that time. Later, he created
\nan even more ambitious live action-cartoon dance sequence for
\n_Invitation to the Dance_, a film he directed in the 1950s. I haven’t
\nseen that film, but it sounds like it’s worth tracking down.<\/p>\n

Anyhow, there have been far too many deaths of note to the members of
\nthis conference so far this year.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3794, from hmccracken, 2698 chars, Sun Feb 4 17:25:21 1996
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\nTITLE: Shamus Culhane
\nWe seem to be entering another one of those unfortunate periods in
\nwhich many of my BIX messages are obituaries. This one is particularly
\ndifficult to write, because it’s about a friend of mine: Shamus Culhane.<\/p>\n

Shamus died on Friday at his home in New York, at the age of 87. I
\nonly knew him for a few years (he wrote some pieces for _Animato_), but
\nhis association with animation goes back to 1925 or so, when he took
\na job at the Mintz studio in the dying days of silent animation. From
\nthere, he went on to work at nearly every animation studio of any consequence:
\nFleischer (where he worked on Betty Boop), Ub Iwerks, Disney (working on
\nshort cartoons as well as _Snow White_ and _Pinocchio_), Fleischer
\nagain (where he worked on the studio’s two animated features), Warner’s
\n(working for Chuck Jones), and Lantz (where he was for a time the studio’s
\nprimary director). In the 1950s, he started his own studio, which became a
\npioneering producer of animated commercials; later, he headed the
\nParamount studio for a time, worked as a freelance animated, and made
\nseveral TV specials. As he neared his eightieth birthday, he took up
\nwriting and produced two excellent books: _Talking Animals and Other
\nPeople_ (his indispensable autobiography) and _Animation From Script to
\nScreen_.<\/p>\n

Shamus, who was born (and sometimes credited) as James Culhane, was
\nprobably most famous for his Disney stint, during which he produced the
\nimmortal animation of the Seven Dwarfs’ “Heigh Ho” march and some of the
\nbest moments in _Pinocchio_. He was underappreciated as a director — his
\nLantz shorts combined music and animation in some genuinely innovative ways.<\/p>\n

His personality was exactly the one conveyed by his books: Profane, hashly
\ncritical of things he disliked, but exceedinly generous as a teacher. He
\nwas as interested in _Animato_ as any youthful cartoon fan, and
\ninvited me into his home for some unforgettable discussions about life,
\nanimation, and art. To the end, he considered himself something of an
\noutsider in the animation business; he had begun his career as a “serious
\nartist” and stumbled into cartooning, which he greatly enjoyed but viewed
\nwith a perspective that was somehow both distanced and passionate. His
\nhouse was full of interesting art, by himself and others; none of it was
\nanimation-related.<\/p>\n

Shamus lived to a reasonably old age, and lived long enough to see his
\nwork widely appreciated, and his films exhibited in several tribute
\nscreenings. _Animation From Script to Screen_ is still in print, and I
\nhope his autobiography becomes available again; it was the first of a
\nnumber of animators’ memoirs, and by far the best. I’ll miss him.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3795, from switch, 111 chars, Wed Feb 7 21:17:27 1996
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\nI found out on Sunday when my mother pointed the obituary out to me in the
\npaper. Another giant gone…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3796, from hmccracken, 182 chars, Wed Feb 7 22:10:29 1996
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\nThe _New York Times_ ran a lengthy and very good obituary of Shamus.
\nThe author either knew the guy or did some terrific research with
\npeople who did (probably the latter).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3797, from hmccracken, 472 chars, Fri Feb 9 09:43:59 1996
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\nTITLE: IS Phil Gramm a Comic Book Fan?
\nOn CNN last night, I saw a sound bite in which Phil Gramm described
\na potential Steve Forbes vs. Bill Clinton presidential campaign as
\n“Richie Rich versus Tom Sawyer.”<\/p>\n

Richie Rich, of course, is the Harvey comic book hero who is the richest
\nkid in the world. Oddly, President Clinton once likened himself to
\nanother Harvey character: He said that, like Baby Huey, he was big, fat,
\nand ugly, but too persistent too ignore.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3798, from hmccracken, 131 chars, Mon Feb 12 15:32:37 1996
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\nTITLE: Mark Your Calendars….
\n…For our next animation CBIX open hous, this coming Sunday at 9pm ET. More
\ndetails soon!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3799, from switch, 375 chars, Tue Feb 13 22:32:26 1996
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\nTITLE: Swing
\nThe February 1996 issue of Swing (the magazine about “Life in your Twenties”
\nhas a 10-page feature dubbed “Behind the Scenes in Toontown,” focusing on
\ntwentysomethings working on The Tick, Earthworm Jim, Aeon Flux, The Head, and
\nReboot. I haven’t read the article yet — I don’t think I’ll have the time
\nbefore March or April — but it looks interesting.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3800, from hmccracken, 283 chars, Fri Feb 16 23:10:31 1996
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\nTITLE: CBIX This Sunday
\nPlease join us on Sunday at 9PM ET for our animation\/comics open house.
\nThere will be door prizes — your choice of Animato magazines and
\nCartoon Network videos — for all attendees, and the floor will be
\nopen for all topics. Hope to see you there!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3801, from hmccracken, 1330 chars, Sun Feb 25 20:33:45 1996
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\nTITLE: Maurice Noble Update
\nI got quite a shock recently when I read a newgroup posting on the Internet
\nwhich mentioned that Maurice Noble had died recently. I hadn’t heard about it,
\nso I called the person who was most likely to know for sure about the matter —
\nMaurice Noble himself. (Maurice is best known as the brilliant designer
\nwho worked closely with Chuck Jones for many years, most notably on
\n_What’s Opera Doc_; he also worked on _Snow White_ and _Bambi_.)<\/p>\n

Happily, the rumors of his death turned out to be about as greatly
\nexaggerated as you could imagine. Maurice is not only alive, he just got
\nback from a lengthy trip to Java, Cambodia, and Thailand (where he visited
\na leper colony founded by his family).<\/p>\n

The trip was a vacation from work: Maurice is working on a new,
\npirate-themed animated feature being produced by Ted Turner. He’s also
\nmoonlighting as a consultant for Warner Bros. and Chuck Jones Productions,
\nand has formed his own production company which is working on a proposed
\nTV series. In his copious spare time, he produces serigraphed,
\nnon-animation-related prints.<\/p>\n

Anyhow, seeing how much time I spend reporting the deaths of animation
\nveterans here, it’s wonderful to be able to report on a animation legend
\nwho’s alive, well, and busy — sixty years after he entered the business.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3802, from hmccracken, 323 chars, Sat Mar 2 21:16:49 1996
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\nTITLE: Whole Toon Returns
\nAs we discussed here towards the end of last year, Whole Toon Access, the
\nfine mail-order purveyor of animation videos, books, and other products,
\nwas recently forced to close its doors. Good news: The owners have found
\nnew financing, and are planning to reopen the business this Spring.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3803, from hmccracken, 309 chars, Sat Mar 2 21:18:39 1996
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\nTITLE: Another Returnee
\nWhole Toon isn’t the only cartoon-related institution that’s undergoing a
\nrebirth. England’s _Punch_ magazine, which was around for 140 years before
\nshutting down (in 1994, I think) has been purchased by the owner of
\nHarrods’ department store, and a revival is in the works.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3804, from hkenner, 8 chars, Sat Mar 2 21:26:57 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3802.
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\nHuzzah!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3805, from switch, 26 chars, Mon Mar 4 22:53:38 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3802.
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\nCheers and huzzahs!<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3806, from hmccracken, 2065 chars, Sat Mar 16 20:57:20 1996
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\nTITLE: A Tribute to Shamus
\nYesterday night, I traveled to New York City for a tribute to Shamus Culhane,
\nthe animator and director who passed away recently. This wonderful program was
\nput together by ASIFA-NY, the east coast animation society — considering
\nthat Shamus spent the majority of his career and life in New York, the
\nlocation was appropriate. (And considering that he was the very model of a
\nmodern Irishman, it made sense that the event was held during St. Patrick’s
\nDay weekend.)<\/p>\n

Naturally, the program included lots of examples of Shamus’s work,
\nincluding the priceless animation he did for _Snow White_ of the dwarfs
\nmarching home and singing “Heigh Ho,” as well as some of his animation of
\nBetty Boop, moments from the cartoons he directed for Walt Lantz in
\nthe 1940s, a selection of his very entertaining animated commercials,
\nand scenes from his animated TV specials of the 1970s, his last work
\nas a director.<\/p>\n

Several friends of Shamus’s spoke, including his cousin, author
\nJohn Culhane, who remembered Shamus both as a relative and friend and as
\na collaborator on several animated TV specials. Other speakers included
\nHoward Beckerman, who worked for Shamus at his pioneering animted
\ncommercial studio on the 1950s, and Hal Seeger, who started out working
\nwith Shamus at the Fleischer studio and eventually hired Shamus to work
\nat Hal Seeger Productions, which produced _Milton the Monster_ and other
\nTV cartoons in the 1950s. Mrs. Culhane could not be present, but sent
\nalong a moving letter recounting a trip the Culhanes made to Mexico last
\nNovember, when Shamus was already very ill.<\/p>\n

And Shamus *himself* spoke about his life and work, thanks to the wonders
\nof videotape. Some of these video sequences were apparently prepared for an
\nevent for which Shamus could not be present, so he addresses the camera,
\nregrets his inability to be with us personally, and bid us goodbye at the
\nconclusion of the evening. Goodbye, old friend — it was a memorable
\nevening, and it’s nice that Shamus was present, in a way, to be part of it.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3807, from hmccracken, 1338 chars, Mon Mar 25 22:17:21 1996
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\nTITLE: And the Oscars go to…
\nKudos to the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences for scheduling
\nall of tonight’s animation-related Oscars in a block near the
\nstart of the program. A recap:<\/p>\n

* Robin Williams appeared and did a moderately funny routine to introduce Chuck
\nJones, who won an honorary Oscar. Jones, who walked with a cane but looked
\nwell, otherwise, gave a brief, nice acceptance speech. And it was nice to
\nsee the Master get a standing ovation from the likes of Sharon Stone and
\nQuentin Tarrentino.<\/p>\n

* John Lasseter got an honorary Oscar for pioneering the use of computer
\nanimation in _Toy Story_, and was followed by a cute sequence starring
\n_Toy_’s Woody and Buzz.<\/p>\n

* Nick Park won his second Oscar (or is it his third?), for _A Close
\nShave_. I haven’t seen it yet, but am certainly looking forward to it. In
\nmost recent years, this award has been presented by a cartoon character,
\nbut not this year. (Perhaps the Academy decided to put its animation
\nbudget into the _Toy Story_ scene, or perhaps the fact that a Mickey Mouse
\ncartoon was up for best animated short affected its decision.)<\/p>\n

There are actually two awards yet to come for which animated films have
\nbeen nominated: _Toy Story_ and _Pocahontas_ are both up for best song,
\nand _Toy Story_ is a dark horse nominee for best original screenplay.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3808, from hmccracken, 163 chars, Tue Mar 26 00:07:56 1996
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\nTwo more Oscars turned out to be animated: _Pocahontas_ won for best score for
\na musical or comedy, as well as for best song (for _Colors of the Wind_).<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3809, from nicolas, 348 chars, Tue Mar 26 04:36:57 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3807.
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\nRe: And the Oscars go to…
\n>* Nick Park won his second Oscar (or is it his third?), for _A Close
\n>Shave_. I haven’t seen it yet, but am certainly looking forward to i<\/p>\n

Good for him! _A Close Shave is_ as funny as the other two. It’s out on
\nvideo in the UK.
\n—
\nNico Veenkamp Cybrarian at large
\nhttp:\/\/www.xs4all.nl\/~nicolas\/index.html<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3810, from hmccracken, 1347 chars, Sun Apr 7 15:43:49 1996
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\nTITLE: Masterpiece Theater
\nIf you’ve watched TV in recent weeks, you’ve probably seen at least one
\nof Disney’s ads for a video called _The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh._
\nThe commercials call this tape “Walt Disney’s masterpiece” and “the original
\nfilm that started it all.”<\/p>\n

Now, aside from the fact that A.A. Milne is probably spinning in his grave,
\n_The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh_ didn’t start anything. In fact,
\nit’s hardly even a film, and Walt Disney himself didn’t have much
\nconnection with it.<\/p>\n

What it is is a compilation, originally released in the mid-1970s, of
\nthree short Pooh films: _Winnie the Pooh and the Honey Tree_, _Winnie the
\nPooh and the Blustery Day_, and _Winnie the Pooh and Tigger Too_. Only one
\nof these was released during Walt Disney’s lifetime, and as a compilation
\nfilm which was only briefly released to theaters, it’s nothing that most
\npeople would mention in the same breath as Disney’s greatest films.
\n(Unless, of course, they were trying to sell you a video copy of it.)<\/p>\n

The Disney studios has been responsible for a handful of films that are
\nmasterpieces by almost anybody’s definition. Too bad that they promote
\nalmost all the animation features they’ve ever made as such — including
\n_Robin Hood_, a 1973 film that’s quite possible the WORST animated film
\nthe studio ever produced.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3811, from hkenner, 44 chars, Sun Apr 7 17:51:13 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3810.
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\nThank you, Harry! That needed saying.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3812, from hmccracken, 505 chars, Sun Apr 7 20:49:22 1996
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\nTITLE: And now, some news about a *real* Disney masterpiece…
\nCan Pope John Paul II be a cartoon fan? The Vatican’s Pontifical Council for
\nSocial Communications has honored forty-five films for their religious
\nthemes, values, or artistic merit. As you might expect, ones such as
\n_Ben-Hur_ and _The Gospel According to St. Matthew_ made the list, but so
\ndid _Fantasia_. Actually, the list is remarkably varied: It also incoudes
\n_The Lavender Hill Mob_, +Nosferatu_, _Stagecoach_, and _2001_.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3813, from hmccracken, 46 chars, Sun Apr 7 20:49:41 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3811.
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\nThank you for the kind words, Hugh!<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3814, from hmccracken, 284 chars, Sun Apr 7 22:06:51 1996
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\nI forgot to mention another thing about that OPooh ad — it claims
\nthat the video stars “all your favorite Disney characters.” Which
\nis only true if your favorite Disney characters include Pooh, Rabbit, and
\nTigger, and DON’T include Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Goofy, et al.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3815, from peabo, 64 chars, Mon Apr 8 00:42:51 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3812.
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\nMaybe they liked the “Ave Maria” at the end of Fantasia?<\/p>\n

peter<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3816, from hkenner, 172 chars, Mon Apr 8 13:01:18 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3814.
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\nAn unpleasant aspect of Disney marketing has always been the studio’s
\nclaim to have *created* any character it animated. Thus Milne was
\nroutinely displaced by Walt.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3817, from hmccracken, 217 chars, Tue Apr 9 22:25:22 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3815.
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\nNo doubt the Vatican DID like the “Ave Maria” sequence, but they gave
\n_Fantasia_ its honor for “artistic merit.” (The films were divided into
\nthree categories: Religious Themes, Values, and Artistic Merit.)<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3818, from edejesus, 34 chars, Wed Apr 10 09:47:22 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3812.
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\nI’d like to see that entire list!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3819, from hmccracken, 547 chars, Thu Apr 11 09:45:19 1996
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Richard Condon
\nRichard Condon has died at the age of 81. Best known as the author of _The
\nManchurian Candidate_, _Prizzi’s Honor_, _Winter Kills_, and other comic-but-edgy
\nnovels, Condon got his start by working as a publicist for the Disney Studio in
\nthe late 1930s and 1940s.<\/p>\n

Curiously enough, he was not the only Disney publicist to go onto a measure of
\nfame in a different business. H.R. Haldeman, Nixon’s Watergate-tainted chief of
\nstaff, was a P.R. man for Disneyland before getting into the political racket.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3820, from switch, 2770 chars, Sat Apr 13 09:37:58 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3818.
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\nAsk and ye shall receive:<\/p>\n

From: be*****@ne****.c<\/span>om<\/span> (Don Bertino)
\nDate: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:29:49 GMT
\nNewsgroups: rec.arts.disney.misc,rec.arts.disney.animation
\nSubject: Re: Vatican Picks Fantasia Pix<\/p>\n

Previously si*****@uc*****.e<\/span>du<\/span> wrote:
\n>In article <Pi**************************************@jo**.c<\/span>om<\/span>> Rich Koster <rk*****@sh***.c<\/span>om<\/span>> wri
\ntes:
\n>>
\n>> The Vatican has commemorated 100 years of motion pictures by
\n>> picking what it considers the greatest movies of all time. One
\n>> of the categories are films which “are, simply, masterpieces of
\n>> the cinematic language and art.” Included on their list in
\n>> that category is Walt Disney’s “Fantasia.”
\n>>
\n> Where can we get our hands on this list? Sounds interesting. Is there a
\n>Vatican announcements Web page? Or was it published somewhere?<\/p>\n

The Vatican’s list of best movies, in three categories:<\/p>\n

*RELIGION:
\nAndrei Roublev
\nMission
\nLa Passion De Jean D’Arc
\nLa Passion Pathe’
\nFrancesco, Giullare Di Dio
\nIl Vangelo Secondo Matteo
\nTherese
\nOrdet
\nSacrificio
\nFrancesco
\nBen Hur
\nBabette’s Feast
\nNazarin
\nMonsieur Vincent
\nA Man for All Seasons<\/p>\n

*VALUES:
\nGandhi
\nIntolerance
\nIl Decalogo
\nAu Revoir Les Infants
\nDersu Uzala
\nL’Albero Degli Zoccoli
\nRoma Citta’ Aperta
\nSmultronstallet
\nDet Sjunde Inselglet
\nChariots of Fire
\nLadri Di Biciclette
\nIt’s a Wonderful Life
\nSchindler’s List
\nOn the Waterfront
\nBiruma No Tategoto<\/p>\n

*ART:
\n2001: A Space Odyssey
\nLa Strada
\nCitizen Kane
\nMetropolis
\nModern Times
\nNapoleon
\nOtto E. Mezzo
\nLa Grande Illusion
\nNosferatu
\nStagecoach
\nIl Gattopardo
\nFantasia
\nWizard of Oz
\nThe Lavender Hill Mob
\nLittle Women<\/p>\n

don
\n—
\nbe*****@ne****.c<\/span>om<\/span> ____\/^\\_____________________________________
\nDisney ascii art & \/ \\ || FDC MCP || \/ \\
\nanimations are at <______\\ [] [] [] || [] [] [] || [] [] [] \/______>
\nftp.netcom.com ======\\—————-||———-||—————-\/===
\n\/pub\/be\/bertino========\\______________||__________||______________\/=====<\/p>\n

Dynamite Disney Document of the Day (available at the above FTP site):
\n** Attraction Descriptions\/Scripts: EPCOT.listen.to.the.land.Z
\ndon
\n—
\nbe*****@ne****.c<\/span>om<\/span> ____\/^\\_____________________________________
\nDisney ascii art & \/ \\ || FDC MCP || \/ \\
\nanimations are at <______\\ [] [] [] || [] [] [] || [] [] [] \/______>
\nftp.netcom.com ======\\—————-||———-||—————-\/===
\n\/pub\/be\/bertino========\\______________||__________||______________\/=====<\/p>\n

Dynamite Disney Document of the Day (available at the above FTP site):
\n** Attraction Descriptions\/Scripts: EPCOT.horizons.Z<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3821, from hmccracken, 837 chars, Mon Apr 15 23:07:30 1996
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\nTITLE: Entertainment Weekly’s Fifty Greatest Directors
\nThe new issue of _Entertainment Weekly_ features the magazine’s picks
\nfor the fifty greatest directors of all time. There aren’t any
\nanimation directors on the list, but there is a sidebar on Chuck
\nJones, reporting on his Oscar honors (he disliked the film clip
\ncollection they showed) and his _Another Froggy Evening_ cartoon
\n(he’s not sure if it’s a success or not, artistically speaking).<\/p>\n

I may be biased, but I think Jones deserved a spot on the top
\nfifty list, too — certainly more so than an Oliver Stone or a
\nJerry Lewis. Tex Avery, too, ought to have been on the list.
\n(Walt Disney isn’t on it, but technically speaking he wasn’t
\nreally a director.)<\/p>\n

Of course, the list doesn’t include Charlie Chaplin, either (!!!) —
\nso it’s inadequate in other respects, too.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3822, from edejesus, 11 chars, Tue Apr 16 08:50:06 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3820.
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\nThank you!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3823, from nicolas, 552 chars, Wed Apr 17 08:48:20 1996
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: New Disney Animation
\nI caught the end of an animation item on CNN last night. Does anyone know
\nwhat it’s about and when it is coming out in the theatres. It looked very
\nstopmotion animation like _Night before christmas_ and featured characters
\nlike Ladybug and Earthworm.<\/p>\n

In that same item they mentioned something about a direct to video sequel
\nto _Lion King_. Probably the same animation degradation as in _Return of
\nJafar_. Anyone know more details?<\/p>\n

—
\nNico Veenkamp Cybrarian at large
\nhttp:\/\/www.xs4all.nl\/~nicolas\/index.html<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3824, from hmccracken, 1128 chars, Wed Apr 17 09:51:53 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3823.
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\nNico, the film you saw previewed is _James and the Giant Peach_, which
\nopened in the U.S. last Friday. (Not sure when it’s coming to your part
\nof the world.) It’s directed by Henry Selick, the same guy who did
\n_The Nightmare Before Christmas_, and is based on the book by Roald
\nDahl.<\/p>\n

I plan to see it this weekend, despite the fact that I’ve had a grudge
\nagainst _James and the Giant Peach_ — which I’ve never read — for
\nmore than twenty-five years. In 1971, when I was in first grade, my
\nteacher was reading us the book out loud; I found it boring, and went
\nby myself into another room, where I sat in a chair and rocked back and forth
\nby myself. The chair tipped too far backwards, I fell over, and I cracked
\nmy head against a wall, requiring an emergeny hospital visit and stitches.
\nI’ve always felt that if _James and the Giant Peach_ had been a more
\ninteresting book, my accident would never have happened.<\/p>\n

Fortunately, you can’t tip a movie theater seat over, so I should be
\nsafe even if the movie isn’t any better. (Actually, it’s gotten very
\ngood reviews — _Time_ said it’s an improvement over the book.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3825, from edejesus, 145 chars, Wed Apr 17 10:04:45 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3823.
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\nI think that’s “James and the Giant Peach”, done by the same folks who
\ndid “Nightmare Before Christmas” and produced, I believe, by Tim Burton.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3826, from nicolas, 364 chars, Thu Apr 18 02:29:03 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3824.
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\nHarry, thanks for the info. Usually it takes about half a year to a year
\nfor a movie to reach our theatres. Unfortunately AFAIK _Nightmare before
\nChristmas_ never reached the theatres here and I could only watch it on
\nvideo. The same will probably happen with _James…_ \ud83d\ude41
\n—
\nNico Veenkamp Cybrarian at large
\nhttp:\/\/www.xs4all.nl\/~nicolas\/index.html<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3827, from hmccracken, 1704 chars, Mon Apr 22 20:03:42 1996
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Christopher Milne
\nChristopher Milne has died at the age of 75. Milne earned certain immortality
\nby the very fact that he was the son of British author A.A. Milne — who
\nturned the stories he told he young son about a bear called Winnie-the-Pooh
\ninto classics of children’s literature. Eventually, of course, the books
\nwere turned into theatrical and TV cartoons by the Disney company — and
\nsadly, it is this version of Christopher Robin, who has been known to speak
\nwith an american accent, who is probably best known to U.S. children.<\/p>\n

The younger Milne, who worked as a bookseller as an adult, apparently didn’t
\nhave much fun being the inspiration for the Pooh books’ Christopher Robin;
\nhe wrote three memoirs, the first of which, at least, is filled with
\nunhappiness — Christopher didn’t seem to care much for his father and
\ndistinctly disliked the fact that his childhood had been memorialized in the
\nway it was.<\/p>\n

Oddly, the _New York Times_ obituary says that “In photographs, it was clear
\nhow closely A.A. Milne had modeled the fictional Christopher Robin on
\nhis son: the same wide, inquisitive brown eyes, the same carefully cropped mop
\ntop, the same gingham smock.” Of course, A.A. Milne didn’t illustrate the
\nPooh books –E.H. Shephard did. The photograph the _Times_ reproduces of
\na young Christopher Milne doesn’t look that much like the drawings —
\nMilne had dark hair, while the boy in the books had light hair. And how
\ncan the _Times_ say that the real boy and the fictional one had the same
\nbrown eyes when the books were illustrated in black and white? I’m not
\nposititve, but I believe that Shephard used a different little boy as a
\nmodel for his drawings.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3828, from hmccracken, 1200 chars, Thu Apr 25 17:34:09 1996
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\nTITLE: Obituary: P.L. Travers
\nFirst we lose Christopher Robin; now P.L. Travers is gone. Travers, 96, was the
\ncreator of Mary Poppins, the magical and mysterious nanny who appeared in numerous
\nbooks and was the inspiration for Disney’s 1964 live-action\/animated film, which
\nwon Julie Andrews a Best Actress Oscar for her performance in the title role.
\n(Travers’ books were illustrated by Mary Shepard, the daughter of E.H. Shepard,
\nthe artist for the Pooh books.)<\/p>\n

Travers, who was born Helen Goff but took the stage name of Pamela Lyndon Travers
\nwhen she worked as an actress in her youth, was born in Australia but spent most
\nof her life in England. Walt Disney very much wanted the rights to the Poppins books, and
\nspent many years trying to convince Travers to sell them. Eventually she did, but
\nshe seems not to have thought much of the movie Disney made. (And while it is
\nundoubtedly one of the best live-action films Disney ever produced, Julie Andrews
\ndoes seem singularly miscast as Mary Poppins — she’s far too young, pretty, and
\nbubbly.)<\/p>\n

Disney has made noises in recent years about producing a sequel to _Mary Poppins_,
\nbut I don’t know if it’s an active project these days.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3829, from hmccracken, 2444 chars, Sat Apr 27 20:54:09 1996
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: New Publications
\nQuick notes on some new animation-related publications of interest:<\/p>\n

* _fps_ is our own Emru (Switch) Townsend’s magazine, and I’m mentioning
\nit because he’s too modest to plug it very often here. I’m looking at
\ndouble issue #6\/7 — it’s dated Summer\/Autumn 1995, so it may not be
\nthat new, but I just got my copy (the first I’ve seen with slick color
\ncovers). And it’s excellent — there are a bunch of articles on
\ncomputer animation, a profusion of reviews, a lot of news and opinion
\npieces, and even a mini magazine-within-the-magazine. _fps_ is one of the
\nmost diverse animation magazines being published; it covers nearly everything
\nrelated to the artform, but does especially well with articles on new
\nfilms and coverage of technology-related issues. This double issue is
\n$8.95 (Canadian?), and I’m sure Emru can tell you how to get a copy.<\/p>\n

* Almost exactly five years ago, I got too busy to continue editing
\n_Animato_, my own animation magazine. I’m happy to report that _Animato_
\nhas continued to flourish without me (except as a writer) — the new
\nissue, #34, has just been published. Like _fps_, _Animato_ is packed with
\narticles on almost every aspect of animation; the cover story this time is
\non animation voice artists, and there are also interviews with Joe
\nBarbera, John Dilworth, and Charles Solomon, lots of news and reviews,
\nindustry profiles, and even a young readers’ page and a trivia quiz. It
\nalso has my column on Sam Singer, my candidate for the title of Worst
\nAnimation Producer of All Time. This 72-page issue costs $4.50, and while
\n_Animato_ was distributed mainly through comics shops in my day, it’s now
\nfairly easy to find in the magazine sections of large, well-stocked book
\nchains such as Borders and Barnes and Noble.<\/p>\n

* All the world may be gaga over the Jackie Kennedy Onassis auction, but
\nfor cartoon fans, the auctions of Burbank’s Howard Lowery Gallery are at
\nleast as exciting. The next one is being held this coming Monday, and as
\nusual, the gallery has put out a lavishly-illustrated catalog that’s a
\nterrific read even if you can’t even contemplate bidding on the materials
\nit contains. The emphasis is on Disney art (and books, and autographs, and
\nposters), but there are also pieces from Warner Bros. and other studios. I
\ndon’t recall how much I paid for the catalog, but it was about $10 and
\nworth every penny. The Lowery gallery can be reached at 818\/972-9080.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3830, from sfmcnally, 163 chars, Sun Apr 28 12:30:56 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3829.
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\nI’d be very interested in subscribing to _fps_, for one, if it deals a fair bit
\nwith computers being used in 3D and 2D animation. Have any specific info?<\/p>\n

Seumas<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3831, from switch, 581 chars, Wed May 1 22:32:06 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3829.
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\nThanks for the kind words, Harry; fps #6\/7 is the issue of which I’m the
\nproudest, in terms of content and presentation. All the more so because of
\nthe problems I had to contend with in terms of putting it together (#6 looks
\ndifferent from #7 in subtle ways because I was forced to switch computer
\nplatforms and software between issues.) It’s also the last issue where I did
\nthe layout myself; as of the eighth issue, Rene Walling, a friend and fellow
\nConcordia ex-inmate, is handling that.<\/p>\n

fps is also being carried by Borders Books as of the next (ninth) issue.
\nYippee!<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3832, from switch, 623 chars, Wed May 1 22:36:16 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3830.
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\nTo be fair, fps doesn’t cover computers as much as in the 7th issue; that
\nwas a special issue on computers and animation. Since then we are going to
\nhave regular reviews of animation-related software (#9 reviews Crystal
\nGraphics’ Flying Fonts Pro, #10 reviews 3D\/Eye’s TriSpectives Professional) in
\nmost of our upcoming issues, as well as our regular feature on creating your
\nown 2D animation on a personal computer.<\/p>\n

I do have some nifty information on new SoftImage products coming down the
\npike. Unfortunately, maddeningly enough, I’m under a non-disclosure
\nagreement. I’m hoping that I can say something soon.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3833, from hkenner, 51 chars, Wed May 1 23:14:15 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3831.
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\nAnd “fps” stands for … ?<\/p>\n

Feet per second?<\/p>\n

–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3834, from switch, 25 chars, Wed May 1 23:18:15 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3833.
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\nFrames per second.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3835, from sfmcnally, 139 chars, Fri May 3 04:55:59 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3832.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nHave you done any articles on NewTek’s Lightwave in the past? I hear version
\n5.0 with OpenGL support should be released soon\/now.<\/p>\n

Seumas<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3836, from switch, 46 chars, Sat May 4 09:04:26 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3835.
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\nNot yet. It’s in the pipeline, though.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3837, from hmccracken, 1193 chars, Sun May 5 23:06:38 1996
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Black in the New Yorker
\nI’m not the first one to comment on this fact: Normally, there are about
\nas many black people in _New Yorker_ cartoons as you’d find at a
\nJesse Helms pep rally. But the April 29th-May 6th issue of the magazine
\nis a special “Black in America,” one, so it’s not surprising that
\nit’s a little more racially balanced than usual.<\/p>\n

Unfortunately, most of the cartoons are really about white people —
\nwhite people who say good-naturedly patronizing things about black
\npeople who stand there in non-speaking supporting roles. (More
\nthan usual, this issue’s cartoons appear to have been sitting in a
\nvault for thirty or so years before publication.) Apparently,
\nthese black _New Yorker_ cartoon characters who appear this week have been
\nbussed in from somewhere for this issue, and presumably, they’ll be bussed
\nout again as of next week.<\/p>\n

I have no interest in doing a racial breakdown of the artists who
\ncontributed to this special issue, but for the most part they’re the usual
\ncrew, and most (if not all) of the usual crew are of the white persuasion.
\nThere is one cartoon by Robb Armstrong, who is black, and who does the
\n_Jump Start_ newspaper strip.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3838, from switch, 204 chars, Mon May 6 21:52:33 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3837.
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\nYou know, I’ve been wondering for years if anyone in this conference has ever
\nread Luther or any other strip by Brumsic Brandon Jr., aside from me. Or, for
\nthat matter, even heard of him. Anyone?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3839, from hmccracken, 425 chars, Mon May 6 22:47:28 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3838.
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\nSure — It was never in a local paper, but I did see it from time to time.
\nIt ran for many years, but eventually faded out in the 1980s. His
\ndaughter now does a syndicated strip for Universal Press, in a
\nFeifferesque format. (Come to think of it, she would have been been
\na good cartoonist to contribute to that New Yorker issue.)<\/p>\n

The Maurice Horn encyclopedia I mentioned yesterday has an
\nentry on both Brandons.<\/p>\n

– Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3840, from switch, 83 chars, Mon May 6 22:55:29 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3839.
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\nLuther lasted that long? I wonder if there are any reprints kicking around.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3841, from hmccracken, 408 chars, Tue May 7 11:21:39 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3840.
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\nAccording to Horn’s strip encyclopedia, there were at least six
\nLuther books published. One of the maddening things about this
\nbook is how vague it is about dates: It seems to imply that Luther
\nstarted in the late 1960s or early 1970s (1960s, I think), and
\nthat it is no longer in syndication — but it doesn’t really
\nspecify. I’m pretty sure it ran from the mid-1960s until the
\nmid-to-late 1980s.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3842, from switch, 42 chars, Wed May 8 22:39:17 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3841.
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\nThanks for the info. It’s a start!<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3843, from hmccracken, 464 chars, Sun May 12 14:13:05 1996
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Luana Patten
\nLuana Patten has died. Patten, who was 57, was one of the first Disney
\nstars who was a real live person rather than a mouse, duck, or pig;
\nas a child, she starred in Disney’s _Somg of the South_, _Melody Time_,
\nand _So Dear to my Heart_, three films that combined animation and
\nlive action. As a contract player, she also appeared in several
\npurely live-action Disney films, including _Johnny Tremain_ and
\n_Follow Me Boys!_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3844, from hmccracken, 1163 chars, Sun May 19 00:20:38 1996
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Virgil Ross
\nJust got an e-mail from former BIXen Dave Mackey with the sad news
\nthat Virgil Ross passed away last Wednesday. Ross was an animator
\nfor Warner Bros. for more thasn thirty years, and while he was
\nbest known for working on films directed by Friz Freleng, he also
\nworked with Bob Clampett and Tex Avery. Ross began his career
\nin 1930 at the Mintz Studio, and also worked for Ub Iwerks and
\nWalter Lantz before ending up at Warner’s.<\/p>\n

Ross was well known for being an excellent all-around animator
\nwho was especially good at animating dance sequences.
\nI always had a felling for flowing motion, and I don’t like
\nto see anything jerky,” he told John Province. “What pleases
\nme is watching something like ice skaters, or Fred Astaire.
\nThat’s the type of thing I always liked to put into my animation,
\nsomething with a flowing quality. I always had an eye for
\nmovement, and I think this kept me in the business a lot
\nlonger than a lot of guys, despite the fact that I really wasn’t
\nvery good at drawing.”<\/p>\n

For more on Virgil Ross, see the interview with him in _Animato_
\n#19, Winter 1990, from which the above quotation is taken.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3845, from hmccracken, 497 chars, Sun May 19 11:38:47 1996
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\nTITLE: Animation in the _Times_
\nThe Arts and Leisure section of today’s _New York Times_ certainly
\ndoesn’t skimp on animation-related items: The lead story is an excellent
\nprofile of Disney animator Andreas Deja (a Polish-German-American who
\nhas been responsible for drawing the villains in most of Disney’s
\nrecent films), as well as a shorter piece on Cal Arts, the Valencia,
\nCalifornia art school which was founded by Walt Disney and is the
\nleading training ground for young animators.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3846, from hkenner, 57 chars, Sun May 19 13:18:00 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3844.
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\nHow old was Virgil Ross, Harry? In his 80’s maybe?
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3847, from hmccracken, 144 chars, Mon May 20 21:56:29 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3846.
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\nWell, he was 83 at the time of the 1990 _Animato_ interview, so that
\nwould place his age at the time of his passing at about 89 or so.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3848, from hmccracken, 119 chars, Fri May 24 14:46:26 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3847.
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\nAn update on Virgil Ross’s age at the time of his passing: according to
\nformer BIXen Dave Mackey, he was 88.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3849, from hmccracken, 662 chars, Mon May 27 21:10:17 1996
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\nTITLE: Buzz and Woody, International Stars
\nToday’s _New York Times_ has an interesting spread which surveys varying
\nentertainment tastes around the world by listing the top three TV shows,
\nmovies, magazines, CDs, and books in nine different countries around
\nthe world. Mostly, the results show how much our likes differ. But
\nJohn Lasseter’s _Toy Story_ seems to know no boundaries: it’s currently
\na hit in England, France, Poland, and Japan. (It’s also still in the
\ntop 10 in the U.S., after *six* months of release.)<\/p>\n

One other comics\/cartoons-related tidbit from the _Times_ charts: the
\ntop two magazines in Japan are both adult-oriented comic books.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3850, from nicolas, 160 chars, Wed May 29 04:39:09 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3849.
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\nRe: Buzz and Woody, International Stars
\nInclude The Netherlands too.
\n—
\nNico Veenkamp Cybrarian at large
\nhttp:\/\/www.xs4all.nl\/~nicolas\/index.html<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3851, from hmccracken, 1203 chars, Sun Jun 2 18:36:34 1996
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\nTITLE: Is Disney Going Down the Drain?
\nOkay, that message title is a bit hyperbolic, but I was surprised to
\nfind that the Disney Store at my local shopping center (the Burlington
\nMall) has closed its doors. In the ten years or so since the first
\nDisney Store opened, the chain has become remarkably ubiquitous —
\njust about every mall of any size around here has one. It’s also
\ninspired imitators, most notably the Warner Bros. Studio Stores,
\nwhich also seem to be almost everywhere I look. (Indeed, there’s
\none directly across from the Disney location that closed.)<\/p>\n

I’m sure the Disney Stores did well when they were a novelty, but I
\nwonder if Disney has flooded the market. The stores themselves are
\nusually not all that large, and much of the merchandise they contain
\nis nothing out the ordinary, and is overpriced. Warner’s seems to have
\na slightly different marketing strategy: its stores are larger on
\naverage, contain merchandise aimed at teenagers and grown-ups,
\nand seem to have more out-of-the-ordinary, clever products.<\/p>\n

Of course, there’s no chance that the Disney Stores will go out
\nof business any time soon. In fact, there’s another that’s
\nabout to open at another local mall.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3852, from lkaplan, 361 chars, Wed Jun 5 14:19:12 1996
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\nTITLE: New animated feature!
\nI just heard a brief review on NPR of “The Best of ArdMan (sp?) Animation”,
\nwhich will be opening soon in the U.S. — sounds like limited release,
\nmajor cities for right now.<\/p>\n

It consists of several of Nick Park’s “Wallace & Grommet” claymation movies
\n… (sorry, I caught this one in the background, so I don’t have a list).<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3853, from jjanney, 313 chars, Wed Jun 5 15:20:44 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3852.
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\nThat’s been playing in Salt Lake for a couple of weeks now — well
\nworth seeing. Lots of Nick Park, but only one with with Wallace &
\nGrommet: the latest one, “A Close Shave”.<\/p>\n

I think the one I enjoyed the most was the “Pib and Pog” show, because
\nI kept thinking “gee, I see this every day on the internet”. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3854, from hmccracken, 253 chars, Wed Jun 5 20:37:04 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3853.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nHow is _A Close Shave_? The Aardman show has gotten rave reviews everythere
\n(including in _The New Yorker_), but hasn’t made it to Boston yet.
\nI regard Nick Park as one of the best animators working today, so I’m
\nlooking forward to seeing it.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3855, from jjanney, 257 chars, Wed Jun 5 21:30:02 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3854.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nI think I would have enjoyed it more if I hadn’t kept hearing how it
\nwas “even better than _The Wrong Trousers_”: I kept waiting for it to
\nbe better, and IMHO it wasn’t. But it’s still very good, probably the
\nsecond best of the “Wallace & Grommit” series.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3856, from hmccracken, 1361 chars, Fri Jun 7 00:00:15 1996
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\nTITLE: Bill Hanna Speaks Out
\nBill Hanna has written his autobiography, _A Cast of Friends_. Since his
\nbusiness partner of 60 years, Joe Barbera, recently wrote *his* autobiography,
\n_My Life in Toons_, we now have both sides of the story of the famous
\nHanna-Barbera team.<\/p>\n

I haven’t finished Hanna’s book yet, but so far it seems like a nice book by
\na nice man. Hanna, a lifelong Boy Scouting nut who has attended regular
\nreunions of his Scout Troop since the 1920s, is an Eagle Scout, both
\nliterally and figuratively. I’m only up through his early years at MGM,
\nand so far he has some pleasant anecdotes about the golden age of animation,
\nbut none of the revealing anecdotes or earthy tales you’ll find in such books
\nas Shamus Culhane’s _Talking Animals and Other People_ or Jack Kinney’s
\n_Walt Disney and Assorted Other Characters_. I’m worried that the book will
\nget progressively blander, since that’s what happened to Hanna-Barbera’s
\nwork as they entered the TV cartoon business and turned out bushels of
\nremarkably rotten limited animation.<\/p>\n

Both Hanna and Barbera are still at work, by the way. And both cheerfully admit
\nthat they are business associates, not buddies, and have never hung out
\ntogether outside the studio. I’ve heard rumors that they actively dislike each
\nother, in Abbott-and-Costello fashion, but I don’t know if they’re true.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3857, from lkaplan, 235 chars, Fri Jun 7 10:34:32 1996
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Cartoon Music
\nWho did the music for the Heckle & Jeckle cartoons? I’m sitting here
\nlistening to some Tex Williams recordings from the late 1940s (classified
\nas “Western Swing”, I guess), and those 2 birds come to mind …<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3858, from hmccracken, 390 chars, Fri Jun 7 13:31:29 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3857.
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\nPhil Scheib was the Terry composer for several decades, so he was probably
\nresponsible for most, if not all, of the Heckle and Jeckle scores.
\nTerry music always has a distinctive cheesiness about it, in part
\nbecause it’s so cheap. It seems to be performed by a three-man band
\nconsisting of a kazoo player, a cigar-box banjoist, and somebody
\nthumping out a rhythm on a countertop.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3859, from switch, 358 chars, Fri Jun 7 22:45:22 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3855.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nI concur. I caught A Close Shave at a special screening here about two
\nmonths ago, where they showed Creature Comforts, A Grand Day Out, The Wrong
\nTrousers, and A Close Shave back to back. While A Close Shave is
\ntechnically brilliant and a fine film in its own right, it’s still comes in
\nsecond to Trousers. A close second, but second nonetheless.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3860, from elfhive, 885 chars, Sat Jun 8 10:52:53 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3859.
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\nI just managed to catch the Aardman show at the Biograph here in DC because
\nit had been rescheduled. The Biograph, by the way, is about to close at
\nthe end of the month. For almost thirty years it has been a major venue
\nfor animation specials and anime theatricals.<\/p>\n

I have to say that I found A Close Shave a superior film to The Wrong
\nTrousers, particularly from a writer’s perspective. I think the love
\ninterest element was outstandingly handled and gave the simple dramatic
\nplot greater depth. If this had been left out, then I would have seen
\nthe third film as simply a formulaic repetition of the second. As it is
\nthere is a dramatic evolution at work in Parks material.<\/p>\n

I also particularly liked Wat Pig which I felt was a nice twist to a
\nclassic storyline. I can’t remember the names of the two creators, but
\nI’m impressed with the talent that Aardman is fostering in the UK><\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3861, from hmccracken, 1390 chars, Sun Jun 9 21:34:33 1996
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\nTITLE: Details on the San Diego Comics Convention
\n…or Comic Con International: San Diego, as its proprietors call it these
\ndays. As you probably know if you’re a long-time member of this conference,
\nthe San Diego Con is an enormous event that includes dozens of guests
\nfrom comics, animation, and related fields, lots of panel discussions and
\nfilms, and several football fields’ worth of merchandise for sale.
\n(If you doubt the size of the con, watch this year’s Republican Convention,
\nwhich is also being held in the San Diego Convention Hall, then imagine
\nthe same amount of space taken up by comics stuff instead of Republicans.)<\/p>\n

The convention — the comics one, not the Republican one — runs from July
\n4th through the 7th this year. A tiny sample of the guests: Mark (Luke
\nSkywalker) Hamill, Will (The Spirit) Eisner, John (Spiderman) Romita,
\nKurt (Captain Marvel) Schaffenberger, Mort (Mad Magazine) Drucker, and
\nMarie Severin, the legendary comics colorist. The list of exhibitors takes
\nup three larg pages of tiny type, and panels range from the First National
\nComic Book Grading Symposium to an Homage to Nobility in Comics.<\/p>\n

I’ve been to three San Diego cons, and they’ve all been terrific. I’d be
\nthere again this year — I have business in California earlier that week —
\nbut some family responsibilities will bring me home to Boston before the
\nconvention begins.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3862, from hmccracken, 851 chars, Sun Jun 9 21:43:34 1996
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\nTITLE: Animation Books by Mail
\nWant to shop for animation books from the comfort of your favorite armchair?
\nCall the Howard Lowery Gallery at 818\/972-9080 and ask for a copy of
\nits new animation book catalog. It’s the best one I’ve seen, with everything
\nfrom the expected (_The Art of Walt Disney_) to the unexpected (_Walt
\nDisney’s Famous Quotes_, _Wer Ist Carl Barks?_) to several books that
\nhaven’t been published yet. It’s also got some videos, CDs, and oddities
\nsuch as Uncle Scrooge money clips.<\/p>\n

If you live in Southern California, you can go to the Lowery Gallery itself
\n(appropriately located in Burbank) for its frequent signings.
\nA fun-sounding one happened yesterday: Adriana Caselotti (the voice of
\nSnow White) and Ilene Woods (the voice of Cinderella) appeared to sign
\ncopies of a limited-edition cel entitled _Royal Couples_.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3863, from hmccracken, 283 chars, Mon Jul 22 00:19:30 1996
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\nTITLE: BIX CBIX Open House this Sunday!
\nPlease join us this Sunday, July 28th, at 9pm for a BIX CBIX open house.
\nIt’s been much too long since we last got together to discuss comics, cartoons,
\nand whatever other topics come to mind. More details to follow — see you there!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3864, from hmccracken, 133 chars, Sat Jul 27 19:42:39 1996
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\nTITLE: CBIX Reminder
\nJust a reminder that we’ll be having a CBIX session tomorrow (Sunday) night
\nat 9pm ET. Please join us!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3865, from hmccracken, 214 chars, Tue Jul 30 20:52:29 1996
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\nTITLE: _Disney from A to Z_…
\nis the name of — you guessed it — a new encyclopedia of all things
\nDisney, written by chief Disney archivist Dave Smith. A review will
\nfollow once I’ve picked up the book.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3866, from hmccracken, 233 chars, Wed Jul 31 22:08:38 1996
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\nTITLE: More Items in \/long.messages
\nSee animation\/long.messages for two of my recent columns for
\n_Animato_ magazine: one on Sam Singer, the worst animation
\nproducer of all time, and one in praise of 8mm home-movie cartoons.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3867, from hmccracken, 1655 chars, Fri Aug 2 23:35:40 1996
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\nTITLE: Comic-shop distribution changes
\nAs reported in an Internet message from _Animato_ editor Mike Dobbs
\nin \/best.of.net, Diamond, the biggest distributor of periodicals to comic
\nbook stores, has bought its only significant competitor, Capital City.
\nThis is the latest of many changes in comic-shop distribution in recent
\nmonths, most of which came as a result of comic-book behemoth Marvel
\nComics buying its own distribution company and sidestepping the
\nindependent distributors entirely.<\/p>\n

As someone who used to deal with Diamond, Capital, and Heroes World (which
\nMarvel bought) when I published _Animato_, all this has me worried about
\nthe prospects for small publishers of comics and cartoon-related magazines
\nsuch as _Animato_. It now looks like it will be *very* hard to get your
\npublications into stores unless Diamond wants to carry them — and
\nDiamond, reasonably enough, is more interested in carrying large,
\nprofitable publications than ones which may only sell a few hundred or
\nthousand copies.<\/p>\n

Fortunately for _Animato_, it’s also carried by several mainstream
\ndistributors who deal with the big bookstore chains; it’s not nearly as
\ndependent on comic-shop sales as it was when I published it. And this
\npoints out what may eventually become one of the biggest virtues of
\npublishing on the World Wide Web — you don’t need to convince a
\ndistributor that carrying a Web publication is worth its while. Just put
\na publication up on the Web, and if it’s got a natural audience, it will find
\nit. Now all we need to do is figure out a way to make Web magazines as
\neasy to read as paper ones — I suspect that will take a *long* time.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3868, from hmccracken, 527 chars, Sun Aug 11 21:07:57 1996
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\nTITLE: Three hours a week
\nIt’s official: TV stations have to begin showing three hours of
\neducational TV for kids a week. This much-publicized mandate
\ncomes in the wake of a period in which stations were showing
\nsuch thoroughly uneducational fare as _The Jetsons_ and
\nclaiming it was educational TV. (Hey, I learned everything
\n*I* know about the future from that show.)<\/p>\n

No word on what shows will emerge from the three-hour rule, but
\nit will likely result in lots of new programming — both
\nanimated and live-action.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3869, from elfhive, 85 chars, Mon Aug 12 18:35:29 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3868.
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\n> I learned everything I know about the future<\/p>\n

Hey, it was a better future too \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3870, from hmccracken, 609 chars, Sat Aug 17 20:47:17 1996
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\nTITLE: Two new Disney books…
\nwill appear this fall. _Before the Animation Begins_, by John Canemaker, is
\na look at the inspirational artists who prepared (and prepare) rough sketches
\nsuring the studio’s earliest work at turning an idea into a full-realized
\nstory. Canemaker’s books on Winsor McCay and Felix the Cat are both terrific,
\nso I have high hopes for this volume.<\/p>\n

_Walt Disney Imagineering: A Behind the Scenes Look at Making the Magic_ is
\nabout the Disney division that has created all the rides and other attractions
\nat Disneyland, Disney World, Disneyland Tokyo, and Disneyland Paris.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3871, from hmccracken, 380 chars, Fri Aug 23 19:40:02 1996
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\nTITLE: Obituary: Al Bertino
\nAl Bertino has died in Los Angeles. Bertino, who was 84, was a
\nDisney veteran who worked as an animator on _Fantasia_ and _Pinocchio_.
\nHe later went to work designing attractions for Disneyland, and was
\ninvolved in the creation of the popular Country Bear Jamboree show
\nthere — which stars a bear named Big Al, whom Bertino based on
\nhimself.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3872, from hmccracken, 830 chars, Tue Aug 27 21:33:48 1996
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\nTITLE: Ronald Reagan: Statesman, Actor, Cartoonist
\nI just got back from a short trip to Los Angeles, during which I
\nvisited the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley.
\n(I’m a presidential library junkie — I’ve also been to the
\nKennedy, Nixon, and Carter ones.)<\/p>\n

I’ve seen several examples of Reagan’s doodles over the years —
\nhe has a pleasantly cartoony style that’s clearly inspired by
\nthe comic strips he must have enjoyed as a kid in the 1930s. But
\nthe Reagan library has the best example I’ve seen: a portrait
\nof George McManus’s Jiggs, which Reagan presented to his wife
\nNancy along with a sentimental inscription saying that Maggie
\nnever made Jiggs as happy has Nancy had made him. Whatever you
\nthink of Reagan’s politics, it’s nice to know that we’ve had
\nat least one president who was a comics fan.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3873, from hmccracken, 629 chars, Tue Aug 27 21:36:50 1996
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\nTITLE: Disney architecture
\nIf you ever find yourself in Burbank, California, be sure and drive by
\nthe Disney studios on Buena Vista Street. If you’re not a big-shot movie
\nstar or director, you may not be able to get past the guards, but you
\ncan stand outside and peer through the fences. And at least two of
\nthe buildings you’ll see are well worth peering at: the new animation
\nbuilding, a huge, 1940s-styled structure with a cone-shaped sculpture (?)
\noutside inspired by Mickey Mouse’s hat in _The Sorcerer’s Apprentice_,
\nand the big building near the front gate that’s supported by giant
\nstatues of the Seven Dwarfs.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3874, from hmccracken, 1003 chars, Wed Aug 28 21:11:52 1996
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\nTITLE: Bugs Stamps
\nI’ve only heard the following tidbit over the Internet, so I’m not
\n100% positive it’s true, but it SEEMS to be accurate: the Post
\nOffice has struck a deal with Warner Bros. to use Looney Tunes
\ncharacters in ads designed to encourage kids to collect stamps.<\/p>\n

In return, the US Post Office will release a series of stamps
\nwith Looney Tunes characters on them, starting with a Bugs
\nBunny one this December. These would be the first stamps
\nwith animation characters on them, and also the first with
\nstill-heavily merchandised characters of any sort. Walt Disney
\nhimself appeared on a stamp shortly after his death, and
\nwe got a series of comic-strip stamps last year — but they
\nwere mainly of characters from defunct or not-heavily-promoted
\nstrips.<\/p>\n

I’m in favor of classic cartoon characters appearing on stamps,
\nthough I’d rather see a series with truly great characters from
\nall studios (Mickey, Felix, Betty Boop, etc.) than one that
\nincludes only Warner Bros. characters.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3875, from lkaplan, 308 chars, Thu Aug 29 22:19:50 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3874.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nRe: Bugs Stamps
\nIt’ll be neat to see the stamps, of course, but I can’t help thinking that
\nthis is just as bad as sporting events that have the sponsor’s name before
\n(or instead of) the actual event name …<\/p>\n

How soon will it be before we see the USPS mentioned in a Spam commercial,
\nand a Spam stamp?<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3876, from sfmcnally, 65 chars, Fri Aug 30 02:32:48 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3875.
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\nBlech, who would want to lick one of _those_ stamps. \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

Seumas<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3877, from hmccracken, 207 chars, Fri Aug 30 11:16:27 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3875.
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\nRight — While I think that Bugs probably deserves a stamp (at least as
\nmuch so as James Dean!), I’m sorry it came to pass through a marketing
\ncross-promotion. Let’s hope it’s a good-looking stamp.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3878, from lkaplan, 51 chars, Fri Aug 30 18:15:34 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3876.
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\nROFL!<\/p>\n

I suppose I asked for that, didn’t I?<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3879, from hmccracken, 540 chars, Mon Sep 9 11:03:10 1996
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\nTITLE: Al Hirschfeld, Landmark
\nAl Hirschfeld, who has been the _New York Times_’s theatrical caricaturist for
\nmore than 70 (!) years, can add a new honor to his long list of distinctions:
\nhe’s probably the first cartoonist ever to be named a landmark.<\/p>\n

The New York Landmarks Conservancy, a private, non-profit organization names
\na group of prominent New Yorkers as “Living Landmarks” each year. Hirschfeld
\nis one of the honorees for 1996, joining such other Living Landmarks as
\nWalter Cronkite, Liz Smith, and Helen Gurley Brown.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3880, from hmccracken, 422 chars, Mon Sep 9 12:12:46 1996
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\nTITLE: Whole Toon is back
\nAs reported here recently, Whole toon Catalog, the indispensable mail-order
\nvendor of animation books, tapes, and related products, has returned from
\nthe dead. The new owners have mailed out a new catalog; I haven’t seen it
\nyet, but just called for a copy. For a full report, and the phone number
\nfor catalog requests, see animation\/best.of.net #281.<\/p>\n

Has anyone here gotten a copy yet?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3881, from hmccracken, 402 chars, Thu Sep 12 19:14:06 1996
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\nTITLE: Watch Out for that Tree!
\nToday’s All Things Considered program on NPR had a segment on
\na dispute between Dreamworks SKG and some L.A. environmentalists;
\nin passing, it mentioned that Disney is doing a live-action
\nfilm based on Jay Ward’s classic 1967 cartoon series _George of
\nthe Jungle_. I wonder who will play George, Fella (George’s girlfriend),
\namd Shep (George’s loyal elephant)?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3882, from hmccracken, 1016 chars, Thu Sep 12 22:42:37 1996
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\nTITLE: Warner Bros.: Together Again
\nThe FTC has approved the Time Warner-Turner merger, which means
\nit’s likely to go through.<\/p>\n

No matter how you feel about the concentration of media ownership
\nin this country, this is probbly a good thing. For decades, the
\nonwership of the Warner Bros. cartoon library has been broken up —
\nWarner sold all its pre-1948 films years ago (they eventually ended
\nup in Turner’s hands) and kept the later ones. This has meant that
\nthere have been two competing packages of Warner cartoons on TV,
\ntwo lines of Warner videos, etc. After the merger, we’ll probably
\nsee the post-1948 Warner cartoons on Turner’s cable stations —
\na positive development, since they usually treat cartoons pretty
\nwell — and perhaps we’ll see videos that mix and match the best
\nfilms from all periods.<\/p>\n

This also means that Time Warner will own both the Looney Tunes
\ncharacters and the Hanna-Barbera ones. We could end up with a TV
\nspecial teaming Bugs Bunny and Fred Flintstone — let’s hope not!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3883, from hmccracken, 910 chars, Sun Sep 15 00:24:30 1996
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\nTITLE: Disneyland II
\nNext door to Disneyland is a great big parking lot. By the year
\n2001, according to Disney’s plans, that lot will be replaced by
\nDisney’s California Adventure, a new theme park built around a
\nCalifornia theme. Visitors will get to tour a Disneyfied version
\nof Hollywood Boulevard, ride simulated hang gliders over California
\nlandscapes, and participate in other rides and attractions
\ninspired by California themes. All of this will be distinct from
\nDisneyland itself; you’l have to pay another admission to get in.<\/p>\n

Besides the theme park, the expansion plans include a new hotel,
\nas well as a shopping area. These plans seem pretty firm, but I’ve
\nreported here on several other Southern Califonia Disney expansion
\nannouncements that never resulted in anything over the years, including
\nWestcot (a western version of Disney World’s EPCOT Center) and a water
\npark in Long Beach.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3884, from hmccracken, 296 chars, Sun Sep 15 00:29:37 1996
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\nTITLE: Animation CBIX this Tuesday
\nNo special reason other than that it’s been awhile: please
\njoin me in animation\/cbix at 9pm ET this Tuesday, September 17th,
\nfor an animation conference get-together.<\/p>\n

Free copies of the new issue of _Animato_ (hot off the presses)
\nfor all attendees!<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3885, from hmccracken, 582 chars, Sun Sep 29 20:17:17 1996
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\nTITLE: Addams in the _Times_
\nToday’s _New York Times_ has an enjoyable article by
\n_New Yorker_ artist Art Spiegleman on the work of Charles
\nAddams, in connection with an ongoing, rotating exhibit
\nof Addams’ original cartoons at the New York Public Library.<\/p>\n

The only problem with the _Times_ story: It devotes a large
\namount of space to the first six panels of an Addams cartoon —
\nand the other six, which deliver the punchline, are nowhere
\nto be found. Perhaps it’s just as well that this paper
\ngenerally doesn’t run comic strips; they don’t quite seem
\nto get the point.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3886, from pwirtz, 271 chars, Mon Sep 30 00:25:36 1996
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\nTITLE: Animation and Traffic.
\nFor about a month now a local L.A. news station, KFWV has started the
\ntraffic reports with the theam muisc to The Jetsons, The Flintstones or The
\nSimsons.<\/p>\n

|||||paul|||||
\nNow on Warp 4.0
\nSouthern Calif OS\/2 Users Group
\nhttp:\/\/www.scoug.com<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3887, from hmccracken, 3311 chars, Mon Sep 30 22:04:09 1996
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\nTITLE: _The Rocky and Bullwinkle Book_
\nI’ve been waiting for a book on the Jay Ward animation studio’s TV
\ncartoons for twenty
\nyears or more — it’s just about the last major animation topic that’s
\nnever been covered at book length.<\/p>\n

_The Rocky and Bullwinkle Book_ (Bantam) is the first book on the Ward
\nstudio’s work, and while there are some very nice things about it, the
\nmore I think about it the more disappointed I am.<\/p>\n

The book’s very format is a bad omen — it’s a gigantic $50 coffee-table
\nvolume with lots of large color illustrations. Now, given that the Ward
\ncartoons were justifiably famous for their chintzy animation and lack of
\nelegant drawing (a fact discussed at length in this very book!), the
\nlavish production values are overkill.<\/p>\n

Indeed, while the book *looks* good (the designers took their styling cues
\nfrom the Ward cartoons themselves), it’s really, really padded. There are
\ncountless examples of a small picture or single sentence being given an
\nentire page, and many pages are given over to reprints of the Ward
\nstudio’s early 1960s publicity materials which, although still funny,
\ndon’t deserve nearly as much space as they get.<\/p>\n

Another large chunk of space is devoted to a complete episode guide to the
\nBullwinkle cartoons. When you get down to it, the amount of space given to
\nthe book’s primary text is remarkably small. And that’s my biggest
\ndisappointment.<\/p>\n

The text that’s there is enjoyable and informative, but it tells only a
\ntiny piece of the Ward studio’s history. You’d never know that Jay Ward
\nwas in the animation business for ten years before the premiere of _Rocky
\nand his Friends_, pioneering TV cartoons with _Crusder Rabbit_. You can
\nbarely tell that he produced a number of other excellent TV cartoons after
\n_Bullwinkle_’s demise, as well as some live-action TV shows and twenty
\nyears’ worth of enjoyable animated commercials starring Captain Crunch,
\nQuake and Quisp, and others. You even get almost no information on Dudley
\nDo-Right, Fractured Fairy Tales, and the other series that were part of
\n_Bullwinkle_.<\/p>\n

Sticklers might point out that the title _The Rocky and Bullwinkle Book_
\ndoesn’t promise anything other than information about Rocky and
\nBullwinkle, but even here the level of information is shallow. There’s no
\ndiscussion of the Bullwinkle newspaper strip by Al Kilgore (maybe the best
\nnewspaper strip ever based on an animated cartoon) or _Bowl-Winkle_, an
\nunaired Bullwinkle special produced in the early 1980s. Nor of such other
\nspin-offs as the Bullwinkle’s Family Restaurant chain, still extant in
\nCalifornia.<\/p>\n

Then there’s the fact that the book’s text is set in a bold, sans-serif
\ntypeface that’s almost impossible to read — and that absolutely none of
\nits dozens of illustrations are captioned, despite the fact that many of
\nthem really need explanation.<\/p>\n

If I sound like I’m being harsh, it’s because the Ward studio’s output is
\nsuch a niche-y subject that the existence of this book probably means we
\nwon’t see any others on the topic for many years, if at all. The
\npublication of a bad book on Disney, and there have been many, doesn’t
\nprevent us from getting other, better books. But unless _The Rocky and
\nBullwinkle Book_ is a smash, it’s almost certainly all we’ll get on the
\nwonderful Ward cartoons. They deserve better.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3888, from hmccracken, 724 chars, Tue Oct 1 00:21:18 1996
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\nTITLE: _Punch_ is back
\nAfter suspending publication for a couple of years or so,
\nthe British weekly _Punch_ is back, in a slick new format
\nbankrolled by the guy who owns Harrod’s department store
\nin London. It’s full of color cartoons, and as usual,
\nit’s so topical that an American reader like me can’t
\nfigure half of them out.<\/p>\n

As I reported here in March of last year, veteran British
\ncartoonist Bill Tidy had spearheaded a campaign to revive
\n_Punch_; I don’t know if he’s involved in running this
\nnew incarnation, but he does have a full-page strip in
\nthe issue.<\/p>\n

If you’re not sure how long _Punch_ had been published before
\nits brief period in limbo, do the math on this: The issue
\nI bought is number 7891.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3889, from lkaplan, 519 chars, Wed Oct 2 14:07:50 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3888.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nRe: _Punch_ is back
\nDo you know if it is (or will be) available at places like bookstores, or
\nis it subscription-only?<\/p>\n

>and as usual,
\n>it’s so topical that an American reader like me can’t
\n>figure half of them out.<\/p>\n

Heheheh … remember what John Cleese said about “A Fish Called Wanda” —
\n(I’m not sure if I have this exact, but …) “There are 5 jokes that
\nAmericans will understand and the British won’t, 5 jokes that the British
\nwill understand and Americans won’t, and 5 jokes that nobody will
\nunderstand.”<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3890, from hmccracken, 250 chars, Wed Oct 2 21:51:04 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3889.
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\nIt is available by subscription to U.S. residents. I know
\nthis because my father was considering subscribing, until
\nhe found out that is costs something like $550 a year.
\nPresumably that’s for airmail.<\/p>\n

On newsstands, it’s $3.50 — not bad.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3891, from lkaplan, 549 chars, Sun Oct 6 19:29:32 1996
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\nTITLE: Wallace and Gromit
\nWe just went to see “The Wallace and Gromit Show” (as it was called around
\nhere). This is the same show, I believe, that Harry mentioned several
\nmonths ago (A Close Shave, Rex the Runt, Pib and Pog, a few commercials for
\nthe British Electric Board). A good time was had by all, though
\nunfortunately not that many people knew about it, the advertising was
\nminimal.<\/p>\n

Is “A Great Day Out” (title?) available on videotape? I think that’s the
\nname of the story about Wallace and Gromit building a very fanciful
\nspaceship.<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3892, from hmccracken, 190 chars, Sun Oct 6 22:40:50 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3891.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nYup, _A Grand Day Out_ is available on video, as is _The Wrong
\nTrousers_, the second Wallace and Grommit film.<\/p>\n

what are _Rex the Runt_ and _Pib and Pog_? I’ve never heard of
\nthem.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3893, from lkaplan, 1172 chars, Mon Oct 7 17:34:27 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3892.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\n>_Rex the Runt_<\/p>\n

Rex is a dog modeled in the way that a small child would draw a dog …
\nsort of flat (the legs next to each other, that kind of thing). There were
\ntwo short films with him, one which was about dinosaurs becoming extinct,
\nthe other about a bad dream. They were much less polished than A Close
\nShave, but neat anyways.<\/p>\n

>_Pib and Pog_<\/p>\n

Pib and Pog, whom are both sort of blob shaped, are the hosts of a
\nchildren’s show, apparently. The film was about them having a bit of a
\nfight on the air, while the lady announcer (whom you never saw), speaking
\nin the typical cloying “talking to little children” style, was apparently
\noblivious to what was really going on.<\/p>\n

(Pib walks on with bucket – bucket has skull and crossbones on the side)
\n“Oh _my_, Pib, what’s _that_ you have?”
\n(Pib hides bucket from Pog … Pog keeps trying to look around Pib)
\n“Oh, Pib, it looks like Pog is going to look in your bucket!”
\n(Pog goes over, puts head in bucket, quivers a bit, gets out … eyes and
\nfacial
\nfeatures have fallen off)
\n“What was that you said, Pib? Sulphuric acid?”
\n(machine guns, cannons, and the like also)<\/p>\n

It was pretty funny, actually.<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3894, from jjanney, 120 chars, Mon Oct 7 18:00:38 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3893.
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\n> (machine guns, cannons, and the like also)<\/p>\n

As I said before, very much like some of the stuff you see on Usenet \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3895, from hmccracken, 2910 chars, Sun Oct 13 00:41:41 1996
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\nTITLE: _Tex Avery_
\nIn France, Tex Avery is the most revered of American cartoon
\ndirectors, and numerous lavish art books have been published
\nabout his work. One of these is now out in an American edition.
\n_Tex Avery_ (priced at a reasonable $34.95) is based on a
\nbook by French author Pierre Lambert, but it retains only the
\nillustrations; the text, by John Canemaker, is entirely new.<\/p>\n

Canemaker has been responsible for three of the best animation-
\nrelated books ever written — his ones on Felix the Cat, Winsor
\nMcCay, and the making of the 1970s Raggedy Ann feature are all
\ntop-notch. But I’m disappointed in his _Tex Avery_ text. There’s
\na fairly short biography, which is short on new information
\nexcept for depressing facts about Avery’s later life: his
\nson died of a drug overdose, his thirty-year marriage broke up,
\nand he developed a drinking problem. Indeed, the whole biography
\nis remarkably downbeat, painting Avery as a guy who had an
\ninferiority complex, ran out of ideas, and died a broken man.
\nAll of which may be true, but Avery was also a man who was deeply
\nloved by most (maybe all) of his colleagues, something that
\ndoesn’t come across in Canemaker’s text. (It does, however, in
\nthe prefaces by Bill Hanna and Chuck Jones.)<\/p>\n

Canemaker also supplies year-by-year looks at Avery’s work for
\nthe MGM studio, from the mid-1940s to the mid-1950s, but they’re
\nalso disappointing. For one thing, Canemaker’s writing is a bit
\nstuffy; the manic humor of Avery’s world never comes across.
\nFor another, I got the feeling that Canemaker may not be that
\nbig an Avery fan; his discussions are more like plot capsules
\nthan appreciations.<\/p>\n

What makes this book worth getting — and it *is* worth buying —
\nare its wonderful illustrations. There’s nothing on Avery’s
\nearly work at Warner Bros. (and curiously, only one photograph
\nof him, I believe), but there’s an enormous selection of materials
\nfrom his MGM films — cels, posters, layout drawings, model sheets,
\nand more. The reproduction is excellent, and if you’ve seen any
\nof these films — and maybe even if you haven’t — you’ll probably
\nchuckle as you peruse them.<\/p>\n

Overall, this book does not supercede the one other U.S. book on
\nAvery, Joe Adamson’s _Tex Avery: King of Cartoons_ (which was
\npublished in 1975 but is still in print, I think). Adamson’s
\nbook has no glossy color illustrations, but it’s otherwise
\nterrific: Adamson is a very funny writer who does a good
\njob of capturing the Avery spirit, he provides interviews with
\nAvery and several key colleagues, and his critical filmography
\nremains an essential research work. And though Avery may have
\nhad his problems, Adamson certainly finds many positive things
\nto say about Avery’s long career; you come away thinking that
\nAvery was a decent, well-loved man, whatever his personal problems.
\n(Adamson’s book, published before Avery’s death, does not discuss
\nhis family problems.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3896, from hmccracken, 937 chars, Mon Oct 14 22:03:16 1996
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\nTITLE: Jones Writes Again
\nWhen Chuck Jones published his autobiography a few years ago, he
\ntitled it _Chuck Amuck_. Hence, it sort of makes sense that his
\nsecond volume of memoirs, just out, is called _Chuck Reducks_ —
\nespecially since Daffy is on the cover.<\/p>\n

I just picked up the book and have only begun to read it, but
\nI already know that it’s beautifully designed and brimming with
\nillustrations — oftentimes two or three to the page. In fact,
\nthe vintage phtographs from Warner’s and other studios look
\nlike they’re almost worth the $26.95 price all by themselves.<\/p>\n

What does Jones write about in this second book? Looks like it’s
\nmore of the same — more memories, more analysis of his characters,
\nmore discussion of the craft of animation and art in general.
\nThat’s fine with me!<\/p>\n

At the start of the book, by the way, Jones thanks a bunch
\nof folks for their help — including our own Hugh Kenner.
\n— Harry
\nhm********@bi*.c<\/span>om<\/span><\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3897, from lkaplan, 360 chars, Tue Oct 22 09:04:58 1996
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\nTITLE: Wallace and Gromit lost, then found!
\nAccording to the BBC and the London Times, Nick Park lost the original
\n“Close Shave” Wallace and Gromit figures in a NYC cab yesterday. The
\nfigures were returned by the cab driver, who found them in his trunk and
\nthen heard a news story on the radio.<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

*no electrons were harmed in the posting of this message*<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3898, from hmccracken, 26 chars, Tue Oct 22 18:28:07 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3897.
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\nThank goodness!<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3899, from hmccracken, 369 chars, Tue Oct 22 22:13:11 1996
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\nTITLE: Oliphant in Northampton
\n_The New World Order_, an exhibit of drawings and sculpture by
\npolitical cartoonist Pat Oliphant, will be at the Words and
\nPictures cartoon museum in Northampton, Mass. from October 16th
\nto November 24th.<\/p>\n

Oliphant is one of the best draftsman left in the political cartooning
\ngame, and I’m going to try to get down to the show.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3900, from hmccracken, 520 chars, Wed Oct 23 21:08:23 1996
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\nTITLE: Ferd Johnson Obituary
\nFerd Johnson has died at the age of 90. Johnson was best known for
\nhis work on the classic _Moon Mullins_ strip; he began assisting
\nits creator, Frank Willard, in 1923, and too the strip over
\ncompletely upon Willard’s death in the late 1950s.<\/p>\n

Johnson continued to write and draw _Moon_, in later years in
\ncollaboration with his son Tom, until the strip’s cancellation in 1991 —
\nhis tenure was an incredible 68 years, with a few breaks during which he
\nworked on his own strips.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3901, from hmccracken, 688 chars, Sun Oct 27 21:35:12 1996
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\nTITLE: Jim Davis versus Norman Rockwell
\nIf anything in America is as sacred as mom and apple pie, it’s the work of
\nNorman Rockwell.<\/p>\n

Or at least I thought so, until I saw a new 1997 _Garfield_ calendar
\nthat’s built around the idea of adding Garfield to famous Rockwell
\npaintings. Generally, Garfield is shown mimicing the action of the
\npainting’s protagonist. For instance, in the well-known rockwell work
\nwhich depicts a satisfied-looking little girl sitting outside the
\nprincipal’s office with a black eye, Garfield sits bwside her on the
\nbench, equally satisfied and also sporting a shiner.<\/p>\n

I like Norman Rockwell, I tolerate _Garfield_, but I’m horrified by this
\ncalendar.<\/p>\n

– Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3902, from hmccracken, 298 chars, Sun Oct 27 21:36:45 1996
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\nTITLE: Wallace and Gromit meet Her Majesty
\nNick Park’s clay animation characters really are getting around
\nthese days. I’ve heard that Queen Elizabeth is such a fan of
\ntheir adventures that she requested, and got, a tour of Aardman
\nAnimation, the British studio that produces their films.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3903, from dgh, 106 chars, Mon Oct 28 00:25:57 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3901.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nDon’t hava a cow, man. Norman Rockwell was good, but his work isn’t sacred…<\/p>\n

,
\n|) \/\\ \\\/ | +)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3904, from hkenner, 63 chars, Mon Oct 28 18:59:12 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3903.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3903.
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\nOn the other hand, “Garfield” is neither sacred nor good.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3905, from hmccracken, 473 chars, Mon Oct 28 20:22:14 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3903.
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\nWell, I *do* have a sense of humor. Come to think of it, I’m
\na fan of _Art Afterpieces_, a wonderful 1964 book by Disney
\nanimator Ward Kimball that’s based around a similar idea —
\nKimball painted gags onto famous works of art.<\/p>\n

Maybe if you see the calendar you’ll see why it irritates me;
\nthe changes aren’t very imaginative and the whole thing has
\na sleazy feel to it. It looks like it was done to make a
\nfast buck, not as a loving tribute to Rockwell’s work.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3906, from hmccracken, 995 chars, Mon Oct 28 20:57:26 1996
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\nTITLE: The Toon Top Ten
\nThis just in from the new _Time_: Here are the 10 most popular
\ncartoon characters among six-to-11 year olds, as measured by their
\nQ-score (a scoring system that’s used to rate real-live celebrities
\nas well as animated ones):<\/p>\n

1) Timon and Pumbaa (from _The Lion King_)
\n2) Rugrats (from the Nickelodeon series)
\n3) Bugs Bunny
\n4) Mickey Mouse
\n5) and 6) (tied) Milo (from _The Mask_) and the Road Runner
\n7) The Tasmanian Devil
\n8), 9), 10) (tied) Casper, Garfield, and Snoopy<\/p>\n

If you think that today’s kids have nothing in common with their parents
\nor grandparents, take note: Six of the 10 characters are at least
\nforty-five years old. If you’d done this survey forty years ago, Bugs,
\nMickey, the Road Runner, the Tasmanian Devil, Casper, and Snoopy might
\nhave all appeared. If you’d done it fifty years ago, Mickey and Bugs, and,
\njust possibly, Casper, might have made it. And if you’d done it in 1936,
\nthere’s little doubt that Mickey Mouse would have been #1.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3907, from hmccracken, 1021 chars, Mon Nov 4 22:59:55 1996
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\nTITLE: The 100 greatest movie stars of all time…
\n…is the topic of a special issue of _Entertainment Weekly_ that’s
\nout on the stands now.<\/p>\n

Naturally, as a good cartoon fan, my immediate thought was to
\nwonder how many cartoon characters made the list. The answer?
\nZ-E-R-O.<\/p>\n

Well, to be fair, Mickey Mouse is included, sort of — he’s not
\non the top-10 list, but he does get the last page of the entire
\nmagazine to himself. It’s sort of an honorable mention.<\/p>\n

I’d say that Mick deserved to be on the list itself, along with
\nat least two other animated actors: Bugs Bunny and Felix the Cat.
\nBugs, of course, is the only movie star around who began his career
\nin the late 1930s and is about to star in a huge blockbuster film
\nin the late 1990s. Felix, by contrast, had a short career as a
\nmovie star, but he was BIG in the teens — probably as much so
\nas Chaplin. Sure, _EW_ might have had to knock Sharon Stone or
\nBruce Willis off the list to make room for these ‘toon stars, but
\nit would have been worth it.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3908, from hmccracken, 850 chars, Mon Nov 4 23:04:19 1996
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\nTITLE: Pooh Postage
\nAccording to an ad I saw in the Sunday paper, Canada has released
\na set of commemorative stamps celebrating the career of Winnie the
\nPooh. The reason why Pooh gets the honor? Apparently, the character
\ncan be traced, somehow, to a real-life bear who made his home in
\nWinnepeg.<\/p>\n

There are four stamps in the series: the first features the
\naforementioned Canadian cub, the second shows the actual stuffed
\nbear who was beloved by A.A. Milne’s son Christopher, the third
\nshows E.H. Shephard’s Pooh from Milne’s books, and the last
\nshows the Disneyfied Pooh grinning in front of the Disney World
\ncastle.<\/p>\n

For those of us who grew up on the Milne books, and who consider the
\nDisney Pooh to be a watered-down imposter, the emphasis of these stamps
\nseems all wrong — they should have ALL featured the Milne\/Shephard character.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3909, from hmccracken, 376 chars, Sat Nov 9 18:42:09 1996
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\nTITLE: The Lion President
\nThe current issue of _Time_ magazine — the election special —
\nincludes an interesting article which compares President Bill Clinton
\nto Simba, Disney’s Lion King. (I’m more fond of the comparison
\nthat Clinton once made himself: He said he was like Baby Huey,
\nbecause they were both big, fat, funny-looking guys who didn’t
\ngive up easily.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3910, from hmccracken, 280 chars, Tue Nov 12 22:32:03 1996
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\nTITLE: Animation CBIX this Saturday
\nIt’s been almost two months since our last CBIX get-together, so we’re
\noverdue for one. Please join us in animation\/CBIX at 9pm ET for our
\ntraditional chatter on a wide variety of topics related and unrelated to
\ncomics and cartoons!<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3911, from switch, 126 chars, Fri Nov 15 21:57:56 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3907.
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\nBruce Willis and Sharon Stone were listed as two of the greatest movie stars of
\nall time? What is the world coming to?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3912, from hmccracken, 228 chars, Sat Nov 16 07:03:52 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3911.
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\nWell, the list was broken down into sections for each decade.
\nWillias and Stone were deemed two of the biggest stars of
\nthe 1990s, which I guess is true. But I wonder if anyone will
\nremember them twenty years from now?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3913, from hmccracken, 552 chars, Sun Nov 24 22:21:02 1996
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\nTITLE: Live action and animation
\nToday’s _New York Times_ has an interesting article, by
\nJohn Canemaker, which discusses the boundaries between live-action
\nfilms and animated ones — and how they’ve been blurring for
\ndecades. It’s well known that Walt Disney increassingly wanted
\nhis animated films to look as realistic as possible; now his
\nstudio is releasing a live-action remake of _101 Dalmatians_.<\/p>\n

Canemaker also reports, I’m sorry to say, that Disney is
\nplannning to do more live remakes of its animated classics.
\nNext up: _Peter Pan_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3914, from hmccracken, 574 chars, Sun Nov 24 22:24:29 1996
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\nTITLE: You read it here first…
\nNever let it be said that BIX’s animation conference doesn’t
\nspot trends early on. Years ago (five or more), we began
\nnoting that the word “Dalamatian” is apparently incredibly
\nhard to spell — it gets rendered as “Dalmation” much of
\nthe time.<\/p>\n

With Disney’s live-action _101 Dalmatians_ about to come
\nout, Dalmations — er, Dalmatians — are in the news, and last week’s
\n_Entertainment Weekly_ ran an *entire* article on the confusion over the
\nword’s spelling. Apparently,even the folks at Disney have trouble getting
\nit right.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3915, from hmccracken, 914 chars, Sun Nov 24 22:29:03 1996
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\nTITLE: Bullwinkle is Back
\nFrom some time in the early 1960s through the early 1980s, one of
\nthe highlights of Macy’s Thanksgiving Day parade was its giant
\nballoon of Bullwinkle J. Moose. Eventually, the aging Bullwinkle
\nballoon was retired — I assume they don’t last forever — and
\nwas replaced by latter-day characters such as Bart Simpson and
\nGarfield.<\/p>\n

I’m pleased to report that Bullwinkle will be back this year, in
\na new balloon that also includes his friend Rocky the Flying
\nSquirrel. In fact, Macy’s appears to be getting into Bullwinkle
\nin a big way — its advertising features the friendly moose, it’s
\nselling good-looking Bullwinkle dolls in a Christmas promotion,
\nand its downtown Boston location currently has a gigantic Rocky
\nballoon towering over one of the entrances (I suspect that
\nthere may be a Bullwinkle on the other side of the building;
\nI just haven’t walked around yet to see).<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3916, from switch, 33 chars, Tue Dec 3 07:51:35 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3913.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\n>Peter Pan<\/p>\n

Aaaarrrrggghh!<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3917, from switch, 138 chars, Tue Dec 3 07:52:05 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3914.
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\nAn article in Montreal’s Gazette has them flipping back and forth between
\ncorrect and incorrect spellings — even in the headlines.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3918, from hmccracken, 309 chars, Tue Dec 3 08:58:39 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3916.
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\nI don’t think there’s anything wrong with making a new movie based directly
\non Barrie’s book — after all, Disney was far from the first to adapt it —
\nbut I have the horrible feeling that a live-action Disney _Peter Pan_
\nwould be based on the cartoon, complete with Marilyn Monroe-style Tinkerbell.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3919, from hmccracken, 1238 chars, Fri Dec 13 19:28:53 1996
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\nTITLE: RIP, Neil Reagan
\nNeil Reagan, the elder brother of former President Ronald Reagan,
\nhas died in San Diego at the age of 88. He had a long and successful
\ncareer in advertising, and never embarassed his brother by appearing
\non TV in a suite made out of beer pop-tops (as Billy Carter did) or
\naccepting a questionable loan from Howard Hughes to start a hamburger
\nchain that traded on the family name (as F. Donald Nixon did).<\/p>\n

But why am I recording Neil Reagan’s death here? Just because his
\nnickname, as a child and grownup, was Moon — after Moon Mullins,
\nthe great comic-strip character.<\/p>\n

This I learned from today’s _New York Times_, which also reports
\nthe deaths of the writer Vance Packard and Charles Hamilton, the
\nexpert on handwriting and forgeries. Hamilton wrote a wonderful
\nbook on famous forgers, the most unforgettable being “Pinny” Field,
\nson of the poet Eugene Field. Pinny, a ne’er do well type, specialized
\nin forging his dad’s signature and that of the western artist Frederic
\nRemington; sometimes he’d forge both signatures on one document.
\nHamilton’s discussion of Pinny’s career is so funny that my family
\nstill makes frequent joking references to it, years after we all
\nread the book.<\/p>\n

But I digress.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3920, from hmccracken, 390 chars, Fri Dec 13 19:30:18 1996
\nThis is a comment to message 3919.
\n————————–
\nBy the way, as I recall, Hamilton was also an expert on the
\nsignatures of Walt Disney — which is an interesting topic, since
\nDisney usually let his secretary or other studio employees sign
\nstuff for him. Most of the Disney signatures floating around were
\ndone by other hands, and Walt himself couldn’t really replicate
\nthe famous Disney signature that’s still the company’s logo.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3921, from hmccracken, 903 chars, Sat Dec 14 21:10:02 1996
\n————————–
\nTITLE: The $90 Million Man
\nHere in the BIX animation conference, we usually don’t spend that
\nmuch time paying attention to the business doings of the Walt Disney
\nCompany. For instance, we made no mention of the company’s recent
\nwranglings with the Chinese government, which was upset with
\nDisney’s involvement with a film on the Dalai Lama.<\/p>\n

However, the resignation of Michael Ovitz, who had been the CEO
\nof the company for less than a year, seems to be really big news —
\nit made the front page of the _New York Times_ two days in a row.
\nDespite having apparently failed at his job, Ovitz is said to be
\ngetitng a $90 payoff. As the _Times_ points out, this would be
\nenough money to take 6 million New Yorkers to see a movie, complete
\nwith snacks, if Ovitz wanted to do so. Presumably it’s also WAY more
\nmoney than Walt Disney ever saw in his entire career, maybe even
\nadjusted for inflation.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3922, from hmccracken, 610 chars, Sat Dec 21 22:15:51 1996
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Whole Toon *is* Back
\nI reported the return of the Whole Toon Catalog awhile ago, but
\nI only just got conclusive proof in my mailbox — the first copy
\nof the new version that I’ve seen. The new Whole Toon looks just
\nlike the late, lamented one, with a huge selection of videos, books,
\nand other cartoon-related products, including lots of stuff you
\nprobably won’t be able to find anywhere else. Featured in this
\nissue is the indispensable new _Betty Boop: The Definitive
\nCollection_ (an 8-tape set of Betty Boop cartoons).<\/p>\n

To get a copy of the catalog, call Facets Multimedia at 800\/331-6917.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3923, from hmccracken, 972 chars, Sun Dec 22 23:22:08 1996
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Recent Deaths
\nTwo recent deaths of folks with some relevance to this conference:<\/p>\n

Margaret Rey has died in Cambridge, Mass., at the age of 90.
\nAlong with her husband, the late H.A. Rey, she invented Curious
\nGeorge — the engaging monkey who has been a superstar of children’s
\nliterature for the last 50 years. George and his friend, the Man in the
\nYellow Hat, have sold more than 20 million copies of their adventures
\nover the years, have starred in TV cartoons, and have appeared on
\na wide range of merchandise. Curious George Goes to Wordsworth,
\na children’s bookstore that spotlights George, opened earlier
\nthis year in the heart of Harvard Square, not far from Mrs. Rey’s home.<\/p>\n

Irving Cohen died last week at the age of 101. Cohen was a legendary song-
\nwriter, who wrote _Tea for Two_, _Just a Gigolo_, _Swanee_ (with George
\nGershwin, in 1917 (!)), and a 1930s song with the wonderful title of
\n_What! No Mickey Mouse? What Kind of a Party is This?_<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3924, from hmccracken, 1438 chars, Mon Dec 23 23:26:33 1996
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Doonesbury Flashbacks
\nI have never counted myself as a huge Doonesbury fan, but when
\nI happened across this CD-ROM for $5.00 at a software sale
\ngoing-out-of-business sale, I couldn’t resist. And I’m glad
\nI bought _Doonesbury Flashbacks_ — it’s really very good,
\nand an exciting example of what can be done with comic
\nstrips on CD-ROM.<\/p>\n

The main attraction on the disc is a complete run of Doonesbury
\nfrom the first strip in 1970 through mid-1985 — 9,000 strips in
\nall. You browse them by topic, chronologically, or with word
\nsearches, or choose a favroite character and see how he or she
\nhas evolved throughout the years. The disc also has biographies
\nof major characters, video clips from the 1970s Doonesbury TV
\nspecial, scripts for the special and the 1980s Broadway show,
\nlots of articles about the strip, artwork from books and magazines,
\nand quite a bit more. The interface is clever, too, with lots
\nof amusing animation of Trudeau’s characters.<\/p>\n

I haven’t read all 9,000 strips yet, of course, but I’m working
\nmy way through it. So far I’m concluding that Doonesbury’s
\nbest years were its early ones. Sure, the art was scruffy, but
\nit was funny and innovative and hadn’t yet acquired the smug
\ntone it later developed.<\/p>\n

I consider my $5.00 to have been well spent. And if anyone’s
\nsmart enough to publish a similar CD-ROM of Pogo, Li’l Abner,
\nPeanuts, or Krazy Kat, I’d spend a *lot* more than five bucks
\non them.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3925, from hmccracken, 227 chars, Wed Jan 1 12:28:22 1997
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Happy new year!
\nHere’s wishing that 1997 is full of health, peace, and good cartoons
\nand comics for the members of this conference and their family and
\nfriends. Many thanks for your contributions during 1996.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3926, from hmccracken, 898 chars, Thu Jan 2 20:16:14 1997
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: The Year in Cartoons
\nLast night, PBS’s _NewsHour with Jim Lehrer_ featured a roundtable
\ndiscussion by prominent political cartoonists, including
\nDoug Marlette and Steve Kelley, reviewing the events of 1996.<\/p>\n

It was a nice segment, but they did something that always drives
\nme crazy: They flashed political cartoons on the screen and asked
\ntheir artists to explain what was going on. Naturally, this isn’t
\nfunny (is their ANY form of humor that’s amusing when described?).
\nAnd just as naturally, the cartoons don’t need explanations
\n(after all, they didn’t have any when they appeared in print).<\/p>\n

Yet whenever political cartoonists appear on TV, they treat them
\nthis way. They don’t do it to, say, Garry Trudeau or Scott Adams,
\nand they definitely don’t do it to any other sort of humorist. (“Mr.
\nYoungman, you just told us to take your wife, please. What did you mean by
\nthat?”)<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3927, from elfhive, 379 chars, Fri Jan 3 16:26:36 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3926.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nI can appreciate your point, Harry, but there aren’t too many options
\nin the interview situation you describe. You want to show the image and
\nyou don’t want the audio to die, but you can’t stray too far (e.g. so
\ntell us what your artistic influences when you were just starting out?).<\/p>\n

On the other hand, I sure wish someone would ask Trudeau to explain some
\nof his concepts \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3928, from hmccracken, 317 chars, Tue Jan 7 22:02:01 1997
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Al Eugster dies
\nSee animation\/best.of.net for former BIXen Dave Mackey’s obituary
\nof veteran animator Al Eugster. One correction to Dave’s message:
\nEugster’s career began on April Fools’ Day, 1925, when he took a
\njob as an inker at the Pat Sullivan Studio, which produced the
\nFelix the Cat cartoons.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3929, from hmccracken, 690 chars, Thu Jan 16 20:53:06 1997
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Obituary: Sheldon Leonard
\nSheldon Leonard has died, at the age of 89. Leonard was perhaps
\nthe last remaining significant cast member of the Jack Benny
\nradio show (he played “the Tout,” who was a semi-regular) and
\na movie actor for many years, usually playing tough guys.
\nHe also produced the Danny Thomas Show, The Andy Griffith Show,
\nI Spy, and The Dick Van Dyke Show. And I mention his passing
\nhere because he found time to do some cartoon voice work:
\nIn the 1950s, he portrayed a fat cat named Dodsworth — sort of a
\nproto-Garfield — in a couple of Warner Bros. cartoons, and in the 1960s
\nprovided the voice for Linus the Lion-Hearted in the TV show of the same name.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3930, from hmccracken, 502 chars, Sun Jan 26 17:26:23 1997
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Mooses on the Radio
\nThe Sunday version of National Public Radio’s _Weekend Edition_,
\nwhich is my wake-up alarm every Sunday, had a nice interview
\nthis morning with Tiffany Ward, daughter of Jay Ward. She
\ndiscussed _Bullwinkle_ with host Leigh Anne (sp?) Hansen,
\napparently a Bullwinkle fan, and there were some nice osund
\nbytes from the show. No new information for serious Bullwinkle
\nfans, but it’s always nice to see (er, hear) NPR paying
\nattention to the important things in life.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3931, from peabo, 150 chars, Tue Jan 28 00:29:07 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3927.
\n————————–
\nHmmm, I dunno … I seem to recall reading in a history of editorial cartoons
\nsomething from Herblock about the evolution of the “Nixon Nose”.<\/p>\n

peter<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3932, from hmccracken, 363 chars, Sun Feb 2 11:11:50 1997
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Garfield touts a minivan
\nJust saw a very clever TV commercial for a minivan —
\nthe Plymouth Voyager, I think — with a computer-animation
\nGarfield doll (the type with suction-cup feet). He’s
\nstuck to the window of a different car; when he sees
\nthe Plymouth at a gas station, he unsticks himself,
\nscampers over, and sticks himself to *its* window.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3933, from hmccracken, 628 chars, Thu Feb 6 22:12:57 1997
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: The Cartoon Network Comes to Arlington
\nMy hometown’s cable system has just installed a snazzy new
\nfiber-optic network and added a lot of channels. Among the
\nnew choices are the Classic Sports Network, an all-golf
\nchannel — and the Cartoon Network.<\/p>\n

I’m still not familiar with the ‘toon Network’s programming
\nlineup, but I have discovered that it shows _Bullwinkle_
\nevery night at 11:30 — a nice way to end the day — and
\nthat it shows far too much _Scooby Doo_. Oh, and it shows
\nWarner Bros. cartoons in prime time; they’re clearly a
\nstar attraction.<\/p>\n

Does anyone else here get this channel? Anyone watch it?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3934, from jgoddin, 186 chars, Fri Feb 7 23:47:07 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3933.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3933.
\n————————–
\nYes, and yes. That network and the Sci-Fi network are the
\nreasons we told our cable company to take a hike and purchased
\na big dish! You will also find the Jetsons hiding on there too.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3935, from dgh, 568 chars, Sat Feb 8 01:06:12 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3933.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3933.
\n————————–
\nWe got it in my area when they dropped MTV, Fox-32 (a Chicago affiliate),
\nand the “local origination” channel, shuffled some of the stations around,
\nand added Discovery Animal Planet, PLEX, and Cartoon Network.<\/p>\n

I watch WAY TOO MUCH Cartoon Network and Cartoon Network plays WAY TOO MUCH
\nScooby Doo and Cartoon Planet (that excecrable Space Ghost “talk show”)!<\/p>\n

I used to turn the TV off if there was nothing worth watching, but now I
\nswitch to the Cartoon Network instead. Can you say “serious addiction,”
\nboys and girls? I knew you could!
\n,
\n|) \/\\ \\\/ | +)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3936, from dgh, 87 chars, Mon Feb 10 00:30:52 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3933.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\n_The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show_ appears to have moved to 11:00 pm.
\n,
\n|) \/\\ \\\/ | +)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3937, from hmccracken, 338 chars, Tue Feb 18 21:16:37 1997
\n————————–
\nTITLE: It’s Been Quiet Here…
\nAnyone seen any good animation lately? Like maybe any of
\nthe Oscar nominees for best animated short? (I don’t
\nhave the names of the films, but I’ll find them.)<\/p>\n

I do know that _The Line King_, the excellent documentary
\non caricaturist Al Hirschfeld, was nominated for best
\ndocumentary. Great news.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3938, from hmccracken, 1729 chars, Sat Feb 22 10:11:31 1997
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Maurice Noble News
\nNews from Maurice Noble, the great animation designer who
\nbegan his career more than sixty years ago working on
\nSilly Symphonies for Disney, then went on to create the
\nsettings for most of Chuck Jones’s greatest Warner Bros.
\ncartoons (_What’s Opera, Doc?_, _Duck Dodgers_, _How the
\nGrinch Stole Christmas_, etc.):<\/p>\n

* At 3pm yesterday, he finished work on the background for
\na new Marvin Martian limited-edition cel — a Jones-Noble
\ncollaboration — which will be sold at the Warner Bros.
\nStudio Stores.<\/p>\n

* Noble had been working as a conceptual artist at
\nTurner Animation; when Turner was acquired by Time
\nWarner, the animation department was shut down, but
\nWarner was sensible enough to keep Maurice on in *its*
\nanimation department. So once again, Noble is working
\non Warner Bros. cartoons, including _The Iron Giant_,
\na proposed feature.<\/p>\n

* He’s also doing some work for Chuck Jones Productions,
\nwhich, as reported in a message here a few weeks ago,
\nmay become a casualty of thee Time Warner-Turner merger,
\nbut is at the moment finishing up some of its projects
\nand looking for outside financing.<\/p>\n

* Besides that, Maurice is financing, out of his own
\npocket, a test film for a proposed series called
\nNoble Tales, which would be a series of modern
\nversions of fables from around the world.<\/p>\n

* He’s also lecturing quite frequently, and will
\nsoon be flying to Northern California to talk to
\nthe artists at Pixar, which is working on _Bugs_,
\na follow-up to _Toy Story_.<\/p>\n

As that work schedule suggests, Maurice hasn’t only
\nnot slowed down (he’s in his late 80s), he’s probably
\nbusier than ever! Not bad for one of the few animation
\nartists who began his career in the 1930s and is still
\nat it.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3939, from hmccracken, 454 chars, Sat Feb 22 10:13:39 1997
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Faster than a speeding violin…
\nNational Public Radio’s Wekkend Edition show had a report
\nthis morning on Metropolis Symphony, a piece of classical
\nmusic by Michael Dougherty that’s about none other than the Man of Steel
\n— Superman. (Dougherty specializes in pop-culture symphonies: He’s also
\nwritten ones about Elvis and _I Love Lucy_.)<\/p>\n

The brief clips of Metropolis Symphony I heard sounded interesting – the
\nwork is out on CD now.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3940, from hmccracken, 1284 chars, Sun Feb 23 21:01:22 1997
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Disney in the _Times_
\nToday’s _New York Times_ has an interesting article on an
\ninteresting topic: Walt Disney, the Disney company, and the
\nfuture of technology. It’s prompted by the new, redone Tomorrowland
\nat Disney World, which makes no attempt to predict the future —
\nrather, it’s inspired by Jules Verne, Buck Rogers, and other
\nclassic, optimistic views of things to come. The article speculates
\non the reasons for this — maybe it’s because utopian views are
\nharder to come by these days, or because today’s cutting-edge
\ntechnology is less glamorous than, say, moon travel was in its
\nday.<\/p>\n

The article goes on to point out that Walt Disney himself was
\na great popularizer of technology — the Disney TV show in the
\n1950s did some excellent episodes on space travel with the help
\nof Werner Von Braun, for instance. One of Walt’s last projects
\nwas EPCOT, which he saw as a real, prototypical city of the
\nfuture; by the time the Disney company got around to building it,
\nit had become a rather bland, World’s Fair-like series of exhibits.
\nAs the article rightly points out, much of EPCOT has dated badly
\nin the fifteen years since it opened — more so than some other
\nDisneyland and Disney World rides that have gone on for thirty or
\nforty years with few changes.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3941, from jgoddin, 147 chars, Wed Feb 26 01:47:16 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3940.
\n————————–
\nI also saw where Disney and Pixar have signed an agreement for
\n5 more feature-length animated movies started by Toy Story over
\nthe next few years.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3942, from hmccracken, 338 chars, Thu Feb 27 22:20:23 1997
\n————————–
\nTITLE: CBIXes every Sunday in March
\nLong ago, the animation conference had a weekly CBIX session
\nthat was a great opportunity to get together and discuss
\ncomics, cartoons, and other fun topics. For the month of
\nMarch, we’ll revive the tradition.<\/p>\n

Please join us this Sunday at 9pm ET for the first of our
\nmonth of Sunday CBIXes!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3943, from hmccracken, 493 chars, Fri Feb 28 19:12:25 1997
\n————————–
\nTITLE: More Comics Classics
\nI reported here recently on a symphony about Superman; today’s
\nNew York Times brings news a new one about Charles M. Schulz’s
\nPeanuts characters. (I’ve misplaced my newspaper and have
\nforgotten the name of the composer; it’s a woman composer who
\nwrote the work after Peppermint Patty made an approving
\ncomment about her in a Peanuts strip.)<\/p>\n

Naturally, an entire movement of the symphony is devoted to
\nSchroeder. the strip’s Beethoven-worshipping pianist.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3944, from hmccracken, 381 chars, Sun Mar 2 16:22:38 1997
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Obituary: David Doyle
\nActor David Doyle has died at the age of 67. Doyle was best known
\nfor playing the role of Bosley on _Charlie’s Angels_, but also
\nhad a long-running job in animation, as the voice of the grandfather
\nin Nickelodeon’s _Rugrats_ cartoon series. I think that _Rugrats_
\nis still in production, so producer Klasky-Csupo may need to recast
\nthe voice.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3945, from hmccracken, 141 chars, Sun Mar 2 16:23:18 1997
\n————————–
\nTITLE: CBIX reminder
\nPlease join us at 9pm ET tonight for the first of weekly Sunday-
\nnight CBIXes in March! Hope to see you there.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3946, from dgh, 252 chars, Wed Mar 5 01:59:19 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3936.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nI finally flipped past the Cartoon Network between 11 and 11:30 pm on a
\nweekday without hitting a commercial and there were Rocky and Bullwinkle.
\nPreviously, I’d only seen them on Sunday night, when they are on at 11:30.
\nMea Culpa.
\n,
\n|) \/\\ \\\/ | +)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3947, from hmccracken, 272 chars, Wed Mar 5 09:07:08 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3946.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nNo mea culpa expected, David, but a small correction: R+B are on
\nweeknights at 11:30 and Sundays at 11.<\/p>\n

It’s an important distinction for me: If they were on at 11
\nevery night, I’d almost always watch them. At 11:30, it’s a
\ntoss-up between them and Ted Koppel.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3948, from dgh, 244 chars, Thu Mar 6 00:26:05 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3947.
\n————————–
\n>R+B weeknights 11:30, Sundays 11:00
\nThat’s what I *meant* to say (because I had originally said that I thought
\nthat they had moved to 11 weeknights) but it came out backwards. (I’ve got
\nto stop staying up so late!)<\/p>\n

,
\n|) \/\\ \\\/ | +)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3949, from hmccracken, 894 chars, Sat Mar 8 15:34:30 1997
\n————————–
\nTITLE: _A Sketchbook: Bambi_…
\n…is the name of the newest Disney art book to be published
\nby Hyperion, Disney’s book-publishing arm. As the name suggests,
\nit’s a collection of sketches that were made during the production
\nof _Bambi_ — apparently the first in a series of such books
\ncovering different Disney films.<\/p>\n

The art is wonderful, but the book is far from perfect: The $30 price
\nseems stiff considering its limited size and lack of color. None of the
\nindividual pieces of art are credited to the artists, and the overall
\ncredits in the back have at least one glaring mistake — they credit
\nMaurice Noble as having been a supervising director for _Bambi_. (Noble
\nwas an inspirational artist, and was never an animator at Disney or
\nanywhere else to my knowledge.)<\/p>\n

Criticisms aside, I’m looking forward to future books in this serious–
\none on _Pinocchio_ could be a treat.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3950, from hmccracken, 573 chars, Sat Mar 8 15:37:45 1997
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Kids, Don’t Try This at Home
\nA rather scary article in the _New York Times_ this week on excessive
\nwarning labels on consumer products reports that a Batman costume
\ncurrently being sold carries a label warning the purchaser that
\nwearing the Batman cape does not actually allow one to fly.<\/p>\n

Of course, even a casual Batman fan could tell you that Batman can’t
\nfly, so it would be pretty silly to assume that a Batman costume
\nwoukd let you do so. I could have told you that at the age of two,
\nwhen I was a rabid fan of the _Batman_ TV series with Adam West.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3951, from hmccracken, 133 chars, Sat Mar 8 15:38:29 1997
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Don’t Forget…
\nPlease join us for a comics\/animation CBIX this Sunday night at
\n9pm ET, and every Sunday this month.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3952, from jdow, 62 chars, Sun Mar 9 03:03:23 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3950.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3950.
\n————————–
\nWull – you can’t use that cape as an paraglider either.
\n{O.O}<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3953, from lkaplan, 780 chars, Sun Mar 9 08:02:23 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3950.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nRe: Kids, Don’t Try This at Home
\n>A rather scary article in the _New York Times_ this week on excessive
\n>warning labels on consumer products reports that a Batman costume
\n>currently being sold carries a label warning the purchaser that
\n>wearing the Batman cape does not actually allow one to fly.<\/p>\n

Maybe the label makes the cape more realistic … after all, everything
\n_else_ on the Batman TV show had labels \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

Seriously, that _is_ ridiculous … I wonder if somebody actually tried to
\nsue after their kid fell off a roof wearing the costume, or the company’s
\nlawyers have just gone off the deep end.<\/p>\n

I’m surprised that the Saturday-morning WB cartoons (Bugs Bunny, etc.)
\ndon’t carry a warning about violence (or do they? I haven’t had a chance to
\nwatch them lately).<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3954, from hmccracken, 544 chars, Sun Mar 9 17:31:39 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3953.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nApparently, bizarrely obvious warning messages are now very common
\non consumer products. The reason, of course, is that juries are
\ngranting large payments to consumers who suffer ill fates after
\ndoing tremendously stupid things with products that they’ve bought.<\/p>\n

In the case of the Batman costume’s warning, I guess the manufacturer
\nenvisioned some overeager lad donning the costume and then leaping
\nfrom a rooftop. One always hears stories of that sort, usually
\ninvolving Superman suits, but ss far as I know, they’re urban
\nlegends.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3955, from ddsnell, 791 chars, Wed Mar 12 02:30:01 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3954.
\n————————–
\n[hmccracken on 9-Mar-1997]<\/p>\n

|
\n| Apparently, bizarrely obvious warning messages are now very common
\n| on consumer products.
\n|<\/p>\n

Yup, I’ve seen a few of those. One of my favorites was (and still
\nis, I think) found on the back of a box of frozen fish fillets — I’ve
\nforgotten the brand. Right there, on the back of the box, in all caps,
\nboldface, it sez: “CAUTION. PRODUCT MAY BE HOT.” Really? It’s just
\nspent half an hour in a 400 degree F oven, and you say it _may_ be
\nhot??? Geeze. Well, I suppose if the person cooking them forgot to
\nturn on the oven… (Actually, I said something else the first time I
\nsaw it, but Bixie Bluenose would have sixteen fits and a litter of
\nlizards if I repeated it here. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

It is also a truism that stupidity is its own reward.<\/p>\n

–dds<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3956, from hmccracken, 281 chars, Fri Mar 14 15:06:52 1997
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\nTITLE: CBIX on Monday This Week
\nWe’ll continue our special March weekly CBIXes next week, but with
\na slightly different schedule. Instead of holding the event at 9pm
\nET on Sunday, March 16th, we’ll gather at 9pm on the next day,
\nMonday, March 17th. Hope to see you there.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3957, from jgoddin, 43 chars, Fri Mar 14 23:52:24 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3956.
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\nA good way to spend St. Patrick’s evening.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3958, from hmccracken, 99 chars, Mon Mar 17 09:29:57 1997
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\nTITLE: Don’t forget..
\nWe’ll be having a CBIX event tonight at 9pm ET. Come one, come all!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3959, from hmccracken, 1331 chars, Mon Mar 17 09:36:39 1997
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\nTITLE: If you find yourself in Boston, on or near
\nCommonwealth Avenue, stop in at Boston University’s Mugar Library.
\nTwo small-but-interesting, cartoon-related exhibits are on display.
\nThe first, “Dalmatians before Disney,” concerns Dodie Smith, the
\nauthor of _101 Dalmatians_, and includes a page of her original
\nmanuscript, original illustrations from the book, and other items.
\nThe second display is on the life and work of F.B. Opper, the legendary
\ncomic-strip and political cartoonist who created Happy Hooligan,
\nAlphonse and Gaston, Maud the mule, and other newspaper superstars
\nof the early part of this century. This display contains some original
\nOpper cartoons, the manucript of an article he wrote late in life on
\nhis work, and other materials.<\/p>\n

The largest display at the library right now isn’t on comics, but
\nit’s not all that distant in topic: It’s about mystery novels and movies.
\nThe library is open to the public.<\/p>\n

The BU library’s special collections department is home to an impressive
\nassortment of materials relating to American cartooning — among the
\nartists who have deposited their work there are Harold Gray (45 years’
\nworth of Little Orphan Annie originals), Hank Ketcham (Dennis the Menace),
\nand Ferd Johnson (Moon Mullins). All of these are available to anyone
\nengaging in relevant research.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3960, from hmccracken, 1027 chars, Sat Mar 22 22:48:25 1997
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\nTITLE: Oscar-nominated cartoons
\nSee animation\/press.releases for information on tomorrow night’s show of
\nOscar-nominated and -winning cartoons, which will air on the Cartoon
\nNetwork. It sounds like a good program, although it’s certainly far from
\nall-inclusive. It’s not surprising that the 1930s aren’t represented —
\nDisney practically monopolized the awards in those years, and the Disney
\nlibrary is about the only major cartoon library that the Cartoon Network
\ndoesn’t have the rights to.<\/p>\n

I am surprised, however, by how many MGM cartoons (which the ‘Toon Network
\nDOES have) aren’t in the show. Tom and Jerry won the Oscar many times in
\nthe 1940s, yet only three T&J shorts are included. (Remarkably, _The Cat
\nConcerto_, probably the greatest of all T&J cartoons, isn’t represented.) And
\nTex Avery’s wonderful _Blitz Wolf_ was nominated, but it’s not in the show.<\/p>\n

Still, I plant to watch — this is the fifth year the channel has done
\nthis, but the first in which I get the channel as part of my cable lineup.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3961, from hmccracken, 114 chars, Sat Mar 22 22:49:00 1997
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\nTITLE: Don’t Forget…
\nOur next-to-last Sunday CBIX for March will be tomorrow at 9pm ET.
\nSee you there!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3962, from hmccracken, 446 chars, Mon Mar 24 22:33:55 1997
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\nTITLE: And the Oscar Goes To…
\nTyon Montgomery and Thomas Stellmach for _Quest_. That’s the
\nOscar for best animated short film, of course. The film appears
\nto be a stop-motion cartoon about a little man made out of sand;
\nhas anyone here seen it? (Or seen any of the other nominees, which include
\nRichard Condie’s computer-animared _La Salla_, Peter Lord’s _Wat’s
\nPig_, and a film whose name I can’t read in my hastily-scrawled
\nnotes?)<\/p>\n

–Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3963, from jjanney, 385 chars, Tue Mar 25 00:21:13 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3962.
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\nI’ve seen _Wat’s Pig_. Twin medieval princes are separated at birth.
\nOne of them is raised as a lord and turns out to be pretty nasty. The
\nother ends up being raised by a friendly pig. I think it uses
\nstop-motion clay animation, but I’m not sure. The story isn’t really
\nas interesting as it sounds, IMO, and the animation, while not bad,
\ndidn’t really strike me as award-winning.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3964, from hmccracken, 149 chars, Sun Mar 30 16:44:20 1997
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\nTITLE: Easter CBIX Tonight
\nPlease join us tonight at 9pm ET for the last of of our weekly
\nCBIX events in March. And happy Easter, everyone!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3965, from hmccracken, 1029 chars, Tue Apr 1 16:45:31 1997
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\nTITLE: April Fools the Comics\/Cartoons Way
\nThe Cartoon Network has been showing the same cartoon — Tex
\nAvery’s _Happy Go Nutty_, starring Screwy Squirrel — over and
\nover again today in stead of its regular programming. This is
\nwith the explnation that Screwy has taken over the channel and
\ni srefusing to show anything else. (Of course, it only dawned on
\nme that it was intentional half-way into the third airing I saw —
\nbefore that, I thought it was a technical glitch of some sort.)<\/p>\n

Then on the comics pages, a bunch of cartoonists decided to swap
\njobs today: Jim (_Garfield_) David draws today’s _Blondie_,
\nBil (_The Family Circus_) Keane does _Dilbert_, Mort
\n(_Beetle Bailey_) Walker does _Shoe_, and so forth. I almost
\nmissed this because of an April Fools joke played by Mother Nature:
\nBoston had its first substanial snowstorm of the year today,
\nand newspapers are hard to find today. I eventually discovered that
\nUnited Media’s World Wide Web site — www.unitedmedia.com —
\nhas all the April Fools’ strips.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3966, from hmccracken, 206 chars, Sat Apr 5 21:33:09 1997
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: CBIX again this Sunday night
\nBy popular demand, we’ll have another animation CBIX session
\nthis Sunday night, beginning at 9pm ET. (We usually stay arounbd
\nuntil about 11pm.) Please join us!
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3967, from jgoddin, 125 chars, Sun Apr 6 00:18:39 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3966.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nEST? or EDT? When does the rest of the country go on Daylight
\nUseless Time?? (Here in AZ we don’t do that reset clocks bit.)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3968, from hmccracken, 123 chars, Sun Apr 6 11:30:29 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3967.
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\nThat’s right, it can get very confusing. We went on daylight savings
\ntime this morning, so it’s 9pm EST, I guess.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3969, from hmccracken, 874 chars, Tue Apr 8 17:59:23 1997
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\nTITLE: Rube Goldberg Lives!
\nOr at least his spirit does, at Purdue University, which holds
\na Robe Goldberg invention contest each year. The goal, of course,
\nis to create a real-world replica of one of the crazy, hopelessly
\ncomplex inventions that Rube drew for decades.<\/p>\n

As reported in yesterday’s New York Times, the challenge in this
\nyear’s contest, the tenth annual one, was to build a compact disc
\nchanger. The winning invention accomplished this, in part, this way:
\n“A block falls, opening a valve, which releases compressed air from
\na Scuba tank to rotate a fan, which operates gears, driving a
\nwater wheel, which carries water to a trough, where it runs down an
\naqueduct into a bucket that eventually gets so heavy it falls.”
\nThat’s just part of the 35-step process.<\/p>\n

Rube, who died in 1970, wouldn’t know what a compact disc was, but
\nI think he’d be proud.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3970, from hmccracken, 687 chars, Tue Apr 8 18:02:15 1997
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\nTITLE: The Return of Eugene the Jeep
\nA current Chrysler ad, unexpectedly, features a large drawing of
\neugene the Jeep, the wonderful, magical dog-like creaure from the
\ngolden age of E.C. Segar’s _Thimble Theater_ comic strip (the
\nproper name of the strip that starred Popeye). Chrysler is the
\ncurrent manufacturer of Jeeps — the trucks, not the magical
\ncreatures — and the ad discusses the theory that Jeeps (the
\nvehicles) were named after Jeeps (the magical creatures). It seems
\nto find this theory unlikely, but doesn’t explain why.<\/p>\n

Anyhow, it’s good to see Eugene — especially since the Popeye
\nstrip, which is still running, hardly appears in any U.S. newspapers
\nat all.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3971, from hmccracken, 881 chars, Sun Apr 27 21:05:33 1997
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\nTITLE: Cartoon Characters Make the Lists
\nTwo magazines have recently devoted cover stories to lists —
\n_Entertainment Weekly’s “Funniest People Alive” and
\nTime’s “Most Influential People” — and in both cases,
\nat least onbe cartoon character made the grade.<\/p>\n

_ET_’s list included Homer Simpson, Beavis, and Butt-Head,
\nbut not, alas, any classic cartoon comedian. (Surely, Bugs
\nBunny and Daffy Duck are among the greatest comedians of
\nthe century, and they’re still with us.) _Time_, not
\nsurprisingly, says that Dilbert is among the most influential
\nfolks of the year.<\/p>\n

For some reason, such lists always name cartoon characters, never
\nthe creators of the characters in question. So let’s give credit
\nwhere credit is due: Matt Groening invented Homer Simpson,
\nMike Judge is the father of Beavis and Butt-Head, and Scott
\nAdams, of course, is the cartoonist behind Dilbert.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3972, from hmccracken, 1385 chars, Mon May 5 01:13:13 1997
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\nTITLE: _Serious Business_…
\nis the title of a new book about American animation by Stefan Kanfer,
\na long-time _Time_ contributor whose work I’ve followed. I didn’t know,
\nhowever, that Kanfer is a long-time cartoon buff. His book is an attempt
\nto put animation into the context of 20th-century American history and
\nculture, and for the most part, I’m enjoying it so far. (I haven’t
\nfinished it so far, so consider this a review-in-progress.)<\/p>\n

Kanfer is an entertaining writer, and though he seems to rely mostly on
\npublished sources rather than original research, he puts a fresh spin on
\nthings. I’m a little concerned by some of his sources — he draws on
\n_Disney’s World_ and _Walt Disney: Hollywood’s Dark Prince_, two Disney
\nhatchet jobs that make Walt out to be a fairly loathsome anti-Semite. (I’m
\nnot saying that Walt WASN’T an anti-Semite, but so much of what these
\nbooks has to say is demonstrably false that I’m not sure what to think.)
\nThe book goes all the way from the earliest animation experiments to the
\npresent; I’ve gotten up to the mid-1940s so far.<\/p>\n

Kanfer’s association with _Time_ is interesting; it sometimes seems that
\nalmost everyone who’s written for that magazine in the last thirty years
\nis a cartoon fan — Richard Schickel, Richard Corliss, and Jay Cocks, who
\nwrote the first mainstream appreciation of Chuck Jones, are all _Time_
\nstalwarts.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3973, from hmccracken, 408 chars, Fri May 9 22:25:38 1997
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\nTITLE: Cartoon books in _Time_
\nThe current issue of _Time_ has a nice roundup of recent books
\nabout animation — Chuck Jones’s _Chuck Reducks_, John
\nCanemaker’s _Tex Avery_ and _Before the Animation Begins_,
\nStefan Kanfer’s _Serious Business_, and others. The point
\nof the review, which I’m not sure I agree with: The great
\ncartoons may have been great to watch, but they weren’t much fun to make.<\/p>\n

– Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3975, from hmccracken, 314 chars, Tue May 13 20:18:04 1997
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\nTITLE: The Reuben Awards,
\ncartooning’s equivalents of the Oscars, have been awarded.
\nSee animation\/best.of.net #298 for the winners. The
\nReuben itself — the award for the cartoonist of the
\nyear — went to Sergio Aragones, best known for his
\nwork for _Mad_ magazine and his _Groo the Warrior_
\ncomic book.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3976, from jgoddin, 377 chars, Wed May 14 22:23:24 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3975.
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\nSergio is a sweetie too. IMHO of course. I had the chance to
\nwatch him work at San Diego Comic Con a couple of years ago.
\nHe is amazing! Closest thing to perpetual motion I’ve seen on
\n2 feet. And he works very rapidly too. He was on stage creating
\na special donation piece of artwork for the charity auction
\nfor a total of almost 20 minutes. And he is friendly, not
\nphony too.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3977, from hmccracken, 794 chars, Mon May 26 18:53:11 1997
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\nTITLE: The Disney Version Revisited
\nRichard Schickel’s _The Disney Version_, first published in 1967
\n(shortly after Walt Disney’s death), is back in print. One of the
\nfirst critical books about Walt and the studio (though more recent
\nworks have been far more critical), Schickel’s book has long
\nhad a bad reputation among cartoon fans, partially because of its
\nnegative tone, and partially because of its many factual errors.
\n(Schickel got no cooperation from the studio.)<\/p>\n

The new edition doesn’t have a section that appeared in an earlier
\nreissue of about ten years ago that covered the studio’s history in
\nthe post-Walt days. It does, however, have an interesting new intro-
\nduction by Schickel, in which he says that he was too harsh on
\nWalt and the early Disney films (at least).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3978, from hmccracken, 656 chars, Fri May 30 00:17:40 1997
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\nTITLE: Joe Camel, Criminal?
\nThe FTC, it seems, has it in for Joe Camel, the controversial spokescamel
\nfor Camel cigarettes. As you probably know, the sunglasses-wearing Joe is
\nthought to be designed to appeal to young smokers and would-be smokers (a
\nsurvey supposedly showed that little kids recognize him more readily than
\nthey do Mickey Mouse). RJ Reynolds, manufacturer of Camels, denies all of,
\ncourse.<\/p>\n

Anyhow, according to today’s _New York Times_, the FTC now says that Joe
\nis illegal. It’ll be interesting to see what happens — Joe could wind up
\nbeing the first cartoon character ever to face the death penalty,
\nmetaphorically speaking.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3979, from jgoddin, 324 chars, Sat May 31 13:39:17 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3978.
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\nHere in AZ there is a rumor that ‘Young Country” radio station,
\nKMLE is owned by the cigarette folks. Everything they give their
\ncall information you hear ‘Camel Country’. This is not a station
\nI listen to, but that is the rumor that was floating around work
\njust last week. If true, I guess it is aimed at subliminals. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3980, from lkaplan, 250 chars, Sun Jun 1 20:59:04 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3979.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\n>KMLE<\/p>\n

According to the FCC engineering database, they’re owned by an outfit named
\n“Shamrock Broadcasting, Inc.” You might want to check around further to see
\nwho owns _them_ (InfoTrac might have the data, I haven’t checked up on the
\nweb yet).<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3981, from jgoddin, 197 chars, Tue Jun 3 22:29:11 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3980.
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\nThanks Len! I never thought of checking ownership via the web.
\nI research many things at work via the Web, but there I’m only
\nallowed to access computer related items so I never thought of it.
\n\ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3982, from pwirtz, 369 chars, Sat Jun 14 20:04:43 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3978.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nRe: Joe Camel, Criminal?
\n>Anyhow, according to today’s _New York Times_, the FTC now says that Joe
\n>is illegal. It’ll be interesting to see what happens — Joe could wind up
\n>being the first cartoon character ever to face the death penalty,
\n>metaphorically speaking.
\n>– Harry
\nWhile Joe may be dipped by the law. The Frito Bandito was an early victum
\nof the PC police.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3983, from lkaplan, 244 chars, Mon Jun 16 06:03:57 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3982.
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\nRe: Joe Camel, Criminal?
\n>The Frito Bandito was an early victum of the PC police.<\/p>\n

What about the 2 Mexican mice in the WB cartoons? One was very energetic,
\nthe other very lazy … (this is embarrassing, I can’t think of their names
\nnow)<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3984, from jdow, 92 chars, Mon Jun 16 21:04:19 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3983.
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\nSpeedy Gonzales was the energetic one. The other’s name escapes me if I ever
\nknew it.
\n{^_^}<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3985, from jgoddin, 168 chars, Mon Jun 16 23:32:09 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3982.
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\nJoe has already been involved in a law suit. Seems the creator
\nof the character felt he wasn’t properly paid per contract and
\nsued. I didn’t hear the outcome though.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3986, from pwirtz, 286 chars, Tue Jun 17 12:35:55 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3983.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nRe: Joe Camel, Criminal?
\n>What about the 2 Mexican mice in the WB cartoons? One was very energetic,
\n>the other very lazy … (this is embarrassing, I can’t think of their names
\n>now)
\n>
\n>-Len<\/p>\n

Speedy Gonzales was verrry verrry fast. In some of his cartoons he some
\nsesta loving friends.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3987, from hmccracken, 143 chars, Mon Jun 23 20:52:57 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3986.
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\nSpeedy’s cousin, who appeared in at least one cartoon, was Slowpoke
\nRodruigez — I have a drinking glass with a fine portrait of him.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3988, from hmccracken, 858 chars, Fri Jun 27 23:25:50 1997
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\nTITLE: Walt’s Choo Choo
\nIn September, a company called Pentrex Publishing will release
\na book on what would seem to be a very limited topic: Walt
\nDisney’s interest in trains. Actually, it’s an intereesting
\nsubject — Disney spent huge amounts of time working on his
\nhome model train layout, which snaked around his propoerty and
\ncould be ridden (you sat astride it). He was one of several
\nlong-time Disney employees who were train nuts — animator
\nWard Kimball eventually purchased several REAL locomotics
\nand installed them at his home, along with enough track to
\npilot them around. The Donald Duck cartoon _Donald’s Toy Train_ was
\ninspired by the railroading bug that hit the studio.<\/p>\n

_Walt Disney’s Railroad Story_ will have a foreword by Mrs.
\nDisney (who’s still with us); it’s by Michael Broggie, whose
\nfather was a long-time Disney employee.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3989, from hmccracken, 1322 chars, Fri Jun 27 23:31:44 1997
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\nTITLE: Daffy on Fifth
\nThe 9-story (!) Warner Bros. Studio Store on Fifth Avenue in New
\nYork is home to Marvin the Martian in the Third Dimension, a
\nWarner Bros. cartoon that was produced entirely with computers.
\nYou can see the 12-minute film for a reasonable $2.00, refundable with
\nany purchase at the store.<\/p>\n

The cartoon is a sort of a sequel to Chuck Jones’s classic _Duck
\nDodgers in the 24 1\/2th Century_, and involves more space combat
\nbetween Marvin and Daffy Duck. Though done with computers, its
\ncreators have tried to simulate a hand-drawn look; though it
\nlooks a bit stiff, it’s an interesting effect. Voice-work is
\nwell done, and I’ve forgotten so far to mention that the movie
\nis in 3-D (I guess it didn’t make much of an impact on me,
\nmaybe because it’s tough for me to fit the 3-D spectacles over
\nmy own eyeglasses).<\/p>\n

The only problem is that the cartoon is not particularly funny,
\nand they’ve made the fatal mistake of showing the brilliant
\n_Duck Dodgers_ as a warm-up — so as the new film begins, you’re
\naware of just how funny the premise CAN be. The new cartoon
\nwas produced for a German theme park, and while I can’t say that
\nit’s terribly entertaining, I’m glad it made its way to the U.S.
\nIt’s worth seeing if you’re in New York (I don’t know if it
\nplays at any other Warner Bros. stores).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3990, from lkaplan, 659 chars, Sat Jun 28 09:08:02 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3988.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nRe: Walt’s Choo Choo
\n>He was one of several
\n>long-time Disney employees who were train nuts — animator
\n>Ward Kimball eventually purchased several REAL locomotics
\n>and installed them at his home, along with enough track to
\n>pilot them around.<\/p>\n

Yes, the Grizzly Flats RR was pretty amazing (there was an article
\npublished in one of the model RR magazines many years ago) … I’ve heard
\nthat the locomotives and cars have been donated to a group that will run
\nthem again, also.<\/p>\n

John Olson, who is involved w\/theme park design, is quite a model
\nrailroader – he and his wife have authored many articles on small layouts.<\/p>\n

Thanks for the info on the book!<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3991, from hmccracken, 302 chars, Sat Jun 28 19:42:49 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3990.
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Twenty years or more ago, Kimball showed off his trains on a
\nwonderful episode of the old _Tomorrow show. I’ve heard that
\nhe’s donating them, too, but as of a couple of months ago,
\nhe still has ’em — he had an open house (or should that be
\nopen train?) that a friend of mine was invited to.
\n– Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3992, from lkaplan, 372 chars, Sun Jun 29 19:29:08 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3991.
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\n>as of a couple of months ago, he still has ’em<\/p>\n

He’s still alive? I thought he died last year … (I’ll bet that was a
\nwonderful open house, too … our club meetings are a lot of fun (and there
\nwere lots of smiles when people heard about the Walt Disney book, also))<\/p>\n

Ward Kimball was the model for Jiminy Cricket, wasn’t he? The eyes and
\nsmile seem very similar.<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3993, from hmccracken, 663 chars, Mon Jun 30 01:03:20 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3992.
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\nYes, Ward is still alive, thank goodness. One of an
\never-shrinking number of major animation figures of
\nthw 1930s who are still with us.
\nOthers include his fellow Disney animators Marc
\nDavs, Frank
\nThomas, and Ollie Johnston; Warner\/
\nDisney designer Maurice Noble* and, of course, Chuck
\nJones. Mae Questel, the voice of Betty Boop, is also
\nalive, but not well.<\/p>\n

I don’t knbow that Jiminy was inspire by Ward, but
\nWard animated the cricket, so anby similarity you
\nse is probably not coincidental. Just as many of
\nChuck Jones’s characters look rather like Jones.<\/p>\n

What club do you belong to?<\/p>\n

(Apologies for typos — I typed this on my palmtop
\ncomputer.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3994, from hmccracken, 519 chars, Thu Jul 3 22:50:30 1997
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\nTITLE: RIP, Jimmy Stewart
\nYou’ve undoubtedly heard that Jimmy Stewart has died, and may have
\nread some eloquent tributes to the man who was one of America’s
\nfavorite actors from the 1930s to the present. The reason why
\nI bring his passing up here: his last role was in a cartoon.
\nStewart provided the voice of Wylie Burp, a canine cowboy,
\nin the 1991 animated feature _An American Tail II: Fievel Goes
\nWest_. It was not one his more memorable roles, but it was nice
\nto hear that endearing voice one last time.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3995, from lkaplan, 533 chars, Thu Jul 17 11:50:59 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3993.
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\n>What club do you belong to?<\/p>\n

The Central NY Division\/Northeast Region of the NMRA (National Model
\nRailroad Association) – it’s actually a very casual group, we don’t have a
\nlayout, but visit different homes and places every meeting (for instance,
\nlast weekend we met at a local train show). And, unlike some clubs I’ve
\nheard of, they’re encouraging young members – my 12-year-old son was
\nwelcomed with open arms.<\/p>\n

(sorry for the delay answering your question – I posted a mental yellow
\nsticky to myself, but it came unglued!)<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3996, from hmccracken, 609 chars, Thu Jul 31 22:37:38 1997
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\nTITLE: What’s New, Mr. Magoo?
\nToday’s _Wall Street Journal_ has a lengthy and excellent article
\nabout Mr. Magoo. The reason for the article is the planned Disney
\nlive-action movie about the character, which is getting flack
\nfrom organizations that don’t find much humor in vision problems.
\nHowever, the article digs way back, looking at Magoo’s
\ncareer from this first appearance in 1950 to the present,
\nand how changing social attitudes have shaped the character.
\nThe author of the story really did his (or her? I forget) job,
\ninterviewing a bunch of folks who worked on the original UPA
\ncartoons.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3997, from hmccracken, 325 chars, Mon Aug 11 21:58:22 1997
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Hell freezes over, sort of
\nOther than death and taxes, one of the few certainties in life
\nused to be that the _New York Times_ would never run syndicated
\ncomic strips. It still doesn’t in print, but the _Times_’ Web page
\nnow carries _Dilbert_ and _Doonesbury_. (A pretty unimaginative
\npick of strips, that.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3998, from jdow, 55 chars, Tue Aug 12 00:11:45 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3997.
\nThere are additional comments to message 3997.
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\n9 Chickweed Ln is WAY too highclass for the NYT.
\n{^_-}<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #3999, from samiller, 245 chars, Tue Aug 12 08:34:56 1997
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Animation authoring info
\nI’m looking for a BIX conference or NN group on technical aspects & tools
\nfor PC\/Internet animation. Any suggestions? Thanks.
\nScott
\nBe wary of strong drink. It may make
\nyou shoot at tax collectors — and miss!<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4000, from switch, 781 chars, Wed Aug 13 22:34:52 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3999.
\n————————–
\n> TITLE: Animation authoring info
\n> I’m looking for a BIX conference or NN group on technical aspects &
\n> tools for PC\/Internet animation. Any suggestions? Thanks.<\/p>\n

Locally, I would suggest animation\/bit.by.bit or animation\/multimedia
\n(which is linked to multimedia\/animation). I wouldn’t mind discussing
\nit here, as I’m becoming increasingly interested in doing animation on
\nthe desktop (recently wrote a longish article on just that topic for The
\nComputer Paper here in Canada), and I’m spending more time on BIX these
\ndays.<\/p>\n

On Usenet, I would suggest comp.graphics.animation, and maybe
\nrec.arts.animation, though the latter is more for fans than animators.<\/p>\n

You might also try the Animate mailing list, which you can join by
\ne-mailing an*************@pe**.c<\/span>om<\/span>.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4001, from jgoddin, 108 chars, Fri Aug 15 00:52:02 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 3997.
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\nAnd if you are feeling nostalgic, Yahoo has Calvin and Hobbes
\nreprints of the strip which began in Nov. ’85<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4002, from jdow, 186 chars, Fri Sep 5 17:15:22 1997
\n————————–
\nTITLE: OK – who knows the Wiley Coyote animators?
\nAsk them “What would happen if Wiley tried to run down the RoadRunner on
\nthe Information Highway using his AcmeWindows computer?”
\n{O,o}<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4003, from hmccracken, 1302 chars, Sun Sep 14 21:30:34 1997
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Magazines Worth Reading<\/p>\n

Two new animation-related magazines that are worth seeking out:<\/p>\n

_Hogan’s Alley_ #4 is finally here — the magazine is supposed to be
\na quarterly, but I think that it’s been well over a year since the
\nlast issue. Fortunately, this publication is bursting with interesting
\narticles; it’s probably the best general-interest magazine on
\ncartoons (strips, books, animation, and editorial cartooning) currently
\nbeing published. The new 144-page issue has an interview with
\nChip Dunham (creator of the _Overboard_ newspaper strip, a talk
\nwith the woman who was named the “Sweetest Face in the World” in
\na 1950s Li’l Abner contest, reprints of _Stumble Inn_ (a strip by
\nGeorge (Krazy Kat) Herriman, an interview with Harvey (American
\nSplendor) Pekar, and tons of interesting columns among other things.<\/p>\n

_Animation Planet_ #1 is a new animation fanzine out of Springfield,
\nMassachusetts. You say that you thought _Animato_ was published there?
\nWell, it is — its editor and publisher recently parted ways, and the
\neditor, Mike Dobbs, has launched his own magazine. The 56-page
\ndebut issue has an article on _Hercules_, one on HBO’s _Little Lulu_
\ncartoons, a bunch of features about voice actors, an article on
\nMAD TV’s animation sequences, lots of reviews, and more.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4004, from hmccracken, 290 chars, Thu Sep 18 20:35:30 1997
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Happy Birthday, Chuck!
\nOn Sunday, Chuck Jones will turn 85. For anyone that lovres cartoons,
\nthat’s cause for celebration. (And yes, I’m wishing him happy birthday
\na few days in advance, but I’m in good company — Warner Bros.
\nthew him a big birthday bash yesterday night.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4005, from hmccracken, 450 chars, Thu Sep 18 20:38:15 1997
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Speaking of Jones…
\nMaurice Noble, the layout designer who’s worked with Jones for more than
\nforty years (including on _What’s Opera, Doc?_, _How the Grinch Stole
\nChristmas_, and several other masterpieces) has signed a contract
\nto design a production for an opera company in Southern California.
\nThis is Maurice’s first opera (and he certainly waited long enough
\nto get around to it –he’s older than Chuck Jones by several years.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4006, from hmccracken, 285 chars, Fri Sep 19 20:03:26 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 4004.
\nThere are additional comments to message 4004.
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\nAnd I’ve just heard that ABC News named Mr. Jones as its Person of
\nthe Week tonight, to mark his birthday. A classy gesture. Especially
\nconsidering that ABC is now part of Disney, arch-rival of most of
\nthe companies Jones worked for during his long (and still-active)
\ncareer.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4007, from dgh, 269 chars, Fri Sep 19 21:07:57 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 4004.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nABC World News Tonight named Chuck Jones “Person of the Week”. They had an
\ninterview with him, clips from Looney Toons, a clip from Grinch, showed some
\nof the work he’s currently doing, and showed clips from the birthday bash at
\nWarner Bros.
\n,
\n|) \/\\ \\\/ | +)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4008, from hkenner, 94 chars, Fri Sep 19 22:09:23 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 4007.
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\nDid anyone by any chance make a video copy of the Chuck Jones segment
\non tonight’s ABC News??<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4009, from switch, 560 chars, Sun Sep 21 21:42:06 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 4003.
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\nAlso on the shelves is the long-delayed fps #12 — I’ve just been told that it
\nhas finally seen the light of day, though I’ve yet to receive my copies.<\/p>\n

This is also a good a time as any to mention that I am no longer the managing
\neditor of fps. Financial reality just sort of got in the way. The magazine is
\nstill being published by Pawn Press, but they have as yet as to name a new editor
\n(the remainder of fps #14 and the any subsequent issues until such time will be
\nhandled by an editorial collective of five people).<\/p>\n

Oh well, it was a good run.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4010, from hmccracken, 856 chars, Mon Oct 13 19:25:04 1997
\n————————–
\nTITLE: _Warner Bros. Animation Art_…
\nis the title of a gigantic new art book that’s just been published.
\nIt’s very impressive looking, but after flipping through it at
\nthe bookstore, I decided that I didn’t need to spend my $75 bucks
\non it just yet. That’s because it turned out to be mainly
\nabout the limited-edition Warner’s cels that have been produced
\nover the last fifteen years or so — dozens and dozens of them,
\nfrom Chuck Jones, Friz Freleng, the Bob Clampett famiy, and others.
\nThose pieces are designed to be sold to collectors at high prices,
\nand really don’t have that much to do with the real art that was
\ndrawn for the vintage cartoons of the 1930s, 40s, and 50s.<\/p>\n

The new book’s text, however, is by Jerry Beck and Will Friedwald —
\nauthors of the indispenable _Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies_ —
\nso I’d expect that it’s good.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4011, from hmccracken, 693 chars, Tue Oct 14 21:54:10 1997
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\nTITLE: Support Your Local Comics Museum
\nAn interesting but depressing article in the current
\n_Comics Journal_ reports that two of the major U.S. comics
\nmuseums — San Francisco’s Comic Art Museum and Northampton,
\nMass.’s Words and Pictures Museum — are having money problems
\nand could be forced to close their doors. The biggest such
\nmuseum, the International Museum of Cartoon Art, in Baca
\nRaton, has also seen attendance figures drop.<\/p>\n

I’ll try to do my part — I live within driving distance of Words
\nand Pictures and visit San Francsico frequently, so I’ll see if
\nI can get to two out of the three museums. (I’ve been to all
\nthree in the past, and they’re well worth visiting.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4012, from hmccracken, 1003 chars, Tue Oct 14 21:59:53 1997
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\nTITLE: Mickey Mouse Has Written his Autobiography
\nI’m surprised it took him this long, but Mr. Mouse — who will turn
\n70 years old in about a year — has penned an autobiography.
\nNo, it’s not a tell-all confessional sort of thing — it’s
\n_Mickey Mouse My Life in Pictures_, and it’s just what the title
\nsounds like. Naturally, it’s from Disney Press.<\/p>\n

The book gives a prominent credit to one Russell Schroeder (I’d
\nguess that he was Mickey’s ghost, but I can’t believe that the
\nMouse would stoop so low). Schroeder has, however, written
\n_Walt Disney: His Life in Pictures_, a similar picture book
\nabout Disney. Both books are in stores now.<\/p>\n

Also new from Disney (its Hyperion subsidiary, to be exact) is
\n_Disney’s Wonderful World of TV_, a thick, encyclopedia-like
\nvolume on Disney’s TV programming from the 1950s to the
\npresent. It’s by Bill Cotter, and I first heard of the project
\nabout fifteen years ago — so while I don’t know if it’s any good,
\nI do know that it’s not a quickie job.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4013, from hmccracken, 502 chars, Wed Oct 29 22:55:16 1997
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\nTITLE: Don Messick RIP
\nDon Messick has died. Along with the late Daws Butler, Messick
\nwas responsible for doing most of the major voices for early
\nHanna-Barbera cartoons — he was Scooby Doo, boo boo Bear,
\nRanger Smith, Astro, and many others. His career continued until
\nrecent years (for instance, he played Hampton Pig on Tiny Toon
\nAdventures_). A great talent who cannot be replaced. (Although
\nI’m sure he *will* be replaced as new shows and commercials featuring
\nhis characters are made.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4014, from hmccracken, 828 chars, Mon Nov 3 20:09:40 1997
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Calling Maurice Sendak…
\nHere in Boston — and throughout New England and New York, I’d
\nguess — we’re being bombarded with Bell Atlantic ads that
\nuse the characters from Maurice Sendak’s classic children’s
\nbook _Where the Wild Things Are_. The TV ads are animated, and are done in a
\nrespectable imitation of Sendak’s style, although I still can’t figure out
\nwhat they have to do with telephone service.<\/p>\n

This isn’t the first time that Sendak has been translated into animation.
\nIn the 1970s, a TV special called _Really Rosie_ was based on his work;
\nthen in the 1980s, Disney contemplated making a feature out of _Wild
\nThings_ and produced a short test film that used a combination of
\nhand-drawn characters and computer backgrounds. (It was directed by John
\nLasseter, later to become famous for _Toy Story_).
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4015, from hmccracken, 711 chars, Fri Nov 28 23:12:32 1997
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Dilbert the Shill
\nNo doubt about it: Dilbert is the most over-exposed cartoon character
\nsince Garfield in his heyday. The latest example — he’s doing TV ads for
\nthe Office Depot office-supply chain. Each ad is a animated Dilbert gag
\nthat segues into an Office Depot plug. The animation’s quite faithful to
\nScott Adams’ crude style, although the voices almost have too much
\nexpression (in my head, I hear the strip’s dialog being spoken in an
\nextremely deadpan style).<\/p>\n

Anyhow, the commercials give us an idea of what an animated _Dilbert_ TV
\nseries might look like. I haven’t heard any news lately about the planned
\n_Dilbert_ series, which (last I knew) was going to be a live-action program.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4016, from hmccracken, 688 chars, Fri Nov 28 23:15:38 1997
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\nTITLE: Attack of the Giant Cartoon Characters
\nWhen watching the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade yesterday, I was
\nsurprised by how few giant cartoon-character balloons seemed to be in the
\nparade. Today, the New York Times explained what was going on: It was
\nextremely windy in New York city yesterday, which meant that many of the
\nballoons didn’t make it to Times Square (where the parade was televised
\nfrom), and some didn’t make it into the parade at all. Numerous balloons
\nwere damaged (the paper has a front-page photo of a very
\ndistressed-looking Pink Panther), and some spectators were hurt, I’m sorry
\nto report, when a gust of wind caused the Cat in the Hat to go berserk.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4017, from dgh, 227 chars, Sat Nov 29 03:47:41 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 4015.
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\nHave you seen “Working” starring Fred Savage? (It used to be on Fridays,
\nbut seems to have disappeared). It seemed to me to be the logical outcome
\nof attempting to adapt Dilbert to TV by committee…
\n,
\n|) \/\\ \\\/ | +)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4018, from hmccracken, 1080 chars, Fri Dec 5 23:19:11 1997
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Scrooge on the ECC
\nThe European newspaper _The European_ has Donald Duck on the
\ncover this week — turns out it’s illustrating a story about
\nthe Euro, the upcoming pan-European currency. To tout the
\nEuro’s benefits, the Italian government got together with
\nDisney and published a comic book, in which Uncle Scrooge
\nMcDuck is initially wary of the Euro but comes to realize
\nthat it’s a wonderful thing.<\/p>\n

This seems odd on several points. First, everyone knows
\nthat Uncle Scrooge lives in Duckburg, Calisota, which is
\nright here in the U.S. He shouldn’t need to worry about
\nthe Euro too much one way or the other. Second, Scrooge
\nseems like the type who’d be dubious about anything
\nthat smacked of world government, and we know that he’s
\nvery supersitious about money — he zealously protects his
\nold number one dime, which he credits as being the good luck
\nthat led to his subsequent fortune. The guy’s a hidebound
\nrugged individualist. And besides, he’d shudder at the idea
\nof having to convert his three cubic acres of money into a
\ndifferent currency altogether.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4019, from jdow, 85 chars, Fri Dec 5 23:27:49 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 4018.
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\nScrooge is a multinational concern. As such he is concerned about the Euro….
\n{^_-}<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4020, from hmccracken, 1163 chars, Tue Dec 9 21:06:07 1997
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: _The New Yorker_ goes cartoon crazy
\nThe current issue of _The New Yorker_ is a special cartoon one.
\nIt’s mostly devoted to cartoons (with a large quantity of both
\nold and new ones), has several features about the magazine’s
\ncartoons and cartoonists (including a nifty group photograph),
\nand also includes several articles related to cartoons in general,
\nincluding one on William Hogarth, another on Thos. Nast —
\nand a short piece about Chuck Jones that begins with a reference
\nto our own Hugh Kenner.<\/p>\n

The issue’s not perfect — the cover is a somewhat tacky collage of work
\nby several generations of cartoonists, and some of the most brilliant of
\nthe magazine’s artists get short shrift, including Sam Cobean and Helen
\nHokinson. There are also a few ads in the form of fake New Yorker
\ncartoons, which is an awful idea. (On the other hand, there are two
\nmarvelous ads drawn by Al Hirschfeld; not sure if this is just a
\ncoincidence, since he’s not generally associated with the magazine.)
\nAll in all, though, it’s a good issue. I hope it becomes an annual
\ntradition — heck, I wouldn’t complain if they went to an all-cartoon
\nformat EVERY issue.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4021, from hmccracken, 613 chars, Tue Dec 9 21:08:44 1997
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: 24 Hours of Disney
\nThe Disney company has announced plans for Toon Disney, a 24-hour
\nall-cartoon channel that it will launch in April. Apparently,
\nit’ll only be available to a relatively small number of cable-TV
\nsubscribers whose cable companies have adopted the latest and
\ngreatest converter boxes.<\/p>\n

No word on what the channel’s lineup will be. I’d love to think
\nthat it’ll show lots of early black-and-white Mickey Mouse and
\nSilly Symphony cartoons, but it’s a better bet that it will
\nrely heavily on the many mediocre TV series that the company
\nhas produced over the last fifteen years or so.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4022, from hmccracken, 382 chars, Tue Dec 9 21:10:44 1997
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\nTITLE: Sufferin’ Succotash!
\nMore 1998 cartoon news: The U.S. Post Office will release its
\nsecond stamp honoring an animated cartoon character, or two of them,
\nactually — Tweety and Sylvester. You’ll recall that the P.O. made a deal
\nwith Warner Bros. to give the studio’s characters stamps in return for the
\nright to use Bugs Bunny as a spokesrabbit for stamp collecting.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4023, from hkenner, 361 chars, Wed Dec 10 18:08:44 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 4020.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nAnd Hugh Kenner hastens to point out that despite the New Yorker’s
\nrepution for scrupulous accuracy, they’re hopelessly confused here.
\nI’d like to know what Chuck Jones makes of their statement that in
\nan interview with them he referred to a remark of mine about “a
\nflurry of drawings.” I made it perfectly clear in my book that the
\nphrase came from him.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4024, from hmccracken, 523 chars, Wed Dec 10 19:05:30 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 4023.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nThat’s what I thought, Hugh, but I was afraid to bring it up.
\nI assumed that I was was one misremembering things, not
\nthe famously-accurate New Yorker.<\/p>\n

This despite the fact that when my mother and father were
\ndiscussed at some length in the magazine fifteen years
\nago (in an excerpt from one of Bill Buckley’s memoirs)
\nthey called to fact-check all the pertinent details —
\nbut somehow let a reference to my mom as being a “beautiful
\nOriental lady” through. She’s beautiful, and she’s a lady,
\nbut not Oriental.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4025, from hkenner, 184 chars, Fri Dec 12 15:37:12 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 4024.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nHarry, it’s in WFB’s *Overdrive*, Doubleday, 1983, pp. 235-6, where
\nshe’s still not only beautiful but oriental. Bill is still 6n MCI
\nMail should you ever want to contact him.
\n–Hugh<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4026, from hmccracken, 401 chars, Sat Dec 13 02:36:50 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 4025.
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\nShe’s a beautiful Oriental lady in the hardcover and a beautiful
\nlady of unspecified ethnic background in the paperback reprint.
\nI think that Bill Buckley thought she looked exotic (which she does), and
\nsomehow translated that into being Oriental as he remembered her years later.
\nBut for awhile, a lot of my father’s friends thought that
\nhe had had a first wife that they didn’t know about.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4027, from hmccracken, 939 chars, Wed Dec 17 22:08:50 1997
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Deaths
\nJust heard on the BBC radio news that Lillian Disney — Walt’s widow —
\nhas died. She was 98, and had remarried years ago. Lily Disney, history
\ntells us, gave Mickey Mouse his name — Walt wanted to call him
\nMortimer, but she thought that sounded pretentious. In recent years,
\nMrs. Disney gave $250 million to the city of Los Angeles towards
\na new concert hall to be named after her late husband; the project’s
\nbeen an on-again, off-again affair, but looks like it may eventually
\nbe built.<\/p>\n

Stubby Kaye, too, has passed away. He’ll probably be best remembered
\nfor having played Nicely Nicely in the Broadway and film versions of
\n_Guys and Dolls_, but two of his major credits were cartoon-related:
\nhe played Marryin’ Sam in the late 1950s movie musical of _Li’l
\nAbner_ (and maybe on stage, too — I’m not sure), and he was perfectly
\ncast as Marvin Acme, the head of a novelty company, in _Who Framed
\nRoger Rabbit_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4028, from hmccracken, 277 chars, Wed Dec 17 22:10:22 1997
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Weird News from Japan
\nCNN is reporting that an episode of _Pocket Monsters_, a very
\npopulark kids’ TV cartoon in Japan, somehow caused dozens or
\nhundreds of young viewers to go into seizures, apparently from
\ncolors that flashed on-screen in a particular way.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4029, from jjanney, 217 chars, Thu Dec 18 00:20:31 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 4027.
\nThere are additional comments to message 4027.
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\nYes, Stubby Kaye was in the stage version of Li’l Abner, too. Vol 22
\nof the Kitchen Sink collections has a long article by Mark Evanier on
\nthe musical. Stubby’s real first name was apparently known only to
\nhimself.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4030, from hkenner, 149 chars, Thu Dec 18 11:58:06 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 4027.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\n>>>,,,Lillian Disney “had remarried years ago” …
\nFunny, neither the NYTimes nor the Associated Press obituary mentions
\na second marriage. …
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4031, from lkaplan, 740 chars, Thu Dec 18 15:22:50 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 4028.
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\nRe: Weird News from Japan
\n>apparently from colors that flashed on-screen in a particular way.<\/p>\n

There’s an article about it in today’s NY Times, also (Thursday 12\/18). As
\nI understand it, the Japanese use 2 techniques to create “flashing” – one
\nwith alternating red and blue flashes, and one somehow related to flashing
\nbeams of light (I’m not sure I understand that one).<\/p>\n

Why the artists would even consider using a flashing red is beyond me …
\nred light flashing in a certain frequency range has been a known problem
\nfor some epilectics (sp?) for many years. I think Nintendo had trouble with
\nan early game for this reason, in fact – if I recall correctly, it was
\nwithdrawn from the market before it was released by distributors.<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4032, from hmccracken, 1070 chars, Thu Dec 18 23:24:53 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 4030.
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\nWell, Hugh, I noticed the lack of a mention of husband #2 in the _Times_
\nobit, too. After seeing your mesage, I went to my library to
\nverify it, and for a while I thought I had been imagining things.
\nI checked four biographies of Walt Disney — no mention of Mrs.
\nDisney remarrying. I then went on the World Wide Web and read
\nseveral obituaries, including a very long one in the _Los Angeles
\nTimes_. No mention.<\/p>\n

Finally, I found the Reuters obituary, which says the following:
\n“Three years after Walt Disney died, his widow married John Truyens. She
\nwas widowed again in 1981.”<\/p>\n

How very peculiar that this went largely unmentioned. Maybe there’s
\nsomething in the American psyche that resists the idea that the widow of
\na one-of-a-kind original such as Walt would ever fall in love with someone
\nelse. Then again, the Times_ obit of Stubby Kaye makes no mention of Roger
\nRabbit or anything else he did in the past thirty years.<\/p>\n

I did make a mistake in my note about Mrs. Disney’s passing: she gave $50
\nmillion, not $250 million, towards the concert hall.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4033, from switch, 430 chars, Tue Dec 23 21:24:51 1997
\nThis is a comment to message 4021.
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\nI was finally able to find the information on this… (my office is in
\ncomplete disarray these days; it only seems to get worse when I try to
\norganize it).<\/p>\n

Much of the programming will come from Disney’s existing TV animation
\nproperties, but there will be showinf early Disney shorts, much like
\nThe Disney Channel’s Vault Disney show. About a quarter of the channel’s
\ncontent will be created specifically for Toon Disney.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4034, from hkenner, 353 chars, Sun Jan 4 21:22:26 1998
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Video wanted
\nA few years ago, Warner Bros. issued as number of cartoon videos, all
\nin blue boxes, commemorating a major anniversary. One was called
\nSALUTE TO CHUCK JONES. It is really cream-of-the-crop. And now my
\ncopy has mysteriously disappeared. Can someone out there supply me
\nwith a copy of yours? Expenses, of course, to be paid.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4035, from switch, 179 chars, Tue Jan 6 22:40:03 1998
\nThis is a comment to message 4034.
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\nYou’ll have a tough time finding that one, Hugh — it’s been out of, er,
\nprint for the longest time. I think you can find some of the shorts on
\nvarious other collections.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4036, from hmccracken, 796 chars, Tue Jan 6 22:56:58 1998
\n————————–
\nTITLE: Al Hirschfeld…
\n…is about to celebrate his seventieth (repeat, seventieth) anniversary
\nas the _New York Times_’ theatrical artist. An even more amazing record
\nwhen you consider that he’d been drawing for another New York paper for a
\ncouple of years before that.<\/p>\n

Just think — when Hirschfeld began his stint (during the Coolidge
\nadministration):<\/p>\n

* Mickey Mouse hadn’t been invented yet
\n* Charles M. Schulz — who’s been drawing _Peanuts_ for forty-seven years
\n— was five years old
\n* Winsor McCay was still active
\n* Dick Tracy, Blondie, Terry and the Pirates, and Popeye had yet to make
\ntheir first appearances.<\/p>\n

Viva Al! Though he may not produce quite as many published drawings as he
\ndid a few years ago, he’s still quite prolofic, and his work is as
\nwonderful as ever.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4037, from hkenner, 138 chars, Wed Jan 7 11:18:08 1998
\nThis is a comment to message 4035.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nI don’t understand. How does the fact that it’s been out of print
\naffect the possibility that some BIXen may have their own copies?
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4038, from hmccracken, 1047 chars, Thu Jan 8 23:02:30 1998
\n————————–
\nTITLE: RIP, Mae Questel
\nI’m sorry to report that Mae Questel has died in Manhattan, at the age
\nof 89. Miss Questel was one of the legendary voice artists in cartoon
\nhistory. While she wasn’t the first performer to provide a speaking
\nvoice for Betty Boop or Olive Oyl, she had by far the longest and most
\nmemorable tenure on both characters. (In fact, she did Olive’s voice for
\nsomething like thirty years, for several different studios, and reprised
\nBetty’s voice in 1988 for “Who Framed Roger Rabbit.”)<\/p>\n

Mae’s best known for her work on Fleischer cartoons in the 1930s, but
\nshe also worked steasily at Famous Studios in the 1940s and 1950s (she
\ndid the voice of Little Audrey), and did some TV work. In recent decades,
\nshe did more live-action acting than voice work — she was “Aunt Bluebell”
\nin those 1970s paper-towel commercials, and played Woody Allen’s mother
\nin the film “New York Stories.”<\/p>\n

Other performers will no doubt carry on most of Mae Questel’s high-profile
\nvoices, but, like Mel Blance, she can never truly be replaced.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4039, from switch, 166 chars, Sat Jan 10 16:48:22 1998
\nThis is a comment to message 4037.
\n————————–
\nOh! Silly me. I made a quick note to myself to check on the availability
\nof the tape, and forgot about the original context.<\/p>\n

In my case, no tape. Oh, well.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4040, from hmccracken, 1071 chars, Tue Jan 20 21:50:41 1998
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\nTITLE: _Disney’s World_…
\nis the name of a new biography of Walt Disney, and while I’m only
\nabout halfway through it, I like it very much so far. Author
\nSteven Watts is a bona-fide historian rather than a Hollywood
\njournalist or poison-pen type, and this is a very serious, mostly
\nwell=written work which tries to look at Walt Disney and his studio
\nin the context of their times — times which both influenced the
\nstudio’s work and, increasingly, were influenced by Disney themselves.<\/p>\n

Watts appears to have done a lot of research, and the book is much
\nmore accurate than most Disney tomes. If I’ve got any complaints,
\nthe biggest is that he seems to have read everything ever written about
\nthe studio, and feels obligated to quote about half of what he’s
\nread. More Watts and less quotes would have been even better. Also,
\nlike a lot of books these days, this one could have stood more editing.
\nWatts repeats himself from time to time and tells the same anecdote
\nmore than once. Still, this is one of the best books about animation
\nI’ve read in several years.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4041, from hmccracken, 585 chars, Sun Jan 25 10:45:10 1998
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\nTITLE: _The Comics Journal_ #200…
\nhas just been published. (Love it or hate it, the Journal is one
\nof the longest-lived publications about comics — it’s been around
\nfor more than twenty years now.)<\/p>\n

Issue #200 costs $12.95 and is the size of a small phone book, and
\nthe main attraction is a 50-page (!) interview with Charles Schulz —
\na fascinating talk on his 47 years with Charlie Brown and friends.
\nIt’s a great read. The issue also has a large section of Schulz
\ntributes, the complete text of Jules Feiffer’s classic book
\n_The Great Comic Book Heroes_, and lots more.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4042, from hmccracken, 489 chars, Fri Feb 6 20:26:59 1998
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\nTITLE: Toy Story II
\nDisney and Pixar were planning to release a sequel to _Toy Story_ directly
\nto video. But the film (which has been in production for more than a
\nyear) must be turning out well — they’ve decided to release it to
\ntheaters, for Christmas of 1998.<\/p>\n

The plot involves a mad toy collector who kidnames Woody and Buzz Lightyear.
\nAll the voice actors from the original film are back for this outing,
\nincluding Tom Hanks, Tim Allen, and Don “Mr. Potato Head” Rickles.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4043, from hmccracken, 558 chars, Tue Mar 17 22:45:29 1998
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Cathy on the radio
\nCathy, the star of the comic strip of the same name, is doing
\nradio spots for J.C. Penney’s these days. Logically enough, I
\nguess, she has to introduce herself as “Cathy from the comic
\nstrip” — since we can’t see her, it’s not obvious who she is.
\nThey did, however, do a nice job of finding an appropriate voice,
\nand by the end of the commercial she’s been indecisive about
\nclothing and shouted “Arrgh!” a time or two. That’s Cathy, all
\nright.<\/p>\n

Wonder when the last time was that a comics character did
\nradio commercials?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4044, from samiller, 207 chars, Wed Mar 18 10:39:50 1998
\nThis is a comment to message 4043.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nRe: Cathy on the radio
\n>Wonder when the last time was that a comics character did
\n>radio commercials?
\nWell, politicians do them regularly ;>)
\nScott
\nJust think of Bill Gates as “the O.J. Simpson of Software”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4045, from hmccracken, 451 chars, Wed Mar 18 11:53:12 1998
\nThis is a comment to message 4044.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nSpeaking of Bill Gates and Cathy (and how often do they come up in
\nthe same conversation?): Microsoft is going to introduce a product
\ncalled Plus 98, an updated version of the Plus CD-ROM of Windows 95
\nadd-ons, but designed for Windows 98. It will include desktop themes
\n(collections of icons, sounds, wallpaper, etc.) that let you dress
\nup Windows 98 with a variety of comic-strip themes: Peanuts,
\nDoonesbury, Foxtrot, Garfield…and Cathy.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4046, from dgh, 90 chars, Thu Mar 19 01:17:06 1998
\nThis is a comment to message 4044.
\n————————–
\nHe said “comics character”, not “comical character”… <-.o>
\n,
\n|) \/\\ \\\/ | +)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4047, from samiller, 492 chars, Thu Mar 19 09:16:58 1998
\nThis is a comment to message 4045.
\n————————–
\n> It will include desktop themes
\n>(collections of icons, sounds, wallpaper, etc.) that let you dress
\n>up Windows 98 with a variety of comic-strip themes
\nAlthough that _does_ sound neat, my personal preference would be for
\nMicrosoft to direct the resources they expended for licensing fees for such
\nfrills towards producing a (more) competent operating system (I’m obviously
\nassuming they’re selling this product at a loss) :>(
\nScott
\nJust think of Bill Gates as “the O.J. Simpson of Software”<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4048, from switch, 135 chars, Mon Mar 23 22:19:43 1998
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: And the Oscar goes to…
\nA few minutes ago, the Oscar for Best Animated Short went to Geri’s Game.
\nHas anyone seen this?<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4049, from hmccracken, 477 chars, Tue Mar 24 21:49:50 1998
\nThis is a comment to message 4048.
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\nI haven’t seen Geri’s Game, but I’ve heard good things about it.
\nIt’s a Pixar film, and they say it’s a breakthrough in terms of
\nshowing a semi-realistic human being in computer animation.
\n(Geri’s an elderly Russian man.)<\/p>\n

This marks Pixar’s third Oscar — the first two went to John Lasseter’s
\nLuxo Jr. and Tin Toy — which places them pretty high up in the list
\nof animation studios who have won multiple Oscars. (Disney and MGM
\nprobably are #1 and 2 in that area.)
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4050, from hshubs, 122 chars, Tue Mar 24 22:47:56 1998
\nThis is a comment to message 4049.
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\nIs there a way to see this short, other than hoping it will show up at
\none of the film festivals they’ve submitted it to?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4051, from switch, 115 chars, Wed Apr 1 22:08:10 1998
\nThis is a comment to message 4050.
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\nThat’s probably it. Most animated nominated shorts aren’t seen outside of
\nfestivals and rare TV broadcasts.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4052, from samiller, 264 chars, Thu Apr 2 12:42:25 1998
\nThis is a comment to message 4051.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\n>That’s probably it. Most animated nominated shorts aren’t seen outside of
\n>festivals and rare TV broadcasts
\nAre there no distribution channels for the product on VHS media? One would
\nexpect that it would be a relatively low entry fee\/overhead enterprise.
\nScott<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4053, from switch, 332 chars, Wed Apr 8 22:26:46 1998
\nThis is a comment to message 4052.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nSome festivals do end up having their highlights distributed to tape or
\ndisc. I have a number of Expanded Entertainment compilations on laserdisc,
\nand one Spike & Mike compilation on VHS.<\/p>\n

Your best bet would be to get the next release of the Whole Toon Catalog.
\nThe current address should be easy to find in the conference.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4054, from switch, 238 chars, Wed Apr 8 22:38:37 1998
\nThis is a comment to message 4049.
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\nA quick trip to the Internet Movie Database reveals otherwise. While
\nDisney is at the top of the heap, MGM, Warner, UPA, and the National Film
\nBoard of Canada (if you consider that a studio) have all taken more than
\nPixar’s three.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4055, from switch, 1863 chars, Wed Apr 8 22:58:36 1998
\nThis is a comment to message 4053.
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
\n————————–
\nAs if by magic, this was in my e-mail, from yesterday’s Animation Flash
\nnewsletter:<\/p>\n

3. SPIKE & MIKE FEST. No, it’s not “sick and twisted.” It’s “Spike & Mike’s
\n1998 Classic Festival of Animation,” opening this Friday, April 10 at the
\nCastro Theatre in San Francisco, California (running through April 22). The
\nprogram includes Pixar’s Oscar-winning short, “Geri’s Game,” Piet Kroon’s
\n“T.R.A.N.S.I.T.,” Aardman’s “Stage Fright,” Lasse Persson’s “Hand in Hand,”
\nBen Gluck’s “Man’s Best Friend,” Berad Beyreuther, Daniel Binder and Robert
\nA. Zwirner’s “G|ten Appetit,” Don Hertzfeldt’s “Lily and Jim,” Blair
\nThornley’s “Underwear Stories,” Rob Breyne, Nico Meulemans and Lef Goosen’s
\n“Museum,” Silke Parzich’s “Spring,” Zlatin Radev’s “Shock” and Alexei
\nKaraev’s “Welcome.” The show is also booked at San Francisco’s Palace of
\nFine Arts (April 24-May 9), and elsewhere in California, in Spike and
\nMike’s home town of La Jolla (April 3-June 13), Landmark’s UC Theater in
\nBerkeley (April 17-26), the Towne Theater in San Jose (April 24-May 14),
\nThe Lark Theater in Larkspur (May 15-28), Stanford University in Palo Alto
\n(May 14-23), Lakeside Cinemas in Santa Rosa (May 29-June 4) and theaters in
\nSonoma (June 26-July 2), and in Los Angeles (July 3-9) and Orange County
\n(July 17-23). Additional confirmed showings are slated for Austin, Texas
\n(June 26-July 16), Louisville, Kentucky (June 26-July 9), Kansas City,
\nMissouri (July 3-9), Lexington, Kentucky (July 17-30), Atlanta, Georgia
\n(August 7-13), Charleston, South Carolina (August 21-27), and in Canada at
\nthe Ridge Theatre in Vancouver (April 17-May 10) and the Roxy Theatre in
\nVictoria (May 15-21). “Geri’s Game” director Jan Pinkava, producer Karen
\nDufilho and others from Pixar will make appearances at the San Francisco
\nCastro show on Friday, April 10. Call (510) 762-BASS for advance tickets to
\nthis show.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4056, from hmccracken, 533 chars, Tue Apr 21 21:25:34 1998
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\nTITLE: Another Froggy Evening
\nAttention, Boston-based fans: The Brattle Theater is currently
\nshowing a program of Warner Brothers cartoons, and on this
\nThursday, the selection will include _Another Froggy Evening_,
\njones’s recent, rarely-seen sequel to his masterpiece, _One
\nFroggy Evening_. 14 vintage Warners, mostly by Jones, will also
\nbe shown.<\/p>\n

There are showings at 5:30, 7:45, and 10; the theater is in Harvard
\nSquare. The program is on tour, so folks in other parts of the country
\nmay get the opportunity to see it.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4057, from hmccracken, 1691 chars, Sun Apr 26 22:06:17 1998
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\nTITLE: Another Froggy Evening
\nWell, I’ve finally seen Another Froggy Evening — Chuck Jones’s sequel
\nto his masterpiece, One Froggy Evening. AFE was made in 1995, but hasn’t
\nbeen widely shown; it came to Boston as part of a program that was
\nmostly made up of classic Warners’ cartoons.<\/p>\n

I’d heard extremely bad things about Another Froggy Evening, but it
\nis not the weakest of the cartoons Jones has made in recent years.
\nIt got a respectful response from the audience, and a few gags
\nprovoked sincere belly laughs. I don’t want to give away too much of
\nthe plot, but it follows Michigan J. Frog through history, which tends
\nto repeat itself. In effect, it’s a series of mini-remakes of the
\noriginal film, set in the stone age, Colonial times, and other eras.<\/p>\n

The film is adequately animated and sports excellent backgrounds
\n(done by Warner veteran Bob Givens). While Jones was once known for
\nthe rigorous LOGIC of his cartoon world, he’s a little sloppy here.
\nMichigan J. seems to change size depending on the gag needs of each
\nscene — he’s mostly frog-sized, but roughly the size of a human being
\nin the closing scene. for no apparent reason, he appears to have gained
\nthe ability to fly, or at least float about in a distinctly unfroglike
\nfashion. The cartoon also has perhaps one too many in-joke references
\nto earlier Jones work. It’s a little self-indulgent, but then no
\nanimator has done more to earn the right to a little self-indulgence
\nthan Jones.<\/p>\n

Ultimately, Another Froggy Evening is pretty harmless, but I can’t
\nfigure out why it was made. Maybe Warner’s, which uses the frog as
\nmascot for its TV network, though it was time to give Michigan J.
\na little publicity.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4058, from hmccracken, 671 chars, Sat May 2 00:08:21 1998
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\nTITLE: Happy Birthday, Maurice Noble
\nFriday was the birthday of Maurice Noble, Chuck Jones’s master
\ndesigner and the man behind much of the look and feel of _What’s
\nOpera, Doc?_, _Duck Amuck_, and other
\nJones classics. He began his long career at Disney in the 1930s
\n(where he worked on Sily Symphonies and Snow White), worked on
\nthe Private Snafu series during WWII, and is still active today
\n(he’s planning a series of international fables called Noble Tales).
\nI’m not sure precisely how old Maurice is, other than that he’s several
\nyears older than Jones, who is 85. Yet another example of the remarkably
\nlong lifespans that great animators seem to have on average.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4059, from hmccracken, 934 chars, Mon May 11 21:28:45 1998
\nThis is a comment to message 4055.
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\nI finally saw GERI’S GAME, the Pixar computer-animated film that
\nwon the Oscar, when the Mike and Spike festival came to Boston.
\nAnd it’s a wonderful film that’s thoroughly deserving of the award.<\/p>\n

I don’t want to give away too much of the films premise, except to say
\nthat it involves an elderly man who plays chess in a park, in a unique
\nfashion. Geri is as realistic a character as I’ve seen done in
\ncomputer animation — not because he looks like a real person (he
\ndoesn’t) but because he moves and thinks like one. He wears an amazingly
\nrealistic-looking camel-hair jacket, too, but his skin still looks
\nrather plasticky — rendering accurate-looking human skin is a
\ntrick that even Pixar can’t quite pull off yet.<\/p>\n

Anyhow, the film is quite funny, Geri is a winning character, and Pixar
\nremains the Disney of computer-animation studios. I can’t wait to
\nsee its two forthcoming features: TOY STORY II and A BUG’S LIFE.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4060, from hmccracken, 571 chars, Sun May 24 17:54:41 1998
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\nTITLE: “Dilbert” takes home a Reuben
\nThis news isn’t new, but I didn’t hear it until today: Scott Adams,
\nthe creator of “Dilbert,” accepted the Reuben award as cartoonist of
\nthe year last month.<\/p>\n

Adams is unquestionably the hottest newspaper-comic cartoonist around,
\nand “Dilbert” is good for a chuckle from time to time, but that art!
\nPrevious Reuben winners have included such masters as Walt Kelly,
\nCharles Schulz, and Milt Caniff (the first Reuben winner). Adams
\nisn’t fit to sharpen their pencils, but then again, what contemporary
\nnewspaper cartoonist is?
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4061, from hkenner, 676 chars, Sun May 24 20:16:32 1998
\nThere is\/are comment(s) on this message.
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\nTITLE: Camelot
\nAnd in a similar vein to #4060: Reviewers are going mad over an animated
\nfeature called *Quest for Camelot* (“An instant classic”; “An Incredible
\nAchievement”). There has never, in the ads, been any indication of where
\nthe animation came from; emphasis is solely on the music. And the one
\nlengthy review I’ve seen (in the NYTimes, about a week ago) dwelt on the
\nvisual deficiencies, e.g. eyes looking in different directions from the
\nsame face, with no plausible cause save carelessness. For that matter,
\nthe male in all the ads has a problem with his nose and chin, which are
\nnot agreed on direction. “Top Notch”, says another review. Bah Humbug.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4062, from hmccracken, 273 chars, Sun May 24 23:38:24 1998
\nThis is a comment to message 4061.
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\nQUEST FOR CAMELOT is from Warner Bros., and despite the studio’s
\nlong association with animation, it’s apparently the first a–
\nanimated feature it’s ever done. I haven’t seen it yet (I may
\ntomorrow), but from the ads, it looks like another piece of PseudoDisney.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4063, from hkenner, 117 chars, Mon May 25 11:44:47 1998
\nThis is a comment to message 4062.
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\nWhen you see it, Harry, please let us know if the credits contain any
\nmention of where the animation came from.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4064, from hmccracken, 184 chars, Mon May 25 20:46:48 1998
\nThis is a comment to message 4063.
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\nHugh: It’s from a division of Warner’s called Warner Bros. Feature
\nAnimation, based in Hollywood. Last time I heard, the group was
\nat work on a second film, _The Iron Giant_.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4065, from switch, 235 chars, Mon May 25 21:04:30 1998
\nThis is a comment to message 4061.
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\nAll is not lost, Hugh; I have about a dozen articles that slam Quest for
\nCamelot, and rightly so. I saw the film on Saturday with my fiancee, her
\nniece, and her nephews. I haven’t wanted to walk out of a film in a long
\ntime…<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4066, from hmccracken, 555 chars, Thu May 28 14:55:45 1998
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\nTITLE: RIP, Phil Hartman
\nTerrible news: Phil Hartman has died in what is apparently a murder-
\nsuicide. (CNN says his wife apears to have shot him and then taken
\nher own life.)<\/p>\n

Hartman is best known for his long stint on Saturday Night Live and
\nhis current NewsRadio sitcom, but he has endeared himself to
\nfans of _The Simpsons_ by providing voices for an array of memorable
\ncharacters, including shyster lawyer Lionel Hutz and washed-up
\nmovie actor Troy McClure. He’s done voices for other cartoons, too,
\nincluding _The Brave Little Toaster_.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4067, from switch, 371 chars, Sun May 31 20:20:01 1998
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\nHartman also did voices for two animated features being released stateside
\nthis year: Dreamworks’ Small Soldiers (at least, I think it’s Dreamworks) and
\nDisney’s video release of Hayao Miyazaki’s Kiki’s Delivery Service.<\/p>\n

It really is a shame. I always liked him because he seemed to genuinely
\nenjoy what he was doing, without falling into annoying Hollywoodism.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4068, from lkaplan, 722 chars, Thu Jun 4 01:07:09 1998
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\n>Kiki’s Delivery Service.<\/p>\n

What’s that about? The title is interesting …<\/p>\n

>It really is a shame. I always liked him because he seemed to genuinely
\n>enjoy what he was doing, without falling into annoying Hollywoodism.<\/p>\n

I agree … I watched an episode of “News Radio” last night where
\nHartmann’s character was considering switching careers from radio announcer
\nto Mark Russell clone (“Never heard of him.”), and was really outrageous –
\nI can’t even imagine what the outtakes from that show must be like.<\/p>\n

There’s going to be a special Saturday Night Live either this or next
\nweekend (June 13th), showing some of his contributions – this should be
\nfunny, Hartmann was one of the most-talented people on that show.<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4069, from hmccracken, 519 chars, Sun Jun 7 21:35:47 1998
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\nTITLE: Disney’s No Smoking Policy
\nThe 1940s Disney animated film _Melody Time_, a pleasant if unexceptional
\ncompilation of several short, music-themed stories, is now available on
\nvideo. I mention this fact here mostly to alert you that it’s been
\ncensored: the in the “Pecos Bill” section, Pecos (or should that be Bill?)
\nhas had his cigarette electronically erase, and a scene in which he
\nrolls his own is completely gone.<\/p>\n

Let’s just hope that nobody gets the bright idea to do the same with
\nPopeye’s pipe.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4070, from hmccracken, 1014 chars, Sun Jun 7 21:41:13 1998
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\nI finally saw _Quest for Camelot_ myself last week. I thought I’d
\nheard that it would attempt to aim at an older audience than the
\ntypical new Disney cartoon, but my friend and I were just about the
\nonly audience members who weren’t A) five-year-old girls; or B)
\nthe parents of five-year-old girls. (I’m not kidding — I didn’t
\neven see any five-year-old boys.)<\/p>\n

The movie, based on a book with a different title, tells the tale
\nof a teenaged girl who finds Excalibur, meets King Arthur, etc.
\nMost every scene seems to recall Disney films (the most striking
\nrip-off is a moment where she leaps onto a rock surrounded b
\ncrashing waves, a la the Little Mermaid). Songs are unmemorable (and
\nsometimes unintelligble — the sound mixing is weird) and the quality
\nof animation and production is several notches lower than current
\nDisney product. The kids seemed mildly entertained, but the highlight
\nfor me was a trailer for Disney’s _Mulan_, which opens later this
\nmonth and which looked kind of interesting.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4071, from switch, 632 chars, Sun Jun 7 22:31:17 1998
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\nKiki’s Delivery Service is one of the nine anime films Disney has picked up
\nfor worldwide distribution, and the first to be released (it’s due out
\non September 1). Kiki is a 13-year-old witch, and as such must live away
\nfrom home for a year, in order find her particular talent. It’s really a
\ncoming-of-age story.<\/p>\n

Early on in the film, she finds a town to settle into, and sets up a
\ndelivery service, where the deliveries are conducted by broom. Though
\nsometimes she needs a little help with her flying skills.<\/p>\n

It’s a nice film — heartwarming without being sappy. Hartman provided the
\nvoice for Jiji, Kiki’s black cat.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4072, from lkaplan, 769 chars, Mon Jun 8 20:42:52 1998
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\nRe: Disney’s No Smoking Policy
\n>in the “Pecos Bill” section, Pecos (or should that be Bill?)
\n>has had his cigarette electronically erase, and a scene in which he
\n>rolls his own is completely gone.<\/p>\n

Arrrgggh …<\/p>\n

>Let’s just hope that nobody gets the bright idea to do the same with
\n>Popeye’s pipe.<\/p>\n

That was suggested years ago, wasn’t it? Of course, there was that
\nreligious guy a few years ago who started a fuss against CBS by claiming
\nthat the revived Mighty Mouse (Ralph Bakshi was the artist?) was actually
\n“sniffing drugs” when he sniffed dried flowers in one episode …<\/p>\n

Cartoons are too important historically to censor. They sometimes need to
\nbe viewed in the context of when they were produced, but that is probably
\ntrue for a lot of creative work.<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4073, from lkaplan, 61 chars, Mon Jun 8 20:42:54 1998
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\nThat sounds neat, I’ll have to keep an eye out for it.<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4074, from switch, 319 chars, Mon Jun 15 22:53:55 1998
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\nTITLE: Mulan
\nVicky and I saw Mulan on Saturday.<\/p>\n

The short review, until I have the time for a longer one: Disney is getting
\nback on the right track. Less songs, more story. And while I don’t agree
\non the dragon (Eddie Murphy) and cricket (a chirping Frank Welker) in
\nprinciple, I didn’t mind them in the film.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4075, from ecbrown, 140 chars, Thu Jun 18 21:29:28 1998
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\nTITLE: Invasion America
\nAnybody seen any previews (aside from commercials) for this? It looks like
\nAnime comes to prime time…..<\/p>\n

— Eric<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4076, from switch, 141 chars, Thu Jun 18 22:42:08 1998
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\nActually, Invasion America started last week; three episodes have run so
\nfar. I haven’t had the chance to watch my tapes yet, though.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4077, from hmccracken, 2699 chars, Fri Jul 17 22:59:40 1998
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\nTITLE: Disney’s MULAN
\nI saw it a couple of weeks ago and have been remiss in not reviewing it
\nhere.<\/p>\n

MULAN’s an enjoyable film — no masterpiece, to be sure, but I liked
\nit better than most of Disney’s other recent efforts (including
\nHERCULES, HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME, POCAHONTAS, and THE LION KING, the
\nlast of which I couldn’t stand). If you capsulize the plot — teenaged
\ngirl in ancient China disguises herself as a man and goes off to war
\nagainst the Huns — it sounds like a huge departure from typical
\nDisney fare. Actually, the treatment is pretty typical Disney, but at
\nleast the unusual plot gives it a slightly offbeat flavor.<\/p>\n

Part of “typical Disney fare” is giving the protagonist a wise-cracking
\nanimal sidekick — a tradition that goes back to Jiminy Cricket in PINOCCHIO
\n(1939). This time around, the sidekick is a midget dragon voiced by Eddie
\nMurphy. While I probably wouldn’t choose to cast Eddie Murphy in a film
\nset in ancient China (at least not if he was going to give a typical Eddie
\nMurphy performance, which he does here), the dragon is genuinely funny and
\nengaging. I even began to forget that just about every word out of his
\nmouth is so America-in-the-1990s that this movie will date very quickly.<\/p>\n

Storywise, MULAN goes down easy; the plot moves along and the songs,
\nthough not memorable, don’t sound like retreads of earlier songs, and are
\nwell integrated into the action. Some of the ads for the film make it
\nlook like a grim drama, but it’s really more of a light comedy in
\nmost important respects. Many of the (mostly very favorable)
\nreviews of the film make a big deal about how the crossdressing, macho
\nMulan is a breakthrough Disney heroine — not really. She looks and acts a
\nlot like her predecessors, all the way back to Snow White, in many
\nrespects — you could plug the Little Mermaid into this movie and it
\nwouldn’t make a huge difference.<\/p>\n

As usual, the film looks great in many respects — Mulan, Mu-Shu the
\ndragon, and many other characters are nicely designed and animated, and
\nthe color and backgrounds are lavish and fun to look at. Also as usual,
\nmany of the subsidiary characters are drawn with no consistency — they
\ndon’t look like they belong on the same planet, let alone in the same
\nfilm. I can’t figure out why this is such a nagging problem with recent
\nDisney films, given that for decades, the studio’s cartoons had such a
\ncoherent look to them.<\/p>\n

MULAN is a vastly better film than Warner Bros.’ QUEST FOR CAMELOT, which
\nhad a somewhat similar story and which died a quiet death at the boxoffice
\nearlier this Summer. I can’t remember what the next Disney feature will be
\n— I know that FANTASIA 2000 and TARZAN are in the works.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4078, from hmccracken, 680 chars, Fri Jul 17 23:02:40 1998
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\nTITLE: Computer bugs this Fall
\nNo, not anything relating to the Year 2000 problem. There will be two
\ncomputer-animated theatrical features about insects late this year.
\nFirst will be ANTZ, from Dreamworks; it was supposed to be released next
\nyear, but the schedule was moved up. Woody Allen, among various other
\ncelebrities, will provide a voice.<\/p>\n

ANTZ was sped up in order to trump A BUG’S LIFE, the second animated
\nfeature directed by John (TOY STORY) Lasseter. I saw a coming attraction
\nfor this film before MULAN, and it looks very promising. Let’s hope that
\nthere’s room at the box office for both contenders — especially if they
\nboth turn out to be good films.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4079, from switch, 1177 chars, Fri Jul 24 08:55:43 1998
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Many of the (mostly very favorable)
\nreviews of the film make a big deal about how the crossdressing, macho
\nMulan is a breakthrough Disney heroine — not really. She looks and acts a
\nlot like her predecessors, all the way back to Snow White, in many
\nrespects — you could plug the Little Mermaid into this movie and it
\nwouldn’t make a huge difference.<\/p>\n

Tarzan should be the next film.<\/p>\n

I don’t think I agree with you about Mulan as a Disney heroine. Unlike
\nAriel, she has a strong sense of responsibility already. I couldn’t
\nimagine her having a teenage snit. Unlike Belle, she has no desire to
\nleave her simple life. She has a brain and knows how to use it, but
\nshe loves her home. Unlike Pocahontas, she’s not a leader. Unlike Meg,
\nshe doesn’t have a massive, cynical chip on her shoulder. And, most
\nimportant —<\/p>\n

*SPOILER*<\/p>\n

She doesn’t unequivocally fall in love with the male lead. Also, she’s
\nfully prepared to leave the him — and a position in the court — to return
\nto her home. Hercules did something similar, but considering he still had
\nsuper strength and godly heritage, it didn’t seem like much of a sacrifice.<\/p>\n

Emru<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4080, from hmccracken, 364 chars, Fri Jul 24 09:52:41 1998
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\nGood points. I thought that the film made a mistake in depicting Mulan’s
\nfailure to be a traditional Chinese maiden mostly in the context of an
\noutrageously slapsticky sequence in which a lot of things go wrong that
\nweren’t really her fault. I wasn’t ever clear on why she considered
\nherself an oddball and an outsider.<\/p>\n

— Harry (who’s looking forward to Tarzan)<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4081, from hmccracken, 1003 chars, Sat Aug 1 17:50:18 1998
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\nTITLE: Disney’s _The Black Cauldron_…
\n…will be released on video later this month. That’s a bit of a
\nsurprise because the film is an orphan — it was made under the
\nregime of Ron Miller (Walt’s son-in-law) but released shortly after
\nMichael Eisner & Co. took over. They didn’t put much effort into
\npromoting it, and it’s become one of the most obscure Disney animated
\nfeatures. It’s also the only one that’s rated PG.<\/p>\n

The film, which the studio worked on for many years and spent a
\nlot of money on (by the standards of the time) is no masterpiece.
\nIt’s a sort of Tolkien knockoff, the story is a mishmosh, and the
\nprotagonist, a young pig keeper, doesn’t have much personality.
\nBut there are some good action scenes, some fun secondary characters
\n(including Gurgi, a furry critter, and Creeper, a sort of hunchbacked
\nevil elf), and enjoyable music by Elmer Bernstein. It’s nice to know that
\nit’ll be available again, for the first time since it was released to
\ntheaters in (I think) 1985.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4082, from jjanney, 161 chars, Mon Aug 3 11:47:26 1998
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\n> The film … is no masterpiece.<\/p>\n

I haven’t seen it, but I’ve always been fond of the book. Come to
\nthink of it, that’s probably why I never saw the movie \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4083, from jjanney, 246 chars, Sun Aug 9 00:35:00 1998
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\nThere was a plot summary of “The Black Cauldron” in the newspaper
\ntoday, that suggests that the film-makers tried to combine the stories
\nof the first and second books in the series into one movie. If so,
\nit’s no wonder the result was confusing.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4084, from hmccracken, 971 chars, Tue Aug 18 02:45:35 1998
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\nTITLE: Reading the Rabbit
\nI’m still travelling. I’m here in Seattle (I’m meeting with a large
\nsoftware company tomorrow that shall remain nameless), but I spent the day
\nin Portland, my hometown. One of the virtues of which is Powell’s, a
\nbookstore of staggering size and quality.<\/p>\n

My most interesting find at Powell’s: _Reading the Rabbit_, an (apparently
\nnew) collection of essays about Warner Bros. cartoons. Among the essays:
\n“The View from Termite Terrace: Caricature and Parody in Warner Bros.
\nAnimation,” “The Image of the Hillbilly in Warner Bros. Cartoons of the
\nThirties,” Fans versus Time Warner: Who Owns Looney Tunes?,” and “Hybrid
\nCinema: the Mask, Masques, and Tex Avery.” The book looks kind of dry and
\nserious overall, but a number of the essays look promising. Once I’ve read
\nit (I’ll dip into it during the trip), I’ll report back with a review.<\/p>\n

Oh, the book is edited by Kevin S. Sandler, and it’s from Rutgers
\nUniversity Press. I paid $20.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4085, from hmccracken, 588 chars, Tue Oct 20 23:33:40 1998
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\nTITLE: Jones on CNN
\nCNN’s “Newsstand” program featured a nice segment on Chuck Jones the
\nother night. Jones, 86 now, finally seems to be aging a bit, but is
\nas sharp and funny as ever. The show featured a lot of clips from
\nJones’ classic cartoons and interviews with the artist, his daughter
\n(and business partner in an extremely successful limited-edition art
\ncompany), and wife.<\/p>\n

Unfortunately, the program didn’t pay tribute to any of the supremely
\ntalented coworkers who collaborated with Jones: Mike Maltese, Mel Blanc,
\nMaurice Noble, Ken Harris, Carl Stalling, and others.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4086, from hkenner, 56 chars, Wed Oct 21 10:27:43 1998
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\n…AND it had absolutely nothing new on Jones.
\n–HK<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4087, from hmccracken, 396 chars, Wed Oct 21 15:32:29 1998
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\nInterestingly, they did acknowledge the fact that Jones gets no
\nroyalties from Warner Bros. But I don’t remember whether they
\nalso noted that CNN and Warner Bros. are part of the same company.<\/p>\n

I have a bit of Jones news (not from CNN): he’s going to be travelling
\non some sort of cruise for well-heeled folks who want to hobnonb with
\ncelebs. Jones being one of the famous folk onboard.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4088, from hmccracken, 1103 chars, Tue Mar 16 17:35:47 1999
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\nTITLE: _Hollywood Cartoons_
\nI’m not sure if anyone’s still here, but if you are: Mike Barrier’s
\n_The Hollywood Cartoons_ has just been published. Years ago, Barrier
\nwas the editor of _Funnyworld_, the best magazine ever published on
\nanimated cartoons, and he’s been working on this book since 1969.
\n(I first heard about it in 1976 or so, when it was supposed to be
\nnearly complete.)<\/p>\n

The endless wait turned out to be woethwhile — _Hollywood Cartoons_
\nis a superb history of American theatrical animation (Barrier ends
\nthe book in 1966, with Walt Disney’s death). Mike interviewed dozens,
\nif not hundreds, of important figures — most of who, alas, have passed
\naway. He’s also an excellent, exceptionally demanding critic, and his
\nbook is certainly one of the finest works of animation criticism ever
\nwritten. He’s particularly strong on Disney in the 1930s and Warner Bros.
\nin the 1940s.<\/p>\n

My only serious gripe is that the book could use more illustrations —
\nthere are only about fifty of them, and no color. But that leaves 600+
\nof some of the best writing about animation I’ve ever read.
\n— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4089, from hshubs, 170 chars, Fri Nov 19 09:47:54 1999
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\nTITLE: Mary Kay Bergman is dead
\nShe did all but one of the female voices on South Park, as well as many other
\nthings. Apparently committed suicide a week ago yesterday.<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4090, from lkaplan, 202 chars, Tue Dec 14 14:34:32 1999
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\nTITLE: end of an era
\nI just heard on a Canadian radio station that Charles Schultz is retiring,
\nthe last new daily “Peanuts” strip will be on January 3. He’s also battling
\ncolon cancer.<\/p>\n

Sigh …<\/p>\n

-Len<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4091, from jjanney, 9 chars, Tue Dec 14 15:17:39 1999
\nThis is a comment to message 4090.
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\nDamn \ud83d\ude41<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4092, from hmccracken, 404 chars, Sun May 13 20:49:33 2001
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\nTITLE: Well, I guess this is it
\nI’m sorry to say that I just logged into BIX for the first time since
\nthe announcement of its impending closure. Anybody out there? I’d
\nlove to see some activity in this conference for old time’s sake.
\nMeanwhile, if anyone’s looking for a place to discuss animation,
\ncome to my Web site, wwww.harrymccracken.com. Quite a few BIXen
\nhang out in my MessageCenter.<\/p>\n

— Harry<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4093, from dgh, 73 chars, Sun May 13 22:27:03 2001
\nThis is a comment to message 4092.
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\nI’ll be hanging around BIX until it stops responding to Telnet logins…<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4094, from denverd, 110 chars, Mon May 14 01:22:22 2001
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\nRe: Well, I guess this is it
\n> if anyone’s looking for a place to discuss animation<\/p>\n

have you considered nlz?<\/p>\n

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\nanimation\/main #4095, from jdow, 101 chars, Tue May 15 19:45:05 2001
\nThis is a comment to message 4092.
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\nCome visit “nlzero.com” if you are interested. You telnet to it the same as
\nyou telnet to BIX.
\n{^_^}<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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