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animation/characters #1, from hmccracken, 209 chars, Sun Oct 22 20:45:35 1989
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TITLE: This topic…
is where animation conference members get to know a little bit about each
other. Tell us something about yourself — who you are, what you do, and
your interests in and out of animation.
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animation/characters #2, from switch, 850 chars, Mon Oct 23 10:41:38 1989
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Greetings. My name’s Emru, and I’m one of the ‘animation’ moderators.
How I got into animation is a very short story; my parents got a color TV, I
woke up early one Saturday morning, and saw Bugs Bunny. Never looked back. My
interests now range through all forms of animation; I’m interested in how
people make inanimate things move, regardless of the medium. I taught myself,
with the aid of a Commodore 64 and a VCR with an excellent frame-by-frame
control, the basic principles of animation, and am currently enrolled in
the film animation program at Concordia University. I also read whatever I
can get my hands on.
Aside from working on animated shorts (for school and for fun), I also edit a
fanzine which is about 50% dedicated to animation, and occasionally contribute
articles to other zines (none accepted by prozines as yet).
Emru
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animation/characters #3, from hmccracken, 1380 chars, Mon Oct 23 21:13:56 1989
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TITLE: Hi, I’m Harry McCracken (hmccracken).
Like Emru (switch), I’m one of your moderators here. I can’t really say
how I got interested in animation, for the simple reason that I can’t
remember *not* being interested in it. My particular passion is American
animation from the 1930s to the 1940s — especially Disney, Warner, MGM,
Fleischer, and anything really obscure. But I’m at least a little interested
in anything that’s animated (and in comic strips, books, and other forms
of carticature as well).
I also edit an animation magazine, Animato, which has published eighteen
issues and is, he modestly said, a good place to find interviews and criticism
on animation old and new. (See animation/sources for more information.)
-Beyond that, I sometimes write on animation and other topics for other
magazines (especially Cinefantastique). By day I am a mild-mannered Senior
Editor for a publisher of high-technology directories and databases.
I dn’t have a formal top-ten list, but my favorite animated feature is
Pinocchio, and among my favorite short films are The Skeleton Dance and
The Pointer (both Disney), One Froggy Evening, What’s Opera, Doc?, and
A Bear For Punishment (all Chuck Jones), and The Zoot Cat (Hanna-Barbera
at MGM). But I could name a hundred favorite films, and will probably
think of several particular favorites after I “add” this message.
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animation/characters #4, from bsoron, 1628 chars, Tue Oct 31 22:32:07 1989
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Are you Sam and Natalie McCracken’s son? If so, hello to you, and
pass along my fond regards to your folks. I enjoyed working with
them at BU and haven’t called Sam’s Place in way too long. (If not,
then hello to you anyway, and if you ever see the McCrackens I know,
tell ’em I said hi. 🙂
One of my all-time favorite cartoons is Jones’ “Cheese Chasers,”
with Hubie and Bert. I think it’s an unfairly unsung classic — it
has a great premise, all the right jokes at all the right times (the
Jones timing was at its finest for this ‘un). The other cartoons
where Hubie and Bert terrorize Claude Cat are all good, but this one
rises above ’em. Since I don’t have it on tape, it’s always a pleasant
treat to catch it on TV.
I don’t like most of Jones’ post ’62-or-so work, but until then, for
my money he was the best of a very fine bunch. I’ve also got a soft
spot for Tex Avery (I find Droopy as hilarious now as I did when I was
six, when I used to get up early on Sunday mornings for Tom and Jerry
just in hopes of seeing a Droopy). I love Rocky and Bullwinkle but
never liked most of the rest of Ward’s creations. I also like the old
opera-style Mighty Mouses. Tried to watch the Bakshi version a couple
seasons ago and I didn’t see anything to hold my interest.
Aside from the aforementioned, I’m pretty strictly a Warner Bros.
fan. Obviously I watch a lot of stuff from other studios and enjoy a
fair amount of it, but I’m not a -fan- of it. WB for about three
decades was something very special that, for the most part, attracted
the finest, and as a whole there’s no way it could be matched.
Bob
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animation/characters #5, from hmccracken, 410 chars, Tue Oct 31 22:42:41 1989
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Yep, Sam and Natalie McCracken are my parents. I’ll pass on your regards,
and in fact my father mentioned the other day his regret that you hadn’t
been on his BBS in some time.
I like Cheese Chasers too, but my favorite Hubie and Bertie cartoon is
The Hypochondri-Cat, in which they convince Claude Cat that he’s an angel.
Truly one of Chuck Jones’s best cartoons, although it’s rarely discussed.
— Harry
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animation/characters #6, from jenn, 91 chars, Tue Oct 31 22:54:52 1989
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Hubie and Bert!!!
My favorite cartoon is ‘The Hypochondriac Cat’!!!
“Yeah yeah, sure sure’
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animation/characters #7, from jenn, 115 chars, Tue Oct 31 22:55:40 1989
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Look! He’s turning…plaid!
(Obviously, my interest in cartoons also gives me
an interest in quoting them….;-)
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animation/characters #8, from hshubs, 31 chars, Wed Nov 1 00:09:07 1989
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Yeah! Plaid! Plaid! Yeah!
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animation/characters #9, from bsoron, 204 chars, Thu Nov 2 00:29:59 1989
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I’ve seen The Hypochondri-Cat only a few times ever, and not in way too
long, but I remember liking it a lot. All of the Hubie and Berts were
classics, but CC pushed all the right buttons for me.
Bob
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animation/characters #10, from ewhac, 356 chars, Thu Nov 2 23:31:23 1989
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TITLE: Me.
My name’s Leo Schwab. I don’t know where I originally became
interested in animation, but I imagine Bugs Bunny or Popeye had something
to do with it.
I’m currently working on a program for the Amiga that will enable
any ordinary guy with an Amiga to create animations just like the pros.
It’ll be available Real Real Soon Now.
Schwab
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animation/characters #11, from hmccracken, 136 chars, Fri Nov 3 18:58:51 1989
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Welcome, Leo. Care to tell us anything about the features your system has?
(Maybe in bit.by.bit would be most appropriate?)
— Harry
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animation/characters #12, from wablock, 1058 chars, Sat Nov 4 03:55:00 1989
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TITLE: Hello
My name’s Warren Block (wablock: WAH-block). My interest in animation must
date from those years when I got up at 6:00 Saturday to sneak downstairs and
watch cartoons on the old black-and-white tube set.
My artistic talents are limited (currently) to writing and photography,
which blends well with computers, although limits me severely in creating
my own animations (draw? Who, me?)
I like all the old standards of animation, plus a few new ones: the animated
Alf, which might be crummy for animation but frequently has good, humorous
storylines; the current “Winnie The Pooh” for very nice animation (makes me
wish I had kids!). I even (accidentally) saw one of the Beanie and Cecil
cartoons lately, where the villain was hit so hard he landed in another
cartoon–squashing several warped-looking Smurfs under their mushroom!
My current computer is the Amiga, where I diddle with odd 3D thingies, stereo
3D pictures and animations, and 2D graphics of all sorts. I program in Forth,
so people tend to give me blank stares all the time.
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animation/characters #13, from hmccracken, 28 chars, Sat Nov 4 10:03:32 1989
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Welcome, Warren.
— Harry
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animation/characters #14, from sharonfisher, 530 chars, Tue Nov 7 12:18:23 1989
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TITLE: Me.
I’m a Warner Brothers/MGM fan and still watch them (which nobody else seems
to admit doing). I like the Fred Quimby MGMs the best. My most recent
flame has gotten me into Animation — festivals and the like — but hasn’t
yet converted me to the Japanese animation. I don’t do it, I just watch it
and study it and scream like hell when the TV stations cut it. My favorite
part is finding all the period jokes, and things they couldn’t get away
with these days (like the heavy racist overtones in the wartime toons).
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animation/characters #15, from hmccracken, 32 chars, Tue Nov 7 16:30:36 1989
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Welcome, Sharon! — Harry
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animation/characters #16, from switch, 166 chars, Wed Nov 8 00:21:21 1989
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Welcome to the conference, Sharon! You’re already into Warner/MGM, so that’s
fine. But not into Japanese animation? You must be converted! Bwah! Ha!
Ha! Ha!
🙂
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animation/characters #17, from sharonfisher, 220 chars, Wed Nov 8 17:31:31 1989
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I don’t take kindly to people converting me. Snarl. At this point, I
can sit through one Japanese animation thing. Beyond one, I get bored.
Too similar, and it’s no fun if I can’t understand the language or the plot.
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animation/characters #18, from switch, 284 chars, Wed Nov 8 21:01:06 1989
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There’s an interesting comment, and one I hear a lot. People often say that
all (or most) Japanese animations “look the same”. This is clearly not so.
Different animators/studios have different styles of art and animation. So
why do I hear it all the time? (Maybe it’s just me 🙂
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animation/characters #19, from hmccracken, 1047 chars, Wed Nov 8 21:36:19 1989
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Japanese animation all looks the same? Well, I’ve heard that many times before.
I won’t express my opinion right now, partially because I by no means consider
myself well-versed on Japan’s animation. But when I’ve seen that comment
before, it’s often been part of a larger argument between a fan of American
cartoons and one of Japanese animation that’s exploded into the verbal
equivalent of flaming. (Note that we don’t have a flames topic here in the
animation conference; I suppose we’ll put it in when we need it.)
Folks who like Japanese and American animation more-or-less equally are
a rare breed; more common is the type who loves one and sees very little of
interest in the other. My guess is that this may have something to do with
the emphasis in the best American animation on artwork and movement, and in
much Japanese animation on a kind of sequential storytelling in which plot
is more important than the actual caliber of the animation.
No doubt Jim and Emru will violently disagree with me on this point.
— Harry
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animation/characters #20, from switch, 629 chars, Wed Nov 8 21:45:53 1989
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Maybe not violently disagree. Some aspects of the arguments I can see.
American animation (um, pretty much excluding a lot of the SatAM crowd) does
tend to stress the technical aspect. Japanese animation aims more to telling
the story. But most Japanese animations popular in the Occident (since we
tend to see a lot less of it here, and we miss a lot of the dreck) *also* pays
attention to the technical aspect. _Akira_, _Laputa_, and _Wings of Honneamise_
come immediately to mind.
(Yes, I know — no fair since odds are you haven’t seen them.)
In any event, I’m one of those rare ones who enjoys animation in general.
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animation/characters #21, from dispintoh, 367 chars, Thu Nov 9 04:42:03 1989
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Well said!!! 🙂
I like just about every type of animation except one that is still around
and just WON’T seem to die.
You all know what I’m talking about…
There’s three apples tall, blue, and have very weird heads if they are
anything like their hats 😉
Yes, I dislike Smurfs with a vengence!
I’d LOVE to see a few mecha go after those suckers and ::SQUISH:: :>
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animation/characters #22, from jimomura, 403 chars, Thu Nov 9 09:13:21 1989
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There’s no real difference. If people want to try that kind of
pidgeon-holing it’s like saying “all books are the same because they
use ink on paper.” There’s real cr*p out there from just about any
geographical area of the world. And there’s a lot of good stuff too.
I don’t generally pay attention to that kind of argument. You don’t
like steak, you don’t eat it. Your business — not mine.
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animation/characters #23, from switch, 193 chars, Thu Nov 9 10:03:23 1989
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I suppose it depends. Ever read Peyo’s original incarnations? (I read them
in French as les Schtroumpfs.) Those, plus the original animated ones (not
the SatAM ones) are ten times as funny.
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animation/characters #24, from sharonfisher, 713 chars, Thu Nov 9 11:17:34 1989
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Well, perhaps it’s just the ones I’ve seen. I’ve seen Laputa, but the other
ones I’ve seen I don’t the names of. Anyway, they all seem to be about
buxom women in small amounts of clothing with a whole bunch of evil men
characters that they blow away because they’re the Good Guys (or Good Gals).
I suppose that’s not being fair — one could say all WB is about animals
with speech impediments trying to attack each other, physically or
mentally — but that’s been my experience so far. Perhaps it’s just the
language barrier — I like Thundercats, which comes from Japan but is
in English — but on the other hand, I thought Laputa, which was dubbed or
subtitled or something, was boring and went on too long.
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animation/characters #25, from switch, 633 chars, Thu Nov 9 22:08:31 1989
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Could be a matter of sampling, I suppose. Personally, I can usually (but not
always) find a counter-example for just about anything someone chooses in
anime that they think is ‘standard’ (for instance, _Touch_ most definitely has
no buxom women – well, not more than one anyway – nor anyone blowing anyone
away. It’s about teenagers growing up).
Part of the problem, of course, is the fact that most people who are into anime
tend to go for the shhot-em-up blood gore buxom babe stuff simply because it’s
what you don’t find in most North American animation. So they ignore the other
stuff, or are simply unaware that it exists.
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animation/characters #26, from ewhac, 66 chars, Fri Nov 10 02:15:54 1989
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sl*@we**.us? Is that you? Nice you see you.
Schwab
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animation/characters #27, from sharonfisher, 170 chars, Fri Nov 10 03:48:58 1989
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Yes, that’s me, although I do most of my net stuff from
sh****@as****.us now. Nice you see you too, I think, if you’ll
explain what “nice you see you” means. 🙂
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animation/characters #28, from wablock, 45 chars, Fri Nov 10 05:14:05 1989
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It’s a narcissistic reference, I think. 😎
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animation/characters #29, from davemackey, 205 chars, Tue Nov 14 00:46:53 1989
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A fan after my own heart. Some of those old MGM’s weren’t bad, even some of
the Harman-Isings. I too enjoy the period-inspired cartoons. They’re like
historical artifacts.
Dave
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animation/characters #30, from davemackey, 887 chars, Tue Nov 14 00:56:47 1989
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TITLE: Who I am
I think I left my message of introduction in the “main” topic; it really
belongs over here. Think of it as the first Popeye cartoon, which was really
a Betty Boop cartoon. This is a great board; it really is. I come from another
information service where animation is relegated to a corner of a broader
topic, rather than an area unto itself. I’ll recap what was in the message
over there: Mr. McCracken decided this was for me, so I logged in. I’m a fan
of the classic theatrical animation. I have vast knowledge of Warner Bros.,
chapter and verse, as well as the twelve apostles: Chuck, Friz, Bob M.,
Bob C., Frank, Tex, Hugh, Rudy, Mike, Tedd, Warren F. and fat ol’ Leon.
Which is not to say I won’t turn off a Tom and Jerry or Woody Woodpecker when
it comes on the screen. So let’s rap.
Beyouu-whoop!
Dave Mackey
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animation/characters #31, from hmccracken, 27 chars, Tue Nov 14 01:03:45 1989
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Welcome, Dave!
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animation/characters #32, from jenn, 38 chars, Tue Nov 14 22:18:13 1989
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Thanks for joining us Dave!! Welcome!
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animation/characters #33, from dlovell, 666 chars, Sat Nov 25 23:16:14 1989
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Hello. My name is Douglas Lovell. Call me Doug L.
I am a computer programmer.
Of course I get a kick out of Road Runner, Bugs, Daffy, Porky, Pepe, etc.
Mostly I enjoy animated short Films- the kind with the capital F that
you see at film festivals.
I became involved in the Animation BIZ when I married an animator.
Thus I became programmer for LightBox(tm).
LightBox is a computer based tool for two-dimensional animation
_drawing_ currently available for the Amiga computer.
It’s a great little program that makes real animators wonder how they
survived using Oxberry punched sheets on a light box for so long.
Doug L.
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animation/characters #34, from jimomura, 150 chars, Sun Nov 26 09:44:59 1989
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Welcome! Hmm. Yet another Amiga man. I seem to be the only
Atari ST hold-out. 🙂
Does your program integrate with Jim Kent’s Zoetrope?
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animation/characters #35, from dlovell, 91 chars, Tue Nov 28 06:58:23 1989
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Hello Jim; nice to know you.
I replied to your question in bit.by.bit msg. #100
— Doug L.
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animation/characters #36, from dyarbrough, 425 chars, Tue Dec 5 22:15:46 1989
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TITLE: Hi all
After some misdirection I finally found this area. I am in the computer
field as a manager type (no, no, no, don’t throw that, I said no, aggggggg)
I go for the American type of animation, because I have yet to meet anyone
familiar with with other countries’ animation. Hope to see you on the
bitstream.
David () ()
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animation/characters #37, from jenn, 169 chars, Tue Dec 5 23:50:13 1989
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Welcome David!
If you head on over to animation/anime, you might find what
you’ve been looking for: A number of folks familiar with
another countries’ animation….:-)
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animation/characters #38, from switch, 37 chars, Wed Dec 6 00:22:22 1989
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Hi, David! Glad you’ve joined us!
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animation/characters #39, from bcapps, 1532 chars, Thu Feb 15 23:35:25 1990
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TITLE: Anudder won.
I just recently joined BIX and was brousing around, when this system
message directed me a favorite topic of interest. I LOVE animation,
comics and cartoon art. I too, remember my early Saturday mornings fondly.
Wishing those mornings were here again. Mind you, I only turned 28, so
they weren’t too long ago. I work as a systems engineer (fancy name for
a corporate programmer). I love the older MGM, WB, and Fleischer stuff!
If only there were more Superman shorts, than 17! I will watch just
about any kind of animation (except some of the Filmation stuff). I
recently saw Akira here in DC (interesting, still waiting for the rest of
the Marvel series to come out). I remember a wonderful 1/2 hr. program
about Animation around the world hosted by Jean Marsh. I make my weekly
trek to my local comic store to pick up my current favorites (some DC
heroes, Marvel spiders, Cerebus, Nexus, Badger, Lone Wolf, Gladstones and
whatever else catches my interest with clean art and solid stories).
While recently living in Detroit I had a great opportunity to catch the
Art of Animation series which covered the form from the earliest Jules
Verne adaptions (“A Trip to the Moon”) to some of the more recent stuff
(Claymation, those brothers in England [I forget the name] that do a
variation on the puppet format). It was quite educational and VERY
entertaining. And I’m always willing to watch _MORE_!
Bob
p.s. I also own an Amiga. Maybe I’ll try my hand at animating
some of my favorite comics.
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animation/characters #40, from hmccracken, 26 chars, Fri Feb 16 00:33:27 1990
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Welcome, Bob!
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animation/characters #41, from davemackey, 433 chars, Fri Feb 16 04:53:15 1990
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Welcome, Bob. I remember that Jean Marsh show, too. It was called THE
INTERNATIONAL ANIMATION FESTIVAL and it spotlighted animation from
around the world. Little, if any, American participation. The only
Golden Age cartoon I can remember ever being on there was Lantz’
THE BOOGIE WOOGIE BUGLE BOY OF COMPANY B. Was just wondering about
that old series the other day while working on my Lantz list.
–Dave
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animation/characters #42, from hmccracken, 262 chars, Fri Feb 16 18:38:28 1990
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I think that show showed at least one other Lantz cartoon — _Musical
Moments from Chopin_, with Woody and Andy Panda — and possibly at least
one Road Runner cartoon as well. And speaking of Lantz, please tell us,
Dave — what is your “Lantz list?”
— Harry
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animation/characters #43, from jenn, 14 chars, Sat Feb 17 13:09:54 1990
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Welcome, Bob!
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animation/characters #44, from davemackey, 214 chars, Tue Feb 20 06:48:42 1990
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Basically, it’s a filmography with credits. Thanks to the television revival
I have reliable credits for most of the Lantz cartoons from 1940. Beyond that
it’s a crap shoot.
–Dave
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animation/characters #46, from hmccracken, 371 chars, Tue Feb 20 18:58:24 1990
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Sounds like a neat list. Do you know if the first Andy Panda cartoon —
_Life Begins For Andy Panda_ — is in the current Lantz TV package?
I have a friend who has approached everyone from Walter Lantz himself
to Mark Kausler in his attempts to find a copy, with no luck. I remember
seeing it on the network Woody show maybe twenty years ago, but not
since.
— Harry
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animation/characters #47, from davemackey, 462 chars, Tue Feb 20 21:04:07 1990
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Harry, I don’t believe that cartoon was in either of the two packages of
cartoons Lantz put into syndication (1977 or 1982), nor is it in the
syndicated show that began in 1987. There are a number of titles that
were deleted from the catalogue for various reasons, primarily racial
caricatures in some of the Swing Symphonies. But most of the others have been
issued. I don’t recall ever seeing “Life Begins For Andy Panda.”
–Dave
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animation/characters #48, from mscoville, 1551 chars, Sun Mar 4 00:26:39 1990
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TITLE: Another Character
Hello to all animation fans, my name is Mike Scoville and currently reside
in the Big Apple. As with others, my start in enjoying animation began
with the classics of the 40’s. These included the Disney full length
features and those zany WB cartoons. It was a great day at the movies
when the local theatre presnted their cartoon marathon. Many times it
was better than the feature.
With the advent of television each locale developed local tv characters
who introduced the cartoons and ran herd on a bunch of unruly studio
kids. The cartoons were great, the talk and games were usually below
most childrens’ comprehension…in fact it was usually boring and inane.
In Detroit we had Poop Deck Paul and Captain Jolly who ran the Popeye
series. Also, Milkey’s Movie Party which was sponsored by the local
dairy and ran the Betty Boop series, Farmer Gray, and many of the non
Disney classic cartoons.
In growing up I regretfully got away from animation, even though I had to
do local television directing duties during the Saturday Morning Cartoons.
I got out of tv and into the world of Broadway Theatre where I have been
for the last 20 years. Some of my fellow workers gave my wife and I an
animation cel of Jiminy Cricket. It was love at first sight and immediately
renewed my enjoyment in animation. It has turned out to be a wonderful hobby.
At present my wife and I collect cels, books,and videos and can’t get enough
of each. Are there any collectors of cels in the group?
Sincerely,
Michael Scoville
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animation/characters #49, from jenn, 17 chars, Sun Mar 4 02:12:36 1990
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Welcome, Mike!!!
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animation/characters #50, from hmccracken, 1065 chars, Sun Mar 4 17:27:49 1990
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Welcome to the club, Mike!
I’ve always been one step financially behind where I really should be to
persue cel collecting. You could have put together a beautiful collection
for very little money from the comics cons I attended in the mid 70;
unfortunately, I was a kid and could merely drool at things like
animation drawings from Plane Crazy (the first Mickey Mouse cartoon)
on sale for fifty bucks a piece. I did pick up some nice things for
a few dollars a piece that would fetch much more today, but usually
gave them away as gifts.
I do have a certain amount of original art, but it’s most comic-book
art and animation drawings, and I think I like the roughness of
animation drawings as much as the polish of cels. The animation
drawings, after all, are what the animator actually puts on paper;
the cel is a copy. My interesting oddities include an animation
drawing from an early 1940s Mickey Mouse cartoon, animation drawings
from a Quisp and Quake commercial, a Bugs Bunny autographed by the
late Bob Clampett, and a few other things.
— Harry
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animation/characters #51, from jporter, 2712 chars, Sat Apr 28 02:58:23 1990
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TITLE: Greetings
Well this seems to be where I Introduce myself to the confrence. I started
animating at about age 10 when my father gave me an old regular 8 camera. This
lasted until high school when I began serously reserching how professional
animation is done. I began collecting everything that I could find written
on the subject. Since I graduated from High School in 1978 (a bleak year for
animation) I decided to pursue a careeer in computers as that is where I felt
(and still feel) that the future of animation is. While still in HS I learned
basic. And wrote a program (before Atari) called joust on the SOL (This dates
me) using the Graphics charater set. Well when I became enrolled in the local
Junior college I was instantly proclaimed an expert. Back in those dark ages
Raster displays only existed at Xerox park. We had Hp 2640 or something like
that charater only displays. However we had plotters. And this is the turning
point why I am not a professional animator. Back then there was nothing. To
use the plotter one needed a Graphics Control language (this plotter worked like
this — you gave it a command pen up/ or pen down. You gave it data points. That
was all.) In order to write a GCL one had to learn how to write a compiler
this ment learning compiler construction. In order to learn Compiler cons.
you had to learn PL/1. (C did not exist) Note how far from animation I am
getting.So much for software. In order to understand Hardware I took the
Electronics program. (The one that promised 99% chance of a job on graduation)
Well You guest it. I recieved a job repairing apple computers.
One of my customers was dooing sound design on a project through Sprokett
Systems. He needed a foley artist. Well I got to sneak over to ILM (then
next door) Alot. However I have never been able to crack into that department.
I was making good money repairing apples (and that other brand). So I decided
To stay with that. (we are up to 1984). At this time I became heavaly
involved with the Renaissonce Fair group. Which gave me a creative outlet
Unfortunatly I got into a dissagreement with the place I was working. It
was a retail store. And they did not like giving me weekends off…
So last year I went out on my own and became a computer consultant. Writing
Excel macros mostly. Although I have spent a lot of time reserching an
an interesting subject. Automata. I have found myself facinated with 18th and
19th century examples of artifical life. While my French has gotten much
better….
Anyway that is who I am in a nutshell. I write Excel Macros for a living, and
research mechanical dolls and motion control for a Hobbie. Now if only I
Could reverse them ….
-jp
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animation/characters #52, from jporter, 290 chars, Sat Apr 28 03:05:26 1990
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TITLE: Oh I forgot
Now that I have put you to sleep with the bio in #51 I see things I left out.
I can answer many questions on mechanics/pnuematics of three dimentional
“Things”. I can also describe techincal details on such items as GoMotion(TM)
and optical printers.
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animation/characters #53, from hmccracken, 231 chars, Sat Apr 28 10:23:29 1990
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Welcome! Anyone who did animation on a Sol computer is okay by me.
I wrote a lot of graphics programs on a Radio Shack TRS-80 Model I
in the old days, making rich use of its monochrome graphics and
128×48 resolution…
— Harry
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animation/characters #54, from switch, 101 chars, Sat Apr 28 10:32:26 1990
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You had 128×48? Why, when I was animating on a Sinclair…
Fond memories, actually 🙂
Emru
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animation/characters #55, from jenn, 27 chars, Sat Apr 28 11:54:13 1990
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Welcome, Juli!
er, Julie..
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animation/characters #56, from rcrook, 217 chars, Sat Apr 28 23:27:39 1990
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I have a question: What, exactly is a ‘foley artist’, and what do they do?
I have seen the terms ‘foley artist’ and ‘foley editor’ regularly in
movie credits, and have always wondered just what they are.
= Argosy =
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animation/characters #57, from davemackey, 428 chars, Sun Apr 29 03:25:03 1990
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I think I can handle this one. A foley artist or foley walker is a sound
effects specialist who creates sound effects by making them as he;s
watching the film, trying to synch it to the action on the screen. Usually
this consist of, say, walking on gravel driveway, which is accomplished by
stomping in a wooden box of gravel. But it could encompass any sort of
post-produced sound effect.
–Dave
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animation/characters #58, from wablock, 90 chars, Sun Apr 29 04:20:26 1990
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You mean there isn’t a big gizmo called a “Foley Machine?” Now I’m really
disillusioned!
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animation/characters #59, from hkenner, 124 chars, Sun Apr 29 09:43:53 1990
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Right. And for the record, a book that answers nearly *all* such
questions is Bruce Kawin’s *How Movies Work* (Macmillan).
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animation/characters #60, from hmccracken, 212 chars, Sun Apr 29 10:38:42 1990
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Another fun — though undoubtedly far more expensive — way to learn about
all that stuff is to visit the Disney-MGM Theme Park in Orlando. I thought
I knew it all, but learned a lot when I visited.
— Harry
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animation/characters #61, from switch, 80 chars, Sun Apr 29 15:17:49 1990
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I don’t think it’s possible to know it all, no matter how hard you try…
Emru
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animation/characters #62, from dyarbrough, 244 chars, Sun Apr 29 19:49:46 1990
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That is defintly the fun way. The park is well worth the visit. It is great
watching your fellow guests (I have definetly been to Disney too many times
by using that term 😉 ) become part of the show.
David
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animation/characters #64, from hmccracken, 80 chars, Sun Apr 29 19:58:31 1990
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Unless, of course, you’re Bullwinke (aka Mr. Know-it-All himself)…
— Harry
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animation/characters #65, from hmccracken, 461 chars, Sun Apr 29 20:01:02 1990
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When I visited Disney-MGM last year I was prepared to dislike it, but it really
is very well-done. Not subtle or sophisticated, but there’s a cleverness and
whimsy about the place that Walt would have enjoyed, I think, once he got
over the non-Disney attractions…Certainly a much more Disneyesque place
than EPCOT Center (which I was also visiting for the first time, and which
does have its charms among all the overwrought World’s Fair kitsch.)
— Harry
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animation/characters #66, from ewhac, 136 chars, Tue May 1 04:52:49 1990
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If he still has a copy of that program, I’d like to have it. I have
a couple of working SOL’s in the garage, you see….
Schwab
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animation/characters #67, from sstaton, 39 chars, Tue May 1 20:28:54 1990
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Luxury! Remember the TSR 33 and weep.
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animation/characters #68, from jporter, 485 chars, Wed May 2 03:09:30 1990
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Well Put. I get tired of explaining what a Foley artist is. Seems to be a
triva question mostly. What I did was to hande a box of straw and match
to indians in the IMAX (oh oh another definition, Well It is a super wide
screen about 100 feet across with the audiance 50 feet away …) production
of _Mysteries of the Grand Canyon_. Oh that was Match the Indians walking
through grass. I also did a lot of walking around on foley boxes. Mostly I
waited for them to que the replay ….
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animation/characters #69, from jporter, 276 chars, Wed May 2 03:12:12 1990
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This was before MIDI was popular Still if you want it to match. It is interesting
that the public has become used to the effects. Natural recording sounds fake
to them. Foley was the name of the man who invented the procecess. However his
first name escapes me at the moment.
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animation/characters #70, from jporter, 536 chars, Wed May 2 03:19:35 1990
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Would this be adressed to me? If so watch your gender. No I gave all my SOL
Stuff away when I got an apple. Remember that the company was the first
to realy crash fire and burn. I still like the ol machine. Actualy Joust was
probably one of the programs that ‘Darth Vader’ ate. You see I was supposed
to do data entery not programming. My first taste of poor sport hakers.
BTW Do you still have a copy of that character set, I would like to put it
on the mac. Lee Felsenstein was supposed to send me a copy, he never did.
Bix Mail me.
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animation/characters #71, from jdow, 211 chars, Wed May 2 04:53:49 1990
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The SOL character set? That is documented in Motorola manuals of that era.
It was a purely standard character generation chip. Play a bit with a
font editor to match it and you’re in. (Another SOL owner.)
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animation/characters #72, from tshim, 22 chars, Sat Aug 4 22:56:00 1990
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animation/characters #73, from tshim, 521 chars, Sat Aug 4 23:03:33 1990
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bcapps, those Animation Festival around the world on PBS hosted by
Jean Marsh were >>great<<. PBS shows filler shorts now (Luxo Jr., some
weird French impressionistic stuff), but alas, they killed poor AFATW.
I also recall ch.13 (WNET, PBS station here in NYC) showing various
international Christmas animation for >six hours a day< in the daytime,
five days a week! And it's all gone, just so we can see Bob Vila put up
a house.
OH well, Sesame St. still has some good stuff, and whateve
happened to Electric co.?
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animation/characters #74, from tshim, 132 chars, Sat Aug 4 23:06:24 1990
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Mike, living in NYC (so do I), have you trekked to the Museum of Cartoon Art
up in Rye, NY, now exhibiting Bugs's 50th Anniversary?
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animation/characters #75, from tshim, 3645 chars, Sat Aug 4 23:53:35 1990
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TITLE: My Introduction
I left something of what shorts I like in 'main,' but here is some more
comprehensive stuff.
I tend to be a fanatic in anything I do. When I was five, I tried to
collect all the Golden Books in existence. When I was eight, I attempted
to corner the market on Richard Scarry books. When I was ten, I tried, in
succession, to watch every Mr. Rogers, and then Electric Co., and then
ZOOM episode on PBS (Sesame Street was when I was around seven). When I was
twelve, I couldn't go to sleep if the New York Yankees lost, and had baseball
research statistics books crushing my shelves even before Bill James became
aware of such things.
By the time I was thirteen, I had amassed every George Lucas-Steven Spielberg
inspired orchestral soundtrack. (I currently have over 200 CDs and LPs of
such obscure titles as "The Boy Who Could Fly," all from 1977-1987. If you're
wondering if there even were 20 such movies a year, a lot of them include
soundtrack compilations.) This had been preceded by hoarding countless
items of Star Wars memorabilia, still threatening to burst out of my
once roomy closet. This included Star Wars comic books, and this led
to almost every Daredevil, Fantastic Four, Batman, Superman, and anything
written by Frank Miller or Alan Moore since 1980. (No, my mom never threw
them out, so they gather dust as I type.) By fifteen, I was obsessed with Apple
computers; this translated into MS-DOS by age 18. This branched into BBSing
about upto 10 hours a week. Around this time, I had just about taped every
Hill Street Blues episode and St. Elsewhere installment. I currently
collect banner headlines from the Times; I have about 50 yellowed papers
on Eastern bloc disintegration from 1989 alone.
So it was only a matter of time before I got into animation.
I'm not sure how things got back to me, as the last time I really
watched old WB's on television was back before 1980, when I was 13.
I really lost touch for the next 8 years, but I think getting TNT
probably did it. Then I purchased the reprinting of "Tex Avery:
King of Cartoons," and I was hooked.
Now, as per my obsessive nature, I have about every clipping and book
on animation published since 1985, and copies of most others printed
before. I consume anything written about the Golden Age of Animation
voraciously, and as someone so succinctly put it elsewhere, I'm truly
a >fan< of WB stuff, although I respect and watch anything from the 30s
to late 50s/early 60s. I'm a nitpicker, and a what-if-'er: What if
Tex Avery stayed at Warners, what if JC Melendez and John Carey and
Manny Gould, and Bobe Cannon, and Frank Tashlin hadn't left, etc.
I found Raymond Scott's "The Toy Trumpet," arr. by Carl Stalling and
performed by the Boston Pops under the conduction of Arthur Fiedler,
recently on a Christmas collection put out by Time-Life, and I've
listened to it about 250 times without growing tired at all. There-
fore, it shouldn't surprise that I'll be locked up in my abode for
a good fortnight while perusing the new Stalling collection just out.
and Warner tapes to public domain stuff (some excellent, others crap),
and hope to get laserdiscs soon of this stuff.
By the way, if anyone is going to Portsmouth, VA, for the last few
days of the Schneider “Art of Warner Bros. Animation” exhibit at the
museum there …
“And now, having re-reintroduced myself, exit our hero, stage right …
[sings] Oh, I’m headin’ for my beddin’ where I’m beddin’ for the
night … oh I’m headin’ for my beddin’ where I’ll lay down sleep me tight …”
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animation/characters #76, from davemackey, 234 chars, Mon Aug 6 22:03:00 1990
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I don’t think its underwriters wanted to perpetuate repeats, since Sesame
St. was covering much the same ground. But that cast! Bill Cosby, Rita
Moreno, Morgan Freeman, Irene Cara, to name but four.
–Dave
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animation/characters #78, from tshim, 1133 chars, Mon Aug 6 23:35:57 1990
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Irene Cara was there? I don’t recall her.
But yes, Cosby, Moreno, Freeman, and other bit players who weren’t as famous
but almost as good. Amazing that people haven’t connected any of the three,
especially Freeman with his late success, to the Electric Company.
The show had some really great non sequitors too:
(Maudlin chorus): “My Rich Uncle Died … and Left Me All His … MMMMMM–!!!”
And “Feet … feet … feet! I can’t stand those feet, tapping all around!
(tapping sounds audible now) Tap, tap, tap, it’s driving me crazy!
And now’s the time to sing and dance! Here come da Feet!”
“Dee-dee-dee-dee …” (voice by Mel Brooks)
There were many animated sequences, the most notable being new Chuck Jones
Road Runner/Coyote stuff (which was eerie without the music, but nice
animation), and the limited but funny “LetterMan,” narrated by none
other than Joan Rivers.
And of course, A Very Short Book, presenting “Boy and Chair” …
“The Boy is on the Chair.”
“The Chair is in the Room.”
“Will the Boy leave the Chair?”
“Will the Chair leave the Room? — and …”
“What about Naomi? … Tune in next time.”
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animation/characters #79, from davemackey, 358 chars, Wed Aug 8 09:55:53 1990
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Irene Cara was a member of the Short Circus the first season only before
being replaced by Denise Nickerson (spelling?).
There was music in some of those Road Runner segments seen on the E.C.,
which was stock music by Carl Brandt dating back to the 1960’s (Brandt
scored some Tom and Jerry cartoons for Chuck at M-G-M).
–Dave
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animation/characters #81, from tshim, 225 chars, Wed Aug 8 22:06:25 1990
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Wow, how do you get names like Denise Nickerson? Is there some info
available on EC?
I used to have an album with some of the bits from the EC, but have lost it.
Do you (or does anyone) have anything related to the series?
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animation/characters #82, from hmccracken, 257 chars, Fri Aug 10 18:32:13 1990
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I may be going to the Bugs exhibit at the Museum of Cartoon Art one
of these weekends. I’m told it’s excellent, despite having none of
Steve Schneider’s artwork (which is traveling the country in a
different show which has been discussed here).
— Harry
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animation/characters #83, from mscoville, 408 chars, Mon Aug 13 00:58:04 1990
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Sorry, I haven’t been up to the Museum of Cartoon Art. My wife and I have been trying to get there, but due to schedule
s haven’t been able to atend.
We hope to get there in the next month or two. Does anyone have any info
on the place. Rumor had it they were in financial trouble a few years back.
They seem to be doing ok at the present. They have had a number of different
shows over the past year.
Mike
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animation/characters #84, from hmccracken, 195 chars, Mon Aug 13 18:14:11 1990
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Well, my recent letter-to-the-members I got from them said that
attendance was up by some impressive percentage. They are hoping to
move to a larger and more impressive location, too.
— Harry
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animation/characters #85, from tshim, 971 chars, Mon Aug 13 21:50:49 1990
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I don’t think the Bugs exhibit at the Mus. of Cartoon Art
is ending until mid-Sept. (or mid-Oct.?) so you definitely
have time.
It >is< excellent, boasting an enormous amount of non-cel
memorabilia, whereas the Schneider exhibit is mostly cels
and model sheets. The one in Rye, NY, also comprises such
items as toys, coloring books, comic art, and other such
marketing ploys.
The exhibit also includes 96 shorts arranged in six 16-short
cassettes (about 2 hrs. each): Bugs Bunny's Greatest Hits,
Chuck Jones', Friz Freleng's, and Bob Clampett's Greatest Hits,
Bugs and His Greatest Foes, and one other thing I can't think of.
Two are shown simultaneously, one in a big-screen television room
and the other in a cozy den on a regular set.
P.S. I tried to find the talk about the Schneider exhibit, but
couldn't find it, even with search -- can anyone direct me to the
correct topic? (BTW, does anyone know how one >does< search
across topics, if it's even possible?)
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animation/characters #86, from tshim, 1054 chars, Mon Aug 13 21:57:42 1990
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They seem to be doing all right, although the location
(out in the backwoods of no where (sorry Rye-orkians)
surrounded by suburbian properties) leaves something to
be desired insofar as convenience is concerned. They
must have gotten a sizable endowment and support from the
cartoon strip community; their $1-4 suggested donation
(kid, student, adult) is very fair.
They have a very nice permanent exhibit of the best cartoon
artists and art ever, and a section for the Hall of Fame (Ruby
Goldberg Award). Don't be fooled by the size -- a lot of the
artwork is in those folding portfolios usually used to sell
posters. A big Batman replica (life-size) is on display.
Most interesting, though, are the restrooms. In each on the
first floor are actual autographed thumbnail (both literal and
figurative) of the greatest cartoon artists -- Bob Kane, Curt
Swan, Wendy Pini (where's Ron?), and even Chuck Jones. Orphan
Annie's "Leapin' Lizards, I shouldn't even be in here" balloon
in the Mens' Room is only one of the witty characters on the
walls.
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animation/characters #87, from tshim, 198 chars, Mon Aug 13 22:00:33 1990
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The Bugs exhibit has become something of a cash cow
for the museum. Good for them.
As for the move to a new location: What could be bigger
and more impressive than a castle from the 19th century.
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animation/characters #88, from switch, 55 chars, Mon Aug 13 23:42:38 1990
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No way to search across topics, unfortunately...
Emru
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animation/characters #89, from jtrindle, 124 chars, Mon Aug 13 23:58:34 1990
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Try the Index conference, Emru. It will give you EVERYTHING... all
over BIX. I agree, something in between would be nice.
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animation/characters #90, from tshim, 85 chars, Tue Aug 14 00:06:30 1990
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I tried the Index conference, and it doesn't seem to even look inside
BIX animation.
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animation/characters #91, from switch, 176 chars, Tue Aug 14 00:11:06 1990
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Index doesn't quite give you everything... it has to be manually
updated by TPTB, to my understanding. And it seems to be mainly
geared towards technical conferences...
Emru
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animation/characters #92, from richard.pini, 505 chars, Tue Aug 14 09:13:22 1990
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They are, like most similar institutions (witness PBS pledge drives), always
in financial warm water - but unlike some of those similar institutions, they
are, IMO, always worth digging a little deeper for. (I suppose it helps that
Wendy has artwork in the permanent collection.) And I agree with the "what
could be better than a castle..." comment, except that I think it's from
early this century, and was in Ripley's Believe it or Not as the first all-
concrete building in the country (if not world).
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animation/characters #93, from richard.pini, 313 chars, Tue Aug 14 09:16:37 1990
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Ron who?
Wendy is very proud of that women's room drawing - she's the one who got to
"break the ground" as it were. The men's room had been decorated for years,
but since there are so few women cartoonists (relatively), the walls in that
comfort station remained blank until Wendy made her "Hey, us too!" pitch.
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animation/characters #94, from hmccracken, 207 chars, Tue Aug 14 21:42:55 1990
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And they could certainly use a more centrally-located residence: the
Castle, while nice, is in a residential area. The new location in
question, I believe, is in a more touristy, visitable place.
-- Harry
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animation/characters #95, from hmccracken, 466 chars, Tue Aug 14 21:45:21 1990
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This may possibly be fodder for the CBIX session upcoming in Elfquest,
but I find some of the cartoons in the bathroom kind of questionable,
at least considering the large parade of kids that must go in and out.
The off-colored tinge of the place may have something to do with the
Museum's upstairs facilities which are entirely unembellished.
-- Harry
(I'm talking about the men's room: the women cartoonists aren't nearly
as gross, at least as of my last visit.)
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animation/characters #96, from tshim, 345 chars, Tue Aug 14 23:32:38 1990
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TPTB? What's that?
To manually update something like that seems cumbersome. Isn't there
an ability to search things through an automatic algorithm? (Then again,
considering the breadth of Bitnet, a complete search could take hours.
Which still doesn't explain why a conference-specific Search isn't
available -- but life's unfair, I guess.)
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animation/characters #97, from tshim, 182 chars, Tue Aug 14 23:38:00 1990
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Wow, be this the actual co-creator of Elfquest? I'm honored and awed.
(I saw your wife's sketch in the Museum -- kudos.)
Speaking of the castle, what qualifies as "all-concrete"?
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animation/characters #98, from tshim, 277 chars, Tue Aug 14 23:41:27 1990
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Richard. I meant Richard. (Me and my big, selective memory.)
I didn't realize Wendy's was the first. The ladies' room is still sparse,
and that's a shame -- I noticed some crossover, so maybe now with the mens'
room full, the rest can go into fleshing out the other abode.
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animation/characters #99, from tshim, 320 chars, Tue Aug 14 23:44:24 1990
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Seconds to that. The traffic to and from Playland alone would up
the Museum's attendance manyfold, whereas now, you really have to
get out of your way and intend to go there.
Before the Bugs exhibit PR in the press, I didn't even know of its
existence. (Well, marginally, but I definitely didn't know it was
in Rye.)
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animation/characters #100, from tshim, 207 chars, Tue Aug 14 23:47:08 1990
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Hmmm ... I just thought it was a lot of bad puns, many of the racier
ones going over the heads of those who shouldn't understand them.
But how does the low-grade humour follow from the upstairs cleanliness?
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animation/characters #101, from tshim, 54 chars, Wed Aug 15 00:16:18 1990
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Speaking of Wendy -- why isn't >she< here more often?
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animation/characters #102, from tom.white, 252 chars, Wed Aug 15 01:30:02 1990
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I used to work in White Plains, and a couple of times tried to find
the Cartoon Museum in Rye (or is it Rye Brook?). Never could
nail down the location. That they weren't open on Saturdays
didn't help any (why would a place close on Saturday?!?!?).
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animation/characters #103, from hmccracken, 188 chars, Wed Aug 15 07:00:40 1990
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Just that it looks like they maintain one bathroom with no cartoons
at all on purpose, for those who might not want their kids seeing
the downstairs one. Conjecture on my part.
-- Harry
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animation/characters #104, from richard.pini, 578 chars, Wed Aug 15 12:44:22 1990
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I suspect not, since I've never heard anyone on the staff make any mention
of a policy, or whatever, or give any warning to parents of kids that they
might want to avoid the downstairs loos. I think it more likely that the
segregation is just a matter of tradition by this time. (So who knows, as I
type these words someone might be doodling in the upstairs bathroom.) And
though it's been a while since I've visited there, I can't recall anything
really racier than the doo-doo humor that seems to abound these days in movies
and on cable TV (less than R-rated stuff, I mean).
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animation/characters #105, from richard.pini, 213 chars, Wed Aug 15 12:46:03 1990
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Did you mean fleshing, or flushing...? (Or is *that* what they mean when
they say that someone is flushed with success?)
's OK. I've been Robert. I've been Ron. I've even been Ralph. We're getting
used to it.
🙂
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animation/characters #106, from richard.pini, 333 chars, Wed Aug 15 12:48:06 1990
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She's got her own Mac which she uses almost exclusively for word processing.
We've had a couple of cbix sessions in elfquest where she's been here sharing
the keyboard - but the everyday nature of logging on for posts, etc. is a
routine she's not into. I will continue to be an impartial reporter for the
other half of Warp, though!
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animation/characters #107, from richard.pini, 20 chars, Wed Aug 15 12:48:26 1990
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The Powers That Be.
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animation/characters #108, from richard.pini, 457 chars, Wed Aug 15 12:52:59 1990
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This be!
As I understand it (and better
exception of horizontal stuctural members (ceiling/floor joists) it's
concrete down to and including the framework. Reinforced? Would have to be,
no?
(Unfortunately, the one person I could have called, who as a close contact
down there, was convicted some months back of stealing some tens of thousands
of dollars worth of original art. Sigh. And he set up some really nice
guest appearances for us before that...)
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animation/characters #109, from tshim, 225 chars, Thu Aug 16 00:17:26 1990
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That's really sh--ty. Holy cow, who can you trust ... then again,
seeing millions of dollars of artifacts may do something to the weaker
sides of us.
(Part of your reply was a munched up there, but I got the gist, thanks.)
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animation/characters #110, from tshim, 282 chars, Thu Aug 16 00:21:21 1990
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The Museum is technically in Rye Brook, which is confused not only
with Rye but also with neighboring Portchester. My cab driver didn't
know where it was at all, since you make about five turns to get there.
Coming from NYC, it's a simple drive until you get into the local roads.
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animation/characters #111, from tshim, 68 chars, Thu Aug 16 00:22:42 1990
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animation/characters #112, from drtoon, 864 chars, Tue Feb 5 00:39:51 1991
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TITLE: New Member
Hello everyone. My name is Doug Ranney and I’m the guy behind the Whole
>Toon Catalog. Harry suggested I join you all, and I must say it’s interesting
>scanning all this toon talk. I’ll probably be checking in a couple of times a
>week. If I see any questions I can help with, I’ll leave messages in the
>various conferences, or you can leave me some mail.
>I’m basically an animation nut like yourselves, so I hope you don’t peg me as
>a mercenary businessman type (ie Terry Thoren). I can contribute quite a bit
>towards general resear*G,{ch questions as well as (obviously) questions
pertain
ing
>to the marketplace. In the last 3 years Whole Toon has collected quite a lot
of
>information from our customers and our vendors, so we’ve become a bit of an
>information exchange as well as a source for merchandise.
>i}OSee you all around.
>..
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animation/characters #113, from bsoron, 160 chars, Tue Feb 5 00:48:37 1991
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Welcome aboard, Doug. Only severe doses of reality (administered too
damn often 🙂 have prevented me from calling you and ordering one of
everything to go.
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animation/characters #114, from hmccracken, 26 chars, Tue Feb 5 03:38:11 1991
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Welcome, Doug!
— Harry
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animation/characters #115, from switch, 21 chars, Tue Feb 5 11:54:55 1991
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Welcome, Doug!
Emru
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animation/characters #116, from davemackey, 548 chars, Tue Feb 5 19:05:42 1991
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Hi, Doug, and welcome to the looney bin. We’re all intimately
familiar with your catalogue here, and we won’t discount your
knowledge of what’s on tape and what isn’t for a second. But I
will offer up a question.
I notice that EP- (or SLP-) mode tapes have begun to flood
the market, from low-echelon PD distributors. Even the biggies
like Hanna-Barbera have gotten into the act. Given this
knowledge, is Whole Toon holding fast to its established doctrine
to offer only tapes recorded at the SP speed?
–Dave
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animation/characters #117, from mscoville, 211 chars, Wed Feb 6 00:14:48 1991
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Welcome Doug,
It is a pleasure to have one of the nice people of the industry on the Bix.
You have a great company with great service. It is good to see you finally
got to the old computer and called. mscoville
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animation/characters #118, from drtoon, 971 chars, Thu Feb 7 22:24:47 1991
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Hi Dave.
Our stand on EP tapes remains the same as outlined in the Winter
catalog. We will ignore EP tapes UNLESS they contain material that can’t
be found on an SP tape. We will always indicate that a tape is EP. Sometimes
we aren’t aware that a tape is EP, though, so if you happen to get one that
we missed, you can certainly return it.
There certainly is a lot of schlock turning up lately. Most of the cheapo
EP cartoon collections contain the same assortment of PD material
that everyone else has. But now and then we run across a schlocko tape
that contains a short not found anywhere else. For instance, the Shokus Video
tapes (SP by the way) are uniformly awful quality, but one of them contains
“Porky in Wackyland” which I’ve never seen on another tape. Why
MGM doesn’t put it out I don’t know.
Generally, we put everything we know about a tape into the catalog listing. Since
we carry over 1500 titles, we can’t review each one, but we do our best.
–Doug
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animation/characters #119, from hmccracken, 107 chars, Thu Feb 7 23:38:06 1991
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Are there many tapes now in *SLP* format, Doug? I understand
that the new Underdog tapes are…
— Harry
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animation/characters #120, from switch, 37 chars, Fri Feb 8 13:51:47 1991
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SLP and EP are the same thing.
Emru
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animation/characters #121, from hmccracken, 101 chars, Fri Feb 8 18:13:44 1991
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Whoops, I can never remember what’s what…What’s the middle
(4-hour) speed? Is that LP?
— Harry
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animation/characters #122, from rcrook, 49 chars, Fri Feb 8 20:37:43 1991
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SP = 2hrs; LP = 4 hrs; EP = 6 hrs
= Argosy =
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animation/characters #123, from sje, 1271 chars, Fri Feb 8 22:25:26 1991
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The reason that VCRs use SLP to stand for extended play (six hours)
is that it is easier to make a LED/LCD display with only the three characters
“S”, “L”, and “P” than to have one with three pairs of characters “SP”, “LP,
and “EP”.
I have seen some new VHS blank tapes that allow for eight hours’ play
at EP speeds. Personally, every EP recorded tape I have seen is awful. I
purchased the Starmaker 1989 release of the 1978 anime hour long version of
_The Little Mermaid_ (the one shamelessly re-released to coincide with
Disney’s version’s marketing campaign). When I opened the box my first
impression was that the cassette must have been defective because there was
only a little tiny bit of videotape visible on the internal supply reel.
After I inserted it into my VCR, I saw the “SLP” light up for the very first
time. The picture quality was atrocious. I spent five minutes just fooling
around with the tracking control to try to fix the picture. After five more
minutes of viewing, I started looking at my watch to see how much longer I
had to wait until the video was over. The audio was also pretty bad,
particularly in the high frequency range.
Well, now I’ve bought a laserdisc player, so I don’t worry about
such things much any more. — Steve
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animation/characters #124, from rjenks, 1379 chars, Fri Feb 8 23:06:28 1991
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From knowing a little about the internals of VHS recorders I know that LP
(4 hr) mode is actually worse than EP(SLP 6 hr). LP mode was never intended
to be implemented, the original VHS VTR’s only had SP & SLP. The manuafactures
recieved hundreds of requests and complaints that they wanted/needed a mode
in between the two original standards. To add this they had to do some tricky
adjustments in head alignment and speed. That is why to this day all pro VHS
recorders do not support 4 hr speed. From the manufacturers reports I have
seen, the Video quality is slightly better in LP than EP, but the audio is
approx 2 to 5 TIMES worse. (a frist generation LP audio signal would compare
to a 3rd to 6th generation EP audio signal!) This is why I have and always will
stay away from LP.
Please note that the standard video tape recording times are as follows:
T-120 tape = SP 2 hours or 120 minutes
LP 4 hours or 240 minutes
EP/SLP 6 hours or 360 minutes
T-160 tape = SP 2 2/3 hours or 160 minutes
LP 5 1/3 hours or 320 minutes
EP/SLP 8 hours or 480 minutes
Most manufacturers also make T-10’s, T-20’s, T-30’s, T-45’s, T-60’s and T-90’s
Although these are usualy only available to the pro’s.
Hope this helps,
-Robert Jenks
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animation/characters #125, from davemackey, 196 chars, Sat Feb 9 08:52:43 1991
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I know why M-G-M doesn’t put out “Porky In Wackyland.” Because
they don’t have the rights to it! Like all B/W cartoons, Warner
Bros. owns the rights to it.
–Dave
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animation/characters #126, from grekel, 294 chars, Sun Feb 10 16:16:12 1991
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re. varied-length VHS’s…
My production company buys VHS’s in T-5’s and T-15’s as well.
Anything to save a few pennies — why dub a :30 spot onto a T-30 or even a
T-15 or T-10 when you only use 2 minutes max? All the client wants is
something he or she can take home to show their S.O.! 😉
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animation/characters #127, from rjenks, 55 chars, Sun Feb 10 20:15:45 1991
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Forgot about those. I havn’t ordered pro’s in a while.
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animation/characters #128, from bferg, 411 chars, Tue May 7 21:28:05 1991
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TITLE: New Character
HI, I am Barbara and am here because I have liked cartoons
since I was old enough to remember. Weaned on Saturday
morning variety “toons,” I have never lost my love for
them. I am like a kid when it comes to animation! It
is nice, too, that my husband is a cartoon fanatic with
an extensive collection of toons on videotape! Good to
meet everyone here!
“That’s all Folks!”
Barbara
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animation/characters #129, from davemackey, 471 chars, Wed May 8 00:11:13 1991
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Welcome, Barbara, and hopefully that’ll not be “all, folks” as far as you’re
concerned. Don’t be afraid to jump in with thoughts, comments, whatever. Just
like the “Sabado Gigante” home game, participation is everything.
Incidentally, modesty prevented Barbara from mentioning that she is also
the Moderator of the town.square conference, and she and her husband Doug
(dferg) are both contributors to the Elfquest conference.
–Dave
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animation/characters #130, from bferg, 127 chars, Wed May 8 07:00:16 1991
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Do not fail to mention that I am a moderator of food conference
as well and active in the role playing conferences.
Barbara
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animation/characters #131, from hmccracken, 189 chars, Wed May 8 09:04:13 1991
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Welcome, Barbara! If I had known about your and Doug’s cartoon interest
I would have sneaked subliminal messages into the Elfquest conference
inviting you over here ages ago…
— Harry
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animation/characters #132, from bferg, 125 chars, Wed May 8 18:29:41 1991
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Thanks, Harry, glad to be here, tis fun! Subliminal messages,
huh?? Let me know how you do that here on Bix!
😉
Barbara
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animation/characters #133, from davemackey, 64 chars, Wed May 8 19:11:13 1991
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So much for modesty. 😉
–Dave
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animation/characters #134, from bferg, 111 chars, Wed May 8 20:16:28 1991
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OK, so I am not modest! 😉 If you want to know more, just
check my res. If not, its up to YOU!
😉
Barbara
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animation/characters #135, from davemackey, 114 chars, Wed May 8 22:09:58 1991
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I do it the same way I did it on Compu$erve: FNORD FNORD FNORD FNORD.. 😉
–Dave
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animation/characters #136, from hmccracken, 134 chars, Wed May 8 23:15:35 1991
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If I told you, Barbara, they wouldn’t be subliminal anymore…
j o i n t h e a n i m a t i o n c o n f e r e n c e
— Harry
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animation/characters #137, from bferg, 14 chars, Thu May 9 01:02:36 1991
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LOL!
Barbara
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animation/characters #138, from bferg, 149 chars, Thu May 9 16:52:01 1991
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I could understand (join) that subliminal messages are really
~r(animation) a pigment of our (conference) imagination! Is that
right??
😉
Barbara
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animation/characters #139, from t.kelly, 172 chars, Thu May 9 21:10:24 1991
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I have this sudden inexplicable urge to join this conference. it is a very
strange feeling. Well, whatever the reason…..here I am.
I may not be sure why, though. 😉
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animation/characters #140, from davemackey, 257 chars, Fri May 10 00:15:48 1991
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That’s quite all right, Tia. We all have our weak moments. Nevertheless,
welcome to the animation area. Feel free to ask any questions you may have,
and remember that this is an exhibition…. please, no wagering. 😉
–Dave
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animation/characters #141, from dferg, 1462 chars, Fri May 10 19:52:24 1991
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Why I’m So Looney Toony…
Well, as Barbara has mentioned, I am a collector. My interests circle around
the classics (prior to 1950, and especially the War Years and the heyday of
zaniness) from Warners, Popeye from Fleischer in black and white, and a good
bit of the early MGM output. I have a fondness for the animation that was
children’s television from 1958 or so, onward through the age of George of the
Jungle. As with many of us, the characters in these toons were my heroes.
They still are, in fact.
I find cartoon violence extremely funny, perhaps because I am basically a
pacifistic person and find my personal unconscious tickeled by harmless mayhem
(Toons are not masochists – pain just doesn’t register the same way with
them), and Avery’s and Clampett’s work always gives me a giggle.
The recent renaissance of classic looney toonery has made me a happy person,
and I smile as the greats of the past finally receive the respect due their
artistry. It’s as if Popeye and Bugs are looking up from their cels with arms
crossed and saying in unison, “It’s about time!”
I work in computer graphics on the Macintosh, and do a bit of still cartooning
myself. I dabble at slow, limited animation in HyperCard when the time
presents itself. If I get any character animation examples together to
upload, I’ll be certain to leave a pointer to them.
Fond greetings and a bad case of Acme (it’s a gasser!!) to all of you 😉
-Doug
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animation/characters #142, from hmccracken, 119 chars, Fri May 10 20:46:56 1991
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Welcome, Doug! Your taste is excellent. I’m sure we’d be
interested in seeing some of your Mac animations.
— Harry
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animation/characters #143, from davemackey, 224 chars, Sun May 12 07:29:22 1991
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Doug, I’m sure you will forgive my belated official welcome. You may jump in
at any time with comments, observations, something you’ve seen, even
questions about the cartoons of yore.
–Dave
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animation/characters #144, from bmaguire, 286 chars, Mon May 13 08:12:02 1991
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TITLE: Hate those meeses…
A friend of mine has been torturing everyone at his work by asking what
character originated the line “I hate those meeses to pieces!” My guess
is one of the Hanna-Barbara characters from the early ’60s, but darned if
I can remember who. Any ideas?
-Brian
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animation/characters #145, from hmccracken, 228 chars, Mon May 13 09:16:38 1991
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The torture should end shortly when you tell your friend that it was
Mr. Jinks who uttered those words. He was speaking of Pixie and Dixie.
(You were right, of course: they were early 1960s Hanna-Barbera
characters.)
— Harry
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animation/characters #146, from bmaguire, 68 chars, Mon May 13 09:42:27 1991
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Thanks! I’m sure office productivity will rise immediately!
-Brian
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animation/characters #147, from richard.pini, 336 chars, Sun May 19 09:24:18 1991
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Excluding the obvious and easy way of
Loading subliminals into posts
For the sole purpose of getting people
Quite interested in other conferences, I
Understand that there are a number of ways of
Editing posts and other messages here on line
So that the message comes across in such a way
That is subtle, unobtrusive, and yet effective.
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animation/characters #148, from davemackey, 94 chars, Sun May 19 12:37:23 1991
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Lots of idle time over there in Germany, eh, Richard?
–Dave
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animation/characters #149, from hmccracken, 531 chars, Sun May 19 15:07:20 1991
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Well, Richard, I’ve heard that a well-known
Animation studio has been experimenting
Lately with brainwashing techniques on cartoon fans
To subliminally force them to promote the studio’s films.
Darned if I know how they could do that, though —
It would be pretty tough to find cartoon fans who were
Stupid and impressionable enough to fall for that,
Now, wouldn’t it? At least I know that I’d never,
Every fall for that sort of thing, although some of
You should be wary of falling under this studio’s spell…
— Harry
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animation/characters #150, from bferg, 36 chars, Sun May 19 18:17:15 1991
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Clever, very clever…
😉
Barbara
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animation/characters #151, from bferg, 48 chars, Sun May 19 18:18:09 1991
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Clever, as I said, very clever….
😉
Barbara
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animation/characters #152, from richard.pini, 45 chars, Wed May 22 12:16:24 1991
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Why whatever do you mean???? ::blink blink::
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animation/characters #153, from richard.pini, 65 chars, Wed May 22 12:17:04 1991
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Why do I suddenly feel as if the world is a wonderland of color?
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animation/characters #154, from dopheim, 202 chars, Sun Jun 2 21:02:01 1991
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TITLE: I don’t think we’ve been introduced…
My Name is Daniel Opheim, I’m 23 years old,
Love to collect freebies, and work at Production Servicies.
My Interest in Animation is sniffing out scandals.
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animation/characters #155, from hmccracken, 184 chars, Sun Jun 2 21:55:38 1991
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Welcome, Dan — or, since I know I’ve seen you around these
parts before, thanks for formally introducing yourself.
What kind of scandals are you interested in sniffing
out?
— Harry
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Well, we officially welcome you aboard, Daniel, and we have noticed your
quite unique posts both here and in Elfquest for many months now.
–Dave
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animation/characters #157, from dano, 150 chars, Sun Feb 28 21:24:48 1993
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TITLE: Hi
BIXNAME: Dano
REGULAR NAME: Daniel Opheim
BIXEN FOR: Don’t know the exact number, but it was a lot of years.
INTERESTS: To Rock, Toon News.
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animation/characters #158, from hmccracken, 324 chars, Mon Oct 11 00:21:15 1993
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TITLE: Cast of Characters
This topic, which has been dormant for a long while, is a place for new
conference members to introduce themselves and talk a bit about their
interests in animation. I think we have a lot of participants who
haven’t done so — it’s certainly not obligatory, but feel free to speak up!
— Harry
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animation/characters #159, from kipw, 1039 chars, Wed Jan 12 00:15:22 1994
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TITLE: Hi, Gang!
I’ve been asked to say a word or two about myself, by way of introduction.
My name is Kip Williams, and I am an animaholic. There, I’ve said it. I think
the earliest cartoons I can recall were probably _Scrappy_s from the 1930s.
I was disillusioned at an early age when I went on a local kid show and
didn’t get to see Felix the Cat in person: came toon time, they rolled out
a lousy TV set. Black and White, even. I’m 37 now, and slightly wiser.
Along the way, I learned to play the piano, acted in community theatre for
about 13 years, wrote a million words or so in Amateur Press Associations,
wore silly hats, and got a moderately fulfilling job as a art-ist, doing ads
and like that for a local company. I like weird cartoons, especially the
ones that don’t know they’re weird. Also lots of mainstream stuff–the last
couple of years have been strange, in that TV shows I liked have become
popular and didn’t get cancelled. But enough about me. Who the heck are you?
–Kip
(We off? Good; that oughtta hold the…)
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animation/characters #160, from elfhive, 82 chars, Thu Jan 13 00:01:59 1994
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You forgot to mention that you were powerless before your addiction to
animation.
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animation/characters #161, from hmccracken, 46 chars, Thu Jan 13 00:20:13 1994
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That’s taken for granted here, Elf.
— Harry
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animation/characters #162, from elfhive, 269 chars, Thu Jan 13 00:24:23 1994
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What animaholics fail to realize, in many cases, is that they are now
power*ful* after realizing their addiction. A little known by-product
of an interest in breathing life into inanimate objects.
It’s always been clear to me that the best part of reality is fantasy.
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animation/characters #163, from switch, 367 chars, Thu Jan 13 01:10:04 1994
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Someone recently asked me why I prefer creating animation rather than live-
action film. I said, “Because you have absolute control over exactly where
everything is, and how long every action takes.” They said, “Oh, time and
space.”
Being the closet megalomaniac I am, I realized that being an animator makes
me the Master of Time and Space. Muahahahahaha!
Emru
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animation/characters #164, from nicolas, 296 chars, Thu Jan 13 02:48:20 1994
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> Being the closet megalomaniac I am, I realized that being an
> animator makes me the Master of Time and Space. Muahahahahaha!
Yes, but in eeny, bitty living space 🙂
(at least that is what I remember that the Genie said in Aladdin)
loved that metaphore.
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. Nico .
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animation/characters #165, from switch, 40 chars, Thu Jan 13 12:54:26 1994
This is a comment to message 164.
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My room’s gotten bigger.
Really.
Emru
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animation/characters #166, from davemackey, 109 chars, Mon Jan 17 19:23:38 1994
This is a comment to message 163.
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“Master Of Time And Space”? Better not use that as a title; Jittlov may sue.
–Dave
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animation/characters #167, from switch, 46 chars, Tue Jan 18 09:58:28 1994
This is a comment to message 166.
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Naw, Jittlov’s just got Speed and Time.
Emru